/rlg/ – Roguelike General

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brother why
BROTHER
WHYYYYYYY

>>125775827
I think ring of tele should be added to the image too if the random tele isn't allowed.

>>125780205
Only with death swords.

>>125779827
Or has gameplay really.

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I can't find the exit

I am tired of searching for secret doors

I hate this game, my life, everyone else, and the world

So how's your day

>>125780318
Also flying boots. But hey, they know it's haram.

>>125779798
Instadeath is 100% avoidable if you know what you're doing, trust me. Once you do get good at the game and know some tricks to get to elpuri (first tier boss) safely, the actual fight is a cakewalk.
In fact, the only thing that will fuck you up is grinding to have great stats, because it will summon stronger uniques and monsters. Also the more days you're into the game, the stronger the monster become, starting at about day 20 or so.

>>125779827
https://sukebei.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=1810914

I really don't get why the pasta doesn't include a DL link.

So, after getting pretty far and splatting my VsBe I was interested in trying out a Ho of Beogh. I was wondering if the best background would be bog standard warrior since I'm just starting out and trying for first Ascension.

Hmm apparently they rewrote part of the algorithm for DDA's lab mapgen. The dude says that now labs are going to be more complex and without empty turret rooms.
Seems fun.

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Reposting the Brogue seed in behalf of the original anon.
Remember to spoiler your posts!

>>125780318
Thought about it but I didn't want to clutter the image up further. I've only seen one guy confused about those, so it's probably alright.

>>125780638
I think flyboots are alright to be honest, it's cute that the fact you can't evoke them actually becomes relevant if something roots you, and you can't stop flying quickly either if an airstriker shows up.
Good to know about instadeath being manageable, it was somewhat off-putting because otherwise the game seems solid.

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I had a dream that I was playing a TrMo and giant spores were brought back, except they did 200 damage and had double the explosion radius.

When I died to two of them with 230 HP I shitposted on /rlg/ about how bullshit it was, but everyone said things like:
">8 AC
Git gud scrub"


Not even in my dreams can I escape this unending torment


Help

So, which Nethack version is the most reccommended?
The most recent one or Dynahack? Which one is the most played one or the better one?

>>125780318
When did they change it so *Tele caused you to teleport in line of sight of an enemy? Was that 0.16?

>>125781702
Gl, As, Mo are your best options.

>>125781857
They removed giant spores?

>>125781857
Playing DCSS in your dreams sounds pretty awful, yeah.

>>125781857
Anon you might be spending too much time on /rlg/.
Also the giant spores represent your inability to deal with the fact you want to fuck your mother.
>8 AC

>>125782424
Freud pls go.
>Just a cigar

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>vorpal

>>125781946
Dyna is the best in my opinion because it takes the UI from nethack 4 (you'll never go back to the regular nethack UI) and also makes the game a lot less bullshit by removing a lot of instadeaths, but also balancing it so you can't become a god with grinding. It actually more or less removes grinding but without being obtrusive.
You can also play the latest github version online without needing to compile!

>>125782424
Off topic, but has Freud said what happens if children actually fuck their mother/father in their youth?

>>125782994
Übermensch.

>>125782994
They can't and never will, that's why it's a complex. If a kid fucks his mother then he no longer has the complex, he has successfully satisfied his sexual urges and has become a grown man ready to explore the world.

>>125783331
Sounds like a great origin story.
Also maybe that's why Batman is so edgy too, since he can't complete his destiny without necrophilia anymore.

>>125782994
I know it's reddit but it's relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/nmmjr/iama_man_who_had_a_sexual_relationship_with_his/

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I made Raven-born gnomish bard in ADoM, picked Heir and prerequisites at character creation for Seven League Boots, then long stride. I just wanted to make Sanic in ADoM basically, but since I'm a >bard I have no idea of what build to use with these skills. Any ideas?

Still remember that one time I made a mist elf bard and ended up with over 2 pages of skills, I think I posted a screenshot here.

>>125783594
I just realized that if I'd made this one a mist elf I'd be guaranteed to have the skills for a viable caster. Fuck.

In Angband if i have more INT spells are easier to cast?

>that snozzcumber was truly putrid!

>>125783594
bards work like this:
>get music at 100
>go to bug temple
>play music
>get some killer bug companions
>win

>>125784276
I haven't unlocked the bug temple
I don't play ADoM a lot

>>125784408
splat 100 dudes. Just make a character and then hit right to get out of the drakalor chain, to get a highscore. Quitting doesn't give you a highscore.

>>125782994
I remember something about this on /lit/ but I can't find it on the archives, sorry
>>125783578
Oh yeah, that was... interesting

Does anyone know what gods "tolerating" eachother in Incursion means mechanically? Can you juggle multiple gods like in IVAN?

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>Valley of the dead with dif 4 demons
>mitre of holiness

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Alright, Gehenmon, here I come!

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And that's the last thing I can do in the city.
Now, I have found three wands of mirroring and four scrolls of charging, plus another whip of thievery and six or something scrolls of enchant weapon.

My offense is going to be top notch, but my defenses are still going to be crap. Also this guy's legstrength game is weak as hell, which is really annoying.

