/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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I hate not having this shit.

SOON

So I got some webs and turned them into thread, but my loom keeps trying to make cloth out of them. How do I avoid my loom from making cloth out of the thread? I want the thread for my hospital.

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>Build a fine fort

>Walls and floors made of wood as far as the fort reach

Everhing is made in wood

>also after much strife managed to tame a Dragon

>Dragon sits in the opening of the fort guarding it

>Suddenlu Dinkhi the thief appears

Dragon goes full dragon force and unleash a firey breath of death and destruction

>trade depot on fire for the 36th time and entire farmlands are pit to the torch

Somehow my sturdy dam made of stone cracks and tthe entire river comes crashing down upon the central staircase

>Suddenly Hoarde of Demons invade from the depths they slaughter my guardpos and proceed up to the fort area

>water is floooding the entire industri flor and the dragon is taken by the current into the fort

Demon invasion get washed away with 80% of my population

somehow mangae to kick a dwarf to the lever room wich is under water closing off the residental area wich is partially under water

> Dwarf hero drowns in the lever room

>atleast all the children got washed away into the abyss

>Mayor declare ban on stonecraft export

>Dragon suddenly goes into a frenzy and start flaming

>fire rise and the entire fort is a sea of fire and screaming dwarfs

>Dragon luckly dies in a cave inn together with my entire food supply

>Fort is nothing more than a Graveyard with some PTSD induced limbing dwarfs

>Somehow the thief managed to survive the canrage and flees with my gem encrusted scepter


Sometimes i feel like the game is mocking me

>>123898561
o, W

>>123898685
Based, thanks for the help.

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>>123898584
>my sturdy dam made of stone cracks

Sloppy mistake.

>>123898584
thingsthatneverhappened.slab

>>123898901
Not as sloppy as "Dinkhi the thief" or "Suddenly demons".

However, since many of these seem to follow the same patterns, does that mean that they are, in fact, made by the same person?

>>123898960

Ive been working on that fortress for one year and it all crashed today

do you think toady uses a tileset?

>>123899493
Toady doesn't even play the game

He literally doesn't know what is dfhack

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Armok, no more childs plz

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>>123899493
Undoubtedly.

>>123899548
surely he has to 'play' it to test features

>>123899748

Naw he just wings it

>scamps will not be alive to see a completed Dwarf Fortress
feels bad man

When will the Virtual Reality pacth come out?

cant wait to see all the shenningans the dorfs are doing

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>>123900396
>VR patch is out
>it just turns your vision into ascii characters

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>DF goes VR
>everything looks the same

>>123900614
I'd use it

>>123898584
Is this post supposed to epitomize all the DF stories that are filled with bullshit?

New version when?

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>>123901251
Sooooooon

Curious, how'd your first Fortress get fucked, y'all?
>Doing fairly well, nice fortress set up.
>Not far in but good supplies, kick ass protected fortress.
>Shit, Water source got fucked, but is good, shit ton of beer.
>Shit ton of food.
>Winter is coming
>Prepared as shit.
>Water outside just freezes.
>Look to supplies.
>Where the fuck is all my beer.
>Just gone, maybe new kids went on a bing or something? fuck.
>All dwarves slowly die of dehydration, no supplies to make more drank.
>No one leaves the lowest level room.
>People will run out of the room only to die at the stairs.
>Stairwell of dead dwarves.
>Kids, mom and miner left.
>Miner loses it and kills kid's mom.
>Miner dies of dehydration the second after.
>Only one left is the kid.
>ohshitspring
>Runs outside as the water thaws out.
>close to death.
>Goes to take a drink from pond.
>Kid suddenly punted into the water by a fucking pissed capybara or something.
>Sinks like a stone, dead.

not shitposting but, has Toady said something about having sex in DF?

>>123900614
>>123900396
>>123900698
I would love to walk around my fort in VR ala Doom. Billboarded ASCII characters, fug that sounds amazing.

>>123901563
I didn't know how to brew and everyone died of thirst when the river froze.

>>123901563
I embarked with 2 cat

>>123901725
like, I know he wants to implement a lot of different stuff on the course of years to make the game the most fun and realistic posible, isnt he gonna put sex there somewhere?

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>>123902057

>>123902163
Sex itself will likely not be in the game. The implications of it and allowing adventurers to do it to produce offspring will though.

>>123901563
this
>>123901893
did it like 3 more times until I ended up running out of food

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>>123902057
Not my first fortress, but my slowest.

We'd also taken 2cat and had no idea how to deal with them, so we'd just end up taking potshots at the mob of cats as they'd swarm in and out of the fortress hunting butterflies.

Happy times.

Is there any way to make my dorfs do some sparring more often?

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>Child has started a party at Well.
HOW MANY LIVES UNTIL YOU ARE SATISFIED, YOU MONSTER.

>>123901563
One weirdly named corpse fucked up my fort. I'd made it to around forty dwarves and it just destroyed them all. Tried building a wall across the entry passage, but it got past before the dwarves managed build it.

>>123901563
Werebeast. I remember it being something really unassuming so I set a meeting area on it so dwarves would come close and hopefully attack it. They did kill it in the end and I had no idea it could infect people. A short while later my whole fort had werebeasts popping out of the woodwork.

>>123903294
You're the one claiming lives by letting the well be a place for partying.

>>123903543
>Clean out dozens of useless migrants with this one weird, old corpse

>>123903950
Eh, until I get the place fixed up, it seems to be the only place where i can keep them with only a slight chance of death.

Then again, there is literally a party every few minutes, so maybe it really isn't that much safer.

