/boig/ The Binding of Isaac General

Think we'll see Ultra versions of the other sin bosses? Or hell even mega horsemen? Why does Greed get so much attention in comparison to the others?

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i want to protect

>>123809530
>get game winning combo of hella damage + epic fetus as keeper
>die in chest because wanted to get chest mark in addition to megasatan

fuck this GAME!!!

>>123810408
I was thinking it had to do with shops and all. If more dlc is to be released then maybe it'll inlude the other sin bosses.

imagine fighting two mini versions of ultra greed in a smaller room

i just won a greed run as the lost.
Fuck me, that was annoying.

>>123810408
He's the one that everyone hates most aside from Envy since he can spawn in Secret Rooms and Shops.
Envy's just annoying and the others are jokes.

>>123810612
literally git gud

>>123810408
Mega Pride - Ed's photo realistic face that shoots steaks at you

>>123811158
I wouldn't even be mad.

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>unlock the Keeper at last
>try him
>lose twice at the beginning
>begin new run
>one level has the Blind curse
>get Bum baby following my ass
>lose hope
>find Swallowed Penny and Stop Watch at the same floor

and that's how I managed to beat Mega Satan today

life is gud

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>ignore the first devil room in greed mode
>only get shitty angel rooms with eternal/golden hearts the rest of the run

Do the angel rooms in greed mode actually have items? I still have yet to see any.

Speaking of the Keeper, if you lurk here, stop stalling NL. I want to see you get mad at this garbage ass character.

it wouldn't be so shitty getting greed instead of a shop if he dropped more items from the shop pool

if greed could drop humbling bundle or store credit that would be the best shit ever

>>123813035
They do, but I have yet to see anything besides the mitre

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c7l-mHH6A

>>123813180
He can't get mad, he's Canadian.

>finally gets all three bums in the same run
>nothing happens

t-thanks

>>123813671
No, he's gotten made.
Canucks just get mad in a "polite" way

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Tell me /boig/, do you prefer the original Isaac soundtrack or rebirth's?

>>123814791
Danny B. all day.

>>123814791

I didn't play enough vanilla Isaac to remember the soundtrack, and I don't care much for Rebirth's either, except for a couple of songs.

I just use the Undertale OST mod anyway.

>>123814791

Depends on which track. Like the original shop and library tracks are superior in every way, but rebirth has a better cathedral.

>>123814791
I prefer the original's overall, but I use my own music.

>>123814791
theyre both boring and obviously repetitive and i mute both

>>123816767

burning basement loops so fucking early.

But I like it.

Ideas for some bomb items:
>Cannon Bombs
Does contact damage, if you're moving while you place the bomb it will keep the momentum
>Flash Bombs
Freezes every enemy on the screen for a second or two
>Sponge Bombs
Bigger explosion radius and more damage the more tears you shoot into it. Absorbs enemy tears as well.
>Clean Bombs
Wipes the screen of all enemy tears.

>>123813669
ok

>>123817951
>more bomb modifiers
please no

>>123817951
>even more Bomb Items
Oh, wait, that'd actually make sense seeing as how most synergies that don't rely on Brimstone, rely on Ipecac or the Fetuses.

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Should I get it?

>>123819007
>While firing tears this item gives you a chance to fire an eye across the screen with a very slow shot speed, which will fire tears of its own in the same direction as Isaac.

>The evil eye shots will be destroyed if they come into contact with enemies or obstacles.

>>123819842
Is that a yes or no?

>>123820416

Different guy, it has literally no downsides but it's not a great item. No reason to not take it.

>>123817951
>Holy Bombs
Spawns a beam of light on explosion
>Dead Bombs
Larger blast radius for every bomb that kills an enemy
>Dice Bombs
D6+D20 effect on explosion
>Cursed Bombs
Teleport you out of the room if you get hit before a bomb explodes
>Spiky Bombs
Deals damage if you or an enemy touches it before it explodes
>Future Bombs
Explosion spawns a Tech X circle
>Perma Bombs
Bombs explode for a full five seconds multiple times
>Brimstone Bombs
Spawns a 4-directional Brimstone shot on explosion
>Knife Bombs
Explodes into knives
>Battery Bombs
Charges your active item by one on explosion
>Butt Bombs 2.0
Leaves poop on explosion
>Magnet Bombs
Bombs attract pickups
>Attractor Bombs
Bombs attract enemies
>Tower Bombs
The Tower effect if your bomb explosion damages an enemy
>Egg Bombs
Spawns a random familiar for the room on explosion
>Fetus Bombs
Causes an Epic Fetus missile to land during explosion
>Hourglass Bombs
Bombs slow time
>Demon Bombs
Bombs give fear effect to the whole room
>Sexy Bombs
Bombs give charm effect to the whole room
>Shadow Bombs
Bombs have Athame/Maw effect on explosion
>Rage Bombs
Increases your damage every time you damage yourself with your own bombs
>Fart Bombs
Bombs create a fart in addition to an explosion
>Midas Bombs
Bombs turn any enemy they touch into gold and drop coins on explosion
>Protected Bombs
Bombs have your orbitals
>Reflective Bombs
Bombs bounce back tears like Rubber Cement effect
>Mirror Bombs
Bombs have My Reflection effect
>Random Bombs
Any bomb effect is applied

>>123820494
Forget it, I just rerolled it and got tough love

>>123820545
Will they be the new coop babies?

>>123820776
Yes, except they clog up your item pools too.

Even with the nerfs to devil and curse rooms, I still can't justify going for angel rooms, outside of MegaStan

If Sacred Heart was more common, maybe?