>spend an hour clearing the first floor, finding chests filled with cool shit
>get hit by some status bullshit and die horribly over 5 turns

Incursion somehow manages to be both the funnest and most infuriating roguelike I've ever played.

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WHY DOES THIS KARMIC LIZARD NOT STOP BULLYING ME
WHY
He spawned on some kind of vault or tension room filled with other OOD shit and he hasn't stopped chasing me along with his buddies the chaos rat, a least daemon and a harpy, which I've already killed, but I can't kill the lizard without possibly dooming this character in more than one sense.

>>125760273
You have decent device skill. You should be able to snag them with stinking cloud/ball rods/wands

>>125769903
>tfw half-titan tourist is dead for just that kind of reasoning
I'll get that second tourist win some day....

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I love aoe spells
This quest is so easy with it

I'm watching someone on cszo repeatedly start FoAKs and kill himself in the abyss
the autism is oddly relaxing
does he always do this?

>>125787965
Just killed him, I got cursed I think. Should be easy to fix I find an altar right?

>>125788437
its propably a bot

>>125788693
If so, it does a damn good job playing exactly like a human.

>>125788874
kek

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Fuuuck and I thought I was close to freedom.
What's bugging me the most is that I'm losing what could have been skill advances in Healing while I'm trapped in the ID.

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Do you already believe in your god, and why it's Xom?

>>125790263
does Mo get any benefit from going Xom?

>>125790263
>robes
ha ha ha

>>125790401
>robes
"Money, money, money...", a lot of fun and much more.

>>125790602
I mean compared against any other class going Xom. Does the monk piety bonus affect Xom in any way?

>>125790718
Xom doesn't give a fuck and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>125790878
I guess the good news is that he's not about to swap your weapon on you
Xom is a good god for transmuters.

>>125790940
I thought weapon swap got removed anyway?

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Should I attempt to convert this altar? First one I've found and I can't keep going with a curse.

>>125791308
>playing a version other than 0.8

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>>125791361
Did it anyways since I'm apparently the only autist playing ADoM right now.
>gray
I'm not sure that's the god I was aiming for, but I'll manage.

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>>125791709
I forgot neutral altars don't take neutral sacrifices...
s-stop fighting please

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>>125791880
Sacrificed a goblin.
This is getting silly I just want a lawful altar.

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I really don't feel like wasting a scroll of recharging only to enchant that chain mail to +5. I'm sure I'm going to find better armor deeper in the dungeon.

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>>125792060
HIgh Elven Weaponsmith Looking for Lawful Altar
256/Male/VD:2, Drakalor Chain

>>125792060
Well, you can't convert an altar to lawful without being lawful yourself.

>>125792428
Oh yes
I didn't notice I dropped alignment when I first converted it back to chaotic.
Fuck

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Wow that was fucking nothing. It died to two charges of fireball. I didn't even need to quaff healing.

>>125788409
I remember when I did that quest with a Q, unleashed some GWOPs.
By the end of the quest, half of that castle was just flat out gone. No more walls. No more tears.

I've been getting into poschengband and enjoying it a lot and relatively spoiler-free. Few questions.

What does stunning do?
What about scrolls of holy chant? I assume blessing blesses weapons.
About the different stats, am I supposed not to have more than a vague idea of what they do for maximum FUN? I mean, I get that certain classes use different stats for spellcasting, that str probably affects melee, that con affects life and that presumably wis has to do with the fake-ID system but other than that I'm kinda in the dark.

also i apparently found a wand of wishing
holy shit this fucking guy

>>125793795
Did you read the help "?" file?

>>125793795
Blessing, holy chant, and holy prayer giver you +5 AC with increasing duration.
Read the help file you butt slut. Sit down and go through it. no. Shut up. Fucking read it faggot.

Picking up the 5 rune guy from Zot if anybody wants to watch.

Only Slime and Zot lungs left for the challenge, and then maybe Pan or Coc or something after that if things don't look too terrible.

>>125793875
>wand
scroll
I mean a scroll. And I already know what I'm gonna wish for!
A holy saga of the pantheon. Which is an item that they got from CLIVAN.

The thing about CLIVAN was that you could read holy sagas (that for crazy powergaming purposes upped your wis and int of 1/2 points each time) until you reached 50 int and then you could go speak to the dolphins in the cathedral to get your int in the 80s/90s so you could effectively read teleportations without wasting a turn and map the whole level with your ESP since it scales with intelligence. Not to mention valpurium/golden eagle feather every part of your equipment, even though that's a tricky one.

NewIVAN fixes that by capping the gains at about 20/30 int/wis. It's still pretty strong, but since you already need to use a wish to get the saga and several recharging scrolls (extremely rare) on a wand of mirroring or cloning (extremely rare too) and you can't grind for drops anywhere, it's still pretty balanced.

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>Fast moving around in brogue without thinking
>Splat
>+5 ring of regeneration

>>125793795
>>125794008
they also give an accuracy bonus

stunning increases fail rates for all sorts of things. Accumulating enough stunning will knock you out (some time beyond the heavy stun status) which is Bad

Dex and Str both go into the equations that determine how many blows per round you get with your weapons, in addition to determining accuracy/damage, so they're very important for classes that hit things. Charisma makes your pets more obedient and helps you resist fear. Wisdom used to lower shop prices but not sure if it still does in 4.0. Intelligence helps you activate devices more reliably. Dex helps your defense. Strength helps your carrying capacity. Con helps your hps.

