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An actual, catalog-friendly, /wowsg/ Admiral - edition.

>Latest Patch Notes:
http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/35033-051-patch-notes

>5.1 Dev bulletin
http://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/update-051-dev-bulletin/
>5.1.1 Hotfix
http://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/update-0511-downtime/

>Useful Information:
http://pastebin.com/nuWhcW1K (POI)

>In-game chat channel
EU Channel: "Official /vg/ channel", password is "vidya"
NA Channel: Search for '/vg/' channel by Antibully ranger
SEA: /vg/

NA: [KUMA]: http://na.wargaming.net/clans/1000021519/

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>>122449175
Now this is the right kind of admiral
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>>122449175
Sleep tight Cadets

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1hZeEFEwpgV
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>>122449891
Jesus that's pretty disturbing. Where did you get that from?
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5th for AA
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>>122450107
>1,274 feet...
>1,274 feet......
>1,274 feet..........
>KKHFRRENK!
>shit shit that was a bulk head. Jesus christ I can hear the water. Was it 3 compartments head? 2?
>1,274 feet... We just have to stop before 1,274 feet
>that fucking torpedo hit us on the port forward section. We should have stayed afloat why are we sinking jesus fuck why are we sinking?
>KKKEREEEEEENK!!
>no... no no onon that was another compartment. That is another 2,344 gallons of water our ballastis gone we will not float up for God's sake where is the bottom? We just need to stay above 1,274 feet and a rescue craft can get me .
>We can make it we just need to stay above 1,27-KREENCHNK
>oh god oh god no please I don't want to die I don't want to die no no no please stop I want to live please st-
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>>122450427
Please stop. I was just about to go get some sleep.
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>>122450539
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19951207&slug=2156455

>Pearl Habor sailors trapped in sealed ship compartments
>rescuers could hard loud banging on the hull and tried to get through
>banging proceeded for 16 days until one day it stopped
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>I have played it more I actually prefer it. Battleships get to the use the main guns like Artillery in World of Tanks, Destroyers get Depth Charges to counter subs. Bascially every unit has a purpose unlike World of Warships where Cruisers just rule everything.
Is this true
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>>122450689
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>>122450427
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck
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>>122450768

Yes.
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>>122450832
Plastic bottles are her weakness? Why?
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>>122450768
BB's get more accurate. Subs are hilariously OP. Ships maneuver and stop like racing cars and

It does some things better than WoWS, namely more content and modes, but some other stuff worse than WoWS, like visual quality and ship handling.
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>Gnevny torp upgrade
>+1 to torp speed, nothing else

This is a joke, right?
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>>122451003
She has to drink all of them,
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So are jap CV still OP or not?
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>>122450689
I didn't need this
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>>122352954
>only the most dedicated of autismos who play 14 hours per day with premium accounts will ever see tier 8 or even tier 10 for that matter
If you do one win daily in one line you would be at least t8 by now without premium.
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So are CVunts still considered the cancer of WoW or have people realized that cruisers shit on the hopes and dreams of carriers simply by existing.
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>>122451645
Via exp earned or credits? Because you will receive enough exp to go to the next tier but not enough credits to actually buy the ship. I had an additional 100,000 exp on my Myoko before I could just afford the Mogami.
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>>122451696
>cruisers
>shit on CVs
Do you play tier 4?
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>>122451906
>tier iv
>cruisers have no active AA active
>cruisers are just getting their first torpedo planes
>ships all around have shit AA

You make a very compelling point. They fucked up with very early tier CV vs. balance. Later on when a single cruiser can murder 10 planes and cause 2 of them to fire like drunk russians while protecting 4 other ships. The argument swings back.
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Got mail from WG with some premium code to get me to play wows, but it runs like dogshit so I'm not gonna do that. Any idea if the code is universally usable?
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>>122452056
Not a single cruiser in this game have better AA than battleships of equal tier.
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>>122451870
Xp.
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>>122452241
Active is more important then raw AA ability.
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>>122452741
No it isn't you giant baka. Is it that fucking hard to wait for cooldown?

>I want to click everything uncontestedly without putting any effort in abloo-bloo-bloo

They have already nerfed it to 2 charges per game for you manbaby.
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>>122453029
>good AA alone
>ok I lost 3 planes and cripple or sink a ship
>Active AA
>ok I lost 7 planes and MAYBE hit with 2 torps doing less then half damage on a cruiser while my planes fly back for 2 minutes before I can even send them out again

Point is CV's will avoid any target under active cruiser protection. Itis just never worth it.
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>28 hits
>8 citadel penetrations

I fucking love the Konigsberg, it just deletes cruisers below 8km
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>>122453165
CVnt please. Even Dank Memes doesn't get enough bonus damage from barrage to shoot down your planes like this. It still has less AA dps than even NoCar let alone Iowa and Montana.
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So i hear anu uninstalled?
I guess i kind of quit too.. with out even realizing it. It was a conversation with rapespammer that made me realize it i guess.

I just posted this topic in the ST forum. I wont tell you what it says, because the ST forum is under NDA :^)

Was fun guys. Honestly i have more of a reason to not quit wows that anyone else given my long history with, but even that cant keep my interest propped up forever...

I feel regretful, but also free.

The last game i ever played was a victory in zao with trump. That was a good note to end on i think.
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>>122454098
ST?
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>>122454098
You quit because anu isnt playing cv in wows anymore.

Hes playing cv in steel ocean anyway.
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>>122454098
rip in peace allahu akbar
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>>122450689
Why didn't they use a mechanical saw to break through?
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>>122452056
I'd argue that CV vs BB balance at 4 is fine, excluding the arkansas beta.

The Myogi when fully upgraded is deceptively fast, and has enough AA to rip apart tier 4 TB's
The Wyoming can just drift and deny all day unless two jap carriers coordinate strikes against it.

The tier 3's are sitting ducks though.
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>>122454813
i was going to quit soon, hearing anu quit just made me decide to go ahead and get it over with. If everyone's quitting ive no reason to drag it out.

>>122454768
stupertest

Its the only place worthy of my quitting post since the alpha forums are locked now and usergroup:members are all brs and tomatos so posting in the normal forum is out of the question.
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>>122450768
There are aspects I want to like, but the overall cheapness of it all and clusterfuck of a UI prevents me from doing so.
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>>122456237
Graphics can be improved though, but these are chinks we are talking about.
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>>122457373
It's not the graphics I have a problem with, it's the ship physics.
When battlestations pacific feels more authentic there's a problem. I just can't get into the game when it feels like RC cars.
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>>122450107
ughm? it's just some music and water gurgling?
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>>122450768
>World of Warships where Cruisers just rule everything
do we play the same world of warships
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>>122458279
That was why I questioned the statement
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>Kitakami being rewarded to EU server players who got to the end of ranked battles
>teamkilling increases amongst high tier battles overnight

This was a stupid idea, this ship should have never been put in the game. It's essentially designed for teamkilling, with 40 torpedoes ready to fire at any time.

These are supposed to be good players too, since they've completed all of ranked battles; imagine what a new player would do with this ship if they sold it in a bundle.
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>>122458484
>literally reposting a reddit screenshot from days ago
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Last match I was on my Nagamom, trying to defend the base in two brothers from several bb's and cruisers with a couple of teammates.

>friendly atago and NorCa get r3kt by an Izumo.
> Enemy destroyers + Izumo pushing and capping.
>Friendly fubuki on enemy base against another enemy bb spouting bullshit about us not defending our base.

Why does this shit happen to me?
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>>122458520
I was linked from the WoWS forums. I'm surprised how you knew that the image was from reddit, anon.
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>http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/36786-the-dwindling-amount-of-players-of-wows-time-for-statistics-graphs/

Should we be concerned, guys? The game isn't sucking in enough new players.

My guess is that WG seriously underestimated how important and popular the Royal Navy is, and how delaying the RN pissed off a lot of die hard fans.
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>>122458559
because it was said on the wows forum
anyway it's from days ago
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>A friendly reminder that Dogfighting Expert is broken and tier 10 planes cannot even win against tier 5 planes..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vOBvugZ3ThDGpfmcgYfRZFjP1CxvSAEaGMrbXhbBnbw/pubhtml

>Rusky logic determines that Wright's first plane with a pistol can beat a Sukhoi
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>>122458680
>people are still whining about DDs

I thought Jingles already told them off time and time again?
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>>122458680
Proportionally EU has the problem.
RU and NA differences in peak launch to current are fairly minimal in comparison. Especially when you consider nominal attrition rates.

The delay of the RN is about .01% of the problem. People are sick of WG's incompetence in managing the game and it shows. Then people hear the game is being terribly mismanaged by word of mouth and don't even give it a chance.
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Struggling with the Aoba at the moment. What are the best upgrades for 4 slots that it has?
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>>122459109
Aoba is a gunboat, put gun and rudder related upgrades on it.
However Aoba doesn't even need upgrades to perform, likely you're just not playing her properly.
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>>122459160

Main Turret 1, Rudder Mod 2, AA Defense Mod 2, Engine Mod 1 is what I use.
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>>122459160

What are the gun upgrades? Accuracy or Traverse?
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>>122459221
I use neither.

Aoba's guns are accurate enough. Traverse speed also worsens your rate of fire if you noticed.
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>>122459210
Don't bother with AA defense mods on japanese cruisers. You're not an AA bote, you're a gunbote.
Gun mod1, fire control mod 1, steering gear mods. However she really doesn't need any of these to perform well.
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>>122459426
Worked for me though, Aoba's AA rating got significantly boosted to 45 rating, could be better if I get BFT and AFT but I picked Awareness and Demolition Expert instead.

Cleveland got the other two and has a rating of 58.
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>>122459552
AA rating is a placebo for the most part.

How are you playing Aoba? Are you trying to put your rear turret on target at all?
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>>122459610
If I'm against DDs.

Attempting to show my rear turret versus a BB with its guns pointing at me usually can and will get me deleted in less than a minute.
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>>122459772
Don't do it against cruisers either, and even be careful against Russian DD's as they can citpen you with AP fairly reliably if they get your flat side.

When I went through Aoba I just stuck with battleship groups that actually pushed the enemy, and made enemy battleships remember tsushima in between shooting cruisers and DD's. Don't forget your torpedoes either.
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>>122459941
since they have just 130mm guns, the chances are ru dd will simply hurl he shells anyway
at any rate, does the penetration ability of the usn 127mm dd guns differ from ru dd 130mm that much?
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>>122459109
Aoba requires you to angle yourself, A LOT. NEVER broadside ANYTHING in the Aoba unless you know it's not going to fire at you. You have a massive, lightly armoured citadel, but luckily it's not as bad as it was pre-patch 5.1. I've bounced countless BB shells in IJN cruisers via angling.

Always keep enemies on one side of the ship or keep terrain between you and the enemies on the opposite side of your turrets.

Your guns are amazing, 10km and under and they become railguns and absolutely deletes cruisers via multiple, delicious citadel penetrations with AP. Otherwise their HE does amazing damage, DDs to become incapacitated and then rapidly explode, and BBs and other CAs to be perpetually on fire. Remember to grab the tier 4 +3% fire skill for your captain. They also have amazing accuracy. I don't have 40% main battery accuracy for nothing.

You should have learned all this in the Fruity Taco which is an equally good ship which just got better when they buffed it. IJN cruisers become mini-BBs at tier 5 and up, play them like one.

Mods I throw on are Main Battery 1 (don't want to lose one of your precious 3 turrets), Gun fire control (for even more accuracy), Steering (Aoba has an uncanny knack for getting it's rudder blown), and the Rudder mod (to angle faster and avoid torps better).
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>>122459941
Against lower-tier CLs and Clevelands are kinda okay, they have a lower chance of penetrating Aoba. I am aware of Gnevy and above DDs having that power. I kept saying that soviet DDs can and wreck cruisers (Khabarovsk can wreck a whole field of baBBies that doesn't have a carrier camping Khaba with a durable squadron)
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>>122460134
Not the good ones.
The good ones know when to switch shell types.
Russian DD guns also have a flatter shell trajectory.
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>>122460134
Khabarovsk can penetrate Zao's hull. Soviet DDs are pure gunboats.
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>>122459610
>>122460137
>>122460176
Not much, I usually use the two front cannons.

The traverse is kinda bad too.

I've chosen Main Battery 1, Gun Mod 1, and Rudder speed. I haven't decided yet on the 3rd module.

Thanks!
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>>122458484
>These are supposed to be good players too, since they've completed all of ranked battles
But winning in ranked battles wasn't about skil, anon.

It was about randommly getting into the less retarded team more orften in a row.
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Myoko Or Mogami?
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>>122461913
Mogami is objectively better, though.
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>>122461913
Why not both?
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>>122449932
If only she hadnt such shit guns.
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>>122450427
>>122449891
I thought sub would instantly implode if hull was compromised under extreme pressure
No slowly leaky water
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>>122461913
Mogami is an upgraded Myoko
Faster turret turn
Better turret layout
Quad tube torps
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Will WG ever fix the caps on the names or will it be permanent?
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>>122460134
You can pen CA with DD gun at very close range and enemy turn full broadside for you
But you can just torp them anyway
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SO
Should I quit to SO if I started to play WoWS like 2 weeks ago?

I like that they added submarines to increase usefulness of DDs.
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>>122465451
Try it out to see if you like it. Some people don't like how the game plays.
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>>122465627
Normally I would do that but since it's another f2p grindy multi game I will go through hours to only end up disliking it or accepting it.
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>>122465451
so is shit
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>>122465451
Install Battlestation Pacific and enjoy a better game
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>>122465819
I already did years ago
multi is dead right?
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>>122465749
You will know in about 10 minutes if you don't like how botes control.
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>>122465865
Probably
I only play SP mode
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this mission brought an influx of extremely shitty cvnts
really, i never ever have seen before a non-dc alive independence at the very bottom of the score table

>>122465898
implying it's the only problem

here is a nice review on the twitter, written by some chink so the grammar is even worse than mine (: but it highlights what's wrong with that game

http://steamcommunity.com/id/Tarlafic/recommended/390670/

>Some of the reviews said that, this game is a copy of world of warships.
>Accurately, it's really not a copy of world of warships. It's a copy of world of tanks!!!
>The gameplay of this game is very terrible, and doesn't feel like of driving a naval ship.
>For example, the control of ship is very agile, make it possible, and ingame you will often, do a flank attack. This shouldn't, and couldn't be happened in the real naval battles.
>And, the weapon control is also strange. They directly copy the artillery control from WOT, so you could imagine that, about 10 or more players, just stop their ship in the battle fields, to wait their weapon aiming.

