/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

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First For League

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I'm making progress on Orphan of Kos.

I've managed to get him down to around 25% a few times now, and pretty much have the first phase down pat. I just need to get used to the chaos that is phase two.

Soon, brothers, soon.

no news on retail complete edition for NA?

>>123350259
Apparently the Loch Shield will completely negate all of this stupid spells, so maybe give that a shot.

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ok I REALLY need help on Orphan of Kos. My shitty gemmed NG arcane build ain't doing shit. which makes me sad because I stomped him on my str build. I can get him to 2nd phase, but damn.

ringing my bell with "plip" as the password. please help I just want to be a slug man and this is the last thing I need before I start chalice grinding.

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FUCK OFF

FUCK OFF

FUCK OFF

FUCK OFF

Does the Hunter after the drop down from going left after climbing a ladder drop the Beasthunter Staff?

>>123350151
Ok lets try this again:

Where is the second npc you can use for the ludwig fight and do you need to beat ludwig to continue?

Can i just fight him later cause hes extremely annoying.

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>>123350224
please don't step on cute bugs thank you

Orphan phase two is just random shit. You need to get lucky.

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Newfag getting into the game for the DLC. Which weapons will take me the farthest as far as PvE and PvP go? Liking the hunter's axe right now, looking to branch out.

Thanks guys who help me with OoK, took about 12 blood vials and all my bullets but we finally took that nigger out. Appreciate it.

>>123350437
Just dodge the arcane electricity attacks while also dodging his oil urn bomb things and his mad dashes bro

no problem right

>>123350454
The first I assume is Henriett or whatever. Below the lamp. The second is Valtr, behind some rocks past that gate. There are crows guarding the summon sign. I'm not sure if you can have both at once and you need to be wearing the Impurity rune to summon Valtr.

>>123350454

You have to beat him to progress.

Don't know where the other NPC is

So i want to use the beasthunter saif, the amy arm, and beast claws on different builds, to the best of their abilities, at the lowest lvl possible (like 75 or 80) can you help my out with it?

Also my dream will come true and i can finally become a tentacle monster for real. I have a 50arc character, that will do for that mode right?

>>123350521
I don't have enough sweating frog pictures to express how worried I am about this fuck on my BL66 ARC kin build I'm about to make

>>123350348
Woah. I'll look into it anon.

Does it work on his red-spells and the lightning-spell as well?

bbg moving too fast. kockbra and luci need to leave.

>>123348450
sorry man, my internet cut out. Are you still available to help?

>>123350603
It should.

>>123348248
Don't know. NG+ bosses hits like a truck, but your 45vit still same since NG. And their health pool is crazy.

>>123350582

Is that the 40VIT/40ARC build?

That's what I'm doing now (except I'm 76 now because I want 50ARC tentacles and shit).

>>123350424
We did, your death was not in vain

>>123350348
I was wondering why that shitter Kobra had it equipped for this boss fight.

>>123350582
Fuck that noise man. I had a hard enough time with an actually good build that could damage him.

Good luck with that shit.

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>Fighting Ludwig
>Get him to his last fucking 5%
>New puppy been chewing on paper towel roll near my feet
>Happens to glance at my foot and decides to nip it
>Jump from pain, eat two sword hits to the mouth and die

I love this new dog, she's fucking adorable but oh my god I want to throw her out of a window.

>>123350521
kek. follows miyazaki's philosophy of fighting for your life and barely surviving.

>>123350683
I actually never once used that shield
It just looks nice

>>123350652
I'm glad friend.

>>123350709
>>123350647
30 vit 50 ARC. It's how I plan to git gud at this fucking boss, I didn't have too much troubles on the BL68 SKL and the BL80 ARC build I've taken through the DLC.

Anyone want to help me with the orphan? pass is memes
pls

>>123350734
It really does. Amazing fight because I was truly barely surviving it. In the second stage getting heals off solo is a fucking bitch

>>123350790
Be there in a second. You ringing before the lamp?

Quick, where can I quickly get a gem with pure arc % up that isn't the Mensis Droplet? It doesn't need to be powerful at all, any piece of shit will do, I just want to test something.

>>123350390
got u babe

>>123350735
Sawmill +9 L2 does negligibly low damage to the doll with max flat arc gems.

>>123350816
i'm ringing at the lamp where you get the bowblade

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HELLO

can someone do me a huge favor? I'm away on vacation so can someone post a full body picture of a male character, face forward, in good lighting, with the executioner set, bucket helmet, normal bloodletter, and loch shield? It's for my DnD game tomorrow.

many thanks

>>123350083
i just tested this again and i'm not really happy with the result. damage isn't as good as my bolt whirligig with cold gems

the main issue is that the % physical component of the flat gems is wasted (unlike with wheel). so unless you farm *excruciatingly* rare %arc/+arc gems you're going to be missing out on a big chunk of damage, like 10%.

cold gems can get 15 phys and bolt gems can get +34 from abhorrent beast so you can still get a pretty substantial amount of +flat on a percent-perfect bolt whirligig

>>123350834
I think you get one in the cave in Forbidden Woods. It's a triangle.

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>still no wiiu version

Holy shit! The follow up r2 on the mlgs is wrecking people.

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Well that bone ash mask may finally look decent on something finally.

>get all these cool weapons
>pvp sucks in this game so can't really use them
fuckkkkkkk why cant pvp not be garbage

>max getting rekt by orphan.
>top tier confirmed.

>>123350896
if no one else has done it within 10~ minutes I can for you

>>123350902
*like 20%, sorry

>>123350895
Ringing there as well then.