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Kek.

Is dcss 0.61 a good game or I shouldn't try to play this version?

>>125795952
I mean dcss 0.6.1

>>125795952
Why are you still playing DCSS, the fork PACrawl is objectively superior with many patented Chris-based improvements
I mean seriously, I haven't played vanilla DCSS since the great information drought of 2034

Really silly question, but the fail is real. Does anyone remember what skill allows you to repair clothing in Unreal World? It's not ppping up in the skill list.

for poschengband 4.0.0, what would be a fun combo for a half-titan? I need to build a new pokedex since it's a new version.

>>125794008
>reading things
Not only is that for fags I consider it cheating

>>125796559
the pcb help files are pretty good and meant to be a resource.

>>125796538
Mauler, maybe for something fitting.

You can also play a ranger or warlock [dragon pact] for probing if you like them more. I don't know who else gets it.

>>125796538
Magic-Pussy-Eater.

>>125796538
>>125796854
second for mauler, one of the most fun classes in the game

>>125796883
Fuck no unless you give macros too. My hand is already cold and feels like shit. I think i'm getting carpal or something from this game.

>Read summon monster scrolls in pcb
>Get a fricken swordsman on stronghold:8
>Kill him
>Get a broad sword of nature
Woohoo!

>>125797162
Just go with full titan.

>>125797306
Can they probe bums too?

>>125796268
Do you have a link? Can't find anything about it and-
> since the great information drought of 2034
Wow way to get my hopes up you dick
;_;

>>125797423
Sure, with devices.
And they're fun to play, you can throw monsters into other monsters, throw ruks.
Master dual wield.
Not to mention summon monster you get at level 30 which can babble you up

>>125797549
I don't think it's gay enough for me then if you can't intrinsically probe anuses.

>>125797549
>babble trabble???

>>125797695
ohohohoho

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>>125797549
I wanted non-device probing though. I'm a turbo baddy

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Look, I have a kobold waifu now.
I really wish there was a roguelike where companions aren't shit, I think I'll name her and drop her at the old barbarian's clearing or something. Hopefully she won't steal shit once I start using it as a hoard.

>>125797857
Why? I usually don't bother with probing to be honest. I just have the entire monster spoiler in a notepad file and just ctrl+f the monster to look it up.
Absolutely necessary for possessors, etc. Of course until you just know what every monster does, basically.
I'm not using a single savefile either, I like separate ones for separate chars and their options/macros.

>>125782009
What would a HoMo's primary weapon be since Beogh seems to reward shields and armor? Mace, Ls, not axes I assume since you need two hands for the good ones of those

>>125796538
>I need to build a new pokedex since it's a new version.
I just discovered rangers get free probing too and they can also choose the nature by default, which is the best magic background because herbal healing.
Try a yeek ranger.

>>125798105
But that's being a huge pussy-ass bitch, onii-chan.

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>>125798275
I'm not the one getting carpal tunnel from PCB.

>>125798219
punching
smiting is just a punch that you do with your faith

>>125798360
Me neither.
What are you implying exactly?
You think I'm a coward, don't you? And a virgin to boot, right?
Well fuck you! I'll have you know that I've once masturbated with a condom on! It was a little scary but I managed to cum.

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>>125798571
I have confused you with another anon.
Forgive me, latexman.

>>125798105
it gets annoying to keep checking shit in a spoiler file.Especially on uniques when I'm wanting to make sure I've killed them all up to my depth. The mon dex in ~ is nice as is being able to just hit r when I can't remember the damage on something.

>>125798759
>latexman
That's the nicest thing anyone besides Lom Lobon has ever said to me. Thanks anon.

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I guess icy rune is off the table. :<

>>125798847
Anon the mobs in the spoiler file are literally sorted by depth.

>>125798907
just go punch it in the face

>>125798907
Time to start scumming for all the teleport and blink scrolls.

>>125798974
And I have to keep searching on [U] instead of hitting ~m, look at unique and yup, missed variant maintainer, time to go scum 14's

>>125797857
you should build mpa poschengband
https://github.com/MarvinPA/mpa-poschengband

it has such fixes as:
full monster knowledge
stone of lore works if you're just carrying it
and a few other quality of life changes from pcb 4.0

>>125798907
holy shit I thought you were joking
you're actually trying to get that fucking rune

>>125799216
Do want.
If a kind anon would build it for windoz, that'd be awesome.

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Hold the fucking presses, so the character converted to Corellius, a god which hates me, from Aysia, who had already blessed me with intrinsic luck, just because I went from N+ to LN? And of course the best moment to find out about this is while I'm getting swarmed by a lizardmen tribe in the wilderness.

>>125799315
it's pretty easy to build for oneself with microsoft visual studio c++ 2010 express

I don't know where I would post a built version of it to be recieved by others. Also, I wonder whether I would want to leave in the block against wizard mode and debug commands or not.

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>>125799716
This character's literacy is not that good yet but luckily I was able to ID my scrolls and then successfully use a scroll of darkness. Hopefully this will even the odds a bit.