>The worst thing of this game is, it have a super pay2win mechanism . There's many commanders in the game, many of them have average abilities, but some of them are kinda too OP.
>And, how to get these commanders? Buy it? No!
>You could only get the commanders, by a random draw system like Gacha (or capsule?) from japanese mobile card game. If you want to get the powerful commanders, you need to pay really really much.

>I'm not a fan of wargaming series, but for me, this game is even worse than world of warships, at least WOWS could make you feel like you are playing a naval game, not a commanders collection game with tanks drving on the water.
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>>122465451
Steel Ocean has more ships, submarines and night battles. But It looks like shit and the ships handle like RC cars. Also, the spotting system is even more hilarious than in WoWS, so fights end up starting at 5 or less km away. P2W crew and consumables make WG ALMOST look good (if it wasn't for the credit jewing after T8 in WoWS). I don't know how grindy or P2W the grind itself is at higher tiers tho.

I'd rather keep playing WoWS, or otherwise stop playing the genre entirely since there are no good alternatives.
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>>122466527
The crews yes, but you don't even need prem consumables.
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>>122466243
I could overlook a lot about the game if I could get over the water tank controls. I just can't though. Botes will actually apply throttle automatically to turn if you're idle when you apply rudder. That's how precisely they ripped tanks.
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someone asked why a few people played aircraft carrier. well I'm struggling with my shitty hosho with a shitty commander against level max air craft carrier who 1v3 all my squadron with just one squadron. and every game is like this. i'm getting 200-500xp per game no joking

holy shit every game is like this
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>3 fires on my bb from soviet noobbotes.
>fleeing from them
>Use repair consumable
>hit in the engine, cannot flee anymore.
> 3 fires at once, again.
>die.


I fucking hate low caliber HE spam.
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>>122469452
yeah, your bb should be invulnerable except from other bb, right, babbie?
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>>122466825
>the water tank controls
So much this.

If tehy would just change this so the ships would stop feeling like RC carrs, the game might actually be good.
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>>122469452
I love the sound of flamed BB
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Which module upgrade should I buy for my Fubuki, the concealment upgrade, or enemy detectability upgrade? Which will help me more against other DDs?
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>>122469708


If it's one or two fires, i don't care, it's okay.

But this shit is too much, really. 3 fires at once, and twice.

I fucking prefer to be sunk by a barrage of torpedoes than by fucking lowskill aim HE spam fest.
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>>122470630
Concealment
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>>122470630
Will it help you more if they can't see you, or will it help you more to have increased draw distance against enemies that you cannot see?

PROTIP: The increased draw distance module is completely useless, the only two ships in the game that maybe sometimes potentially may have any use for it are the kagero and Shimakaze, because they have a draw distance of 18km, but thier torps can have to 20km range.

And even on those ships, you are better off taking the reduced detection range.
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>>122470997
>kagero
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>>122470997
>The increased draw distance module is completely useless
So theres no reason to spend money on either of the last module upgrade for BBs? Cause concealment sure as hell wont do my Montana any good either.
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What ships are the best at grinding credits?
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>>122471138
What's the point of seeing further than 30km when ships pop up only at their detection range?
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>tfw everything just feels futile when you know you'll never reach tier 9 or 10 anyway
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>>122471258
I never was sure how it worked. Always guessed it basically increased all enemies concealment range for you.
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>>122471475
If only, anon, if only.
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>>122471258
Wait I thought it let you detect enemy outside of their normal conceal range
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>>122471823
>he didn't test it out in the CBT
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>>122471906
So I was tricked
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>>122470630
you can buy a concealment *anything* on a dd and you even ask?
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>>122464586
Each compartment is water tight and the sailors are trained to close them off during combat. So if there is a hull breach it may be contained to only a part of the ship. So 3-4 rooms may flood but the vessel overall remains unflooded.

Issue arises when too many compartments flood and the vessel loses buoyancy and sinks. At that point one of two things will happen.

You go so deep the pressure causes the bulkheads to fail and room by room each compartment's door fail and are flooded. Meaning a slow and knowing death as you hear each room ahead of you flood under the weight of the ocean and you know yours in 4th in line.

OR

You settle on the bottom not deep enough to crack the pressure hatches. In which case unless you got a rescue sub in the area and they know exactly where you are. You sit in the darkness for days or weeks until you suffocate or starve or freeze to death.
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>>122471446
Why?
There is no rush.

It's not a race to t10.
t8 is more fun than t9 most of the time.

There is no reason to be upset or sad.
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>>122472023
It appears that your capital has indeed been used by the revolutionary workers and peasants to further your own downfall, reactionary imperialist.
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>>122472058
if the acquisition range upgrade worked the way I thought it did, to raise everyones concealment range, I think it would be better in some cases.
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>>122472072
Oh, right. Sub are build strongly for that after all.
I thought it gonna implode like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM
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Ok this is getting fucking annoying. Sometimes after I pop smoke, even when I slow down to 1/4th speed, people sometimes still detect me even if I do nothing. What exactly is the range people can still detect you within smoke? I thought it was something really close like 3km, but a cruiser just caught me 5km away.
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>>122472527

sonar i guess

also without sonar it's 2 km
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>>122472527
Do they detect you, or just shoot you?
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>>122472527
Sona made in germany can detect you at 5km bubble no matter what's in the way
Or you didn't close you AA gun and shoot at aircraft in smoke
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>>122472919
Shooting at aircraft in smoke won't get you seen. Already been tested in the training room.
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>>122473002
Oops
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>>122472919
>>122472892
Oh so sonar works even in smoke? God damnit.
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>>122473086
Sonar is WG's counter to smoke and torps.
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>>122473114
If it was as passive ability it might actually work that way.

As it is, sonar is a shitty stopgap piece of shit skill noone wants and everyone hates because it feels like they only put it there to keep you from getting barrage earlier.
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>>122472504
It would if you were at crush depth but if you just get holed and start to sink. The individual room hatches will fail long before the sub reaches a depth that the entire hull caves in all at once.
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>>122473469
I never said it was a good solution.
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What do you guys think of mighty jingles?
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>>122473469
>If it was as passive ability
you want way too much
the more so they limited sonar to 2 charges since it's already strong
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Personally, I heavily considered using Sonar in my Cleveland, especially in the current meta where there isn't too many carriers. The new sonar massively increased the torpedo detection range, not just bypassing smoke.
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>>122473821
Even funnier because torp detection bypass smoke, so if those DDs ever launch from inside smoke, you most probably know where they are.
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>>122473821
Only KM boats are worth equipping sona on
They had 4.9km range instead of 3.something range
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>>122473606
Do you really have to ask in every thread, Jingles?
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>>122474023
Jingles comes in here? Like legit with a trip or just joking?
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is there a skill which increases the range of sonar, because fucking koenigsbergs feel like they have 5.5 range on it or so
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>>122474060
No. But every thread someone asks what do we think about Jingles.
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>>122474079
Germans have increased sonar range.
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>>122474463
...well?
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anybody on SO in the tier 3-4 range?
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>>122474561
but it's still slightly less than 5km
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>>122474079
afaik no.
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>>122474079
certain commanders increase sonar range ( I believe I have one with +750,. But I'm in a match right now so can't be 100% certain how much it boosts it by.)
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>>122469210

There is a reason most of the high tier CV population quit. You just understood. Its simply not worth it.

Steel Ocean has much better CV mechanics
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>>122475647
>Steel Ocean has much better CV mechanics
And shit everything else. Not like a CVnt would care.

Which is why Anusmati is shilling for SO real hard.
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The way ships handle just kills SO. It's like playing WoWP after War Thunder.
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>>122473606

its so obvious when that dude isn't tracing seishin
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>>122476263
i cannot imagine planes worse than in warthunder
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>>122476382
Try playing WG planes.
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>>122476382
WT planes in arcade mode felt like a full-on 100% realistic simulator compared to WG'S WoWP.
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>>122472072
>1447648525183.jpg
Sauce pls.
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>>122476202

Not really.
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>>122474079
>>122475248
it is 750..

Although re-reading your post.. you probably meant WoWS in which case, I believe certain factions have stronger equipment than others? ("mah faction peculiarities!" German = sonar, America gets an extra barrage, etc.)
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Its so hard to find people to division with at Tier 8 or higher.
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>>122477602
WoWS NA?
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>>122478498
yeah
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>>122478905
Get on the /vg/ channel. I'm there.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98F-mg88M8

Just found this gem

kek'd pretty hard
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ded
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Why are you still here?
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>>122481702

I'm too busy leveling my commanders in chink ocean to shitpost here.
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>>122481861
Just to suffer?
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>>122481861
To end the enemy team.
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>>122481861
to git gud
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So new to the game. Been watching a lot of videos though. I am thinking of maining destroyers because they go fast and have a massive FUCK YOU torpedo attack if people are not paying attention.

So the Japanese have the best torpedoes and are the fastest and the Americans have better guns and turning, right?
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DEFENDERS OF PALESTINE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1cK_PuWjFM
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>>122483098
>Japanese
>fastest
no tovarish ))))))))))))))))
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>>122483035
Osea pls go
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>>122483375
So the American DD's are faster?

Which are better overall down the tech tree. I want to primarily be using my torpedoes and ducking in and out of fights to stay alive as long as possible. Not kamikaze broadsides.
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>>122483483
>So the American DD's are faster?
no )))))))))
>stay alive as long as possible
You're playing the wrong ship class for that
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>>122483483
>I want to primarily be using my torpedoes and ducking in and out of fights

japanese destroyers for you, then. USN DDs don't have torpedo ranges beyond spotting range until tier 7, whereas IJN have them from tier 2. Russians never have torp ranges much longer than suicide range until tier 9 or 10 with a camo'd out ship
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>>122461913
>no range
vs.
>range

What's more important in a boat made of paper?
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>>122484208
forgot to add: IJN destroyers are faster than USN, but the russkies are the real speedbotes of the game. ~43kt top speed from tier 7 onward, and ~38kt on tier 5 and 6
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Hotel: Literally, the QTest.
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>>122484758
That's some Fubuki-tier face.
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>>122484758
I disagree.
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>>122484758
She's a fat ship
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>>122485361
Fat in all the right places
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>>122485361
The healthiest.
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>>122484758

Am I the only one who sees Chaika.
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>>122485361
4u
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>>122485876
>mwee
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>>122486063
Musashi is fucken hot.
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Was hoping things would get better when I upgraded from Hatsuharu to Fubuki...

They really havent. Everybody easily evades torps if I shoot at my max range and I feel so slow and clunky when I need to fight close range.

Should I tough it out till I can get Shima, or start the US DD line?
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>>122486298
Don't even bother with USN DDs if you think Fubob is bad.
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>>122451003
She's a dog. The reflections scare her.
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>>122486270
Yes she is.
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>>122486298
I am nearly to Mut on live, but from even CBT I hated everything past Minekaze..

I attempted USN and it is hilarious change of pace! (From a stealthy ninja, to 'MURICA!!!' live knowing you'll die quazi-sucidal gunboat.)

But that was tier 3 and 4 USN.. :^)
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>>122486918
Er, to clarify.
That was just advice to the anon to at least try out USN.. He might have fun with them.
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>>122484208
Shame IJN DDs aren't equipped with the torpedos they actually had in real life, they'd be unbeatable.

I already wreck shit in Minekaze, and I'm just imagining what I could do with 10km torps.

Or what would happen if KTKM actually had her 20 (40)km long lances.
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>>122487649
>Or what would happen if KTKM actually had her 20 (40)km long lances.

Imagine this, but worse.
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>>122483375
Kebaberovsk is the fastest)))
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>>122487649
IJN cruisers with actual 20 km torps caused torretns of baBBie tears, because the cruisers could actually hurt the BBs.

And the retarded CVnts that liked to just park in a corner or on a beach also cried becasue they ate a torp whenever they got detected while being stuck on a rock or in the corner of the map.

Since WG wants retarded baBBies and CVnts to give them lots of shekels, they nerfed alll torps to lulzy 10km so the crusiers can't actually use their torps in teh intended way and have to use 'ambush' tactics or whatever they call their bullshit ideas.
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My advice to WG.

MAKE
BIGGER
MAPS
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>>122488852
no
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>>122488852
baBBy detected
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>>122489031
I want torps to have their real ranges. I want CVs to be allowed to fly more squadrons.

I want to sail my boat around in massive empty spaces. I want BBs to be able to roam free without everyone cowering behind islands.