>>123904568
You know you can just zone a meeting area?

>>123903294
>well parties
>wow this water is the bomb
>what a fine well
>hey there's kids here, anyone have some booze for them
>BUCKET STAND! DO A BUCKET STAND!

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http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=109582.465

The two Likot translators accideantally doubleposted different translations.

I love how they both have a unique set of spelling and grammar errors.

>>123904760
I will give a friendly shake of the head and be on my way to fix this, mein friend.

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GUYS IT'S MY FIRST TIME REACHING 80 DORVES.

I'M SO HAPPY BECAUSE I DIDN'T FUCK UP SO FAR.

>>123903778
>werebeast

I guess werebeasts/zombies may be the only dangerous thing in this version for newbies right now, aside of course from complete ineptitude and failing to make enough food before the first immigration wave.

>>123901563
flooding. back in 40d, farming was broken and you had to figure out how to deal with floodgates and mechanisms from very early on. Also, died a whole lot from goblin attaks. It was actually much harder to learn the game before 0.30+, when farming was more complicated and there were no eggs

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>>123905386
>>123905121

>>123905386
>83 dorfs
>31 chrillen

suffering

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http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=154169.0

Looks like some bay12'er just had the spooky fort turning into ground glitch that I and at least one other anon had.

That's one more DF player who will always be on his guard from on.

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>>123905386

>>123905589
Yes, It's pure suffering, but I'm concentrating on the 80+ dwarves.

>>123905386
Bring up your [n]obles screen, and assign a bookeeper, then change his [s]ettings so that he keeps accurate count.

Then you'll get accurate figures for all your items there, as well as getting an exhaustively complete inventory when you check stocks, which can be incredibly useful.

>>123905443
How was it broken exactly? I started with 0.28 but I honestly don't remember much about the era. Well, other than losing a fort to coins.

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Last thread someone asked about making toggled engravings less of an eyekiller: >>123886908

That is why I always put the dark background around the + and the wall tiles.

You can do this yourself, the tiles with the black backgrounds at 50% opacity and the bottom right column tile. You use black because it doesn't show up on unengraved and it just makes engraved show up as a grey rather than eyekiller white.

>>123906515
There was a brief period when you'd need to get all ground muddy to farm it, it was unintentional and patched out.

Is the update coming in 30 mins according to his twitter post, or is my math awful?

>>123905679
Thanks a lot

>>123907618
give or take, assuming the 62 hour thing is definite.

So when the update drops will fucking ambushes and sieges work? I'd really fucking like to have some use for these traps.

>>123907618
It's 2 days and 14 hours, should be tomorrow afternoon.

>>123907956
They already mostly work, but yes, he's trying to fix them more.
If you can't get them working at all though, it's likely a problem on your end, so maybe you should figure it out before the update hits

>>123901563
Civil waterworks.

>>123908672
Bullshit. According to the wiki and this fucking general, goblin ambushes do not happen at all in DF2014.

>>123908850
You mean just a full on flowing waterworks? Even now im afraid to even build cisterns because of the shenanigens I got up to early on trying to build a well

>>123908917
Completely true, but sieges do happen even if they lack mounts and weaponmasters, and if you aren't seeing those it might be a problem with where you're embarking

>>123909178
I tried to carve an aqueduct.
Everyone drowned.

I have come far since then.

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>>123909178
Make sure you've got drainage and you don't have to worry about accidents, by making narrow corridors on the floor below you can make use of pressure to shift as much water as you want.

>>123909187
You shouldn't have to embark right next to a goblin metropolis to see goblins.

>>123909571
You shouldn't, but ya do.

The price you pay for playing alpha games, I'm sure there will be plenty of bugs in the new version to annoy.

>>123909571
And you won't in the next version.

I've never really understood why the reduced amount of sieges in this version pissed so many people off. It's annoying, but there are incredibly simple ways to counter it.

>dwarves flashing
>find out it means they are dehydrated
>can't access river because goblins
>didn't know alcohol production
>notice damp clay
>dig a channel beside the damp wall to be a trough
>dig into wall

>>123901563
Undead bull + necromancer, also I couldn't find any ores so all I had were archers with wooden bolts. I thought I could build a wall but I was at like 50 dwarves and dug deep but couldn't find shit, decided the mod I was playing sucks and just let the massacre happen

>>123901563
winter came and all my above ground water froze so i built a well with the source down in the caverns, fucking giant bats

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New here.
The white stuff I thought was snow, is actually skin melting muck.

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>>123910051
I miss the cave creatures you'd see around natural fissures.

I once made a fortress across one of those chasms you'd get, it was adorable when my dwarves broke through one of the cavern walls, they started naming the bugbats flying around in there.

At least until one of them flew into someone's bedroom and started savaging him in his sleep, I guess it was pissed that it didn't get a name.

>>123910447
Meant to ask, is here any way to get rid of it?

>>123910592
No. That's your biome's weather. You could set up a system to wash it off your dwarves though.

So I've been out of the loop. What's this new update supposed to add?