Or there was a good chance for at least 2 items

>>123813669
>ludovico + tech 2
Why desu

>>123814791
Original > Afterbirth >> a /mu/ noise album > Rebirth

>>123821062
>Holy Mantle
>Wafer
>Relic
>Guardian Angel
>Sworn Protector
>Mitre
>Trinity Shield
>Body
>Mind
>Soul
>Godhead
>Immaculate Conception
>Diamond Crown
>Holy Light
>Purity
>Censer
>Seraphim

>>123821331

fuck you here's two spirit hearts

>>123821331
>Every other angel room is holy water or spirit hearts
>You get one of those maybe once every 20 runs you get an angel room

Plus, a good chunk of those are Lost unlocks and fuck even unlocking that piece of shit

>>123821331
Most of the best angel rooms items have a devil room version that its job just as well.

Also
>Brimstone
>Abaddon

>>123821572
>implying those ever show up anyway
I'm convince Edmund patched Brimstone out of the game

>>123821331
Half of those can also appear in item rooms, a portion of them are Lost unlocks, and devil deals are more likely to give you something worthwhile because there can be 1-3 items

Oh, and red chests consistently pay out with things, even if there sometimes shit, unlike the locked blue chests

>>123821735
Oh, he didn't.
It just never shows up unless you're trying to go after Mega Satan or you're in a Blindfolded Challenge.

>>123821735
This >>123622056 happened to me a couple days ago.

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>>123812965
I had a similar experience with Keeper, except I had 8 inch nails, light crown and godhead by the end of depths 2. Bosses died almost instantly due to three overlapping bullet auras.

I picked up fate's reward and bffs in blue womb (adding a 4th, even more powerful bullet), Hush died in like 30 seconds, damage resist be damned. Moving on to cathedral, Isaac died in like 3 seconds. In the chest I decided I'd do a double feature, plowed my way to blue baby and plundered his anus before going back to the starting room and on to mega satan, where I kicked the shit out of him.

The second most overpowered run I've ever had in this game.
>mfw I forgot to screencap the seed

>beat hush with non-d6 isaac
based tech x+20/20

NERF
THE
FUCKING
SACK

>>123825721
Fuck no, it's one of the few FUN things Ed hasn't touched from his nerf parade

So I know Tech X works with Brimstone, but apparently it does nothing with Azazel's Minibrim, which just fires like normal.

Is there anything else that Minibrim doesn't work with that full does?

>>123810408
because greed mode based around money, and it's the boss to go

>>123826683
Homing won't work, Mom's Knife will work like a normal knife instead of a Brimknife.

Why the fuck does the brains challenge go all the way to the chest ?

Only this left to do along with the keeper / lost.

Is the battery 'glitch' fixed? Can I get extra charges from all rooms now? Or do I need to savor my steak?

>Hush can just leave the arena and end the fight whenever, forcing a game end

EPIC STEAK
P
I
C

S
T
E
A
K

Down to half a spirit heart, on Womb, no bombs, no drops, no red containers. Manage to beat Womb, and Cathedral, making it to the Chest where I found Dark Bum to fix health situation.

Tammy's Head is such a fucking carry it's unreal.

>>123836587
Sure if you have brimstone. Otherwise it's a piece of trash.

Seed N11X 1E87

It's a garbage seed by and far, but gives a good bit of cash and has a Donation Machine + Hourglass in Cellar II. The Hourglass trick still works for maxing donation machines, and I've read that number of coins you can donate is seed based. I got there with 48 coins and can donate 26 in a row.

If any of this is true for anyone else, might be a useful seed for maxing that stupid machine.

>>123840843
donation machines don't appear on seeded runs

Nth for adversary's cute demon feet and toes

>>123840921
Well fuck me then. I thought it was just achievements. Guess it makes sense though. Was wondering why there was never a seed for it like we had for Lost unlocks.

Oh well.

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>that feel when I wasn't a bad enuff dude to beat Speed!!! before that update that made it easier
beating it now just isn't the same

How to improve this game:

Shorten it. Get rid of "[x] floor part 2." All areas have a single level. Devil rooms can appear on basement "1". Remove Sheol from automatically appearing at the end of womb 2 and instead give it a chance of appearing in the devil room instead of the items. Make Sheol easier, and get rid of Satan as a boss. Replace him with harder versions of bosses from Depths 1, and bosses from Womb 1. After defeating them, you are awarded 3 devil room items. Apply all of this same thing to the Cathedral. (Appears in Angel rooms, is easier, no Isaac boss, create new bosses for the Cathedral (harder versions of the Angels could serve as some) and reward with 3 angel room items. Moving on from Cathedral or Sheol will bring you to the level you would have originally transitioned to next.

Chest as a level can be accessed after the Mom's Heart/It Lives endings have been gotten, and is where you transition to after you beat It Lives. Once the Chest has been beaten normally, "Chest" rooms have a chance of appearing in the first 3 levels, with a 100% likelihood of appearance starting in the basement, and decreasing to 50% in caves, then 20% in Depths. They work like Item Rooms but require no keys. This is an easy way to decrease the amount of time the game takes for a skilled player, and actually introduces nice risk-reward mechanic, as does the Sheol/Cathedral reworking.

After ??? is beaten once, introduce more alternate floors. (more than the 9 alts already there.) MAYBE add 1 or 2 floors after the Chest, have Dark Room be the random Chest alt.

Introduce more enemies for the different alt floors, get rid of some of the useless items. The game is already looking much better than it was.

>>123841750
Oh, but combine the Chest and Dark Room endings into one. Have the current Dark Room ending be moved over to the potential floor after the Chest.

>>123841750
>>123841956
Keep in mind this doesn't consider some of the additions of Afterbirth. Hush, for instance, should probably be removed all together. Greed mode can stay, but the greed machine should be turned into a double digit machine instead of a triple digit one.

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>>123841750
>>123841956
>>123842167

>>123842818
It can't really be changed by the developers now, but it would be cool to see it implemented in a mod. What didn't you like about it?

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my face when I can still do the alt-tab exploit AND ED CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

Blank Card + Dice Shard, Blank Card + Credit Card, or Box of Friends.