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I couldn't help myself

>>123350906
That works for me

>>123350508
For start, the hunter's axe is OP, after a little bit, it depends, if you want strength build, Ludwig's, if you want bloodtinge, Uchigatana, If you want Arcane... you don't want arcane.

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Fuck, I really shouldn't have used those chunks up on amy's arm, this thing is a piece of crap.

>>123350859
thanks so much sawbro! Lots of close calls jesus christ he is lame.

>old hunter carb with hunter hat

This feels right, but damn I wish the cap wasn't so huge.

Hi bbg, should i play bloodborne or dark souls 2 first?

>>123351065
>10 new weapons.
>Chunks are still rarer than my chance at getting laid.
Why even bother giving us new weapons until they've fixed the stupid shit in the main game?

Kos parasite arcane build - is this a thing? And I don't mean "is this competitive in pvp," but rather does it really even work? I like the idea and was thinking of making a new character and just pumping out arcane

>>123350978
just lost connection, I'm trying again senpai

>>123351107
yes it is a thing. Need the rune to use the kos parasite though.

>>123350959
thank you! i've been asking all day lol
i was worried no one would help me out

>>123351103
Bloodborne.

>>123351105
Chunks are all over the place in the dlc, what are you talking about?

AWAY
AWAY

How the FUCK do you get to the top level of the clocktower when you raise the stairs?

What door/path am I missing?

>>123351105

Use jemmjmpi
Kill Brainsucker boss and reset
Brainsucker boss drops chunks and a gem. Normally drops 2 chunks, very rarely drops 1 or zero.

>>123351154
i finished the dlc and only got enough to upgrade one, maybe two weapons

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>maria
>kos
>ludwig


those fucking god-tier bosses...Fromsoft is the special one developer.

>>123351123
That's what you get for trying to out anime her.

>>123351107
Arcane is incredibly hard to start the game with.

You don't get any good hunter's tools or any arcane weapons or gems for quite a long time

>>123351142
No problem

Just gotta help this guy do Micolash if PSN would hurry the fuck up and I'll get to it

For a bloodletter build its best just to have it at 14 str/50blt correct? Since its 2H is basically the chikage where its damage is all blood damage right?

>Vanilla beast claws and Beast mode deal pretty much the exact same damage
>Beast mode claws are substantially slower, especially on the startup
>Females don't have their own model
The jump attack and built in roar are kinda cool though

>>123351173
Sounds like a lot of work for 1 or 2 chunks.

>>123351107
i have been running around with 50 ARC kos parasite for hours and it's outright good, including competitive in PvP

i have good gems though

>>123350525
>need to be wearing the Impurity rune to summon Valtr.
>>123350525
thank you anon

Now lets talk about ludwigs ceiling drop move/

WHY THE FUCK DOES IT RANDOMLY KILL ME!
I KNOW IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO EXPERIENCED THIS BULLSHIT!

>ludwig junmps to ceiling
>run in a straight line to avoid it
>it works
>every so now and then
> i get 1 shoted even though i was running full speed

>>123351182
After fighting these bosses I'm scared to wonder if Das3's bosses will be a let down

I know they are different games but damn.

What happens if I told that guy in the basement of the prison that I hear the bell? Did I fuck it?

>>123351215
Then don't do it and keep bitching you don't have any.

>>123351224
how much damage does it say you do under stats? i have 40 ARC and good gems and +10 and it only says 225

>>123351108
Well that was eventful. I'll be ringing again should you need it, sorry about the suck.

>>123351245
I haven't been following Das3, is it's pace the same as bloodborne? I can't imagine fighting bosses as good as Gehrman, Maria or Orphan in something as slow as souls.

>>123351215
>make dungeon (10 seconds)
>loading screen (30ish seconds)
>1 minute to reach lever
>1 minute to reach boss door
>30 seconds to kill brainsucker
>20 seconds to warp back to HD

>>123351182
Laurence was a good example of reusing a boss, not just a health/dam buff but new moves too. Always loved the cleric beast design so glad it was the one resued

>>123351196

Even though I know that, it never crossed my mind for some reason. What stat should I just level until I can start the arcane dump? Just go with a typical skill build for a while, then go into skill/arcane and get blades of mercy or something? I just need a stat to fill the time until I can become the beautiful blue tentacle monster I was meant to be

>>123351123
You do understand your note getting rated fine just as Chikage was done draining your health was the only reason you survived that, right?

>>123351292
>Warp to upper cathedral ward
>kill 3 werewolves through the door
>Loot
>Go back
>Reload

>>123351163
elevator on bottom floor or the room behind the church priest

>>123351285
It's a little faster than proper souls but not much

Look up the footage of DaS3, the one boss fight shown looks great

>keep failing at Ludwig NG+3
damnit I'm tired, when exactly do you dodge when in 2nd phase? I keep rolling to his back & he fucking auto-lock on my asshole.

And now I ran out of insight so fuck that too.

In desperate need of assistance with the Orphan. I'm ringing my bell near the fog gate. Pass is arc4life.

I am on NG+++ so this will be perilous. I can get it to about 25% HP, but that final form is incredibly difficult. I think I can win if I have someone else with me.

>>123351342
then do that and hope you sucked RNGesus' dick well enough to give you enough chunks from werewolves to be more efficient than farming brainsucker

>>123351324
Nah, her visceral didn't do that much damage

jemmjmpi is really best place for farming chunks
>killing boss in 15 sec
Fuckin Miyazaki. It's like a shop but with retarded loading screens

The pizza cutter is fucking amazing.

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Does anyone have any reference pictures of Kos' face?