But most of all, I want to sail my DD right past all the enemies and sink some moronic CV ;^)
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>>122489174
w-what about cruisers!
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>>122489174
>I want CV fighters to spot me at 100km range.
Okay, we get it.
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>>122489672
Fuck 'em
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>>122489768
Chairman Stahl pls go design games somewhere else.
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>mfw CVs
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>>122490198

Techno pls
;_;
You said that guy was giving you trouble, so I had to meme him to death.
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>>122490319
>trouble
maybe but you slaughtered entire team you kek
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Manly U-Boats or stupid but seemingly better overall Gook Subs?
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>>122491528
Why not both?
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>>122491835
I don't want to grind too many lines
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>>122491528
Jap subs were technically great, they were just wasted by appalling tactics that made no use of them whatsoever.
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>>122490505

Stop backing up into TBs.
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>>122492823
FUCK OFF
U
C
K

O
F
F
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>>122492925

How do you back up into TBs.
Seriously.
That took fucking effort
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Who else come everytime he hear the port music in SO? Man that guitar ...
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>>122492925
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>>122493089
>Play DD
>Be ASW focused
>See SS
>I'm gonna do my job
>I can drop one salvo, reverse quickly and drop another before he spots rest of the team
>I hope our CV gets their CA before he get-
>LEL RANDUM TORPS XD
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>40k damage in Furry Taco, defending bases and all the usual shit.
>450 exp

Fuck you WG
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>>122493789

Well the thing is. You didn't torpedo him and your depth charges were negligible.
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>>122493996
The thing is your torps weren't even close to him anyways
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>>122493968
>PvE
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>>122494045

I hit him with a torpedo.
Unlike you.
:^)
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>>122494157
Was PvP senpai, AI actually turns.
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>>122484609

>~38kt on tier 5 and 6
37 on t6, 38 on t5

ijn have the fastest dd till t7 though, it's minekaze
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So in SO, I just did some basic looking at stats.
The IJN CVs are so inferior to US CVs its funny as shit.
The tier 10 differences are just laughable.
Sure they are cheaper to research and buy., but holy fuck they are inferior in every single way to US CVs.
Considering I've seen nothing but IJN CVs today, I find it funny.
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>>122499516
So what would you rate the best tier Xs for each class? I would put the Super Yamato, the jap SS, the US CV and i've still to decide on cruisers
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>>122499812

That I cannot accurately answer honestly. Once I get Midway in SO, I'm probably gonna go up another line.
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>>122500145
You know which one
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>>122500691

I have a soft spot for the IJN DD botesluts.
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>>122501473
I feel you man
They have all kinds of soft spots
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I played this when if first came out. I got to my first battleship and couldn't really stand the repetitive combat, everything felt the same no matter what ship or ammo. Has it gotten any better?
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>>122502042
Nope.
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IJN DD's
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>>122502162
W-what if i shill out? Will the grind at least not feel so shitty?
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>>122501969
Is this 1000 yen per use?
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>>122502042
The first battleships are complete shit. Too slow and inaccurate to accomplish anything. The differences in lines generally become more pronounced the further you go up a tree. But DDs play radically different from the start and CVs turn the game into an RTS.
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>>122501969

Now that's a bote I could get behind.
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>>122502336
No. The game peaks at tier 5 and 6, after that everything goes downhill. And even at its best WoWS is pretty repetetive.
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>>122501969
Akiduki status: rekt beyond repair
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>>122499516
have some sperg anon
their bombers are good
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>>122502042

Haven't touched it since SO came out. Mostly due to the changes to how armor worked (where broadsides were nearly impenetrable. Though that seems to have been fixed.)
But also because those who I'd have played with swapped over.
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>>122503089

Well actually their bombers are worse. CV HP really doesn't matter considering that all CVs evaporate under enemy fire.
The Midway also has 1.6k more resilience compared to the Shinano for the lowered HP in comparison. It has its as resilient as the Des Moines Tier 9 cruiser.


Midway's planes are better in every category that matters.
The Scouts are tougher/faster/and see more and you can have more in your hangar deck.
The TBs are faster/tougher/stronger while being able to carry more.
The DBs are tougher/faster/stronger and against you get to have more in reserve.

Everything about the Midway to me points to it just being overall better. Thanks for posting the side by side. If you could do it for all the BBs and CAs you would please many anons here.
>>
tfw sometimes cant tell if people are talking about SO or WoWS
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>>122504146
the nip fighters are more accurate and have a higher dodge
the nip TBs do more damage, have a higher dodge, and lower arming range
the nip DBs have a higher accuracy

The US is better in a lot of ways, but accuracy and damage is really good.

I'll work on BBs later today. I am more of a DD guy.
>>
>root.PCW001_CrewCommon.Skills.FighterEfficiencyModifier.fightersEfficiencyCoefficient changed in second object (was 1.0, is 0.1)

dogfighting skill fix in 0.5.1.2, praise the lord
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>>122504146
also lol at 18 guns on the midway
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>>122502365
It's 1000 yen per battle
>>
I want to bring Akiducky and Teruducky to a fancy restaurant, order a bunch of delicious food, and not let them eat any. At the end of the meal, I will have the waiter clear all the leftovers and throw them out.

When they come back to their barracks, there will be a single can of sardines and two bowls of steamed barley for the two of them.
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>>122505843
You already posted that yesterday.
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>>122505928
I hope you look forward to it tomorrow, too!
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>>122505928
he still wants it today too :^)
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>>122502302
Ladylike
>>
I want to feed Akizuki a delicious, properly balanced and healthy diet for the rest of my life.
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>>122507561
I want to become a professional chef and feed the Hotels for the rest of my life. But they don't get to bring friends.
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>>122507561
>I want to feed Akizuki a delicious, properly balanced and healthy diet

the best sorts of fuel oil only!
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>>122507561
>>122507763
I'm going to marry Hotel. Our Akizuki daughteru will enjoy Hotel-quality delicious and balanced feasts every single day. I'll make both of them the happiest shipfus in the world.
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New sperg post
Nip BB good, but radio range is bad. Still having issues finding reasons to play as germany.
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Whats the best ships to grind credits with?
And is there any particular tasks I should focus on for gaining the most per match?
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>>122508397
Guess I'll take the other one then.
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>>122504518
It's hilarious that it took them this long to fix a decimal point.

I guess since SO released they figured they have to at least do some work.
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>>122510616
i suppose the guy who made the mistake didn't have heart to go to his superiors and admit it to be able to push the fix :^)
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>>122510423
I've called dibs earlier in the thread, you can take the rapist or something
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>>122511080
Acceptable.
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>>122503089
>>122504381

Sorry, went to go eat dinner.
Lets do some percentages.
Nip fighters are about 10 percent more accurate and have a 1/3 dodge chance against equal tier fighters US fighters?
Need to know how mechanics work.
While at the same time they have about 78 percent of the HP of US fighters.
From my experience in SO, fighters really aren't that useful at all at negating a attack unless they intercept at a long enough distance away. Then again this may change at higher tiers. At tier 6 I rarely ever use fighters.

IJN TBs have about 77 percent of the HP of US TBs while having only 8 percent more effective torpedos and still being slower. The safe range in game is only 4.5 percent better.

IJN DBs have about 77 percent the HP of US DBs while only being about 9.5 percent more accurate.

Keep in mind this is approximation and napkin math that is very rough.
What we don't know is how effective AA is at higher tiers or how fighter mechanics really work.
From my standpoints, the few things that IJN beats the USA at are simply not worth it compared to what they have to trade off in comparison.


>>122508656

Thanks for the comparison.
Well the only thing the German BB has going for it are penetration with it's main guns. USA is middle of the road again apparently. I wonder how good it's AA is in game compared to the other BBs.
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>>122511312
>Settling for leftovers
>Not fighting for your shipfu

You don't deserve an Inn.
>>
>>122512230
The secret is that Nagato is also my shipfu and I hold her and Inn equal in value.
>>
It would seem IJN plane's 'defence' is reliant on good dice rolling RNG/mitigation(Dodge) vs USN simply having higher hitpoints and providing relatively stable numbers a player can rely on.

Example:.USN: "Your plane will probably/likely die in _ to __ seconds when shot at by [insert ship name] "
while IJN'd have a lower __ to __ second range, but have Mitigation rolls to either meet that estimate(awful dodge RNG) or you could get RNG Dice-Jesus and just set up shop over AA until fuel runs out.
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>>122512481
Good, don't listen to him, you can have the rapist all to yourself
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>Rampant shipfu claiming.
>No one claims the bestest, QTest Heavy Cruiser.
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>>122512714
Perhaps I'll use the heathens' lack of knowledge on Western monogamy and take them all as waifus, like the Saxon kings of old would. Snail too for good measure.
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>>122504518
Oh finally, I can get rid of that old spreadsheet now.
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>best bully still left up for claim

good, she's mine
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>>122513001
She'll find a man eventually!

>ignoring the DD's
Shameful!
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>>122513253
what if i want to claim khabarofffsk as my shipfu (or shipbando?) but she has literally 0 art drawn and she is not real

true suffering
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>>122513524
;_;
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>>122513001
Step aside, best CA coming through
Also shipfu
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>>122514301
>you will never be as cool as Kako
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>>122511594
last sperg sheet for the day
if I got a number wrong it is because I stopped caring about heavy cruisers

Just lol at Americans losing their torpedoes
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>>122514656
>you will never be as poorly drawn as stock Kako
Why live?
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>>122514825
we always can draw you more poorly, anon :^)
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>>122514825
>you will never be a bote
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>>122514825
It could be worse. She looks like she just retrieved a package of turrets from the post office or something.
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If only Furrytaco had her double turrets in-game...
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>>122515328

Whats that? You took absolutely no damage?
Here is a permanently lost turret and your engine/rudder is out too.
Thank god this shit is rare as fuck in SO.
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pls respond
>>122509831
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>>122509831
>>122516471
Whatever you perform most consistently with
Shoot ships and do damage.
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>>122516571

With 5.1 changes.
Not just do damage.
Cap points, kill aircraft.
Deny points to the enemy.

For a money maker, seriously suggest a memansk or Omaha or whatever t5 you feel comfortable in.
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>>122509831
The ones you do the best at consistently.

Omaha is pretty good in my opinion.
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>>122516471
Minekaze, Omaha, Fuso, Königsberg, Kuma
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>>122517315
A good Kberg can reliably AP tier IV and V BBs and even Clevelands if they expose their broadsides. The only downside to the Kberg is that it's guns and rudder are easily knocked out.
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>five billion years after she was introduced
Mogamin finally got her chrysanthemum seal at the prow! Congraturations!
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>>122518623
chrysanthemum bows offend koreans :^)
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>>122518725
Everything offends Korea. They're the Poland of asia.
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So why is the DM shit again?
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>>122519713
because it's the only t10 cruiser which actually existed :^)
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>You will never pull silly pranks on a Tsundere shipgirl.
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>>122522515
Too busy playing WoWS to post.
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>>122522515
>play Nurnberg once, lose
>play Minekaze once, win
>also managed to clear all my daily missions with those two games
>"Are you sure you want to exit the game?"
>Yes
>shitpost on /a/
Please subscribe for more blog entries!
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>>122522515

I got invited to a division with randoms on SO.
They like my CV play.
Sorry, too busy winning to shitpost.
Gotta reach tier 7 tonight.
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What's the point in having a thread when its this ded?
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>>122526941

The other one was much more alive. OP just got triggered and doesn't bother keeping his own thread alive.
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>>122455438

Because trying to string an electrical cord that far over water isn't exactly possible. They probably tried. But if they couldnt cut through using welding torches, I'm sure an electric saw wouldn't have worked either.
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Is anyone else having an issue with torps just going right through people's ships?

Derzki on islands this south carolina was heading right at me and I sent a massive wave of torps right at him from 2km away and NONE of them hit and after looking through the torp camera I found out they're literally phased right through it
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just got the game and redeemed my 3 day premium is there any best thing to do with these three days or do I just keep battling on everything?
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>>122527918
You can cut trough with an acetylene torch, but they probably didn't have one available
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>>122528589
a whole naval base without a single acetylene torch :^)
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>>122528564
If you care about battleships or carriers, I'd say try to rush your way up a line to get past the first two tiers of battleships. The tier 4s aren't so bad but the 3s are atrocious.
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>>122529063
That's what i'm thinking, 16 days is a long time, even enough time to ship like 50 bottles and still have enough time to get trough to them
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>https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://hz.changyou.com/hz/news/20151112/102567.shtml&prev=search

Linked from my Chinese contact.
British ships are coming to Steel Ocean on the 27th.

You're welcome /wowsg/
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I wish I had known you can add windmills of tolerance and friendship to your name when I signed up :/
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>>122459042

What has he said about DD's? I still haven't watched enough of his videos to gather his impressions.
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>>122530341
He told them to get it in between their retarded ears that their rudder exists and should be actively used if there's even a chance of a DD
A tall order, I know
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>>122529965

You can change your name for 1800 gold goyim.
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>>122530341
https://youtu.be/vfH47cqsB0w?t=19m39s

Check it.
Jingles dodges torpedoes even when he forgets about them.
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>>122530885
Still cheaper than WG.
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>>122530912
>torps go no where near him
>yea see I avoided them all by myself!
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>>122531404
>Taking an obviously ironic comment seriously.
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>>122530912
>>122530549

I've been watching his WoWS videos, and I like them.

However, most of them seem to be from the beta, and even CBT. Makes me wonder if anything in them is even relevant anymore - but the history lessons are worth it.

He also seems to like Kirishima
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a random screenshot from the twitch chat
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>>122533642
Agetec's stream pleases my weaboo sensibilities.
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>>122533642

>number of players on right now on the NA: 9.4k

Steel ocean ate 3k players?
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>>122449891
The fuck is this from?
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>>122533979
A good portion are probably play FO4 right now.
SO probably took a handfull but I can't believe it would take as many as 3k.

The only people who I could imagine want to play SO are CVnts or SShotas.
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>>122533979
More likely Fallout 4 stole them.
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>>122533979

And a large amount have just up and quit.


>>122449891

Well now I know what happens every-time I sink an enemy sub or ship.
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>>122534179
BBs are also a lot more enjoyable in SO than they are in WoWS.
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>>122518623
best bote coming throu
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>>122529965
It's a Chinese game, of course they're going to allow Buddhist symbols in their game. 18% of China's population adheres to Buddhism.

卐 (pronounced "wan") represents the forward of auspicious, the counter to 卍, and it is a commonly used word throughout holy sutras.

