/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Lets do our best today, /rlg/! Surely we can ascend with the orb if we do our best!

Crawl should incorporate the tournament badges into the base game. Conducts are fun.

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And check out Forays to Norrendin: http://forays.github.io/ !

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W-what was I even supposed to do.
It moved next to me before I could see it, froze me before I could act, and then promptly murdered me before I could touch it.

>>121937884
try playing a better game.

So that is the most runes ever on MuMo right?

>>121937974
No.

>>121937974
Nope
Dicks got 3 once before dying in Tomb

http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/realizingwhyifist/morgue-realizingwhyifist-20150421-211208.txt

>>121937884
>hits iceblock

Why didn't you use your wild infusion?

>>121937950
/rlg/ seems to generally think all the games I like are shit and I think the games most of /rlg/ likes are shit so I just post whatever I'm currently doing and hope there's another player around.

Coolthulu improved NPCs yet again

>Enhance NPC give item, allow sorting NPC's armor

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/13971

I love that guy. Thanks to him we may have a functioning game for next year.

>>121938184
This is the adequate mindset. Congratulations.

>>121938116
Because it wasn't only my character that didn't see that, I was just walking around and I failed to notice an unique had moved next to me, frozen my character and taken away most of my hp in a single turn while there was previously nothing in the screen.

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>>121938184
>/rlg/ seems to generally think all the games I like are shit and I think the games most of /rlg/ likes are shit

Have you ever thought that maybe you're in the wrong general?

Never liked band variants thanks to being a DCSS babby but holy shit sil is really good and simple, totally blows away the little I've played of poschengband

How do you guys distribute exp, set to auto or manual? (im new)
And why is it that i dont get the message to increase strength, intelligence or dexterity every time i level up instead its only between 3-5 levels?

>>121938475
manual, first weapon then defense. Read the pasta.

>>121938414
Well you should've used infusion instead of hitting the iceblock and disengaged and walked away.
Completely avoidable.
What you're saying is that your fault was a doubletap, which is understandable but is the stupidest fault.

>>121938475
>How do you guys distribute exp, set to auto or manual? (im new)
read the pasta
>And why is it that i dont get the message to increase strength, intelligence or dexterity every time i level up instead its only between 3-5 levels?
that is how it is supposed to work

>>121938427
They're all roguelikes shitposter kun

>>121938624
>>121938608
aight thanks

>>121938608
I believe there was some way to configure your keyboard so it'd limit the amount of times you'd be able to type the same character in a short amount of time. It's not the first time that happens so I think I'll do that.

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>>121938218
NPC rape option when

>weak-ish character
>no pots of HW after I identify the first two in early-game
>get second acquirement at XL20
>go for wands
>heal wounds
>plenty of recharging
Is there a better feeling?

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>>121938963

>>121937591
Gotta bait your hook a little better than that. I'm reluctant to try new things.

>>121939029
Actually I even thought about making one myself once, of cource I never did, but still. I can imagine how it would be synergized with traits and stats and all that, it shouldn't be potentially that hard to make, but I don't know many nuances in the code though.
Of cource this is one of such ideas that sounds cool, but then you fap and it starts sounding like shit.

>>121938608
That shit is the worst. Terrible tedium followed by a doubletap dywypi? cause you finally hit something serious. When getting about and all the popcorn is so damn boring it's agony to skitter around slowly.

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>>121939506
wouldn't you also want to add lewd CGs somehow?
or at the very least lewd things in a tileset?
or would you be going full text lewd for pure IMAGINATION?
make this mod already anon

>>121939735
Honestly I'm too lazy and too shit in coding to seriously consider it at this point, maybe one day. But if anyone would ever consider it, I would be glad to share my ideas and moral support and give them my blessing.

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>>121939735
All that beautiful and tender rape.
I can already imagine it.
That anon needs to get on it pronto.

Anyone got that poscheng dump chris made as a teaser for the new poscheng version?

wow xtahua is fucking dying

>>121940525
http://angband.oook.cz/screen-show.php?id=3285

>>121940561
Good job anon! Now butcher him to get a nice FDA.
>>121940637
thanks mate

>>121940637

I can fap to that.

whatever happened to whips of reaching? were they deemed bloat and removed?

>>121943530
yes.

Long ago

>>121938963
I'd love to see the old guard devs' response to that.

>Playing TrHu to win a No-god run
>Jivya altar on D:8

Pls don't do this to me ;_;

>>121945843
Jiyva is more rare than a no-god run. Take it.

>playing OpAs, kill some hobgoblin while aggroing another one that promptly uses a wand of poly on me to turn me into a tree (the lignification potion kind) before coming into melee and dying
>massive amount of enemies, including a full orc party and a player ghost rolls in to investigate the noise
>they dont notice me and I have enought time for the transformation to wear off and walk away
So is this the hiding in plain sight thingy?

>You hear a distant snort.
>You fall through a shaft for three floors
>You fall through a shaft in sight of 2 black mambas and spiny frogs

>>121946636
Need more Traps and doors skill and don't forget to search walk for 5 steps every 17 paces for the most economical chance of survival vs quality of play.

>>121947183
>search walk
Does not work in Crawl.

>>121947715
It's a joke, anon. Obviously.

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What roguelike got cool crafting/alchemy stuff?

>>121947715
You press search, take a step, repeat for 5 steps every 17 steps. They ran the crunch on detection ranges and chances to get it.

>>121947965
Do you think this is a motherfucking game?

>>121948882
Trap searching is deterministic in Crawl. You either find a trap or you don't. I think that might change if you level up, but spending more time next to a trap won't help you reveal it.