>>125800015
The block is fine, anyone who wants to use wizmode can do it in "normal" PCB anyway. I used it exactly once, to find out if a possessor can possess the serpent and the unicorn of order.
You can post it to any random file hosting things, then post the link here.

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>>125800142
I think this is the last one.

Would Ring of Flames be a good spell to clear V:5 with? I'm playing a sorta hyybridy character and I have no access to any other AoE spells.

>>125800663
Ring of Flames is a thing you use when you're going for 200 power on Firestorm, not an actual offensive spell
no it would not be a good spell to use

>>125800208
hopefully this works for you
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=07522918474168636011

when mpa poschengband updates or whatever, you should ask about how to build it yourself, it's easy

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>>125800850
Eyyy it works.
Yeah, I definitely will, thanks though.
Time to rev up some possessors.

>>125801043
spoilers: the babble actually really kinda sucks as a pet

>>125801149
Oh believe me, I know.

Implo is doing pan right now
he wants to grab seven runes

>>125801043
I think it is a debug build, not a release mode build. But the wizmode block is still on I think? Anyways, ymmv. Glad it works.

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This is the second minotaur who joins my company in the last few minutes. Abandoned the other one because he insisted on wandering on a swamp hydra's territory and saving him would've got me killed.

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>>125801478
Thanks again, I'll make sure to learn how to build it myself next time.
RRRREV IT UP

HE PUNCHED
A PAN LORD

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So /rlg/ why haven't YOU punched out a pan lord today?

>>125801249
just casually punching pan lords dont mind me

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How do I get less casul and break my addiction to linesprint

>Read my last scroll of summon monster
>Lousy adjacent, boxed in by killer bees behind him
>tfw that piece of shit is dead in about the best circumstances I could ask for.

>>125802047
win linesprint
go for a low turncount win

>>125802047
>vine stalker
>not ghoul for maximum fastheal
you're playing linesprint wrong. That alone should stop your addiction.

>>125794567
use shift move m8

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what is this

>>125804310
Looks like the Stone of Lore

>>125804310
Identifies items you step on.
Just wield it.

>>125801985
Any ascending MuMo has to fight panlords.

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>bumble into something you can't see
>stab it in a fatal spot anyway
Such is life as a ninja.

>>125804609
Vinniepaz didn't

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>>125804489
>just wield it
sword not have hands to wield
sword only hit

>>125804609
does anybody actually die on the orbrun

>>125804739
Oh, didn't notice.
Welp, it's trash then.

>>125804743
Yes. More so now that they buffed it

>>125804739
>stone of lore as a death sword
I'm considering suicide out of sheer depression.

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Well, to sum up the status quo ante mortem:
Dwarftown was apparently on D:12. On top there was a ogre tension room right at the beginning of D:11 so I was pretty screwed. I named the minotaur Asterion and left him at D:1, he helped me through the path to the CoC. I found out what scrolls of increase melee damage did and used one on my sword right before that orc killed me (I thought they were a literal temporary buff to melee damage).

>>125805635
bro, I see you're using the tiles version but with ascii.

That ascii is fuckugly. DOwnload the classic version, use courier_new with 25p and enjoy the real beauty. (there's instructions on the site on how to change the font)

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>>125805635
ripperoo
The path to winning ADoM is not an easy one. KEEP AT IT.
Especially since there's literally no ADoM wins in the thread except the mega-OP-he-knew-exactly-what-he-was-doing Troll Archmage. Which I personally loved, tbqh.

>>125806068
Oh, thanks for the info. I was getting pretty tired of the cursor.

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>>125806165
>Which I personally loved, tbqh.

We got like two hours a decide the new anthem we can use against /twg/ tomorrow in the /vg/ league.
Our current anthem is pretty lame.
The song does not need to be from a roguelike, but should encompass the culture of /rlg/ and the genre.
Keep in mind only the first 45 seconds or so of the song will be played!

>>125806482
I'm slightly horrified at the thought someone may unironically send that card to someone else IRL.

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>>125806482
No other troll like that troll, anon.

>>125807091
you'd take that from a cute girl, anon.

>>125807053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFgdte8JKI0

>>125807154
I'd like to say I wouldn't but you're right.

Is 0.17 worth ditching 0.16? Or the removals are too much again?

>>125807298
Everything is worth ditching.
Live in a shack in a forest.

>>125807298
Why don't you, like, just read the changelog?

http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/crawl-0-17-squaring-the-circle

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I had all the runes but zero rN

>>125807053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbW5e0FXZiE

>>125807539
I did but i couldnt measure out the good and bad

>>125807053
From DoomRL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNpPcFMZNV4

>>125808218
Lets do this

>>125805009
Just stack a huge pile of rods of perception for practically the same effect.

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I'm really, really sorry IVAN, but I want your mask. I can't afford to die to grenadiers.

Also your fucking rabbit is trashing the place.

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>>125807053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NP-RsRGzVo

>>125807053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZUopdODqYg
cut it down to a recognizable part, Tolkien is core /rlg/

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>>125808986
>killing Ivan

I will never give a shit about any cups.
Unless.
You put RIDE OF THE ROHIRRIM in it.
I totally have a rohirrim character so it's okay.

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>>125808167
Play it for yourself and form your own opinion you limp-wristed cuck. Everyone values the varying changes differently and it's your game you're playing.

