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GRR GON Edition

Old thread: >>123282924
Thread permalink: http://orph.link/eog

>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.

>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then find the Career Agents & run all of their missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.

Read the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/t9Af7NJY (embed) (embed)

Future:
>Spring: Citadel expansion & cap rebalance release
>Spring: Amarr Championship finals: Tash-Murkon (Kelon Darklight) vs Kor-Azor (Lysus)
>Dec 08: Frostline Expansion Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151208T11&p0=211&msg=Winter+Patch&font=slab

Past:
>Nov 26: Fozzie confirms OGB removal in ~1 month (after Frostline)
>Nov 25: shitposting about goons reaching critical levels community-wide
>Nov 23: Leak of possible Frostline rewards on Sisi imgur.com/gallery/zQ7ED/new
>Nov 20: overview of FROSTLINE EXPANSION (new event, ships, balancing, visuals): http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/operation-frostline-and-holidays-in-eve-online-an-update-from-ccp-seagull/
>Nov 19: Dropbears are all out of All-Out's hole
>Nov 18: MITTENS & CO GET RUSED THE FUCK OUT BY PH, AUTZ BEST TZ
>Nov 17: Command Dessie feedback thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6171886#post6171886
>Nov 05: Manny kicked from CSM (leaks?)
>Nov 03: Parallax: "Bugs in a Box", jump fatigue reduced, entosis regen
>Oct 25: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reworking-capital-ships-and-thus-it-begins/
>Oct 15: SP trading concept presented
>Aug 13: Citadel FAQ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/edit#
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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>amarr
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>GRR GON
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buttsex for purple mods
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I found a Gila blueprint and I noticed that the materials cost is really cheap compared to total cost.

Did I just get lucky or am I missing something here? They seem to pop out real fast.
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>>123612520
Yeah their cost is determined by the rarity of the blueprints, not the cost of the build.
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>>123612520
you got lucky in the finding of the blueprint; pirate cruiser blueprints are generally quite valuable.
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might want to build and sell it fast; the gilas on sisi are missing a lowslot
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>>123612640
>>123612520
>>123612627
Wow, sounds good. It took me literally all day to beat down this 5/10, blowing up a single ship every time I warp in and out with my shit-fit Typhoon.

Glad I stuck through. Almost gave up, too.

I'm currently making a ton of Gilas for a pretty huge profit margin so I'm happy.
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>Amarr
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>>123611298
oh i forgot
>xboxhueg grid sizes coming soon
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Should I start playing again, /eog/?
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>tfw on a journey through wormhole space in the search of sleeper silent battleground
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>>123615000
No. At this point, DUST has more players than EVE.
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>Maller
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>>123616178
Because Dust is a good game. Also a weekend event is going on.
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>>123616026
what is sleeper silent battleground
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>>123613208
>I'm currently making a ton of Gilas for a pretty huge profit margin so I'm happy.
The blueprint is a copy, good for exactly one run.
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Anyone got the skill reqs + stats for the MJFG module?
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>>123612760
>missing
That's some nice rhetoric you've got there.
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>>123631205
thanks anon
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>>123627826
it was too good to be true. Here I thought I made it super big.

I'm still sitting on 800m which is a whole new record for me. Now I'm too afraid to spend it.
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>>123639337
>sitting on 800m, pleased as punch
it wasn't long ago that I was feeling that feeling and i remember it well. i'm glad you're doing well for yourself.

It was around then that realized my income wasn't going to get any better by just exploring and I decided to look harder at my trading and see how to optimize it and use it as actual income instead of just a convenience for my exploration. If you're manufacturing, you might start stepping up production, keeping tabs on what the prices are in non-central regions and shipping the stuff you make out there via contract.
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Make it so, hiding in asteroid fields confers protection from DScan.
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>>123643571
I dunno, it doesn't make sense from a logistical stand point
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>>123643571
i forgot how nice that ship looks
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>>123643615
What exactly do you mean by that?

It would make for some interesting gameplay, not to mention it would be easier to bait miners. Also hiding small fleets in asteroid fields would be fun, kind of like using bombers to surprise people when they uncloak, but now you can hide a frigate fleet or something instead.
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>>123644569
I guess it would but without that it means things like miners and just ships in general could just go to an asteroid belt and disappear, you wouldn't even need to cloaky camp in a belt just wait for some null miner to come along, gank it then leave for another belt.
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DED THRED

but at least we aint reddit
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>>123643571
you can already do that it's called bringing a cloak
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>>123643571

>miners are intuitively found at belts
>miners are immune to dscan by default
>need to combat scan or manually visit every belt in a system just to find the miners
>herbivores get more time to notice you and dock up
>more difficult to create content
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>amarr
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>>123646102
ayyy lmao
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>>123646102
https://zkillboard.com/kill/50398209/
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winmitar saves the day with driveby autocannons
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>>123646332
>drake
>velocity: 5537
gotta go fast
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Can I somehow raise standings with blood raiders or sansha without running missions for them? Amarr epic arc is not an option.
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>>123646102
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>>123639337

Just save up to 1B, then call it a day.
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>>123646414
yfw they warped their c2 site running fleet in to save their tackled rolling BS
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>>123646102

>uses a tempest for neuting
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>>123648010
>utility highs
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>>123648141

>what is geddon
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actually he if staggered his nuets and actually fit an MJD he coulda gotten out easily
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>minmaxtar
>amarrica
>gallhentai

Hope you're enjoying those capacitor-using/transversal-affected/non-selectable-damagetype guns and those inferior local armor tanks with gimped ancillary reps!
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>>123648945

Hope you're enjoying afterburners halving your DPS regardless of transversal calbabby. Reminder that caldari is literally the newbie faction, with the regenerating health, brainless ratting, and lack of transversal management.
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>mfw pushx haul my 60% profit cargo for 2% profit
and the best part is they obviously have the capital to do what i'm doing BUT THEY'RE NOT
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>>123647215
Yes, but it involves running missions for Guristas.
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>>123648945
>minmatar
>armor
>cap
lmao, spoken like a true caldari faggot who doesn't even know the game
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>>123647215
pay someone to have you in fleet with them while they're running the missions? and have criminal connections trained
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>>123648945

>gallhentai

Pretty funny actually, aren't the gallentei known for their decadence and degeneracy?
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>>123649726
That won't increase my FACTION standings.
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>>123649854
>X-rated holoreel
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>CCP think this is balanced
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>>123650947
What is it?
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>>123650947
>think
thinks
>>123651065
Scalpel
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>>123650947
holy shit that scanres.
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>>123650947
Wow, I totally see how this would NEVER be used in gatecamps.
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They had to do something to pair up with the kiting frigs.
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Why is every ship they release progressively more broken and cancerous?
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At least it's just a frig, though. Can you imagine if it was a battleship logi with 200km range?
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>>123651652
To save time of gay faggots who would turn it into it anyway.
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You can still pop them at zero transv with a sniper, so no big deal.
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>>123650947
but that#s with oversized prop, links and probably pirate implants. the ship on its own is fine.
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>>123652354
>but that#s with oversized prop
so?
>the speed of interceptors is low w/o a mwd
No implants
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>>123652709
it's retarded to say that this ship is overpowered because it can use oversized prop. oversized prop itself is broken, it shouldn't ever be a thing on anything