>>121948742
DDA
Sil has smithing but I don't think the system is particularly fun.

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>go shining one just so she can bless an executioner's axe
>enter elf early for hall of blades
>forgot there's no hall of blades in elf in .15
>push ahead to elf:3 vaults
>nothing but garbage there too

why do I keep going to elven halls

>>121950202
Ego gear, more jewelry, spell books, staves, chance for rods, and a good pile of evocables and the rune from the basement?

>>121948742
Dungeons of Dredmor.
Well, no, the crafting is actually awful because of the inventory management.

>>121950691
Man... What could have been if the ui wasn't garbage

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So, I haven't played DDA in forever, but I saw the broken cyborg profession and I just HAD to try it out.

I look forward to spook the fuck out of my NPC friends, then eating them.

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I like where this is going

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wombo-combo'd by jorgrun. I used potion of cancellation and step from time, but that fuck just kept spamming petrify

fuck

then after I died I realized I had a ring of MR which woulda brought me to MR+++

why am I so bad

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THERE WAS AN ANGRY NPC IN MY BASEMENT
HE TOLD ME TO PUT DOWN MY WEAPON BUT I ONLY HAD MY FISTS
I SAID OKAY THEN I WALKED UPSTAIRS
NOW HE'S ANGRY AND HE HAS A GUN
MY NPC WON'T SHOOT HIM

I guess I remember why I stopped playing DDA

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Why don't NPCs attack NPCs

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I'm back in the game, lads.

This time I will make /rlg/-chan proud for sure.

Oh man, with Oppressor, Headless only takes 6 damage from an Easg Saint's Humble.

And apparently now I trapped a zombie bio operator in my basement
he knew how to get downstairs but he has no idea how to get back up
I GUESS

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>2 Acq, 3 Benemut, +12 Flail {Freeze}, +2 Waraxe of Elec
>randart Plate, short sword, whip, cloak(from acq)
>more followers than i could ever use
>haven't even taken lair or Orcish Mines yet
How hard am I going to splat?

>>121952871
>Skellington
I'm already proud of your good taste.

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Why are there so fucking many of them.

>>121953696
Play like you got none of that and you'll make it. Overconfidence is the delver killer.

>>121938343
how to switch gods: the weapon

>>121953730
Is this the new release with smaller floors?

>>121950202
>she

>>121954171
>he doesn't play as a cute girl

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>>121954252

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Oh well. I guess I'll move on to the next version now.

This shit IS fixed in the next version, right?

>>121954807
No, but they did change the character sprites to look like absolute ass.

Also, are there any AI improvements? Stuff like demons actually walking away from the shit they have no business fighting, and no suicide pouncing/haunting.

>>121952436
There's now a setting for NPC spawn density. Turn it WAY down. Something like 0.05 should do it.
NPCs will still be broken as ever, but you'll be more willing to forgive them when you can go weeks without seeing one.

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I didn't realize what they were at first. Time for some MiBe tier face rolling.

>>121956156
There's an option to use the old ones.

>>121956219
>now
There have been one for a long time
Also when you put it low it feels even worse, I still remember that fucker who spawned in my LMOE shelter and headshotted me after months of hard survival

>>121953720
mr skeltal is my preferred race. Dat fukken shield.

>>121956964
>I still remember that fucker who spawned in my LMOE shelter and headshotted me after months of hard survival
Outplayed.

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>>121956538
Wow.

How high would you recommend leveling throwing on a troll? Assuming trog or oka for ammo. I had like 14 unarmed, 10 throwing, 10 fighting, 6 dodge/armor and 4 stealth last one I played, seemed to go pretty well.

Also is armor even useful to level when you only have a robe, cape, and a hat?

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Won't be long now.

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>it drains experience
RNG pls

Should I report this?

>>121960294
>ruks
27

>>121960781
Why'd you change over to tiles anyhow? Will there be ASCII too?

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>>121961018
Whoops/

>>121960781
officially requesting lewd commands that never work

>>121956156
>no
have you even played the new version senpai

Is there a way to tell where each coordinates are in prospector?

>>121960781
What is this
Are you making it?

>>121962647
not that guy but I didn't notice smaller floors in the version with new tiles, was there another release or am I just oblivious

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>>121961018
ASCII version looks really bad for some reason, but it's trivial to switch back and worth even in-game.

>>121961214
You get what you pay for, anon.

>>121963085
Blog says there was another one on the 9th. I haven't tried it yet though.

>tfw You'll never get to play as a stupidly OP gargoyle again with fangs 1, talons 1, slow metabolism 1, and +1 maces

What's a good checklist of stuff to have before getting to medusa in vanilla Nethack?

>>121958264
>don't wear it, it's dirty

What an intense, action packed floor of Dreadfell.

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>>121964226
I forgot the image

>>121964460
Time to break out the clairvoyance, lad.

Reaver pride world wide.

>>121963950
A mirror or reflection, telepathy, and a blindfold.
Most other things on the level shouldn't be hard, except for the Titan version and the Angelic monster that spawns sometimes.

>>121964460
>level 13
>dreadfell
YOU ARE GOING TO DIE

>>121963950
Reflection or a way to blind yourself to not die to Medusa.
A way to cross water (there's a bunch) or dig to get through the level. I guess you technically don't need the first if you plan to dig and remember not to go upstairs.
An instrument is handy for the castle but you don't need it.

>>121964460
Dig in a random direction.

>>121963818
I'll comfort myself by playing the supidly OP gargoyle we have now.

>>121965216
He looks pretty sturdy, and there's usually enough shit in dreadfell to gain a few levels. He definitely should go back and complete a few more dungeons before attempting the master though.