Lilith run, have Tech X, on Basement II.

>>123844736
Seed?

>>123845027
N11X 1E87

>>123845027
Forgot to mention, took the Blank + Credit since already had Goat Head. But crap all in Devil Rooms.

And only got in that situation due to Diplopia. There's been alot of fun items this run, but nothing powerful.

>>123844736
Card + Dice Shard could lead to some game-breaking.

Kind of slowpoke here because I only started playing a while ago and I've never checked this general before, but I just found out you can take no damage from the horizontal spiked doors in cursed rooms simply by walking at a certain speed (apparently as soon as you start accelerating). I found out about this while doing the Cursed! challenge, and walked through plenty of doors without taking damage by doing this.

>>123844736
You should have mentioned the first floor Kidney Stone, Fate, and Cricket's Head too.

>>123813035
Got a sacred heart in one of them.

WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I EVER GET THAT IN ANY OTHER GAME

>>123846149
Completely forgot about Kidney Stone. I have no idea how to predict or use it on Lilith so it was just all kinds of random since it doesn't stop your firing like on regular characters.

>>123846640
What floor did you get Blank Card/Dice Shard?

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Is marked the worst item in the game? It sure seems that way.
>difficult to control
>can't be controlled with the mouse like ludo/epic fetus can
>practically ends your run if you have ipecac
>actually does end your run if you have kidney stone
Literally the only upside to it is the fact that it can be overridden by some items, acting as a small tears up.

>>123846957
Didn't by itself. Found Shard in a shop after having Diplopia, went back a room, dropped my Credit Card on the floor, went in, Doubled stuff, picked up the dupe'd shard, went back a room, dropped it, reentered and picked up the shard and used it which is when Blank Card appeared.

That's when I had to make the choice. Not sure if it'll be 1:1 the same for you cause I don't have RPG or 1001%. Same reason I didn't notice Fate, I don't have it unlocked yet.

>>123847034
Isaac's heart

>>123847378
Isaac's heart is actually workable if you're run wasn't already screwed, but marked is just a clusterfuck to use.

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>>123847243
Alright, since I'm already on Floor 4. It's actually a pretty solid seed. Got Keeper's Head on the second, and found two Pretty Flies along the way. Also used the blood donation machine in 2 to birth me leech, which helped me birth Lil' Brimstone in 4's arcade.

>>123841492
Yet people still post about having problems with it, they haven't seen the worst.

Anyone want to post item ideas? inb4 The Steak
>Stasis Chamber
>Single use spacebar item that causes a target to appear similar to epic fetus shots.
>When you push the spacebar again, it takes whatever you targeted and removes it from the game. Could be an item, collectible, non-boss enemy, whatever.
>Next run you start the removed object is deposited in the starting room.

>>123848148
Obligatory Bone Tears and Holy Brimstone. Those two are pretty popular.

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>>123847243
Welp, last shop. Looks like I'm not getting it. Still a pretty strong run.

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Heard the Isaac general likes sexy little horn.

>>123848632
Don't sexualize little horn! ;__;

>>123848148
Mom Mask: paper mask with a picture of Mom foot on it. When you enter a room, causes all enemies to be petrified for a second and a half. Also works on bosses!

>>123848723
fuck the horn

>>123810696
gj son. what'd you have?

>>123848148
The Gold Star, can be a trinket or collectable, clearing out the entire floor of enemies gives you an item/pickup drop, the reward improves going further down. If there are enemies in the secret/top secret room, you have to get them too.

I just had a tinted rock explode into three soul hearts. I've never once seen that before. Is this new in Afterbirth? I have really high luck.

>>123848632
hot

>>123848148
I'm surprised there's no white candle.
Unless I haven't found it.

Why can't I pick up this nickel?

Why is judas' tongue still so fucking situational, fuck just have it make devil rooms always have at least one collectable available for trade.

>>123849773
Sticky nickle. Bomb it. It's one of Keeper's unlocks. It replaces a penny with a nickle that requires a bomb to collect.

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That was a pretty good seed.

>>123849881
it should make 3 soul heart deals into 2

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>Item: Mom's Vibrator
>Active Item
>Causes Isaac to shake uncontrollably in the room, as well as a successive necronomicon effect until all the enemies in the room are dead. Isaac can take damage during this process.

>>123850296
So, a weaker Flush?

>>123850296
i think this needs to be used on little horn wink

>Toxic shock+curse of the darkness
can't see shit

>>123851768
>tfw retro vision + curse of darkness

I turned up the gamma in the options file to 2.5

>>123851768
>Floor 1 Toxic Shock+Curse of Darkness on Burning Basement

Where's the fucking braille?

>>123852446
If you get retro vision just exit and continue.

so... its been a while now, when is the content getting patched in?

>>123850296
>active item
trash

They need to let you hold onto more than one active or something. The majority of the time they're not worth taking because theyre useless or the characters starting item is better. It's more insulting than getting the virus in a treasure room.

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what a good fucking run to get the D6 on

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>30 seconds to beat mom and get to boss rush
>go in store
>bible for 15 cents
>have 10 cents, blow up donation machine
>get exactly 5 cents
>YES!
>pick up 4 of the pennies
>bum friend gets the last one


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>123856228
dumb frogposter
>>>/r9k/

Fucking Punching Bag

>>123857874
>it can die, sometimes permanently
Before it was decent but fucked up enemy AI, which was bad for certain builds, but now it's garbage.

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>tfw playing Hard Mode
Holy shit this is actually EASIER than Easy Mode, less hearts clogging your drops means better shit, and more On Death Spawn X Enemies means more drops.
I'm already on a streak. No joke, playing Hard Mode has given me my first over 1 streak.

>>123859153
Too bad the hard mode unlocks are just coop babies.

>>123859153
>less hearts clogging your drops means better shit
no, it means no shit at all.

