/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

AWOOO

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>dat music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx8KTIeSnzs

Have been doing nothing but PvE since release. BL is way over 200. Really wanna start getting into PvP but starting all over seems so daunting.
How do I approach this?

>heavy gems in the BoM

This shouldn't be allowed.

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>>123854285
Holy fuck, lost my shit I admit.

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nth for comfy weapons. Is anyone else having trouble leaving their comfy vanilla BB weapons despite the delicious DLC weapons?

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>shit ton of enemy variety
>no skeleton or vampire enemies

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>>123854285

>>123854332
Make a new character

>>123854338
>Sacrifice two 27.2% gems
>Its Strength scaling is now barely better than its base Skill scaling

So powerful!

>>123854332
>>123854436

Duh. Key things to consider? Level thresholds etc.?

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>>123854403
But you ARE the vampire, good hunter!

REMOVE VERMIN

>>123854285

I've never laughed so hard in a long fucking time. Good job anon.

>>123854496
I AM GETTING THAT WHIRILYGIG REAL SOON
HANG IN THERE FELLOW CONFEDERATE

Where is crazy japanese dlc pvp? I need videos

What's your favorite enemy(NOT boss) in the game? I love the carrion crows and kidnappers.

>>123854479
People here will say don't go above 98. Have an attack stat at 50. Vit between 30 and 50. Leave endurance at base. That's about all I got.

>>123854403
Hunters are essentially vampires, anon. Think about it, have superhuman strength, endurance, and reflexes and chug blood all day to regenerate. Vilebloods in particular are just obvious about it.

Also, skeletons don't have blood, they have no business being in a game called Bloodborne.

>>123854583
Can't decide on a favorite right now but I FUCKIN HATE the Madmen/Sages. Them running/charging at you is so fucking erratic and scary.

>>123854613
>what is bone marrow

>I got an idea for a small area prior to hemwick
>it's a graveyard in a forest
>we put 20 enemies with guns around
>the colour scheme is something I like to call "just blend my shit together so nothing sticks out"
>the fans will love it

>>123854613
They could just make the skeletons out of crystallized blood or something.

>>123854613
What the fuck are these then?

>>123854583
Madmen or Fishmen

>>123854602
If I'm going for Beast Cutter I ought to go 25/25 str/skill?
>inb4 shit weapon

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>>123854692
Forgot pic

>Beastfags actually thinking the jump attack is viable in PVP
>Are actually surprised when you easily sidestep their massively telegraphed attack with absolutely no tracking and get a few free hits on them

>>123854735
I'd go 50/25 but that's just me.

>>123854780
lanklet

>>123854613
In the Hunter's Nightmare, I wanted to see more of the bloodied-up skeletons scattered around the ground. To see some of them up and moving was just chilling to see. Just imagine them clumsily swinging a broken trick weapon at you, moaning in pain and dying to a single attack with a sigh.

>>123854780
A mistake.

>>123854780
Supermodels.

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> mfw kiting hunters into giants in fishing hamlet

It's like you don't even want your echoes.

>>123854797
then I'll have to sacrifice some vit I guess.

Thanks for the tips anon.

>>123854613
>skeletons have no place in bloodborne

What about Paarl?

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So every attack the boom hammer does besides the transformation attack is blunt right?

>>123854583

brainsuckers

i find them totally infuriating when im fighting them, then when im done i realize i love how perfectly soulsy punishing they are for being stupid

kidnappers are pretty hot too
>that first time you encounter one and this slow ass bitch does a n instant 10 yard jump and OHKOs you

Is there any footage of what the Doll says about Gehrman after you beat the DLC?
I've seen people talk about it, but have never seen it.

Why is fextra so full of shitters?

"Bad Boss

This is just pure bad boss design. Sorry From Soft, as much as I enjoyed Orphan of Kos and Lady Maria, Laurence is just lazy boss design. Not only it is a reskinned Cleric Beast, but you also:
- Gave him an insane amount of damage to compensate for the fact it is a reskinned version of one of the easiest bosses in the game
- Gave him AoE on every attack, just to make sure those are hard to avoid, since everyone already knows Cleric Beast's moveset
- Gave him an absurdly overpower second phase, with massive damage and repetitive moveset, that is at the same time really hard to dodge.
- Placed him on a TERRIBLE place for the fight, making his second phase even more strong.
This is just a stupid way to make the fight hard. I simply cannot beat this boss on my main character (on NG+++). Hell, I even suffered with one of my PvP character on regular NG."

Do people seriously believe Laurence is cheaply designed and full of artificial difficulty?

For me it was trial & error. Sooner or later you will figure his windows & patterns out.

Also, I'm upset that people talk shit about my favorite Boss in the DLC.

Used to condemn him while doing all the tries but have grown to love his fight & theme.

What are some fun weapons to pair with the gatling gun?
Stake Driver?
Wheel?
Chikage?

>>123855170
Amygdala Arm
Hunter Axe

>>123855167

>defending firesage demon

>>123854583
I don't really have a favorite, personally, but I love how rewarding it feels to take out a Hunter Mob early in the game. It just feels really satisfying and shows how not-a-beast you are compared to their clumsy-ass movements.

So I just +10'd my ayylium but just realised it can't be fire or bolt, and I have no other gems.

What's best with these? Nourishing?
Any place to farm to get some low level radials?

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>>123854479
>Level thresholds

Depends on what kind of invasion you wantin' fa.m.

43 for absolute beginner invasions, hunting in Old Yharnam/Cathedral Ward/Forest n' shit.

60-70 for later NG invasions, from Yahar'gul to Mensis. Can go as high as 80 but it's not recommended.

100-120 for organized PvP, 100 dipping more towards late-stage NG and 120 reaching into the full range of endgame online activity.

And then finally 150+, for the facebook/PtS pro. Actually decent for SRRC invasions, unfortunately it's all FRC dungeons and invasions suck shit there because even with 50 vit and a rune you have the resilience of a paper towel.