His player name, "DaHan Fleet 大漢舰队" literally means "Fleet of the Great Han", "Han" referring to an old name of ancient China (漢朝). This suggests to me that he's a nationalistic player.
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>>122534414
(´・ω・)つ |・ ・ |
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>>122534253
Not really.
BB's just feel like RC WoT artillery in SO.
In WOWS they feel like massive ships with big fucking guns.
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>>122534509
Mogamin isn't flat!
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>>122534562

WoT arty with manual secondaries that are just as good ontop of manually controllable AA.
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>>122534624
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>>122534503
>His player name, "DaHan Fleet 大漢舰队" literally means "Fleet of the Great Han", "Han" referring to an old name of ancient China (漢朝). This suggests to me that he's a nationalistic player.

your usage of 'he' addressing a player of unknown gender suggests to me that you are sexist...
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>>122534503
I'm really tempted to reroll as "卐卐Cannot_burn_juice卐卐"

>>122534562
I like being able to shoot stuff with the secondaries while the main batteries reload.It's a lot more enjoyable that way, at least in my opinion.

All the shitty secondaries do in WoWS is miss stuff, even if you max them out with mods and flags.
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>>122534685
It's still just WoT arty.
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>>122534730
>463x640
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>>122534747

Tumblr please go and stay go.
Everyone is a man on the internet until proven otherwise.
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>>122534806
implying 550x760 is much better
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>>122534882
Shut up anu.
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>>122534793

WoT arty along with multiple secondaries to fire rapidly...
You get the best of both worlds.


>>122534980

No. Don't make me bully you.
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>>122534747
I'm sorry Xir, I won't do it again.

Fun fact: The vernacular Chinese language traditionally only had one third person pronoun used in common speech, 他, and it was gender neutral. After European barbarians came to China, they introduced the concept of "he" and "she", and now Chinese uses 他 for males, and 她 for females.

>>122534774
I don't think they'd do anything about it. They probably wouldn't get the reference, and even if they did, I doubt they would care.
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>>122535180
>Xir
that's an ugly word
english has a long tradition of singular they...
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>>122535180
I've been so tempted to take mandarin as a foreign language while I'm in college but the ass-backwards writing systems has kept me from doing so. Yes, I know why the CCP doesn't want to adapt a proper alphabet but it's annoying to learn billions of hieroglyphs and you have to do it twice because these asshats can't agree if they want the simplified symbols or not.
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>>122535448
We are a fan of the singular we ourself.
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Out of a country of 1.4 billion, 18% is still something like 252,000,000 Chinese people being Buddhist. Meanwhile, the population of Russia is only 143 million.

Can I use this to argue to Wargaming for the sake of allowing the windmill of friendship and tolerance within WoT and WoWS? After all, they're trampling on the rights of Buddhists who want to express their own beliefs.
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>>122535560
WG only cares about Russian sensibilities, and I'd guess it's the same with the chink company making this game when it comes to their fellow countrymen.
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>>122535680
>WG only cares about Russian sensibilities
the only sensibilities they cared about yet it's korean and german ones though
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>>122535505
Think of it more like learning 90 radicals, rather than learning 4000 characters. In English, it's the same concept: Do you learn 26 alphabet letters, or do you learn 26,000 individual English words?

Chinese characters aren't like Egyptian heiroglyphs, they're built up of components called "radicals", just like how the English word "dog" is made up of the letters D, O and G.

The 女 radical represents "women" concepts. Hence, "prostitute" is 妓, "mother" is 媽, and "little sister" is 妹. You put radicals together to make characters, which are like square words: The word for "vagina" is 屄, which is a hole (穴) at the bottom of a body/corpse (尸).
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>>122536130
This is lewd anon
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>>122536130
I thought it's ~210 radicals in chinese?
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>>122536130
>The word for "vagina" is 屄, which is a hole (穴) at the bottom of a body/corpse (尸).
now, how do you write 'boypussy'?
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>>122536331
I'm told that second-language beginners only need to learn roughly 800 characters in order to pass college degrees, and I'm estimating that to be around 90 or 100 radicals to learn.

To be literate in Chinese (i.e. be able to read a newspaper) you need to know about 4000 characters, which uses all 210 radicals. To be literate in Japanese you only need to learn about 1900 characters (and I'm pretty sure this doesn't include all radicals). Most people learning Chinese/Japanese in college aren't expected to reach that level, however.
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>/wowsg/
>Chinese language and written form discussion.
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>finally suffered through Izumo
>get Yamato
>play one match
>dat repair cost

Never letting her leave port again.

This shit is expensive.
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>>122536986

We tried to warn you.
You didn't fly so good.
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>>122536935
Now you'll all finally be able to read this garbage!
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>>122515328
oh but she has them, it's at tier6 though
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>>122536935
Fun fact: The simplified Chinese word for "ten thousand" is 万, which is derived from the cursive form of 卐. The traditional Chinese equivalent, 萬, originally meant "scorpion", however that character's usage eventually changed at around 600 BC. In essence, the change from 萬 to 万 in the 1950s changed the cognate of "ten thousand" from "scorpion" to "swastika".

Also, the reason why 卐 is so significant in Buddhism, Hinduism, European Paganism and Ancient Egypt is because it consists of four squares, each with a 90 degree angle. What is 90 multiplied by 4? 360, of course, which represents a full circle.
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>>122536601
Hmmm, I guess I'll try to get these radicals in my head until next year. If I manage to, I'll take the course, if I don't I know I'm not motivated to make it.

Thanks dude.
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>>122537093

>Implying I'm going to willingly read chink shit.
As much as I like it for the DEEP plot. No thanks.
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>>122537243
what
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>>122537243
A PERFECT CIRCLE, REPRESENTING

THE SUN
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>>122537465
In Ancient Egypt, 卐 represents the sun. The sun is round, and is of religious significance; without the sun, the world would be dark.
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>>122537243
Oh shit, I never thought of it that way before...

>World of Warship General - Botesluts, Anime, Steel Ocean, Eve Online, Star Wars, Guardians of Palestine, Obscure Fetishes, Geography, Philosophy, History, Naval Architecture, Military Weaponry, Cooking, Demonology, Mathematics, Statistics, Linguistics, and Chinese Characters discussion
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>>122537579
>Fun fact: The simplified Chinese word for "ten thousand" is 万, which is derived from the cursive form of 卐. The traditional Chinese equivalent, 萬, originally meant "scorpion", however that character's usage eventually changed at around 600 BC. In essence, the change from 萬 to 万 in the 1950s changed the cognate of "ten thousand" from "scorpion" to "swastika".

i mean this part

>Fun fact: The simplified Chinese word for "ten thousand" is 万, which is derived from the cursive form of 卐. The traditional Chinese equivalent, 萬, originally meant "scorpion", however that character's usage eventually changed at around 600 BC. In essence, the change from 萬 to 万 in the 1950s changed the cognate of "ten thousand" from "scorpion" to "swastika".

it makes no sense
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>>122537790
There are two ways to write Chinese.
In Mainland China and Singapore, people use "simplified Chinese", which looks like this: 你爱吃狗屎吗?
In Taiwan and Hong Kong, people use "traditional Chinese", which looks like this: 你愛吃狗屎嗎?
Traditional Chinese has been used since ancient times; Simplified Chinese was invented in the 1930s/1940s, and made the official script in the 1950s, in an effort to deal with illiteracy (in 1950, about 70% of China was illiterate, today that number is 3.6%). Simplified Chinese is easier to write, but (in my opinion) it looks ugly, and is illogical in how some words are formed.

In Chinese, the word "ten thousand" (10,000) is written as 萬 in traditional Chinese, and 万 in simplified Chinese. The two characters, although meaning the same thing, derive from different origins. 万 derives from 卐, while 萬 is a borrowing from the ancient word for "scorpion".

Simply put, in ancient times (1000 BC), 萬 did NOT mean 10,000, it meant "scorpion". Later on (roughly 600 BC), the meaning of 萬 changed to "ten thousand" for some reason, scholars aren't too sure about why. For the next 2000 years, 萬 always meant "10,000". Then come the 1950s, when the Chinese Communists come to power and introduce Simplified Chinese as the official script - 万 is now "ten thousand".
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>>122537752

/wowsg/ at this point essentially its own board within a general.
If it was on Infinite chan, we would be one of the more active boards on the entire site.
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>>122537752
>Star Wars

Due to WoWS, I've been putting together an Age of Rebellion ttrpg campaign based around the characters being a rebel cell with a CR90 Corvette. I'm planning on giving them three choices as to its starting hull configuration, which relate to ship classes\roles from WoWS

-Fleet Escort
light armament of faster firing guns and good AA

-Light Cruiser
Medium range guns with ok AA, and proton torpedo launchers

-Destroyer
Small amount of very large guns and torpedo launchers, along with shit AA, but extras like a sensor jammer
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I want to repeatedly facepunch the faggot who made the decision to give Colorado 15k less hp than Nagato.

This turd has less hp than the previous ship. It makes no sense.
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>>122539458

>Not playing Rogue Trader.
Please.
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>>122514695
>D-class
>1941 Plan
>CA-B Plan
Jesus, don't tell me this game is filled with more napkin ships than WOWS.
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>>122539593

Blame the Super Testers and WG devs.
Shit accuracy, meh AA and meh armor.
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>>122539701
yes
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>>122539628

Dude.

DUDE.

I've been forever GM on Rogue Trader, and I'm sick as fuck of it. I want to play that shit. I've already got both a character and ship built - a custom lunar class designed to be a flotilla leader, with an energy conversion matrix and stygies macrocannons, plus gryphonne torpedoes.

However, only one of my friends is a huge 40k nerd, and he assures me he will run RT for me at some point - he just loves Only War more, though.
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>>122539628
>Rogue Trader
We try to hide from the guards!
>Roll dice - you fail to hide from the guards
>DM rolls dice - the guards fail to notice you
That system is hilarious at lower levels...
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>>122539771

Some players suspected(moar lik confirmed amirite) it's an intentional paywall by WG. Hell the dev for WoT pretty much admitted they put shit tanks in the tech tree to slow people progress down so they would spend gud on converting exp.
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>>122539593
Hey, at least they buffed the reload by 3 seconds recently, so at least cororado doesn't take 10% longer than nagato to reload her shitty guns any more.
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>>122539805
Why is Akagi/Kaga a tier above Taiho and Hiryu? They were both superior ships than them.
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>>122534624
That she isn't !
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>>122539826

>Stuck as forever GM
I know your pain.
I've been GMing Dark Heresy but I've enjoyed it so far.
Every game that I'm not running dies out due to players flaking and or just people having IRL shit pop up.
I've recently become much more strict with very non-lenient with my players.
I wouldn't mind running RT some time for my group.


>>122539937
>You need to distract him
DM I roll blather.
"Who the fuck uses bla-." Fine.
Player passes his check with like 4 DoS
NPC gets like 2 DoF.
NPC's face when.
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>>122539937

Dark Heresy is pretty hilarious all the time - especially if the group contains a psyker

>>122540112

Yeah, its too bad - I can get people interested, just not interested enough that they could run the ssetting convincingly - I had another friend try his hand at Only War, and he botched it horribly. He seemed to think that representing the Imperial Guard as hopeless heroes in eternal WW1 wasn't cool, and tried to CoD it up massively.
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>>122540467

>Playing Only War as CoD or WW1 trench simulator

Well I mean only war is all about action, the entire game is meant for warzone combat. Its gonna be CoD like almost.. The last time I played OW, I was squad sergeant and we pretty much were operators operating in an operational manner while operating.
It was fun.
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>>122540850

Of the two games I was in, one was great (run by the other 40k nerd), and the other was awful (run by a former army guy with no understanding of 40k)

First campaign was about our drop regiment, coming from a gun obsessed city (gunmetal city), and hating every other calixis regiment with a passion - so we got paired with a fancy ass noble regiment from Hive Sibellus. In the end, it was all about trying to outdo the other, and we did so fucking hard we single handedly ended the severan dominate war.

The second game, as I said, the GM tried to make it more CoD mixed with Generation Kill, mixed with Inglourious Bastards. So, here we are, the dirty fucking dozen of condemned goddamn criminals, one of us is a ratling, and we have an Imperial Navy Admiral chatting with us, and asking the ratling for cooking tips. It went downhill from there
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>>122541429

First story sounds fun as fuck.
2nd one sounds just painful to even be in.
I would have walked right then and there if a DM tried to pull that shit. I'm a huge 40k nerd myself to be honest.
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>>122541727

Its not like the second GM was a bad guy, he just did not understand 40k. He admitted it afterward. He's pretty much forever GM for anything NWoD though.

I just wanna run a campaign with fleet gameplay. RT is an option, but goddamn, I don't wanna JUST run it - I've been itching to play it for at least 5 years
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>>122542149

There is no fun allowed.
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>>122540093
she does pee herself though.
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>>122542368

You are right. I suggested the Rebel Fleet Campaign idea to my players, and they said no.

they all want to play dark jedi hunting down survivors of order66
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>>122542504
it's not pee... it's she after being penetrated
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>>122542562

>Dark and gritty game hunting down some of the most powerful force users in the galaxy
I mean I could see it being a decent game for a more mature group, but I would quickly worry about players trying to out edge each other.
Though playing Sith just sounds like a hand full that has so many chances to go wrong.
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>>122542849

With this group, I don't have to worry too much about that. Problem is, its just really not something I want to do. I prefer Star Wars as an outlet for heroic things.

Also, the rule system (FFG) doesn't really support full dark side characters. there aren't even any rules for dark side force powers
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>>122543412

Fair enough. I prefer having good party members than evil for the sake of being evil.

I'm gonna sleep now. Good luck with your group man.
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>>122543701

Thanks, take care bro
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>>122538362
No, I do not love to eat dog shit. Check your moon rune privilege.

Also you should've chosen a better phrase to illustrate your point between traditional and simplified Chinese characters. Only 2 out of the 6 characters in your example are written differently.

I agree with your views on simplified Chinese though; a lot of the meanings and "stories" behind the characters have been lost.
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>>122513164
She's mine, back off!
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Why do I always see old pictures of USN Cruisers with Blue Hull Stripes?