>>123859372
I actually haven't noticed a real lowering in the amount of shit the game hands me, except now it's not throwing 15 red hearts at me every floor I'll never use, so instead I'll get like 8 bombs/keys I'll actually use and get better shit every floor.

>>123859231
I still haven't unlocked all the base shit, and I think it's honestly easier on Hard Mode to get shit done. I've played 20 games so far and only lost 2 of them due to stupidity.

>>123859153
>>123859504
I didn't really notice much of a difference on the floors themselves, but god damn, bosses drop a lot of health in easy mode.

>>123859504
>>123859928
If you beat a boss in hard mode, do you also get the easy mode acheevo?

>>123859153
The extra champions on Hard Mode have a chance to not drop their loot though, so not necessarily more drops

But you are right, Hard mode isn't harder


It's why when I am done with all the post-its, I'm just going to have fun in normal mode again

because fuck curses

they are not hard
none of them make the game harder

they are literally only there to annoy you

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>let's make a new Lost
>but without flying
>and he has a hard time stopping enemies coming at him because of low tears
>and he practically can't take devil deals
>and even though he doesn't use hearts, damage counts as red heart damage

bravo edmund

you've done it

you've really outdone yourself this time

you succesfully made a character even more shit and unfun to play than The Lost

bra-fucking-vo

So i dl the HUD that people are useing but theres no .exe file to run it what am i doing wrong?

>>123860508
MissingHud?

>>123860643
ya I dont know what im doing wrong i dl it from the link and still no clue what to do after

>>123860508
run the exe when game is launched

>>123860753
But there is no exe in the dl

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>>123860785
You downloaded the wrong thing then. https://github.com/networkMe/missinghud2/releases

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>>123860508
>>123860785
Mine came with one. Use this dl https://github.com/networkMe/missinghud2/releases

>>123860968
>>123860991
Ty the link to the website didnt work but that one did

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>>123861115
You were just too retarded to switch tabs to the right download page, it's okay. We all need our hands held once in a while

>Punching bag can die

Fucking serious? Literally why
I'm so done with this ebin balancing

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Once Ed is completely finished with Isaac, the only worthwhile items will be damage/tears/health ups

>>123862586
I wish enemies always went after punching bag untill it died

I never take it now because it just makes it harder to dodge

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This is suffering.
There are rooms where you just get cornerfucked in 2 seconds and can't do shit about it. I really don't want to hold R until I get fetus or something.

>>123867183
>basement
cry some more

>Rooms that spawn you next to a shooting champion

Fucking
Why

Unless you're moving immediately on the room loading, you get hit
Moving on entry also gets you hit in rooms with spikes or red poops
It's unavoidable

>>123868894
N-n-no it's n-n-not! Y-y-you j-j-just h-h-have t-t-to b-b-be smart and n-n-not m-m-move until y-y-you see everything s-s-so you d-d-don't s-s-smack into a baddie and d-d-die! R-r-remember, R-r-retrovision isn't b-b-bad, and I l-l-like it on t-t-top of m-m-muh steak!

Does anyone have a list of all the dumbass nerfs Edmund did?

>>123869916
It's literally in the OP

>>123837348
>tammy's head
>trash
Unless you pick up soy milk and/or can't aim, it's one of the best activated items.

>>123848632
yes by all means

Jesus fuck CobaltStreak is so irritating how can anyone watch this fag

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>buy sackhead
>along the way pick up the petrified poop and jera
>a card against humanity shows up
>mfw

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>>123872568
>Get Sackhead w/ Guppy's Tail
>tfw literally hit 99 of everything and then emptying the item pools via D20
>tfw got Holy Mantle, Chaos, Brimstone, and Chocolate Milk back to back in the same room via D20ing a pile of Sacks

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Best guess for secret room?

I already checked the inside of the L

>>123875831
Save that bomb for later, enter sacrifice room.

>>123876021
I did, Guppy's Tail and Curse of the Tower.

I took both, because fucking curse of the blind, but oh well.

>>123849107
fun

jk

>>123876336
Curse of the Tower pretty dope though.

>>123862890
>implying there will be any damage ups
Haha

>>123877492
Only with bomb immunity

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help me choose(i dont have magic mushroom)

>>123878005
Fetus is great if you can learn to aim your bombs and/or get Remote Detonator. If you can't git gud and adjust to that, just take the head for the Damage Multiplier.

>pick up Monstro's Lung as the Keeper
>die to Larry

>>123878108
how would fetus and continuum work together?Wouldnt it just make it harder to aim?

>>123877975
Sounds like someone doesn't like FUN.
Always take curse of the tower, always take chaos, always take missing no.

>>123878193
As far as I know there aren't any interactions with Fetus and Continuum, so it might remove the effects of Continuum.

>>123878318
I always take items like Soy Milk or Curse of the Tower even though I know it's just going fuck my run up.

>play shit keeper
>acquire stopwatch, guppy, etc
>curse of the blind
>pick up no. 2 and curse if the tower
>already had cluster bombs
Yummy delicious steak

>>123878193
>>123878492
I guess tears still become spectral.

>>123878517
Soy milk and tech 2 are generally the only items I will never take, they don't really do anything fun on top of dramatically fucking up your damage. Could easily fix them by reducing the damage penalty but, nope.

Why the fuck would they make the greed main room vertical and not horizontal?

>>123879227
Tech 2 works well with high damage/low tears like eves maskara and polyphemus but has poor synergies. I take it most times anyways.

>>123879934
Ultra greed takes up a lot of vertical space

>>123879934
If that bothers you then you might be autistic

>>123880152
Surely they could have adjusted it to fit into 16:9.

>>123880264
>bothers
Keep sucking Hackmund's dick, meme-spouter.

>>123880445
I'm not sucking anyones dick
Guess you fags always have find something to complain about

>>123880731
Well, then, stay hipster.