>the speed of interceptors is low w/o a mwd

don't know what you're saying here
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>>123652783

Just wait till they bring capital prop mods. Some wanker will manage to fit one on a mach.
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>>123652783

So svipuls aren't overpowered because ASBs are broken, and kite fleets aren't overpowered because their damps are broken, and uhhh... ???
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>>123649143
Aren't their systems camped 24/7?
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>>123653092

>pve
>not incursions

Get rekt.
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>mach
Is it mack as in mack truck
Or mach as in accelerating past mach 2
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>>123655069
machariel the spaceship
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>>123652968
svipuls are broken in all fits, not just asbs. asbs themselves are a bit broken, but so are svipuls

kite fleets are overpowered through ccp making a bunch of overpowered kite ships, and also skirmish links are broken
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>>123655103
>implying it's not mack as in mackinaw
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>>123656409
well it was >mach
so unless its suddenly machinaw...
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>not retreiver
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>>123655103
What a peculiarly unhelpful reply
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So I shouldn't go to caldari space? Why is it so retarded over there?
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>>123659886
>Don't fuckign come to caldari space, fag
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>>123659886
CODE
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>>123659886

RvB hang out in forge, 4 jumps from jita. They're mostly chill dudes.
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>>123659886
>Hek
the most Jew of all trade hubs, literally more expensive than nullhubs
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>>123660546
>muh shekels
fuck off jita kuk
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>>123660546

ccp should rename it to Kek.
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>>123660546
You haven't seen Rens. Hek is chill.
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>Leak of possible Frostline rewards on Sisi imgur.com/gallery/zQ7ED/new
So is it just cosmetic stuff? I was kinda hoping for some more cerebral accelerators.
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>>123661994
I thought they had quafe zero inside
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>>123663357
they do
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gallente
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>>123611298
shit op
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>page 10
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>>123667395
It has the most important part so its fine.
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>Freighter ganked with just 30 ibis's

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50401688/
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>highsec xd
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>>123674710

>just 30 ibis
>has 4 machariels and fucking lot of other stuff
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>>123675147
well the machs don't really count since they never agress the freighter pilot at all. For all intents and purposes each of those ibis's could have had scramblers too because it doesn't fucking matter at all since they're gonna die anyway.
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>>123674710
They used catalysts and then reshipped for the last round.
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>>123676158
well it didn't seem to stop it from happening

Whats really stupid is how easy it is to gank a freighter even with bulkheads
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>>123676657
I've never understood this

people want to "duel" then either undock in something bigger or badder or they have neutral alts all over the place ready to give logi
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>>123674710
>at least half of those characters belong to one guy
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>>123676273

No, what's stupis is flying a freighter through a known chokepoint. If autopiloted, it's like having the back of a delivery truck open in the ghetto.
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>>123677132
Well believe it or not regardless of where you go even when you are actively warping to gates at zero, you can still easily get bumped so readily and easily and once you're bumped you can't do anything about it.

The only real way to navigate a freighter is with a web alt but even then suicide pointers completely negate that until the machariel comes along and bumps you so hard you'll never be able to align for minutes
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>>123677132
I remember the first day CCP came out with bulkheads for freighters to "combat the gankers" and in reality it changed so little that the very day the patch was issued, some gank squad ganked an empty freighter full of bulkheads then made a post about it saying "it wasn't really that hard, we thought it was going to be near impossible but it turns out the same number of catalysts we were using before works just fine"
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Point is, if anyone is stupid enough to fly a freighter, they deserve it. If you absolutely must do it, then do it in a convoy with bunch of RR and webs with you. If this doesn't suit your afk-hauling needs, then use a t2 hauler instead.
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>>123678409
>le it's your fault anyway face xDDD
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>If you use ships how they're intended to be used, you're stupid
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>anything but muh lowsec frigate grabass elite pvp is dumb
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>le moving without an army of alts
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>shitposting without pictures of dogs
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>tfw blobbed again
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Who are Zero Fun Allowed

they look like real risk adverse memers but clearly they dont post here
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>>123681887
never heard of, so I'll assume they're garbage

so yeah I looked them up and they're in wormhole space, so garbage confirmed
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>grr wormholes
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>hisec pvp
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how to find corp that isnt shit
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>>123685989
Join Tengoo.
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>passive align
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>hirri

thanks for ruining it nullfags
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>>123676273

That's not a bulkheads freighter
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>>123687946
https://zkillboard.com/kill/50012086/

it took 16 guys, 11 of which were in talos's to gank a charon with full bulkheads

its not hard at all
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>>123688142

>11x 88million ISK hulls (968mil)
>let's say 100mil in blasters and gyrostabs (generous), 1068mil
>gank the least tanky of the freighters

It's just not adding up well for you dude. Carry less than ~1.25bil in a obelisk and you're fine.
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>>123688734
the freighter itself is worth 1.3b

they're isk positive no matter what gank they do. Its always isk positive, anything in the cargo is just a bonus

The only time they aren't isk positive is when they don't kill it, which is a fucking rarity
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>>123688882

>ISK positive means the other guy lost more ISK than I did

Are we dealing with the Dumb Corrections Cave Creature again? (DCCC)
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>>123689624
yes that is what it means you idiot. Thats what it has always meant, it even shows that on zkillboard on isk efficiencies for kills and losses
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>>123689838

Great, let's see you make some money killing empty freighters. Then you can show us how buying PLEX using ISK doesn't contribute to profits for CCP based on supply and demand, like you tried the other day.
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>>123689624
I'm the corrections guy, and I think isk positive should mean you made isk

>>123689838
that's what it means if you're stupid
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>I am a proud Goonswarm Federation member.
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>>123690057
>PVP generates isk therefore isk positive

no you fuck, when two large fleets go at it and one fleet kills another they compare losses and who ever lost less losses. That is how it has always been, If you bring an equally sized fleet to another but you lose one really expensive ship despite killing off the rest of the enemy fleet and that one ship you lost was worth more than the entire enemy fleet in this example then you lost the isk positivity and you by default lost more than they did
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>>123690505

people don't gank freighters to win wars or whatever, you will just get neutral freighter'd, it doesn't work. people gank freighters for profit. both the major freighter ganking groups do this. what are you trying to save face so hard for?
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>>123690505
>literally the most meaningless comparison imaginable is how you determine who won
wew what a game.
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>>123690505
are we so used to fights being just about nothing

and yeah, that is what people mean when they say they're isk positive, but they aren't actually isk positive if they lost money
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>>123690683
>people don't gank freighters to win wars
they gank freighters for two reasons
1. to get whats inside
2. even if theres nothing they still have a great killmail at no isk negative loss to them.

