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first for loli shanalotte never ever

So, was Artorias a Darkwraith?

>>121988478

No. What makes you think that?

>>121988531

Well, a two-timing Darkwraith like Kirk. Since his abysswalking is called a "covenant with the abyss."

>>121988157
>FBGAGS.COM

>>121988594
Kirk's only in it for his Fair Lady, bless him.

Artorias doesn't have a covenant with the abyss in the same sense that the actual game covenants are. He's just highly fucked up with dark since succumbing to the Abyss after spending too much time in it, earning himself the title. Or something like that, it's been a while. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>>121988726

That's pretty much it, I think. The "Beasts of the Abyss" probably refers to Kaathe. Like Gwyndolin (Darkmoon/Princess Covenant), Kaathe could offer different kinds of covenants.

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Just starting PC version. Is there a list of essential PC mods?

>DSFix
>Lava Eyesore Fix
>HD Player Messages
>HD Summon Signs
>Lowest Common Denominator HD Textures
>Tree LowRes Texture Fix
>High-Res UI and Subtitle fonts
>Andres Cranial Ember
>Anor Londo Better Distance Textures - http://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls/mo...
>Dark Souls Flora Overhaul
>Improved Normal Arrows
>beards
>PS3 interactive icons
>Alternate Intro Splash Screen - Dark Bonfire
>Dark Souls 2 Inspired HUD

I mostly want tweaks that improve the look of the game, without dramatically altering it. A lot of fan texture mods are pretty amateurish and clash with the original look of the game.

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>>121988726
basically artorias was there when new londo fell and made convenant with the darklings to go fuck up manus
but when artorias fought manus he got a load of pursuers up his abyss and became an edgelord
also arm breakings

Daily reminder that Dark Souls 3 will be as bad as 1.

Dark Souls 2 > Bloodborne >>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 1 > Demon's Souls

>>121988963
dscfix and pvpwatdog m7

>>121988963
>Is there a list of essential PC mods?

DSfix and PvP watchdog. I also like the mod that puts back the "YOU DEFEATED" etc. messages from PS3.

>>121989121
>not
>THANKS OBAMA
do you even into memes?

>>121989031
>hating on DeS

What's it like being a total shitter? Did Valley of Defilement leave you permanently posterior-pained?

>>121989121
not "SHIT" or "ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY"
its like you dont even want to have fun

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>>121989121
>I also like the mod that puts back the "YOU DEFEATED" etc. messages from PS3.

Which one is that?

>>121989173

That's already bordering on dated.

>>121989193

Valley of Defilement is cool as fuck, despite being a total pain in the ass. One of the most memorable areas. You have to be smart and cautious as hell. The only thing is that I wish they just disabled rolling, instead of making your character do some "i dunno lol" animation when trying to roll in the swamp.

>see land
>try to dash
>accidentally try to roll instead
>hurr durr animation
>get hit

So is fire good and darkness bad? This lore seems less-developed than other games but it leaves some to the imagination. s'cool.

>>121989173
>>121989234

Come on, the original engrish is pretty funny, no?

>>121989287
>Which one is that?

http://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls/mods/31/?

>>121989291
Kind of, not really. I'd need to collect my thoughts to go into more detail though so I'll leave it to you to explore the games and learn as much as you can.

>>121989291
fire is more or less just one of the many forms of light in the lore, alongside magic and lightning. It's more a 'light R gud. dark R bad' scenario.

>>121989291
>This lore seems less-developed than other games but it leaves some to the imagination. s'cool.

Yeah, it's true. Demon's is a well thought out Lore game. Then that game was a success, so From decided to make a legally distinct sequel that they could have on other consoles than PS3. The lore took a back seat and is a bit rushed.

>>121989291
>So is fire good and darkness bad?
Fire is the illusion of life outside of hollowing
Dark is the nature of man (pygmy based life)

It's basically the distinction between a comforting but ultimately untrue lie and struggling against ones nature to achieve something great
VS
Accepting what you are and what it means for your place in the world

Neither is inherently good or bad but your own attitude towards life is usually what ends up deciding which you go with

>>121989291
Eh kinda, kinda not. There is a lot hidden beneath the surface. But you have to be really interested to go full lore fag

>>121989672
BoC?

I'm holding out until the next big steam sales to grab SOTFS but the wait is tough.

>>121989990
Man I hope there's one soon. I finally ugraded to a DX11 card but $30 for a slight graphical upgrade and enemy repositioning is absurd

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>adding a North American maple tree species to a European medieval setting

Oh shit nigga what are you doing?

>>121990056
its $25 on greenman gaming but its still not worth it imo, I'm waiting for like $10.

>>121988963
>DSFix
>High-Res UI and Subtitle fonts
>Tree LowRes Texture Fix
>Anor Londo Better Distance Textures
>Improved Normal Arrows
>PS3 interactive icons
I would consider these the only essential mods, the rest are down to personal taste

>>121990271

I'd add

>Andres Cranial Ember

to essential too.

>>121990334
I wouldn't.

Which game had the best hud?

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>>121990334
>>121990496

>>121990931
i dont see much of a difference

>>121991005

It's subtle. But before they looked a little too round and doll like. Now they look a bit more like people, with more realistic face/skull shapes.

It's nice but ultimately superfluous since you rarely see people's faces up close.

picking up DS1 today. Looking at builds in the sticky. What's the joke about Crestfallen Warrior being #1? Is it noob gank bait?

if i have the base dark souls 2 and my friend buys the scholar of the first sin can we co op?

did the scholar of the first sin have the 3 crowns dlc?

>>121991095
no you cant coop with people from a different game
SOTFS and DaS2 have split multiplayer
and scholar has all the dlc

>have to kill manus with big weapons because lol 10 dex
>put lots of stuff into str and int which i can't use because to does basically no damage
At this point i'm going full havel +10 eagle shield greatsword

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Can someone give me a rundown on SotFS? What was changed compared to the vanilla game with DLCs?