>only need to find the new unlocks for 1001%
>don't know the best way to get them

can't decide if I should just R with isaac until I get them or do greed mode runs as him. Anyone have any tips for finding the mega satan head? I have like 5 items left to go

>>123881182
If you have a ton of Eden Tokens and already have the unlocks, just Spam R until you run out of Tokens.

>>123879227
I'd add cursed eye to this list. Not quite as bad but being teleported out of a boss fight at 5% remaining life is infuriating.

I can satisfyingly say that megastan is the worst boss in this game hands down.
>no devil deals
>difficulty comes from spawning a bunch of minibosses
>cant even see the boss when you're fighting it
>camera can scroll between phases making it impossible to dodge bullets

>>123882809
It's as if you're describing a Dark Souls 2 boss.

Has anyone here run into the issue where you automatically use spacebar items twice for whatever reason (obviously even without the car battery)? You can see this if you can't use things like Bob's Rotten Head, if you lose two battery charges at the same time, or if you place the portal item twice in the same spot.
Can I do anything about this from my side or do I have to accept that this game hates my computer?

best character to use for maxing out the greed machine?

>>123883798
cheat engine

but on a real note any of them if you plan on breaking the game using the glowing hourglass, isaac technically the easiest since he can reroll the starting items for the blank card but holding R is just as easy. If you don't feel like doing hundreds of 1c donations using the hourglass then you should just rotate through the roster since beating greed mode with one character lowers the jam percentage for the others.

For real though just cheat engine it.

>>123883798
Black Judas.

>>123881861
I kind of like cursed eye, but I'm a crazed fool who mostly just does the lost streaks now. It kind of feels like it charges up 4 shots faster than you'd just shoot 4 tears normally, and the small burst can be nice for killing globins.

>>123883798
Isaac, glowing hourglass still works and youll get tired of so many hours to do all runs manually.

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>>123883249
Please don't say the forbidden name of this game.

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Which consumable name does the voice say the worst?
>exshplosive...DiArRhEA
>*incoherent mumbling*...smaller

>>123885067
REE LAX

>>123884968
Is that a King's Field skeleton?
It kinda looks like one.

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>Start as Cain
>1st floor
>Champion black 4 leg spider that spawns normal spiders
>"Ok cool"
>Manages to hit me
>Immediately die

Did Autismund McSyndrome buffed the champion dmg or some shit because I am currently beyond pissed.The champion's color was the one which makes them drop a key.

>>123885067

innnFESTED

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>>123885505
>The champion's color was the one which makes them drop a key.

>just unlocked Eve
>first floor I get Monstro's lung and Cursed eye

>>123885067
>...
>...
>...
>...
>...
>Two of Clubs

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>>123885747
I have +200 hours on this shit and I realize just now...

>>123882809
No its Hush and his gorrillion hp on top of damage resist mechanic

>>123883484
Just found out how to fix it, I just re-enabled interpolation in that poorfag config thing and they're working well now. As a bonus my FPS seems to have improved as well, what the fuck.

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I am really in the mood for some steak

>>123889576
>proptosis
what

>>123889678
I think that the damage multiplier was decreased slightly, not sure though

>>123886917
hush doesn't bother me nearly as much.
>easy to dodge attack patterns
>usually plenty of life when I fight him
I agree it's a long slow fight but at least you can collect devil deals on the way to help out.

WHY DOES THE DAILY RUNS ALWAYS GET CUT OFF AT MUM OR MUMS HEART WHEN THEY GIVE YOU LOADS OF DAMAGE UPS AND GOOD ITEMS TO PREP YOU FOR GOING ALL THE WAY

Does car battery double book of belial's damage boost?

>>123891342

I don't think that BoB's damage multiplier stacks. It's useful with books that reward you with health.

>>123891342
No.

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>playing an Isaac run
>doing good, picked up a couple of nice things
>got meatboy2 and have Lil Steven
>Curse of the Blind on 3rd floor
>I should be fine
>Dunce Cap
>Can't hit shit for shit
>Lil steven and meatboy pecking away at enemies
>use all my bombs on the boss
>sofuckedmyself despite getting consistent damage ups
>find shop room and use my last 5 cents to buy a card because fuck it
>CHAOS CARD
>New purpose in life: Live long enough to throw the card right at Hushs big fat health bar
>treasure room on that floor is Tech X
>synergizes with Dunce. I shoot 2 giant laser rings that fille the room top to bottom
>pick up spidermod, more damage
>Pandoras Box. Have battery baby and the 9 Volt so take it
>get to Hush and find a shitload of good treasure pickups: Icepac, Crickets Head, Chemical Peel etc. all godtier shit
>1 shot that blue blobby bastard
>zap my way thru Cathedral
>destroy ??? level after

EVERYTHING WENT BETTER THAN EXPECTED

>steak general
oh boy here we go again

>>123882809
megastan isn't really that bad
even an average endgame loadout can take him with empress/strength cards
if you put a skilled azazel in there with nothing but dry baby, wafer, starter deck, empress, and strength, my money would be on azazel
and then there's shit like brim/ludovico or chaos cards which just fuck megastan and his boss rush sideways

outside of normal chest/dark room fare, the best shit to have is meat shields, bloody lust/lusty blood, empress/strength/devil cards, etc.

also guppy rapes him just like any other boss

the shit you want to bring into megastan is the stuff that exploits the following:
>the fight takes place in a single room
>there are over 15 enemies throughout the fight, many of which appear together
>you'll probably be taking a good bit of damage
>there are a lot of projectiles at all times

also, remember to use bombs if you've got them, especially if you have something like sad bombs/brimstone

really the only reason getting megastan wins is hard is because it's a pain trying to get the keys, which is truthfully less to do with not getting devil room items (angel room items are usually better on megastan anyways) and more to do with devil rooms showing up when you want an angel room

>>123891103
If you weren't a scrub and found the super secret room on the last floor you got an ehwaz rune to Sheol.
The fact I wasn't allowed to fight the hush in that run is a travesty though.

