/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

>>123699682
that image is shit and you should feel like shit

what's the earliest hunter tool you get, beast roar?

XTH for Santzo is doing runs of Shrimpguy for speedrun practice if you need any hints on how to kill him.
I realize this is advertising but I genuinely just want people to know.

>>123699868
I feel great for making such a great image that it managed to offend the kind of anon that whines at the top of threads - clearly your tastes are garbage

>>123699682
Literally the worst image ive seen on any fucking thread ever

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Top 10 for Cainhurst.

>>123699987
i'm glad you feel like shit

>>123699990
Welcome to 4chan, anon. Enjoy your first day here.

>>123699872
That being out of forbidden woods I guess it is
The fasting damaging tool would be I guess executioner's gloves since you can get it as soon as forbidden woods opens up too, via optional stuff

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>fight club
>in chalice
JUST
STOP

I honestly can't join the fight club now. I'm just gonna invade DLC guys.

>>123698919
Status gems are still completely useless.

When will all the DLC newcomers leave?

>>123700091
>>123699990
Boohoo princess, jesus christ. Tampon changing time

>>123700185
>Newfags in the thread think they can change thing
LMAO
M
A
O

>>123700185
>clues in possession: 0

>playing gun build
>avoided spoilers, find minigun early on in the dlc
>SWEET. MOTHER. OF. GOD.
>+10 that bitch immediately, put runes on it
>it's still fucking garbage
I don't know what I feel.

>>123700286
>newfags
nice try /dsg/

>>123700183
You can get the Old Bone as soon as you beat BSB.

>>123699872
that and augur of ebrietas.

>>123700185
>>123700372

Anyone that has beaten BLB can use this chalice

The pizza cutter is literally fucking broken with Pellets in PVE

Ludwig died in 12 seconds
Living Failures died on spawn with L2
Maria got backed in to a corner with L2 and near permanently staggered

what the fuck is this shit. I only have 18% gems on this too

>>123700264
>>123700286
I hope you're DLCfags shitting up the thread and not good ol' fight club participants from the past, cause you're acting like cunts.

Having the fight club in the DLC is pretty appropriate imo. This week at least.

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>New dlc weapons have hyper armor out the ass
Jesus Christ, the hyperarmor on the meat grinder L2's of the rakuyo have fucked me in the ass twice now, and even the saif can power through MLGS hits
Shit's ridiculous

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>brother who hasn't played bloodborne yet but wants to asks me how the dlc is
>"it's great! you can even turn into an alien, look!"
>"what? aliens? I thought this game was about killing werewolfs and stuff?"
>mfw

>>123699565
I mean an area with solo bell ringing lady.

>>123699870
Can't even get him to the second phase. But will try locking on, I never do that for big bosses.

>>123700570
Well there's a reason there's currently a line for having sex with the Saif, you know.

>>123700456
Sorry, BSB, the boss of Old Yharnham. If you haven't beaten him you stand literally no chance in FC

>>123700548
What a shit image, jesus christ
>im going to make ANOTHER post about how the image isnt to my liking! Fucking worst thing ever!
>Boo hoo princess, cry about it
>OMG STOP ACTING LIKE CUNTS UR NOT OLDFAGS

loranon?

>>123700570
They went full DeS with some of the hyper armor on stuff.

>no healing
>in the game which everyone weapon 2 shots

>>123700674
What the fuck are you even on about? Spewing out nonsensical corollaries. I'm just some dude who noticed people being cunts, and decided to call them out.

>>123700548
I'm down, but everyone has killed the bosses

>>123700456
Of course. But chalices are ugly. We always had good pvp locations in DeS, DaS, but now we're in fuckin chalice garbage like a rats. Why not central Yharnam? Why not Hunter's Nightmare? Both locations have optional boss for purpose

>>123700674

he didnt even say anything about the image, quit sperging out autist

>Get excited
>Accidentally bump L2 button against my leg
>Oh whoops shit!
>Start mashing R1
>Meanwhile, bullet actually landed a visceral
>Saif R1 takes me into visceral range, hits
>Because I'm mashing R1, get burrito

gg beary

>>123700803
Then next time you decide to blunder into a conversation and spout your uninformed opinion like an indignant child, read the whole thing

*tips jimmy hat*

Good day

>>123700894
We also wouldn't be able to guarantee we fight each other as passwords don't work with sinister bell

>>123700396
oh yeah, that's true.
say, speaking of the bone, does it give your dodge additional iframes or just make you feel anime as fuck?

>>123700570
MLGS is the worst offender, almost every move on that thing has hyper armour, its fucking disgusting.

>>123701041
Central Yharnam is dead

>>123700674
Loranon has far more important things to argue about. Like whether or not the girlfriend he insisted was real has an authentic snatch.

Is anyone in the fight club
Or does everyone set their network settings to local

tfw australian

>>123701041
It's not difficult to follow a two post conversation. You have some sort of issue man? Calm down and quit memeing so hard to save face.

>>123701020
GG lil nigga
I'm trying because it's cool as shit but I am having a really hard time getting into the saif, it's pretty wonky

What are the best gem imprints on a Burial Blade and also, do I always get a weapon out of a root chalice, /bbg/?

>>123701201
I'm not trying to save face, I meant what I said

>it's not hard to follow a two person conversation
>he can't do it

figure it out, you are quite literally a waste of time so i won't respond anymore

>>123701146
>20 posters in this thread.
>tfw US only fight club

saif l1's are too godly

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Has she stolen your heart too, /bbg/?

>>123701219
Uncanny BB. Weapons are randomly given out from some chests in root chalices, no guarantee they'll be there.

>>123701360
You don't even know what point you're attempting to make.

Two different people called out OP on making a very obviously minimal effort image that is, honestly, very easy to make fun of, then you sperged out because you can't handle a single bit of criticism. Quit being a cunt.