Its why tornado gankers gank blockade runners, even if there is NOTHING inside the blockade runner the blockade runner is more expensive than that tornado so the ganker has a great killmail.
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>>123691143
>2. even if theres nothing they still have a great killmail at no isk negative loss to them.


Is this what the face of retardation looks like?

>>123691143
>Its why tornado gankers gank blockade runners

Tornadoes gank blockade runners occasionally because they cannot be cargo-scanned, so it's like opening a present and you have no idea what's inside. Almost no one does it because 99% of the time it's an empty present.
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>>123691143
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>>123690880
its not a stupid metric, its a metric of measuring damage

you caused more damage to the enemy than the enemy did to you, thats a success, it means you put them back further to replace that than the losses on your end cost you
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I don't understand. so if I lose 100m and there's no lossmail for everyone to see, do you think I didn't lose any money?

and do you think if I'm 1 of 100 people on a killmail, then the value of the thing that died is an amount of isk I personally destroyed, somehow allowing me to lose that amount without being a shitter?

do you just ignore dropped loot and holding the field and actual objectives?

it's hilarious how some people set the bar for efficiency, I guess because they're fucking terrible at pvp (>highsec pvp)
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Are there any mods for lowering sig res or only Halos do that?
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>>123691357
>No one ganks blockade runners

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50374241/

yea they sure don't

>lol face of retardation
you literally proved you don't play the game at all or have been in any size fleet to know how isk positivity works or why people value being isk positive
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>>123691952
no mods or rigs. there's a x-instinct, halo implants and skirmish links
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>>123691741
wow $15 of damage. That's incredible. How will they ever bounce back.
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>>123692381
nice back pedal
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>>123676764
No different than any other mwo where level 30 dudes hang out in hubs and spam duel requests at level 10s and under.
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>literally being in moa
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what's the worst alliance in game?

fcon? sma?
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>>123698537
TEST
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>>123698537
[URMUM]
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>>123698537
Some highsec shitlords no-one's ever heard of.
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I wonder if a jita whores corporation would get shut down by CCP?
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>>123691741
Gevlon? Is that you?


It doesn't matter who lost the most ISK. It never has done. ISK losses are meaningless.

If I kill 5b of your ships, lose 8b of my own, and still hold the field afterwards, achieve my objectives and go home, then I win. Doesn't matter that I lost more. I did what I set out to do, and you failed to stop me.
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for nullblobs: >>123699638
And ISK positive is either icing on the cake or comfort food for loser
for ganking: ISK positive = you looted more than your ship was worth
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>drifter incursion systems have 100% penalties because nobody runs them
Great job CCP
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>>123691741
Unless you're killing titans or supers isk means jack shit, its all about the objective or fun if there is no objective.
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>>123699638
are you in gewns by any chance?
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>>123700054

>drifter incursion in forge
>jita dies

"Just according to keikaku." -ccp
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>all the force auxiliaries will be vertical

fucking reddit.
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>>123703619
pics?
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>>123703720
no pics, but Larrikin mentioned it on eve down under stream yesterday
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>>123703619
They said that when they announced the damn things.

Apparently there's one in this picture.
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>Imperium
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>>123704816
if it's the big thing in the background, I sincerely hope those retarded looking dish things aren't attached to it
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>>123704816
It's the planet.
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>Amarr
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>>123700067
>>123699638
>isk is meaningless
do you guys never ever play this game? you just make shit up?

>99% of all EVE uses isk relativity as whether it was won or not
>Nurr das not true hurr durr isk doesn't matter
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>>123699638
>If I kill 5b of your ships, lose 8b of my own
>I achieve my objectives and I win regardless of my losses
thats wildly inefficient you lost substantially more than the enemy and you think you claimed victory despite losing so much of your force and at what huge cost.

>doesn't matter that I lost more
it does, you denying it doesn't make it not true, you're just ignoring one of the biggest facets of EVE
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>>123711292
M8

If I have a timer to defend, and I defend it while losing a hundred times the number of ships you do, I still win the damn fight.
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>>123711292
Do YOU play this game?
When you kill someone on a giant battle you are making that person lose his personal isk, it might look like a lot of money in total but its fucking nothing when it comes down to each pilot having to replace it.

I only run L4 missions and I can afford to lose dreads, 1bil machs and triage and replace them easily, and I'm considered poor in my alliance.

Outside of Titans and Supers everything in this game is cheap as fuck.
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>>123711551
>If I have a timer to defend,
If you're losing billions more defending it, the wisest decision would have been to not take the fight, tactically retreat and fight on higher ground when you have a better advantage

losing gobs of shit over every single timer you take is ludicrously inefficient and poor judgement thats extremely wasteful and it would be superior to take a lossless loss than to win with heavy losses
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>>123711758
>Do YOU play this game?
Yea I do, PL is great
>When you kill someone on a giant battle you are making that person lose his personal isk, it might look like a lot of money in total but its fucking nothing when it comes down to each pilot having to replace it.
Yea ok because killing a titan just doesn't matter at all

>I only run level 4 missions

hahaha holy fuck you're just some highsec scrub

>I can afford to lose dreads
>loses a 3b isk dread
>yea It'll only take like 2 weeks of absolute raw l4 mission grinding just to get the isk
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>>123712028
Which is why goonswarm has lost every war it's ever fought, right?
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>>123712198
Hardly, when you're mittani RMT rich and R64's out the ass besides, money suddenly stops meaning anything to anyone,

The metaphor still works, lose the battle, win the war, you don't win wars by winning every battle, you win wars by winning battles that matter and kicking the enemy ass so hard that they can't get up
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>>123712197
>Yea ok because killing a titan just doesn't matter at all
Ok hiding your posts, you're not even reading my posts, clearly.

>hahaha holy fuck you're just some highsec scrub
you know theres missions in null right?
course not you don't play this game.

>yea It'll only take like 2 weeks of absolute raw l4 mission grinding just to get the isk
just more evidence that you don't play this game
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>>123712394
>Ok hiding your posts, you're not even reading my posts, clearly.
You're literally a fucking retard to think that isk doesn't matter. You magically think that owning grid means you won when in reality, all battles are described in matters of losses, deny this all you like and deny that all the zkillboard numbers just magically don't exist because they don't support your retarded narrative.

>I play L4 missions in nullsec guys!
enjoy your no isk, running havens would run you more in bounties and including the DED's than relying on shitty L4 missions in nullsec

>just evidence you don't play the game

says the guy "affording to lose dreads" on nullsec L4's that generate shit for isk and there are tens of better sources of income which is the shittiest narrative

and you're going to "hide my posts" because you're a retard who doesn't know what anything goes on outside your little bubble
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>>123712740
>he doesn't know you can do 500mil/h with polarized mach and L4 missions
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>>123711758
I've never heard of someone not giving a fuck about isk efficiency and magically thinking that isk doesn't matter. Theres a huge reason why everyone refers to the isk-war like god damn.
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>>123712851
>500m/h
I'll take things that never happen for 400, alex.
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>>123712871
Nobody fucking cares, people just like to see battle reports.
If there are no supers, titans, or an ungodly amount of caps nobody fucking cares as long as the objective was won.