>>123892214
What the fuck was Breadmund thinking with Dunce Cap? R U A Wizard is a pill nobody fucking takes if they know what it is unless they have a synergy. LITERALLY nobody would take it if they couldn't get an immediate synergy. It's just a shitty 20/20

>playing ???
>first item is mr dolly
>for the first time it gives two red hearts and one black heart instead of the other way around

Edstealthnerf McDoublenigger strikes again!

>>123892776
no bombs left :(

also, as I'm sure you already know, why does the algorithm that figures out where to put the super secret room always work from the boss room backwards to find a suitable wall?

>>123892991
It's supposed to prioritize a square with only one adjacent room as close to the boss room as possible, though sometimes it bugs out and goes as far as possible instead.
Also the boss rush had x-ray glasses, nerd.

>>123893563
I didn't get to the boss rush in time, don't get angry senpai :^)

>>123892743
Yeah I know what you're saying, maybe I'm just pissy because I had to go through the gauntlet of doing mega satan with all of the characters for achievos. For most of them I did hush and mega satan in the same run and hush was never a problem where as simply getting to megasatan was a headache half the time. Having a run die in the cathedral because angel rooms refused to spawn made me salty as hell. The one time I died because the screen scrolled away from my character with bullets on the screen was infuriating, and resetting for 30 minutes with the lost because I kept getting hit my miniboss stray bullshit also put salt in the wound.

He's not unbeatably hard or anything I just really don't like the fight and how you have to get to it.

The Relic>Dark Bum

>>123895069
depends on how lucky you are with heart drops really. Dark Bum is usually better though.

>>123892887
dolly gives 3 random hearts. it never "always" gave 2 black and a red.

>>123895359
In my experience I've gotten more consistently with Relic.
Sometimes you really really really just need hearts

I don't need all these spiders you bum stop throwing them at me

Which character starts with a key again?

>>123895725
Cain

Upgraded Keeper > Upgraded Lost > Keeper > Lost

100% literally mathematically objective

>>123892870
better than butter bean

>>123895850
How many devil deals can you take as the Keeper compared to the Lost
MATHEMATICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE
CAN I GET A PIE CHART MAYBE

>>123895805
cool thanks. gonna use that faggot to R in greed mode looking for the last few items I need while farming for the blank card so I can break the game and try to get 1001% tonight.

>>123895850
hell no
Upgraded Lost >>>> Upgraded Keeper
the rest is alright.

Upgraded keeper is playable with the nickle but unless they fix the exit/restart glitch lost is virtually invincible.

Now keeper with swallowed penny is arguably better than the lost but the tear delay from inner eye is so fucking hard to overcome.

>>123885067
Not a pill, but.
DAIC. SHOORD.
Plus he says it so fucking edgy.

>>123885067
C-C-C-Cuh-Westyin...maaaark?

>>123897006

am I a retard for not being able to tell what this is

>>123897448
yes
He meant dice shard

>>123896120
As many as you need to fight mega satan

>>123896347
What is stopping people from using the savestate exploit with Keeper. I know I did it far fewer with Keeper compared to Lost.

Keeper's strength is that good play gives you lodsemone, combined with shop key gives you your pick of the store items. Devil room is a lot less reliable in comparison what with brimstone being so rare and items that are redundant on Lost like pit lord, night spirit, guppy paw, etc.

>>123897718
>What is stopping people from using the savestate exploit with Keeper
it's been fixed so you can't do it. But with the lost if you get hit and it removes your holy mantle you can exit the game and resume and the room resets including your holy mantle. Basically infinite retries as long as you don't get hit twice.

>>123897718
The alt+f4 exploit was patched out.
The main problem with the lodsemone idea is that shop items are generally way weaker than devil deal items, and since the keeper's coin hearts count as red health for some reason you can't even try to get angel rooms either unless you just don't get hit period, which is hard on a character with Maggy levels of speed.
Also having -2 luck is kind of garbage.

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>>123897718
>guppy's paw
>not liking a free guppy part

>>123897718
why bother fighting megastan if all the rewards are shit-tier

What's this whole steak meme about?

Is it possible to use cheatengine to fudge only certain achievements and unlocks?

>>123898285
https://youtu.be/UJVuLvGjPOc?t=2h16m43s

Whats better for a Lilith boss rush, Big Fan or Lil Haunt?

>>123898285
Less than a week after the game's release, dataminers on reddit were desperate to find all the secrets and get all the unlocks for the game, the most notable being The Lost (which was infamously datamined in 109 hours, although the case could be made that the BoI community was close to working out the puzzle anyway).

This lead the devs (don't remember if it was Tyrone or Edmund) to use the analogy that "it's like eating a $100 steak in one bite", therefore all the Afterbirth nerfs became attributed to that, especially since the ARG for Keeper has some suspicious connections to The Lost drama.

>>123898602
Big fan imo, having a bunch of haunts running aboot fucks with enemy aggro something fierce.

>>123896347
I don't get the hate for triple shot. The delay isn't bad, and it triples damage. You just gotta get used to it.

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>>123898884
>triples damage

>>123898884
In almost all cases it's a dps down since your tear rate is basically cut in 1/3rd and the liklihood you're going to connect with all 3 shots is pretty slim. Plus picking up charge items or additional tear down/tear delay up items and you're fucked.

>>123899159

What about quad shot?

>>123899230
pretty much the same, not quite as bad since connecting with more tears is more likely. But in general those items just arent very good without additional synergies.

Mom's knife, brimstone, monstros lung, etc all suck with inner eye and quad shot and those items by themselves can usually carry a game.

can i pirate afterbirth and use it on my purchased version of rebirth?

>>123814956
The one from /utg/? I talked to the guy but never saw its completion.