>>125808575
>Stack

Should I download IVAN or CLIVAN?

>>125809546
You should download both, unless you're short on bandwidth or something.

>>125809546
Download both
Play none

>>125809607
How differently do they play from each other?

>>125809702
CLIVAN has a bit more content.
IVAN is harder.

>magic mushroom patches cast light if you are a ninja
That's cute and annoying

>play high DEX agile warrior
>get grappled and raped to death by mantles
>play high STR heavy armor warrior
>get blinded/entangled by everything and armor bypassed to death

How the hell do I git gud at Incursion?

>>125810213
Quality :^)

>>125809546
the new version of IVAN. After you won that, play CLIVAN, that is easier and adds a lot of locations.

in trunk holy word can kill greater mummies instead of just halving their current hp and stunning them it's very powerful

>>125810885
It just dazes instead of reducing energy though, so it's not as good of a panic button.

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The heck was flame tongue?

>>125811015
by dazes you mean giving them the question mark over the head status where they move around erratically and don't know were you are?

>almost died of mummy fatigue

>>125811565
Check your damage sheet, maybe it means it brands the attacks of the weapon on the same hand as the ring with fire.

I'm at the bottom of the Tomb in DCSS, why is there no rune here?

>>125812551
You're not in the bottom of tomb, Tomb has 3 levels
it's a fixed generation, you need to TP into the center thing on one of the levels or you could like go up in order to go down like a normal scrub

>>125812551
You have to go up to another area in order to go down to the actual bottom

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If I were to stream some PosChengband now/soon/later tonight, would folks come watch and chat?

I might want to also mix in some non-roguelike stuff as side-attractions. One of the main reasons I haven't done more video content for /rlg/ is that my normal "playflow" of roguelikes often involves breaks into other games (Race for the Galaxy 1v1s online, maybe some MTGO vintage holiday cube, other stuff) or watching other streams/vids.

>>125813496
Streaming PCB is weird, you'd maybe fit one dungeon in a single stream, quite possibly even less.
That game needs time, although I'd watch it provided it had commentary.

>>125813496
okay, I laughed my ass off at those jokes. But I'm going to sleep now so I can't watch

>>125813587
yeah I often do a lot of active commentary when I'm playing it. My early couple of streams, plus shittons of advices posting, helped jump start the critical mass of /rlg/ playing *bands, and pcb in particular

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WEEEEEEEEEEE

>>125813770
Nice. I'd definitely watch it, then.

>>125813496
>MTGO holiday cube
My nigga. I'd watch.

>>125812850
>>125812861
Never knew DCSS had layouts like this, thanks

in ADoM.

If you throw something at a karmic lizard while it is next to you

Do you get bad karma?

SWORD HERE, SHIT EGO LUCK EXCEPT FOR A BUNCH OF SPEED
WHERE GRIND FOR EGO WEAPONS? DONE WITH ORC CAVE JUST NOW, LEVEL 26 BECAUSE I'M A FUCKIN SWORD

>>125814179
Let me break something to you.
You need to not only collect egos for your current upgrades, but also for upgrades whenever you inevitably get drained.
You need a million weapons. A million.

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>>125813496
>>125813882
>>125813917
Alright, twitch stream krazyhades going live. 4chan doesn't want me to 'spam' with a link.

>>125814179
GRIND THE BOTTOM OF ORC FOR SOME MORE EGO SHIT. BUT KNOW THAT YOU WILL GET DISENCHANTED AND YOU'LL CRY BITTER SWORD TEARS.

>>125814349
EVERYBODY IN FOR PCB STREAM, DISREGARD DICKS

>>125814276
YEAH I FIGURED
BUT HEY I HAVE INFINITE FOOD, LOL
>>125814367
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING OUT EXACTLY WHICH MONSTERS CAN DISENCHANT MY PUCKERED STEEL ASSHOLE THROUGH EXTENSIVE TRIAL AND ERROR
I DON'T EXPECT THEM ALL TO BE HELPFULLY LABELED LIKE EYES AND MOLD

>>125814550
Nigger.
The endgame will kill your spirit and your will.
Just get strong devices, that's the universal PCB endgame.

>>125814550
Literally every endgame dude breaths disenchant. You need to find an eat 1 of the weapons that grants disenchant resist.

>>125782508
How many Freudiands does it take to change a lightbulb?

2 one to change the bulb and another to hold the penis. Father! LADDER!

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Staff of tele/rod of escaping cna't come soon enough.Starting to get why chris has such a boner for the crown of telepathy though.

>play pcb
>dungeon is fuckhuge, even on early level. Can't autoexplore with o / middle click
>must press (l)ook around instead of e(x)amine on default key. This is retarded because arrow keys and look around key use the same right fingers
>vi key isn't enabled by default

>buy things from shop
>have to press p + alphabet key repeatedly.
>realize dcss' shop interface is way better

>item drop from quest is fixed, there's no surprise after you've done quest for the first time
>there's no wiki, have to search for info in googlecode, I guess this is what happens on unpopular game

>accidentally enter the quest in town (safe area)
>oh well, I'll just go back
>press <
>you can't go back to this dungeon if you get back
>ok, I'll just try to defeat the fir
>dead

>>125814819
Nah, disenchant breath is very rare. It's on what, chaos and balance dragons and uniques?