>>123713010
(you)
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>>123712871
Then you have never spoken to anyone from the cfc, have you.

They treat the entire concept of 'winning the isk war' as a bad joke.


Guess who was last bloc standing, the guys who don't give a shit about the isk war, or the guys who take it super seriously.
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>>123713167
>Nobody fucking cares, people just like to see battle reports.
yes and what is the huge thing in big bold green and red characters above the battlereport?

Oh yea ISK!

>no one cares about isk
theres that shitty thing that he can't prove at all and that because he doesn't care about isk it magically doesn't matter to anyone and it just doesn't exist as a metric.

>>123713239
>Then you have never spoken to anyone from the cfc, have you.
who else doesn't give a fuck about mitani's RMT empire? buy his book please
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>>123713471
So...the CFC philosophy on the isk war doesn't matter because of a kickstarter?

Nevermind the whole 'winning lots of wars' thing, there's grrgons postng to be done!
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>>123713471
>yes and what is the huge thing in big bold green and red characters above the battlereport?
and that's all it is, just a bunch of numbers to see who "won" or "lost" the battle, but not the objective.

>Yea I do, PL is great
no wonder, how does it feel to be irrelevant and afraid to fight goons?

>who else doesn't give a fuck about mitani's RMT empire? buy his book please
as much as I hate the mittani, using that as an argument against his post just makes you look like a little bitch, but hey just thats another feature of being in pl.
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>>123713239
>They treat the entire concept of 'winning the isk war' as a bad joke.

Yeah. It's really fucking hard to win a war through attrition. It usually comes down to making the other guy stop playing, or go do something else instead.
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>>123713705
>So...the CFC philosophy on the isk war doesn't matter because of a kickstarter?
the CFC didn't coin that term, isk being apart of killmails and kill reports has been around since the API included them over 10 years ago

>>123713726
>and that's all it is, just a bunch of numbers to see who "won" or "lost" the battle, but not the objective.
you realize those are more than just numbers its peoples money right? oh but that doesn't matter according to you

>irrelevant and afraid to fight goons
more like a huge blueball changing all sov timers to AUTZ before mittens gives his "buy my book" speech
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>>123713867
Who coined the term is irrelevant to the discussion.

You are arguing that the tactic of losing ten ships for every one you kill doesn't work, when it's been a 'thing' goonswarm have been doing for a decade.

If the ISK war matters so much, why does the cfc/imperium/whatever continue to exist, and how has it beaten pretty much everyone else at some point or other, often repeatedly?
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>>123713867
>more like a huge blueball changing all sov timers to AUTZ before mittens gives his "buy my book" speech
he does it again!
why not just go discuss about isk in reddit?
you would get upvotes for this "clever" argument
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>>123714171
>Who coined the term is irrelevant to the discussion.

>The CFC philosophy
>its not CFC's philosophy, its been around since isk was included in the API

>>123714171
>You are arguing that the tactic of losing ten ships for every one you kill doesn't work, when it's been a 'thing' goonswarm have been doing for a decade.
no thats not what I said, I said that if two fleets have a fight and one fleet kills an expensive ship in the other fleet and that one ship was more valuable entirely than the tens of losses of the first fleet then the latter lost the isk war. The isk war is a huge integral part of fights all over no matter what size or interface they are. Automatically denying this even matters or exists is inherently going against the last 10 years of measuring battles in EVE ever.

>If the ISK war matters so much, why does the cfc/imperium/whatever continue to exist, and how has it beaten pretty much everyone else at some point or other, often repeatedly?

Because you don't have to win every battle to win a war. The fact that they exist is because they formed the original mega-conglomerate under one faction title that reigned supreme because they owned the isk. The isk war has always mattered and they had the superior numbers to make it work.

>>123714343
>no my narrative, it doesn't matter but it does when I mention it just not when you do
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>>123714730
>no my narrative, it doesn't matter but it does when I mention it just not when you do
lel the book I mentioned the book!
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>>123714872
>entire propaganda scheme revolves around the book
>no guys it doesn't matter
>STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
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>>123715071
>the book has anything to do with isk in wars or anything at all in this discussion
sure thing friendo
heres your +3 pl tokens for mentioning the book
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>>123715296
>mittani fueling his entire empire with RMT and wanting to use the book to fuel it even more has nothing to do with the isk war
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>muh RMT empires

Back to reddit you go.
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>>123715921
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bump i guess
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>le vertical

gross. Stop.
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>>123723948
le vertical torpedoe delivery xD
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>spiderlings
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>>123735040
NEED
2
BREED
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>there is people that frequent this thread that get rekt by Zarvox on a daily basis
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>>123736549
who?
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>>123736596
some meh streamer that somehow always wrecks all of /v/ bros
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>>123736927
you mean pays the /v/ bros to farm them so he looks good in front of the camera?
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You guys ever fantasize about random shit in games you don't even play anymore?

Sometimes I think about what it'd be like to be the sole m0o player still playing today with the "11 years in m0o" and fucking around with battlecruisers in somewhere like Providence.
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>>123737070
lmao so you're not only gonna be butthurt here but also on stream?
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>>123737146
No because the last time a guy had a "good stream" he had links following him and used an out of corp alt to make it look like he was giving him a fight when really the out of corp alt was being controlled by him the entire time.
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>>123737258
calm down autist, he just killed you in front of several hundred people, you don't need sperg too much
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>>123737338
no he didn't I've been in heimatar this entire time
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>>123737587
then shut up nobody cares about you unimportant person.
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>>123737587
>showing off his 30bil
I make that in a slow week
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>>123737656
>hurr don't you suck this eve-online celebs cock?
>who?
>some guy who owns all of you!
>you mean like any other generic streamer who follows himself around?
>LOL STAY MAD HE OWNS YOU HES THE BEST, HE KILLED YOU
>no he didn't
>w-w-well you don't m-m-matter anyway who cares!

