/evn/ - Ever been inside a tank?

Also
http://strawpoll.me/7023262

>>134797964
Oh for fuck's sake, we did new threads at the same time. Let's stay on this one.

>>134784614
People with tighter budgets do that a lot.

>>134798295
Damn, and I made sure to refresh just before posting mine, "just in case". Let's just have them battle to death and see which one survives.

>>134798673
I did so too. If you're the fujo who said we're soulmates last thread, this is getting too Julia Roberts movie for me.

>>134799169
Sorry, I'm not. But I can be your friend, anon!

>>134799234
>Are you OK with any kind of game?
Yep, I do use aliases with 18+ stuff, though. Want to avoid associating the main one with porn-related Google searches if possible (and
SEX and VIOLENCE with MACHSPEED sure didn't help with that).

> game site tweets about my game
> call it "graphic novel"

that doesn't mean what they think it means.

>>134800246
Mine have been repeatedly called light novels.

Are those RenPy slave training games considered VNs?

I had an idea to make one game like that but I'm more confortable with C#. I think I'll have to do it in Unity.

Damn, why there were two threads.

>>134799983
Awesome, my game is not lewd though...I think.

This thread is going to die...

>>134798026
>there are females here

how?

>>134805160
Not on my 3rd-world watch.

ALLAHU AKBAR

Wha happeningn?

>>134811315
Our 1st world brothers are asleep.

>>134811454
From whence do you hail, my third-world comrade?

>>134811584
Canada

>>134811584
Terrorland, Southern Flipland, comrade.

>>134811778
It's okay Canada. I'm sure all those "I'm moving to Canada if Trump wins" guys should feed your economy back to first-world status.

>>134805305
We're all little girls here;)

What EVN should I masturbate to today?

>>134814298
I Fucked Your Mom While You Were Inside Her Womb Demo Version 0.5

>>134814673
I didn't know my dad wrote VNs

>1am
>everyone is sleeping
Time to draw the lewd CGs

>>134814972
He also regularly whored himself, to pay for your vietnamese coloring book you fap to.

>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/57909428/chusingura46-1-a-visual-novel-with-moe-samurai-gir/
Is this a great how not to run a kickstarter example?

>>134816094
>dat art
>dat presentation
>$210K

No way Jose.

>>134816094
who needs 210k dollars for a VN? They can't be that hard to produce.

I could probably make one just with this laptop and a google image search for "Generic anime girl"

>>134816537
That KS seems to be for translating the VN in question.

(Your point still stands, though. 210k is ludicrous.)

>>134816537
>>134817897
they probably thought they'd pull another scam, like sekai did with clannad.

>>134818736
going to enjoy watching them crash and burn

SEKAI DE

>>134816094
They'd have a hard time pulling off a fraction of that. People are too used to VNs being translated for free by fans, and I've never even heard of this one.

>>134807762
DEUS VULT

VN about girl scout cookies

>>134830825
I wanna date a thin mint!

>>134831306
I want to abuse her and tell her she tastes like a urinal cake

>>134814298
Me

http://www.winterwolves.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3813

WinterWolves poll: "Why you didn't buy PSCD ?"

>>134837483
He just hits the new levels of low.

>>134837563
He should have put a multiple choice option.

>>134837483
Now I'm really depressed.

>>134837483
topic title does sound a tad accusatory

>>134837483
There should be a "Nothing about it is interesting" option

>>134837483
>singling people out for the art or writing


my sympathy is gone. also he didnt shill this anywhere. the actual release was happening days before he made one tweet about it and i had to double-check to see if it was actually out.

>>134838620
Those are pretty important aspects of a vn. What else is he supposed to do, pretend they're inconsequential and leave them out of the poll? Considering most people seem to take issue with the art, that'd be a pretty stupid thing to do.

>>134838620
>thinking it's considered "singling someone out" for putting art on a poll about a game that bombed

Do you realize how dumb that sounds? It's not even saying "the art is bad", it's just a style that's not marketable and his fanbase is not interested in.

>>134838759
yeah but who made the decision to hire those people? not like the artist forced WW to put his art into the game.

the reality is that
>>134838190
>>134837623
are the real answers.

>>134839163
It doesn't matter how the art got there or who's to blame for picking that artist. All that matters is that it is there and it's a significant reason why people didn't give it a chance. That's not blaming the artist, it's just an unfortunate reality that needs to be addressed so that the same mistake isn't repeated next time.
But yes, an uninteresting option should've been included as well.

Should one with that art style expect to win against moe/anime art games?

>>134839163
to expand on this, what is this game even about? it offers an impressive 8 love interests and yet

>Planet Stronghold: Colonial Defense brings you back in time in the early settlement days of the Planet Stronghold colony.

>By a bizarre coincidence, two captains, two siblings, get stuck in the same colony: Alex and Diana Nelson. Take control of one of them, and discover the mysteries and the dangers of Planet Stronghold, and the personalities of the various characters of your team.

>The game features a big card-collectible gameplay part, easy to learn but hard to master. Upgradable cards brings even more replayability, especially at higher difficulty levels.

