/fgog/ - Fate/Grand Order General

HEARTS EVENT WHEN

>>121881548
More like old and busted edition.

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Cutest clown.

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OTP

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Every thread until Astolfo

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Xth for UNRIVALLED.

How long is gae bolg?

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Who /want-to-stop-playing-feel-like-they've-in-way-too-deep/ here?

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Every thread until Astolfo

>>121881789
Wrong

Is that guy seriously arguing that Berserker Lancelot can match Mata Hari when it comes to out of combat warfare?

That's almost as foolish as thinking he can wrestle the control of the hanging gardens of Babylon away from Semiramis.

>>121881789
That art is pretty ugly desu

>>121882062
Is this guy at it again? do I need to filter Mata Hari now?

>>121882062
Stop it anon, leave old shitposting in the old thread.

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Someday.

>>121882062
>bringing shitposting into a new thread
Have some decency and wait until the thread hit 500+ posts at least, for fuck sake.

>>121882152
At ease man. I'm not that anon, but that particular point bothered me. He could have been comparing Lancelot to Diarmuid or Shakespeare and my reaction would have been the same.

>>121882062
I said FSG, not Berserker Lancelot. Basically, Lancelot under any class that isn't Berserker can do Mata Hari's work 10 times better.

And yes, he can corrupt the Hanging Gardens as long as he sees them as what they are, a weapon.

>>121882062
Lancelot can take control of the Hanging Gardens though. If its an object, he can take it and use it, even its finer functions. If he wasn't able to, he wouldn't have been able to control the jet so fluidly or even use the chaft to disorient Gilgamesh.

Stay mad.

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Any Riderbros here?

>>121882445
go away

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>>121882445
Medusa is strong, useful, cute, and sexy!

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>>121882445
Best FSN girl.

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>>121882445
Did someone say Rider?

>>121882445
I'd ride her, bro.

>>121882428
Lancelot even with his ability to disguise can only disguise himself physically; he can't hide other factors like intuition, instinct, or ability to detect malice against him.

Mata Hari disguises all factors by making herself feel like a non-target, she feels like a friend, thus the enemy does not think of her as an enemy ever unless they were warned before.

Its not hard to see how these are different that come with their own niche. Lancelot's disguise will not fool sixth sense, but Mata Hari's will. However if all you need is to disguise physically and no other factors, this is still fine.

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>>121882445
>wtb > hearts

Even if Lancelot say the Hanging Gardens as a weapon and could try to take them, wouldn't his master run out of magical energy long before you could actually use it? It's just too big.

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For the Kuzukifag

>"Seeing through" his attack is impossible with any level of skill, only familiarity.
Sorry, but he only managed to beat a C END C AGI Saber and he was still unable to kill her, not only that, but it's said that being skilled at martial arts does help against Snake. Also, I'm sorry for you, but Lancelot can do impossible shit.

>Be it by miracle or skill, it should be properly impossible to repel a consecutive strike so clearly in a flash.
Something that couldn't be done either by MIRACLE or SKILL, he still did it. He is just that fucking good. Deal with it.

>>121882445
Lolirider when

>>121882679
>Saber and he was still unable to kill her,

He wasn't trying to kill her, its like you weren't paying attention to the plot at all. They were trying to knock her out so that they could steal her away.

>>121882631
>Lancelot's disguise will not fool sixth sense
Say that to Saber, and that was only the nerfed Berserker version.

>>121882674
>wouldn't his master run out of magical energy long before you could actually use it? It's just too big.

That's moot because the point is still if he can or not and he can. What happens when he does is besides the point completely.

>>121882749
Lancelotfags don't read fate. They probably just skim through the wikia and then come here to shitpost and fankwank.

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Best Rider coming through

>>121882794
>Be it by miracle or skill, it should be properly impossible to repel a consecutive strike so clearly in a flash.
Try finding that on the wikia, retard.

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Great thread start guys.