>>123855170

i would say something ornate and technically sophisticated or at least looks like it wasnt made of twigs to match the feel

boom hammer
bloodletter
wheel


be sure to use cone helm for maximum brass

>>123855307
120 is pretty dead for me

>>123855170
Stake Driver if you want to be Djura.

Any powder keg weapon in general is fitting.

Also, it's probably thematically best with strength weapons in general. A gatling gun in one hand and a katana in the other aren't a matching combination.

>>123855357

I've gotten some success in the DLC with mine.

>>123855307
90s - 100s are decent for DLC areas as well.

>want to twink as Maria
>need enough SKL for Ryouko
>need enough BLT for Evelyn
>need enough ARC for anime bone
HELP

>>123855541
Just don't twink, then.

>>123855541
>Ryouko
Where the fuck did I even get that name

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>Hamlet is full of metashitters and laggy japs using exclusively saif and rakuyo that can hit me from ten meters away with spin2win even through the shield
well this was fast

So in terms of lore..the mensis ritual is happening as we play right and it's only completed/revealed after we beat Rom.

So what is it. What does it involve and who is completing them.

>Bloodied Arm Bands
>Just a reskinned Gascoigne's Gloves

What's the lore, vaati? I mean, clearly Gascoigne and Brador are connected because of this.

>>123855631
Pretty sure it took place in Yahar'gul. When you go outside the chapel on your second visit, before the fight against the One Reborn, there is a big crater in the town center where the husk of a sacrifice (still smoldering) sits.

>>123855625
It's because darklordsen is streaming pvp there
He was brought to justice by the wheel

I keep seeing phantoms in the brainsucker farm boss room shooting at it with gatling guns and shit. Do people not know that the hunter's torch takes a shit all over him? You can keep him stunlocked as long as you have stamina.

>>123855631

its to beckon the blood moon/a great one to gift a womb with a child

the school of mensis wants to ascend humanity so they figure this child holds the key


rom seems to just be keeping the ritual and its effect on the world a secret

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>>123855541
2ez

>>123855541
>Maria
>immune to Twink Cosplay

I like her even more now.

She's totally a Vileblood, right? She's a direct relative of the queen ("Lady" Maria), a living corpse (Cainhurst Royal Family is Immortal?) and is decked in only the finest Cainhurst duds.

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Post dank memes pls

Is Wheel worthwhile with no ARC?
Is lvl 150 okay for PvP?

>>123855707
>He was brought to justice by the wheel
good job

the wheel must inevitably make an appearance on every streamer's face

>>123855776
You'll only need flat ARCs to be effective with the dashing attack. 150s way too high

>>123855697

I figured yahar'ghul is more just the remnants of the school that didnt go to the nightmare

whatever they're doing in the unseen village, with the gathering of yharnamites and the creepy corpse shit and whatnot, seems to be to return some being from the nightmare realm, which is what the one reborn is (who the one is, idk)

I think its the actual school in the nightmare realm that is performing the real mensis ritual


but idk theres posters that know way more about lore

>>123855776
wheel is OK with no ARC. for untrick mode 50 STR is preferable to any ARC. for trick mode it's "STR>ARC quality", i.e. 25 STR, then 25 ARC, then 50 STR

but like, you can have base stats and still do ok-ish damage with flat gems

150 is really fucking high for pvp, it's the highest anyone would ever go and higher than what /bbg/ considers normal, which is 120 at absolute most

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>>123855587
>Just don't twink, then.
Not an option

>>123855776
140 is better than 150 because you can still invade 120.
And it's better because you will hit natural defense level scaling softcap so weapon won't be as damaging and fights will be longer.
It's much more satisfying for pvp than autistic BL98 where neckbeards with top gems can kill you with 3 saif dashes.

>>123855776
>150
Reddit pls go and stay go

>>123855871
natural defense doesn't mitigate as much damage as 50/50 adds

at bl98 you can't do 50/50

if you're getting 3 shot it's probably by bl120s. the levels from 98 to 120 are pure damage stat levels. avoiding the 98 bracket just makes the damage problem worse by letting everyone 50/50 quality

Anyone got that picture of Kos' face?

>>123855790
Busted his skull a second time despite him resorting to vial spam
No idea why people like this guy

>>123856053
Is he summoning for the 2 frogs in the well? Invading there as well.

>>123855998
At BL98 you can do 50/25SKL/STR or 25/50SKL/STR which can dish out almost as much as 50/50, especially with specialized gems. And for some reason defense scaling is really fucking strong.

>>123856083
No he's just pvping there in a stream of 200 or so people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7occGLZ__Lo

Oooh bby, this new PvP comp I am making is hot already.

I'm sorry Beary my lad, you're getting the Drisful treatment.

Why are people saying don't level over 120?
You do one chalice depth 5 and you have easily over 1-2 million echoes enough to get above 160.

>>123856192
i mean we know the defense formula, the most it can mitigate is one damage per point of defense

>>123856053
I've fucked Sen with the wheel as well.

>>123854313
>0:36
Sure like like proto-ludwig.

>>123856224
you can only play online with people within a certain range of your level

if you go to a really high level you will never encounter people in the main game

i have 24? million echoes banked

>>123856263
Well done anon, we'll make that fucker see the wheel in his sleep

>>123856240
Which means around 50 damage difference between 100 and 145. Which is a fucking lot when coupled with 7% phys defense rune and some decent armor.

I was hosting with my 140 in Hamlet yesterday and all those shitty ass japanese rakuyo users trying to do spin 2 win barely scratched me instead of hitting for like half of my health from other side of area.

>>123856293
I still get pvp action with 170 they changed the system anyways you get down scaled now I think.

>>123856332
>watching archive
>acts like he doesn't remember your PSN when you invade

I'm going to put this up on YouTube if that's fine. By the way, you should run offhand bolt/fire Saw for quick toggle for heal punishes. It's what I do with my Wheel build, the visceral damage is whack but if you can learn to pivot burrito it's super useful.