>>123701405
I fucking know, dude.
I-I'm going to try to ask her out tomorrow. Does anyone know what kind of music she likes?

>>123701213
saif is anything but wonky m8

>>123700406
>augur of ebrietas
so what happens if I get grabbed holding both the tonsil stone and DLC hunter's eye

>>123701405
Fuck yes son, god tier weapon, I use the L1s more than the fucking R1 on this baby, its such an unpredictable weapon when you mix it up

sorry for that not bloodbullet i did, forgot

Jesus the Rakuyo is strong.
Btw do you all have 27% gems? First time fightclubbing but damage wise I can keep up with mensis gems.

>>123701517
How are you defining sperging out? I would call the initial criticism sperging out.

Not OP by the way, nor the first guy. Congrats on following that conversation

>>123701219
>do I always get a weapon out of a root chalice
Could be weapon, could be a rune.

What is up with Orphan's lightning attack? seems really out of place.

>>123701529
It's wonky to me, I just can't get into it so I'm on a losing streak, hoping something clicks or else I'm gonna have to abandon the thing

>>123701697
he calls out to his mama to help him out

>>123700185
I don't get it as well. It's such a godawful looking area.

Cainhurst castle. That corridor where you fight the first small rapier-wielding guy. Now that's a perfect place for pvp.

>>123701574
I believe the cathedral ward amygdala can only work with the eye and the one right of amelia can only work with the tonsil stone.

unless im wrong in which case WELP.

>>123699682
will the fightclub chalice scale us down

>>123701574
you find out why the guy on the altar in the DLC has no legs.

>>123701764
lel wut a fag

>>123701713
Use it the opposite way you used the saws (1 hand into tricked), Said is best when you start in longated and fold it mid combo.

Any tips for the fish hook giant sharks? They just keep spamming their unparryable attacks until I eventually get stuck on their model and die.

so i just got a 12% blunt attack up,72 flat arcane triangle from frc brainsucker boss

it was on my bl 43 wheel twink is this gem better than %phys for the wheel?

>>123699682
>fight clubs in chalice dungeons
come on man chalice dungeons are for grinding gems. pick dlc locations and use passwords to connect ffs. it's like playing street fighter in training mode.

>>123701467
Nah mate, she fell to her knees eating my mighty thrusts. My white stuff was all over her.

>>123701968
Shaman blade. Literally the only time I used it.

>>123701405
>>123701586
I figured the saif was going to be pretty sick nasty in PvP when the blood-drunk saif hunters kept brutally murdering me with a seemingly infinite and ever-changing moveset

>>123701713
it's R1 dash is huge
>>123702054
It's way it's been done since day 1 mate, everyone can summon and beckon in here

>>123702054
Fight clubs in dungeons is very convenient, it ensures that everyone can invade and be invaded because you can just refresh the dungeon for the boss to be alive instead of having to go into another ng+

Should i switch to the holy moonlight sword? or just stick with ludwigs? feels ludwigs does a bit more

>>123702131
Not the dual one, just beat that, just them in general. Only beat it because it stopped spamming lunges.

>>123702278
Unless you have a decent amount of Arcane you're better off with Ludwigs

>>123702278
ML has faaaar better hyper armour, worth the slight loss in DPS

>>123702131
Oh. I haven't even seen them outside of that hole?

>>123702246
The R1 dash is also parry bait as fuck with that windup

>>123699682
>123699682
Helpful anons, do any of you know how to open the very first door in the forbidden lab of the dlc?

Not the one with tthe elevator, but the locked one?
I guess there is a secret path somewhere

>>123702448
ops this was meant for >>123702310

How do I get Simon to spawn in ludwigs room? And can I get his outfit?

>>123702448
Just past the well there's a lone one. Just beat it because I got lucky again and it stopped lunging.

Just started the DLC, if OId Hunters takes place in the past, why is Yaharnam so fucked up?
Is it due to it being a Nightmare and not a real place?

>>123702498
Nope

the answer lies in the room with the elevator

>>123702652
>>123701968
P I Z Z A

Seriously it shits out damage on them and it can stagger like crazy, holding L2 actually knocks them out of attacks. Also molotovs do like 250 damage

>>123702498
>forbidden lab
wut

>Bloody Crow of Cainhurst is harder than Maria

Fuck this gay earth

>>123702831
>OId Hunters takes place in the past
It doesn't

After spending some time looking over lore and stuff...why is it even a theory that the moon presence is oedon, or anyone else?

It's referred to as the nameless moon presence, paleblood. when it's stated to be nameless and paleblood why do we think it has a name and why do people think paleblood refers to anything but moon presence.

Are people just trying to overcomplicate and make their theories fit or is there logic.

>>123702831
>if OId Hunters takes place in the past
It doesn't

>>123702831
What's with the notion of Old Hunters being in the past? My first inclination was that it was Gerhman's dream.

>>123703007
>>123703043
Ahhhhhhh

Is it normal that I only fight and loose to the same guys? I had like 5 different opponents after 45 mins.

>>123701047
It increases the recovery speed of dodging, allowing you to preform them faster, with less punishing frames.

>>123702894
Interesting, I may have to give that thing a try. It did look fun.

>>123703267
bbg is like 2 people, someone should post that picture in gamefaqs and reddit and wherever else there can be pvp players

>>123703136

It doesn't matter whose dream or nightmare it is

It still depicts things that happened in the past.

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its so hard not to heal when they wanna shoot me to death

>>123702882
does it involve the brain juice lady?

>>123703035
i think people tend to discount the moon presence in their lore theories because it doesn't have a recurring name/appearance in e.g. item descriptions, unlike oedon

so people will spin these elaborate theories regarding oedon and discount the role of the literal final boss of the game

at least visually, i think it's really clear that moon presence's blood is the source of the beast plague, since the theme throughout the game is that the microbiome (blood, parasites, vermin) of the great ones transforms you into a being "like" the great ones, and all of the beasts in the game share key design elements with moon presence (especially it's grossly exposed rib cage and how it moves)

that and of course the moon is the source of werewolves, seriously

It doesn't take place in the past. It's in the nightmare.