I love DeS and DS, but never got DS2 for obvious reasons. Thinking of getting it on black friday or Christmas sale if it goes below 60% off.

>>121991270
SOTFS is an improved version of dark souls 2 that comes with all the DLC's
graphics are enhanced, new enemy placement and a few new items
that's it
it's still a shit game compared to the other souls games
it might be worth a try though

>>121991270
SotFS has all the DLC, adds a new character and a new ending, along with a shitty attempt to fix Soul Memory

>>121991383
Honestly, I just want to play it so I could call DS2 shit basing on my own experiences, rather than someone else's opinions.

>>121991467
yes
that's exactly what you should do

>>121988963
>>Dark Souls 2 Inspired HUD
no, there are better huds

>>121991826

such as?

>>121991851
vanilla ds1 hud

>>121991851
DeS's HUD for one.

>>121989663
What's the nature of creatures like Nadalia and, by extension, Fume Knight then? They clearly have power over both fire and dark.

>>121992075
Vanilla hud is hideous.

What's a fun build run for DS1? I've already done SL1 and I tried a sorcerer build and wanted to kill myself with how boring it is.

>>121992278
NG+7 SL 1 no-roll thief run

>>121991383
Does the normal version run better? because i have a toaster and there's nothing i can do about it

>tfw going to die before DS3
>tfw this is what I care about out of all things

I want to cry

>>121993109
are you terminally ill? or something?

If so, damn

>>121993109

Have you played every other game in the series? I really don't know what to say.

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>>121991851
dark humanity hud and some others in the nexus
also
>not using world tendency masterrace hud

>>121993109
don't worry it will be a bloodborne ripoff
i'm not really hyped for it

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>>121993458

>>121993439
Besides DeS, yes.

>>121993231
Something like that.

>>121993545
I highly doubt it, From already has another PS4 exclusive planned. I believe Miyazaki understands what makes the series good and can redeem that and keep building onto it.

>>121993458

The true Demon's Souls starts here.

>>121989065
>dscfix

http://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls/mods/334/?

that? it is not compatible though.

>>121993458
oh wow, this is utter horse shit

>>121990086
vikings had been in america before colombus

>>121994396
#rekt

Wish someone would add a "kick" button. Those are so hard to pull off intentionally.

>>121994861
you could macro it

>>121994960
>typical pkek
kek

>>121995550
>being mad that people have possibilities you don't
justifiable i suppose. although i thought some controllers also had some macroing capabilities

>>121996135
>mad
I'm just laughing because you are a typical pc specimen who resorts to cheating upon learning that something might be hard to do.

>calling pc cheaters when pc is the only with anti hack programs while ps3 and 360 are still full of hackers today

>>121996553
>macroing=cheating
HA
besides, i'm not the one who can't kick ;)

the austimanon is back

what build should I consider as my first run through Dark Souls? Normally, I don't do heavy magic in RPGs...should I make an exception?

>>121998647
Magic is pretty easy but you miss out all the rolling fun

>>121998647
Grab a shield and a sword or other weapon you like and keep your weight low enough to do fast rolls
Hit things until they die without getting hit
After that I'd suggest a completely different run through with magic or something due to the difference in style and longevity it provides

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I lost my PvP playlist, post your PvP jams.

I'll start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYYYew8CUI

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>>121998647
Fear the flame

>>121999792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObU__s-R9ro

>>121998647
Nah dude souls games are balanced around melee

Basically use magic or miracles if you are shit and want to cheese it. Otherwise melee is the only option.

>>122000563
miracles are not so shitty, most of them are balanced. for example you can use only one wrath of gods at very close range, now look at black magic/crystal soul spear that you can use multiple times at range

>>121998647
Do whatever you want your character to be. Self insertion is the road to happiness, Anon.

I never use a shield in a Souls game, pansy ass shit!

If you want to be a wizard, then go for it. If you want to be a samurai, go for that. Travelling cleric? Sure. Really, just be whatever you want to!

>>122001289
>Self insertion is the road to happiness
anon, that's lewd

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gibe ideas on how to make this better
i tried to make it have a ending, like this small thingy at the end of the bars but it dont work.

>>122001571
uhhhhhhhhhh

>>122001389
S-Sorry Anon-chan~

https://www.patreon.com/vaatividya?ty=h
Reminder that people like Vaati are what keep this community alive and you should consider kindling his channel by supporting him monetarily so that he can focus on making quality content for the community!

>>122003201
if you want me to kindle your channel you will first have to suck my humanity

>>122003201
I like the fact he says 'kindle the channel' to highlight the fact that a person loses their humanity when giving him tribute
it's fitting
>>122003485
*unzips dark hand*

>iron passage and blue smelter
>area is cramped and loaded with too many strong enemies
>smelter boss is cramped, floaty, and has practically no down time
>area is clearly designed for multiple people
>NPC summons are wet paper
>SM is too high to run into legit players

What a piece of shit.

dark souls PC invasions

still feasible?

>>122003686
Get gud, slut.

Exactly what do people don't like about Dark Souls 2? I started playing it a week ago and I love it. Haven't played the first one but I'll definitely try it some day

>>122003821
go back to reddit bamco apologist if you can only result to shitty memes instead of actual advice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfsaCFBZPAc
>dark magic

>>122003945
>Haven't played the first one
well there is your problem

>>122003945
>Haven't played the first one
Dark Souls 2 was made and marketed to appeal to people who haven't played the original. Its an OK game if you have literally no frame of reference, but compared to the original, and even under unbiased scrutiny, the game fails on multiple levels.