Link?

>>123814791
I like Rebirth's. The original was pretty good but god damn Basement was terrible.

Also Chorus Mortis is fucking awesome and Viscera is suitably creepy.

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>>123899230
It's the same delay, but you get 4 shots.

>>123899405
>mom's knife with quad shot
>bad

>>123899461
>>123814791
Oh, but Enmity of the Dark Lord, Lament of the Angel, and My Innermost Apocalypse are great of course.

Too bad I was a shitter who never got to hear any of them

>>123899159
I still consider it a good upgrade. It allows for hitting multiple enemies at once, gives diagonal shots, synergies well, and theres no trouble hitting bosses two or three shots.

Why am I getting random 'Luck Up' when picking coins?

>>123900358
Finding coins is lucky.

>>123900358
Lucky Pennies are the first unlock from the Greed Machine. Random pennies give luck up.

>>123900763
is it a straight +1?

>>123901598
Not from what I've seen

>>123901598
Yep. Lucky you.

>doing Have a Heart challenge, get a full health pill
>a few minutes later, get hematemesis pill in the womb
>had sack boy so I didn't even get a heart back
T-Thanks

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This is a dumb question but has anyone been noticing any weird frame rate drops? Mine sometimes drops for a split second every now and then, and I have an i5 4690K.

>>123901894
I beat that challenge because Id picked up dead cat and something else...forgot. But dead cat helped immensly

So I have to beat Hush and Mega Stan with the fucking Lost.

I know I'm fucked beyond repair, but is there maybe a single item i could hold R for to make my life easier? really I'm more worried about hush than stan, i still don't know how to reliably dodge those fucking continuum shots

>>123903929
For the continuum shots, literally just stand still. All the shots follow a pattern, so any safe spot will remain safe.

>>123904107
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU ANON THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY IT'S THAT SIMPLE

i'll try it anyway

>>123904165
It really is. The walls tend to be the safest spots, and good range lets you get free damage. Just watch for if he starts shooting in another direction.

>>123903929
Gnawed Leaf and any familiar or item that does damage by itself. That's what I did for Ultra Greed.

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>beat mom's heart as lilith
>go down to blue womb
>no battery in the shop
>can't pop box of friends on hush

>>123905305
Should have though of that before using it on an easy boss like Heart.

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Lmao 2brim

>spear is fucking fun for mom
>got Mantle on first floor
>slowly tanking the fuck up because I can avoid all the chip damage from going through levels
>actually get dark boy

I love this run.

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Shenanigans happened and now I have Bob's brain and Curse of the tower
This is going to be fucking hilarious

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>>123906246
My poor sides.

>>123906462
Well, Curse of the Tower is pretty situational, and Bob's Brain is good on low-medium damage builds, so I'd say you're fine with a bit of luck.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpdUAFc5uaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c7l-mHH6A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd6cZB6ql6c

>>123906705

am I missing something here?

>>123906705
I don't really mind how bad he is, but if someone's demonstrating bosses, they should be using Isaac for it.

>>123906246
>>123906629
>taking the bat
>using filters
>Lmao
>thinking anyone cares about your playthrough blogging

topfaggot/10

>>123906705
I don't get how someone can be so fucking bad as azazel.
Is he doing it on purpose?

>>123906705
I don't understand.

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>>123906689
Well it's over now.
I picked this thing because I didn't knew what it does (it's new) and everything went horribly wrong.
Plus the brain acts really weird with it. Sometimes it would go the exact opposite of where the reticle was.

>>123908238
Yeah, that thing is weird and situational. Not a huge fan.

>>123908238
Marked gives you a big tears up, but makes you shoot where the mark is. It's effectively 360 degree shots, but they're pretty hard to aim, so most people are pretty bad with it. It works really well with certain builds, though.

>Depths XL
>on the start of the floor, have Bottle of Pills
>telepills
>straight to Mom fight
fuck

Alright anon.
How many completion marks do you have with the lost?

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Why do none of the new flies count towards Lord of the Flies? I know that would make 15 items for the transformation pool, but still. A Beelzebub transformation for collecting five fly items would be cool too. Might as well if you're gonna have so many flies, especially if a portion of them are undesirable.

>>123910497
haven't unlocked him yet

>>123910256
>against better judgement do Boss Rush
>at one health for most of it
>get another Telepills
fuck yes
what a wild ride

>>123910497
Haven't unlocked him. I got the missing poster and died in the sacrifice room
As Samson
Ugh

>>123910497
Full. Same with Keeper. I'm only missing Samson Hush and Mega Satan and Azazel Mega Satan.

>>123910817
I don't think you understand how to unlock him.
You just gotta die as four different characters four different ways, one after another. The poster stuff was just to figure that out.

>>123911098
That was changed in the last patch though.

>>123911191
Was it really? I had not idea. That weird. Was there any other major changes?

>>123910817
Why does it matter if it's Samson?

>>123910497
I haven't unlocked him, because I random run and fuck randoming into him

>>123911523
It has to be isaac holding the poster to die for unlocking the lost

>>123892870
Kicks ass on Azrael desu
Only flaw is drowned chargers/mini gish

>>123903929
>>123904107
You have done me a great service, anon, and I thank you.

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>>123913479
>>123910497

Here's me fucking up the picture attachment and missing a post that's relevant to me, in one fell swoop.

>>123913479
>>123913479
No problem. Those continuum shots are more disorienting, but they're the easiest part once you know how they work. Hush is a lot more simple than it seems all around. More of an endurance than anything. Congrats bud.
Now I need to do it myself.

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>one heart no extra lives in dark room
>bomb open secret room
>womb room full of hearts duplicated by humbling bundle
>mfw dark bum

Thanks for the steak, Ed.

>>123899529
Eh moms knife with quad shot isn't great. The delay makes it take for fucking ever to charge the knife so your range is usually shit which can be really bad for some bosses.