Some of the events there are essentially nightmare inhabitants reliving the past or being trapped in an endless memory of the past, but it doesn't directly take place in the past. As in...it doesn't mean everything there happened at the same time. E.g maria's death and orphan's birth won't actually have been happening at the same time in real life like they do in game.

>>123703136
Because it's reminiscent of the DaS 1 dlc which was in the past. Also people are getting confused thinking that since there is "old hunter" stuff in the nightmare, it must be in the past.

>>123703397
it's a dream that depicts the past, but this past has been "happening" continously with the bloodborne timeline, so most of the fucked stuff you see has been happening while the dream existed. It's a sort of limbo phase, sorta

Everyone who's claiming that it was Byrgenwerth that fucked up the Fishing Hamlet has no idea what they're talking about.

It was the Choir that found the fishing hamlet, their research labs connect directly to it. We know that the choir ran around calling themselves the carriers of Byrgenwerth's torch, and so when they told the fishpeople this, it makes sense that they'd blame Byrgenwerth for their problems. Furthermore, since the Old Blood was cursed in response to their atrocities, it makes sense that the perpetrators would be users of the Blood (which disqualifies Byrgenwerth), since otherwise cursing the Blood is unproductive.

The choir set up their research labs outside the Hamlet to conduct their experiments, and when Maria made the Hunter's Nightmare, she sucked both locations into the Nightmare to hide them from interlopers

>>123703571
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>>123703575
I don't think moon presence is the source of the beast plague. The blood found in the chalice dungeons is the source of the beast plague.

Moon presence tried to help the humans and fix the beast plague by giving gehrman power to hunt the beasts. It just fucked everything up in the end though.

>>123703737
So you're saying Maria was the host of the nightmare, like Micolash? Otherwise the nightmare would've gotten slain when you killed her

>>123703007
>>123703136

I assumed it was sort of like AotA, where we devle into the past to see things that were referred to (such as Ludwig) but never seen in the base game. The nam e didn't help much either.

Still is there are reason why Yharnam looks the way it does? Or is the way it looks twisted by it being a nightmare?

>>123703737
Then why is the fish guy at the beginning of the level so buttmad about byrgenwerth?

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As if people weren't already aware, the pizza cutter is a ridiculously strong weapon in PvE, but it's also excellent in PVP
https://youtu.be/1U9ipkhMu9s

>>123702649
1. Don't talk to Ludwig in a church outfit
2. Don't kill him
3. Visit the room after you've progressed a bit, but before the next boss

Yes, you can get his outfit. No, it's not by killing him or progressing through his quest; it's a body in the village.

>>123703640

No shit, it's in a nightmare.

But it'd still about past events.

>>123703992
the Choir runs around telling everyone "we're the heirs to the will of Byrgenwerth" and the fishguy said in response "man FUCK this Byrgenwerth place"

>>123703737
>their research labs connect directly to it.
The path through the clock is not something that exists in reality.

>>123703575
>literally ignoring the main point of the final boss of the DLC

Bravo. Especially in a huge blog post about ignoring the final boss of the game.

Fuck this community, jesus christ

Shit if you just fought Grandma and I forgot to bloodbullets I apologize I didn't notice until the end

>>123703920
Yes. The way I see it, each Nightmare has a host (who dictates it's form), and a power source.
>Hunter's Nightmare/fishing village/Nightmare Frontier: host is Maria, source is the Orphan
>Nightmare of Mensis: host is Micolash, source is Mergo
>Hunter's Dream: host is Gehrman, source is the MP
>>123704150
which is a security feature added by Maria

>>123704027
yo kobra whats your bloodletter build? what gems do you have, you're 2-3 shotting people.

>>123703920

Nightmare didn't disappear after Micolash died either.

Honestl,y a lot of these shit don't make sense anyway.

At least Maria a cute, even as a corpse.

>>123704027
hell yeah it is. I get so many people with the transform attack it's crazy. Here's a vid of me lead elixiring and pooping on two dudes and the stupid npc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UvK-dS49aY

>>123703640
>doesn't take place in the past
>it relives memories of the past for context

that's basically the same thing dude, it's not like it's going to be showing the future or anything that hasn't happened yet

>>123704121
I dunno. It seems like a really, really big storytelling flaw to have it implied that a group calling them something else causes this issue. It's just confusing.

I think at the very least hunters from byrgenwerth assisted the choir in their experiments.

>>123703834
i think the blood found in the chalice dungeons is moon presence's, and that the umbilical cord possessed by gehrman is from moon presence's child, which is why it summoned the moon presence. honestly i think that mergo is moon presence's child

i really dislike these theories where like oedon is responsible for 90% of the mythological lore events and moon presence is just some guy who popped out of nowhere, and the fact that he's the ONLY great one that STRONGLY resembles a beast is just some coincidence, even though the only other examples of microbiome transformation turn you into a being like the associated great one (e.g. kos)

it seems very direct to me. and it's a werewolf game, and there are notes that clearly state everyone is turning into beasts because of the descent of the red moon

>>123704103
Yeah it's just to clarify because people had some serious issues accepting that in the previous thread. Someone was suggesting that what happened in the nightmare is 100% seperate and irrelevant to the real world and stuff like the research lab is a contradiction because in the real world it's full of celestials and in the nightmare its full of failures...as if they aren't the same location representing different times.

>>123704027
What gems and % are you using?

>>123704121
>>123703992
I'd like to take the time to point out that assfrustrated fishman had some incredible delivery. I'm amazed he could make those sounds while keeping up a good voice.

Where the fuck did Frognation find him and Ludwig, goddamn weird fuckers.

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anybody make some good Maria/doll sliders yet?

I suck at using the character creator, and I won't start my Maria build until I get good sliders.