>>123351284
that's fine, I just needed that little bit of insight and I was able to beat it. Thanks.

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>get hit once
>inescapable combo of death

NG++ was a mistake

When do I get to the fishing hamlet? I got Laurence's skull now and I just want my bloodletter asap. Already spoke the Harrowed Hunter twice.

Why is Maria unable to kill herself permanently but we can do it?

How many outfits were added in the DLC?

>>123350151
Guys I figured it out
It's called a Frock Coat

>>123350902
Upon further testing it would seem like the big difference in attack rating makes the damage difference negligible, so two cold gems is indeed the better setup.

>floor boards at home being polished
>can't enter house till Saturday
Fuck /Bbg/ you all sound so jolly :( i bags the church pick tho

>>123351653
After ascending to the top of the Astral Clocktower.

Where did you find Laurence's skull?

>>123351641
Looks like you had chance to dash on last hit. Wtf dude. Where's your adrenaline?

>>123351660
just one :\

So what is the build like for Kin mode? Just hard arcane?

>>123351260
302 at 50 ARC

but the AR is a complete lie. that's the AR when you're not transformed. i hit players for 350, and that's after defense. if i punch stuff with the parasite in human form i do ~150-200 and that makes sense

>>123351782
There's certainly more than that, as I'm in possession of seven.

>>123351641
pretty sure this happened to me in NG
it could have been when I was a summon though

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why did german make her an action figure?

>>123351696
Post your build

>>123351320
Just raise vit and use the saw spear I guess? You can use that with minimal stat investment

I would do some chalices early to get better gems though ASAP

>>123351850
Wouldnt you?

>>123351696
yeah. the flat thing works and it might be ok for twink builds but for serious arcane the AR waste is too great

>>123351676
Ya don't fucking say.

Also sometimes called the conductor's coat (Though not as often any more because people think less of train conductor and more of music conductor which is an entirely different coat, but try googling it all the same)

>>123351635
I'm glad friend.

>>123351763
Room on your left when you start at the lamp of Research Hall. With the balcony key you can open it and go down and you basicly get to the area where you would find emmisary boss in the main game. Go through the window there and drop down, laurence's skull is on the altar and you can hit the switch to go down to get the church cannon.

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>>123351625
got you

>>123351936
lewd

>>123351641
never stop dodging when he does that shit.

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Alright, I did some testing with the Holy Moonlight Blade to see how arc damage plays a role in the weapon.

Both the transformed and untransformed were R1's, beam was the standard [uncharged] R2, timed to make sure no counter damage was happening, and repeated several times to make sure the number was consistent.

Testing was done on Cainhurst ghosts.

Gem used was a Arcane ATK UP +10.5%

Untransformed:
Without gem: 332
With gem: 333

Transformed:
Without gem: 337
With gem: 340

Beam:
Without gem:138
With gem: 171

Conclusion:
Untransformed takes very minimal damage from the build in arc
Transformed takes a little, also fairly minimal
Beam is very heavily based off arc

Alright so I just beat the Orphan with a flawless Phase 2 technique:

HUG HIS ASS

No matter what he's doing, you should be dashing towards his behind. If you think you'll get hit, stop thinking because you won't. All you have to do is dodge towards him and finger his ass like there's no tomorrow.

>>123351936
>Fighting any kind of giant in bloodborne openly when there's a perfectly fine doorway like five feet from every single one.

You stupid boy?

>>123351005
I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE TO FILL YOUR DARK SOUL WITH LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

>>123351942
Ah thank you comrade.

>>123351320
the typical thing you do for few arc is
1. use saws and throw molotovs a lot at the beginning
2. use the flamesprayer
3. do chalices immediately to get a cursed fire radial from the dudes with flaming weapons

after that you're gold. by the time you have a +6 fire weapon it is REALLY easy to beat the main game. the DLC might be hard but there are really good arcane gems available in the DLC, like 20% bolt radials from the lightning wizards

>>123351992
>final boss is a miscarriage

I'm still coming to terms with this

>>123351974
so in conclusion it sucks?

are there any good physical gems for beast form in the dlc or is it back to chalice diving?

>>123352098
For arc builds yes

>>123352098
as a pure arc build yes.

>>123352134
>>123352136
what's a good build for it then?

>>123352018
Speaking of gems, I've seen a bunch of people saying use flat gems after 1.07 hit even if they're slightly less than the %, how in the fuck would that even work? I'm not the greatest at math but no matter how I look at it, if I've got a 200 damage weapon there's no way a +24 atk gem will beat a +25% atk gem.

Or were they talking about purely min-max no upgrade weapons? But even then it makes no sense, at early levels when your weapon is only 60 damage, sure +20 gem would be better than +20% gem, but there's no way in hell you're getting gems that high if a 60 damage weapon is the best you can do.

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>yfw Kosm was BTFO

>>123351992
i keep getting rekt when he jumps around and sprays blood everywhere when it happens during the lightning attack

i cant keep track of all that shit

How do you get Adeline to take the 2nd brain fluid?

>>123352191
quality

thoughts on beast mode pvp? is it just a meme?

WHERE IS BRIAN FLUID
WHO EVEN IS BRIAN AND WHY DO I NEED HIS FLUID?

>>123351974
fwiw it's possible to have a functional HMB build with 25/50 STR/ARC and nourishing gems. but i suspect the apex is 50/25

the projectile is REALLY nice though, kind of like a simon's bowblade

>>123352245
use blood and/or reload area

>>123352209
>ILL FORGET EVERYTHING
>ILL FORGET
>ILL
You... do know you can use an apostrophe in filenames, right?