>>121963818
don't forget permaflight

>>121967924
>He looks pretty sturdy
He can get killed in one shot by an armored skeleton warrior.

>>121968112
This, or any of the Dreadfell uniques.

>>121965216
I made it to level 9, but I got wrecked by a rare ghast having 30+ damage diseases and a rare wight using Call of Amakthel to pull me off the stairs.
I've actually managed to kill the master with a level 17 reaver before, so it's not too hard if you play right and get good gear.

>>121968112
They really weren't that dangerous. I could two-shot them pretty easily, since I found two nice stralite one-handers. I pretty much bulldozed through all of the ones I encountered.

>>121968380
I managed to beat Borfast, but I had to skip Filio because he had too much defense.

>>121968112
>>121968380
What difficulty setting is it? I'm pretty sure nothing in dreadfell is strong enough to do over 400 damage in a single turn to that character, not even the Master.

At what point will a Staff of Earth become better than a +8 Quarterstaff of Antimagic

>>121968590
Just because you can kill something in two hits doesn't mean it can't kill you in one hit.

>>121970018
I forgot to mention, but they didn't do that much damage. I don't remember getting hit by them, but I was only playing on normal difficulty so I doubt they would have done anything upwards of 150 before taking things like armor into account. I also had a shield rune and bone shield, which makes it pretty hard to die to burst damage.

>>121968904
depends on character and your plans

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For what purpose?

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I-is this what it feels like to be comfy?
all this MR+ gear I'm not finding will be the death of me, I just know it.

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VS are really strong. Even without the hat, this character was a defensive dynamo. First time I've ever grabbed 3 runes, skipped vaults, gone straight to depths, gone straight to zot and did the orb run.

>>121971293
MR++ should be enough except shoals.

>>121971856
No Shoals, just Spider and Swamp. MR++ is enough to avoid most Paralyze casts? That's pretty much all I'm worried about.

>>121972148
With MR++, it should be a really low % of happening. 15% tops. You just have to make sure you're positioned well to avoid happy accidents when you're fighting enemies with paralyze.

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it knows

>>121972618
>RED DRAGON
>Clearly mottled
The flail knows all.

In DDA is there a way to get NPC's to use stairs and follow you through them?

>>121938184
Don't worry anon, you're not the only Tome4 player here.

I have been trying to play Insane Roguelike, but I keep getting my ass handed to me. Nightmare isn't too bad, but I have no idea how people do Insane or Madness.

It seems like you really need to abuse as much scummy shit as you can to get anywhere on the higher difficulties: drowning town NPC rares for early drops and XP, jumping in the lumberjack camp as soon as you can for drops and XP, playing the most broken character builds that exist, etc.

Tome4 is one of those games that I just *want* to like despite its flaws -- but it really feels fundamentally unfair on higher difficulties, and not in a good way, more in a RNG horseshit way.

>>121974171
It literally says Insane and higher is unfair, the fuck are you on?

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I've decided another change should be made to the team's (/vg/ league) music selection.
As great as the Elona Login music is, its just too repetitive to be an anthem. They only play the anthems for about 45 seconds, and that isnt enough for the Elona music to "get" anywhere.
So I'd suggestions on a new anthem.
Here's our current one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYlHl_1niWw

>>121974742
Other important info:
We are already signed up for /vg/ League 5, which begins in December! Get hype!
Aesthetic and Tactical deadline is on the 25th, which I and some 4CC pals of mine are working on.
There are friendlies on the 28th, but we are not participating. Although, afterwards they will have thew draw to determine which group we are in and who we are playing.
For some roster members I'm not necessarily the best at explaining them, so I'd like the general to work on them for me (Sorry I'm a DCSS babby).
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/_Roster

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>Playing brogue
>Really good run so far, wearing +8 plate armor and other nice things
>Floor 24th, via telepathy I see 2 chained dragons, I already have one pet dragon
>Awww yeah
>Start heading that way
>Kill a dragon along the way
>Somehow I end between a lich and a horror
>They kill my dragon
>I back down while casting some shit
>End up on a vent
>Mob steps on a flood trigger and then on a paralysis trigger
>Hope my paralysis wears off before theirs
>A dick phantom kills me
God fucking dammit. I always die to being greedy, I should have just plunged down.

>>121971296
Gratz

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you can say that again

>>121972148
you're gonna run into dozens of enemies throughout a game of DCSS that know paralyze, if you you only have MR++, statistically you're very likely to get paralyzed a few times

>>121975080
RIP
What was your build?

>>121976529
Dozens might be a bit of an exaggeration unless he is doing a 15 rune run. He'll for sure fight a good number of orc sorcerors, and maybe a few each of vampire knights, sphinxes and orb eyes in depths. After those, paralyze is mostly randomized and can largely be ignored. He can mitigate much of the danger by positioning himself well.

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Finally got a win for the tournament.
Death Cobs are fucking unbelievable now. Unless you're top evade they fuck you up so bad. I had to leave Zot to buy food at one point.

>>121977794
I'm so sad they buffed death cobs. They were probably my favorite joke monster, barely beating out toenail golems.

>>121977794
New death cobs are fucking awful. I find a minivault that had 5 fucking cobs all sleeping. I went from gorged to starving fighting 3 of them. Thank god for stealth.

>>121978295
Hold up you're saying you fought 3 death cobs simultaneously and lived to tell teh tale?

>>121978745
I was purposefully gorging myself so that I wouldn't die to such a thing. But it was more like I killed 1 while the others were wandering, and than fought 2 as I was putting some distance between where I fought the first and the initial spot where they were sleeping. I didn't have time to eat more between any of the fighting though. 3 would have been something else.