>>123911020
>Taverns, where your dwarves and outside wanderers can stop by
>Temples, that your tantruming dwarves can desecrate and get themselves cursed as a result (into wereanimals or vampires)
>Libraries, where scholars can write books, poetry, discover new concepts, and pass on knowledge
>>Examples of poetic forms: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/early_poetic_forms.html
>Performances such as dancing, singing, and playing music
>>Examples of dance forms: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/early_dance_forms.html
>>Examples of musical forms: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/early_musical_forms.html
>Wandering bards, dancers, singers, adventurers, mercenaries, and bandits can hang out in your tavern/inn. If they stay long enough, they can petition for full citizenship (with your approval). This can lead to multiracial forts.
>Your dwarves (and other critters) will get drunk if they drink enough booze.
>You dwarves (and adventurers) will have personal needs that will make them work faster if fulfilled (and slower if not fullfilled)
>Leisure time overhaul, kids will play with toys, make believe, parties will be found in taverns, where people can eat, drink, dance, sing, etc.
>Many bug fixes
>Many bugs
>Visitors can also request to do some other activities in your fort (eg. an adventurer might ask to be let into the caverns).
>Also previously trade good only trinkets like crafts, toys, instruments or mugs will now be used and worn by dorfs.

>>123909571
You don't have to embark right next to one, just near one, with no mountains/oceans in between. If you want two sizeable invasions per year until the end of time then yes, you do need to embark right next to one, but that makes sense

Is dragon occurance affected by proximity to a lair? Does it matter if im accross the map to one, or is there a radius in which it will vist? Also, it it more likely to come the closer i am or is it the same chance no matter how close/far I am?

>>123911586
they'll travel a long, long way to get to your fort if your wealth is high enough. I don't know how it's determined, but I guess it's likely that embarking right next to a dragon lair might draw it out sooner

I would be nice if key usage was consistent. Having different keys for columns while still having to shift between columns manually is absurd.

>>123911168
That all sounds pretty awesome. Thanks.

Is this enough to attract any unwelcome visitors? I want to give my sworddorfs a baptism of fire.

>>123911168
> Leisure time overhaul, kids will play with toys, make believe, parties will be found in taverns, where people can eat, drink, dance, sing, etc.

I'm concerned that dorf kids being adorable will make me hate them less and thus make it harder for me to kill them.

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>>123912601
Fuck, I'm dumb. Ignore the lack of an image in my original post.

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>>123911809
You could always embark on top of a dragon lair in the middle of horrifying woodlands because of a double-triple river intersection with a double waterfall.

I wouldn't suggest it though.

This game needs a better world gen system...

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>>123901563
I hate idlers, had my idlers constantly smoothing things, it was winter so I had them smoothing the ocean, then summer came.

>>123913782
I think the world gen is ok at the moment, I just wish that more of it carried on through gameplay

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>>123913903
This, despite the efforts which I and others have made, there is no real way to make the game progress larger chunks of time than a couple weeks.

I know Rumrusher was hacking at the adventurer sleep interface but I never figured out how or if it was actually possible to make them sleep for months, though you can definitely have the UI display "Sleep for 12859098345345 hours?" if you poke at it a little.

How do I make animals fall in my cage traps? I want some exotic giant animals.

>>123914852
Put them in choke points where animals will frequently try to path. eg. around a bridge, around the entrance to your fort, between two cliffs, whatever
check the wiki, too, if the specific animal you want to catch has "steals item/steals booze/steals food" then it's pretty much going to run straight at your fort

just realized crafting one boot/glove makes a pair. whoops

>>123915084
.. unless it's an artifact. good luck making a pair of those

>>123914852
I think larger creatures have to be stunned/attacked while on the trap. Ive never tried it but ive read if you can have web ontop of the cage trap it will capture mostly anything including megabeasts

>>123909776
I love stories like this. The first few playthroughs are so precious ^___^

what does it mean if the outpost liaison has been inside my fort for half a year? When the caravan came, he never met with my mayor, he is just sitting in my meeting area doing god knows what.

>>123915225
cages will catch anything that's not [TRAP_AVOID]. Size is irrelevant. They will catch dragons or macaques equally well.

>>123915584
It means he hasn't met with your mayor yet. Either because your mayor is too busy or because he can't physically reach him.

>>123913849
>smoothing
>the ocean
SMOOTHING THE OCEAN

>>123915695
hmm, I guess my mayor has been burning logs into coal for almost 2 years straight. Thought liaisons interrupted jobs.

>>123915872
It's not always in your control. Liaisons won't wake your mayor up or talk to him when he's "on break". He has to actually be idle.

>>123915702
Oh god that is amazing and I didn't notice it.

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That was fast

>>123917490
Honestly made me laugh.

>>123917490
>.99

>>123917490
Go smoothe an ocean.

>>123919880
I didn't mean literally.

I have over 1 million worth of wealth and 100+ dwarves yet I'm not getting attacked by any megabeast, semimegabeast or forgotten beast. Do I have to breach the caverns to get them or something?

Is there a way in-game or dfhack command to unforbid goblin christmas presents? Tired of doing it manually.

>>123923664
Forgotten beasts spawn in caverns, so I guess you would need them

Seventeen (17) hours left

>>123923816
I think it's under orders > forbid death items?

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>>123925309

Any bets on what version number we'll be on?

I'm guessing v44.

>>123917490
>That was fast
Guts, please, get back on the boat.

Though, is the update dropping at midnight, or noon? What was the math on his proclamation?

>>123926782
we jumped 6 last time so probably around 44-47

>>123929179
Roughly 7am tomorrow morning Australian Daylight Savings time

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>>123930115
fuckign

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why can't wrestlers sprawl?

>>123930686
What do you mean exactly?

>>123930816
Not him, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprawl_%28grappling%29

Pretty cool actually. Basically a defense against takedowns.

when will DF become casualized enough so that I don't have to slog through xbawks hueg tutorials to learn it

>>123931698
in like 3010

>>123931698
you already don't. unless you mean having the wiki open in the background to refer to occasionally, in which case never

>>123931813
>>123931942
I haven't tried to get into it for at least a year, I'll probably learn it on some lonely night desu

Godspeed anons

>>123932165
it's really not that tough with the wiki. The hardest part is the UI, once you get the hang of that everything comes together pretty quick. It's also really fortunate that dfg is one of the only worthwhile generals on the site so you can come here and ask questions about stuff the wiki can't help with.