Everything late game hits to disenchant, though.

>>125815223
>Dying to thief quest
Fault. But seriously, playing any *band just reminds you of how much DCSS got right with its menus.

>>125815317
It doesn't matter.
It needs to hit you once and you're hanging yourself.
Or you better be.
It literally nullifies your hours of work.
Never again.

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sigmund is your friend

>>125815223
>play roguelike
>expects to get shit right the first time around
>immediately looks shit up online
>complains about his first silly death
Haha you play rogue legacy too? XD I love that game

>>125814179
If you don't mind tedium and degeneracy, pre floor 30ish you detected treasures, mined, bought shovels to mine more faster, then kept mining the dense treasure floors as you cleared deeper. You'd start getting 6-25k per floor and you could buy weapons out of the shop, gamble shop, and walk between towns to reset shops to buy more. It's around the 30's where the exceptional item train starts to pick up speed as well if you just want to straight up kill shit instead of boredom incarnate.

>>125814276
You killed the earlier disenchanters with devices back when you could reasonably have 120+ charges of bolt/ball wands and 30 phase door. The later ones you did the same or just got off the floor.

>>125814550
Just search on it in http://mikedebo.ca/files/poschengband-spoilers/mon-info.spo
You should always be looking up eery monster you don't know by memory anyway

>>125815223
Open your game options in = and set always small to yes. Do NOT do this in your birth options. Small levels makes it harder to escape later and there's more tough bullshit tighter which fucks you up.

It's not hard to beat the thief quest with most combos out of the gate with a little item help. You can jsut do stronghold to like floor 8 anyway then knock out thieves then the warg quest ezpz.

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What's better, one of the two rings I already have on or a ring of +4 slaying?

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>minor

>>125815892
Slaying instead of Moxucc unless the stat loss is noticeably dropping your AC and EV

>>125815892
slay might be a bit better than U

U might be better if you need Str to cast spells or have better EV

>>125816018
Oh man, you'd love falling into pools and shit in nethack

>>125816018
major soaking drowns you.

>>125815886
>You should always be looking up eery monster you don't know by memory anyway
PFF, WHAT AM I, A PUSSY?

is there a worse person in this world than gammafunk

>>125816048
>>125816089
Ozucobu's armor became harder to cast, but it wasn't that consistent anyway. Guess I better put more into hexes.

>>125816521
you can't cast Ozo in a plate and it has nothing to do with Hexes

>>125814179
If you have trouble with fights, don't forget that blessing/holy chant/holy prayer increases your AC by 5. Scrolls of monster confusion cripple many threats surprisingly far into the game. Heroism will boost your shit hp and accuracy. Attack wands work as your launcher, allowing you to weaken enemies before fighting them. When combined with liberal illumination/phase door you can kite strong enemies to death as long as your charges/scrolls hold. Debuff devices like slow/confuse/sleep wands/staves can work agaisnt a surprising amount of threats if you need help while you're still needing basic essences. Use them a lot to get experienced with who you can cripple with what.

>>125816228
>It breathes
>You have died
>Do you want your 6 hours back?
>error 67: Haha no.
Frequent detection and knowing stat blocks is key. Knowing Sir Manabolt has entered the field while you're low on health from fighting the other asshats can save you.

>>125815396
No, not the thief quest, I think it's one of the quest that player get after I finished the Thief and Warg quest.
I thought I entered a shop or someone's basement or something in town.
It's not hard to give a "This quest is too fucking dangerous for your level at now. Proceed (Y/N) ?" when you press >.
Even DCSS give a fucking warning when you enter abyss or pan voluntarily.

Oh and I know rlg bitch about Tome a lot here.
But one thing Tome get right is random item drop from boss (call it quest in pcb).

>>125816362
A few of those guys are worse. The ones who treat the chat like a 90's AIM chatroom with an extra helping of "You should splat your guy doing stupid shit!!1 It's FUN XD"

>>125816795
Yeah, that trelanon is a fucking idiot. I wish he'd stop posting.

>>125815223
You can go into any *band and fix the keys in two seconds

Now ADOM, wtf is that shit, let's just kill two hours finding non-overlapping keys for all 800 commands

>>125816789
I dunno if it tells you on the screen they give it to you, but in the quest menu it tells you it's level 48, as does the pasta.

>>125816576
Oh, right. Should have thought of that before I memorized it. Good thing the points in charms can still go towards deflect missiles. Maybe.

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>>125816861
sir have I wronged you in some way

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First Dg win, first book win of any sort.

Shame I got Fire Storm castable right at the time I got my fifth rune, and I was too much of a pussy to tackle extended.

>>125817114
He thinks you're the guy who won the MuMo challenge first.

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>>125817146
Grats!

>>125817254
>trelanon
>a guy who played 2000 times and won four times
>awfulplayer
>winning MuMo

Nah.

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And after failing to get past Zig:5, the pharaoh attempts to flee Pandemonium, only to be sealed forever in the abyss.

>>125817335
that's true
I didn't win
grabbed a rune twice though, I did

>>125817424
My favourite part in crawl is grinding at Zig for artifacts repeatedly and quit at Zig:10-12.