Old beta models? I was hoping later cruisers would still have them, but apparently not.
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>>122539805
>I-400 Sub CV.
I need it.
IGN Armyguy btw
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>>122546693
Takao was here Iona is worst waifu
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>>122546693
Reasons not to play the japanese subs
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>>122547272
do you think we can decipher this message?
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>>122547272
She's a big girl
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>>122547336
Same tier subs
The german sub is tiny enough to go in between head on torpedo spreads where the japanese sub can not dream about doing it
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I just got Zuiho, how do I change my loadout out of this crappy 2x DB?
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>>122547406
also its a fucking pain in the ass to stay surfaced in japanese big subs. the tiny little german ones can generally not give a fuck about being surfaced because their so hard to hit with artillery, while the japanese one eats shells left and right.
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>>122547272
Do you not like healthy subs?
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>>122547523
I like subs that look like they belong in auschwitz
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Attention all SEAgoys
>https://asia.wargaming.net/shop/wows/vehicles/?item=1066
LIMITED TIME ONLY
Tripitz is back, now with 0 CV shenanigans
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>>122547697
>$52
Fuck that wargaming, let me buy it in the game with $40 worth of gold.
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>>122547697
$50 for a single ship and a bunch of useless shit?

Which poor sucker actually buys these? Surely they don't sell right?
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>>122548961
>Remember the days where 85% of the MM consisted of Tirpitzs?
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>>122549145
My destroyer greatly enjoyed the days of the water lowes and water lowe drivers.
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>>122548961
>Which poor sucker actually buys these?
Almost everybody who has not had it yet. You think WG is stupid enough to not know this? :^)
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>>122547354
UUUU-Boat
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>>122547512
Japanese ones get 8 tubes and torpedoes with insane range and damage though
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Time for healthy.
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>>122551030
What did you do to get that many commanders?
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>>122551030
Oh and submerged subs can be rammed.
A up side for healthy.
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>>122551146
They can, for some reason. I saw two subs ram each other for 300 damage but they are only on the first submerge level and not the second.
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>>122551095
The commander events going on.
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>>122551146
>krauts and burgers on a sushi ship

explain
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>>122551398
>missing the the brit
But yea i don't have any good IJN sub commanders yet
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>>122551539
missed the pic.
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>>122553625
>selling dukis for shekels
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>they finally give me the opportunity to buy the Tirpitz on my shitty server
>options are bundles of 70/90/110 dollarydoos
jesus fucking christ
I don't know if I'm going to be able to resist
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>>122554874
They are talking about the Hatsuharu with 3x3 torps but it can apply to anything. WG will make it happen.
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WHY IS THIS AIDSGAME CONSTANTLY SPAMMING THIS ANNOYING SIREN SOUND

STOP IT

EVERY FEW SECONDS

ITS DRIVING ME NUTS
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>>122554950
>SEA
>buying overpriced shit made by WG
>game will most probably die in a year due to reasons
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>>122555048
Too many kancollefags in our region. Nips are also sharing our server. Possible, but unlikely.
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>>122555048
what am I even doing with my life
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Any new warship games coming out?
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>>122555231

>that pic
I've seen one. I've actually seen three. And I've done more then just look at them too. It's not all that exciting really. When think back on those times, I enjoyed the other things more.
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Dead game
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>>122519045
But you can pacify us with Vodka and some religious fever.. Try doing it with Koreans
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I know you're here, post IGN and server
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>Steel ocean Bismarck is tier 9
I don't know if I can stand this that long just for biscuit.
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>>122556508
I'm pretty sure it's tier 8 and I don't even play this shit.
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Since everyone moved to Steel Ocean in these threads, how different is the transition from WoWS?
I don't feel like learning a new game.
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>>122556608
Actually, yeah. I didn't realize the tech tree scrolled and my mind just auto completed tiers from wows.

still tier 8 is a lot.
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>>122556643
Guns control better, you can control everything on your ship, UI is shit, boats control like tanks and accelerate and decelerate as quick as a 20 ton ball dropped from 100 feet.

If you were decent at wows you'll be decent at so. you just need to get used to the aiming.

games shit
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>>122556643
torps are faster and more dangerous, secondariers and AA are manually controlled, it doesnt hold your hand with auto targeting or telling you how to lead your torps

ship accelerate faster and turn faster, and the maps are smaller
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>>122556643
>everyone moved to Steel Ocean

I'm still on WoWS
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>>122556643
game has literally no players
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>>122555137
nips or kr wont buy it

its a dead game there
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>>122556798
>>games shit
Both are, but what's the more polished turd?
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>>122556896
At least one of their mod is working, even if it's bot like replies.
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>>122556980
SO has no polish. It's literally just tanks on ocean, which is why it's so shit.

If it was slightly polished it'd blow WOWS out of the water, but it's exactly what you would think of when you think chinese bootleg.
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>>122557006
>WHY YOU SEA PLAYERS DO TIS!?
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>>122556980
SO is uglier but plays better.
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>>122557072
So if the only draw is the ship list then skip?
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>>122557312
>RC car ships
>WoT artillery main battery
>supersonic danmaku bullet torpedos
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>>122557341
Ships and manually controlled weapons are the only reason to play SO.

it's also so far not nearly as jewish as WOWS. So that's a draw too.
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>>122557464
>being this big of a baBBy
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>>122557341
Able to control everything for maximum DPS on a BB is pretty cool.
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>>122557502
There are special consumables and commanders you only get for paying money, and they're really good. If Steel Ocean ever got competitive it'd be far more jewish. They just don't ask you to buy $80 bundles of flags to get a virtual ship.
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>>122556643
post moar long-haired tenryuus
pls
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>>122557997
I wouldn't really say that some commanders are gold only. It's a gacha so if your luck is terrible you could dump tons of gold without getting the one you need. While some lucky fuck gets Doenitz with his daily merit roll. It's still a really fucking dumb system though.
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>>122558054
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>>122558315
There's a daily roll?
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>>122558315
They're applying mobile game jewing to a f2p pc game
Would actually work if they put cute girls behind those gacha
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How do you make commanders reach elite and above status? How do you give them all those sweets stars?
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>>122558337
Toppest waifu
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>>122557630
If I wanted 2hu I'd play 2hu. Graphics are about the same anyway.
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>>122558717

She used to be my waifu. I'm sorry to say that I found another one.
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>>122558480
I can't remember if it's every day or every other day, but there's one event for doing 15 battles that gives enough merit for 3 rolls. And one that I'm almost positive that's daily that gives half a roll for something stupid.
>>122558552
Doenitz is my waifu
>>122558613
Every copy of them you get gives points towards ascending them to a higher rarity.
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>>122558902
And how do i get more of one copy? Do i have to redo the events that give free commanders? i'm confused pls halp ;_;
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>>122558902
>>Doenitz is my waifu
I have just the thing for you
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>>122558949
Doing rolls for them in the shop. There's 5 commanders that you can outright buy as many times as you want. It's all terrible phone game RNG if your commander isn't a 4 star or one of the ones you can buy.
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Can you guys tell me about Steel Ocean?
How is it different from WoWS? Is it worth a try?
is there more grinding and money-milking?
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>>122560310
>>122556643
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>ST said upcoming hotfix will fix all caps
>hotfix didn't even say anything
>WG said pic related on the previous hotfix
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Does steel ocean on steam have chinese server or I'm stuck on NA?
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>polan can into sea
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>>122556823
Good choice since SO is a piece of shit.
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>>122564678
>giving WG money

This is why they wouldn't fix anything.
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>>122565001
Fix what?
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>>122565198
All the retarded shit they put into the game post-alpha, for example.
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>>122564504
NA only.
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>>122565256
How did they make a good game and turn it into a pile of shit? What fucking decisions did marketing make to have it turn out like this?
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>>122565256
I think the game is fine as it is, and 5.1.2 is coming up soon to fix the Dogfighting Expert bug.

So they just need to add Britbong botes and fill up the rest of KM and Ruskies bote.

I played from OBT anyway.
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>>122565472
Your mind would be blown if you ever played the old build. It's literally better than whatever crap they have now.
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>Fixed incorrect function of "Dogfighting Expert" skill that caused 100% damage bonus to fighters instead of 10%
Jesus christ, How long has this bug been going?
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>>122565953
2 weeks?
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>>122565340
>What fucking decisions did marketing make to have it turn out like this?
For reasons that are beyond the ken of mortals, they added the following in the beta:
'National pecularities' that made half the ships unfun and a third unusable in the face of nonretarded enemies becasue they were obviously thought up by people who had absolutely no clue how the game actually worked.
The (now infamous) armor 'fix' that caused almost all cruisers to take nothing but citpens (this is something that tons of people noticed, but noone was able to actually quantify what was happening)
They reduced the top speed of pretty much all ships by 2 - 3 knots.
They increased teh rudder shift time of all ships by roughly 30%.
The last two changes in combination made it impossible for crusiers to actually dodge salvoes, and for BBs to actually dodge torpedo drops.

Oh, and then there are a number of things that they simply left untouched since the alpha despite literally thousands of alpha testers telling htem that it was shit, like the CV balancing (of which the latest fighter 'bug' is just the tip of the iceberg of incompetence and not-giving-a-fuck), the meme-tier AA on most ships, torpedo detection, DD gameplay as a whole, etc.

Don't get me wrong. There were many good things, and actual fixes for problems, and bugs, in those patches.
But those things I listed there just made the game WAY worse and killed half the fun.
We are only now recovering from some of the idiocy.
Armor now mostly works as intended, and they seem to have stopped their attempts to force ships into artificial roles acording to their 'national peculiartiy'.
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>>122566392
How can you even fuck those up without doing it on purpose?
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>Imp Nikolai
>Big Race
>tier 4 battle
>Oh boy dis gon be gud
>2 Houshous on the enemy team
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>>122566869
Did Jingles trick you into buying it?
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>>122566921
Nah, I just like russki WWI boats.
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>>122567072
>You see, Alexey. The more shooter you have, The less Tsushima you suffer.
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>>122567295
>kill them before they kill you
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>>122565540
Now lets not go hyperbole on the nostalgia goggles.

It did have some better stuff, like torpedoes with reduced spotting range, and IJN CA's with 20km torpedoes. Secondaries were actually useful.

On the other hand, there were pretty much no armor calculations. CV's were just as broken as they currently ("currently": pre 5.1, post 5.1.2) are. AA was as unintuitive as it currently is. BB artillery view was not that great, and larger maps/longer ranges never had a chance to make it to full release, because WG always wanted short, 20-min random battles (which I'm fine with. 20 minutes is more than enough of time to share with shitters).

The only issue that can be solved by going back to an alpha/beta build are DD's not being shit.
CV balance has always been an issue. AA and support rewards were never implemented in alpha, and they're badly needed to give cruisers an actual role.
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>>122567490
>CV balance has always been an issue. AA and support rewards were never implemented in alpha, and they're badly needed to give cruisers an actual role.
Which means there's almost zero difference from the current build and the old build, but the old build have better things like you mentioned.
What's wrong with saying the old build was better again?
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Is Ibuki good?
It look almost like Mogami but with slower turret
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>>122567295
It has less secondaries than other WWI BBs, it looks retarded because of the turrets and upper deck layout.
>why don't we put all turrets on the upper deck your exellency rear admiral
>no Ivan
>why?
>no
>then the Revolution

By the way. If you look at Nikolai I or Derzki/Izyaslav in the game you will see that they have little to none superstructure. Russian ships were designed that way to catch less HE. The Tsushima buttdevastation is real.
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KÖNIGSBERG
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>>122568985
I wish I kept Konigsberg
Sold her for Nurnberg and now I had to citpen a cleveland
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>>122569269
Könisgberg is now the moneymaker for my t8 ships
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>>122551095
get a T2 of each ship type (T3 for carrier.)

look at your events tab.

You get 388 gold for doing a match with an elite ship (so play the T1, get all equipment/ships unlocked, equipped optional. play a match and get 388g.)

Also a commander for each ship type again at tier 5.
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>>122567608
All I'm saying is that some of the things from the Alpha that usually get heralded as better, are not really as great, game-changing or game-saving as some people think.

For example:
>>122566392
>
'National pecularities' that made half the ships unfun and a third unusable in the face of nonretarded enemies becasue they were obviously thought up by people who had absolutely no clue how the game actually worked.
And those "pecularities" are now having their edges rounded and improved. USN DD's have been getting longer-ranged torps, and becoming better at their role of escort ships. USN BB's are pretty good, and the matchup between the two nations is pretty balanced outside Yamato/Montana. USN CA's are great BB escorts, and are getting some attention in regards to their gun capabilities.

>The (now infamous) armor 'fix' that caused almost all cruisers to take nothing but citpens
That's post 5.1.1. Prior to 5.1, cruisers were taking an acceptable rate of citadel pens. As long as you don't show your broadside and do evasive maneuvers at 10-15km range, the chances of exploding greatly go down.
>They reduced the top speed of pretty much all ships by 2 - 3 knots.
Arguably unnecessary, but didn't make the game any worse.
>They increased teh rudder shift time of all ships by roughly 30%.
>The last two changes in combination made it impossible for crusiers to actually dodge salvoes, and for BBs to actually dodge torpedo drops.
You don't make any sense. If ships are slower and take longer to shift their rudder, how can they dodge torpedoes easier? TB drops are just as unavoidable as they ever were, and DD torps are avoidable because they're spotted too early. Torpedo spotting distance is what killed DD's, and it needs to change. And cruisers can still dodge plenty of BB shells; the point it's to bait the enemy into shooting where you want, then moving away from that spot, reducing the chances of being hit.
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>enemy Mutsuki made it to our CVs
>sunk none of them because he tried to torp an Indy without shooting his guns even once and failed miserably
>he probably would shitpost about how torps need a buff
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Are two carriers allowed in the same division?
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>>122570879
In WoWS? No
In SO? ____Yes
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>>122570614
>Mutsuki slips into a back line
>Tell CV to scout
>He sends his fighters to tank a Cleveland AA
>CV magically disappeared
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Later on today fleet battles open up.