>For those looking forward more to the story and visual novel/dating sim aspect, you can play the game in "Visual Novel Mode" and enjoy the game dialogues and the beautiful painted artwork style: there are eight characters to befriend, and if you play your cards right, romance!

is the description. where is the reason to play this game if im not into card battles, which he has included a story mode to skip completely? what mystery and dangers? what characters can i fuck?

>>134839434
in my experience games do not bomb for one single issue a clusterfuck of several is usually the problem, so this poll asking to pick one is dumb. i am in complete agreement that the art is an eyesore.


this is all conjecture though. for all we know WW made a decent amount with this release and was not happy with it for reasons.

> people thinking it wasn't the art

People, WW knows very well (as people have told him so) that his players like his game for the romance first, everything else second. You could have the most interesting game in the world but if your players want to date robots and space marines and yet you make them ugly, they aren't going to buy the game.

>>134837483
>Why you didn't buy PSCD
The story seems boring, I don't care about the TCG portion, the art is unappealing, and the waifus do nothing for me.

Not that I'm going to register to tell him that but who knows, he might read /vg/ or somebody from here might browse his forums.

>>134837483
>I don't like art style
>50%
Only few total votes yet but lel.

>>134841847
Well, I guess it's at least easier to salvage than bad writing.

>>134838620
His lack of advertising aside, the game is tagged visual novel, but isn't showing up on the visual novel list. Not sure if the other tags are effected to. It would make it harder for interested parties to find. Did he break its visibility by putting a release date that was in January?

>>134837483
>WinterWolves
> I will discover it soon once I officially release C14 Dating
Well, the good news about C14 Dating is one of the minigames is actually fun because they simply copied Mario's Picross, and the art will probably not make people go wtf the whole time.

The bad news is the writing is pretty bland but it seems that hasn't stopped his older games from being successful.

Random question: Does an actual theme song for them game increase revenue by so much it's actually a sound business decision to get one?

I'm busy writing, so please don't die.

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>finally starting to add animation
>renpy.show()
>suddenly what if skill is AOE
>;_;

>>134846686
What are you even trying to do?

>>134846929
A generic screen language-based battle engine for my projects' minigames...

If I make a NaNoRenO-length vn, use stock music and BGs, publish it on Steam with Sekai Project, would I be a scumbag to charge $5 for it? I'm doing it anyway if Sekai accepts.

>>134847010
hi NewWestGames

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Post progress, achieve singularity.

>>134847518
You call 10 min of work a progress ?

>>134847196
Literally who?

>>134847604
We don't shit on each others progress here, fuck off.

>>134847010
> stock
> charging

I mean, go for it, but I wouldn't buy it for a dollar.

>>134847768
There's nothing wrong with charging for a game with stock music in it nor will people who buy it feel cheated if they find out.

>>134847768
Only for BG and music, which are background elements anyway. It's not like they'll be shit, maybe generic. At least they're at a certain level of quality. I'm focused on paying for sprites and CG.

>>134847768
>give artist a reference image/song
>end result looks/sounds very similar to reference image/song
So, why not save money and just use the reference?

Even if something costs money, that doesn't make it better. /evn/ has complained before when custom assets looked/sounded like they're stock?

>>134848817
>end result looks/sounds very similar to reference image/song
While I agree something costing money doesn't mean it's better, you'd have to have picked a very bad artist to get a result like that.

>>134849084
>you'd have to have picked a very bad artist to get a result like that
Welcome to LSF.

Anyone know an anime-style artist that can draw guys, doesn't make girls have turbo tits, doesn't disappear, isn't a snail at getting working done, and doesn't cost $500 per CG? I was thinking of something like Doomfest's artstyle.

>>134847765
WW is that you ?

>>134848817
maybe because your reference is expensive? for example, if I tell them I like the sound of "bad romance" a song with a similar beat will be much more cheaper than buying a liscence grom gaga.

> https://twitter.com/pcmacgames/status/708318078946377730
> seems I forgot to add in the poll "I want to buy #PSCD but too many other good games came out recently and my wallet is currently empty" :P
i'm getting secondhand embarrassment. nothing new has come out recently aside from sunrider LD.

>>134849560
uh, anon, people buy other genres too.

>>134849560
C14 dating should do much better for him if he markets it well and posts the Steam launch date as its release date.

Its art's okay and it focuses on the dating aspect, which is what WW's fans want.

>>134849560
Who only buys EVNs?

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>>134849383
>isn't a snail
What'd we ever do to you?!

>>134849560
Attention-whoring really doesn't suit a man.

>>134850493
At first I thought they were making out, then they ate them.

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>>134847518
Now working on AI (just RNG, really) for my battle engine lol.

>>134849560
If you read the thread, you would have noticed that's an actual reason a couple people gave.

>>134850669
have you met someone in marketing, ever?

he's just chatty, he's nowhere near an attention whore

>>134851142
I worked in marketing 8 years. That isn't marketing, it's attention-whoring. Marketing implies he'd try to get attention from non-consumers by presenting the product as something interesting. What he's doing is crying over not selling to his own fanbase about what he cannot accept is just an unappealing product in a very teenage "no one understands" manner.