Here, have some Mozart.

>>121882749
>Nearly pulling Sabers throat out
>He was just trying to knock her out

You sound like one of those guys who tries to justify beating his wife half to death.

>>121882430
The thing is that if he tries to corrupt the NP Semiramis is going to resist those attempts and within the gardens the scales are always on her favor. In this particular scenario the only unrivaled thing is Lancelot's failure.

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>>121882445
Yes, I love Ushi

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Fuck Medusa she is old and busted. This ladies and gentlemen is the new hotness.

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>>121882860
Did I strike a nerve?

Don't worry anon, maybe one day you'll stop being a filthy secondary.

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So how about a Saint Nicholas servant? Would he be strong?

>>121882919
If Lancelot wants it as a weapon, its his. Plain and simple.

>>121882917
There's a reason he stepped back instead of taking the final blow at the end, and instead let Medea do her thing. Medea didn't even stop him and tell him to stand back, he did it on his own, which means that was always the plan.

He could have finished her, but he knew Medea's goal, and chose to focus on the other two while Medea handled that part.

>>121882919
>The thing is that if he tries to corrupt the NP Semiramis is going to resist those attempts
I don't see how that's going to do shit, if you don't react automatically the weapon is pretty much his.

>>121883036
Sure anon, everybody will sit and play cards while he slowly take possession of the whole structure.

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>>121882445
Marie is a cutie pie. I hope Nasu gives us a chance to tell our favorite servants they're the best.

>>121883108
>Implying he does it slowly

>>121882767
Instinct is only an ability for combat purposes, it does not warn of other dangers. It also does not warn of imperceptible attacks like Mind's eye (Fake).

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Leonidas bullying Cu for being a little shrimp

>>121883178
>He didn't see when he took control of the jet
Now multiply that by the size of the gardens.

>>121883036
>>121883096
And if Semiramis doesn't want that to happen then it's all useless. She's going to win the clash every time. Lancelot may be a sitting duck for all the good it'll do him. if he's reckless enough to keep trying to gain control of the NP

>>121883037
What's the fucking point if it only worked on

1. C AGI
2. C END
3. No Martial Arts skills
4. Not UNRIVALED

The only point that Saber had on her favor was Instinct. Kuzuki might be able to get one hit in but after that he is fucked. Lancelot armor can tank a full powered B STR attack to the face, only stunning him, that's if UNRIVALED doesn't work in the first place, he could do the impossible once again and just negate Snake with his own kind of bullshit.

16k Cupcakes.
Shit I knew I didn't need to use quartz or apples in that fucking halloween event.

>>121883185
I'm petty sure it worked when team boku wa was fooled into thinking it was Rider and shifted the blame on to him. Overall it was a mission complete.

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>>121883249
Nasu measurements are always out of whack.
Shirou is made of styrofoam for being such a beefcake. (167cm 58kg)
Meanwhile Jinako must be made out of lead (153cm 82kg)

>>121883321
Explain how is she going to win shit? KoH is near automatic, it works pretty much in an instant. There is literally nothing she can do to stop it.

>>121883408
I want to styro Shirou's foam if you get what I mean.

>>121883408
Jinako's a fatty.

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>>121883408
>Meanwhile Jinako must be made out of lead

You act like this is somehow incorrect or the way its not meant to be portrayed.

Your own example only shows that Nasu's measurements have validity, because fuck if she doesn't deserve that weight. Every appearance from her is a walking fat joke.

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This dog comes up to you and slaps your ass. What do you do?

>>121883319
The jet itself is a was a non issue. Also I don't know where you are getting that bigger = more prana.

>>121883319
>The black prana again corroded the sonic silver wings, and even that epitome of modern science was instantly changed it into a monstrous form.
You mean instantly? Wow, that sounds like a lot of time, animeonlyfag.

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>>121883527
Even when shown at her most tubby she's not the orb of meat she should be to weigh that much

All this Unrivaled shitposting is getting out of hand lately.