If you win two a week, you get a lot of merit for commanders.

Goons may have a low tier fleet to fight today if you guys want to get that event done.
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>>122573043
I could join but I need to know exact time, because I cant promise anything right now.
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>>122573043
ill, be out of schola in an hour so i could bring glorious Gongo-desu to the fight
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>>122573165
Fleet time is regionalized in the game. Same time, but the game tells you for your time zone. Click fleet, fleet battle, and the opening time is for your time zone.

Unless you are set to japan time for porn games or something, then it will tell you japans local time
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>started the game as a rampaging CV only cunt
>hit tier 6 and kind of miss seeing what the water looks like
>think about going into BBs but decide to watch a few videos on DDs first
>learn about the detection range and torpedo range and how good DDs can get 2-3 kills a match and be an ever loving pain in the cock hole if they abuse the concealment and speed
>game is actually fun now that I am running a torpedo shitting bastard that dances the knifes edge of distances and harassing from the shadows

Game is way more fun in a small boot
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>>122573678
>3am - 5am
gg
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>>122573892
It is 2000-2200 for central players
Tuesdays and Fridays
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>>122573678
I will try to do it but i have yet to get in the fleet
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>>122573960
I dunno just post here when we need to get our shit toghether for it. I might be awake at that time.
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>>122573873
>finally start to try dd
>/wowsg/ tells me ijn are the best botes
>play RU because why not
>do extremely well
>check global stats
>RU strong
>IJN worst DD line in Asia and EU

Why do claps keep pushing this silly IJN is best dd shtick?

What's so fun about being useless the moment you unload torps?
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>>122574302
>wanting to use the tiny guns on a DD and lighting yourself up like a neon FUCK ME sign

Anything you can damage with your guns is going to rape your asshole in return fire and it completely ruins your chances of a surprise torpedo strike. Running that sweet spot of inside torp range but outside of detection and just sending out propeller drive death while remaining invisible and much more effective.
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>>122574302
if you want to play torpedo boat/stealth IJN'd be 'best'.

RU if you want to be a mini cruiser/gun-platform with torpedos

America... if you want a hamburger.

And germany if you want cruisers that are suffering for low tiers (Apparently it gets "better" at V.)

This information is for WoWS, not SO.
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>fires are 20.6%-36.8% of all damage cruisers do to BBs at different tiers
>fires(including those started by DBs, DDs and secondaries) are 13.7%-17.8% of all damage BBs take at different tiers
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>>122574919
>100% of BBs damage is come from pointing mouse toward Cruiser
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>>122575179
I wouldn't be so dramatic but it's quite clear that baBBies crying about bad cruisers setting them on fire too much is uncalled for.
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>>122575179
>100% of cruiser damage come from pointing mouse toward ships.

We can all play that game pal.
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>>122574694
>>122574717
I've been playing up to Udaloi and Benson and I have no issues gunboating. Even without smoke, I'm fast enough to fire a salvo and zip away.

When capturing points, my Ru bote will reach first and no IJN DD in his right mind will contest me.

The only regions where IJN DDs aren't dogshit is NA.
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>>122575452
yah its f2p
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>>122574694
The point of RU DD's is to keep your ass at max range, engaging the same targets your fleet is firing at, lightning them on eternal fire while you evade all their return fire.

If the enemy focuses you, they have little chance of hitting you with your small size and superior speed, while they don't shoot at your team and you keep them on fire. If the enemy doesn't focus you, you're still keeping them on fire.

Also, starting from T7, RU DD's can invisifire. The sweetspot is less than 1km, so it's more challenging. And HE/Fire damage is more reliable than torpedoes that can be spotted by planes and/or pre-emptively evaded by any half decent player. All things considered, RU DD's are the most fun, and the ones with the most consistent performance.
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>>122576041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPAiJOH1bLQ

But I want to do this from maximum range and be a complete dickhead that sinks idiots sailing in straight lines.
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>>122576041
Tier 8, 9 and 10 aren't small. Especially Khabob the light cruiser.
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Am I stupid or is Phoenix worse than shit?
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>>122576516
You're stupid. Go try playing Karlsruhe.
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>>122576242
Have you played hte fucking Khabob? you sound like a theorycrafter. It's fucking fast and can zip in and out easily. It'll reach Cature points first where it can remain there uncontested because no dd will want to challenge it.

It's the best TX DD for a reason.
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>>122576568
Already done that.
>>
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>>122576724
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it isn't small. It's fucking Kuma size.
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>>122576759
I got Ducky on the other hand
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>>122576759

That picture is funnier than it has any right to be.
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>>122576232
>idiots sailing in straight lines
Exactly. Those are the ones that anybody can sink. What you want to damage/sink/hinder are the ones who can actually pose a threat, but those players already evade torps effortlessly with pre-emptive course changes.

>>122576242
Well, "small". Larger than other nation DD's, but still smaller than most Light cruisers, with the added benefit of being really fast, having a speed boost and smoke.
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>>122576861
A Kuma with no citadel going at 43k is no joke.
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>>122558054
Have a picture of a relatively long 'haired' Tenryuu escorting some 'DDs'
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>>122577046
>>122576759
I want to adopt Akizuki
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>>122577692
her sister comes extra
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>>122577987
Those headbands are the stupidest thing ever.
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Why didn't warship use shells full of thermite?
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>>122578040
>being this much of a baka gaijin without yamato damashi
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>>122578327
Doesn't change the fact that it's dumb as fuck.
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>>122578040
What's with the headband hate as of late? I think they look nice.
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>>122578489
It's not the headband, it's the words on it.
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>>122578104
>spending shitloads of alluminium on shells that miss 99.9% of the time
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>>122578040
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>>122578690
Where would she bomb next?
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>>122578543
What about them?
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>>122578745
That sexbomb could detonate anywhere at any time...
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Did another match in the wasp.
Carriers right now in good hands are stronger than their WoWs counterparts pre-nerfs. Its like I'm playing god and just deleting these people with 1 squadron at a time. At tier 8 I get 4 squadrons I can be even stronger.
This isn't even fair for the enemy team even with another CV.
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>>122579407
Time to ask for a nerf so you will stop having so much fun.
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>USN Carrier took bombs from dive bombers
>Extinguish the flame and patch the runway up in 4 hours
>IJN Carriers took bombs from dive bomers
>Burn to death
Whyt
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>>122579407
How I imagine you sometimes..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRDBA-MMioA

Occasionally with
>"OOH ALLY GOING TO DELETE SOMEONE? NOPE! THAT IS MY JOB!"
>Deletes allies kill for him :^)
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>>122579751
Don't forget
>most advanced IJN carrier took one torpedo hit
>assplode
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It's shit
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>>122580151
>Tenryuu
>citadel hit
What the fuck were you shooting at?
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>>122580260
another tenryuu
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>>122579562

Well Steel Ocean has been out in China for over a year now. They've stated that CVs are supposed to be the trickiest class to play.
I think they are where they want them to be. Then again I'm probably on the far right of the bell curve compared to other CV captains.
I've also been told by my Chinese firend that at upper tiers, the US BBs get absolutely horrific amounts of AA. Then again, most players are bad and will blame the CV.
Ironically the most dangerous threat on the enemy team is a good DD captain.
Its so hard to hit them with anything if they pay even the slightest bit of attention.
It also seems that BBs and cruisers suffer from chronic stupidity when I have a DD lit 5km away and they can't even shoot it despite it closing in on them.

>>122579836
I'm not that bad.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Qkzj5bStU
This is my preferred soundtrack for CV playing. I play to win and if I have to kill secure, so be it.
I feel that ships in this game are honestly too fragile for my liking. Then again, torpedos are realistically as dangerous as ever. Even a single one can devastate your ship. Compared to WoWs where a single TB on a battle ship might tickle it at higher tiers.
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>>122581532
It might be due to that camera position when you dont even see your ship. Saw other CV captains just park some unimportant plane over their target and take his attention so then he can click them out with TBs in confusion
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>>122581532
A single torpedo doing significant damage to a capital ship with torpedo bulges is bullshit though.
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>>122580353
well that'd explain it..
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>>122581750

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k
Considering how blind my bombers are without scouts, its probably a scouting squadron that is distracting people. Due to AA actually being so effective I have to practice high tier WoWs tactics. I have to make quick lightning strikes or I will see my planes evaporate. All of my air strikes when arriving on target take less than 10 seconds or less usually to get the job done. Any longer and I consider the planes lost.

>>122581791
Torpedos are going to be devastating even with torpedo bulges. Those just lessen the damage IMO. You can increase that shit with equipment and captain skills in Steel Ocean at the cost of your speed. Frankly its what I would do if I played BBs or cruisers.
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I've worked on my sperg sheet to track ship stats a bit more.
One big thing that will make the german ships way better is if we have normalization on AP and if they lose penetration value over distance.
Anyone able to confirm or deny this
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>there is a Chinese rip-off of boatslut ollection
What the fug :DD
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Ryuujou obtained!

Time to delete people.
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>USN Cruisers (Cleaveland currently)
>getting close to tier 4 perk
>what do

i'm thinking the best options are either AFT, mostly for the increased AA range, or Demolition Expert, which still seems pretty mediocre if that 3% is multiplicative
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>>122582294
It's pretty easy to kill planes and I find DDs best for that role because they get fast firing AA. Considering their speed and steering performance I can only imagine how much of a rape Akiduki will be for example.

But yeah you're right that if I get matched against good CV captain he will click me out no matter what. Just like you did with thoose TBs against that sub you faggot

Post more Ace Combat
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>>122583297
It's straight out +3% per shot.
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>>122582391
Is this for Wows or SO?
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>>122583605
SO
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>>122583360

>backing up into torpedo bombers.
I can't even.
On the upside a random with a nagato tier 6 divisioned with me and we proceeded to floor all enemy teams. It was fun.
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>>122583869

I will try to get that info with my Chinese friend tonight if he logs in
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>>122583530
is this confirmed anywhere? i've heard both additive and multiplicative from various sources
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>>122583876
>killstealing right in front of your ally
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>>122584285

Deal with it nerd. :^)
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>>122584271
It's easy to test with DDs.
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Don't they have a chat in this chink game or something? Fucking hell.
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>>122584516
ok kek :^)
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>>122584681

What are you talking about
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>>122584878
About thread not being ded thanks to two faggots discussing their last game nobody else have seen
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>>122585058
Ok yurispammer
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>tfw drop from 56% WR to 55%
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>>122585058

Someone's salty :)
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>>122583297
I got AFT on cleveland and was disappointed
Shell had travel time of 17.5 second at 17.5km
AA range isn't that good
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What boat is smelliest?
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>>122586046
>tfw WR steadily going up from 63% to 64%, even though I have been playing very little BB's, mostly cruisers/DD's recently.
>tfw 65% is a feasible achievement by the next month.

>tfw I don't even care about this and I've just been playing for fun.
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>>122586917
The one who has the biggest amount of seaman inside her.
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>>122586917

>was going to just post image, but captcha gave me a hard time..

>Captcha asks to point out the bread
>two cakes, a bagel, a jelly donut, two pizzas, a slice of toast, bird-outta-nowhere,and a tree
>Pick everything but bird and tree
>WRONG!
B-but Captcha, everything selected was bread!

>Next captcha, asks for bodies of water/oceans
>all but two have ponds/oceans
>WRONG
WTF is going on with Captcha?!
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>>122588239
You can use legacy captcha in settings menu
Those captcha are fucking retarded
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>>122586917

I hope the game survives long enough to see the introduction of pasta battleships.
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Which boat is the best for going fast?
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>>122588239
that wasn't a captcha that was an autism test
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>>122584540
found some math on it actually
>Chance to set fire = ship's base rate x (1-(Damage Control Mod 1+Fire Prevention skill)) x (shell's base chance to set fire+Demolition Expert)

that's a strong skill. in practice that can increase a shell's chance to set a fire by 20-25%

guess i know what i'll be getting, then
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>>122589595
It's actually more than 50% on USN DDs. The difference is really hard to miss.
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so we may get custom designs
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>>122587379
I think this one was pretty funny
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>>122583019
Is this really news to you? About 6 months ago, I did a screenshot imagedump for that game after I played it for the first time.
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>>122586917
Are you that same guy who, without fail, goes to every single /fgg/ (Fighting Games General) thread, just to post "sniffcolle fightan when?", "smelly boat butts" and "I play stinky boat!" along with Fatalpulse art?
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>>122591552
No, But we might have the same fetish.
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>>122583019
the cutest
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>>122591264
I've seen pictures before but I thought it was just a chink image book like Pacific Fleet one.

>>122591712
How can Bep be best in two games at the same time? What's her secret?
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>tfw the best tier 6 cruiser is still a well handled Cleveland
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>>122567490
>Secondaries were actually useful.
>DD's not being shit

dunno how it even goes together, especially for usn and ru dd
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>>122576516
phoenix is pretty good when you get the top hull
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>>122574919
and? they are exactly balanced for that
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>>122595382
According to baBBies 50% of damage they recieve is HE spam autism #RememberTsushima WG nerf please you drunken slavs))))))). The other half is TBs dropping millions of torps right under their broadsides.
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>>122594516
Torps were hard to dodge. Nobody unironically played/plays gunboats.
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>>122596313
yeah, torps were hard to dodge... invisible torp i suppose
strong secondaries would nerf torpedo usage on all the dd with short ranged torpedoes like usn and ru ones hard
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>>122596805
>invisible torp i suppose
Pretty much.