>>123856368
you only get downscaled when using a password

>>123856345
it's 40, not 50. you gain more than 40 AR going from 25 to 50 on a quality weapon

it'll gimp shit like rakuyo that has only one scaling stat and caps out around bl80, but it won't gimp saws or ludwig's, it'll make them better

i've seen enough saws and i don't really want to cut pure STR/SKL weapons out of the meta

How the fuck do I get good with the wheel in pvp
There are weapons with better dps and general speed

>>123855307
This fanart triggers my autism

>>123855776
150 is a reddit meta (not sure how popular, but definitely one I've seen upboated). 120 is about as high as /bbg/ goes to for pvp. The semi-official 98 meta was chosen as it lets you fight 80s while also avoiding 150s.

>>123856446
i, too, run an offhand boltsaw on mercedes, though lately i'm thinking church pick

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Any thoughts on these stat allocations? I was wondering where I could put the last 18 points into it

Pic Related

Did the Mergo's Wet Nurse fight change?

Does the copy of the Wet Nurse now stay in the fight, even after the purple haze dissipates?

The copy kept appearing even after the haze was gone.

>>123856489
Are you sure? I did some PvP in the new dlc area and I always got down scaled when I invaded.

>>123856495
>There are weapons with better dps and general speed
build correctly (arcane with +flat arcane gems)
trick mode
dash attack
hit for ~600 on players instantly with a giant hitbox

>>123856489
Ludwig is not a problem in pvp. I would say saws as well, especially after DLC hit, especially when you have hyperarmor weapon like axe or whirligig, or, fuck, even the goddamn parasite. And 40 AR is not pure 40 more damage, my friend.

>>123855167
Laurence IS the definition of bad boss design

Pthumerian Elder's range is kinda crazy, I'm getting hit by him more than I feel like I should, but it could just be me sucking.

>>123856446
Of course he doesnt, rape victims typically block the memories out of their mind
Feel free to post whatever you'd like.

>>123856345
So 140BL is pretty legit for invasion? It's time for backup save

>>123856578
2 points in strength to use wheel. seriously, you won't regret it

6 points in vit

10 points in arc, to 50. bam, now you have a beautiful, stat-perfect STR/ARC build that can use like 14 fucking weapons including basically every good PvP weapon in the game

>>123856668
That old bastard's a pain in the ass, but he gets much easier after you've seen all he can do. He telegraphs a lot of his fire attacks, so try to exploit that.

Last 2 chunks in a farm are always such fucking agony, why. Fucking shitty drop rate

>>123856721
It's pretty good for DLC areas and nightmares. Also generally for hosting.

>Decided to go with Beast Cleaver until I could get to Bloodletter

It's gonna feel good to finally unchain this character and start wrecking shit with the edgelore hammer. The Cleaver has it's uses, but the damage overall is stupidly low.

>>123856713
Sen's also beaten me once, but in our fights he healed at least 5 times while I did zero.

>>123856446
Also in regards to the boltsaw I'm honestly too lazy to go farm a good set of bolt gems but i agree it would be an excellent backup, maybe even bolt saif too

>>123856751
Just go to your next NG
It's far easier, in my opinion, especially considering how many are in the DLC

>>123856724
Ok, thanks good hunter

Ugh, why does the boss that's easiest to get summoned for, and to coop in general for the DLC (Maria) have to be such a nightmare to fight with latency?

>>123856791
I run firesaw and boltsaif actually, I just don't think Saif is that great. It's a fucking awesome weapon though.

Hardest part of the Laurence fight is this fucking camera, holy shit.

>>123856638
>saws are not a problem in pvp
i don't believe you
>40 AR is not pure 40 more damage, my friend
it can be more. i know the damage formula. and i think 25 to 50 will net most quality weapons more than 40 AR with chalice gems. and in a meta where everyone has 50 SKL they can just put on clawmarks and fish to one-shot you. this problem is exacerbated if normal hits are plinky because it becomes hard to kill people without them healing

>>123856854
I found it far better than the Cleric Beast.
Especially considering that you can actually lock on and utilise dashes, unlike the bridge fight

>>123856767
I was more disappointed at how limited its moveset was compared to the hoontahs around the Hoontah's Nightmare. It feels like you just can't chain ha any of its attacks together the way they apparently can. It would've been fine with low damage, given its range, if it had a decent moveset.

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THE MAIN CHARACTER YOU'RE PLAYING AS CURRENTLY:

>M/F?
>Name?
>What build are you intending for them?
>Are you working towards it still or do you have the build made so far?

>>123856776
I don't get the vial spam, especially having the 30% host advantage when you're having 1v1s with your stream
Pretty embarrassing on his part but his stream won't realize it
>>123856838
It definitely takes getting used to the saif, i used it earlier with subpar gems and got fucked for it
Has a lot of potential though but i also feel like good players can counter it just fine

>>123856751
go to NG+
speed run to haze extractor
buy blood 5
open isz
enjoy chunks (and chalice gems)

>>123856895
The big giant chain whip thing right?

>>123856668
Just keep your distance. Then when he whiffs the first attack dodge into his next one and you should behind him and be able to get a few hits in

Trust me, I had to farm this asshole for an hour

>>123856919
My amy can't counter saif shit no matter how I tried

>>123856916
male
SONIC & KNUCKLES
50/25 STR/SKL shitter build
at the end, unlocking chalices (blech)

>>123856919
i literally can't believe that anybody takes vial PvP seriously in a game with the 30% host advantage. it's a ridiculous advantage

>>123856930
Yeah, the Beast Cutter, though you said "Cleaver."

It was actually one of the weapons I was most excited for, but I was disappointed with how it turned out.

>>123856798
If anything twin shards are a little harder to come by in TOH.

>>123856972
>>123856738
Thanks anons, I too am farming for the blood gem.

>>123856791
you don't need bolt gems
it might seem harder, but I managed to get 2 cold abyssals from elder hmph and a bolt waning from abhorrent much sooner than I could get a decent bolt radial and triangle from bone ash NPCs and watchers, respectively
if I managed to fuck with RNG just a bit more I could probably reach 600 AR on my saw spear but 590's alright for me

>>123856859
>and in a meta where everyone has 50 SKL they can just put on clawmarks and fish to one-shot you
lmao this is absolutely the same even for BL100, if you got parried it's always over even with 50VIT, coupled with burrito you can kill opponents even at 25SKL with one visceral.