>>121977794
Congrats man

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I magic mapped the previous floor and this is the only reachable stairway to this level.

I'm too much of a badplayer to handle this.
RIP

>>121978295
Since I had 12 EV I went to starving multiple times every encounter. After the first time I nearly died I started using Sack of Spiders and Rod of the Swarm on sight.

I think they'd be a lot more manageable with a higher EV.

>>121979114
What the fuck?

>>121979114
Post your save?
That's total bullshit.
99.99% of characters probably couldn't get through that without a random teleport landing them deeper in the level.

>>121979223
Oh definitely. I find that even with great EV, you'll still drop from atleast gorged to full~hungry. I hope they tone them down a little, they turn so many situations into panic teleports.

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>>121952871
>pick a fight with an adventurer squad
>salivate over delicious loot pinata
>archer demolishes my butt and replaces it with an all-you-can-eat buffet
Hubris, boys.

>>121979114
You can go further if you have 2 blink scrolls or blind teleport, but you won't be able to go back up. That is a seriously OoD creature though, holy shit. None of your mummy shenanigans can kill that.

>>121938990
actually winning

>>121938343
>flame
Shit

>>121979343
I have a char dump. I don't know how to export saves from webtiles.

>>121979448
Thanks. I weak on scrolls though. I got 1 para wand and 1 confusion wand. And the wizard starting spells!

>>121952312
Learn from your mistakes anon

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>>121977636
Replay screencap. Just melee, nothing fancy.

>>121971228
Thats nothing

>>121975675
LOL, youre already dead

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With the wise guidance of a fellow anon, I've escaped the nasty vault using my last and only unidentified scroll of teleportation.

At last, I have returned to the warm welcome of stairdancing.

>level 4 character meets a crocodile in a sewer
>can't run away because I passed through shallow water
o-okay

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What a day to be a draconian mage

>>121960294
No though i'd imagine you'd get a ateam/mottled or other dragon armor

>>121956964
that kind of is the apocalypse experience though. Gotta get yourself a little den and decide how much you want to board it up/put land mines and other traps to prevent shit. Had a similar experience and only surviving through the power of a .45 smg. Hell, dconsidering how much we hunt and abuse them it's only kind of fair.

>>121979997
Paste it into pastebin.com

>>121980287
Can you give tips on how to build and the difficulty curve as melee? It's never clicked for me.

>>121981234
Trial and error, once you do it once, you'll always know croc sewer

>Set up a net trap on d:5 to kil la d:4 ogre that's blocking the way
>Get blocked by a pink jelly hidden in a potion of darkness I threw earlier
>Have to use my extremely lucky second scroll of teleport on stupid shit
Feels bad man when you get out fukken skilled by a brainless mass of dick jello

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How do you play a GrEE? Last time I tried playing it some 100+ characters ago, I couldn't survive further than D:3. This one seems to be doing pretty well though.

I figured I'd make him a melee fighter with some ranged magic as a backup, so I have 10 in Earth, 7 in M&F and 4 in Spellcasting and Fighting so far. Strength is a bit low though and I wonder if I'll be able to keep it up. What should I focus on? M&F to min delay? I can cast LRD with 14% failure even with buckler on. What armor should I aim for?

And the last question, which god would be good for a melee fighting GrEE? I cleared D:6, still no Temple, the only altars I found so far were Sif Muna, Dithmenos and Fedhas.

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>>121987923
>I can't survive with a character with infinite rpois and free AC

>>121981234
>>can't run away because I passed through shallow water

There is usually a zerk potion behind the Crocodile that might help you out.

>>121984439
>Laharl

Disgaea OP.

>>121987923
>Worship Vehumet
>Train/cast Earth spells
>Don't worry about muh armour because Gr get amazing AC and GDR anyway

>>121988035
>I'm unable to comprehend there's not much "free AC" on level 1
I was really bad back then though, the "I hit it and it kills me why does it happen" level.

>>121988146
>I'm unable to comprehend there's not much "free AC" on level 1

>I'm unable to comprehend that mummy monks have reached D11 with only 6 AC
>and they have started with 0 on D1
>and they kept having 0 AC until D8

Dude come on. You have a robe and free AC at D1, you don't need anything more.

>>121987923
Pile into conj double earth mostly. Stones sandblast hard shit and a lot of pillar dancing early on getting earth to 5 or 6 or so so it's worth a damn. Get starrow castable then get it to max spellpower learning petrify, leaning on earth magic to haul its spellpower, and LRD on the way. Starrow spam and either straight up running first or petrifyrunning lets you manage groups and escape if you bottom out your MP on starrow spam. While inadvisable, you can zap some weakling in the lead of a group with petrify then LRD off that though it brings everything near. Especially if you didn't kite it back a screen or so into explored map first. From then it's all god choice and drops. If you don't plan on going for shatter and an extended game you can main conjurations and you can poorly use most spellbooks you find with L5/6 spells until you get iron shot/LCS. Nearly any god works, just know what it does and how you can utilize that with what you have to make you you sufficiently kill the dudes. Just don't spread xp too thin and you'll be okay. EE is a pretty flexible and strong background.

>>121988035
Give him a break. Sandblast has terribad accuracy and armor shits all over it before you get on the horse.

>>121988224
And Elliptic can streak fourty whatever games. Shame he's not elliptic, implojin or dicks.... Fuck off.

>>121988382
>implying you have to be good to actually get to lair with a MuMo

>>121988382
>>121988419

Why do people circlejerk over dck so much?