And I thought Hercfags were insufferable.

>>121883636
Japan doesn't know what fat is

>>121883636
I wish Rin was chubbed up to be like her.

>>121883662
Unrivaled bait.

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This thread now belongs to Nero. Pay attention to her!

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Thanks for noticing me!

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>>121883584
Call some berserkers to bully him.

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>>121883713
>>121883713

>>121883185
This post is all wrong.

>>121883413
Within the fortress all attacks and saving throws are decided in Semiramis' favor automatically. Those seconds Lancelot needs to do his mumbo jumbo is more than enough time to prepare a succesful hard counter, the moment he has to fight for control it's over.

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David wants the fluff.

>>121883994
Explain further, if you can. Instinct is all about the body carrying it through battle without the conscious mind. Anything your eyes cannot pick up will not be helped, nor does it grant supernatural information beyond a sudden flash of dangerous expectation; this is why Saber is totally overwhelmed by Gate of Babylon. All she knows are the weapons are "dangerous", not what to do to counteract them.
Attacks she could not possibly detect will still work, like Kuzuki's snake style or Fragarach.

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Who is she again?

>>121884093
He wants to sheer that sheep

Because he's a Shepard

Get it?

>>121884218
my dick

>>121884187
She detects Hassan's sneak attacks and her instincts are what saved her from being immediately ohko'd.

>Instinct: A
However, having a good intuition is also problematic. At any rate, because she ends up grasping the troubles of the people that catch her eyes, she unconsciously ends up giving a helping hand to each new person she meets.

>>121884218
Medb or Nightingale. We don't know who for sure.

>>121884319
>ohko'd by Kuzuki

>>121884218
One of the servants we'll be fapping to in 6 months

>>121884086
>Within the fortress all attacks and saving throws are decided in Semiramis' favor automatically

Knight of Honor is not an attack or saving throw. Its taking an object he sees as a weapon and makes it his Noble Phantasm.

Theres nothing for her to turn in her favor when its just instantly his.

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Hey guys what would be a good crit team for me?

My team.

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AlterEGO Servants when?
Heaven's Hole when?
Avenger when?

>>121884424
Jokes on you, I'm jerkin' it right now.

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I want to fuck Da Vinci-chan!

>>121884439
I don't think Kiara will be a servant.

>>121884439
I am so ready for my Noble Orgasm.

>>121884410
Expecting an ambush in a suspicious area is different from finding out the normal-looking guy in front of you turns out to be a kung-fu master.

>>121884086
>Those seconds
That's where you are wrong, it's not "seconds", it's almost instant. You either react as fast as A AGI Instinct Saber, or you are pretty much fucked.

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>>121884478

>>121884437
>163/165
What the fuck.

>>121884724
>yfw he bought those slots just to post that picture

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Remember not to sexualize your masters

>>121884638
Holy shit, I forgot about this too, Saber understimating Kuzuki was also a factor. Poor Kuzukifag, now he really has no chance against UNRIVALED. I doubt Kuzuki would even get a hit in now.

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Don't you sexualize

>>121884638
If I'm not wrong, her instinct fucks her over in that fight as well. Kuzuki made a feint and her fighting instinct kicks in.

>>121884761
I should do this just to trigger /fgog/. I already have the servant I want anyway.

>>121884839
The only way Kuzuki wouldn't kill Lancelot in the first fight is if Lancelot uses guns. Though Kuzuki can probably catch bullets too.

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>>121884093
>Davidposting that I didn't start
And here I was afraid I might be too late. Good job, goy.

>>121884903
Exactly, Kuzuki's entire fighting style is tailor-made to fuck with experienced fighters' expectations and use them to his advantage.

That's why it's always said that he wins the first encounter with somebody but loses the second, because experienced fighters, assuming they survive, are smart enough to adapt to it.