Wow, CD Amygdala is a fucking joke with BLT Simonbow.

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What's the lore behind madman? Church hunters that ventured too long and too deep into dungeons and became mad with insight or something?

>>123856992
Yeah that's a tough matchup, gotta play full passive and get a good read on how your opponent initiates getting in on you and adjust as necessary
>>123856995
Yeah that's ridiculous. Even being the host can be an advantage, let alone the hp boost

>>123856916
M
Rend
SKL
Pretty much done, 50 SKL +10 Church Pick, just need a few more levels for some Vit and Arc for hunter bone. I'm at like level 80, going for 98.

>>123856919
I think he could be a cool streamer, he's not a bad player and has some cool tunes, it's just that he has a massive fucking ego(thinks he is literally the best at this game and knows everything about it) and is super passive aggressive about losing. If you are going to stream with a mic, you gotta be humble. Say gg and move on.

>>123856997
I'm not the same anon from before, i was really excited my first encounter with the chain whip enemies, thought they were npc hunters too. I thought no way are they going to show that to us and not give it to us. It's not that good?

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>>123856916
F
Priscilla
Str/Arc
Like 5 points off on STR and ARC.
She looks like Iosefka.

>hour of instant back to back laurence co-op

Was damn fun, hoped i help some of you boys out.

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>>123856916
>M/F?
Female

>Name?
Rya

>What build are you intending for them?
Skl/BT/Arc vileblood witch with rakuyo and other fancypants items

>Are you working towards it still or do you have the build made so far?
Working towards it. Need to get my tinge up.

>>123857071
Tomb Prospector gone crazy. Yes.

>>123857060
you missed the point

fishing is a better strat in a meta where hits are more plinky and healing is more effective

fishing is not a problem at bl98 not because it doesn't 1-shot (of course it does), but because you can easily die without any fishing involved. everyone thinks they want a lower-damage meta but all my experiences with that are that it's just a fishing meta

it's really boring to trade hits and heal for a while and then have someone win the latency roulette. i'd much rather just fucking die to being hit

>>123857104
It just feels very limited to me. There are maybe two or three R1s to chain together, then one dodge + R1/R2 attack, and the single tricked R2 that cannot be charged. It has range, but you can't do all the same stuff that the NPC hunters are doing, I feel. I'm no expert on it, but it just didn't feel that great when I first tried it out. Untricked mode is pretty close-range, but it's serviceable.

>>123857028
I actually have 2 really solid abyssal cold gems so really i just need to get off my ass and farm out a single decent bolt gem
>>123857097
Agreed. Will also make up delusions to try and make himself look good like "i beat you so many times" when in reality we had a single fight that resulted in his loss. Fuck that guy. How or why he pulls 200+ people at 4 AM is beyond me but its loltwitch i guess

>>123856201
This guy looks like praise the sun

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>>123856916
M
Firion
Quality the best build there is
It's pretty much done at BL 79, but I could level it to 98 if I felt like it

>>123857002
Yeah but you can buy them both via blood echoes and insight

So...how exactly do people struggle so much with the defiled chalice. Don't get me wrong it's the hardest thing i've experienced in the game so far but like.... im bad at the game. I'm pretty awful. I can clear it, and it didn't take me 8 hours of non stop fighting watchdog.

And amygdala is one of the chillest fights in the game still the first 2/3 of the healthbar she should never hit you ever because you can outrange and the remaining 1/3 is the same as normal, sit underneath her and wow she cant do shit. Even if she jumps it's still the most predictable thing in the world.

I felt like I was terrible and everyone else is a god but im reading posts and it's like ????? how are you struggling THIS MUCH?

>>123857190
tl;dr nogem FCs are actually fucking awful and boring. don't really want to live in a meta without gem damage

>>123856916
>M/F?
Female

>Name?
Ridley

>What build are you intending for them?
She's always been a Strength-based character. Hunter's Axe is love, Hunter's Axe is life.

>Are you working towards it still or do you have the build made so far?
I can probably stand to from some more gems, as I only have one or two +27% damage gems at the moment, but I'm happy with her until I get some more chunks and rocks for other weapons to sidearm for her.

>>123857190
So you've accepted that on BL98 typical damage dealt is higher?
Well, this is everything i wanted to hear.

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>>123857234
>Firion
>quality build
Smart thinking, anon.

>>123857028
I've got 574 AR on my firesaw right now, but I'm still rocking Uncanny with a 27.2% triangle. I need to stop being lazy and go farm a Watchdog waning, but meh. Trying to get my builds through the DLC for more PvP footage with other weapons.

>>123857261
>?????
thanks for the pasta bruv

>>123856721
It's shit for invasions but good for PVP.
If you want to invade people don't level higher than 60(base game) or 80(DLC).

>>123857097
>say gg and move on
Peeve does that but he still gets shit because he's "famous"

>>123856916
>M
>ConstableFatc.uck
>STR/BLT
>still working

Wanted to get the whirly early, but DLC enemies slap my shit. Managed to get to the blood river and stuck at the gatling spamming shitter in the cave. And yeah, I know I don't need to go there to get the pizza cutter, but I just can't force myself to skip anything.

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>doing SRRC coop
>it spawns me in some bumblefuck nowhere with doors closed and enemies alive
>host proceeds to run straight to the boss and dies before i can even fucking understand where am i and how do i get to him

Does anyone want to join in on killing NG Laurence?
He absolutely destroys me and I'd like some assistance.
Password will be dlc123 if you're interested.
Ringing at Hunter's Nightmare lamp.

>>123857486
Sure, don't know how much help I'll be though.

>first game to have a Gabranth moveset
>no armor close to Gabranth at all

>>123857413
Can you post Vlad the Impaler build?

>>123857418
Peeve is cool in my book, he never gets pissy or makes excuses. There's nothing inherently wrong with being popular, his chat is just full of lamos.

I just don't really watch because I don't gain much from it. He's usually just doing playthroughs and when he does PvP I don't bother because I just squash him.