I'll take anything that looks close enough, even if it ends up looking like Priscilla or some shit

>>123704309
>reading the conversation you've been having
>oh yeah, Maria is the one that the DLC is centered around; the tragedy caused by the church etc,
>wait, why isn't it over when you kill her?
>remember orphan
>read this post

IT MAKES SENSE

>>123703834
My impression was that the moon presence grew hunters to kill other old ones.

MP seemed to be one of the younger old ones, with it never outright appearing. It always appeared to me as if it was a young adult out to get power/have mankind for it alone.

is this how autismal this general gets? Explaining that the DLC is a nightmare about things that have happened in the past?

>lore autists

kill yourself

>>123704252
the curse is the nightmare, not the beast plague

fuck you, too

>>123704309

you keep getting more and more elaborate about your version of the lore

generally the more in detail you have to get and the more backpeddeling you need to do to convince people shows how incorrect the theory really is

>maria is host
>but maria is killed and nightmare doesn't end
>THERE'S TWO HOSTS

>>123704309
>Yes. The way I see it, each Nightmare has a host (who dictates it's form), and a power source.
>>Hunter's Nightmare/fishing village/Nightmare Frontier: host is Maria, source is the Orphan
>>Nightmare of Mensis: host is Micolash, source is Mergo
>>Hunter's Dream: host is Gehrman, source is the MP

Came to this exact same conclusion earlier today. I wholeheartedly agree, though I'm still a bit unsure of where Micolash's nightmare is supposed to be based on, or why the nightmare frontier doesn't have either/if it needs one at all

Where's the early fire gem?
I thought it was by the brainsucker near the entrance to the clinic, but nope

>>123704367
of course hunters from Byrgenwerth helped them. Gehrman knew Master Willem, and so him and his apprentices were probably from Byrgenwerth.

And we know from the Choir set that the Choir never stopped considering themselves students of Byrgenwerth, and based all their aesthetics and research methods on it, so it's not a stretch IMO

>>123704532
lol

>>123704309
So then what is the connection between Maria and the Orphan? In all the other dreams the host and the source are intimate with each other.

Jason no healing friend

>>123704312
It's unoptimized at 30 str and 38 bloodtinge, was using 26% phys up gems across the board. It's an extremely powerful weapon with excellent range and damage, with the swing speed being pretty damn good too. Probably my favorite weapon in the dlc
>>123704350
that poor host got murdered, well done anon

>using beast blood pellets + pizza cutter
why didn't I do this sooner?

What the fuck does Micolash do all day? Why did he want to be in mensis? What was he doing?

>>123704521
>>123704521
It's mainly due to the previous thread where outta nowhere someone was like "how do you KNOW the events of the nightmare are from the past. prove it. show me evidence the research lab events happened anywhere but in the alternate nightmare world" as if it's not a fundamental aspect of the goddamn plot.

>>123704613

In your bumbum

>>123704150
>>123704309
No no no.

I don't pretend to know everything, but here's a FACT about the nightmare. The Nightmare realm is one gigantic dimension layered on itself. I'll break it down for you from the top down.

>Mensis
From here we can see the wastes of the Frontier. Mensis is the highest stratum.
>Frontier
from here we can see ships masts from the Hamlet
>Hamlet
If you peer through the ocean, you can see Nightmare Yharnam
>Hunter's Nightmare
The foundation of it all. We know the Hamlet is above because of the Mollusk guy who falls down near the Whirligig Saw

>>123704027
>dash R1 spam or L2 to win
ur bad

>>123704613
defeat BSB, go to healing workshop, drop down and fight the big magic werewolf, head towards the shortcut to grand cathedral, and near the ladder you'll find squid bloodsucker thingf with it.

>>123704581
there's no backpedaling here, the same exact thing happens when you kill Gehrman (who decided the form and function of the Hunter's Dream) and you don't get NIGHTMARE SLAIN until you kill the MP, or when you don't see the NIGHTMARE SLAIN after killing Micolash

>>123704737
Can I use it with effective with 14str and 30blt?

>>123703136
It's not in the past

Every single Nightmare realm is stuck in the same time; it is the capture and fabrication of a great one - we don't know who

You can see Mensis from the Frontier

You can see the Frontier from Mensis

Most interestingly, you can see the ship sails jutting from the sea in the Frontier; suggesting that the Fishing Hamlet is indeed just below the Frontier

Was the Fishing Hamlet cut content? Was killing the Orphan of Kos supposed to be in the main game?

>>123704737

I love how that L2 stops people from approaching you. It's pretty great.

>>123704702
Then it stands to reason that the fish's hatred towards byrgenwerth makes sense because the hunters from byrgenwerth were probably the ones rounding them up for experiments, which were completed by the choir without the fishing hamlet knowing that's what was happening. they just saw their citizens getting snatched by the hunters.

>>123704437
27, 26, 26% phys up at 48 STR
>>123704841
I guess we're ignoring standing R1 and R2s that were used to kill people?

>>123704795
yeah the nightmare is definitely a place that "exists." it doesn't require a host to exist. this is consistent with Lovecraft's dream cycle, which this is all based on

>>123704795
>implying that this makes them one dimension
one of the staple features of Lovecraft is the idea that separate overlapping realms of existence can be seen from each other like one-way mirrors. The fact that different nightmare realms can be seen from others doesn't imply they're a singular location, especially when some of the overlapping geography makes no sense (the Hunter's Nightmare is underwater)

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>>123704027
0:39
KEK

>>123704949
You use very few, 90% of the time you literally do nothinh but dash R1 like a shitter.

>>123704581
I don't see where he would need two hosts.
Going by his theory, no dream ever ended when the host died, so that event could have any other effect on a dream.
The Hunter's Nightmare is no exception to the proposed rule.