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The question is should I get a continuation. That's pretty good of a story

So, my dwarf has apparently made a masterpiece plum wooden training spear on his own.
He took a training spear.
And sharpened it to a fine fucking edge, fit for killing.

I fucking love him.

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>>123933770
you mean not as an artifact? he just went to a workshop and and made a training spear without your imput?

>>123933770
Of course it takes a dwarf to hone what elves can not.

>>123931698
This is a great, short, concise tutorial, I learnt off it myself when I started. It comes with a pre-ready save and he guides you through it.

http://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/

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>>123934189
I swear to god he just did, don't get why.
All Iv been telling my dwarves to do is dig at the moment, suddenly, hey, training spear fit for killing a man. I aint going to argue.


Funny enough, my other dwarf, dyer then went insane and started beating up a child at a party.
Shits getting violent up in here.

>>123935537
He didn't take an existing spear. He just made an entirely new one.

>>123935791
Ah, thats what I meant.
Like, he went out of his way, look some wood and went, hey, Im gonna make the greatest goddamn training spear I will.

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Hmmm.

So I've been having fun with my new stupid Kisat Dur trick.

I did a version without the tree by having an unconscious foe and launching myself skyward then just landing on them... exploded once, gotta be careful with that. If they bleed out before you land it really hurts.

Then I was having fun powerbombing this group of goblins and a human that were skirmishing and ended up punching the human into a shallow pond.

A pond with a tree right beside it.

...so I climbed up and while he floundered in the water, I reached the top and let go.

I kinda feel bad for what happened next.

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>>123935537
Oh fuck ahahaha
Kid punches his fist into his goddamn intestines, then everyone just..punches him in the head until its nothing but paste.
Then the soap maker just bends every limb until it breaks. Like, every limb.
The dyer has been uncontious since page one, it goes on for 18 pages of head punching and limb breaking.
==Then the animals get in on the action, tearing him apart==
All he got to do was punch one dwarf in the ear.

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>>123936610
Hah, funny glitch.

If you stick an item into someone's leg and they lose hold of their shield as they go to pull it out and pass out, it just shows as "reorganizes their possessions" apparently.

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Well, the kid is definitely fucked.
>No need to feel vengeful.
>No need to feel vengeful.
>Beats dyer's head to paste with his fists.
>I will have my revenge.
>I will have my revenge.
>I will have my revenge.
Continued, apparently.

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>>123938230
I guess all went well in the end.

>>123938418
He has the personality of warlord.
Someone who would press their way to the top, if at first just so they could be comfortable to their self, but then to set the world alight with beautiful havoc.

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Do we keep the current thread going when the new version is released or do we make a new thread with an updated OP?

>>123940419
If this were a just world, we'd sticky for every release version release. But it isn't, and I find no reason to make a new thread.

>>123940419
Keep it. /dfg/ is /dfg/, regardless of the version. It's poor board etiquette to start a new general before the old one hits the bump limit. Besides, the update babbies will come flooding in pretty soon, we'll hit bump limit on this thread quick.

>>123940913
>>123940419
Yeah. When the update hits people are going to scroll down anyway
better to wait till the shits out. When it hits download it to yourself, wait like, two hours then someone make a thread on /v/
if we drum up intrest the thread will pick up speed and we can update it then.
regardless inviting /v/ or not the new update will draw in newfags so its probably best if we prepare for that instead

>>123899643
fix your precision, dear god

Are there actually any real strategies for digging Adamantine? I usually take only the top layer or two, but it isn't nearly enough.

>>123912816
>>123912601
>swordsdwarves
>not swordmasters
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Danger_room

>>123941914
>suggesting people use a danger room in this version

There is no reason for it.

Alright, I jerked off four times, send the pets to grandmas, and put the shock collars on the kids
Update when?

>>123943029
>read that as "jerked off four kids, and put the pet collars on grandma"
...I'm going to bed.

Is there some sort of DFhack command that speeds up the passage of time?

>>123941762
sometimes you just get unlucky, but if you're on a decent sized map you'll at least have a few veins to mine. exploring the caverns/magma sea can help you find them all

>>123942171
There is though: it is fast as shit.

>>123935207
...
Are you seriously suggesting a new player try to learn DF with a tutorial for 23a?

>>123943748
As is the regular training speed. I can only see it being useful if you are in dire need of a military immediately.

>>123944098
All of that guide applies to the current version.

>>123941762
If you don't mind exploits, there's a really easy way to know exactly where the hellmaw is in the tube. Dwarven sonar:
From the build menu designate a 10x10 farm plot over the top of the tube. Don't actually place it (you shouldn't be able to anyway if you're doing it right).
Scrolling down through unrevealed z levels over the tube, every place where there are no floors will just say "Blocked".
When you reach a z-level that has a floor in any of the tiles that the farm plot is designated over, it will say "Blocked" AND "Need soil or mud."
That z-level is the top of the hollow portion of the tube. It, and every z-level below it, is unsafe to mine.

>>123941914
>using obsolete memes
Just spar, Anon, it's the new danger room.

12 hours left

go to sleep, americans

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>>123945287
>sleeping when df is going to update soon

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Someone on the forums made a counter for the remaining time until the update:

http://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/20151202120000am/w5260a/1/Time_until_Dwarf_Fortress_update

>>123944098
What's the problem? Have the basic mechanics of the game like digging and farming been radically altered since then?