>>123857296
do you not understand hypotheticals. let me break down the structure for you

"X is not true"
"even if X was true, X is not desirable"

i don't think BL150 will fix the damage of dual-scaling weapons like saws (which have always been top-tier PvP weapons). i might believe it will fix the damage of single-scaling weapons like Rakuyo, since by that point they've had 70 levels with no damage gain and hell, you could just plunge those into VIT or w/e. however, i do not want to play in a meta where as you said, rakuyo L2 "barely scratches," because i think it would just be 50/50 saw builds parry fishing

i know you are capable of understanding this. it's not really an argument that has to be won, it's an opinion and anyway there's no way 4ch is switching to a 150 meta before das3

what would be the ideal beast claws build for bl98? 50str/25skl?

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>>123857418
>peeve "parry fishing" peeverson
Actually significantly worse than sen, which is kind of sad

What other trick weapon archetypes have they not touched?

>>123857538
>beast claws
stop

>>123856916
M
Steve Buscemi
>intending
BL79 skill

>>123857328
Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I think the best setup for my fire saw spear was two cold abyssals and a 27.2%. It had more AR than a lost version with an abyssal radial, waning from hotdog, and a 27.2% triangle.
I haven't touched my arc character since the DLC dropped, though :^(

>>123857486
Ringling.
BL though?

>>123857606
Heavy hammer + cannon

That should have been the Church cannon, imo

>>123857629
red aura loran madmen can drop fire crescents with a double secondary. that might be in the equation for highest AR. i prefer bolt, though

people overemphasize AR too much, since flats don't take multipliers. i would really like to see someone who had attack v. open foes in all 3 secondary slots, and how hard they hit

>>123857592
I'm not trying to defend him, but the guy literally runs 40 END BL100 Beast Claws with 15 ARC. There is nothing worse than that and he never uses a gun.

>>123857606
Whirly blades on a string. You use it as a wrist-mounted blade at first, but when tricked you hold the blade in your off hand and swing it around by the string with your right.

>>123854313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj6f1Q5T994

wish the messengers stayed in the bossfog, it was like they were assisting the hunt, trapping your prey

>>123856289
that's a cramped casket bby

>>123857486
>>123857520
ezpz

>>123857606
Yo-Yo saw.

>>123857745
>literally runs 40 END BL100 Beast Claws with 15 ARC
WHY DID YOU TYPE THOSE WORDS

I DON'T VISIT TWITCH

I MIGHT HAVE GONE MY ENTIRE LIFE HAVING NEVER SEEN THOSE WORDS

>>123857745
I haven't paid attention to that guy since DS2 but holy shit that build makes me physically ill

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>>123857769
>>123857787
>spinny-sharp-thingsmind

>>123857804
>>123857792

Yeah, it's some shit. Forgive me for being a twitchfag, but I watch a lot of streams. I usually have it on for background noise while I play games.

>>123857745
Vomit.
Literal vomit.

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>>123857649
Dead already, sorry.
>>123857784
You guys chopped his legs off and he landed on me, thanks for that. I'm not sure how you guys chopped his legs off though.

Onto dungeons to get the claws!

>>123857745
I'm fairly certain he isn't BL100
Though that END, as far as I've seen, is due to the three gems with "increase stamina cost" and stunlocking after dodge spam

>>123857852
I do the same, which I think is the only way Twitch should be used

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/bbg/, what level you were when you beat Ludwig?

Did you summon anyone to help?

>>123857769
>>123857787
i would have had the sickest arcane yoyo build. character name: Ness

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>>123856916
F
Eir
Bloodtinge
All done. Upgraded all weapons I want to use and finally finished the chalice gem grind. Bit lost on what to do now.

>>123857919
46

No

>>123857919
98 NG+
solo
Took about 10 or so tries using reiterpallasch
Hardest boss in the DLC

>>123857895
Yeah, he's around BL100, something like 107.

He thinks that OHB dodging a million times is going to do something, when all it does is waste your bone and cause you to eventually get clipped because Claw range is so garbage.

>>123857538
50 STR
15 ARC if you wanna hunter bone/roar nonsense
50 VIT
15 END
12 SKL

>>123857919
120 on my main, non-pvp character. Summoned Henriet because I was tired of his shit.

>>123857919
ahahaha

i did him on my 110 arcane in NG+

i had a beastslayer weapon that was like, a fire saw with multiple +%beasts secondaries

i was hitting him for like 1200 per r1 or some insane shit

>>123857739
Haven't tried it with open foe gems, but the difference between my bolt saw spear's two cold abyssal + triangle and two cold abyssal + abhorrent waning setups was 10 AR thanks to the huge flat bonus from the waning gem. I suspected that the triangle setup would yield more damage with the high-multiplier moves, so I asked a friend to help me test the damage difference between the two. The waning setup did more across the board, even with the moves with high multipliers. I doubt counter damage would be very different, but I won't be farming elder again in this lifetime to find out.

>>123857919
Oh, i thought that said laurence
I beat ludwig my first try
Don't give up anon. You can do it.

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So in a bit I'll be PvPing with Rakuyo for the first time. Any tips for using Rakuyo?
I'll be supplementing it with hunter tool spells.

>>123857606
Something with a spear. Spears were let the fuck down come Bloodborne and they needed more love. I was a massive fan of Yorgh's Spear in Dark Souls 2 so a dragoon-like spear/twin-blade would be neat.

>>123857974
>beast claws
>15 END
kek

>>123857919
65
nope

>>123857949
Why lie?

>>123857919
79
>summoning
>ever

>>123858045
With runes, it's more than enough if you aren't a spamming shitter. If you don't want hunterbone/roar then put all that ARC into END to make it a little better.

>>123858010
well the thing is that counter damage gets an additional 20% multiplier to begin with, and then counter damage secondaries stack with that. so it ends up being a pretty big multiplier

i'd say more than half of pvp damage is counter damage so it'd be worth knowing

>>123858043
>Rakuyo?
L2 L2 L2
Phantom range kills everything. Don't scare parry, because lag save you

>>123857606
DUAL HAMMERS

FUCKING ACTUAL FIST WEAPONS

>>123857745
>40 END BL100 Beast Claws with 15 ARC

This sounds like shit. Is it actually meta?