>>123704882
From what i heard the transformed version only scales on bloodtinge so you could probably make that work with 3 high tier gems.
>>123704927
You'd be amazed at the number of people willing to try and R1 mash through an L2, pretty funny stuff

>>123704928
I'd agree with that. It also makes sense that Maria tossed her weapon in the Village, since she was doing evil shit with it in there
>>123704714
she was doing evil experiment shit in the Village, for the Choir, and found it

Why is Valtr fighting great against Ludwig but dies almost instantly against Laurence?

Also 40 - 50 Vitality necessary for lvl 98 pvp?

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>>123704547
>mfw the curse was brought on by the orphan, who is a parasite by nature
>mfw the plague is caused by vermin parasites
>mfw "their children, and their children's children, forever true"
>mfw not all hunters are guaranteed to go to the nightmare, but all hunters are guaranteed to go beast and die
>mfw Ludwig who had absolutely nothing to do with the ransacking of fishtown is trapped in the nightmare

>>123704737
thanks. bloodletter looks like so much fun with frenzy.

>>123705065
It doesn't have to make sense. We simply know it's true. The mollusk man falling from the sky is the last bit of evidence I needed. It's layered. There's nothing overlapping. It's literally just non-euclidean dimensional dreamworld shit that allows it to function.

>>123705221
>-30%hp as invader

>>123705120
Werid it's like I'm fighting 2/3 on 1 and have to stay mobile
>>123705263
It won't frenzy other players but it will dish out a quick and easy 800+ damage, and if you catch them during instability frames, even more

>>123705120
shut the fuck up, what do you do in pvp?

>>123705221
because laurence literally shits out fire and npc's cant path around it

also

>summoning for a boss fight

I really hope this isn't your first kill on the boss anon

>>123705276
it doesn't change the fact that Great Ones are being patrons of individuals, whom they allow to warp and shape Nightmare realms (like Gehrman)

>kos' body was inhabited by parasites
>orphan of kos climbs out

hmmmmmm

>>123705134

Yeah, it is. I need to play around with that weapon more often. I've just been using the Amygdalan Arm. God, I love that thing.

I'm BL 206 and have been ringing for a while now. Now FC for me I guess.

Bloodletter is devastating

>>123705443
Sure, but we also know that the Nightmare can envelope and absorb physical locations and pull them into itself like with the Lecture Hall. They're pretty flexible in function.

>>123705448
Orphan is just a body made from corpses. Not real one

>>123705495
I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU WERE EXPECTING REALLY

>>123705495
You're too high for bbg fightclub.

>>123705490
Amy arm is actually really good too, the constant horizontal whip attacks that dish out solid damage makes it very difficult on your opponent to get in and do damage. STR weapons got a lot of love this time around.

>>123705641

MAYBE SOME DICKWEED WHO'D ALSO BE IN MY LVL RANGE.

>>123705616
it seems like things from reality can be either copied or transferred into the Nightmare, as though the Host has the option to either copy files or move files between different folders in the cosmic registry. the workshop in the hunter's dream, and the yharnam geography of the hunter's nightmare, seem to be copied. the lecture hall, research labs, nightmare of mensis, and fishing village seem to be moved

>>123705382
which move does the 800+ damage? just r1 spam? damn i thought it frenzies your opponent.

>>123705436
I wanted to see if he is any help at all, realised he is useless and killed him solo after god knows how many tries.

>>123705235
your shit makes no sense, you even contradict yourself:
>mfw Ludwig who had absolutely nothing to do with the ransacking of fishtown
>mfw "their children, and their children's children, forever true"
you literally answered your own implied question

>mfw the plague is caused by vermin parasites
all transformations in the game are caused by eldritch microbiomes. this fact is consistent with everyone's theories. if anything it's weirder to claim that the vermin microbiome is a "curse," and not a straightforward microbiome that operates exactly like the kin parasites

>mfw not all hunters are guaranteed to go to the nightmare
literally the DLC tells you all hunters end up in the nightmare eventually
>Gehrman didn't
literally when you kill Orphan the doll tells you that Gehrman can finally rest easily
in contrast, Gehrman never became a beast

>>123705751
Isn't it really easy to get parried though?

I wish it was a pure ar weapon? I love it and it reminds me of the Large Club from DaS

>>123705635
what? the orphan doesn't look anything like a corpse-body like the One Reborn

Just picked this game up. Should I fight cleric before father gascoigne?

I've almost killed him 3 times now but get stunlocked after a pounce attack. Wondering if I'm about to make a mistake.

>>123705941
the curse was infecting the Blood with Vermin, so that the Choir and all their descendants would be cursed with beasthood.

Consider that the Defiled and Ailing Loran chalices imply that beasthood is a curse that results from pissing off a Great One. We don't know WHO Loran made angry, but the result was the destruction of the society by beasthood, like Yharnam

>>123706064
Quit wondering and play. Worry about that shit the second time through.

>>123705941
Do you say "literally" a lot when you're nervous?

Can anyone help a lvl 41 get my echoes back from BSB in hunter nightmare

>>123706064

Cleric Beast is option. Defeating it grants you access to the Kirkhammer and, I believe, the Repeating Pistol. You can skip it if you want and then come back later when you're stronger.

>>123706156
Sure I can help. What's the password?

>>123706151
do you say
>mfw
a lot when you're shitposting?

>>123706156
Sure, gimme a password and I'll run in there and chip away at him
I'll probably die a few times, but it won't cost either of us anything

>>123705854
The L2 where it slams into the ground, it's the very first attack i use here
https://youtu.be/G3ZTI46bsEE
>>123705956
Probably as easy to parry as the canes whip attacks, but if you use it wisely that's not a huge issue

>>123706245
bbg

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Miyazaki and Mignola confirmed samefag

>>123706121
>so that the Choir and all their descendants would be cursed with beasthood
is there even a single Choir beast in the game?

Does Bloodletter only benefit from BLT when two handing? Wondering if I can just switch from a chikage skl/blt build with minimum str

>>123704795
Where is the hunter's dream then?