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>>121884953
Kuzuki wouldn't be able to do anything against Lancelot. He has:
Higher AGI by 2 ranks when compared to nerfed Saber
Higher END by 2 ranks when compared to nerfed Saber
Martial Arts knowledge
ME so no understimating

Kuzuki has literally no chance and would be lucky to get even one hit in, and in terms of feats, even if he got even one hit in, it would be useless.

>using all her strength to drive her attack downward.
Lancelot tanked a full powered B ranked attack to the head from a Invisible Air.

>the first was that he had used an impossible stance to respond to Saber’s follow-up killing blow
Ability to react to attacks even while stunned via impossible stances.

>Be it by miracle or skill, it should be properly impossible to repel a consecutive strike so clearly in a flash.
Ability to literally do shit that is impossible to pull off by miracle or skill.


>Though Kuzuki can probably catch bullets too.
A AGI precog Saber was at a position of certain defeat against small machineguns.
>she looked around in search of a method by which she could return from certain defeat.

Also, those bullets can kill an A END Servant in one hit.
>Saber sensed that even though she was a Servant, if she were hit she would be fatally wounded

But regardless, nice try, Kuzukifag.

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How easy is it to get an account back?

When I tried to screenshot my rebind code the command didn't go through...

>>121884430
But it's not instant. It took him 7 seconds, give or take, to fully gain control of that jet from the moment he was on top of it until he was able to make it fly. And as the other anon said Saber had enough time to react against KoH. If that thing was truly instant as you said, Lancelot would have dualwielded both Excalibur and Arondight in his last battle.
While we're at it, agility means jack in this particular situation. Magical energy for the mana needed to fully gain control over a humongous construct and succesfully sustain it, and luck to make sure nothing gets in the way of the stunt is what's really needed. And Semiramis has those over Lanc even before her NP.

We're in a particular instance where absolutes clash, with the catch that in this situation the scales will always tip in favor of Semiramis. If Lancelot wants to win this battle, trying to steal the NP is not the way to go as that'll only deplete his mana reserves.

Lancelotfags please go. Nobody wants your walls of texts about your memehero.

>>121885890
Except the LN contradicts you completely, animeonly fag.

Lancelot would take her garden. Deal with it. He's probably a better gardener anyway.

>>121886006
And moment he steps into Semiramis' garden it it's the moment he will always lose in every roll of the dice there is. Initiative, ambushes, clash of beams, critical dodges, resistance to poisons, etc.

Should he try to KoH, every single thing that could go wrong with it will go wrong as long as Semiramis has a hand in it.

>>121885890
>The black prana again corroded the sonic silver wings, and even that epitome of modern science was instantly changed it into a monstrous form.
Literally instant.

>And as the other anon said Saber had enough time to react against KoH.
A AGI with precog, the corruption never even started, she was literally an instant away from getting it corrupted
>Saber suddenly realized the fatal danger of having Berserker come into contact with her weapon
>allowing Saber’s beloved weapon to narrowly escape the danger of being corroded by the other’s black magic.

>Magical energy for the mana needed to fully gain control over a humongous construct and succesfully sustain it
Again, where are you getting this "bigger = more prana" thing?

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h-here I go guys

Going through the previous threads where did all the Brynfags come from? Did scat hatch fags get bored of spamming about her and moved onto the next?

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>>121887137
>only says that it feels good
l-lewd

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ROMA best hero locale
Greece can come too
except Jason, remove Jason

>>121887137
>>121887234
Nice man, she deserves some love. She is a good girl.

>>121884903
Her instinct tells her to dodge his initial attack which puts her in position for the trick of snake which is his fists attacking her from behind which again her instincts help her dodge. Her instincts didn't screw her over getting into a fight with him screwed her over.

ded gaem

>>121886913
>Again, where are you getting this "bigger = more prana" thing?
Why shouldn't it? Isn't that the same principle with all magical constructs everywhere else?