>>134851692
His product bombed hard and he's trying understand why. Cut him some slack.

>>134851054
when isnt something new coming out? if you are afraid to release when a AAA shooter is out you will have no release at all.

>I'll need to make some fanservice game for $9.99 !!

very scary with his taste in art.

>>134851978
>Cut him some slack
why? that anon was spot-on. WW is also making ridiculous logic leaps not exactly trying to understand, per say.

I think my NaNo artist is going to flake on me.

Actually I think they already have, it's just not official yet.

>>134851978
I'm cutting him some slack by not talking directly to him, as it could come across as cruel; however, it won't stop me from being honest here, as we usually discuss retarded public behavior on a regular basis and never pull punches.

>>134852360
I think the poll on his forum is okay for returning customers. Nowhere near perfect but decent enough for people who actually bother to read his forums regularly.

People who don't fall into that category will just think it's pathetic.

He should have kept it to his forums, or his mailing list, if he has one. Twitter feels way too public.

>>134852617
What makes you think so? Are they being paid?

>>134853006
>paying for assets for a game jam

>>134853536
>expecting people to work for free

>>134853770
Inviting people to take part in a jam for fun is not quite the same thing as expecting people to work for free generally.

On the other hand you can't be too surprised or upset if they discover that it's not fun and fuck off.

Cupid was rated M by the ESRB.

>Fantasy Violence
>Sexual Violence
>Blood and Gore
>Sexual Themes
>Language
>Partial Nudity
>Animated Blood
>Strong Sexual Content

http://store.steampowered.com/app/421670/

>>134849534
No. I don't get why you would randomly attack some dudes artwork under the pretense of what constitutes as progress. Very few people here actually post progress, shit posts such as yours discourage them even further. Are you new to this general?

>>134853960
What a surprise?

>>134854130
I don't think the game has 'strong sexual content', but why bother getting a free game on Steam rated? Unless they wanted someone else to come up with the list of trigger warnings for them.

>>134853960
the only things that got it that score was the one sex scene. its a really tame vn, imo.

>>134854239
Rape isn't strong sexual content?

>>134854630
It didn't happen onscreen,so not in my opinion.

>>134853960
was it ACTUALLY, or are they using the ESRB rating fraudulently? (which is quite common on Steam)

>>134854125
If you can't handle a bit of critique you can just fuck off. What do you want a hug? A pat on the back? If you can't handle criticism take your shitty art and go fuck yourself.

Page 10.

I've only wrote 1k words so far today, doing a lot of restructuring right now for the purpose of constructing a demo.

>>134860704
How is that a critique? I'm not that artist by the way, just someone who wants this general to not be dead all the time.

I'm planning to make a game inspired by Juniper's Knot.

>>134861159
Maybe you should post something on your own then instead of stirring shit.

>>134861265
You didn't answer my question, how is that a critique?

So you think I'm stirring shit by defending someone who is actually posting their art? They appear to be a good artist and their progress, which clearly is progress by the way, is welcome in this thread.

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>>134862054
Cute.

>>134861780
>You didn't answer my question, how is that a critique?
Pretty sure they're just shitposting.

>>134862054
Cute!

>>134862054
I like how you colour hair.

>>134860704
That was not a critique, that was shitposting against one of the few actually significant posts in this thread. Who rammed that stick up your ass?

>>134862054
the design is really cute, but it looks.

>>134863334
* like she has no neck.

>>134851692
Marketing could very well be the formal definition of attention-whoring.

> http://www.winterwolves.net/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3814

the ride never ends.

>>134865612
Why he never learns? How can any1 be so dumb ?

>>134865612
Those poll options.

>>134865612
>Huzzah! it's magnificent and I totally would buy this game NOW
>Meh, I don't like anything that is not manga, sob sob
>I am neutral to the art (the undecided option)
Truly great options.

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>>134865612
so... can't he seriously tell that this style is really unappealing?

>>134865612
He knows perfectly well that there is the possibility of "I like non-manga art but that artist is shit", but chooses not to put it on the list of options.

>>134864340
Marketing sells. Crying about not selling does nothing but make you look like a loser.

>>134865983
yep.

>>134865612
That style feels like it's just too close to the uncanny valley. All too often it crosses that line in certain areas or character and makes things look really unappealing.

Getting angry at your own following (the ones who care to frequent your forums, no less) for not mindlessly buying your game is pretty pathetic.

>>134865612
>no 'this artist is shit' option

Nepotism is a double edge sword.

>>134865838
These would've been commissioned well in advance I'm sure. He's stuck with that investment.

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>>134865973
jfc

>>134866409
Politely asking if there's a specific reason why you're not interested is the same as getting enraged at you about it? See, this is why men have so much trouble talking to you.

>>134866443
If the art is bad enough you can always decide to replace it, even at the very end of development. See also: Black Closet.

>>134866838
if you think thay being passive agressive is the same as being polite, you may have a problem with social interaction.