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So how is this for starting my arcane build

http://mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/8155

Could maybe lower it to 70 arc but not sure

>>123706329
Ok where do you want me to ring?

>>123703571
Yes. Give her brain fluid, accept blood, use blood, reload area, repeat until she takes another brain fluid, then she will give you the key.

Faggot healer. Still killed you

>>123706401
Laurence
>b-but the Choir was established after Laurence!
he's holding a key to the choir's private research labs (and we know they're the Choir, since the statues therein wear the Choir hats)

>>123706547
lamp

Good game hunters. I'm glad I can properly CosPvP as Gaston with the DLC

>>123706625
Ok rang my bell

>>123706528
Not connected to the nightmare. The Amygdala take you to the nightmare. The messengers take you to the dream.

So with this fight club I just mosey on in and ring a bell right? First time in fight club and I'm using my "jack of all trades" build that I always make for my first character.
Be gentle faggots.

Anyone wanna help me kill laurence?
I'm right at the fog gate, password is bbg

>>123706624
so in this theory the discovery of the Old Blood in the labyrinth, and Laurence leaving Bergenwyrth to promote its widespread use in Yharnham, has literally nothing to do with the beast plague despite being heavily emphasized in the main game? the DLC is just a giant retcon out of nowhere, and all the shit with "fear the Old Blood" was a red herring?

What Moonlight moves have armor besides the L2?

>>123706402
Assuming it's full blood scaling and nothing else you could pull that off just fine

>>123705276
>mollusk man falling from the sky

Where exactly does this happen?

>>123706625
That wasn't supposed to happen

>>123707170
FFuck yo those guns dusted you

>>123706983
what are you talking about? why would this retcon anything? all the DLC did was clarify how the beast plague came into being. this in no way retcons the fact that they found the Old Blood in the Labyrinth, that Laurence thought he could use it to transform into Great Ones, or that it's widespread use in Yharnam led to an out-of-control scourge of beasts. all the dlc does it show you by what mechanism the plague works, and how it originated

>>123707130
Right before you get Whirligig.

>Opponent drops dead from 100+ health

W-what?

>>123707218
What?

No healing John ya big faggot

>>123707130
When you're about to pick of the Pizza Cutter.

>>123707210
I rang my bell where I died

>>123707130
In the river of blood at some point a snail guy falls out of the sky and lands next to you. It's weird. it makes you wonder what the fuck you're seeing. It happens one single time so it's noteworthy and was probably put there for a reason.

So why can we see the Frontier from Mensis, Mensis from Frontier, the Fishing Hamlet from the Frontier all along

Was every Nightmare realm one place at one time? Was the Fishing Hamlet cut or planned content?

>>123706881
Sorry dude. I tried but Im having as much trouble as you

>want to make fun build
>wipe on amelia till 0 vials and 0 fire paper


EVERYTIME

>>123707218

I was fighting somebody who suddenly dropped dead, even though they had plenty of health left and I wasn't hitting them.

>>123707213
>or that it's widespread use in Yharnam led to an out-of-control scourge of beasts
but you just told me that the scourge of beasts is a curse laid by Kos upon the "children's children" of Bergenwyrth. how does it follow that the "widespread use of the Old Blood in Yharnham led to the scourge of beasts"?

>>123706402
>>123707093
so strength is only for the 1h mace? don't want to waste points in str if i dont need to.

>>123707381
>dying to amelia
kek

>>123707335
No biggy, man I got fucked as well.
Want me to try and help you?

>>123706538
>waste of skin
why

>>123707381
Fight her with 0 vials and 0 fire paper until you git gud. Then the next time you make a new character you'll have her moveset down to the point that she'll seem trivial with 20 vials and a fire paper.

>>123707331
dreams are a real location that "exist" out in the cosmos. this is consistent with lovecraftian mythos

the way miyazaki does storytelling is to write absolutely everything down and then intentionally cut out material. this is also how tolkein did it. so yes, all miyazaki DLC forever will be cut content

>>123707435
because the more people that abuse the blood for recreation, the more people turn into beasts, the more unmanageable the plague becomes -- especially since the number and power of the hunters are dwindling over time, and their influence fades

>>123707314
What happened?

>>123707469 that'd be sweet. I'll help you again after if we can do it

>>123706309
So what would be an optimal build? Probably going to make a bloodletter character from scratch.

ABSOLUTELY SNEKKED

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>>123707381

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Unending death awaits those who pry into the unknown...

>>123707618
You stepped on a trap and got pelted with arrows

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So is the Bloodletter a good PvE weapon? How do I build around using it?

>>123707381

I've never understood why people have trouble with Amelia. Literally just get behind her and spam charged R2.

>>123707589
but you told me that the source of the plague is curse laid by Kos upon the "children's children" of Bergenwyrth. so why does "abusing the Old Blood for recreation turn more people into beasts?" how does the Old Blood relate to the Fishing Hamlet and the curse laid by Kos that supposedly started the Beast Plague? why does abusing the Old Blood make Kos's curse "more unmanageable?"

>>123707687
use a STR weapon, pump BLT after hitting STR softcap. basically play with a STR build, that happens to have an extremely powerful shotgun, until you reach the bloodletter, at which point you turn into death, destroyer of worlds

>Snek still hits you even if you roll out of it like phantom range on weapons because of lag
Life is suffering, but atleast now I know not to do that

>>123707792

Alright, cool. What would the end result look like, Stat wise?

Plip, plop. Plip, plop.

>>123707932
splish kos

>>123707331
>Was the Fishing Hamlet cut or planned content?
Even the first trailer has the clock illuminated. It's the highest point in the city and you can always hear it's bell. It was all planned but there may have been changes made in location of some stuff, like Ebrietas not being in the chapel like in the trailer but at the altar beneath the chapel.