At this point, we'rebe doing nothing but argue in circles about a highly unlikely scenario as Lancelot has no means to get near the hanging gardens which means the only thing he can do is get nuked to unrivaled bits. More over the NP in question basically gives the user MC plot armor. The only way out of it is Nasu answering this particular question for us.

>>121887409
Yeah, I thought the whole thing in her profile where she tries her hardest for her master because she knows shes really weak was cute so I decided to give her the best chance she has.
She just got a big buff too.

>>121888047
Type-Moon banned powerlevel questions from q&a.

>>121888104
That can't be right, they were still answering specifics about Berserker's God Hand in the UBW anime guide and stuff.
I'd believe it if you said they banned hypothetical matchups though.

>>121887234
She says "ありがとう。今の私が、本当の私よ。ふふっ" Basically "Thanks, I'm the real me now"

>>121888047
>Why shouldn't it? Isn't that the same principle with all magical constructs everywhere else?
So you are basing this on headcanon? Wow.

>The only way out of it is Nasu answering this particular question for us.
Why? He can do it, period. This wasn't about "is he able to get there", this is about "can he corrupt it". He can, question answered.

>>121882990
padfags are the worst

>>121888104
Probably because the answer to every match up is 'maybe' and they got sick of autists like these jetfags.

>>121888207
I just did it, she said 'kimochi wa'

>>121888216
And you're basing your "he can corrupt shit like Hanging Gardens or Ramesseum Tentyris instantly and when their owner are inside" on nothing at all. Good job.

>>121888558
On nothing? I'm basing it on how the NP works. Have you read the description of KoH? I doubt you have since you proved you were an animeonlyfag a few posts ago.

>>121888216
Can he succesfully corrupt it if somone tries to use resources that are True Magic in rank to stop that from happening? That's the real question, can KoH overcome True Magic? if it can't Semiramis will be able to stop Lanc on his tracks.

>>121888710
I'm not this guy, I'm just tired of that autistic babbling.
>He couldn't utilize an aircraft carrier, as its role as weapon transportation is higher than that as a weapon, making it not count as such to him
So how's temple or a fortress count as a weapon?

>>121888869
I don't think you understand what instant means. The only way to stop is to react before it started.

>>121888970
I dont know why people even reply to jetfags.

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Please do not rustle up the lancelotfags by reminding them that their hero can easily be defeated by a serious Gilgamesh, Iskandar, Karna, Achilles, or Heracles

>>121888970
Hanging Gardens primary use is described as being a weapon for offensive uses. Its role as a weapon is higher, meaning it can be corrupted.
No idea for Ozzy though I never talked about that one. All that could be argued is Mesektet.

I'm starting to suspect like 90% of this thread is made up of bots replying to each other. There's no way a real person could keep up the same shitposting for months on end without pause.

>>121888710
And it's absolute vs absolute. It's Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias all over again. The catch for you is that those concepts will clash in a turf where the scales will always tip in favor of Semiramis.

>>121888997
It's not instant if it fails to activate in the first place. Which will happen when the proper spells are used.

>>121883408
>I'm taller than Shirou
>EMIYA is fucking massive

>>121889153
Can anyone even do anything to Karna if he doesn't take his armor off?

>>121889206
Barely, Karna's armor is only a 90% damage reduction.
Formidable against anyone without a killing blow, but something needlessly excessive like Excalibur or Enuma Elish will blow him away.

>>121889279
He has autoregen too though right? At least that fight with Seigfried made it seem that way. Also that whatever the fuck he did vs Vlad

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>>121889153
GoB is said to lose against Lancelot in materials, novel and Illya Route. If serious means EA, then he wins unless Lancelot gets Avalon which is as impossible as Gil getting serious.
Iskandar gets fucked by the jet.
Karna probably wins, if he can tank Balmung, I can't think of anything that can harm him.
Achilles loses if Cosmos really isn't as strong as it was thought.
Heracles loses as a Berserker, wins as anything else.

Hope we get something else to do this week.