No? Then fuck off

>>123941762
There is a really good method, but it assumes that you don't breach the eerie caverns on the first or second layer.

It's simple: you dig out the first layer, make a downward staircase onto the next layer, but before you start digging the next layer out, you cover the staircase with a hatch cover.

If you breach the eerie caverns, you can just wait for your miner to safely withdraw up the staircase, before locking the hatch covers. Building destroyers can't destroy locked hatch covers from below, meaning that the demons won't get through.

>>123946203
Isn't it only 12 hours?

>>123946657
I always just used a bridge to wall off the lone miner I send down there as an ambassador to the demons
Usually you can safely mine the first ~10 layers of adamantite as they tend to be plugged so it works out

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digging in adventure mode when toady when?!

all these gems just taunting you!

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>>123946851
Counter says no.

>>123946990
Isn't one of the development goals to remove the wall between adventure and fort mode?
Do you think df will actually ever reach the end of its development cycle?

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>>123947323
>implying the Toad has ever given shit about dev goals

Soon, I will be able to play a Plump Helmet Man adventurer.
The dorfs will rue the day they brewed my lesser kin.

Though, I wonder if the Iron Men or Blizzard Men (etc.) will be playable as well.

Does it matter whether I dye cloth or thread?

>>123947323
Both modes have ever been so far just slapshod vehicles for the player to interact with the simulation. It is the eventual intent for the boundary between to be able to be crossed seamlessly (or as close to as possible) during active play, with the whole world open to direct interaction as an organic process.

>>123947696
I think it adds value.

I don't do it, however: I don't want the increased diversity.

If I just make tha same four articles of clothing out of silk(usually shirt, trousers, socks and shoes) it will look like my civvies are wearing uniforms, and I like that.

>>123946851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oci1CuCht7E

>>123947696
more value, and dwarves who like that color should get a boost to happiness for seeing/wearing it.

>>123947882
you could in theory dye cloth specifically so that your high quality clothiers will produce for the military, while the trainees can produce for the general population. this is done by specifying the color of the clothing in the military uniforms screen.
if you specify robes, the military will grab any robes. if you specify blue robes, only dimple-cup midnight blue dyed robes will be used.

>>123906995
That's when I started playing.

I kind of suck at DF, but I sure feel old crew now. The new versions are still boring me to death.

My biggest threat is not having the right material for a strange mood dwarf and a murder leading to a tantrum spiral.

Needs more fun.

>>123949474
Nah I mean, whether it's the cloth I dye or the thread. Not whether it'd dyed at all.

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>>123911168
>Many bugs

Sounds bloody awesome though. Hope it goes back to the old way of having lots of attacks.

>>123949615
it doesn't matter which one is dyed first

the only time you might want to dye thread first is if you want to improve the trade quality for a caravan that's requested threads instead of cloth.

>>123947072
Top kek little britain.

My hard drive just crashed. Diagnostics report that it has taken a serious shit. My computer is now unusable, pending repair and replacement.

On the eve of the update, travesty. Such cruel fate!

Assuage me, /dfg/. Tell me of how you will manage your immigration policy.

>>123950970

Build above ground mansions for the new Elven overlords.

>>123947323

Knowing toady he's going to put that off until most of the game's features are implemented. Trying to figure out how the fuck to merge the difference of how time passes in Dwarf Mode versus Adventure Mode is going to be a hell of a lot of work.

>>123949474
Dwarves don't actually get any thoughts (happy or otherwise) from clothing. Or any equipped items, for that matter. Lack of clothing, on the other hand...
Their material/color preferences will have an effect on the quality of items they produce that fit those preferences, though.

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>>123950970
Hungarian style

>>123946276
Just from glancing over the first page, I see that the tutorial still uses d p for plant gathering, which is a basic mechanic that has changed. It has single tile trees as well. It also still has the carp meme.
I'm not gonna read the whole thing to document all of its obsolesence for you, or to point out the newer mechanics that aren't covered. I really shouldn't even have to make the argument in the first place, that an almost 7 year old tutorial is a poor introduction to the game for a new player. And on the eve of (yet another) major update, no less.

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>>123952278

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>>123952278
Not that anon, but "d-p" is still in the game, and it has its pros compared to the new "gathering zones". For example, if you live in a biome with dangerous weather, you might just want to ask your gatherers to pick a few plants and then get the fuck back inside, rather than spend all their time outside.

Single tile trees, while they yieald less wood, basically work the same as multi tile dittos. You didn't have to re-learn everything you knew about wood-cutting just because they were added.

You're right about the carp, though.

>>123952664
>Single tile trees, while they yieald less wood

Which doesn't even matter because in that version they grow ultra fast.

The guy bitching about that guide seems to be doing so just to bitch.

>>123952390
Why are you calling him a redditor for pointing out how outdated that guide is?

It's dwarf fortress, if we're going to be of any assistance to people you're going to need to buck up your autism and get anal about little details. New players already have enough trouble getting to grips with the game without having to wonder why the guide isn't warning them about trees falling on woodcutters or whatever myriad of issues they could run into.

You can herpaderp all you want about reddit and fedoras, we're going to keep being autistic about this shit so that we can actually help new players.

>>123911168
This will all be in Fortress Mode as well coming patch?

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>>123952664
You shouldn't use d-p for plant gathering?

What do you do instead?

>>123955142
i, p is the long term method for doing it.

When can we expect the first tilesets to update? I tried playing ascii when .40 dropped and I just cant get used to tiles not being unbroken squares. Call me a casual but I really need them to get immersed in my fort

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>>123955406
Whenever you like, here's a version of Myne for the next version.