Thinking about making a Skl/Arc character, anyone able to help me out with a build?

>>123857606
A sword.
Which is also scissors.
Yes.

>>123858195
>Is it actually meta?

The fuck?

Absolutely not.

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>>123858179
>FUCKING ACTUAL FIST WEAPONS
They actually secretly covered that.

>>123858195
yeah, dude
it's meta
go make the build

>>123858103
>With runes, it's more than enough if you aren't a spamming shitter.
No. You need a lot end
>Range is horrible
>stamina consuming is huge
>R1 slower than Kin R1.

>>123858248
Is that damage just with level or something?

>>123858280
Then just take some off of the Vit and put it into END, I'm perfectly fine with 15% rune and 15end

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>Lighting hammer makes attacks consume roughly double the stamina
>Lighting hammer also lowers the amount of health recovered on rally attack

What the fuck Miyazaki you fucking hack

>>123858203
for SKL/ARC the rule is to not go over 18 ARC because nothing past Augur is useful, especially with less than 50 ARC. a lot of people will stop at 15 for bone

best origin is probably cruel fate, but it depends somewhat on your target weapon. if you want t use BoM/Rakuyo these are very END hungry, so consider as much as 20-22 END. but if you want to use like Reiterpallasch this is infamously stamina-cheap and you can get by with like literally 9 END (but you need 10 BLT to equip it)

at bl99:
cruel fate
46 vit
20 end
10 str
50 skl
5 blt
18 arc

>>123858248
So you're telling me the Parasite without the rune makes unarmed viable? Jesus Christ we can go full Micolash now

>>123858248
i'm so glad somebody did this, i was shitposting so much about it

i've been cosplaying micolash with it in chalice coop

>>123858368
what would you say the ideal weapon for pvp would be?

>>123858195
What's wrong with lots of end? As a Str/Blt buid, I find having lots of stamina to be very helpful in pvp

>>123858248
meta

>Can't get Bloodletter before Fishing Hamlet
I fucking hate lategame weapons that demand a specialized build.

>>123858501
It isn't technically lategame, though. Late in the DLC, yes, but not for the rest of the game.

I'm honestly surprised that a game about people turning into beasts and creatures has nobody turn into dragons or fire breathing lizards.

Positively surprised actually. Cause I think dragons could have been a bit too much

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>kin mode has bom-tier dash attacks
>kin mode has HUGE fucking hyperarmor on all actions on top of huge poise damage
>untricked dash r1 and running r2 are multihit able to reach like 600 damage per full hit
>charged r2 can catch people on rolls as easily as church pick
>transformed jump attack has immense range
>not to mention l2 which is a great "get the fuck away from me" button
Why aren't you using kin mode RIGHT NOW?

>>123858457
reiterpallach is really good but is like an old weapon at this point that's mostly used for really cagey poking strategies with a shield. if you don't know if you will like it, then you won't like it

go with the build i listed above which is good for every weapon except reiterpallasch

So can you buy the beastclaws right away if you coop with someone who has them? Or do you still need to be at a certain point in the game before that'll work?

>>123858526
By the time you can kill Ludwig/Maria, you could easily kill Wetnurse/Gehrman.

Late game is a powerlevel, not a specific state relating to progress.

>>123858470
>Str/Blt
alright, let's ignore that

end isn't useful to invest in because base end is incredibly generous and high end is mostly useful for R1 spam
the gems we have available to us make it so that R1 spam isn't necessary because everyone dies in 2-5 hits anyway

>>123858586
What level are you trying to unlock them at?

>>123858541
When the game is about of Lovecraft fame, dragons aren't really in the running.

>>123858568
honestly? because it's overpowered. i got bored lol. i was just smacking people round for stupid damage with abyssals

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>>123858568

But I am

>>123858606
>alright, let's ignore that
How about we ignore the retard who shits on str/blt builds.

>end isn't useful to invest in because base end is incredibly generous and high end is mostly useful for R1 spam
Plenty of weapons need some endurance investment. Take your scrublord advice and fuck off.

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>>123858578
Reiterpallach was good before pick was introduced.
Pick does twice as much damage per hit while having better pokes.

>>123858613
Haven't even made the character in question yet, just trying to plan ahead. I figure I'll do it as soon as I get to a decent coop boss like BSB providing that'd work.

>>123858578
ok sounds good, how does burial blade fit in for this? also would i use 27% ATK gems or split with arcane?

Anons, I have a dilemma. I'm on my first character and I'm doing the DLC before beating the wet nurse and the chalice dungeons. My stats are 25 str 25 skl 25 arc, 40 vit 25 end and I have used the saw cleaver the whole game. I stumbled upon the MLGS and upgraded it but I barely do the same damage as the saw with much lower speed and it bothers me.
Can my build for the MLGS be still savaged if I'm around lvl100 now and still want to do some online play?

I leveled arc because I wanted to use the spells for variety, but I realized later that they do crap damage.

>>123858568
I'm so happy with how they turned out. Had farmed the gems completely and the AR screen let out that wet fart of a number, then it's actual performance turned out to be twice as high. Great in PvP, though beastmode's more fun in pve

>>123858661
yeah, pick is my weaponfu, i'm not gonna lie

>>123858606
>Thinking the gatling with a good strength weapon is to be ignored.

Not all weapons use the same amount of stamina and a big green bar allow you to stay on the offensive very well

>>123858617
When a game is about Lovecraftian themes and creatures, dagons are really in the running.

>>123858674
Well I don't know about the whole buying it from co-op thing but it's quite easy to get to/beat Amygalda at a relatively low BL. From there it's just rushing the chalice dungeon and getting the weapon.

>>123858661
Pick isn't even fucking competing for the same role. It can't compete. The Pick can't fucking parry mid attack chain. That puts it below Reiter by default. Pick is a versatile weapon like BB/HA. Reiter is a careful dueling weapon with excellent parry options. Pick might be high tier, but a smart Reiter turtle is still top tier by a huge margin. It's pretty much impossible to win against one being played properly.