There are just a lot of really bad design choices and assets that were kept in SOLELY so the game could be marketed as a hard game. But the problem is that loading up small areas with huge, tanky, high damage dealing and super fast poorly animated fucks, while hard, is just tedious bullshit. The original Dark Souls was hard in some places, but there were very few times where it felt tedious.

What I think makes a lot of people hate Dark Souls 2 is that there is a great game in there, but it was soiled by just absolutely atrocious development.

>>122003686
>too many strong enemies
Unless you are doing a filthy magic user build (in which case kill yourself for whining in the first place), powerstanced katans or powerstanced greatswords will 1 shot the enemies there.
Hell even a 2 handed greatsword will stagger and 2 hit the knights.

And you only need to kill the first room, 2 in the second room and then its a free sprting down to the last room where you just wait for the magician to come to you, bait an attack from the big smelter dude and run to the fog.

It can be annoying but its like 5 mins at most, even less if you decide to skip more enemies

Also how about not doing optional coop areas solo and bitching about them being hard to solo?

>>122003802

Yes. AL, Duke's and Izalith at least seem to be active.

>>122004363
are there actually people still buying and playing the game or are they just people similar to me doing SL 70 invasions

>>122003802
Forest, Anal Rodeo, the 3 last areas (dukes, izalith, and tomb), and oolacile are still good for mid-high level pvp. Burg and Church still good for low level pvp.

>>122004340
ok nottanimura

>>122004458

People going through the game, some are clearly new but some know what they're doing. SL70 is perfect for the Lord Soul areas.

>>122004571
i know theyre perfect for lord soul areas, i was just hoping these are new players and not other people preying on new players like me

>>122004654
>i was just hoping these are new players and not other people preying on new players like me

This will happen if you invade in Anor Londo/Forest/Township. It's very rare to see that in other areas.

I just watched someone fight a snow tiger in DaS2 and then proceed to fight the same exact fucking boss but that time there was 2 of them.
What? This is fucking lazy.

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folded one mirrion times

>>122004921
>This is fucking lazy.
Pft the area before the tigers is the real joke

>>122004921
Maybe you should use a dual great sword build with the Faraam Set, you ungrateful fuck. You are literally playing the game wrong, git gud fgt, be sure to preorder Dark Souls 3 Grind Yah Ballsack Edition, and get the special Bandai Namco Dorito Code

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Some people claim that DaS2 improved on DaS in some areas. Can someone explain to me which ones, exactly? I can't figure it out myself.

>>122004921
>Fromsoft
>Lazy
I can't here you over all of these gargoyles

>>122005147
Anon you dumb fuck I was pointing out that its rather dumb to call an area "full of too strong enemies" when you can 1 shot them and they have absurd windups.


>>122005278
Shhh we can deal with the shitposting and neverending
>muh 8 direction rolling
>no its bad
>no its good
>no its bad
>you are bad
>I fuk ur mom
later.

>>122005278
Power Stancing.

Kitty pants

Some UI/Menu improvements

Gavlan and Ornifex

That's it.

>>122005278
>8 way rolling
>powerstancing
>using multiple consumables
that’s about it

>>122005278
Soul Memory.

Why is it so hard for DaS elitists to understand that different people like different things? Seriously, you guys are the worst shitposters in these threads.

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>>122005319
>>122004921
no no, game good, design good
pay more, you get fun more
make good fun for you soon, then more later if you pay

all happy

>>122005278
>Network connectivity
It's just better.
>overall PvP balance
You can build pretty much whatever and still win, assuming you're better than the opponent at the game. Game doesn't have a strict meta, so there is more build variety. Magic is also much more varied this time.

>>122005596
>I LIKE SHIT
>just deal with it
>u mad bro?
>*eats shit*
>now let me discuss shit with my friends in your thread

>>122005615
I mean they mostly do a lot more than good but man when they don't want to try they do not try at all

How do we save the Souls series? It's becoming a train wreck. Blood Babbs and DaS2bibbits no need to respond.

>>122005771
Fromsoft are very hit'n'miss company in general.

>>122005876
Keep playing your perfect masterpiece that is DaS/DeS and wanting the world not to go on without you, grampa.

>people in this thread actually think that DaS2 is a bad game
Hipsters. Yeah you got into the Souls series before DaS2 big fucking deal. No your broken ass Dark Magic bonanza is not that much better than DaS2.

>>122004921
I just watched someone fight a fat demon in DaS1 and then proceed to fight the same exact fucking boss and then AGAIN the same exact fucking boss.
What? This is fucking lazy.

>>122005984
>>122006003
>>122006037
Can we please get a DaS2 general for these straight out of Reddit DaS2 babbs?

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>>122005876
Do NOT let Bamco meddle, let the team take their time on it, have them make solid decisions, and for the love of god, if they have to rework the game, DON'T HAVE IT BE RIGHT BEFORE LAUNCH.

>>122006003
is this u bruh

>>122006119
We established this a few threads ago kiddo
a DaS/DeS only general would die because the only thing you post about is how bad DS2 is.

You are so offended by the games existence that you built your whole life around it, you care more about it than most people who like the game

>>122005876
We create separated Internet 2.5 for whiny faggots and let them bitch and moan at each other 24/7.
Rest will then play whatever they want and interact online without idiots shouting how they play the objectively wrong game.

>>122006228
>kiddo
>>>/r/darksouls2

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>>122006119
>Insult a game, call out its flaws
>People who like it defend it
>WAAA WAAA DaS2 BABBS
You're baiting pretty hard today

>>122006281
See, you are literally incapable of doing anything other than bitching about DS2 or bitching about people who like DS2.

Who would win in a fist fight Vendrick or Gwyn

>>122006516
How many giant souls does Gwyn have?
Jack and shit, Vendric wins by default.

When did DaS hipsters become so aggressive? Did we get an influx of newfags who are trying to fit in just a tad bit too hard?