>>134866838
>Politely asking
>Meh, I don't like anything that is not manga, sob sob

>>134866838
There's a better way to approach your fans and potential customer.
Asking them why they don't want to buy your game is not one of them.

>>134866838
Are you him or do you work for him? No one here seems to agree with you.

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sob sob

>>134867198
I meant the other one. That one reads like "terrible attempt at humor". Which still isn't the same as being angry.

>>134865986
I wasn't really trying to make a statement about this situation, but I think this guy could be taking things much worse. Does he seem to be dodging around the real issue? Yeah. Especially now that he's shown this new art by the same artist, which means he's either stuck with it or wastes the time and money he put into them by going with someone else.
Is he crying about it? No, nor is he blaming the artist or his fanbase for the game failing. If he were, that would be a good reason to sit back and laugh or insult his antics, but I don't think he's done anything to deserve that treatment.

>>134867360
It's probably Hanako. She and him are longtime affiliates.

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>>134865973
It looks fantastic, what are you on about?

>>134867569
ha, it's the vn equivalent of the dreamworks face.

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>boohoo I want all my art to be anime
lmao kid, why don't you try appreciating real art some time?

>>134867198
It's obvious this guy is just very colorful with the way he types. Labeling it as passive aggressive and getting assblasted over it in order to justify this shitposting is kind of pathetic.

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i think he can use the artist but the artist needs to stop fucking up proportions. the lips are unsalvageable.

>>134867838
If it makes you feel better, I'm only shitposting about the truly bad art.

>>134867569
>>134867792
These two aren't nearly as bad as this >>134867478 monster

>>134868004
Even if you ignore the faces the art has a lot of problems with anatomy and clothes, just look at the feet of >>134867478

>>134868004
>>134867478
>>134865973
These look like one artist made the faces and another made bodies.

>>134867021
Yeah, at the cost of losing however much money you put into the original art. Of course, you have to weigh that pretty carefully against the risk of the game not selling altogether as a result. It's a tough call, especially when they probably don't see what's wrong with the art to begin with. Personally, I think his best bet would be to bite the bullet and have the art replaced, but I can see why it's not an easy decision to make.

>>134865612
I only wish he would hire a better colorist. Almost all his games have a weird pallete.

>>134868202
on the upside we will never see those club foot in the vn, but instead the faces.

though the style itself is a perplexing blend of simple cartoon details and really high rendering. so the belt buckles and that badge are highly rendered, and then look at the chest and that scarf. >>134867478

>>134867478
wew lad

>>134867478
Man or woman?

>>134869427
That's for you to find out, player_name.

>>134867478
please do not shade with the dodge and burn tool.

>>134867478
I hope you're all telling him anime is superior

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>>134868571
>on the upside we will never see those club foot in the vn, but instead the faces.

Is this better or worse?

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>>134865973
>>134867478
He could recycle the art for a Song of Saya style horror VN. Instead of seeing disgusting blobs of flesh, the protagonist sees this art style.

>>134869790
But that's what they're for!

>>134870492
10/10 post

>>134870492
damn that was ruthless

>>134870843
Maybe a little too ruthless. We're starting to resemble a witch-hunt.

>>134872830
a witchhunt is when you actively go after someone on a personal level. talking about someones games and poor decision making skills is par the course for /evn/.

>>134872830
The more you insist with the bullshit "stop it you guys" thing, the more we're going to talk shit.

>>134867478
>>134865973
>>134867569
>>134867792

Ahhh, so this is what Hitler was trying to stop.

>>134872830
His new poll is definitely idiotic. If you have people choose between:
>Best style ever
>I'm an idiot and I don't like it
>I don't care
You might as well save yourself the time of making the poll in the first place.

If somebody wants honest constructive feedback, I'm okay with that. If somebody acts dumb, they'll get treated like an idiot.

>>134867478
turd polishing level: expert

>>134874835
Actually, I agreed with that in an earlier post. I just think we're going in circles now.

>>134876603
>sob sob

>>134876992
>sob sob I sell games

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>>134877326
Did you call?

> seiyuu danshi allows pledged through paypal

I'm thought you couldn't sell 18+ content with paypal?

>>134877897
KS does not allow 18+ stuff either, but there it is.

>>134877897
>>134878769
Same with army gals. Proves there are exceptions to the rule.

>>134877897
Speaking of which, looks like Savior of BL is about to hit 30K.

>>134880932
it will probably end at 45k. I'd love if they beat army gals

>>134877897
Remember, very few things are actually 100% hand-vetted by large companies. How do you think Rapelay got onto Amazon that time? Not because Amazon actually chose to sell it.

>>134881916
You can buy eroge and other 18+ content and items off Amazon so I don't really get the example.

>>134881916
i reported army gals and nothing.

>>134874364
You'd think we'd want to be somewhat supportive of one another when EVNs tend to get ridiculed and sell like shit anyway. I'm pretty sure a lot of people in here are bitter for that very reason.

>>134882863
Fag

>>134882958
>support a game that looks bad just because

>>134882958
Just shut up.