>short ranged torpedoes
>Nobody unironically played/plays gunboats
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Hot fucking damn that feeling when you coordinate with another CV perfectly just absolutely annihilate the enemy team with coordinated assaults so much that their AA can't keep up. I don't care even if we were out numbered, it was beautiful.
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>>122597416
>being proud of carrying in a CV

you're a fucking disgrace if you can't manage to carry every game in a CV

literally the most easy mode class I've ever played
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>>122597578

I'm playing Steel Ocean. Its significantly harder.
:3
CVs in WoWs are so fucking primitive compared to this shit.
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>>122597578
>arguing with him
Are you new?
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>>122597416
>in BB
>spawn near our CV
>all the enemy CV's fighters, bombers, coming at us
>see our CV launch his fighters
>mfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBoiW460nU
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>>122594516
Back in alpha, USN DD's had invisitorps, just not as good as the IJN ones. IJN had usable guns, with slightly less RoF than USN and usable turret rotation speeds.

So secondaries were not an issue. Secondaries were pretty much a reward for BB's that managed to close into knife-fight range.
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>>122597750
>pointy clicking is harder than pointy clicking.
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>>122597968

Probably a baBBie who thinks his BB is extremely hard to play and requires skill and that CVs are the easiest class to play. Probably hasn't even gotten past tier 6 in WoWs and has a sub 55 percent winrate.

>>122598040
Its a good feeling ain't it?
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>>122597578
Just stop. There's no point. It's the same autist who thinks he's hot shit good for abusing Midway in WoWS. The same CVnt who actually thinks its totally his skill at play when he deletes half an entire team, and definitely not a balance issue.

Everybody knows CV's are broken easymode. Just ignore him and let his little circlejerk cult stroke his ego.
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>>122598919

>This much delusion.
I'm glad I quit if people like you still play WoWs.
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Colorado is a better looking ship than Nagato.

Shame about the fucking 15,000 HP disparity though.
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>>122598836
The only BBs I have are Waspite and ru battleboat. I just think that your way of handling a conversation is lacking. The fact that people on an anonymous chinese cartoon imageboard can be so self-absorbed they actually stand out is disturbing.
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>>122598040
>tfw haven't even done that but I know exactly how it feels from playing the game dozens of times
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>>122574717
>America... if you want a hamburger

USN DD's are fantastic gunboats, and I would dare say better then Russian, for two reasons.

More guns, which means losing a turret doesn't halve your firepower. Most slavsky DD's have only two to three turrets at later tiers. And firing speed, of which USN DD's can really pump out iron with most of them past T5 shooting 15 salvos a minute, not counting Gearing which pumps out at 20 salvos a minute. Also, turret turn time, which hovers around 5 seconds for USN dd's. and stays at around 18 to 30 for Russian DD's. Udaloi and Khab drop to 8 seconds.

Russian DD's are still great, but discounting USN DD's completely? nah, fuck you.

Also
>implying Hamburgers are bad
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>Colorado completely kitted out for AA because extending the range is literally pointless
>never see CV's anymore

god fucking shitfuck
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>>122600110

low muzzle velocity i.e. very high gun arc hurts usn dd usability...

they are arguably better at setting fires on bb though and also in the knife fights with other dd on low distances

you also forgot to add that they unlike russians actually can reliably invis fire

anyway they can invis torp since mahan and a lot of torp launchers too
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>>122599238
>I'm glad I quit if people like you still play WoWs.
>I'm holier than thou :^)
Don't go around acting all high and mighty, scum. You quit because you couldn't work your way around a bug (which is being patched anyway).

At any rate, I'm glad people like you quit. If SO CV's are as broken as your posts seem to imply, that means you'll stay there for a good while, hopefully forever. Based chinks for coming up with the perfect containment game.
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>>122598283
CV'ing is harder in Steel Ocean
But thats more do to AA in SO is you know GOOD.
The min dmg on the 1st AA guns you use is 18 the max HP on any of the 1st CV's bombers is 30 on the SBD-2 max on a torp? 25.
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>>122600707
>low muzzle velocity i.e. very high gun arc hurts usn dd usability...

Not really, this just changes the intended prey.

Russians can act like Light Cruisers and support their bigger brothers against larger targets, and better suited for that.

USN DD's are designed to counter other DD's, because at close range, the muzzle velocity and arc isn't even an issue.
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>>122476382
Planes in WT are alright if you have no knowledge of what a simulator feels like and if you don't want an experience that is evenly remotely close to that of a sim.
If this guy can play and somewhat enjoy WT, it means the planes aren't that bad, really: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvRg2rvUqFU

Planes in WoWP are just fucking retarded. Like, no excuse to play them, they're just not planes.
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>>122597578
see
>>122597750
(I'm not ^)
Hop into a hoshou or bogue in SO and say it is the easiest class..

or play anything in that game and swap to AA and watch as you nuke incoming planes with ease. If you are not a shitter who can't aim that is :^)

The mechanics in SO CV are much trickier than WoWS, not to mention everything can nuke your planes in moments..
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>>122599816

You operate on the assumption that I care whether or not people can recognize that I stand out. If people do, cool usually the better members of this board usually have something good to contribute. Or you know they act like you and contribute nothing except to shitpost on a south american avacado discussion board.

I find it laughable that people even think I have a circle jerk or cult when its in fact the complete opposite.

>>122600526
Remember, CVs are easy click to win at tier 7. Everyone should be playing them.
Why not try them yourself?

>>122600767
Well I mean compared to an anonymous shitposter, I'm slightly above that. Players like you are why WoWs is dying. In fact I could have worked around the bug, but I simply saw no point. Why the fuck should I even care anymore? The sheer incompetence of WG is astounding. At this point because your attitude which like most of the users who play WoWs coupled with the constant band aid fixes instead of actual reworking CVs has lead to situations like
>>122600526 <--- deals with.
But go ahead, keep up with your attitude I hope you have fun on WoWs. The good people have left already.

>>122601134
You also get a lead indicator that allows you to wipe squadrons quickly. Its a bit to adjust when planes fly directly over you and you have to move your camera about. It can be disorientating. I do it to ships just so I can buy a few precious seconds.
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Didn't bother to censor my name because shamefur dispray last night.
Why is fusou so extremely good? I heard NM is better but I just ate her ass all day.
3 high calibers in 2hours. That's it my heart is her possession. Does anyone have good Fusou (ship) wallpaper before I creating a new shrine? Yamashiro is fine too.
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>>122601867
this is what I got...
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>>122601867

Good job man. The Nagato is even better.
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>>122601867
>Why is fusou so extremely good? I heard NM is better but I just ate her ass all day.

New Mexico is worse than the Fuso.

Generally if its American, its worse.
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>>122602362
>Fusou (ship)
Anon...
At least give me the Isuzu one.
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>>122602658
You do realize the averages for burgers are very close to nips?

It's always just one hits worth difference. Including Izumo vs Iowa.
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>>122601475
Not even >>122600767, but he's right
But why not just quit the /wowsg/ then? Or Yotsuba overall? I mean, we're all anonymous shitposters here, except for the ones who want to be local celebrities and go around leaving clues as to who they are in each post. You're slightly above us, supposedly, so by all means you should not soil yourself further with our brand of shit.

>The good people have left already
Not me :^)
>Players like you are why WoWs is dying
Glad to know my 64% on DD's, 63% on BB's and 65% on cruisers is killing the game :^)
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>>122603240
The Kongo far outstrips the New York in terms of damage and XP on all severs, as does the Fuso to the New Mexico, the Nagato to the Colorado, and the Yamato to the Montana.
>>
How's sub in SO?
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>>122603336
>I mean, we're all anonymous shitposters here, except for the ones who want to be local celebrities and go around leaving clues as to who they are in each post.
>my 64% on DD's, 63% on BB's and 65% on cruisers

a typical hater of namefags
'i'm better than them but people pay more attention to their posts baww'
you should try to be a namefag yourself, you will quickly heal from it and stop to care
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>>122603336

I was talking about the people who have stopped logging in completely. Less and less of the people I knew have just stopped playing WoWs. I don't give a damn about winrates from my friends. I used to have an active list of at least 30+ regulars I had played with outside /wowsg/ and had simply stopped playing. A coupled of anons here have div'd with me while I had played with them. Otherwise I kept the communities separate for the most part. In regards to general, we weren't near that bad until OBT and release hit. Then the quality dropped like a rock.
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>mission to shoot down airplanes
>haven't seen a single carrier in 12 games
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>>122602658
>Tiger/Panther vs Sherman
>Lufftwaffle Messerschmitt's vs Drawing a blank on America's initial plane waves/swarms(Buffalo/Wildcat?)

America tended to win with simple weight of numbers via cheaply produced pieces of crap (that then got supplemented/upgraded and did better with time.)
Compared to the german hand crafted works of art.

(Numerous recorded stories of Sherman tanks from literally point blank range, failing to penetrate their german enemies. And then the Firefly arrive and helped even the odds.. but still was like one-ish Sherman-Firefly to a squad.)

>>122602742
Guess I had this. Just set the BG colour to match.
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>>122603962
They are alright. They can only stay under water for so long, the deeper the go the less time until they have to recharge on the surface.
The germans are tiny, nips are huge, and americans have better sonar. Depth charges and torpedoes fuck them up.
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>>122604446
Oh jesus christ, its a Wehraboo and a weeaboo combined.

What the fuck do you even call this.
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>>122604740
Weehraboo
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>>122604446
>America tended to win with simple weight of numbers via cheaply produced pieces of crap (that then got supplemented/upgraded and did better with time.)
>Compared to the german hand crafted works of art.

oh god what is this I don't even

>(Numerous recorded stories of Sherman tanks from literally point blank range, failing to penetrate their german enemies. And then the Firefly arrive and helped even the odds.. but still was like one-ish Sherman-Firefly to a squad.)

what am I reading
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>>122604262
Just remake silver missions and hope for a free XP one
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Is SO P2W game?
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>>122604262

What tier are you?
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>>122604446
>America tended to win with simple weight of numbers via cheaply produced pieces of crap (that then got supplemented/upgraded and did better with time.)

Firstly, literally everything you just typed was wrong.

>Compared to the german hand crafted works of art.

Especially that.

Secondly;

>(Numerous recorded stories of Sherman tanks from literally point blank range, failing to penetrate their german enemies. And then the Firefly arrive and helped even the odds.. but still was like one-ish Sherman-Firefly to a squad.)


Don't talk about shit that you clearly have no understanding of.
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>>122604446
The difference in planes was less stark.
P40's were roughly on par with early bf109's and once the p47 made it over even the focke wulfs had a match.
The mustang was overrated as a fighter but fulfilled the escort role fine thanks to its range.

By contrast the Sherman didn't really become a match for German machines until the easy 8. And fireflies were a British modification.
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>>122605248
6-7-8
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>>122605224
Gold rounds gold ships.
Gold ships are not so good.
Gold rounds are slightly better but you never go "if I only had gold rounds, I would of won"
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>>122605470
gacha capatains
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>>122603962
Fun. I never played WoWS because I'm a sub guy: I both wanted to hunt subs, and to play as a sub. They're perfectly balanced and reasonably hard to play. It gives me reasons to stick near to BB's with my DD, to act as a scout for subs and to hunt them with my torps and depth charges.

It's just another layer of gameplay and I can't believe Wargaming missed this chance.

>>122604446
Dude open a book.
I'm no Ameriboo, but it's historical how much did the superior American industry tip the war in its favour, it wasn't cheap, it was just produced with methods that Germany couldn't even afford to think about, especially because their factories were quickly turned into piles of rubble while on the other side of the world American workers could turn out 4-engined wonders every 60 seconds.

About the Sherman, it was better than German and Soviet counterparts (I'm talking about the PzIV and T-34, stop comparing it with tanks twice its weight), it had its shortcomings but there is a reason if the US didn't adopt the firefly: it didn't really need more upgunning. The main shortcoming of the Sherman, and no ignorant idiot knows this so its never mentioned, was its low mobility compared to tanks like the Panther or T-34 that could climb steeper slopes, move through deeper mud, and have much better traction on slippery surfaces. In contrast the Sherman was really subpar.
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>>122605224

No, its WoT on water. If you played WoWs at first its going to be disorientating. After awhile you get used to the gameplay.
There are gold consumeables that you can buy with gold, but otherwise, no its not P2W. Everything that you want can be obtained in game. You can even get gold for playing the game.
Premium time can be bought for number of battles instead of days. Premium gives 100 percent more exp/credits
As
>>122605538 stated. Yeah there is a gacha captain system which is pretty fucking annoying. You can earn captains by just playing though. On the upside, the sheer amount of captains and mix and matching you can do gives you a shit ton of variability on what you can skill your ship for.

Also British ships are releasing this month on the Chinese server. Next month for the Steam server probably.
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>>122604446
>Tiger/Panther vs Sherman
>expensive, unreliable shit tanks that don't work, versus a good average cost one that does

>Lufftwaffle Messerschmitt's vs Drawing a blank on America's initial plane waves/swarms(Buffalo/Wildcat?)

>comparing carrier based aircraft to land based ones
>the P-40 wasn't a match for 109's produced in the same timeframe

>America tended to win with simple weight of numbers via cheaply produced pieces of crap (that then got supplemented/upgraded and did better with time.)

America won because it could produce high quality everything in massive amounts, that were then upgraded to remain competitive against newer foes (and did so quite effectively)

>Compared to the german hand crafted works of art.


Which ended up being laboriously constructed pieces of concentrated shit.

>(Numerous recorded stories of Sherman tanks from literally point blank range, failing to penetrate their german enemies. And then the Firefly arrive and helped even the odds.. but still was like one-ish Sherman-Firefly to a squad.)


How do you even fuck up this badly at basic history.
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>>122605224
Gold ammo
Gold ships
Gold captains

Gold ammo and ships are not that gamebreaking. But unlike in WG games, you can't buy them with in-game credits.

The gold captains are the game-breaking ones. Full-specced captains give a fairly decent advantage over normal ones, and getting a Full-spec captain without gold is pretty much impossible, thanks to gacha machine.
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>>122605975
>>Tiger/Panther vs Sherman
who cares, anyway the west didn't help russia to fight german tanks (not counting selling (not giving, selling) them supplies and some weapon) till german army was almost defeated and that tiger vs sherman match didn't matter
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>>122605397
The earlier P-47s had shit climbing due to their simple propellers. Fw-190's could just zoom away - in any case, the P-47 was a decent fighter but never really employed as such, as their natural "habitat" was closer to the ground to perform strike missions, which put them in a difficult situation if engaged. (altitude is energy, no altitude no energy, no energy you're dead.)