>>123352245
Leave the area and then come back.

>>123352191
Str/arc with a 50/50 or even 50/25 split would push out scary amounts of damage with point blank R2's and L2's

>>123351415
This.
Im new game plus+ and im done ill just have to get PS+ and summon and online person to help with this bullshit.

I hate to do it as someone who solo'd the main game before the dlc was released but this boss is ludicris.
I love the dlc but if this boss is the first of more bullshit ill be pretty ticked.

Already see you guys talking about the orphan.
And for all these fags talking about hurr durr so easy i one shoted, either you post a webm or STFU!
PC fucks are cancer

Im sick and tired of all these bloodborn bosses random flailing around attacks, im tired of the random stun locks that you never expect or are ready for.

Only thing i have figured out so far is that valtar or whatever his name is, is a must for the boss fight.

I just started using him and on my 2 and 3rd try i made it to the second phase with not nearly as much trouble as the other npc.

Im really staring to wonder if from actually play test some of these bosses with normal characters and not the tanks the let people use for stage demos.

>>123351417

Please help, /bbg/, this frustrating.

>>123352271
plip plop plip plop

splish splash splish splash

>>123352206
it's scaling gems that got buffed in 1.07. +flat damage gems are still the same, i think

>>123352318
I can be something of a useless distraction. 30 vit, though, so him one shotting me is possible.

>>123351417
I will try

>NG+6
>been stuck on the first DLC boss since yesterday

it doesn't hurt that I havent played for months

>>123351415
>>123352313
Why are you people seriously even going into NG+? There's no benefit, nothing changes, I can understand NG+ if you want the Scythe, but even then you can Moon presence and just skip the ending, after you're done making your character, entire challenge should be just done with farming chalices, there's no point in touching the NG+ or anything beyond since it does nothing.

>40 vit
>lv 120
>laurence still 2 shots me
NG+ shouldnt be this insane.

>>123351867
Made it for the wheel. Boils down to 50 vit, 49 arc, 20 str, 12 end at 98
>>123351913
Good to know going forward. Pretty solid weapon

>>123352313
Git gud.

I beat all the bosses on NG+2 with my ARC build at level 98. Ludwig took me around an hour.

>>123352127
I got a 22% droplet from a brain trust in the area just before orphan
just farm those, I guess

>>123352380
>>123352393

Ok, ringing now.

I'm thinking of making a Maria build, should it be pure skill or have some bloodtinge in there as well?

>>123352313
sorry there are no circle strafe bosses like dark souls 2 for you.

>>123351967
That's not Kos, that's the Orphan. Kos has a pretty, female face.

>>123352209
kosm was a misake

-Miyazaki

>>123352457
Got session lost as soon I was summoned.

I am completely blown away by this game. I just did byrgenwerth and killed the spider, Rom. the boss area is stunning.

Is there a list of all the gems slots for each type of weapon?

>>123352486
You need the Evelyn for that build so you need a little bit of BT

>>123352310
str over arcane even with the scaling? i guess ill just wait for the guide scans.

>>123351974
>>123352284
there's one other attack that scales off arcane, which is the transform attack from trick mode to untricked. you stab the sword into the ground and it explodes, same move ludwig does

people are shit-talking this weapon a bit too much. with 25/50 and nourishing gems i break 800 AR and fully charged projectiles hit for over 1000, which is pretty fucking great for 1 bullet.

i suspect that 50/25 STR/ARC is better but i'm pretty dubious that SKL is better

>>123352492
>Dark Souls 2
>Circle Strafe Bosses
>Dark Bosses Are a Compass and your rectum is North Souls fucking Two
>Circle Strafe
Nigger, Don't try to imply shit any more, implying requires the person doing it to know a fucking thing about the subject.

>>123352529

That's strange, but it's happened to me before.

>>123352362

They must have gotten buffed pretty hard to make them not totally worthless. When are they worth using now?

>>123352556
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Weapons

>>123352559
yeah, but enough to make it work or just enough to equip it? It's my first bt build so I'm basically clueless

>>123352532
damn son. get the dlc and don't get spoiled. you only halfway. leave bbg.

Where's the earliest place to get some decent gems in the main game? I have a +6 Amy Arm and I want to get the MLGS as soon as possible.

>>123351415
Protip: when a boss tracks exceptionally well, don't try to dodge that attack.

Instead just sprint around him in as tight a circle as possible. This completely fucks up ultra tracking attacks.

>>123351775
>>123351970

>Bloodborne and souls series has become a game about mashing instead of planing carefully coordinated attacks and using patience and skill.

One of the main flaws of bloodborne: Everything is mash untill dead

To prevent this developers give enemies ability to randomly tank your attacks and 1 shot you.

I have very little interest in dark souls 3.
I love BB for it being unique but flawed addition to the series,but i don't think from can make a decent souls game anymore.

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>>123352503
fucking

>>123352486
>>123352559
Skill/Tinge, then? Are you gonna use the Chikage as well?

>>123352325
I'm so sorry.

>>123352660
The healing thing honestly ruins it.

>>123352698
Definitely a Kos-MMMM, for sexy.

>>123351105
I picked a character at random from my saves and i was able to get 3 weapons up to +8 as soon as I got them

git gud and start spelunking

Guys I just beat the orphan.
Is the dlc just....over now? I slapped the black ghost thing as well.
Also how the heck do I do the beast transformation?

>>123352457
>RNG god abandoned me
I hope you will kill him

Fuck, I got combo'd ringing again.

>>123352574
skill over str for mlgs? wat?