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How the fuck do I kill this guy?

>>122006673
Git gut at rolling
Don´t get greedy

I think this thread proves the fact that DaS2 players aren't the problem, but these fucking dumb ass DaSfags who always start this shit.

>>122006669
I'm being aggressive because I wanted to play these two Dark Souls games before 3

I didn't want to despise Dark Souls 2, but I have no choice because of how obnoxiously bad it is.

I assure you, if it wasn't shit, I wouldn't be here bitching about it. I'm only here to vent

So when DaS3 comes out people will say that it's shit and tout DaS2 as a master piece.
It happened with DeS and DaS.
It happened with DaS and DaS2.
It will happen with DaS2 and DaS3.

Like seriously, these same fucking people said that DeS was hands down the better game when DaS came out. Enough said.

>>122006959
I would give Dark Souls 3 a fair judgement, but I swear, even if its bad, I won't be praising Dark Souls 2 over it.

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>>122006959
We cannot stop the cycle of hate memes

>>122006873
Go outside
Take walk
Breath fresh air
Talk to you friends and family jk

Jesus fucking christ anon you don't have to sit here all day bitching about a game that is generally like because it happens to offend your vision of what the games are supposed to be.

Fucking captcha are restaurants dining rooms now?

>>122006959
I've played all 4 and have been here since here was a reoccuring DeS thread on /v/

DaS > DeS >= DaS2 >>>>BloodBorne

>>122006669
well parrots are needing attention if don´t they are getting more and more aggressive till they get responses it is quite entertaining for a few minutes since they try to point out flaw which are already in their superior game
>>122006873
see a perfect example of blandness

>>122006959
natural progression on 4chan depends only which groups will scream louder till the point of your is reached till I will have some good chuckles

>>122006959
But they're right. DeS is still the best Souls game. It captures the atmosphere of what Souls game are supposed to be perfectly. DaS improved on some things but it couldn't reach the same heights when it came to that. And it's the most important aspect of Souls games.
DaS2 on the other hand was total shit. Enough said.

Is there a solution to the Alt+tab crash with Dsfix?

>>122007112
>I'm an oldfag so my opinions are facts

>>122007273
No I was just pointing out his entire fucking post was wrong and he is only shitposting to shitpost the shitposters.

Kill yourself

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>>122007353
>Kill yourself
>>>/b/
Hang out there until you dull that edge, son.

>>122007442
Kill yourself

>>122007657
>MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN XD

>>122006673
roll, roll, roll.

What weapons/armor or even Npc do you want to have a reappearance in DaS3?

>>122007442
He's right you know

>>122007864
An Invader with equal dickishness to Mauldron/someone with a similar entrance as Aldia, that explosion spooked the shit out of me like nothing else
Penetrator but this time he kills the other boss when he is at half health not before the fight

>>122007112
What makes bloodborne worse than ds2?
>inb4 muh variety

>>122006003
actually the hipsters are the ones that like ds2
everyone hates this shit

>>122007112
DaS>DeS>BB>>>>>>>>>>DS2

>>122008363
exclusive.

>>122007864
mother fuckin grosse messer.

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>>122007864
nothing related to bloodborne
sadly it will be bb2
but if i could have someone back i'd say ostrava, or some sucessor as oscar would be. if he is not giant and corrupt or something like old king doran seem to be.
i wish ds3 to have a magic feeling like ds1 had, with forests, magical things like mushrooms and golems, etc.

Are you guys laughing at me for wearing Northwarder Robes with Iron King Crown and Red Iron Twinblade?

>>122008363
DaS1-tier netcode.
Shitty invasion system.
Werewolves everywhere instead of giant armoured humanoids. Not "worse" per se, but not better either. Most of them are designed the same way and they follow the same pattern of 2-3 fast swings, then a slow and deadly one. Also the vast majority of them has instakill grab attacks.
Muh variety and muh PvP balance.
Although it is better than DeS. DeS has pretty much nothing going for it with the exception of lore and worldbuilding, which is good, but not good enough to make the game itself not shit. DeS bosses are really bad with the exception of 3 good ones and it has probably the shittiest PvP in the series. Bashing DeS is not really fair though, it was a brave experiment and the first game in the series.

>>122009860
verily

>>122010115
But muh PVE

>>122009860
>Red Iron Twinblade
It's hella ugly.

>>122009960
>werewolves everywhere
Have you played the game. This also seems to be your only pve complaint. Ds2 is hated for its pve and has good pvp matchmaking. While bloodborne is known for best pve and bad pvp matchmaking.

>>122010397
>Have you played the game.
Ye, but by werewolves I also meant every other ghoulish semi-quadruped boss. Should've worded it better.

>>122010740
You mean beasts? Because they're all quite varied in terms of moveset and design.

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The Rogue armor set sure looks nice.

>>122011142
Looks good on your female avatar you effeminate fuckboi

>>122011142
as opposed to your fat face, god damn

>>122009960
>Werewolves everywhere instead of giant armoured humanoids.
>Most of them are designed the same way and they follow the same pattern of 2-3 fast swings, then a slow and deadly one.
>Also the vast majority of them has instakill grab attacks.
Assuming you mean beast bosses this is wrong, both the numbers and design/moves.
You shouldn't comment on game you only saw for 15 minutes on youtube.
At least go through the wiki next time and familiarize yourself a bit more.

>>122011439
But anon vaaty said it it has to be right!
Don't even bother, same shit happened with DS2 "every boss is a giant armored enemy" thing, fact have nothing on e-fame

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>>122011279
>>122011336
rude

>>122010397
>best pve

lol?

>>122012065
Its an opinion a lot of people seem to have. Its the least flawed pve in the series.