>>123943623
I think 'fastdwarf [0/1/2] speeds up units, but not the calender. 0 is off, 1 is just dwarves and 2 is all units.

Anyone remember the hospital container bug? Is that still in?

>>123954323
Im almost certain this is all for fortress mode. I know that in adventure mode you can get a job in the tavern as a performer, but it has no real benefits at the moment other than a place to sleep.

>>123955534
Will something like phoebus work? in .40 it would be ok for a while but it caused crashes and things like the new trees were just white blocks.
>>123955796
If you mean the one where dwarves would steal cloth and thread from caravans for the hospital im almost certain that has been patached out.

>>123956002
Ha, shame.

>>123956002
No, graphics packs you'll have to wait to be updated.

I don't think it takes too long, but it's hours of work so it'll be down to the schedule and attention of whoever is maintaining it.

Is CLAnon lurking?

>>123956095
>CLAnon
Isn't that just MaxTM?

>dwarves won't just mine down
>can't sacrifice a dwarf so I can build an well to an underground lake

This is fucking annoying desu

>>123957756
Just channel down - d-h

>>123957868
That's what I'm trying to do m8. The dwarf will dig down until he realises he won't be able to get out and stops.

Don't remember them doing that before.

how maek cpu efficient fort?

>>123958226
small world/less history
less doors and open spaces
Designate high traffic areas and low traffic properly
Dont breech caverns unless you absolutely need/want to
Turn off temperature if it gets really bad
use cleanall in dfhack
autodump destroy useless gobbo drops

Does twitter use your local timezone? Its just occured to me while reading this thread that it may not be 20 mins away. Lots of people seem to be saying different times also.

What are the ideal computer specs for dorf fort? I have a decent laptop but it doesnt run very fast. I used to play until a couple years ago on a 2007 netbook and it tan about the same as now.
Also, I think the job mánager that comes with dfhack + macros beats the shit out of the rapist.

>>123958597
I guess it really wasnt coming out at noon ;_;
Hopefully 6PM is the actual release time, my heart cant take this

>>123959610
He probably got sidetracked estimating the contents of a dwarven puke. Enjoy the February release.

>>123958597
http://www.webcountdown.net/?c=1448982240

>>123956095
>CLAnon
Standing by.
I don't think it will take long.
The only cases where it takes longer for a tileset to release is a) when you have a tileset that is used with changed raws and the raws changed. You'd have to manually update the raws to be compatible with your tileset.
With any diff tool, this doesn't take much time though.
And b) when new items are added you want to draw.
You still could release something that works fine with the new version in the meantime though.

For this release, I can't think of any items that will be added (instruments and books already exist), but the raws will probably contain changes.
Anyway, most tilesets and graphic packs will be released within a few days. And if the trend of recent releases is to be believed, dfhack, and the various lazy newb packs won't take as long as they used to either.

Personally, I'll download the release, Look at the changelog, diff the raws and init files, make necessary adjustments, upload it packed with CLA and wait for the first guy to tell what retarded mistake I made this time.

Playing an Elf fort currently. Everything goes harmoniously except God damn giant keas keep stealing my stuff and my elves refuse to do anything about it. I tried to play it off as some sort of natural communism, but where does a bird need stepladders?

>>123960561
Giant kea were a mistake.

>>123959051
DF is CPU and RAM speed limited. The wiki discusses it at length. You would want high single threaded performance CPU and high speed low latency ram. Or to make it simple, the newest processor possible.

So, I'm having an issue keeping my workshops going over a third of the time. Should I have singular dwarves dedicated to jobs, that are single trade artisans, and just have a dwarves hauling class, which live in the Commie blocks, and wheel around boulders?

>>123962759
Assuming you're talking about a general non-specialized, mature fortress:
In most cases you want at least one if not more dedicated dwarves for workshops. Usually several of the most used workshops - possibly with different skill levels allowed. So your legendary mason can make the good stuff you need, while some asshole makes all the blocks for constructions on a separate workshop.

As you want to maximize the time your legendary metalsmith is actually making god-tier weapons, you don't want him to waste time with useless shit like hauling those very weapons.

So yes absolutely, separate haulers.

Also, nobody wheels around boulders - you build temporary mason workshops close to the boulders instead.
If you need a lot of boulders all the time (for a big construction), start a dedicated quarry somewhere.

>>123962759

Enable all labours on all dwarves and let them do what ever they want. Free job market will fix it.

>>123963272
And in case it wasn't clear, here's an example:

2-3 legendary masons, doing nothing but masonry.
1-2 mason's workshops allowing only legendary masons
Those are for your important stuff.

1-4 shit masons depending on your needs, doing nothing but masonry
1-3 mason's workshops allowing only shit masons
That's for the stuff where quality doesn't matter.

Another mason's workshop right where your quarry, active excavation site or current mineshaft is. Make blocks on repeat.

>>123947519
u retarded?
he is the dev, he has goals. all he cares about is dev goals. what the fuck do you think he's doing, our goals?

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Dwarf fort 1944.

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>>123957095
I try to avoid being confused for the artists wherever possible, but no, I am absolutely not CLA. I love the shit out of what they do, and I made a big nonsquare version, but I wasn't the one who came up with it.

The only reason a tileset wouldn't work, is as: >>123960229 says, you use edited raws and they are changed. It is possible that this might be the case for some sets that have the instruments using a different tile, but the more ascii like the set is the faster it will be compatible. I'll be swapping in my Curses+1 and editing the init.txt right after the download finishes because they should just work immediately.