>The mustang was overrated as a fighter but fulfilled the escort role fine thanks to its range.
The mustang was fine for the job. And it was a technological piece that the Germans could never hope of matching - if the Germans had a plane comparable to the P-51 during the Battle of Britain, the Brits would have lost.

>By contrast the Sherman didn't really become a match for German machines until the easy 8. And fireflies were a British modification.
Absolute bullshit. Fireflies weren't that effective, the US didn't consider them for a reason, the often cited incredible effectiveness is from rounds that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
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>>122606087

>The gold captains are the game-breaking ones. Full-specced captains give a fairly decent advantage over normal ones, and getting a Full-spec captain without gold is pretty much impossible, thanks to gacha machine.

Slight problem with this, you cannot directly buy gold captains. You have the same pool as merit. You are limited like everyone else with gold. You just have more chances with gold.
You are also overlooking the fact that captains can be upgraded if you upgrade them with the exp you get. You can turn a 2 star into a 5 star with enough effort.
With the increased levels, that captain gains more skills, improvements to his current ones and he benefits your ship more when hes on it.
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>>122606503
>Slight problem with this, you cannot directly buy gold captains. You have the same pool as merit. You are limited like everyone else with gold. You just have more chances with gold.

anon... you clearly have no idea how gacha affects players
some people will spend ridiculous money for that slight chance to come to life
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>>122606348
I didn't say fireflies were effective anon, I corrected him in pointing out they were a British modification.
And by overrated I mean that lots of claps hail the mustang as the greatest fighter ever made. It was a competent fighter and a great escort, but far from the greatest fighter ever made
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>>122606348
> the P-47 was a decent fighter but never really employed as such, as their natural "habitat" was closer to the ground to perform strike missions, which put them in a difficult situation if engaged. (altitude is energy, no altitude no energy, no energy you're dead.)

The P-47 was actually optimized amazingly for high altitude work, which is part of the reason why it was so big. The engine actually becomes more efficient the higher you get, and the wings are so large and wide that it retains is maneuverability better than the thin winged German interceptors.

The reason it was used heavily as a fighter bomber was because;

A.) The Luftwaffe stopped being an actual threat in 1944

and

B.)They figured out you could strap nearly half the payload weight of a B-17 under its wings and go bomb Germans with it.
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>>122606781

I know how. Apparently on the Chinese server some people have put thousands into it.
I've used the qualification exp I've gotten from getting doubles of captains I already have thanks to merit that I've turned 2 of my 2 star captains into 3 stars and subsequently unlocked their elite skills.
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>>122606331
AHAHHWHAT

Russia would have collapsed instantly without lend lease. The US GAVE (not SOLD. 90% discount counts as giving away, moron) 12000 fucking armored vehicles to Russia + about 5300 tanks from the UK - this totals to 17300 armored vehicles, even if those aren't all tanks, most were, and that's a fuckload of equipment, especially considered wartime russian production of tanks dwarfed that of Germany.
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>>122606831
I know that, just saying it wasn't used as a fighter, because of what you said, so it suffered huge losses.
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>missed the Ducky dump earlier
Damn. Oh well.

I want to bring Akiducky and Teruducky to a fancy restaurant, order a bunch of delicious food, and not let them eat any. At the end of the meal, I will have the waiter clear all the leftovers and throw them out.

When they come back to their barracks, there will be a single can of sardines and two bowls of steamed barley for the two of them
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>>122607068
You forgot the millions of miles of railroad track, the thousands of Locomotives and hundreds of thousands of trucks and jeeps that let them move their armies and keep actual supply lines running.
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>/wowsg/
>Historical ww2 discussion.
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>>122607195
Only 3,000 P-47's were lost to enemy action out of a production run of 15,600.

That's hardly "huge losses" at all, and that's counting all the losses from ground fire that they were routinely exposed to when sortieing with rockets and bombs.
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Fleet battles start in 2 hours and 10 minutes from now and end in 4 hours and 10 minutes

There is a weekly event where if you win 2 fleet battles you can get 360 merit.

The lowest fleet battle is 7-10 people, tiers 2-4, except DDs and SSs are tiers 2-3
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How do I play BB.
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>>122608218
step 1

play Japs
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>>122608401
But it always seems I'm drowning in torps no matter what country I am
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>>122608781
I'm a newb in SO, so dunno if it applies to WoWS, but I find that common sense will save you against that

>constant awareness of what happens around you. Look at the minimap when you're bombarding targets far away
>don't advance at max speed all the time, never sit still though
>stick near other, faster ships.
>use the main guns in single shot mode, so you can range your shots and then hit with the full salvo, and if something happens you're not dead in the water with all the guns stuck on "loading"
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>>122607974
I will show up if i can.
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>On the night of April 12 [1904], at 1830, two divisions consisting of eight destroyers were sent out on a scouting expedition [with orders to attack] ... one of these boats was the Strashni ...

>During night the lights and silhouettes of boats were seen about three miles out, and the captain of Diana suggested to the admiral that they were probably mining the approach to Port Arthur.

>and about 2300, the Strashni became separated from her consorts and about 0200 picked up a Japanese division of four boats which she mistook for her own.

>Strashni accompanied her enemies until near daylight, when they approached some Japanese cruisers which received them in a friendly way. Strashni knowing no Russian cruisers were out, having now doubts, hoisted her flag, to which the answer from the other boats was a broadside at close range. She [turned to run], but the chase lasted only a few minutes until the forward torpedo was struck and exploded and the steam pipes cut, when she necessarily stopped.

>By this time her commander and all the officers and many of the crew were killed or wounded, and the boat helpless and sinking ...
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russia paid back in 1945
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Requesting another invite to SO Fleet, if anyone who can invite is on
IGN: Takemikazuchi
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>>122609705
Why would they think hoisting their flag was a good idea?

I mean shit. If you think maybe you've been accompanying the enemy for a couple hours with no known allies in sight, just give it up. Follow them to wherever they are going and surrender peacefully.
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>>122610231

I wish Yonoa had made me an officer or something in the fleet. I would have accepted your invite.
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>>122609705

>When ADM Makaroff learned of desperate plight of Strashni, he first ordered Diana to support Bayan, and then almost immediately gave orders for fleet to get underway and boarded the Petropavlovsk as first ship to out.

>[The Russian battleships] approached Japanese cruiser division of six vessels, exchanging shots at long range, the Japanese retiring and at 0840 being joined by a battleship division of four vessels...

>[The Russian fleet turned] eastward and reformed, heading back for the entrance.

>In returning, and when about three miles southeast of signal station placed on Golden Hill, time 0943, Petropavlovsk ran on a mine, one of 30 placed by the division of Japanese torpedo boats the night before, and which ADM Makaroff intended to drag for that morning, but in the haste to give aid to Strashni had not been able to do.

>There were three explosions, first the mine, then another almost immediately after of much greater force, with greenish-yellow smoke ... the magazines and 12" shells both exploded. In the gun cotton room there were 15 mines with about 180 pounds of gun cotton in each ... these too must have gone up.

>... the whole forward part of the ship wrecked and enveloped in flames, mast and funnels falling, bridge wrecked, forward turret hood blown off into the water, the ship practically breaking in two ... sunk completely in less than two minutes.

—Report of LCDR N. A. McCully on the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5)))))))
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>>122610334
this source claim that strashni tried to torpedo attack the cruisers (not to flee) and when you do it, well, it doesn't matter if you hoist your flag or not

https://books.google.ru/books?id=lv_RAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=Strashni+destroyer&source=bl&ots=do8HmLZ5c7&sig=MkkEWyApMpMz8EUiunabCpYIJFU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAWoVChMI9PfIj9qYyQIVxSVyCh0NBAXG#v=onepage&q=Strashni%20destroyer&f=false
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>>122610334
>>122610657
if that's the case, it was against the rules of war to attack an enemy vessel without your flag hoisted (that's why Auxiliary Cruisers would remove their disguise and hoist their own flag right before attacking something)
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What is the godamn button to switch my current target? Cannot align torps for shit because it stays stuck on some asshole in my rear view instead of the guy 7 km in front of me.
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>>122611651

If you are playing WoWs, its the 'x' key.
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>>122611760
>If you are playing WoWs
I never realised there would be a day when people needed to specify this.

Reminds me of back in 2012 when World of Tanks and Warthunder shared a single general thread on /vg/. The difference, though, was that it was impossible to get the two games confused, even with minimal context. (Back then WT only had planes)
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Substandard game play U-29/10
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>>122612176

Well the thing is, in Steel Ocean there is no indicator or current target selector.
Some people might think there is.
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>>122610595
>>122610334
>Follow them to wherever they are going and surrender peacefully.

Addendum:

>The mental attitude of the Russians seemed to be always, when in doubt, blow up the ship, so solving all difficulties, and the treatment of the survivors of the Chemulpo Affair—

>Note: At Chemulpo [8 February 1904] a Japanese fleet of fourteen attacked and caused the destruction of the Russian detachment of cruiser Variag, gunboat Korietz, and transport Sungari with fifty killed and fifty-five wounded ... CAPT Roudneff was giving the St. George Cross and command of a modern battleship and every man taking part was regarded as an unqualified hero ... making official sanction of the act of blowing up their own ships ...

>—strengthened them in this view which is supposed to date from an incident in the Turkish Wars, when a Russian commander surrendered his ship. The ship was recaptured and destroyed, her decks having been polluted by the tread of a conqueror, the commander was disgraced and his family and descendants forbidden to ever hold any office of trust or confidence in the Russian Empire.

>Russian ships destroyed by their crews, incl. both scuttling after heavy damage and scuttling with no damage at all, number:

>DD: Buini, Burni, Rastoropny, Ryeshitelny, Vnushitelni
>CA/CL: Izumrud, Variag
>BB: Novik
>Misc: Torpedo Boat № 204, Korietz, Sungari, "steam cutter"
>And portion of Port Arthur Fleet sunk protectively at anchor under bombardment of Japanese land batteries. ["What idea could have impelled sailors to sink their ships under bombardment to protect them from falling shells? At the beginning of the siege there were but two things for the Port Arthur Fleet to do: fight or go to Vladivostok. It did neither."]
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>>122611760
Thanks senpai

When do IJN DD's get just cuuuuurazey with their torpedo barrages?
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>Play wows after playing SO for a while
>WOWS doesn't have the trajectory indicator that shows you when you'll hit a mountain
>First couple shots I send into a mountain thinking I can shoot over it
>mfw
Why exactly doesn't wows have this and a cheap ass chinese bootleg game does?
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>>122613597

I think they get them at tier 8? I'm not really sure, I don't play IJN DDs.
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>>122613731

Steel Ocean was released over a year ago. Its not really a boot leg, it was developed in the same time as WoWs. It just borrows from WoT much more.
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>>122601447
Why is Houshou so lewd?
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>>122615956

She has the most womanly experience and knows how to actually be seductive compared to these young and stupid botesluts.
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i've been playing the st. louis mostly in recent games - am i supposed to be able to tango with 2 battleships and come out with barely any damage? this cruiser is a monster if you shoot steadily every 1.5 seconds for constant stream of hellfire.
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>>122616130
>womanly experience
>seductive
Is that why she had so many Children?
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>>122616130
>an awkward, nervous, and slightly embarrassed Hotel will never try to seduce you

just die in my sleep already
>>
anyone wants to buy my acc? got yamato and zao ~

not shitty stats either. not offering much for it, its practically free unless you flip burgers
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>>122616296
Why couldn't she protect her daughters' smiles?
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>>122617474
fuck off
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>>122617384
Her sister is much cuter though, acts super cool when she tries to seduce you but when you go on the offense she gets flustered
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>>122617643
Weakness
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>>122616296

Yes. She got her citadel penetrated reliably by showing her broadside lewdly to all the admirals. They couldn't help but penetrate her.

>>122617384
>"H-hey its not like I w-wanna do any of this."
>"M-maybe we can hold hands? Please?"
>"I don't know what I would do if Mom was to see me now."
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>>122617817
I consider Sushi and Hotel about even in terms of cuteness, Hotel is just more traditional about it in my eyes. And I do imagine she'd get flustered the moment you broke through the "I'm a badass" attitude.

>>122617850
>implying botes have moms
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>>122618130
>>implying botes have moms
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>>122618252
even grendel had a mom
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>>122618130
I want to make Hotel a mother.
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>>122618252
And she sent them all to die. How sad.
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Fleet battles are happening right now, there are some fleets that are super try hard
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>>122619931
in warships?
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>>122620134
SO. There is a chinese group that were dropping smoke on each other constantly. All had the exact same ship for each class. It was pretty ok.
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>>122590662
yes anon read this >>122529729
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steel ocean is so fucking shit how does anyone force themselves to play this
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>>122620918

>No aim assist
>No torpedo leads
>CVs aren't easy mode
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>>122621542
>>No aim assist
Patched
>>No torpedo leads
Not needed when you have supercavitating chinese torpedoes moving at the speed of sound, firing at 3km away because lolspotting :^)
>>CVs aren't easy mode
Except they are.
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new thread
>>122622013
>>122622013
>>122622013
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>>122621912

>Patched
No.
There is no in game assisting as there is in WoWs
>Not needed when you have supercavitating >chinese torpedoes moving at the speed of >sound, firing at 3km away because lolspotting >:^)
They constantly visible. If you cannot easily dodge them, then that is player error.
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>>122605397
>By contrast the Sherman didn't really become a match for German machines until the easy 8. And fireflies were a British modification.

Shermans were the kings of Africa, and regularly destroyed Panzer IV's with impunity. The American 75mm could pen the glacis of a PanzerIV at a 1000m's right into an ammo rack.

German tanks were never that good
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>>122477120
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