>>134882958
It really doesn't take a genius to know a game with art that ugly wouldn't sell, it's no one's fault but his own that he couldn't figure that out before selling it.

I reckon if the project raises enough, even if it violates some of KS rules they'll let it slide since they get to take 10% of the earnings.

>>134883150
I'm not saying you have to buy it, just that reveling in it's failure and shitting all over it is poor form.

>>134883291
He made a mistake and misjudged the art, so what? Would you want your project to be treated the same way here after seeing it flop? All your money, time, and effort go straight down the toilet just to have people laugh and insult you for it?

>>134883397

> shitting all over it

No one here is doing that. If you put out a bad product, you are going to have to listen to people saying it's a bad product.

Doubly so if you have hard data about your customers but you chose to ignore, and yet you act bewildered about a game not selling.

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>>134867792
I've played around with that one, but I'm shit at realism.

>>134884097
Still a significant improvement.

>>134883397
>>134883909

People wouldn't even be talking about it anymore if you weren't so hellbent on defending it.

>>134884097
It's skyrim mods all over again. Polishing the shit in such a scale it looks almost good.

>>134883397
But that's why most anons hang out here?

>>134884265
So sorry I'm late to the party. Honestly, I'm more concerned about how it affects the general itself. It's just this kind of stuff that prevents people from wanting to post their progress. Instead that void is filled by allahu akbar, b-bump, and shitposting just to keep this place alive.

>>134884753
It's the flavor of the day conversation, dude. It's bad art and predictably sold bad, we make fun of it, then we move on. You can drag it out by talking about how concerned you are about it or let it pass like it all usually does.

>>134884753
>It's just this kind of stuff that prevents people from wanting to post their progress.
It's always been like this and we still have a consistent userbase. Maybe you're just not fit for /evn/ and would feel better on a different community, but don't think for one second that we'll change based on your sensibilities because it's not stopping the rest of us from discussing ours and others' projects. If anything, it is refreshing to get people being honest to the point of being harsh rather than seeing cliques circlejerking as in other communities.

>>134884753
I's always been pure shitposting. It's fine, people who actually post any progress have developed a thick skin. But if people were forced to use tripcodes and names here, it'd be as active as #vn-devs.

>>134885109
>If anything, it is refreshing to get people being honest to the point of being harsh rather than seeing cliques circlejerking as in other communities.

Remember ML anon's godawful first GUI that apparently no one had told them was bad?

>>134885342
Good times.

>>134882958
shut the fuck up.

>>134884097
>not fixing the botched boob job from tijuana

>>134885895
I know, I'm a lazy fuck. :/

>>134882405
The point was "just because someone is accepting paypal money for a thing doesn't mean that paypal has intentionally given the permission / exceptions"

Kickstarter, on the other hand, we already know allows at least some adult content. Exactly what and under exactly what rules is harder to make sense of.

>>134885109
Circlejerking is the last thing I'd want as well. I've been here for some time, and that's part of the reason I'm still here. I've posted progress multiple times and value feedback that isn't concerned about appearances.

>it's not stopping the rest of us from discussing ours
It is. That's why I felt like saying this. I can't count how many times I've seen people say they've made progress, but are completely unwilling to actually show anything because they're worried about it getting dumped on. I'm sure there are a number of people who come in here only to leave when they see what happens to work that's deemed bad. We get maybe a handful of posts that are relevant to a user's project and it's not that uncommon for an entire thread to go by with nothing.

Anyway, just felt like getting that off my chest. I'll fuck off now and stop dragging this out.

>>134889230
>and it's not that uncommon for an entire thread to go by with nothing.

On the other hand, I'd say that the very few things we do get are above average quality.

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Anything but working on my own project.

>>134889617

Oh, he looks pretty handsome like that.

>>134889617
Lips still look kinda weird.

>>134889767
Too flat?

>>134890063
A bit too large for a blonde/white, the color of the lower lip also seems too pale.

>>134890268
Gotcha. I'm just doing these for fun, but the critique is really appreciated nevertheless.

>Expecting critique from /evn/

newfags

>>134890575

> not knowing people receive critique here frequently

>>134889617
drake?

>>134890475
Well, getting more practice has never hurt anybody. It's kinda scary how much better it looks compared to what a paid artist produced.

I had a look at the Planet Stronghold stuff, and it seems the original artist has a serious problem with shading.

>>134890575
They gave me useful feedback, so yeah.

>>134890729
Nathan.

>>134890631
Eh, I'd say the quality of critique here is generally pretty bad with one or two exceptions. I don't see much of a difference between here and LSF honestly, where it may be a circlejerk but people have also gotten occasional helpful advice.

And if you want to be honest (which apparently most anons don't) LSF is much less of a circlejerk. For one thing, /evn/ likes to often circlejerk over the misconception that it isn't a circlejerk. It's rather amusing.

>>134892549
>. I don't see much of a difference between here and LSF honestly, where it may be a circlejerk but people have also gotten occasional helpful advice.
then stay there please

it feels like it's always one person doing this same argument every few threads

>>134892923
Why won't you do us a favor and put a trip on?