>>123737818
>implying I keep my money in liquid and not in escrow
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>>123737896
>shut up nobody cares about you unimportant person.
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>>123737984
are you implying you are important instead?
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>>123738220
more than you could ever be boyo
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>>123738264
>be in /v/ bros
>trash of the trash
>I'm the best trash

like the least smelly shit except you're still shit
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>>123738264
Maybe

You dont need to be important to have fun in eve though

Although being sub-directions means im big in a local sorta way
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>>123738350
nice detective work shithead but I don't visit /v/ bros

Still more important than you.
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>>123738481
>director*
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>>123738548
>supposedly kicked all of /v/ bro's asses

>hurr I don't visit /v/ bros :^) but I do post on the /vg/ thing
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>>123738784
to be fair i dont hand in the /v/bros channel either due to how shit it is but at-least im not experiencing delusions of grandeur
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>>123738940
but you post on the /vg/ thats literally the same thing
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>>123738784
>being this angry because I'm way more important than him
I don't talk with normies, I'm sort of big deal around here.
later bitch
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>>123739025
Anonymity
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>>123739027
>I don't talk with normies
jesus christ, never learn /vg/
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>>123739027
you aren't kurth ren
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>Get linked some killmails. WH space no dictors.
>Ask why he didn't get his pod out.
>Get yelled at.
>Explain the game mechanics and the reasoning for the "Warp out" tab on the overview.
>Told in all caps I have no "TACT"
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>>123743513
>have autism
>get yelled at for being autistic
>post dog on eog
m8 pls
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>>123743513
He was giving it all right up to the end, not mashing the warp button like a big gay baby.
>>
Haven't touched this game in like two years, but came across new info about the micro jump drive destroyers

This is exactly the sort of thing CCP needed to do to get me back in and interested with the game.

I'm not putting my chips in just yet, but a few more additions like this to fix PVP and I'm hooked.
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQsADFj7wL0

holy shit
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>>123748196
thanks avada
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>>123750394
Worth if you can pay for your subscription.
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>>123751878
Blame bluesec ratters. After 5 years of AFKtars: online everyone and their mother has way too much ISK on their hands
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>>123752032
Not the people who buy PLEX to sell on the market.
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>>123753056
That's not how supply and demand works m8, you can't blame the supplier for people willing to pay shitloads for same service.
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>>123753169
You said everyone has too much ISK, which is patently false. Why would people sell PLEX for ISK if everyone had "too much"? There are obviously people who don't (or feel they don't) "have too much ISK". Those are the people buying the PLEX for the sole purpose of selling on the market (to increase their ISK).
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>>123748838
but that wasn't me
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>>123754119
I SAID THANKS AVADA
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>>123754370
y-you too
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>>123750394
>>123751878
Didn't you post here a couple of months ago?
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>>123751878
>>123752032
>>123753123
jesus christ you fucking spergs at least do some research on shit go fucking watch the goddamn state of the economy fanfest videos they fucking directly spoonfeed you this shit how useless do you have to fucking be
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>>123754501
the lizardface
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>>123753123
I'm not sure that CCP is behind that, but then who is the manipulator?
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>>123757510
>2011: memo from CCP saying how they will jew the fuck out of their fagtarded player base
>2015: CCP is gud dev and would never try to make money off us
lol
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>tfw you quit eve because you forgot to switch clone one time so your killboard is forever ruined by losing a 150m clone
>it's now been 2 years and the wounds still ache
I still lie awake at night sometimes and remember how my corp reacted to the news. Reliving the horrifying memory. OH MY GOD KILL ME!
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>>123759167

I wonder who leaked that memo. They're probably fired by now, replaced by some pink-haired feminist.
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>>123759874
You and your corp are fucking spergs. If a 150m is noticeably detrimental to your kb, you're fucking bad at pvp too.
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>>123759874
tfw lose 7b capitals and dont give any fucks
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>>123760945
post the petition
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>>123759874
> that hurt about a 150mil clone

Step up nigga
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>>123761432
and the gm response please
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>>123760945
>CCP refunded all of it because I claimed "bugged game I quit btw I run a blog related to EVE and I will write several articles on how bugged it is" in the petition :^)
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>>123747860
Off grid boosting is being removed in the next month or so and grid sizes are being increased to thousands of kilometers
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>>123761751
>>123761432
Rad, you just broke eula.

Thanks senpai, I hope you enjoy your ban.
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>>123761883
If you havent played in 2 years why are you here
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>>123761938
Why are any of us still here?
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EVERY TIME I TRY TO RUN DED I GET CLOSED SOCKET FOR SHITS SAKE CCP YOU MONGRELS
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>>123762734
I'll close your socket if you know what I mean.
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>>123763138
mom please, get off the internet
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>FC thinks he can get me to fly a guardian
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>>123759874
>i have a link to a 2.2b pod kill (awox) that i link to newbros for keks.
>Told the guy about it, he's like "That was pod express in a wh lol"
>KM says 0.4 empire lowsec
>mfw
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>>123763680
>listening to FCs
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A region I've been chilling in for a while (hanging out in its wormholes, w/e) now suddenly has an incursion profile active. What does this mean? Does it change anything for me?
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>>123766846
no. if it's low/null you might die on the gates sometimes to rats. also the belts will be full of incursion shit as well, so don't go to those.
>>
>click on web link in a chat
>game hangs, crashes
>refuses to boot up again
ccplease
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https://youtu.be/RQsADFj7wL0

gettin dat money senpai
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>>123768052
Dank, already posted to reddit and upvoted.
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>>123763680
>you either fly this energy guardian or I disband fleet anon
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>>123768242
>fleet disbands
>I go back to having fun
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>be adult male playing a video game
>allow another male to tell you how to play
>>
>be adult
>don't realize the value of cooperation and consensus building
>mindless do nothing and fuck around reveling in your hedonism
>muh internet freedom
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>>123768771

Good goyim! Pay those 15% taxes, and remember to support my kickstarter! Click the ads on the meta chat podcast as well!
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>cooperation
>in le killmails lmao xDD: online
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>>123768242
>having logi skills
>having amarr skills
>having amarr t2 skills
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>>123769419
>useless killmail whore
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>the only logis are guardians and scimitars
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>>123769841
>unironically oneiros or basilisk
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>>123769930
>unironically not inquisitor bantam exequror osprey
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fuck, im not ready for all this tidi just to get on this killmail
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>>123771014
is some retard sacrificing his titan or some shit?
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>>123771346
yeah
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>>123771346
where
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>>123771841
ur mums house
lmao pwned
no KB padding for you fage
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>>123768052
quality post

>>123768097
shitty blog post
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With the Aoe MJDs coming, is there a way for fleets to counter double jumps with perfect to good timing?
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>>123779059
have defensive destroyers

they should rework links and have an aoe one that dampens or stops the effect
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>>123779059
Hic bubble?
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>>123779059
no. if the command destroyers are getting warped onto you from off-grid, then all you can do is be in a fleet that moves fast enough that they won't land right on you. if you're in a slow fleet, they'll just land on you a fuck you up before you can lock them. and yeah even if you bring an instalocker to deal with them they can just bring more. you can't coordinate scrambling 5 different ships in 5 seconds.

one thing you can do if you want to fly an armour fleet with mids to spare and you can't handle a load of command destroyers warping on you is to do a scram chain and tackle your whole fleet.

oh also if you're in null you're fine, you can just put bubbles in the way so they can't land on you, I was talking about lowsec.
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>>123779365
I think the aoe MJD justs ignore the bubbles like standard MJD. HIC point will work but we talking about a 1 tick window here to apply it.
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>>123779412
Scram chain seems like the only real counter atm, unless you have something to lock and alpha it within the 6secs and from 100km away.