>>122011941
Pretty qt

But you're still a fuckboi

>>12202279
it's fuccboi

>>122012749
You'd know wouldn't you, you little fuckboi

>>122003945

>playing the sequel before the original
>likely hasn't played Demon's either

>>122003945
it have horrible and boring and npcs/story/lore, and try to be deep and mysterious and ends up being nonsense.

>inb4 you are dumb and you don't understand the ~deep lore of ds2

>>122011941
>that fat nose
>pointy chin even though it's behind the lips, basically a lump pointing down
1/10 would not waifu

>>122003945
>love it
>havent played the first one
Well there you go

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>>122013316
>it have horrible and boring and npcs/story/lore, and try to be deep
Man, I advice you should stop drinking.
DaS1kids everyone

>>122013651
>>122011336
Why do people do this when they know the ds2 facemaker is shit? Like damn it looks decent at least, give em a break they're trying.

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>>122013702
>he think bland souls 2 have good npcs
you should stop bearer seek seek least

>>122011142

>no one will port nice DS2 armors to 1
>stuck with only one good hood in DS1

>>122013702
Just a wild guess here but I think english isnt his first language.
ds2kids everyone

>>122014049
>port anything from das2 to das1
niga pls you don't know what you are talking
and 90% of all armor of ds2 looks like shit.

>>122014191
NICE HOLLOW SOLDIER WAISTCLOTH, DAS1BABBIE

>>122014889
Nice armor that looks like plastic and weapons that look like toys DaS2 Fetus.

>>122014976
>i like chrome
talk about lack of taste LAMO

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>das vs das2

Which game did starting classes the best?

>>122015612
Does it matter?

>>122014889
>das2drones

>>122014976
stop replying this retard he just want attention

Okay, explain to me why DaS2 is bad without resorting to bullshit excuses like artificial difficulty, no atmosphere, bad pacing or lame looking bosses (just an opinion).

what does /dsg/ think of Lobos Jr?

>>121988726
Artorias probably made his covenant with Frampt. Kaathe is clearly a creature of the Abyss, and it's not unreasonable to suppose that the rest of the Serpents are, as well. Frampt is allied with Gwyn, and wants to halt the Abyss, AND is presumably a creature of the Abyss, like Kaathe

>>122016294
Shit bosses
>half are giant humanoids with relatively the same exact moveset
>1/4th are reused/reskinned

More useless shit stats and adaptability

Most, if not all, of the heavy armor looks retarded due to it either looking flimsy or like plastic.

The world makes no sense and nothing is connected.

There is no story. Here is the story summed up.
>you have a curse
>narrator tells you you have no idea why you are going to drangleic and you have no idea why you will be participating in the events of this game
>you walk into cabin old ladies laugh at you and say you are going to die a lot and lose all your souls (nice bamco "le ebin hard" reddit marketing there)
>you walk outside and just start killing shit, for no reason
>you get to a majula
>herald to tells you to seek the king and fight many hardships (again for no reason, you are just left to assume that there may be a cure to whatever curse you have)
>you venture off to fight the worlds 4 greatest souls because your path to the castle is blocked....by a small pile of rubble
And it sort of goes like that for about 4 hours of you killing anything in site because you have a curse. You have no idea what this curse is, if there is a cure, you were just told to kill shit and it would be hard. The only people who would even have a remote understanding of what this story is are players of the first game, and even then you go from being "story" to "deep lore"

The npcs are all trash. They never do anything. They live solely to service you and sit around in majula (that stupid bitch still hasn't talked to her fucking dad after sitting next to him for like ever). While in Dark Souls the npcs were more fleshed out. You never felt like the center of the universe because your needs came second to the needs of the NPCs. They went out and ventured and had fleshed out stories of their own.

Bringing back the 4 great ones, 4kids, and manus was just utter trash. There was no point for them to be in the game. (cont)

>farm for item A
>nothing but item B drops
>switch characters
>farm for item B
>nothing but item A
for fucks sake shit like this happens in every game

>>122015125
>not liking chrome
MEDIOCRE

>want to try magics
>staff of wisdom is 3/4 into the game
t-thanks from

>>122017187
Aldia. He's talked about all the goddamn time. Yet you never fight him. He has no story significance. He isn't even that great of a fight in Softs. He's just there so reddit fags can jerk off to their deep lore.

Level design is trash in a lot of areas.
>5-1 for the third fucking time
>aldias keep is literally a fucking hallway
>dragon aerie is just a pretty view
>amana is literally just walk from A to B and fight some guys, but WATER
>the wharf is literally nothing
>etc etc

Bonfire teleportation

Shit enemy designs

Shit enemies with overly tuned tracking or able to reset their animations on a whim

And many many many other shit that is more or less arguing semantics and I'd rather not get into it.


DaS2 is a GOOD game, but it doesn't stand up to it's predecessors in my and many others, opinion. It's still good, by all means and is better than most other trash that is made these days. Like fallout 4 for example.

>>122017451
You're lucky to get a staff at all IMO. If it was up to me you'd only be able to cast magic with bitch wands like in harry potter. Yesterday I dueled this dark magic fucktard in a DESIGNATED dueling zone and he 1 shotted me with some hex that took like half a second to cast. Where is the fun in that? Magic users should be gassed

>>122017187
But almost all of your points have exact parallels to DaS
>you walk outside and just start killing shit, for no reason
>herald to tells you to seek the king and fight many hardships (again for no reason, you are just left to assume that there may be a cure to whatever curse you have)
>you venture off to fight the worlds 4 greatest souls because your path to the castle is blocked....by a small pile of rubble
And I recall its blocked by a door that leads to Drangelic castle which I assume is what you're referring to.