>>121988587
Because they're fucking faggots who can literally not stop sucking dicks long enough to keep circlejerk shit out of where it doesn't belong and wont stay in forum shitholes where they belong.

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>>121988587
>>121988637

>chance to succeed: 43%
>fails 15 out of 17 times
I sure love expending my whole MP pool thrice and most of my life saving potions because 43% is apparently 11%.

>>121989816
I don't know the exact situation, but I know for a fact you were doing something dumb.

>>121988587
tradition

Lets assume you were forced to play Octopus Necromencer /rlg what god do you choose and why?

>be drtm of ash
>dragon form haste and dmsl all at 10% fail rate before getting the first rune
>creature telepathy and scrying detecting all threats through walls
shit god do not play

>>121989816
That's just how probabilities work.
Though less likely it could've failed 17 out of 17 times as well.

>>121988637

I think it ruins the thread. If I wanted names to be dropped everywhere then I would visit reddit.

>>121990242

Ashenzari. >>121990259

>Kobold on D:4 cast me into the abyss
Son of a bitch!
>find a nice runed lajatang
Fuck yes!
>suddenly starcursed mass and demons and abominations everywhere
FUCK NOOO
Fucking kobolds man.

>>121992470
Unless you're playing an older version, it straight up tells you it has a distortion weapon.

>>121992470
What version you playing on?

>>121992639
how do i make a press spacebar to continue * W A R N I N G * upon seeing someone wielding a distortion weapon

>>121992639
>>121992732
17.0, but I wasn't paying attention. So it's my fault, I understand that- it was just the first time I ever got cast into the Abyss. Just another thing for me to learn, though:
>Pay attention to the weapon description, dumbass

>>121992875
Just copy it from one of the other auot-more

>>121993048
Turn based game bruh. He isn't going anywhere.

>>121992470

Sonja and Terrence also tend to spawn with distortion weapons.

Speaking from experience.

>>121993048
Yup, just take your time honestly, even the weakest monsters can have some randarts or pretty good enchanted weapons and wreck your shit easy
One time it will be a kobold with a distortion dagger
Another time it will be a short sword hobgoblin
Some other time it will be ilyb with a +7 club..
Shit happens

Merlfok into polearms should i pump my stats in dex or str?

>>121993224
Yeah, sonja spawns with a dist weapon in like 90% of the cases
Terrance doesnt spawn often with it in my experience, it was usually just a protection or holy wrath weapon he had

>>121993348
int

>>121993224
Not often but it's more that he pretty much always gets a branded flail and you're bound to get one eventually. Especially if you're dying and seeing him again a lot.

>>121993404
Nevar5get +12 club Ijyb

>>121993340
Its ljyb anon, not ilyb

>>121993640
I think you ment >>121993340

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Mutroulette is too much fun.

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>>121993640
never 5get

>>121994025
>quivereing blowguns
never 5get ;_;

>>121994228
>not quivering blowguns for maximum throwing experience
what are you, a degenerate

>>121994015
Can't wait for evolution to delete all those then give you teleportitis

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>>121994317
>wishing bad things for players that are having fun

Rude.

>>121994317
nah I got 1shot by an ettin. my fault for opening a runed door, maximum fault.

>>121994732
this wouldn't have happened with ashenzari as your lord and patron

>>121994826
Ash was more cool when non "ego" gear could be enchanted. It's just not the same not trying on 983598 leather armors to find a +3

>>121994916
>Ash was more cool when non "ego" gear could be enchanted
>playing anything but .14 and below

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Am I ready for V:5?
I don't have any immolation (I readID'd the only one I found ages ago), but I do have a Lamp of Fire, a Disc of Storms, a Fan of Gales, and a Sack of Spiders

I also have several offensive wands; of fire, lightning, cold, and disintegration. But I'm not sure how much use those would be.

>>121994916
ash was more cool when she'd warn you about someone using a weapon of distortion or orc/dragon slaying

>>121994964
>0.5 masterrace

>>121995000
Do an evocations run some time. get ~23 evo and rElec for mad disc of storms fun.That shit is the tits once you have it at high power. Even more so once you have regen.

>>121995000
EXPLODING VAULT GUARDIANS

>>121995000
>Rnd*Tele+
you're going to die horribly without a source of cTele

>>121995097
>ctele
a moment of silence
just kidding ctele was hella unfun and rewarded stupid play

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>>121995097
>without a source of cTele
A-anon...

>>121995074
I wish.
>>121995097
.17 anon
no cTele
a-and I could just take off the ring, or evoke it for another teleport

>adders can lethally poison in .17
I still don't like this meme.

>>121995463
what do you mean? they can apply "strong poison" such as the one redbacks apply such that rPois only reduces it to a weaker poison instead of completely nullify it?

>>121995463

That just means you should soften them up before engaging in melee with them. Surely you can find something to throw at them.

>>121995463
Don't be so shit that you can't kill one
Don't make so much noise
Pay attention to shit that shouts
Stop ignoring creaking doors
Close doors
Don't wait until you are about to or already are lethally poisoned to start using consumables if you don't think you can take it

Or if you're such a baddy, maybe try not picking a combo you're clearly unprepared for.

>>121995625

No, the poison stacks so if you get hit a bunch of times by an adder it can stack up to being lethally poisoned.

>>121995714
does lethal poison refer to orange/red poison bar that ticks faster than yellow poison and gives you less time to regen?

>>121995803
It means they stacked enough poison damage on your ass that you are literally already dead without healing or curing.

>>121995867
but adders always had that ability

Ohayo /rlg didn't play for some time is summoning still dead?