Also am talking about the problem with two command destroyers using the mjd to jump into and then out of the fleet. This avoids the 6 secs spool up within close proximity of the target.
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>>123780069
>unless you have something to lock and alpha it within the 6secs and from 100km away.

it's a scaling issue. solutions like this only work on 1-2 of them. if they just bring more you're going to get fucked.

I think the best solution is to just be in a fleet that permamwds at ~2km/s, like some kind of faggot hac fleet. that way they can't get warpins onto you, and they'll have to actually burn in on grid, which means they die instantly.
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>>123782575
what is orthrus fleet
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>>123782726
like a cerb fleet but with even worse tank and without permamwd + sig bonus?
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>>123782891
cerb fleet is slow as fuck and if you ever fly one you are instantly everything wrong with this game
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>people think jumping onto a moving fleet 100km away and landing within 6km of a ship will be easy
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>unironic orthrus pilots telling others what's good or bad for the game
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should I buy plex now?
I guess the price will go up after the sale
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>not raven
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>>123789320
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>>123789320
for low price buy plex in like
a week
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>Goons camping charity event fleets
Grr
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>>123799226
they had to bring their super cap fleet to become noticable, even with 400 man fleet
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>>123789320
yes
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>mfw flying battlecruisers unironically
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>>123805440
>not flying a CS
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Help me out, i'm going fuckign crazy

whenever i click on a ship, it fuckign put me into approach

How do i remove this fuckign bullshit piece fo shit thing. I've already removed the shortcut in the option, but it keeps happening, wtf is that dumb fuckign retarded shit
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>>123805782
How does Gorski feel about the new changes to links?
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>>123806254
>link cs

pls its all about the SLEIPNIR
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>>123806254
>the new changes to links

do you mean the new 5 second response to a Q&A on twitch saying they'll be fixed in a couple of months?
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>>123779412
>you can just put bubbles in the way so they can't land on you

>first MJD jumps destroyer to destination
>second MJD moves fleet away from bubble

>>123787216
combat probes

nobody remembers the new destroyers get link bonuses, I think CCP meant them for command platforms ala T2 battlecruisers

>elite PvP
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>>123806248
Stop double clicking then.
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>>123806609
I'm not. That's the fuckign ridiculous part. I'm holding ctrl and clicking to put my locks on, but then half the fuckign them it put me on approach, which is a fuckign piece of shit sicne i use sentries.
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>punisher nerf
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>>123807019
your mouse might be fucked
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>>123811164
yeah i had this issue when one of my older mice started double clicking
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>>123811164
>>123811417
Heh, it lived a long while, i guess i'll replace it
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>>123811417
could be worse, you could be trying to pvp with that

>try to move camera
>your ship flies right into/out of blaster range/lets the target escape/gets tackled
>you die
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>>123812732
make sure you test another game before chucking it, it could just be the game
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>>123812859
>other games

???
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>>123812987
make sure that you prove the double click is the issue in other games, if its just EVE it might not be the mouse
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>>123813207
>other games

Sorry bro i'm not following
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>eve
>game
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>>123813278
He means star citizen, it's totally gonna kill eve any day now u guise!1
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>kill something very expensive
>faggot blob comes in
>mfw I pop the wreck as I die
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>undocking
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>>123819720
try 38

man-mode your sites
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Hello dog, I've been looking for a stabber fit that is not shit for 4 years, can someone help me?
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>>123826474
nope
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>>123826474
250mm's, dual web, scram mwd
DCU, gyros, ancil repper

bait frigs into engaging you, kite enemy cruisers with barrage, go fast
thats literally all stabber can do well
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>>123827740
why not?
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>>123827761
>250mm's

nigmatar plz
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>>123827895
err i meant 220mm
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>>123768052
how
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>>123827761
>kiting cruisers on a cruiser when all you have is scram
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>>123830781
literally the best thing about a stabber is everyone thinks its shit and jumps all over it, including frigs
if it looks like someone is aligning out or pulling off you can go in for the scram and finish them
this might require you to actually fly the ship and have situational awareness though, so f1 pushers beware
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>>123831000
>on my vexor to kill this stabber bitch
>ah shit hes too fast oh well I'm out
>he gets in close to scram
>bing! kill report

There is no such thing as "finishing" anything on a stabber.
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>>123831263
>keep at 20 while vexor goes hambone trying to get a scram you you
>shoot his drones off
>vexor realizes his dps is gone
>start plinking him at range where his blasters cant do shit
>vexor realizes hes in too deep and trys to pull range
>use your superior speed to pull into scram range but stay outside of blaster range
>'finish him'

minmatar ships are about range control m8, like i said approach + f1 pushers need not apply
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>>123831713
show me a video of someone doing this, it sounds near impossible desu unless hes bad and never tries to warp off
This is not a cynabal, or a orthrus, you are dealing with 1-2kms give or take of range before he lands a scramble on you and kills you even if you had the upper hand and he has no drones.
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>>123832182
execution is up to the individual m8
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i have stopped playing for about a year and plex prices have doubled. what the hell happened? why so much inflation?
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>>123833023
the game is just so much more fun anon!
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>>123832182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovtZxKkmPrY&feature=youtu.be
~range control~
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>>123835498
I don't see anything even remotely close to what you described, all that video has is "easy" range control, nothing absurd like scram kiting a vexor with a stabber.
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>AU TZ
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hey fags, on a dualrep scram vengeance fit should I put a mwd or ab? I figured mwd is faster so you can at least try to slingshot vs kiters and whatnot, but then if I'm gonna sit at the warpin in a small plex anyway isnt an AB better if i rely on scramming incoming fags anyway and it would give more range control vs those?
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>>123842773
youll get dumpstered by anything with a web or ab
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>>123842958
how come? thought it'd go well if i just get to scram people within 5k

maybe go single rep and ditch the cap booster and add a web?
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>>123843540
sounds better
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>>123799226
>>123803683

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me1qmUMTd18
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>>123843682
lel everyone hates us xD
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>>123843909

Yeah. Life is good.
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>>123844019
Don't get cut on your way out
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>>123843682
>le tears :D
wow, great video
>>
>>123611298
Hi /eog/ do you guys have a favorite pvp video?
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>>123844797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dQKmODSLkE

this is my favorite
>>
>While Otro was further raised under Guristas influence, he drifted apart from them in pursuit of his quest for vengeance. This caused a notable rift between himself and the officer named Bane

>Fatal agreed to give up Bane in exchange to access to the Raven blueprints,
>>
Friendly reminder that if you are armor tanked and are mounting a Damage Control instead of a Reactive Armor Hardener even if you have enough free cap to run the reactive you are losing out on retardedly high unstacked targeted resistance. The same as an officer armor hardener.
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Can somebody explain to me the difference between 4% resistances and 7,5% repairer bonus?

inb4 do your homework: I'm already looking at pyfa, but I wanna hear the 'general consensus'
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>>123845940
what are you trying to do with your fit?
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>>123846008
I'm trying to UNDERSTAND the differences between each ship's bonuses

like caldari use rails and things like that

I thought the 4% was on Amarr and Caldari because biggu slow kantais races, but then why the punisher, why the merlin?