>>122017807
>he couldn't dodge the Dark Magic
haha

>>122017878
>hello my name is Anon and I never played Demon's Souls, but I am going to pretend that I did and mistakenly assert that it's story was as badly handled as the one in DaS2
you're not fooling anyone

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>>122017187
>Shit bosses
Because DaS1 has plenty of good boss fights, right? Like arty and o&s and manus and sanctuary guardian and, whoopsie, by the looks if it I ran out of the good bosses to count since the rest are complete pushovers and hardly any better than DaS2 bosses.
Seriously, that's 4 legitimately good bosses out of twenty fucking six.
And I'm not even going to talk about DeS.

>>122018074
>Demon's Souls
I never mentioned this at all. And I didn't say it was badly handled I was stating that many of the points you brought up are similar if not the same as DaS.
Killing shit for no reason? Really? This game is about killing things.
>you venture off to fight the worlds 4 greatest souls because your path to the castle is blocked....by a small pile of rubble
>you venture off to fight the worlds 4 greatest souls because your path to the King is blocked....by Door made of rock

>>122018408
>implying that the two are comparable
>implying that a chest-high wall of rubble is comparable to a foot-thick stone door that's blocked by a powerful magic seal
wew lad good job

>>122017878
There is a path off to the right (or left?) near the shrine of winter and that path goes around the shrine and in fact you can get to the other end once you go through the shrine. That path is blocked off by a small pile of rubble.

>>122018465
I'm not a retard, I was just being generous.
Besides, I do like sanctuary guardian, at least he is relatively fast compared to the rest of the shit in the game.
My point still stands, though.

>>122018408
There is literally a path in the shaded woods that leads to the castle but it's blocked by a flexile sentry mob and a pile of chest high rubble.


Have you even played the game you are defending so vehemently, you fucking braindead retard?

Howcome I shitpost about 4 Kings one time and get mods on my ass but this faggot pretty much spams the same shit all the time and nobody does anything?

Fuck you guys

>>122019007
>DLC though brings the whole new experience.

in what way?

>>122018926
>shitpost about 4kings
You deserve it

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>>122019007
>Pinwheel
>Seath
>Good
>Bed of chaos
>Fight

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>>122019226
Rude desu

im kinda new to souls series
how does people gaining 99 of all reagents?
i usually see 99 repair powder, 99 throwing knifes, 99 cracked red eye orbs
are they actually farming that or there is something i dont know?

i just want to invade without playing stupid ass arena against people with SL and ping above 800.

>>122019402

You can buy them.

>>122019673
>dex

Bosses reused in Dark Souls
>Stray demon and demon firesage
>moonlight butterflies as regular enemies
>taurus and capra demons as regular enemies
>pinwheel as regular enemies
With DLC
>another sanctuary guardian fight

Bosses Reused in Dark Souls 2
>the giant in the memory
>pursuer 2 more times (1 of the times has two pursuers)
>double dragonriders
>flexile sentry used as enemies
>ruin sentinels used as enemies
>guardian dragon used as enemies
Reskinned bosses from 1
>royal rat dickings reskin of sif
>gargoyles
>old dragonslayer
Reused/Reskinned from DLC
>smelter
>covetous demon used as enemy
>lud and zallen
And just for good measure, the most lazily designed boss in all of Fromsoft games
>rat gangbang

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>>122019402
>ds2 is your first souls game

>>122019705
emm
no i cant?

>>122019818
I complited both demon souls and dark souls 1

>>122019806
>another sanctuary guardian fight
Nah theyre just enemies

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>two Pursuers in throne room in NG+

>>122019935

I haven't played DaS2 in a while but I'm pretty sure you can buy most things.

>repair powder
Wellager
>throwing knives
Merchant Hag Melentia
>creos
Blood Midget

>>122020110
>implying that lmao2pursuers is hard

>>122020145
but if i farm i will be out from soul memory range isnt that right?

>>122019753
>oh noes someone isn't str build better make fun of him!
fuck off faggot

>>122020194
Yes

>>122019935
>completed both des and ds1
>new to the souls series
Also you can buy throwing knives.

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>>122019806
>pursuer 2 more times (1 of the times has two pursuers)
>not supposed to pursue you

>>122019806
>pursuer 2 more times
you should play sotfs
pursuer shows up all the fucking time it gets boring after a while

>>122020370
how is he supposed to pursue me if I whooped his ass on the ramparts of the Old Fort? He's dead as dirt

>>122020243

You really shouldn't worry about SM. The re-release and the original game have been out for some time now. I think all SM tiers have players now.

>>122018702
>basing good bosses off of how hard they are
>basing good bosses off of how fast they are

This is why you are shit and you are the kind of person that ruins these games. Sif is a good boss, yes he is easy, but he's one of the best bosses in the history of fromsoft games. Bosses aren't just about how much 1 hit kill bullshit they have, or how extremely tuned they are.

Go play some cuhrayzee or some shit.

>>122020453
Hey, I liked how he invaded you all the time in the Bastille. The only thing that would have made it better is if he didn't retreat if you left his aggro zone

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I just can´t deal with those asshole giant knights, especially the mace ones.
Those faggots with their 270° tracking that never fucking stop swinging. I hate them so much.

>>122020560
Word.
People wanting to turn the Souls series into a cuhrayzee game or a MLG PvP shitfuck are the cancer that are killing this series.

>>122020560
>>122020765
Bloodborne is the absolute maximum amount of cuhrayzee that I'm willing to tolerate in the series

>>122020560

>The music for the fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJuO6RYCcpw

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>>122020560
sif is shit no matter how you turn it.
The first time I fought him he didn´t even attack me, I just hit his leg and he attacked some places in the room I´ve never even been until he died like a bitch.

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I should start playing DaS again.

>>122020765
This
I love the games pvp, but when the first thing people say when a new game is coming out is "if the pvp is shit i'm out" it boils my piss. The games aren't about pvp, stop trying to get the developers to turn this into esports or whatever meme bullshit because it won't happen. The pvp should be an after thought of these games. All I ask is that they give you a way to pvp without making you jump through hoops (SM, arena that takes items, no full eye orbs, grinding arena to get creos, whatever stupid invasion system that bloodborne had, etc).