I'm in the room with all the Ridley Scott Alien statues and the spiral staircase

I don't know what to do I've cleared the place out

>>123352790
You've got one more boss to go.

>>123352814
Where the fuck do I go from here?

>>123352569
You could go 25/50 and focus more on the point blank beams, like this guy said >>123352574

Basically it's choosing what's absolutely optimal vs. what's not as optimal but still decent

>>123352808
did you head to the top? there's more stairs after the gatling grandpa

>>123351342
That ends up taking longer because those wolves are not guaranteed chunks. You can get shards 3 times in arow

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Should I go 40/40 or 25/50 for my skl/blt build. Its for bowblade and chikage. According to mugen I get the best AR from 40/40 but going 25/50 gives me the most damage in chikage's 2h mode, guns and snek since S scaling

>>123352660
You just frustrated. It's not BB fault. Orphan is boss that we waited so long

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>trying to co-op Maria
>hosts keep dying on me

>>123351245
Probably will be a let down in comparison. Then the DLC ones will be GOAT. That's just how from works

>>123352424
>Why are you people seriously even going into NG+

It was my first charcter and i beat the game the first time getting help except for the last 2 boss fights(gerham,moon P) and i wanted to play a souls game the proper way and solo it by myself with no help from online or npc and learn how fight the bosses properly thru trial and error.

I did it and i dropped the game afterwards.
Dlc got e hyped
Dlc is awesome and atmospheric as fuck,but this fucking boss.

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>>123352758
>tfw i'm in love with a globster

>>123352703
I might keep it as a side just for the blood moveset, so I guess that means I need some bt. What kind of balance am I looking for?

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>ds 3 will be last souls-like series

>>123351485
What chalice/depth is it?

>>123352660
That's just the DLC talking, you've gotten good at the game, and the DLC comes out and turns you into a little bitch and you decide the game is shit, I know, I felt the same way when Artorias of the Abyss came out for Dark Souls. But that's no reason to shun Dark Souls 3 when it looks like its gonna be great.

Its not the game that's button mashy and rushed, its the community that makes it that, just like grinding and over-leveling has become the norm people completely miss the point of the game.

>>123352857
i like optimal.

>>123352424
Chunks and bell maidens. And NG is boring with top gems

Any tips for Laurence? I feel it's better to dodge without locking on but I'm still getting my shit kicked in.

>>123352853
Crash through the window that leads to Ebrietas in the base game. Go down to the altar below.

At least it sounds like you haven't killed Laurence.

>>123352964
Like I said, Dungeons.

Especially now with 1.07 and unified fixed dungeons.

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>>123352943

>>123352959
Coolio

>>123352853
Havent gotten there yet but if you get the hidden item underneath the surgery elevator that takes you up to the research hall, go back to flaming cleric in cathedral ward

>>123352857
arcane builds are always suboptimal damage (in PvP) because they get compensated with Tools. that's kind of why Kos Parasite is so good, it's just a balls-to-the-walls great weapon for arcane

in PvE "everything is viable" but Arcane is actually really OP after the initial bumpy start, due to elemental weakness. if you treat HMB as an elemental arcane weapon that can hit for 1000 elemental damage it is pretty good

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>>123352969
Use lock on on his middle. Dash right

>>123352959
50/50 is optimal, but you're going to be a little low on health if you run that
I'd suggest also getting 50 vit
you'll also want to swing your weapon a lot after investing so much damage into it, so maybe also getting 40 end is smart, too
actually, skl scaling will also help so an even more optimal build would also involve you getting 50 skl, too

and why not throw in 50 bt after all that?

>>123353030
i'll go with what you said. you ain't gonna spam beams and shit in pve/pvp.

>>123353019
>Dungeons.
I don't wanna spent all my time in ugly horrible dungeons.

>>123352953
>hat's just the DLC talking, you've gotten good at the game, and the DLC comes out and turns you into a little bitch and you decide the game is shit,

Wrong!

I still like the game and the dlc bump the game up to a 9.5 from a 7.5 easily,but these bosses are over the top.
Ludwig has no cool down on any of his attacks and that dumb and unnecessary as fuck.

Only reason i get him to his second phase is cause i summon npc phantoms to distract him.

1v1 ludwig is damn near impossible unless you have an insanely powerful weapon with the correct gem combos.
Im using a plus 10 axe with a max damage of 460 and im still having issues with him

>>123351967
Why does he look so old when he's a newborn ?

>>123353183
literally get good lmao

>>123353183
Anon i beat both orphan and ludwig on my first try on a 98 skill build on NG+
Time to get good

>>123353183
>Wrong!
WRONG!
See? I can be a prick too.

tl;dr your whiny shit.

>>123353214
Babies can be pretty wrinkly when they're born. He's probably been stewing in there a while too. All that salt and afterbirth can't be good for the skin.

>>123353113
beams have no place in pvp but of course you're gonna spam beams in pve, it's like the easiest way to kill laurence i can think of

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>you will never hold hands with kos

how did she die?

>>123352583
As someone who is better than you at das2, "just walk left" is basically half the fucking game. Did you think it was harder than that for some reason?

>>123353234
>being proud beating a boss first try overleveled.

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I'm glad its over

>>123352930
A dead alien globster that gave birth to a hyperactive winged manchild.

>>123353276
She washed up on the coast and probably suffocated.

>>123353234
What have i told you fags about posting shit without proff.
>>123353247
ABLUH BLU BLU BLU WAHHHHHH

Anon stop whining at me you fucking autist

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I found a dude thats banging his head on a wall talking about the sound of water

What does he do?

>>123353039
What flaming cleric?