>>123858661
Pick can't parry mid combo with some of the highest gun damage in the game. It's also slower and has less range untransformed

>>123857974
>50 STR 12 SKL

gigglingminmaxer.tifff

>>123858769
Yeah, that's fair enough, I was just curious as the wiki said that was possible, but worded in a weird way so I wasn't sure what to believe.

I've never actually got them before so there might be a bit of stumbling.

>>123858759
Dagon, sure. D(R)agon, no.

Requesting aid for lower loran abhorrent beast. Password is bbg1

>>123858686
so first off, let's be clear: your character is weak because you tried to do everything all at once

having said that, everyone fucks up their first character, and has to level it up really high to compensate. just go to 125 or w/e and put all the points in STR

on a blind first character you have 0 chance in hell of having some kind of perfectly-formed PvP build

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>>123858661
>>123858732
>>123858780
>>123858793

IT'S PIKE YOU NINCOMPOOPS

CHURCH PIKE

RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>123858658
>Plenty of weapons need some endurance investment
whoa there, that list is pretty long
how'd 4chan even let you submit that?

>>123858746
nice job managing your stamina, retard

>>123858793
>parry mid combo

There's this meme again. The "mid combo" shot with a Reiter is exactly the same speed as Saw R1 into gunshot.

>>123858843
Pick.

>>123858843
What a silly thing to pick up on

>>123858843
Oh, stop nitpicking, anon.

>>123858746
are you 28/50 STR/BLT? i have this secret suspicion that that build is ridiculously overpowered if you use gatling with the right gem

>>123858658
Show us that hot nasty Str/Blt build.

>>123858661
>Pick does twice as much damage per hit
>webm features rolling R1
>barely more than reiter tricked R1 if at all

is there anything to do after the final fight? I killed the wheelchair hunter. what am I suppose to do now?

>>123858862
I'm not here to spoonfeed you obvious information. Many weapons can't even use all their combos to completion without endurance investment or runes.

>>123858938
Start a NG+ and kill the actual final boss.

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Every single person i've invaded or who invaded me in last 2 hours was a rakuyo user.
Was this thing advertised by some shitty streamer?
I love how it feels and looks like but this ain't the only fucking DLC weapon.

I've been helping out a lot of people with bosses recently, to collect vermin. I've noticed with Living Failures that for some reason, my hosts always die when the meteor airstrikes occur.

8/10 times when I've failed against Living Failures, it's always my host dying to a meteor. It's getting quite frustrating.

>>123858862
Nice job running out when I can still swing once or twice, you incompetent twat.

>>123858921
No, but I wish I was now

>>123858869
that's true, and it is a meme, but it will do a lot more damage and it lets you use a shield

the reiter gun is a really important feature, it's not substituted by a hunter's pistol

>>123858940
>their combo
>combo
anon, please fucking end yourself

>>123858928
>I'm retarded
Bloodletter is a fucking monster. You fucking shitter.

>>123858836
Closing since nobody's interested.

Amygdalan arm is so underloved for the wrong reasons.

>>123858971

It's the spin to win DLC variant of the Hunters Axe

People are out in force to upload their montage of them spinning to win dweebs for big damage.

>>123858978
>No, but I wish I was now
i need to just make that fucking build and see what happens

If the Pthumerians were superhuman beings why did they vanish?

>>123858971
Most dlc weapons are shit in meta wongo bongo

>>123859027

I've been ringing for 3 minutes

>>123859028
i'm working on an arm build

the main thing that surprised me is i think the untricked moveset is a lot better than people realize

it has a great r2, both as a charge, uncharged, or running attack

>>123859005
most bloodletter builds stop at 14 str

I really gotta repeat this cause it's important to me:

I'm so fucking glad they didn't implement soul memory into Bloodborn, holy shit.
Imagine how bad multiplayer would be if it had blood memory or another fucking idiotic mechanic of the same sort.

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>>123858843
It's Pick, though?

It says Pick right in the name and description.

You do know what a War Pick is, right?

REEtard.

>>123859051
Literally every single DLC weapon aside from boom hammer is mid to top tier for pvp.

>>123859114
>Priscilla
What does your hoontah look like, m8? Does she have what it takes to carry that waifu-shitter name?

>>123859109
Its moveset is fun and pretty great, both 1h and 2h mode has a follow up R2 after it's charge able to trick people really easily and it's got good damage. 25 skill/50 str myself here and I'm loving the shit out of it.

>>123859137
probably not beast cutter

>>123859005
why the fuck did you invest in str for bloodletter you retard
bet you hit 25/50 for chikage too and thought you did well, didn't you?

>>123858568
Don't forget actually receiving less damage when hit during your crazy rolls and quicksteps

>>123859137
Beast cutter is pretty ass imo

>>123859174
She looks like Iosefka. I just didn't call her Iosefka. This post here, actually. >>123857136

>>123859223
Tfw kin mode is going to be nerfed hard by the anti-fun brigade soon

>>123859206
i think 25 for chikage is ok since a BLT build has a good reason to try to parry a lot

gatling gun is really fucking good so there may be a reason to go 28 str

>>123859189
>>123859247
Beast cutter has a good normal mode which has better hyperarmor than saw weapons.
Also it's pretty good to fight coopers thanks to its wide swings.

POWDER KEGS RULE

GET REKT OTHER FACTIONS

Can someone repost the Arcane build images? I think there's two of them.

>>123859309
well, since i just rolled 50/25 i guess i'll try it

>>123859272
you don't need high skl for visceral damage
R1+visceral does more than enough, and if you're lucky you can probably burrito with an unzip

>>123859206
Bloodletter's normal mode is spammy as fuck, you can grind people down on base STR, i dread to think how much that shit dishes out per second with good STR.

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>>123859325

>>123859248
>church cannon

How is that thing, anyway? Didn't actually know it had a sort of revolver-chamber kind of design.

>>123859109
>most bloodletter builds stop at 14 str
They're shitters who think sticking to one moveset is smart. I bet you advocate base SKL on Chikage builds too.