>tfw it's removed in trunk
it feels like part of my enjoyment when playing crawl is gone for good forever

>that chat
it's like 90% of the people are discussing their things and 10% is trying to follow the game

>>125818035
Host gets /kick and /ban when?

>>125817931
>removed in trunk
How? What? Why?

So since IVAN forums are all sorts of dead, help me out /rlg/? Tryin to play CLIVAN, having a grand old time, but everytime I go into the gloomy cave, my game crashes. Sometimes as early as GC1, but it never lets me go past GC3. Anyone know what this might be or how to fix it?

>>125818330
>but everytime I go into the gloomy cave, my game crashes
...never happened to me in the history of ever. Where did you download the CLIVAN version?

>>125818267
Have to get a doodad from tomb:3 to open zigs. Then you need another doodad from zig:27 every time you want a new zig. done in order to punish degenerates who dip zigs

>>125818524
that's fucking retarded, dipping Zigs is a core part of the game

>>125818727
the shitpost spreads like wildfire, anon.

>>125818651
Exactly what they feel the opposite. Make your case in the tavern forums to get them to fuck off

>>125818638
Nigger shut the fuck up and talk with him. I don't need to see his dyke drama and I don't need you bringing your blog shit about you crying about blog shit where it doesn't belong into a thread it doesn't belong. Fucking


fucking
fuckers
shut up
shut the fuck up
this isn't your fucking blog fuck

>>125818856
>>125818638
Look on the bright side, at least the devs aren't posting about their homosexual liaisons this time.

How do I play Deep Dwarf Necro of Mek? I feel like my skill build has been all over the place in order to keep me alive.

So far I have:

Waraxe, buckler, mottled dragon hide
Fighting6, Axes7, Armor2, Dodge11
Shield4, SpCast6, Conj8, Necro11
Fire2, Invo10, Evo8, Slth2

Starting necro spells, Conj flame, meph cloud and swiftness.

So far I have managed to scrape through spamming vamp drain on everything, but I have a feeling I'm not going to make it very far once I finish lair here. What skill direction should I take from here? Anything else to look for?

>>125819778
Just paste your character dump into pastebin and link it next time.

>>125818493
http://sourceforge.net/projects/clivan/

The first result when googling CLIVAN. Trying some older versions now to see if that does the trick.

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Am I to be considered a filthy casual if I prefer my RL with some actual graphics?

>>125820543
nah, nah. it's the right one.

try starting a new character, maybe. It's weird.

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hope this bitch has rAcid

>>125820612
ultra casual
it provides no benefit while making it more difficult to see and understand what is going on

>>125820753
>provides no benefit
>making it more difficult
wouldn't that be the opposite of casual???

tile players: 1
ASCIIplebs: 0

>>125820630
Nah dude, this has happened to like 10-20 characters. It's driving me nuts, cause I just wanna die to the cool stuff

>>125820903
interface fuckery is casual and for babies who need to be distracted by shiny things instead of actual, cold, hard difficulty

>>125820945
wait, what system are you using?

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>>125814349
STREAM still live

Chosing my second psion power. Started with Graft Weapon. Considering Seeing or Travel, possibly Blending, Shielding, or Mana Thrust.

Just beat Dungeons Of Dredmor on Going Rogue. Not the most difficult of achievements, I know, but I'm pretty happy. It's actually the first roguelike I ever beat, after years of Nethack, DCSS, Rogue and some others.

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[Screams internally]

>>125821005
windows 8.1

>>125821312
Found your problem.

Run it in compatibility mode for windows xp.

>>125821081
Shielding or travel are probably the most useful if you want to hit things. Seeing is certainly convenient though.

Mana thrust is "that thing I start with so I can gain the first fifteen levels with zero effort and hope I need to use new life to forget it later".

>you have to spend feats to actually get higher levels in weapon mastery

Why? They aren't even that good.

>>125821357
Well fuck me, that did it. Thanks anon.

>>125821253
TWO
MINUTES

>>125821913
TO MIIIIIDDDDDNIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHTTT

>>125821859
I wouldn't have actually managed to understand the problem if I hadn't been using windows xp myself.

>clearing hell brancheS with a MuMo
fucking hell this is something to write home about.

>>125820612
That looks neat, like a diablo-style interface

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>>125820748
Covers my light weakness and half my blind weakness, no complaints there.

>>125821961
the 80's were a great time for Iron Maiden
the first (self-titled) album was shit and Killers is mediocre, but everything else up to and including Seventh Son is fucking GOAT
I mean seriously, is there a single bad song on Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, or Powerslave?

>>125822196
It's kind of eh since they can use shields. Takes the piss out of the challenge in my opinion. They're running high life, evasion, and can negate some of the biggest threats like iron shot/lcs

>>125822543
>the first (self-titled) album was shit

Running Free isn't bad.

Tartarus cleared.

Ereshkigal killed.

Fucking. Amazing.

>>125813496
Stream still up. If more folks want to come by to watch, and even better to chat, I'd appreciate the company.

Just finished Warg's quest as the graft-weapon psion. May go for some holiday cube soon.