>>123913958
Dark Bum will only put out red hearts in that room, so you won't gain any health.

>>123915532

Let him eat the hearts and leave the room before he starts shitting them out.

>>123915532
Which is why you leave the room.

Can you blow up golden ultra greed?
I have the spider and it showed it having a health bar.
I also have dr fetus and have been sitting here shitting bombs on it doing damage, the chest in front of him started vibrating too.

>>123916691
Post a screenshot.

>>123917018
I already quit out because i was doing it for a while before posting, but a screenshot wont show the vibrating

the healthbar gets hidden by the chest when it spawns too

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So can you scum some devil deals with the Strenght card? Not like I want these just wondering

>>123916691
I've heard that you can kill Golden Greed by throwing a chaos card at it, but have never personally tried it. As someone who buys Spidermod whenever he sees it, I can confirm that golden greed has a health bar and (apparently) takes damage, but there are other "invulnerable" enemies who do that too. Still, could be something to it?

>>123917190
>>123916691
The stone turret heads have bars too.

>>123917902
You can, but given how your HP goes back to normal after leaving the room the only use I know for doing that is if you're running only on spirit hearts. (use strength -> buy something for a heart -> leave with all your soul HP intact)

>>123916691
No. Death Heads and Moving Spikes have health bars too, but you can't interact with those.

The chest shakes when there's a pickup touching it, since it's placed close to the statue.

There's nothing new you'll find there.

>>123917902

>devil deal with satanic bible and abaddon
>can't realistically take either when literally every other character in the game could take both

jesus christ someone give me ONE reason to ever play this character if I'm not a post-it autist

are his unlocks even good?

>>123910497
All except Hush and MegaStan

recently first tried greed mode after I finally unlocked Holy Mantle


though I did need some of 9 lives because turns out it's pretty hard not to get hit twice in such a long fight

>>123918220
Keeper now holds a single penny!
no, they're not

>>123918220
No, almost all his unlocks are terrible

it's literally a meme 'lel so hard' character

>>123918220
>Sticky Nickel

Garbage.

>Super Greed Baby

Trash.

>Keeper's Store Key

Mediocre.

>Wooden Nickel

Refuse.

>Karma

Lousy.

>Deep Pockets

So so.

>Rib of Greed

Decent.

>Keeper Now Holds A Penny

A poor fucking JOKE.

>Noose Baby

More garbage.

>Sale Baby

Oh boy, even more putrid rotten worthless T R A S H.

The Keeper is worthless, his unlocks are worthless, he shouldn't even be in the game. Edmund has a sick fucking obsession with his terrible idea of a challenge and his increasingly slippery grip on reality over his hangups regarding this and datamining.

>>123918220
Karma is decent. The rest is shit.

9WG4 - NPSG
>Samson
>Lost Contact, Poison Bombs, and Halo first floor
>Easy Arcade 2nd floor for early IV bag, also has Head of Keeper and more importantly, BFF
>Lilith Starter Pack devil deal, has Incubus and Cambion Conception
You can see where I'm going with this, right?

Oh, and
>Holy Mantle choice in Boss Rush, reward is Death's Touch

>>123919603
Oh, and I forgot
>Brimstone in Womb II
But you might not want that if you're going for Hush.

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>>123919997

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So...

This is one of my last mark to get. On what item should I focus to take down Hush? Head of the Keeper?

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HAHA I LOVE THE KEEPER VERY FUN HAHA XD

>>123918517
I just did Hush and MegaStan in a single run (see: >>123913657 ). It's tough, but if the RNG smiles upon you you can do it, anon. I didn't even have to cheese anything with Gnawed Leaf, I just had an insane damage output (5 tear delay and 20 damage per shot).

>>123921267
Head of Keeper is good, but you also need good damage to get there in time. A Mom's Knife start would be ideal, since it's a hard carrying item that works pretty well against Hush too. If you have that, you can take your time bombing pots in the first two floors as well. Make sure to hit up shops for Mom's Box, if you don't have Swallowed Penny by the end of Basement II, it'll help a lot.

>>123921724
Oh I know anon, new Lost with Holy Mantle (and d4 to save your run if you get jackshit) is pretty fun and decently balanced (although still challenging)

I'll have no problem getting Hush and Megastan with him
just haven't tried yet
Keeper on the other hand...

>>123921267
chaos card

>>123922217
Fuck the Keeper. I have him unlocked but I'm not even touching the Keeper until I have literally nothing else to do, because the only reason I'd deal with him is to round out RPG.

Hey, dumb question. Does modding the game lock you out of dailies or mess them up? Or does the game default to its natural state for them? I'd like to mess around with some mods for fun, but I'd like to know if I'm going to sacrifice doing dailies for it.

ugh. this game. sucks. like ew, just ew.

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>>123922552
Does this answer your question?

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Well, uhh, fuck.

>>123922825
I figured that was something other than mods, though. Ah what the fuck do I care, I'll make a backup to restore if I want to do dailies that bad, the game is just too shitty right now to want to bother.

>>123922825
haha why the fuck do people cheat on dailies
like what's the fucking point

>>123922217
Technically, isn't it almost the same thing? Both can only take two hits before dying, although one has much more survivability thanks to being able to fly (but then again the other one can have infinite health with a few items).

>>123923201
Because that's the only way they'll ever achieve a spot in any top 10 in their lives.

>>123923347
The Keeper is slower, cannot fly, has a very slow rate of fire to start, the tears can't pass objects, and his two hits don't automatically regen between rooms, AND his unlocks are some real lousy shit compared to the Lost.

I find it fucking herculean that Edmund managed to get so salted he introduced a character WORSE than the goddamn Lost. That takes some serious fucking up.

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Which one?
I already have Eve's Mascara so I'm unsure if I should go all the way on damage with Proptosis or just have 4 nukes with Quad Shot.