As far as I can tell from a guinea pig fit, 4% resistance bonused frigates have sligthly less tank regen but are more shielded thhroughout the spectrum.

A max skill Incursus instead can pull like -100 DPS tank, but if the opponent plugs into your resists holes you are screwed.

Is there something else?
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>>123845347
Jokes on you I only fly T3Cs, I already have 93%+ resists on everything.
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where can I find new sites on SISI? is it lowsec/null only or high as well?
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>>123846381
I dont really know that much
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>>123846381
fuck are you even going on about?
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>>123845940
resistances lets you have a strong local tank or catch reps better
rep bonus limits you to active
rep bonuses tend to give you more for your money but active tanks have the risk of being alphaed before they run long enough to be on par with just fitting a plate

both are situationally excellent
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>>123847587
For instance the sleipnir's 7.5% boost a level is dank as fuck because with dual xlasb and bluepill you tank stupid amounts

Try it on a vargur!
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in small gang engagements ships like sliep or demois are scary because they can literally just hold the field forever if you cant break their reps
however in an n+1 engagement youd want max buffer for catching reps or just plain tanking more when enemy fleets dumps 10k dps combined fire on you

i still dont entirely understand what this guy is asking by the way
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>14k players online
wow what happened to EVE?
>>
>>123845347
the damage control will give you better thank in the long run, and energized adaptive nano membranes even with 2 stacking penalties the EANM's are better
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>>123847994
au tz
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>>123848121
Well that sucks. Guess I'll play a different game.
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am I safe against incursion gate rats if I fit a few WCS?
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>>123853510
What do you fly? If you align like a t1 hauler you will survive. You only get 200-1500 damage depending what fag sits on gate.
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>>123779702
it does more, it pulls the disrupt probe with them so technically you can uncloak a sabre 100km off, drop bubble then mjd the bubble and sabre on the fleet
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>>123854273
harbinger
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>>123858628
You should be fine m8, but maybe look up the rats that scram. Dunno if they appear at gates.
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>>123859679
They do in low/null.

>>123853510
Fit five and you can get through.
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scram rats:

Schmaeel Medulla 30km
Tama Cerebellum 24km
Auga Hypophysis 9km
Deltole Tegmentum 20km
Outuni Mesen 24km
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>>123860032
>>123859756
>>123859679
thanks
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>>123846381
CCP fucked the whole "this race should be good at that" thing a LONG time ago.

Except for Gallente.

Just judge each ship by its own merit and don't bother with racial trends.
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>>123846381
what do you mean why the punisher?

>less tank regen

nope. a punisher takes 80% of the damage a tormentor takes, so it effectively has 25% more hitpoints or rep amount. same for a merlin to a kestrel. it has nothing to do with resist holes.
>>
Wait, so CCP is going to boost gaykiters even MORE with the introduction of command dessies?
>>
>>123864136
yes
>>
What's the solo ship meta look like these days? Haven't played since 2012.
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>>123865014
are you asking what's popular or what's good
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>>123865385

Both would be useful. Most of what I remember about ships and fits has atrophy and anything to start with will help me get back into the swing of things.
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>>123865014
>solo
nope
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>>123865667
well in lowsec at least, people seem to be catching on and actually understanding that scram kiters always beat short range brawlers. so the most dangerous T1 brawlers you'll see are tormentors and tristans. best navy are rail comets. I guess a fairly big part of this is hull tanking rigs, they gave gallente (already the best frigs) a big buff, so they now have an omni-resist capless buffer tank with no speed penalties.

svipuls are total fucking cancer. check out the top ships down on the right https://zkillboard.com/
svipuls are extremely popular for faggoty cheapo gatecamps for killing soloers, they're popular for gangs and for solo as well. this ship is worse than hitler, and you'll see it absolutely everywhere. it pretty much auto-wins vs all frigs and destroyers, and has lots of setups.

people solo in larger ships as well I guess, but not very often. I like dual rep thoraxes. for nullsec really, in lowsec you'll get more fights in a frig or destroyer.
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>>123866191
>tfw trained for svipul as a newbie not knowing how the community hates it
>tfw flying it anyway
Sorry, I guess.
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>>123866674
I admit I flew a bunch of them solo, I don't do it anymore though
double web kiting fit :^)
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>>123866674
>Zooming around lowsec/FW lowsec in a thrasher
>Faction frigates, T3Ds, T2 cruisers want to have sex, everything else runs or is a stabbed farmer
>Switch to svipul
>Whole new atmosphere as things dock jump or log the fuck off when you're around.
>Unless it's a gatecamp of cancerous niggers
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>>123867201
t1 destroyers get so many fights. catalyst thrasher coercer disposable cheap gank master race.
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>>123867301
>gank
>fight
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>>123867301
CAN'T BOOT THE NOOT
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>corax
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>it's not a fight if you have damage mods fitted
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>>123867301
they have to be disposable if you are taking unwinnable fights i.e. any fight you're going to get in FW cancer
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>doing sansha 4/10
>slave my ass off for an hour of gay kiting
>ohmang, time for epic loot
>lol no xD overseer effects
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I love the Apollos Tyrannos portrait. Can I has it?
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I got wardecced, by some people who're apparently from lowsec or something?

Which is confusing because my alliance is a dedicated elite highsec PVP alliance so that's a really dumb thing to do.

So we found like six of them in battleships camping a gate near amarr, which is strange because their KB says they are lowsec people. We went and blew them all up. The entire thing is a little surreal. I'm not sure why they would have done this.
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What do you think of the new Macharial design?
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>>123869515
What new design
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>>123869515
I don't think that skirt is her size
>>
>try to make amarr ships work
>no cap
>no mids

end it
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>>123869860
train your cap skills m8
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>>123869917
>omen
>all skills 5
>turrets, scram and repairer running
>no mwd
>4 minutes
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>>123870137
so? 4 minutes is a long time
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>>123870190
mid slots are still shit
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>>123870295
so don't run a brawling active tank
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>>123870339
no CPU
>>
>>123870560
what
>>
>>123870654
just show me the best fit for the hull
>>
>>123870739
no such thing
>>
>tfw no jf
>>
>>123870137
Cap stability is really not important.

Post the fit you've got, and what you're actually trying to do with the ship.
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>>123869510
>dedicated elite highsec PVP
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>highsec
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>pretty much all minmatar cruisers
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>bellicose
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Let's make this into a working fit.
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lowsec is safe if i fit a few stabs and I dont run into a camp, right?
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>>123874067
wow eft why are you so terrible
>>
>>123874215
Comedy aside, do the multispectral actually work?
>>
>>123874321
6.3 jam strength each without heat, so yeah.