>>122020476
>The Pursuer hunts down those branded by the curse, as if each Undead soul that he claims will atone one of his sins.
>his actual name translates as The Cursed
>character's name is Bearer of the Curse
He's just like you, so him returning from the grave is one of the most logical things in DaS2.
But I willing to admit that they kinda fucked it up by introducing 2 pursuers in the throne room. You can sorta draw parallels between him and Darklurker, who is also a creature of dark able to split into two identical copies, but that's a flimsy ass explanation.
Sasuga fromsoft.

>>122021413
>murdering innocent dindu undeads left and right
>BUT SURELY THIS ACT OF SENSELESS VIOLENCE WILL ATONE FOR MY SINS
gg pursuer

>>122021413
It's NG+ they ain't gotta explain shiet

>>122021413
If he's cursed like the player is, if he would stop swinging his sword around to teach me where he learned those fancy hovering and teleporting powers, that'd be great

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>>122020560
What? Like, am I supposed to be super-immersed and impressed by a shitty one-dimentional hachiko knockoff story of POOR DOGGIE being faithful to it's owner? Or the music >>122020935 that is just more classical DaS1 "OOOH OOH OHH" chanting?
Just because you're as easily impressed as a fucking toddler doesn't mean the boss is actually good.

>>122021329
It's not that pvp isn't the focus, it's that asymmetrical pvp is. The invader-host dynamic is unremovable from the series' pvp structure and balancing system. PvP isn't the issue, arena/honorduel tryhards are

>>122021836
Tip your fedora harder please I WISH I was as cool as you.

>>122021841
Just so you know if you attack someone during a gesture you should be gassed.

>>122021836
>smug anime reaction image
>HAHA LOOK AT THESE LOSERS WHO CARE ABOUT THE LORE, TRUE HARDCORE FANS LIKE ME DON'T GIVE A FUCK
opinion discarded
>>>/trash/

>>122022015
>gesturing during a "real" invasion
asking for it tbqh pham

>>122022228
I let them gesture, buff and even get the first hit in sometimes.

It's 2015 anon

>>122019753
>sex

>>122021990
>>122022105
He's right though. There's nothing impressive about that boss.

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>>122021841
>asymmetrical pvp
>The invader-host dynamic is unremovable from the series' pvp structure and balancing system. PvP isn't the issue, arena/honorduel tryhards are
>mfw I'm a hipster tryhard
>mfw invaders can chug in DaS3 too
>mfw they get 2 estus charges for every phantom slain
The age of ganking is over.

>>121991095
>>121991167
Depends on what platform you're playing on.

PC has different servers for Vanilla and SotFS.
Consoles share servers.

>>122022015
if you gesture within range of the enemy, you beg for that jumping/running attack. being ebin has its price

>>122023298
I'm sorry, I didn't realize people in dsg don't actually play dsg just post

>>122023298
>Consoles share servers.

Really? Didn't know.

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>>122022015
>struggle to get through this shitty area
>then some faggot that doesn´t gain really shit from killing me invades
>he thinks I´m gonna wait for him to pull of some "honoable duel" bullshit when he just came to murder me and I have no way to refuse

>>122023562
>>122023525
I didn't mean all consoles share the same servers. I guess I just worded it wrong.

If you're playing on say, PS3, you can connect to anyone else on PS3 playing either Vanilla or SotFS.

>>122022015
You sound like the kind of guy who black crystal's out because someone attacked you while you were casting your 3rd buff

Where do all the SL90-100's hang out in pc DaS?

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>friend of mine tries DaS2: Scholar of the First Gang Rape for the first time
>is dumb enough to enter Company of Champs
>reaches Iron Keep and gets spitroasted by Sanic Knigts and the Smelly Demon
>eventually he pulls through, after something like fifty deaths
>"thank FUCK I'll never have to deal with that shitty ass fucking boss again
>mfw he walks through the fog gate in Iron Passage

>>122005278
>Menus
>Movement feels smoother
>Shitton of weapon and armor
That's all I got

>>122025028
>>Movement feels smoother
Bullshit.

t. DaS2 player

The ability to choose animations would be great. Sometimes weapons have shitty animations, and having some choice would be nice.

Example, Scimitar:
>can choose a spin double attack or strong swing for hard attack

>>122005278
>menus
>using multiple consumables at once
>ability to see what boss weapons can be made without needing the prereqs already in your inventory
>powerstancing

>>122025238

And the screen to choose the animations is on the main menu. It gives you a preview of the animations and it tells you what kind of damage it does.

>>122025238
>>122025364
Pls no

>>122025184
Well it is.

The animation is floaty and has no weight at all but just running around feels smooth as fuck.

>>122025439

Great weapons get stuck with shitty animations. Animations are actually MORE important than anything.

>>122025556
Which game are we talking about?

DaS had a lot of GOAT weapon animations.

>>122025498
And it's shit. It's not improvement at all.
I'm glad they are going to bring fast-paced combat in DaS3.

>>122025719

Demon's:

>Strong Scimitar/Falchion attack is a hard swing

Dark:
>Strong Scimitar/Falchion attack is a girly jump-spin attack

Just asking for more options really.

>>122025901
Weapon Arts look like they'd add a lot of diversity to each weapon class, I just wonder whether or not different weapons from the same class will have different arts

>>122024807

He must be dual wielding. Dual wielding vs playing with a shield is like playing two different games. I had to use terrain, kiting and positioning to my advantage to preserve my rectum.

Like that one pit in Harvest valley with like 6 sickle wielding monsters. I stood no chance until I figured out I have to spread them out and lure them up a ramp. Lots of z axis kiting in this game.