>>121889206
Of course, he is not invincible.
There is heroes that can probably do something to him though his armore like Vlad did in Apocrypha. Maybe Hassan can zabaniya him because he destroys fake heart that linked to a real heart.

>>121889184
Absolute what? And can Semiramis stop NPs from working?

>>121889412
>>121889153
I cant which one of you is baiting more.

>>121889412
>Iskandar gets fucked by the jet.
It would be up against A+ flying chariot that can charge faster than sound. There's not always a jet for Lancelot to steal, it's not part of his "kit".
>Heracles loses as a Berserker, wins as anything else.
How does Lancelot kill him 12 times without a suit of 12 A rank noble phantasms around? Arondight would only work once.

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>>121889481
New gacha 11.18.

>>121889481
Like fight in an arena for Snake Jewels and Horseshoes? Please tell me that Thanksgiving Event or whatever is this week.

>>121889589
>thanksgiving
I doubt that would be a major event. Maybe some free quartz or something small.

>>121889542
In zero material Iskander is natural enemy of Lancelot. Probably because of Kariya.

>>121889589
>not Infinity Gears
GEARS WHEN

>>121889279
Oh also he has divinity and his stats are particularly high as well

>>121889487
Yeah its just that in most 1v1 duels he seems to have the ability to outlast a lot of servants. Assuming correct stats anyway.

Or in a few cases just end up fighting for days on end.

>>121889542
He can kill him with Arondight 12 times, the problem would be Herc's skillset as any other class.

Only reason Cu would have issues is he'd either have to toss his shit or keep runeboosting AND charge thrusting.

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>>121889542
>It would be up against A+ flying chariot that can charge faster than sound.
>The two instantly broke through the sound barrier, falling up through the sea of clouds in the night sky, climbing ever higher as the dogfight continued.
Faster than sound is kind of shit though. I seriously believe you are underplaying Iskander chariot, badly. It can't be that shitty. As for how, missiles. Unlike Gil, Iskander has no way to react to those.

>How does Lancelot kill him 12 times
A STR with paired with KoH. Yes, STR works, pic is C ranked Caliburn going through with A STR.

>>121889713
they're doing new daily quests, aren't they? maybe you'll be able to farm them there

>>121889683
Natural enemy isn't always "weak against". If anything, it's stated by both the novel and materials that the actual archenemy of Lancelot's KoH is Diarmuid's Gae Dearg.

>>121889490
The question you need to ask is "Can true magic stop NPs from working?" We already know there are servants that can do that already without using that source. Semiramis should be able to easily gimp Lancelot's attempt to KoH if they're fighting in her fortress.

>>121889412
Karna used his flames, he doesn't just straight up tank Balmung.

>>121889745
Strength works ONCE
>>121889737
He can use Arondight once

>>121889837
It's probably because he talked trash to his kingu

>>121889737
>the problem would be Herc's skillset as any other class.
I don't see many winning against non retarded Herc. In fact, I doubt anyone besides Gil has a real chance against him. Maybe David too if he manages to Ark.

As a Berserker he is shit tier though, Lancelot can easily deal with him.

>>121889745
>I seriously believe you are underplaying Iskander chariot
It's hard to quantify with it's descriptions of "instant" movement that make no sense.
>As for how, missiles. Unlike Gil, Iskander has no way to react to those.
God Bulls are awfully tanky if they can eat Excalibur.
>A STR with paired with KoH. Yes, STR works, pic is C ranked Caliburn going through with A STR.
Caliburn is A+ rank in the right circumstance and only Nasu knows what is the right circumstance.
Beyond that, only Nasu would know if "Knight of Honor" counts as one source. Or if insane Lancelot could even discern the secret to God Hand, being bereft of reason. And beyond that yet still, defeating Herakles 12 times before Herakles can defeat you once is not easy even with skill.

>>121889745
>C ranked Caliburn going through with A STR
With what? Saber with Shirou as her Master has B STR. Besides, Heracles stats and skills are better so your theorycrafted duel is kinda pointless.