>note left by where Ludwig's head ends up
>treat man beast with care
;_;7

>>123707792
>extremely powerful shotgun
like every hunter NPC

SO MAD
>PARRY RETARD IN FIGHT CLUB
>SCREEN TELLS ME HE LOST ALL OF HIS HEALTH
>THINK I KILLED HIM
>HE GETS BACK UP AND SUDDENLY HAS A SMALL CHUNK OF HEALTH LEFT
>USES THE SAIF FORWARD ATTACK SHIT AND KILLS ME WITH TINY BIT OF HEALTH

ur a faggot whoever you are

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Reminder that second part of Laurence Theme = best theme

I already have pizza cutter, which other weaponside should i upgrade for pure strength? I'm liking the beast cutter but I think kirkhammer might be the more sensible choice.

>>123708058
Just cause you're bitching about it I'm gonna make a webm of it

>>123707758
Here is the way that the Scourge of Beasts actually works
>Vermin are parasites that inhabit the Old Blood
>they latch onto an imbiber and take them as a host
>the host starts feeling artificial feelings of bloodlust
>succumbing to these feelings allows the parasites to possess you like a brainsucker
>resisting allows more parasites the opportunity to join the fun
>the more parasites that are within you, the stronger the cravings become
>the more parasites that are within you, the stronger a beast you become when they possess you
the reason that the Vermin are in the Blood is because the Orphan put them there.

Normies who chug the Blood like alcohol succumb to these feeling were quickly, since they're chugging it to chase the high.

the more people that do this and fall, the more beasts wander the streets. if the hunters are losing power and personnel, having giant crowds of beasts running around becomes an unmanageable problem (see: Old Yharnam)

>>123708074
yeah it's pretty fucking sad. this is how you do a reskin boss. reminds me of king allant's true form.

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>>123708215
oh we got a tough guy here huh?!
*unsheathes beasthunter saif*

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1. Is orphan classified as a Kin?

2. Are the Living failures vulnerable to fire/electric?

3. why does my cat love the smell of beef jerkey so much?

>>123708074
what are the translated lyrics of the Cleric Beasts/Laurence theme?

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What does SHARED FIXED DUNGEON do?

>>123707792

On another note, what is the str soft cap?

>>123707484
Could also go lone survivor or cruel fate
Key wanted a different start

>>123708294
It also makes sense lore--wise

Every male Vicar turns into a Cleric Beast. Every female would turn into Wolf Pussy

>>123708294
I personally think it's more on the tragic-heroic side.

>>123708217
>the reason that the Vermin are in the Blood is because the Orphan put them there
are you saying that the Old Blood was vermin-free, safe, and not worthy of fear when Bergenwyrth first discovered it, but when they destroyed the Fishing Hamlet the Orphan cursed it? and that the "children's children" of Bergenwyrth would not be cursed unless they also imbibed the Old Blood?

>>123708058
gg

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>Confederate Sirius
is he an NPC?cause he used some sort of arcane spell that gave him a rotating ''shield'' made of arcane orbs or some shit.
what the fuck

>>123708360
Because your cat has good taste.

>>123708360
orphan is kin

>>123708483
so who's the cleric beast we fight in the game? is his name vaati?

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Fuck you From.

>that second form of laurence
What the fuck
How the fuck do you get away from his combo?

>>123708405

25. skill aswell.

>>123707629
Assuming transform mode is all blood, you'd want base STR to wield, 50 bloodtinge and 50 vitality if you like higher health builds. Anything else is up to you

>>123708360
Orphan is NOT kin in first phase, IS kin in second phase.

Source: watched Peeve try switching over to kinhunter gems and it significantly lowered his damage.

>>123708587
He isn't affected by gems that alter kin damage.

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Any good videos of BL 4 runs through the DLC yet?

>>123708516
probably not.

the Defiled and Ailing Loran chalices imply that angry Great Ones make a habit of cursing whoever pissed them off, and that Loran suffered such a curse. We also know that Beasthood is a curse. Therefore, in the absence of being retarded and angering a Great One, the Old Blood seems to be fairly benign -- the rest of the Pthumerians didn't succumb, after all

>>123708529
webm or screenshot you lying fuck

>>123708696

Okay, so essentially just 25 str, 50 tinge. Nice and easy. Thanks mate.

>>123708362
>Defenders of the sacred blood
>We protect the blood of the gods

That's the only audible male chorus to that theme

>>123704795
how can you tell that frontier is below frontier? All i see from mensis is just generic looking mountain ranges.

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>>123708352
Stay mad cause bad Frames :^)

Has qnyone else network problems? I lost connection 5 times already. I pay money for this faggotry jesus.

>>123708663

I was so upset she didn't get it, actually. I felt she was more deserving than caska and it would've been hotter, especially if she liked it .

>>123708734
Wouldn't surprise me if Lobos probably does one like a week from now

Bloodletter is ridiculous

Absurd

I love it

pls no nerf

>>123708961
I like Lobos. He does good work, and has a good attitude

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>rolling as ayy lmao in dungeons
>hotdog? L2
>Amygdala? L2
>UGH UGH UGH? L2
>wormhead dog? L2
Cosmos life

>>123708403
anybody?

>>123708706
Shit. So I guess we got to wait for the guide scans to get the info on the transform mode. I hope it is so I can just adjust my bloodtinge character slightly.

>>123709038
what the fuck is that semen bait

>>123707627
Yo, I'm the guy you helped.
Did you ring the bell or what? I've been waiting for a good while

>>123709095
Makes it so everyone is in the same dungeon unless they make a private one

>>123708886
I can feel the autism from within you, friend.
>outskilled faget
Holy wow

>>123708403
I think it turns your chalice into a public one. That way, you can get more summons.

>>123709208
Is everybody you lose to autistic?

>>123708668
time your dodges. You have to make it so you are in iFrames for the impact aswell as the following explosion.

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>>123708763
don't have but I've sent the host a message for more details cause that shit was crazy.

>>123708759
what's the basis for the idea that Kos specifically cursed the Blood with Vermin, and not the "children's children" of Bergenwyrth as is explicitly stated?