>>123859206
>why the fuck did you invest in str for bloodletter you retard
Because only fucking morons overspecialize a build like that. Enjoy your epic sick super damage against hapless noobs. I'll be having fun with a versatile moveset and playstyle and enjoying a large variety of PvP/PvE activities.

>>123859385
That's the Gatling Gun. I don't know where to get the Church Cannon. I think it's a BLT weapon anyways.

What's the best MLGS build?
Like solely focused on it

>>123859365
yeah but you'd like to actually use a weapon like a reiter or something while you shoot. it's kinda cute to have a reiter and a shield in your OH and do a complete 180 on your strategy

i don't know anything like that you can implement with STR, except maybe the gatling gun thing

>>123859320
>Boom hammer
Such high hope
So much disappointment

Gattling gun any use for lower tinge? Like is it useful to make fuckers stop healing and still get SOMETHING decent of damage or is high tinge + str the way to go with it only?

The gatling gun is amazing even with no investment in bloodtinge.

For any STR fags, it's seriously worth getting to +10 even without any tinge investment.

>>123859468
It's the new Stake Driver.

>>123859407
>I bet you advocate base SKL on Chikage builds too.
i'm literally advocating 25 SKL on chikage builds right now

>>123859468

I-It's good I swear

Just you wait until I've finished this Boom Hammer build and you see this sweet cherrypicked webms I'm making.

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Does anyone want to help me through layers 3 and 4 of Lower Pthumeru Chalice? I want to be done with this dungeon so I can move on to Ailing Loran for the Beast Claws.

>>123858368
what would the ideal gems be for reiter using this build?

>>123859490
it's incredibly good even with base tinge. it's like cannon. you can get a solid +35% damage or so from higher tinge but even at base it totally prevents healing and can do like 70 per bullet

I get a lot of random disconnects during PvP. Mostly after the fights. What gives?

>>123859560
After the fight with the Failures, I'm inclined to agree with that picture

Savescumming newfag here, is boss loot changed with every ill or when you load into the chalice?

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>>123859514
>50 STR
>0 BLT
>Gatling Gun

>mfw

>there are hunters ITT who STILL think that Vermin aren't real
I thought we had settled this. The item description literally tells you this explicitly
>Vermin are the root of man's impurity
>impurity
in the context of BB, impurity is the tendency to turn to beasthood -- Vermin are literally the source of Beasthood
>b-but only League confederates can see them
>implying that this makes them any less real
Blood Dregs can only be seen by Vilebloods

>>123859583
They most likely bailed out before you killed them.

>>123859668
Maybe you should continue your medication for schizophrenia

>>123859578
just plain old physical, because they affect both the weapon and the gunshot

you can get silly damage with thrust gems but it fucks up the trick mode

>>123859639
that fucking settles it. i'm making a 28/50 build named vulcan raven

>>123859668

The only way you can see them is by equipping a rune that was given to you by a lunatic who can't see them himself and who literally ate a beast.

Sure thing bucko

>>123859739
hey, that guy seems legit

>backstep+R1 allows kos parasite to puke

nice la

>>123859790

Pinoy pls go

>>123859712
>saying this in a setting that has, as a core theme, things that are invisible unless you are specifically trained to see them
this is literally the concept of insight
>>123859739
>eating a beast implies that you're insane
>implying that Valtr is a lunatic
>implying that Caryll Runes make you hallucinate things that aren't there

>>123859639
>>123859716
GIVE THEM MORE THAN A RAVEN CAN HUNT FOR IN A NIGHT!

>>123859827
Wasn't that a Malaysian thing? I keep seeing it back when I was still playing HoN

>>123859827
>>123859901
its meme from d2g

>>123859856
if valtr's sight is analogous to insight then you're not helping your case for his sanity

>>123859716
>Vulcan Raven without at least 50+ STR

>>123859882
It's now possible for gank squads to recreate that scene from the Predator.

Imagine squads of buckethead confederates wielding their gatling guns in tandem to strike down the beast.

>>123859418
Oh, my bad. Never really got a good look at the gatling gun from the front.

Does the corpse that drop the five blood vials near Ludwig stay there even when the boss is dead, or is that just a helping hand for rape horse?

>>123859956
Valtr can't see them anymore because he ditched his own covenant -- he mentions that finding a worthy successor to him was his last, toughest task, and then fucks off to the hunter's nightmare forever. he's on the verge of succumbing when you meet him, but that doesn't imply that he was always this way

Someon help me beat Pthumeru Descendant on the story great pthumeru ihyll

Ringing already

password: hmph

>>123859982
Dont worry about those snake confederates.
The snake prowls fiercely but it cannot scratch its back because as the sioux people are aware of snakes have no arms in which to scratch their backs

>>123855834
Isn't the Orphan of Kos and The One Reborn the same being?

I just kinda asumed that the Orphan is in the past, the lost child of Kos and The One Reborn is that Nightmare being brought into the real world using the bodies of everyone in Yahar'Gul as sacrifices.

>>123860079

No mercy for blood vials

>>123860201
you aren't time-traveling when you go to nightmare realms

>>123860141

ok ringing

>>123860201
Nightmare happens real-time.

>>123860315
I'm right before the boss' fogwall but that doesn't matter since you're probably coming in through SRRC right?

>>123860201
They are not the same no

Also, all nightmares exist at the same time as the real world

Think separate realm/dimension

items shouldn't be glowing like they are. what happens is that you just run around looking for that glow instead of actually looking at the world. "oh nothing glows in this room, on to the next"

>>123860365

yea im using srrc, still ringing tho. No idea why this take too long

>>123860306
>>123860356

While this is true, it's worth mentioning that the Nightmare's seem to berepresentative of earlier times than in present day Yharnam.

>>123860201
I always assumed that the One Reborn is Mergos body Mensis created.

>>123860456
Yeah, it sure is taking a lot of time, fuck

>>123860473
I'd put that on Maria.
She was the host, after all.

>>123860097
When does he mention that? Haven't done his questline fully so I'm curious