>>134893191
he's not the one that needs a trip.

>>134893191
I'm not the one who is bothered by the status quo everyone else comes here for

>>134893908
I come here to talk about dicks.

>>134893908
I think you're confusing one anon for another in this thread.

>>134894192
I bet that guy is going to tell you the dicks on LSF are better and smell nicer

What's the point of only letting people pick one choice and not having "I just think the art sucks, anime or not." in there?

>>134894487
Reassurance that you're always right, and any chances you might have made something no one wants are only a result of silly small preferences that you can fix in an hour.

Basically, delusion.

>>134894285
There's been a lot of posts today assuming everyone disagreeing with them is just one very exuberant person. It's the joy of anon clouds.

>>134894487
Trying to discourage people from giving too negative a reply in order to convince yourself that the art you've already paid for twice now isn't completely wasted? (Since as I recall this is the second artist that game has had, after the first one bailed halfway through.)

>>134895074
How was the art before?

>>134884753
Allahu Akbar guy here, reporting for duty! Leave the bumping to me and the others.

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>>134896391
I'm having trouble finding much of it at the moment, I'm still looking around.

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>>134896391
Many of the characters seem pretty different in the personality they give across.

>>134896795
>Allahu Akbar guy
I was kind of hoping you were a girl, /pol/-bro.

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>>134897202
Some of the faces still look pretty weird.

How do you guys do it? Play VNs, that is. I played one for the first time the other day and I think it fucked me up. Games designed to make you fall for fictional characters are fucked up.

>>134897014
>>134897202
Well, I wouldn't call that art fantastic but it's bearable. The new designs really make me want to do everything I can to stop looking at them.

It reminds me a bit of Xenonauts character design.

>>134897202
Thanks. Yeah, you're right, they look like completely different people.
I think at least the clothing design improved mostly.

>>134897549
Try playing non-romantic ones?

Would you feel cheated if there are sprites for certain actions and sometimes the actions are just described?

>>134898547
cheated out of what?

>>134898547
I wouldn't really care or notice.

>>134897663
Not him but what good non-romantic VN would you suggest?

>>134898547
Finding the right balance between what to draw and what to describe can be tricky. If you think an action is going to be repeated often, then a specific sprite for it would be nice, but otherwise a description will do.

I made an /evn/ discord channel:
https://discordapp.com/channels/158026561516208128
Now we can be salty cunts together even when the thread is dead!

>>134902427
Why would you not just use IRC?

>>134902641
IRC is old and busted.

>>134902765
Just like your mom

>>134902765
You mean nice and simple.

>>134897296
Sorry bro.

>>134902379
this is what you get when you fuck an american tank

>>134902427
I think you gave us the wrong link

>>134797964
So is Panzermadels worth getting?
The few screenshots they have up seem really funny to me, but is the rest of the game up to the same standard? Screenshots are made to sell a game after all.

>>134906989
from reddit:
>Against my better judgement, I ended up buying this. I figured it'd either be a Hatoful Boyfriend-esque exercise in clever writing within an incredibly dumb premise, or it'd be trash. So far the end result has been somewhere inbetween. I do enjoy that nearly all the jokes so far have been based on either historical events or using military terminology as sexual innueno, rather than 'the girls are also tanks! Isn't that wacky?!' that I kind of expected. When they're not just taking scenes out of Firefly and Blackadder and slapping them in, anyway. Is it still satire or referential if you use almost exactly the same dialogue as the source? I have no idea.
>Kind of a technical mess, though. It works in that it didn't crash or the like, but you can't even make it fullscreen.

>>134907149
>Kind of an abrupt ending though. Actually criticising the narrative of this feels almost superfluous, but I'd be lying if I said the way it all wraps up didn't kind of ruin things a bit for me.

>>134907149
>>134907269
Did some other research whilst you two were replying
So in a nutshell:

+Jokes and innuendo
+Tank girls

+/- Story and general writing ok

- Really bad ending that jumps out of nowhere and leaves people disappointed

I suppose I might get it - the humour is what draws me in after all. Just nothing to stick around for like MGQ's story did

Sunrider has delivered its Massive Update. Are you satisfied?

>>134909339
>/evn/
>satisfied
haha

Can I make terror group girls?

First-world must be asleep right now.

>>134915292

We're all working on our games.

>>134915292
3rd world here. About to sleep soon. Not much progress for today.

Still working my ass and takbir until my shift ends.

IS EVERYONE ASLEEP!?

>>134925061
I was until you started yelling. Shut the fuck up.

>>134925117
BUT!! I need someone to go with me to the bathroom.

>>134925061
no I'm just too shy to try and start a new conversation. I should be asleep though it's 6am

and still no progress made ;_;

>>134889617

>that ear

>>134925456
I want to ask for writing help, but you fucks always ignore me.
Have a bump though.

scheduled takbir incoming

D E U S D E O
E
U
S
D
E
O

How often do you talk to your team during Nano ?

why do i have the worst luck with video people?