>>121996053
Sort of. It's been refashioned into a no-brainer supplement for all the other schools with new summoning spells

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Summonings

>>121996053
summoning is something you should only do as a mummy to be honest, though spellforged servitor remains nice

>>121996053
Of course.
Allies are intrinsically scummy and spoilery.

Alright, at first I thought it was confirmation bhias but it looks like it isn't. Anyone else noticing a drastically lower rate of recovering additional seeds. I'm fucking sorry but it's not the end of the world if some faggot makes a carpet of strawberries and blueberries from here to timbuktu. I am compeltely baffled at how I'm supposed to expand my sugar beet crop in any significant way because you can't make seeds from the harvests like you would realistically or with half of the existing plants you can use in dda. Farmer start is essentially junk now cause you can't reasonably expect decent expansion of your seedstock by year two thus you're diverted back into the usual farming meta and that means you'll be making a hoe from your workshop charcoal forge regardless. Friggen breaking my balls man. Fucking tryhards in dda poisoning everything and not even accomplishing their goal.

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I have a book of Tempests from the orc shop too. If I don't get at least two runes, I'm going to end myself.

>inb4 it gets too easy and I die from carelessness on Shoals:4 AGAIN

>>121995939
No they didn't, they'd poison you longer, but not lethally poison. have you even played anything before 0.16?

>>121997806
i've played since .13 and i see no practical difference between poison you longer and poison you lethally

>>121997885
rate of regeneration. lethally poisoned means my character is dead unless I have curing or cure wounds. If I'm poisoned longer, I can typically survive unless I blunder into more enemies. so you basically have to start over because you got an unlucky d:2 in the newer versions, which forces startscumming, which is bad design :^)

>>121997885
I think he means before they buffed adders in either 0.15 or 0.16.

They used to be on the same tier as a hobgoblin

>>121998071
>beating them with their own badwrongfunspeak
That's the spirit.

>>121998071
The poison rework is al ittle further down, also by dracoomega. Searching on adder is the easiest though.

45fbbb3 | DracoOmega | 2014-03-20 02:27:28 -0230

Some adjustments to poison damage formulas
This is aimed at addressing a couple places where current poison
damage appears off (based largely on statistical data, augmented
by playtesting).

The scaling for AF_POISON is adjusted to make adders a bit less
dangerous while making some later things a bit more dangerous.
AF_POISON_STRONG in particular is boosted (redbacks seem to have
fared much worse since the change - probably getting lethal poisoning
during normal battles with them was not altogether uncommon in the
old system, but simply masked by a less clear indicator and copious
!curing). Poison needles are nudged up slightly, poison clouds
a decent bit more, and the variance for venom ammo smoothed a little.

>>121998483
Adders were no buffed, poison was changed to be deterministic and much faster in terms of applying and stacking, which resulted in adders getting collaterally stronger. This is bad because rng evades and hits make up most of the early fights against adders, as by then the player still has few actual options he can use.

Ants are a much better example of a better made poisonous monster that shows up early and is fast, because they don't show up early enough that they can consistently constitute a danger of unfair deaths.

>try latest dev poscheng
>money stolen still disappear forever
Yeah fuck that shit

>>122000270
Only Furybando

>>121996886
>+8 MDA of RC and slaying
Why the fuck are you wearing a ring of strength

what the fuck is wrong with you

>>122000270
>money stolen still disappear forever
as if should be
it's not like anyone gives a shit about money in *band variants, given how easy it is to rake in dosh. You'll find that stolen items will never disappear, though.

>>122000861
You care a lot about money in PCB because of reforges that tend to be very expensive. Plus the more money you have the more gets stolen.

>>122000930
>You care a lot about money in PCB because of reforges that tend to be very expensive
If you have enough money to waste on 3.5 reforging then you're better off gambling potions for stat pots
once you get your dex high enough nothing is going to be able to steal anything

But seriously newreforge sucks major balls and it's useless

>>122000580
Do you even lift?

when you have a poison brand weapon and a scroll of brand weapon when would be a good point in the game to rebrand it?

Kind of tempted, Oka Sif, Chei, ash Xom, or kiku for a DESu, I'm on D:7 with no standout drops.

>>122001110
Post lair. Maybe post-lair branches?

>>122001110
After you cleared lair, orc, branches in lair and d:15
After that its rly not worth it anymore and then you pray for vorpal, vamp or drain, maybe even protection, depending on your race and background

>>122001249
Xon if you want fun
Oka if you want boring shit
Sif if you wanna spam shitton of spells

>>122001630
>Xon
Son... I am chaos.

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>5 Death Yak packs between L1-7
>2 7-headed Hydras and 2 8-headed hydras too

I don't remember Lair being this deadly.

>>122001690
Didnt even notice lol, i ment xom obviously..

>glowing plate mail in orc
>+10 plate of ponderous
FUCK MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>122002901
Bro, do you even take it easy?

>powered by death 3, while worshipping trog
Damn son, thats some serious

>>122003058
I cant take it easy.. Im a big bulky gargoyle

+2leather armour +blink rPois MP+9 Str-2 can i use it as deep elf.

>>122003557
Yeah...? Why wouldn't you? Surely you can notice the hit to your evasion, fail rates, offense and realize if or when you can afford to raise armor towards 9ish after and only after you've secured your ability to reliably kill upcoming threats.

Trying out DrTm, wondering what forms to learn. Spider and Blade Hands seem like top choices, not sure about Ice Form.

>want to do nothing but play crawl all day
>have to work

NEET life when

>>122005901
Ice form is good in lair since it slows all the dangerous monsters.

>>122005901
Ice form will let you at least stand a chance against hydras since it doesn't chop heads off, but you'd probably want some fighting and dodging before attempting.