>>123353361
apparently he bangs his head on the wall and talks about the sound of water

>>123353349
Ludwig- https://youtu.be/DJ2bZgCeGyE
Orphan- https://youtu.be/GOxqWNcdw8M

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>>123353271

>Beams have no place in pvp

>>123353349
Not either of them, but fuck off retard

>>123352943
>souls like

not it'll be the last DS game

Orphan of Kos is really close to being a top-tier fight but it's ruined by some bits of bullshit.

I've noticed multiple times where he'll cancel stagger immediately into another attack which can be impossible to avoid. A couple of attacks have really really shitty hitboxes too and track way too hard, enough that if he uses that attack when you're close you're gonna get hit regardless.

>>123353413
i mean if you do it i consider you a personal hero

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>ahh, you were at my side all along
>my true mentor
>my guiding moonlight

The Ludwig fight is amazing

I can't fucking beat him, though. I may have died almost 30 times by now

>>123353403
yeah but am I supposed to kill him?

Does anybody have a pic of the OH updated voice actors cast from the credits ?

>>123353479
the change of music and how he changes his name is amazing. best boss of the game for me.

>>123353480
get some cool armor but with really shit stats

All in all I'd give the dlc around an 8/10 score. The bosses all together would not have been as hard as those god damn double deep ones in the well protecting Maria's sword.

>>123353479
Hit the head and chest.

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>>123351196
DnD guy here

you still around, anon?

>>123353446
He does have very good tracking. The one I've most noticed it on is his overhead slam. I've found that sticking to his arse generally works pretty well.

>>123353412
now prove you didn't just savescum to make it seem like it was your first attempt

>successfully avoided the internet until I beat TOH with no spoilers
Pleasantly surprised! Not only was the dlc great, the whirlysaw was actually awesome.

>>123353578
Fuck off retard

NG+
Level 140

The DLC is pretty good so far, but the difficulty is all over the place. The normal enemies are piss easy. The hunter guys with the chain-whip-sword are decent to fight...about 6 hits to kill.

But then the "special" hunters take well over 50 hits. The fucker that's half werewolf with the dual claws took forever to die, and the guy with the gatling gun had over 5000 HP.

what the hell is up with the fight in the grand cathedral for the crow lady quest? that hunter is harder than any boss I've fought.

>>123353610
>5000 HP
>took over 50 hits
anon show us your build and your weapon

>>123353551
Still here

Just a bit longer anon

>>123353631
Just parry him and dodge when he dodges.

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So she couldn't hear our prayers after all?

>>123353578
Maybe if you spent less time sucking cock and more time on bloodborne you might actually get good enough at the game to clear the DLC

Should I go Lost Parasite for arc wizard? Or is normal kos parasite better?

Blacksky eye is pretty cute but not very strong.

If it had good tracking holy shit would it be nice for PvP, but for now it's just a slower bullet.

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this look about right?

>tfw you beat someone in full beast mode with vanilla beast claw
I've been using claws before you were in diapers, don't go walking on my turf bitch.

>>123353662
I'm laying in bed. I'm using Ludwig's sword with ~500 attack. Probably about 40 strength. The numbers might be slightly exaggerated but they definitely lasted longer than usual. And, again, I'm NG+

>>123353606
>>123353683
>this easy

>>123353684
uncanny, actually. you want radial-radial-triangle

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>ng+7 micolash post-1.07

>>123353704
I'd drop vit to 30, endurance to 15, up skill to 50, and probably leave bloodtinge at 30 or go down to 25. Not sure where that leaves you level-wise though.

>>123353752
Fuck off retard

>>123353769
What? What they did to him after the patch?

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>>123353790
>30 VIT

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On one hand I want to go NG+ to refight all the bosses with my completed build on the other I'm quite content sitting in NG.

Bloodborne: best PVE that From ever made. Worst PVP.

Can amygdalan arm be used for a pure arcane build or is it split damage?

>>123353823
Why do you think you need more?

>>123353704
i'd drop tinge to 25 and shave a few points to get SKL to 40. i wouldn't drop vit below 40, though

so what did they do to chalices?

>>123353809
Augur is way nastier after the patch mainly

>>123353809
You know how they buffed the shit out of Arcane? Micolash does.

>>123353823
>>123353850
>I don't need vit, I can just rely on my anime quicksteps

Fucking hate how I'm free on weekdays and cant find co operators
fucking laurence man.

So if I understood the plot right:


The ancient civilizations of Loran and Pthumeru worship and have great knowledge of the Great Ones. Loran ends consumed by its own plague of beasts, while the queen of Pthumeru, Yharman, bears the stillborn Mergo by Formless Odeon


Modern Yharman city discovers the ruins of Pthumeru learns of the existence of the Great Ones. Byrgenwerth is founded in order to achieve their knowledge and hopefully ascend to their level

Meanwhile on a fishing village nearby, the dead body of Kos washes ashore, carrying unknown parasites and unknown to others, her Orphan

The townsfolk are changed by Kos’s parasites, and somewhere after this the Orphan grants eyes to Rom, even though people think Kos did it

Byrgenwerth hears of this and begins performing horrific experiments on Kos and the fisherfolk. Enraged, the Orphan draws the village into the Nightmare and curses Byrgenwerth and its followers with vermin, thus the seeds of beasthood

Rom divides Yharman from the Nightmare, preventing Byrgenwerth from reaching “Kos” again. They must seek a new way of achieving insight

The “holy medium”, most likely Ebrietas, causes a schism as everyone has their own idea to get to the level of Great Ones

Lawrence forms the Healing Church, which uses Ebrietas and her Old Blood. This seems to be around the time blood ministration has become a massive thing in Yharman

Mensis undergoes experiments to summon a Great One, perhaps Kos, or maybe even become a Great One themselves. In the process they attract Mergo and it ruins their minds

>>123353850
30 VIT is a pathetic amount of HP.