>>122025348
but you need the soul to have been in your inventory and there are no other prereqs
i'd replace it with
>more straightforward upgrading/crafting system

>>122026265
No, I mean, in DaS2 you could see what boss weapons could be made with what soul, without needing to have +10 daggers / +10 swords / +10 axes and stuff in your inventory. Made everything WAY simpler IMO -- you didn't need to keep an army of +10 trash weps in your inventory on the off chance that some boss weapon in the future might require them

>>122018074
demon's souls have the best ''story'' of all, it's the only one that actually tells to you face where you are, what are you doing, why and what happened, without lies and b8s.

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I'm doing a SL 1 play through and I need some tips. Also need help figuring out what armor I can use and still fast roll.

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FAGGOT
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G
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>>122027916

There's probably SL1 guides out there.

Also I think Wanderer's is the highest defense armor that has fast roll.

>>122027916
I think it's a given that you're going to want to grab FAP ring and maybe Havel's

That should leave you with quite a few armour options

>>122027916
Lightning Reinforced Club

>>122028386
why is the Wanderer's armor so based?

>play ds1
>bored
>play ds2
>bored
guess it's time to move on

>do anything
>bored
i hate myself

>>122028884
I think you get a small bleed bonus if you infuse it with Chaos or Fire.

>>122029168

If you play a game too much it gets boring. This is natural. Give it a few years and then return to it if you want to.

>>122029014

No clue. It's just so damn good. It has a level of defense associated with metal armor, is light, and looks cool.

>>122029270
you could always play h-games

>>122027916
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls

>playing through dark souls 2 again
>feels like almost no one is playing
is it true? I kind of miss being a dick in the rat place

>>122029563
i dont have fucking libido

Reminder:

Murdering Patches is the just and moral thing to do.

>>122030330
ironically without patches rhea would die

>>122030293
literally kill yourself, then

>>122030219
It feels dead because nobody summons because the bosses are easy, and nobody invades because of the lack of a full eye orb.

>>122030293
Learn Java

If you use Chameleon with a body buff like Cloranthry Ring or PW, can you see the glow when you're disguised?

>>122030842
Yes

>>122030460
>implying i would see the blink down there my self
>prism stones existing

>Demon's PC version never

Someone make a PS3 emulator that doesn't suck.

>>122031126
>PCbabbs will NEVER EVER get to play the true master piece of Souls games aka DeS

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>>122031381

Should I bother with the DLC on NG+? I'm really just going for the miracles and pyromancies from Wellager in NG++

>>122031704
Which DLC is it, Anon?

>>122031848
The Lost Crowns DLC, which I already did

I figure I'll do it in NG++ anyways so I'll just skip it in NG+

Aaaaaa fuck. Started playing demon's souls and really got into it. On my second playthrough now and decided to try to get all the trophies. While trying to get my character tendency to white I killed the named NPC BP's but forgot that I can't use soulsucker on them. Well, I did. I've also killed all the bosses but the 1-4.
Do you guys know how active people are with invading and around what level should I be? I'm currently 176 and worry that that might be too much.

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>>122032875
>DeS
>SL176
You might be a little too high.

>>122032875
What NG are you in?

>>122019806
>rat gangbang

I can't really call this lazily designed. It was an interesting idea (to have the boss hidden in a swarm of near identical enemies but piss weak) just not particularly well balanced, in part because the Souls combat system is not really optimized well for dealing with multiple enemies.

Which is unfortunately a running theme in DaS2 boss design, instead of thinking of challenging move sets just throw scenarios that the game's controls and camera don't handle well at the player. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't do it constantly. DeS got away with Maneaters because it was more or less a unique encounter. DaS gets away with it when they copypasta Maneaters into the Gargoyles for similar reasons, same with O&S.

>>121989193

Nope, that hate comes from all the PCfags that didn´t play it.

What the fuck was From thinking when they shat out Storm King? I just can't wrap my mind around that one.

>>122004165
>ray dimithri or whatever
I hate that faggot

>>122036475
for what purpose

>>122036475
are you jealous of his superior skills and waifus?

>>122035151
I feel sorry for them, though I admit, I have DaS on PC because the steam sale was the cheapest I'd ever seen it, and I can just play with my DualShock. PCplayers don't actually try to use that horrendous keyboard layout to play, do they?

To date, DeS is one of only 3 games I have every trophy for, the other being Prototype and Dragon's Crown

Anyone using X360CE? Do you get a lot of input lag? Sometimes my rolls don't even go through it drives me nuts.

>>122033587
Maneaters got away with it because it was interesting

DaS got away with it because both areas where you fight the boss in were extremely large and open and camera controls are piss easy and there was no pitfalls. I bet you are one of those fags who locks on.

A better comparison would be duel dragon riders since a dragon rider is basically off camera for most of the fight, or congregation since there are a lot of enemies in a very tight space.

>>122035786
Easiest Bossfight of the the game after Phalanx.

Outside of the easymode of it all, they probably did something like

>hey guys, this shrine of storms world needs some air based enemies to make the storm part valid
>hmmmm, how about something that shoots projectiles at the player that melee will be forced to learn archery or magic to deal with
>sounds good. what kinda monster should we do?
>hmmmm, whats the deadliest thing you can come up with that is still relatively frail and easy to kill
>......I've fucking got it guys
>???
>Stingrays. That fly.
>...
>Hey, they killed fucking Steve Irwin. Our players better be careful.
>...BRILLIANT!
>Make the final boss of the stage a giant one.
>Fuck yes! Manta king!
>No you fool... The Storm King
>*approved*

>>122017704
>Like fallout 4

>>122037473
>congregation
took me a minute to even remember who and where they where, and than another to remember if they where even a boss fight.

What's a fun class to start in Demon Souls?

>>122037965
Anything but Royal.