Probably we will be able to specify which graphics a bard uses as a profession, same with inn-keeper/tavern worker I guess.

Then I'll diff my own mod and make sure it all works right, if I don't just rebuild it step by step into the new version, which I was thinking of doing anyways.

My counters are saying 7 hours btw.

Naturally once I get it downloaded I'll be checking to see what retarded mistakes CLA made, if any.

>>123964956
Dorfs are soviet you dumbass, humans are amerifats and britbongs, elves are frogs, gobbos are pasta and necromancers are literally hitler

>>123964956
Nice.
>>123965169
>>123960229
There should also be "new" tiles for bookshelves and stationary instruments.

>>123966571
Those should be a matter of raw changes pointing to the relevant tiles though.

>>123965227
If it was 1944 it'd just be burgers

>>123897892
Mod it in then.
I doubt adding new minerals is hard.

Unless I'm mistaken, it's less than 5 hours now, huh?
Time flies so fast.

>>123968219
http://www.webcountdown.net/?c=1448982240

Less than 6 I think.

>>123968740
>http://www.webcountdown.net/?c=1448982240
It's already over for me.
guess it doesn't adjust for timezones

>62 hours until you too can enjoy
>22:04 - 28 nov 2015

Release Date:
12.04 - 01 dec 2015

They're late!

>>123969926
is he on west coast or east coast

>>123970203
west. and it's 7:42 here

I'm in CST and the tweet went up at 12:04 am Nov 29, I'm thinking 2 PM today, or a bit over 4 hours?

>>123970203
I mean, he gave a set of hours, not a specific time, so I'm not sure that really matters?

>>123970203
The date on twitter is synchronized to your time zone. Add 62h to the date you see in the post.

twitter.com/bay12games

>>123970420
Was thinking the same. Damn.

>>123947519
what the fuck are you even talking about?

Where is the update you goddamn frog
You promised me an update
What am I supposed to do with my life now?

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UPDATE
UPDATE
UPDATE
UPDATE
COME AND GET IT

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>>123973076

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So, manual DDoS of Bay12 games?

Turns out, update was a lie, and we were just being tested on how much we wanted it.
We failed, because one person was in the bathroom at the time.

>>123973773
We failed, because one person likes elves.

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>>123973773
I wanted it double while he was away!

never had an active fort during a big update before, are forts typically transferable to new patches?

>>123975338
Usually No, especially in jumps like this. I'n smaller updates, sometimes yes.

>>123975338
Nope.

U P D A T E H Y P E
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H
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P
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>>123975419
>>123975491
What about worlds?

>>123975852
Same result.

>>123975852
That's the thing that's incompatible, your fortress is just part of that problem.

>>123975954
What about my hatred for anything not dwarven?
Is that transferable?

>>123976057
Always.

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>>123976057
>>123976172
Actually, that's probably going to need some tweaking at the very least, it's no good hating everything that's not dwarven when you've got dwarves in your fort who aren't worshiping Reg.

>>123976057
Not to this update. Embrace the multicultural future!

>>123976351
Dwarfquisition and forced conversions when?

>>123974067

That's me.

Currently enjoying my elf fort in thr old version.

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>>123976537
Sweet drunken mother of Reg

IT'S TIME TO ACTIVATE THE BOOZE NOW.

>>123976965
Liquid booze when?

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>>123976537

>>123977081
Booze requiring water to make when?

>>123966571
>bookshelves and stationary instruments.
Thanks, didn't think of that.

>>123976537
delete this

>>123977238
>Diluting the booze

That's just a tantrum spiral waiting to happen.

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>>123977238
Are we going to have to have water available for our diverse and multicultural forts, or will they be able to subside on alcohol?

>>123977238
>Winter comes
>Dwarves run out of booze
>Its fine Iv got wat-
>Used all the water making the booze.
Shiiiiiit

>>123977426
Why can't we just build a water deposit underground?

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>>123977203
I still hate this comic to a slightly irrational degree.

>>123977576
I can't ever get underground water right, unless I pump it from caverns. I refuse to use corners to remove pressure since it feels cheesy, and using floodgates to manage pressure gets dicey since I usually have the levers by the well its supplying

>>123977921
Can water level trigger pressure plates?
I have an idea.

https://countingdownto.com/countdown/dwarf-fortress-0-42-01-release-countdown-clock

>download the fortress defence mod
>embark somewhere were I can get accessed by as many enemies as possible
>get around 1,5 million in wealth
>breach the caverns
>still not attacked AT ALL

>>123978926
reminder that you need 80 dwarves for sieges

So does pulling hundreds and hundreds of fish out of a river lead to extinctions ever, or is that only for non-vermin?

new player here.

i have small stockpiles by my workshops(in the workshop floor). one linked as input, the other as output of the workshop. in this case carpenter's workshop.
unfortunately i am going to have many general purpose giant stockpiles for wood in my stockpile floor, and certainly that workshop won't be the only one using wood.

how do i get my haulers to give priority to filling the "wood input" 's stockpile of workshops when hauling wood? if i had a priority hauling function it would be easier instead of having to chain different tockpiles together.

>>123979031
I forgot to add that I have over 100 dwarves

>>123979127
River fishing never ends

>>123979127
is it possible to create an extension of a river, and have it run off the map? for example, if I want to extend a river closer to my fort entrance so my fisherdwarves don't have to walk halfwaya cross the map to fish, thus getting destroyed by invaders.

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>>123978089
Yes, quite specifically too.