>>122005929
>Become a NEET
>Can't pay or you're a leech on the working society
>Kicked out into the streets
>Have to use diplomacy skill and charisma to keep your stuff charged
>Have to use your stats to find a place to make your hobohut and prevent getting looted, mugged, killed, or arrested until reality hits you and you have to clean up, wash your clothes, and hit the unemployment center/classifides/word of mouth until you land a job
>You win the roguelike by successfully completing any of the paths to lasting gainful employment until you have a nest egg and a legitimate place to stay.

>Clear an elf volcano as a DESu
>Oh hey the portal isn't in the back, guess I gotta head back
>Fwoosh down to 20 health
>Spaghetti and move hoping the flame cloud expires instead of standing in one and quaffing HW cause >DE
>Ded
>Ignored the scent of brimstone message
Just tape the pillow to my face. Tuck me in and leave me to die.

>>122006441
I'd play that

>>122006441
>ctrl+q yes

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>1k hp, cant see anything dangerous
>pattern vortex appears
>its just a vortex, probably useless like all other
>The pattern vortex explodes.
>die in one turn
Fug

>>122005929
being NEET is terrible

>>122006923
I'm sorry you died, anon. Were you playing while tired or annoyed?

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>>122007484
>not being completely spoiled when playing a roguelike

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Office towers got anything worth looting in them?

just training some stats right now in the peace and quiet of this small town gonna head north when I start to run low on food

>>122007751
>being underage, having retarded, rich parents or being a mudslime getting ridiculous amounts of welfare money

>>122007465
Yeeeeah. I think those are pretty rare though, can't recall them from my games.
Shame to die so far in the game.

>>122008084
You didn't ask to be born either.

>>122008084
>>122008346
this is not your blog faggots

>>122008704
so don't respond to it nigger faggot kek

>>122007590
Both. After so long crawl gets tedious and annoying. Everything is fine until I do some shove my face in a pot of boiling water tier retarded stuff over and over and over and over and over and over.

>>122007795
Everything has something worthwhile.

>>122008084
Life is the biggest roguelike of all. If you have no skills head down to the unemployment center with the ten billion other neets and see if you can get something. At least get a mcjob or do some volunteering so you're still in the fight.

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>Killing the human with the sword of the Doom Knight so that I can worship Yredelemnul and become Death Knight.

>>122007795
They can have rare books, sometimes. There's also a ton of soda cans, cigarettes and often aspirin.

>>122010904
Fucking metal.

>>122010904
Switching from Be to DK

Why didn't you just start as a death knight?

>>122013442
that would be committing at least three offenses of bad design

>>122013442
>Why didn't you start as a death knight?
Because it is not a particularly novel experience.

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=f7a6202f2538da1d1aacf2137f1b6fb51015894d

>>122013632
>starting with Yred removes the interesting experiences had from choosing Yred

?

>>122014020
>>122013632

What I don't understand is, why keep Trog/Xom/otherguy then?

>>122014386
trog is there to help new players
xom is because only ck wins count as true xom wins
lucy for flavor

>>122013632
>"this was too similar to necromancer so we'll remove it"
>"oh necromancer is just a background it has no business having access to permanent skellingtons"
And this is how the development train goes on, first you target whatever it is you don't like, then you strip it of actual importance until it is just brushed off.

>>122014630
Does anyone even go Ak?

>>122014926
ak is a pretty shitty background desu since it's so weak at killing things early on you end up relying on your blink to outrun adders but if you want it to work you need to invest invo pretty much from d:1

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Where should I go from here, /rlg/? Should I just go straight to the Orb, or should I look for better gear first? this would be my first DCSS win if I succeed

>>122015141
don't worry you won't win

>>122015141
Go to Hell!

>>122015141
>Troll Fighter
Your Dex is pretty low for tha-
>Dragon King
Yeah you can probably steamroll whatever.

>>121996053
muh imps motherfucker

>rlg's BIG BLACK THROBBING COCK is annihilating the tournament

top kek

>>121996707
just play an older more fun version

>>122015853
Has /rlg/ won any tournaments since KINGSOFMEN did their thing?

>>122015141
You know you can press shift o or ctrl o to show which branches you cleared and which you didnt

>>122015141
>>122015968
Oh also, train dodging and armor a bit, you need to get your ev up a bit, after that shield for the restriction removal
Start clearing depths a bit, maybe you get some unique branch there

how to un fullscreen DCSS? havent played it in a while

>two gargoyle ghosts in an ice cave with draining weapons and a million ac
Why

>>122016653
play webtiles

>>122006441
NEET roguelike when

>>122016653
type tile_full_screen = false in your init file

>>122016905
just play it in real life
no, never consider it, I'm joking

>>122014926
AK is actually pretty fun desu. How else are you gonna worship lucy early on?

>>122015463
A-are you sure? Crypt is only 3 floors, and there might be nice rings down there. Maybe even a better hat.
>>122015708
>Your Dex is pretty low
Jiyva's to blame for that, he's put like 8 points in Int and keeps juggling the rest between Int and Str. I throw a lot of large rocks though, so maybe that's a good thing.
>Yeah you can probably steamroll whatever
You'd think that but I'm not very good at roguelikes so I've come close to dying twice after I got the armor. It's definitely saved my life more than once, but is it really game-winningly good?
>>122016613
It's not a large shield so the penalty is already gone. I guess I could delve deeper into Depths though, yeah. And right now I'm training my killdudes, because I have like 90~ boulders to throw. Should more Armor skill/Dodge skill take priority?
>>122015968
N-no. Thanks for telling me though.
>>122015343
rude

>>122017448
You dont need throwing higher than 15, 16 honestly
>N-no.
WOW RUDE. Also you can clear crypt easy with rN++ and MR+6 so do that, yeah, i didnt even see tcrypt there fuck
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DONT USE CTRL O OR SHIFT O I ALWAYS FORGET FUCK

>>122017448
as you're about to demonstrate, no item is game-winningly good ;^)

>>122017218
Remove Abyssal Knights

This zealot didn't add any particular novel experience, given that the
pre-temple gameplay is pretty similar to Warper, and starting w/
Lugonu means losing the interesting experience of picking a god in the
dungeon.