>>125822725
Yeah and "Fear of the Dark" is a great song but I wouldn't want to listen to the rest of the album on loop like I would with Number of the Beast
Same with Tailgunner and Run Silent Run Deep

Actually I decided to give the self-titled a relisten and I'm liking it a lot more this time through. It's not the same Iron Maiden from Number of the Beast at all but it's still good music.
>>125823103
Start termcasting and I'll watch, I can't do twitch, you're running too high of a resolution for my bandwidth

>>125823232
>Start termcasting and I'll watch, I can't do twitch, you're running too high of a resolution for my bandwidth
RIP. Before going live I tried to build mpa-pcb for cygwin so I could termcast, but had trouble. If I can learn how to have it not build the -x11 related files it will work, but I'm not sure where I do that, and I didn't get an answer in IRC.

>}: 6/15 runes: decaying, silver, golden, bone, abyssal, gossamer

But he's going all out
7 runes

>>125821171

congrats.
now go ascend nethack, next.

>>125823473
He should be able to get all the hell runes and the demonic so he should he able to 11 rune.

>>125817335
He had pretty good attempts, likely better than yours since so few people got runes to begin with.

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I managed to sneak down to level 71 of dragon's lair and pick up loot off the floor without much issue, so how bad could mount olympus be.

A: Pretty bad

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I'm thinking chris buffed the generation of cursed artifacts and items. I'm absolutely loving the shit I find

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Dr Danaples died from starvation.

Is there a way to preserve food?

What do you do after killing plant queen? I sort of wandered around until I died from hunger.

>>125824017
Isn't olympus extended content?

HE'S IN SLIME 6

>>125815694
I got a dodge skillup from 5 to 10 on gasnatrok whtaever the fuck that ass's name is yesterday. They weren't kidding when they said they increased XP.

>>125813496
you sound like a raging homosexual if you aren't i suggest you fix your voice because you're sending gay signals all over the place

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This seems important.

>>125820612
Depends on what graphics.
>>125822210
Vulture is actually fucking awful.

>>125825153
Thanks anon. I'm not gay, fwiw.

>>125825417
no, it's pretty much makes your life shit since it makes you inbvisible.

Invisibility makes very bad stuff spawn to counter your buff.

>>125822543
>the first (self-titled) album was shit and Killers is mediocre
Don't make me smack you

about to join that cube draft, pcb between rounds

>>125826035
I decided to relisten instead of memeing and you're right, self-titled isn't a good Iron Maiden album but it's good music
Killers is still shit

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Ahahahha

>>125825857
I hate how most of IVAN is simply trying to approach the powerbalance bullshit metagame.

>>125826814
>trying to approach the powerbalance bullshit metagame.

please connect your brain before writing

>>125826612
22 non-ring slaying if I wear my ego hat of the troll. It'd be lovely if I had the cash for when damage rigns show up in the gamble shop.

>>125827073
>and then I'm gonna take a picture
>about how hardcore and cool this is
>because wow you have to love it

>>125827073
looks like a good plan to me

HE

DID

IT

>>125826981
>find a cloak with 10 slaying

I swear, all of the devs have a default personality of "snarky, passive aggressive asshole."

>>125828113
Grunt doesn't.

>>125828219
Grunt is Linley in disguise.

>-2 +2 slaying
>HURR DURR NO YOU CAN'T IT'S SLAYING EVEN IF IT'S NULLIFIED
fuck these people

>>125828113
That tends to happen when you get to deal with entitled bitches frequently.

>>125828219
that is because Grunt is based
also MarvinPA is pretty bro-tier
Eronarn was okay
Hangedman was too up his own ass in self-pity to do anything
>>125828454
All slaying is HARAM

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Never Lucky

>>125828515
>also MarvinPA is pretty bro-tier
He sometimes removes things I actually like, though. Like hammers.

>>125828661
Yeah but he trolls the fuck out of people with that shit and I have to admire that

>>125828775
I guess.

And orbrun. Looks like we're getting two pharaohs under the christmas tree this year.
Also 7 runes with half the turncount. I mean not that turncount honestly matters, but.

You know.

OR MAYBE NOT

>>125829472
It's not over yet, orbrun is easy because most chars do it with tons of consumables.

>>125829763
nah he's fine. panlords are more or less melting under his fists.

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Fucking thanos dropped and I have randarts on. Ermagawd. Ahhhhhhhhhrfhgahareyahbaht. Just fuck me. I have clone monster and all. Muh wyrm conga....

I WISH TO REPORT A BUG I HAVE FOUND FOR DUNGEON CRAWL STONE SOUP

>>125830196
WHAT? YOU BEAR AN ANCIENT, FOUL CURSE? WORKING AS INTENDED.

>>125828113
So they actually are SJWs? I thought that was a meme

>>125830337
NO THERE WAS NO ATTACHED PICTURE IN MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE BUG IS AS FOLLOWS:

Why is slaying so god damn rare? I like hardly ever see it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4AtqUkfd_c

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Thanks for the interest everybody.

P.S. I have all 29 hours or whatever recorded, I will upload them to youtube as soon as I figure out how exactly to do that.

>>125830773
DID I JUST COUNT SEVEN RUNES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>125830820
ALWAYS GO BEYOND

>>125830773
>>125830820
>>125830875
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TGalu36BHA

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I've finally done it. I chickened out of doing Pandemonium, though. Getting the orb out was actually extremely easy, for some reason.

>>125831719
>please, somebody, make it stop

>>125828286
Really? Based Linley desu