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>>134927906
As a writer, my writing advice to you would be to look for writing advice from outside the EVN sphere, where it seems like most people can't even wrap their head around the most basic mechanics of the English language.

>>134898547
No, I'm not going to feel "cheated" if a visual novel contains prose.

>>134932830
I'm rather confused by this.

>>134865954
Wow, I thought you were being hyperbolic, but nope, those are literally the poll options

b u m p
u
m
p

what causes people to take a job, ask for half up front pay and then not respond? even a 'hey gonna be late' is better than nothing.

>>134936701
Scammed ? If so, tell us your story.

don't die

>>134925457
Yep, still a lazyfuck. :/ I didn't touch the ear at all. I wondered about the other girl too, whether it's supposed to be an alien race or not.>>134884097
It's complicated enough that I hesitate to decide it's just badly drawn.

>>134940598
CAN'T UNSEE NOW HOLY FUCK
Why would anyone pay for this shit ?

>>134940796
You think it's just badly drawn, then?

>>134936701
NAME AND SHAME

>>134942121
I don't know, and I don't want to look again, hope you will get someone else's opinion.

http://www.winterwolves.net/viewtopic.php?p=37271#p37271

Looks like he's considering someone else.

Is it really saving you money to have to redo the art 3 times rather than hiring someone like http://www.winterwolves.net/viewtopic.php?p=37267#p37267 first? How cheap are those other artists?

>>134942728
>all those entitled manbabies who can't stand anything not manga

>>134942910
I voted that option because there wasn't a "This art is shit, stop being stingy" option. If he keeps hiring students and part time nurses he's never going to get his art fast.

>>134942728
>Is it really saving you money to have to redo the art 3 times rather than hiring someone like http://www.winterwolves.net/viewtopic.php?p=37267#p37267 first?
I don't do art, but I've been hired by people to redo their music in similar situations. Sometimes, those people had complained about my rates and gone with different freelancers (who couldn't deliver on time or be consistent in quality) first, so of course, I felt sorry they spent money and time, I can't say there wasn't a bit of schadenfreude in that because when people just don't respond or say they can't afford you, that's cool, everyone has their own circumstances; but for someone to be vocal and even rude about how they think you ask for too much and then get sorely disappointed by people who asked for less and realize there were indeed shortcomings in just picking the cheapest option... there is a bit of a sick pleasure to it.

>>134943196
holy run-on sentence batman.

>>134943360
I do that a lot when I decide to post right after waking up. Blame the 'tismo.

>>134942292
NAME AND SHAME-senpai, you're back!

>>134943450
NAME AND SHAME is a feeling, not a person. It is inside you too, mob justice goes back to the beginning of society.

>>134942728
IS IT REALLY HAPPENING? WTF.

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I'm a NEET and just got into Ren'Py for an idea I have, I have no artistic skills though. If I get a job, how much money would I have to put aside to pay artists? What's the basic rates? I don't mind paying out for quality art, just curious for my budget

>>134944480
That depends on the quality you want to have, the size of your project, amount of the cgs/bgs/sprites.
But if you want your vn to look decent, have about 20cgs, 10bgs, 10 sprites, you should save somewhere between 3000 to 6000$.

>>134944670
Is it easy to get the game on Steam if the quality is that high? I know there's a greenlight fee but it seems like everything gets through.

>>134944670
I think 10 sprites is nothing compared to that amount of cg and bg.

>>134944851
Almost everything gets through nowadays, no need to worry about that. Selling is the hard part.

>>134945048
10 Sprites is quite a lot, actually. 10 characters, and you should expect them to have a few expressions, 2 poses, and maybe an additional outfit.
>>134944851
That's not a very high quality, actually, but decent. Getting something to steam isn't this difficult. You can do it two ways:
1. Contact sekai and lose about a chunk of your revenue, but they'll push the button "release" for you.
2. Do a greenlight, which might take a few months even, depending on your marketing.

>>134945456
10 sprites != 10 characters.

>>134945582
isn't that supposed to be <> ?

>>134945738
Both are working in different languages.

>>134946002
My bait was low quality.

So how far ahead of the actual release of your project should you start maximum shilling?

>>134946080
Shill it like your Bernie shills at /pol/.

>>134946080

as soon as you have something to show.

>>134932830
What's actually wrong with this?

>>134947057
the correction is dumb. Past narration with present dialogue is pretty common.

>>134947162
>Past narration with present dialogue is pretty common
But that's what the correction is.

>Past tense
>Past tense
>Present tense

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How do all of you afford to pay these artists/musicians? How do you make a living?

>>134947968
Do everything by yourself.

>>134947968
I lucked out; my composer and sprite artist work for free. Still figuring out CGs, though, since the artist really doesn't want to draw backgrounds. That might require a commission.

>>134947968
Save up. There's no secret to it. You plan a project, then you save up as you work on it to at least get a demo ready for Kickstarter/publishers.

Should I leave nano-team, if writer is a whiny bitch ?

>>134948370
Definitely.

>>134948370
What's your role? I'd at least talk it over with them first and let them know you're considering leaving.