>>122017665
Don't forget about the highly scummable abyss start that adds nothing to the depth of the background.

>orc warrior with tomahawks on D:3
another great run ruined

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>>122018454
>he can't into tactical retreat

>>122018582
I literally couldn't survive this. I had to run from, believe it or not, Natasha, and the moment I used the stairs, that warrior motherfucker was right there waiting for me.
I had only id scrools and 2 potions of flight
out of the frying pan into the fire

>>122018802
>running downstairs
>I literally couldn't survive this
baka desu senpai

Anyone who wants to watch a bad player splat TeCjs for the tournament, come on over here: http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-nikheizen

>>122018582
>>122018802
and now Jessica on D:2 used pain twice absolutely destroying me

I just can't reach Lair playing Hu

>>122019013
absolutely awful

>>122017448
>is it really game-winningly good?
Trolls are "balanced" around not having much AC. Dragon King is one of the better body armours you can find on a melee troll.

Yes, you can still die while having a good *DA if you make a habit of severe misplays like charging headfirst into tormentspam with no haste or consumables. All other things being equal, though, it's a significant leg up for that character combo.

Is amulet of regeneration more food efficient than resting?

Perhaps worshipping gozag on d:4 wasn't a wise move.

>>121937884
i like this game friend

>>121986238
>Can you give tips on how to build and the difficulty curve as melee? It's never clicked for me.
Basically all you need is to find a good armor during early/mid game and enchant the fuck out of it. Most mobs will miss you and you have some half decent weapon you can just go around dispatching them without issues. The difficulty is about what to do when you get unlucky with some mob hit, as you always want to stay above "mob needs two hits to kill you at best". Also having an awareness ring+4 (or runic armor for gases) since a single paralysis trap will result in death.

>>122015139
AK is bretty gud but it requires finesse which most crawlers don't have.

>>122019328
Literally disclaimed.

Can Monks use leather armor without penalty?

>>122019672
>"food shouldn't be-"
>gozag worshipper
do not acknowledge gozag's existence

>>122020709
(TL note: finesse is code for shit backround, but in japan it's it's considered rude to directly say it.)

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lel

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>tfw literally too many resistances
Oh boy I can't wait to see in what spectacular way I'll manage to fuck this up. At least I no longer have to kill myself since I got those two runes.

>>122022679
>tabbing like you built a tablord when you went heavy on utility is the game's fault not yours.

>>122022693
Overconfidence in vaults:5, calling it now
stop flying so the titans don't unavoidably do a quarter of your health with every airstrike

>>122022679
best post in the entire thread

>>122022818
ak provides no benefits to either tabbing magic or stealth, this so called utility comes at the expense of the meat and potatoes of your character. yes lucy is an incredibly safe god at max piety but you have to rely on a strong racial choice to make it into the banish-everything-zone, or else play super careful and be very good.

>>122015139
>>122017218
Theres a cheese you can do as AK, if you run into a crimson imp in the abyss and kill it youll be lvl 3, then you just tp out
But yeah.. Its like demonspawn mutation grindfest :^)

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Not on the team this year, but this one's still for you, /rlg/

>>122023719
HaHu of Trog/Oka when?

>>122023719
>Not being part of the BIG BLACK COCK that is wrecking everyone

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A flood/guardian puzzle and a firetrap vault, both rewarding you with a +1 charm, invis/negation respectively.
Fucking waste of level generation.

+2 whip of electrocution
or
+1 morningstar of rushing

>>122024840
>+2 whip of electrocution

>>122023713
Merfolk AK of old abyss

>>122024686
Better 1 than none. Lets you kill the amulet guardian at least.
Could have been a +2 or even a +3. Get over it.

>>122025428
Fairly sure you can't negate the Warden.
>Could have been a +2 or even a +3. Get over it.
What a terrible way to encourage people

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>>121995074
wew lad

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>>121937293
Ohayo /rlg/! The passion cooling in your dungeon life? Try these hot new tricks.

0.17 Tourney - Nemelex's Choice

MuWr
KoSu
MiAE
FeSk
HOIE
DEAK
DDTm
MiEn
HEAs
MfNe
HaCj

>>121937591
>>121937293
Huh, it got into RPS:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/11/11/forays-into-norrendrin-free-roguelike/

I got myself in a real pickle this time in DCSS. Playing on Vampire Assassin and i found a +7 vamp long sword on level 4. The dilemma is do i level short swords in hopes of getting something better or just use this god of a sword and level long swords and forget about stabbing people

>>122028670
Use the vamp sword because it will do a lot more damage than your dagger and heal you. You can switch out vamp freely though as a vampire so you can swap to your dagger if you find something to stab.

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>Moments you hate devs beyond words
This would be piss easy if I could just tell my posse to back the fuck up.

>>122028670
Can't you just use the free cross-training? It wont be all that good but since you're getting fighting anyway it should be hitting and the ench makes up the rest/

>>122030180
D:7 and you don't have a badpot to throw?
Or am I missing something