Getting summoned for Maria and gangbanging her with the host and another phantom feels wrong.

>>123353690
Where did you find it? I think I ttoally missed it.

>>123353850
in pve it's defensible but in pvp it's irrational, and i mean that in the formal sense of the word. to justify it you have to make asymmetric assumptions about yourself and your opponent

On a scale from 3 to 11, how retarded is my build? I'm just about to go to fight the last boss I assume.

Vit 30
End 15
Str 25
Skl 25
Blt 18
Arc 15

>>123353835
>Worst PVP.
I'd just like to be able to invade outside of mensis without fighting a memehat ganksquad with chalice gems. Bell maiden system a shit

>>123353665
he almost one shots me with his gun. actually one shot if he attacks.

>>123353890
In an attempt to control this chaos the Healing Church funds the Hunters. Gherman, the first of them all, makes a pact with the Moon Presence in order to give them a fighting chance against the beasts

Maria, one of Gherman’s disciples and possibly lover, learns the truth about what led all this shit to happen to begin with, can’t bear with it and kills herself. In her death she becomes the host of the Hunter’s Nightmare and protector of “Kos” and the poor wretches still in the village

By Maria’s will, all those hunters that become mad with blood (nearly all of them) are whisked away to the Hunter’s Nightmare and trapped in an endless hunt
In desperation, the Church starts rallying the Yharmanites themselves to fight the beasts, but that only results in the Scourge spreading faster.

Yharman is done for

When you step in the story proper, you’re finally putting an end to this madness by making mincemeat out of all parties involved, and in the process becoming a Great One yourself

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>>123353879
Oh god

>>123353536
That doesn't help me. My issue is that I can't time his attacks for the life of me. Seriously, I just really can't do it.

I know hitting his chest enough times temporarily stuns him. I just can't dodge any of his attacks.

>>123353913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN00AvdVftI

>>123353834
Back up your save and give NG+ a whirl when you're bored and want a challenge.

>>123353835
Dark Souls 2 PvP is trash.

At least Bloodborne PvP has nice movement and pace and is unique to the others.

Since I hate Dark Souls 2, and don't really feel like going back to Dark Souls 1 where people are ridiculously good now, I pretty much main Bloodborne atm for my Souls PvP fix.

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>>123353958
:^)

>>123353975
Auger is now almost always a one-hit kill. Call Beyond does so much damage it actually kills you again when you respawn at the lamp.

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Do any of the new DLC weapons seriously out-shine what we've seen in the core game?

Gonna be making a new character and I wanna get the most out of the DLC.

>>123353970
You're decent at interpreting it, but you're missing some key points, such as how great ones manifest and are perceived differently depending where in the dream they appear, and the fact that yharnam is the dream itself.

>>123354063
Dark Souls 2 has the best PvP.

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>>123353879
You can't crash the 'lash!

>>123354089
Honestly they all seem awesome so far. Sawblade is god tier, I can speak from personal experience on that.

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>>123354063
>Dark Souls 2 PVP is trash

>>123354143
Yeah? And?

It's a complete fucking mess.

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>finally get co op summon
>dies to a old hunter

>>123354089
the DLC weapons are fucking great to be honest. like, very pleasantly surprising

i think everyone's favorite is the whirligig saw, which is fucking awesome, but other good ones include the saif (surprisingly), the church pick, even the fucking bow is pretty cool, and of course the Parasite

>>123354089
I am a huge supporter of the whirligig saw. That shit tears up all pve content.

>>123354063
Das2 has my personal favorite PvP. I play it longer when I play it, as opposed to bb or des. Das1 is right out.

>>123353986
Also, there wouldn't be some kind of shortcut to Ludwig, right?

>>123353890
Why do you think Kos can't have granted Rom eyes? Or that she already had the Orphan when she washed ashore? Surely not because she's just dead, right?

>>123354089
PvE: everything except possibly kin mode since using it capably requires endgame stuff
PvP: saif, church pike

>>123353276
global warming

>>123353881
It isn't even that. The vast amount of people I invade (largely at Mergo's Loft: Middle) aren't using top-tier gems and I usually have the 10% rune on. The only time I encounter trouble in pvp is in our own FC because the various wheels and Chikage unzips that I accidentally dodge into.

>>123353905
>>123353930
I haven't had anywhere near the amount of trouble that you guys seem to think I'm having with keeping all of my characters at 30 vit. Like yeah, if someone's using top-tier gems I'll probably go down in four or five hits. But hardly anyone that I've encountered does, aside from the people in the FC. The diminishing returns just make going above 30 vit and maybe a health rune seem like a waste to me, especially when those points could just go into bringing an attack stat to 50 for a weapon with S in scaling.

>>123354140
>>123354216
>>123354228
Sounds like I'm doing a strength playthrough, then.

I haven't done the chalice dungeons completely yet so if that thing apparently tears ass in PvE, sounds like that'll be my go-to.

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>>123354089
Depends. Do you like blue?

As an arc character, do I have any content to look forward to besides the Blacksky Eye? I was pleasantly pleased to see the saw had decent arcane scaling, but I havn't found any other tools or anything.

>>123353993
Wait what the fuck how did he get up there

>>123354258
The lamp literally meters from his door? Turn right after the executioner beast with the church cannon and walk up the steps instead of going by the witch.

>>123354069
lol, my gun does 10 damage.