>>134948479
GUI Artist.
Writer also is a team leader

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>>134947968
>How do all of you afford to pay these artists/musicians?
I do the art on my own. Might have to hire a proper writer and an editor to help me with the script. And hire a musician.
Kickstarting is a very likely possibility.

> How do you make a living?
I'm full time artistscum

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>>134942728
>I love it!
>I'm undecided
>I hate it*
>*Because it's not manga

Did he really need to add this? Seems out of place with the other choices.

>>134948637
Your call, then. But I'd still at least handle it professionally. A commitment is a commitment and IMO it's not good to make unnecessary enemies.

>>134948732
Yeah, we were making fun of him a lot for that yesterday. He really handled it like a child. I'm happy that the forums still responded honestly despite that passive-aggressive attempt at hearing what he wants to hear.

>>134948849
>make unnecessary enemies.
I wonder what a whiny bitch can do ?

>>134948710
>>134948107
>>134948176
So you're all NEETs/NEETs with artistic talent then?

>>134949336
>NEET
at least one of those works, can't be a NEET if you freelance

>artistic talent
wew lad

Talent is a meme, they just draw and draw until they get good and that's why they can make bucks out of it.

>>134948710
...Badriel?

>>134949645
He's a regular here.

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Is it better to stick with Ren'Py as your main program or fuck around with the easier editors like Tyranobuilder first?

>>134949645
Yes.
>>134949336
I've actually finished my education.
Also
>artistic talent
pls.
>>134949724
I mostly lurk. Sometimes the state of /evn/ and the lack of people willing to post progress saddens me.

>>134949906

Ren'Py is easy is you can get around the awful documentation. A visual interface will only give you bad habits.

>>134949906
Ren'Py is really easy to get a grip on.

>>134949906
I used TyranoBuilder for a good hour or so and I recommend using Ren'Py. Tyrano, to me, feels way more limited and frustrating to use, especially compared to Ren'Py.

>>134949906
>>134950163
>>134950227
>>134950465

Inb4 people telling newbies to jump right into Unity "because it's better and has documentation like ren'py" lmao.

Anyway, should I ask for bird's eye POV or just a simple top view map for use in a "where to go" portion of a dating-sim?

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I'm sure that couldn't possibly go wrong.

>>134951448
lmao lol
xddd
>>134951637
Do you really think it's necessary? If it's a recurring element of the game, sure, go for it, but if it happens like 3-4 times, and will have only about a minute of screen time, don't bother.
Instead you can have a list of choices with thumbnail versions of the locations.

>>134951448
Well, Unity is actually better in all aspects, and has a better documentation.
but it requires at least a bit of brain to operate

>>134951982
Ever since I noticed him using emojis in his blogs, things started going downhill.

>>134952069
It happens like more or less 60 times so I really need to.

>>134952708
Then, it sounds like a reasonable expense.
You might ask for an isometric map. Those are both nice on the eye, and easy to navigate. Can even be quite exaggerated and not to scale.

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>>134951982
and here we have a salty dev trying to deal with a badly selling game with no grace whatsoever
just aceept it and move on jfc

ML demo is out!
https://killerqueen.itch.io/monstrouslovers

>>134951448
It is better. You're just mad you can't program at all.

>>134949914
>the lack of people willing to post progress
Every time I have ever posted any sort of progress here, it has been unduly shat on or simply nitpicked. It's not hard to figure out why so few people post progress.

>>134954494
>unduly shat on
Granted.

>simply nitpicked
The fuck you posting progress for if you don't want feedback?

>>134954582
To save a dead thread?

>>134954351
Does anyone else have constant issues downloading from itch.io? I have to attempt downloads multiple times because they always fucking fail.

>>134954479
It's a very slow learning curve for me... learning a new language and all. Not to mention not too much VN-related documentation.

>>134954351

ha ha, you beat me to it anon.

This is pretty much the same as the last one, with a few notable changes:

* all backgrounds match the descriptions now. (For example, you may remember that Sebastian's office used to have a day variation when Chris said they had a night shift.)

* there's music. Most of it is stock, but now you have the option to listen to something besides silence while playing.

* there was one CG missing, it's now in the game.

* some minor edits to the narration.

* general correction of grammar and spelling.

For those of you who have trouble with itch.io, here's a dropbox link (I uploaded to itch.io first because the analytics are useful):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s5728ivr235srea/MonstrousLoversv1-all.zip?dl=0

>>134947968
By selling g-

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>>134955358

>>134955339
Hey, how can I send you suggestions/typo corrections/etc about the demo?

>>134955598
F O R C E D
M E M E

Can I become DDD anon or I'm just another anon till I release it?

>>134954494
Thick skin is a requirement if you want to create a work of fiction. Keep your chin up and remember that every project and likewise every dev starts somewhere. Criticism is an opportunity to grow, even if some people deliver it more harshly than others.

>>134955668

You can send a message to the tumblr/twitter or email me at [email protected].

>>134955776
I know, and I've taken on board writing criticism and have grown accordingly, it just gets to me when assets I've spent hundreds of dollars on get put down.