>the rest of the Pthumerians didn't succumb, after all
i mean you can encounter werewolves in Ihyll, the pthumerians are grossly mutated, and their civilization was ultimately destroyed somehow. and Watchdog and Laurence are visually similar beasts

>>123708734
emnay did a ng+7 bl4

Tone down the Saifing guys it's not cool if 9/10 people use that thing.

What up tho who wants to help me kill the orphan

Lvl 113 at the second lamp in the fish village. Pass is bbg

>>123708668

The death crawl? Disengage lock on, Quickstep or roll through the first hit then sprint to the left/back of him. Trying to go next the lava, like you're the one chasing him almost. Wait until he's all the way done, his last weak grasp still does full are damage.

So I fucked up and removed my depth 4 lower Loran chalice, and I need it for materials. Is there a way to create it again without mats? Or can I use someone else's?

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>>123709170
Ojousama Gakkou. Low quality harem

>>123709409
Coming

>>123709360
>>123708759
also in this theory who is the moon presence?

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>>123709274
Not really, just you:^)

>>123708360
Orphan is only considered kin in his second form.

What this means is up for debate.

Half-dead is a healing faggot who just prances around.

>>123709509
If you say so

>>123709406
get off it dude

>>123709450
Just use another person's glyph. It's free

My game doesn't want to log in despite me having PS+, good internet connection and everything's fully updated. What gives mang?

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I think it's pretty bullshit you can't riposte orphan during his second stage. You can stagger him / get that sound effect and he goes down on his knees, but he leans forward with his head so you can't get the visceral.

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anyone want help with ludwig? bustin out some jaeger and just chillin.

>>123709510

Was the orphan adopted perhaps? A chosen one pulled into Kos' loving embrace, then mind wiped/ascended and rudely interrupted before he was finished.

No lore to back this up just throwing it out there.

>>123709406
>>123709208
>>123708058

The salt is real

>>123709657
Restart your stuff m800.

>>123709725
You can riposte him
It's just that sometimes it's a stagger. He will lean on one knee and arch back a bit, just as in stage one

He can still be staggered in every form, so it can be confusing

>>123707687
Bloodletter is amazing in PvE.
Blunt, Thrust, and Blood damage.
Equip a +200 frenzy res rune and you can use the L2 twice in a row safely, which does double the weapon's AR with a huge radius.

>>123709747
Well the great ones do seek a surrogate and the orphan does crawl out of a body said to be teeming with parasites. By that logic you could say his "birth" is symbolic and he's not kos' child but eh...doesnt really work It hink

>>123709745
Wanna help out with laurence instead?

I fucking love running R2 with Whirligig, it destroys pve

>>123709580
Fuck yeah. Thanks for the info.

While I'm asking questions, if I have my Hunter of Hunters rune equipped, and I get beckoned through a password, is there still a chance to become an enemy? Can I fuck with people like that?

>>123709858
Really? huh. I was able to visceral him very consistently in his first form, then second form he did three 'staggers' on me so I assumed you couldn't.

>>123709848
w-what?

I am legitimately the worst player in /bbg/

I wanna try that again ffs

>>123707381
People always bitched about Gassy and BSB being hard, those 2 were fucking piss compared to Vicar IMO.

>>123709889
i suppoooooooose

give me a sec to get to the door

>>123709965
You could, but it's entirely unreliable

>>123709360
multiple item descriptions mention that beasthood is a curse, and multiple npcs bitch about how they're butthurt that they were cursed for the sins of their ancestors. therefore, we can conclude that someone cursed the earliest hunters/church members with beasthood, and their descendants are mad about it -- and given that Vermin are the source of the Scourge, and reside within the Old Blood, the conclusion is that someone cursed the Old Blood that was becoming the foundation of Yharnam society, such that the civilization would be condemned to suffer from a plague of Beasts forevermore (like Loran) ("curse the fiends and their children too, consumed by bloodlust forever true" -- trailer).

Who did this? We know from the Chalice Dungeons that curses come from angry Great Ones, and we know that either Byrgenwerth or the earliest members of the Choir experimented on worshippers of the Orphan of Kos. We know that Nightmare Great Ones are sympathetic to their servants, and we know that the fishpeople were butthurt about what was done to them, and we know that they wished for a curse to befall their tormenters. Thus we can conclude that the Orphan of Kos was responsible for the aforementioned curse -- on the fiends who fucked with his servants, and all their children, so that the source of their power and ambition (the Old Blood) would be their doom (because of Beasts)

I hope this makes sense

is anyone
doing ludwig right now

>>123710043
That's okay, as long as there's a chance of me fucking up an anons boss summon.

>>123710031
Alright the password is bbg

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>>123708886
>Network Name instead of Character Name

People STILL do this? Seriously?

>>123710010
Not true bud. I've been getting shit on the whole time, only a few lucky ones. I'm the shitter with wolf head/old hunter robes/ amygdala arm

saif my laif bby

I wasn't paying attention to the cutscene, can someone help me out here?

What happened after you turn the big lever on the center staircase in the Research Facility that the bottom changed? I assume it lowered the floors, since I can access the roof now?

>>123709491
the MP is an extremely powerful Great One who seems to get to decide when all the others breed, by way of the bloodred moon. it isn't related to Kos

>>123710170
>implying I want to see what retarded names you come up with

>>123710010
Know that feel bro. Maybe we should invite reddit and facebook next time so that we new guys have enemies with an equal skill level.

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It's like fighting ebrietas all over again

>>123709968
Yeah it's a bit weird
I think the stagger can also overwrite the parry sometimes, but not sure

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Which MLGs is better for an arcane build and what sort of gems should I pop in it?

wow I actually got hit by ACB becayse of the stupid circle jump thing

Is there a new place to farm chunks in the dlc?

What's the benefit of adding the optional stuff when creating a Chalice?