I'd swap one of them for an ecm burst though, 15.75 strength on that fit with 20+9 range. could maybe do with swapping the neut for a nos.
>>
>>123874215
Is the MJD for closing distance or escaping? wouldn't rails be better then?
>>
>>123874760
escaping I guess. it's not like I actually fly this.
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>>123874834
I know, but in case of a lmao fleet, how to actually fly it?
>>
>>123874995
99% of mjd use I see is for coward brawling, so you can run away when you start getting fucked. I'm not saying you can't mjd onto someone who sits 100km from you and does nothing, but it's very rare that you'll get the opportunity.
main thing I like mjd for is getting through anchored bubble spam quickly. it's massive suffering when you jump a bs into 100km of bubbles in all directions.
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>>123872405
Better than FW.
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>>123875560
>>
I keep getting killed wherever I go, fuck.
>>
>>123876934
look at the in-game map, dotlan and some killboards if you don't know the area
>>
>>123877037
I was trying to get back home after my WH closed (should keep a better eye on their timers), jump through a wormhole, there's three players, just waiting there. What the fuck was I supposed to do.
It's not that I don't know how to travel safely, it's just that things keep messing up for me. I can easily afford new ships and gear since I'm flying cheap shit, but it's just so frustrating when it happens at least twice a week. :(
>>
>>123877297
rip. I'd love to see some nerfs for faggot campers, but they seem to just get new toys all the time for increased faggotry.
>>
>>123877406
>rip. I'd love to see some nerfs for faggot campers
What the fuck does this even mean? Gitgud
>>
>>123873775
>no dps
>no mobility
So what if you jam them, they can literally showboat away out of point range and warp off.
>>
>>123877406
Gates are the only choke points in the game and subsequently literally the only place you can intercept people while they're traveling.

Nerfing "faggot campers" would, in reality just make it harder to shoot people in the place where shooting is most likely to occur naturally and would be a net nerf to pvp activity in general.
>>
>>123877297
If you jump through a while you can just jump back, assuming you came in from K space. Also travel in a cloaky whenever you're in or going through w space
>>
>>123879602
>new cheap as shit logi cruisers
>logis don't even take gateguns
>your thrasher is instalocking without even fitting sebos, and it has more slots and goes faster and can fit a tank and is massively superior in every way
>even more tackle range bonus ships, press F1 to completely immobilize all solo pvpers within 20km
>more cloaky/d-scan immune ships for enhanced easy faggotry
>hics scramming out to 35km
>still no ecm or logi nerfs after like 10 years of them being totally broken
>reapproaching the gate? my bifrost when

yeah it's me that needs to git gud right
>>
>>123880252
>Being this retarded

This is what 'solo pvp' fags actually believe.
>>
>>123880252
>>logis don't even take gateguns
Yes they do
>>
>>123880514
they can inherit weapons, suspect and criminal timers, but they won't take gateguns ever from just repping people
>>
>>123880657
They can still take gate guns because the gate guns will cycle targets including logi that adopt the shooter's timer and aggression
>>
>>123880934
that isn't true. not since crimewatch.
>>
>>123880030
But the hole had closed by the time I wanted to make my return. Yes, I have a cloak fitted, but I can't warp or hack or whatever cloaked.
>>
>>123866674
who gives a shit
are there seriously fags out there that care about what the COMMUNITY thinks about them?
>>
>>123691143
Jesus you must be bored. The whole point behind ganking is (was) to make isk. If you are ganking for the 'tears' by throwing near equal amounts of isk to get the kill as the guy is worth you are hardly getting them.
>>
>>123868043
I know the feeling. I made nearly a bill with a 5/10 which took an entire day.

The next two 5/10s (also took days) gave me literally nothing.
>>
>>123881030
Before crime watch, concord and gate guns couldn't target or engage more than one person at a time.

Any person that inherits an illegal timer on a gate or station will get gate guns, the gate guns will cycle targets and logi is included because they are also criminalous

yes I know this is true because doing logi for years and I still take take gate guns when camping a gate.

Before crime watch, logi was never targeted because they never "participated"
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>>123883475
what the fuck are you guys running them with? logi ships?
>>
>>123868043
>no overseer effects
this is false, you always get overseer effects
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my game turned into a telltale game
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>>123883475
How does a 5/10 take an entire day?
>>
>>123883703
I don't know where you get this shit from. before crimewatch, logi would get refreshed GCC whenever they rep an outlaw, so they'd have gateguns for an entire roam.
after crimewatch, you get all the suspect/weapons/etc. timers that let people shoot you and prevent you from jumping, but unless you're putting combat drones on people or whatever, the gateguns don't shoot.
>>
>>123884472
The gate guns will shoot at anyone who gets a criminal or suspect timer, the gate guns do cycle targets including logi
>>
>>123880252
There is no such thing as an installing ship. Even with infinite scan resolution they take a 0.5 second server tick to lock plus however long is between you being visible on the overview and them hitting the lock button.

Realistically you always have at least a second to activate your cloak when you jump into a camp before you're locked and another half second before their point cycles.
>>
>>123884548
nope. and they don't really care what visible timers you have - you can warp off and come back and they'll stop shooting, even though you still have crim and suspect
>>
>>123884612
I'm not going to get into this retarded discussion about ticks. they are fast enough locking to catch anything you'd want to actually fly. you aren't pvping in an inertia stabbed frigate.
>>
>>123884548
no he's right logi don't take gate guns.
>>
>>123884635
Yes they fucking do bruh, I've been running logi for years under this, logi does take gate guns

also notice that I said "GETS a criminal or suspect timer on the gate" of course I know if you warp away and come back they'll stop shooting at you until you do something else to grab their attention

logi can still get gate guns, I've been taking them all the time and I don't use combat drones, I use shield or armor repair drones
>>
>>123884840
but they don't
>>
>>123884792
Yes they do, we can go on sisi right now with 3 people, a victim, a shooter and a logi to heal the shooter, eventually the gate guns will cycle off to the logi
>>
>>123884947
you can keep saying they don't when they clearly fucking do
>>
>>123698537
You seem to be forgetting that Brave Collective and Brave Squids both still exist.

Also read minerbumping for examples of truly terrible highsec alliances.
>>
>>123885052
we can do this forever
>>
>>123885129
see
>>123884949
>>
>>123885206
I'm busy
>>
>>123885387
>I don't want to prove myself wrong
>>
>>123883973
still more gameplay in the quarters than a TT game tho.
>>
>>123885461
you can go prove yourself wrong if you like, I'm not stopping you
>>
>>123884949
Go read crimewatch again. Sentries only react to sec loss actions.
>>
>>123885664
Station Door Button will remember that...
>>
>>123883709
>not taking the challenge of doing them as a newbro

>>123883820
I mean it gave me only the OPE
>>
>>123887225
>not taking the challenge of doing them as a newbro
implying you can't fly decent ships as a newbro
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>>123887225
>I mean it gave me only the OPE
yeah it happens
>>
>>123887341
not really to tank a 5/10. Especially the angel is gay shit with the target painting.
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