>yfw toady doesn't actually release the new version until next year
>hehehe

>>123979131
Make the woodworker's stockpiles not accept from [a]nywhere other than stockpile connections.

he he he

>>123979487
Then it shouldn't be that hard to make a deposit with a pressure plate that closes it once it has filled, no?

HOLY SHIT

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>start new fortress in fresh world
>look up civilizations
>king/Goblin Potter
>meh must be a bug with job titles or something
>get an artifact later
>relates to the ascension of the goblin asen defenselabors to the position of king of the vessel of submerging
>well fuck

How much FUN am I to expect if i ever get the king to move to my fortress?

And here I was wondering why /dfg/ made it to the top of /vg/.

>>123979657
It's quite common to create a reservoir that automatically opens to refill once it lowers beyond a certain point.

I'm pretty sure the wiki has information on it.

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>>123979657
That sounds pretty trivial, what are you building?

>>123979607
but do i need to link them to other stockpiles? can i have 3 workshops, each with its own small stockpile, drawing from 1 or 2 giant chaotic wood stockpiles?

>>123979241
Super. Next question, do dorfs only produce a ghost over a certain age or should I worry about the baby which fell in the river, drowned, and was proclaimed lost?

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he he he

>>123979772
Your civ was taken over by goblins.

>>123980027
You seem to be able to link stuff up however you like, try to avoid having long chains of stockpiles though, minimize the trips from the feeder stockpiles to destinations.

>>123979868
Hey, we bounce off it from time to time.

Prepared meal price nerf when?
It's fucking ridiculous how roasted plump helmet takeaway can cost several golden statues.

>>123978926
>>123979190

Anyone got any ideas why nothing is happening? I got so much dosh I think I might even become the mountainhomes soon if I keep giving the carvans gifts

>>123980209
>implying the game will be updated this decade

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>>123980092
>literally sitting in here and asking basic questions anyone with common sense or a few hours in the game should know

I hate updates.

>>123980003
>>123979945
>>123979487
Screw you guys, I'm a new player and I tough I found something on my own.

Now I see complex stuff I don't even know if I can stand looking at my basic forts any more.

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>>123980209
Gold is worthless, it should be cheap, there's nothing to fix.

>>123980250
dumb frogposter

Haven't played in like a year, what's new-ish?

>>123980378
nothing

>>123980378
Nothing, happenings are called off. Everybody go home, no update.

>>123980378
the next update (which is supposed to come out in a couple hours) will include:


fort and adventure mode taverns where intelligent critters gather to drink, dance, and sing
procedurally generated song and dance art forms
new types of instruments (including ones that are built like furniture)
instruments are actually used to produce music
music and dance forms are communicated through observation and apprenticeship
in adventure mode you can form a troupe of performers
a framework was added for inebriation based on consumption of alcohol
books, scrolls, and quires can be created in fortress mode
scholars of various disciplines discover facts and record them in writing
scribes make copies of texts
you can create libraries in fortress mode
knowledge can be shared/transferred via texts
visitors will come to your fortress to study your texts
visitors will come to your fortress to fight monsters in the caverns
visitors can petition to join your fortress
visitors will hang out in your tavern
taverns will spontaneously break out into song and dance
taverns use mugs and goblets
children play with toys
citizens wear jewelry if they feel like it
you can create non-dwarf sized clothing and armor for the benefit of your non-dwarf residents
you can designate temple zones to honor various deities
idle dwarves no longer "party" but instead relax at the tavern, worship at the temple, study at the library, play with toys, or whatever, depending on their needs and desires
the new needs and desires system gives critters some kind of focus bonus when all their needs are met
toppling statues in a temple counts as defacing it and will result in a curse (werecreature or vampire) in both fort and adventure mode
you can play as an animal person in adventure mode

>>123980486
>believing the update will be released
hehehehehehehehe

>>123980108
Hm i am not sure if the other nobles are goblins too, but the dwarven caravans never have a liason with them.

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>>123980252
Some guy made a calculator, some guy made a fortress with 580 dwarves, some guy made a fortress in hell, some guy made a fortress worth more than all of our grandest fortresses combined, some guy murdered everything and raped an elf child.

It doesn't diminish your own achievements, you're going to miss those basic forts you 'can't stand looking at' when you progress your playstyles, take joy in the inception of creation and fucking make whatever the fuck you want from the game.

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he he he

>>123980486
>all this dancing and singing and writing crap
When will toady stop adding this useless shit? Is there even a half working economy system yet?

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he he he

>>123980724

if you want a game instead of a fantasy world simulator, go play gnomoria

>>123980724
No he added
>dancing
>singing
>poems
>books
>taverns
and it took him an entire year!

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>dwarf fortress updates
>everyone and their mother comes to /dfg/ and starts shitposting for the next month

I prefer it when we're a half-dead club of people that actually talk about the game.

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>>123980724
>complaining about useless shit in DF of all games

Can bogeymen climb trees?

>>123980957
Yes

Can fish drown?

>>123980969
so If i climb a tree and sleep I will die?

>>123981007
Yes

>>123980724
>not realizing useless shit is what makes DF special

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>>123981079

>>123981079
No

I'm confused about adamantine.
Can I make adamantine clothes from both wafers and cloth? The wiki seems to think so.

>>123981281
The wiki is pretty clear from what I'm reading. You can figure it out on your own, I'm sure.

>>123981281
yes

maybe

no

>>123981221
>>123981193
I tried to climb a tree. I fell. I died from bloodloss.

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>>123981540
Another victory for dwarven science!

>Upgrade from an earlier release by running the 'copy my data' script with both versions next to each other in a folder.

What did he mean by this?

>>123981715
I blame the elves for making the tree so goddam deadly.