I'll come back later then.

>>123354089
oh also if it affects your decision it's possible to get the following weapons as soon as you kill amelia by running around like a fucking nut in the first DLC area. from easiest to hardest:
the heavy whip
the fire hammer
the saif
the whirligig saw
amygdala arm

>>123354302
How much damage are you doing with the parasite?

>>123353835
>Worst PVP
>BB
BB has best pvp. Just remove 27% gems

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>>123354302

>>123354089
I'm in love with the bowblade.

>>123354304
ayylium mode and a noodle weapon. Also one more tool but I forget what it is.

>>123354258
There's a lantern like 10 feet from him.

>>123351305
Laurence is great, but it's painful to fight him because nigga is such a horrible state and just wanted his memories back.
When his legs are blow off i really felt sorry for killing him, probably won't fight him on any build that does not need beast mode.

>>123354338
Damage doesn't have any effect on whether or not you parry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzUSTwSkaA

So uuuuuh, am I retarded, what am I doing wrong with my life.
This fight took less than a minute on ng+7.
Literally what the fuck.
Do I just need to git gud or what?
How in the fucks name.
I do like 300 damage a hit and it doesn't even scratch his HP bar on ng++, and it takes me well more than 10 minutes to even get to second phase where I burn though all 25 vials and end up dying.
Help.

>>123354302
>invading mensis with my arcane monstrosity
Oh god this is fun. I have 50 ARC and 3x ARC%+Flat ARCS on a +10 uncanny parasite, everything is dying

>>123354263
I thought that this could've been a case like Mergo, but Mergo is very obviously still alive despite being stillborn, while Kos never seems to do anything but be a corpse

Can someone explain how to get the new transformations?
Also where to kill the last red beast npc guy?

>>123354228
Dark Souls 2 PvP is incredibly shallow compared to Dark Souls 1.

>>123354276
>hardly anyone that I've encountered does

Most people have top tier gems or at least Mensis gems in Frontier and Mergo's Middle.

>>123354383
nah. youre not supposed to fight something that kills you in one hit.

>>123354437
I wish I had really good gems.

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>>123351182
Did people not like Living Failures? I kind of dug that boss, if only for reminding me of Metal Slug

>>123354386
That guy's build is specialized in high visceral damage. Unless yours isn't, you just need to learn his attacks and dodge.

>>123354386
Is it really that easy to get viscerals?

>>123354386
Very high level character with visceral attack up runes (and possibly bonus damage to kin gems? not sure if those apply through viscerals)

>>123354460
I won't argue that. I just don't like the playerbase and common tactics, or the animations.

>>123354449
Meego is trying to break into the dream, he is not able to manifest and you prevent his best chance when you kill the wet nurse. You are dancing to the moon presence's will almost the whole game, under gehrman's instruction.

>>123352656

I answered my own question, the enemies in the DLC all drop good gems so just go for it. I just opened the first gate and I'm rocking 3 +10% gems.

>>123354460
Mensis gems aren't top-tier. I assume most of the people I fight have them and they don't pose any particular threat as long as I'm not sucking.

>>123354460
Wat

DaS PVP consisted of lagstabbing and lightning Zweihanders

DaS2 made magic viable and was much more balanced

>>123354276
even if you cut gems from the equation, i.e. assume identical gear, there's a simple question of whether 31+ VIT decreases your opponent's effective damage (i.e. as a % of your health) more than 25+ in an attack stat increases your effective damage. for most builds this is overhelmingly true, which means that if both players are hitting each other with equal probability then the player with more VIT will win more often

if you're basing your VIT off what you "feel you need to survive" then you're probably internalizing the simple reality that most of the people you fight are worse than you, and can't kill you as effectively as you can kill them. at the most extreme, if they never hit you at all VIT is worthless. but optimizing for killing players who are worse than you is very different than optimizing for killing players of similar skill

>>123354461
boost your vit retard

>>123354484

They're cool, but they don't really develop during the fight like the other bosses do except for the "please hit us" meteor shard attack.

>>123354304
there's another tool that's much better than blackskye eye

there are a number of very fun weapons with low stat requirements to turn into arcane weapons

there is a pure arcane weapon exclusive to arcane builds, that can cast a new spell for just 2 bullets

>>123354554
they made it look easy

>>123354662
learn how to communicate with other people.

hth.

>>123354705
He just sidestops behind it, hits it once, and it keels over for an easy visceral.

How does that even work that easily?

>>123354582
Most people I fight nowadays in Mergo's have optimized builds and gems. This isn't month 1 anymore, the people who stuck around are serious.

>>123354602
Dark Souls 1 has idle poise and phantom poise damage, creating tons of punish opportunities, so you have to think about how you approach. Outside of this basic part of how combat works, you have toggling, and the whole 0 frame backstab system. In this system there is BS cancel, roll BS, run BS, parry BS override to time the punish easily, and the advanced BS escape. Then there is chaining, and the whole rock paper scissors system that comes with it, from standing still to avoid the chain, rolling in the right direction to escape, or parrying the chain attempt. Dark Souls 2 has....sticky backstabs I guess? There isn't much else. Dark Souls 2 movement also feels like puke, like Drangelic is permanently slicked down with oil and your character is locked into a direction every time you swing.

Magic also is viable in Dark Souls 1, ever heard of desync HCSM+Dark Bead or TWoP WoG?

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>TFW YOU BEAT LAURENCE WITH SPAMMING EVELYN LIKE A MAD FUCKING DOG WITH 10 HP AND NO VIALS LEFT AS HE CRAWLS TOWARDS YOU

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