>>121889986
Archer Herc never ;_;

>>121889902
You know he can swing the sword multiple times right. He doesn't need to use the ability.
Strength is a constant. It will work time and again. Which is why he can keep swinging the fucking sword.

>>121889986
Yeah but
>muh circumstances
Not gonna say anything beyond we dont know.

>>121889902
>Strength works ONCE
No, he gains resistance against ATTACKS. Him gaining resitance against STR is the equivalent of saying that he gainst resitance against all A ranked NPs.

>Lancelot would need to go 12 rounds with a mad enhanced Herc who has the highest rank of battle continuation in the setting
>without taking an injury once
>this is regardless of whether or not he has 12 methods
Lancelot is fucked.

>>121889847
>90% reduc
>divinity
Not sure

>>121890121
You seem not to understand, you can use the same method 12 times as long as it is A rank

>>121890236
Do you know what God Hand does? After you kill Herc with a method, hes magically immune to it.
And my point still stands.

We interrupt this powerlevel discussion to bring you Chaldea Gate Renewal
http://typemoon.com/news/2015/32b854

>>121890236
>you can use the same method 12 times
God Hand is a learning defense that gets powerful against the same method that defeated it before.
Beyond that, Herakles has Battle Continuation and A rank endurance, and yet further he has Eye of the Mind (False) to see through the opponent's attacks even while mad. He is difficult to put down even a single time. And while something "can" work more than once, it needs to be much, much stronger to work a second time. Since the only NPs ever shown to get throttled like that are Excalibur and Enuma Elish, it's a meager point.

>>121890236
He means you're assuming Lancelot does not take a clean hit from Berserker until he manages to kill him 12 times.

>>121890008
>God Bulls are awfully tanky if they can eat Excalibur.
They got fucked by Excalibur, as far as I recall they didn't tank shit. Even if the Bulls survived, Iskander won't anyways.

>Caliburn is A+ rank in the right circumstance and only Nasu knows what is the right circumstance
The circumstance is when wield by the King. Shirou is not the King.

>Beyond that, only Nasu would know if "Knight of Honor" counts as one source.
KoH is not the attack. God Hand gains resistance against attacks. KoH counting as one source is like GoB counting as one source.

>Or if insane Lancelot could even discern the secret to God Hand
Lancelot has shown to be pretty smart for a ME Servant. He was aware of Dearg even after seeing it once, and could strategize against Saber, knows when to back the fuck off, and some other shit.

>And beyond that yet still, defeating Herakles 12 times before Herakles can defeat you once is not easy even with skill.
Equal stats and far more skill, would you mind telling me what is Heracles even going to do besides getting wrecked 12 times? Even EMIYA killed him 6 times.

>>121890050
With the sword reacting on it's own. It was hitting so hard that it was EASILY deflecting all of Herc attacks.

Herc stats are the same as Lancelot's except in Mana, and Lancelot is FAR more skilled in combat because of EAM. Herc has almost no chances.

>>121890365
>>121890317
So why the fuck does a traced 9 lives get 7 kills'

>>121890341
So exp or monument everyday, one day per servant class. Mana prism reward resets every week and a new tier for each daily? Sounds good.

>>121890443
God Hand apparently does not prevent overkills

>>121890341
Basically ascension + skill mat daily for one class each day and the second daily is EXP for 3 classes (one of them always berserker) and QP on Sunday

>>121890341
Well that's great. Why not implement now without breaking that new event/gacha after the Drake one ends?

>Jetfag argument is literally 'nah Lance is 12 times more skilled I swear'
Fucking kek

>>121890443
Herc had one life left in that fight.

>>121890474
But its effectively a multihit?
Technically speaking each life lost should raise the resistance.

>>121890341
>Easier mats for ascension
>Master exp is gone

Yay and nay.

>>121889838
Aren't Medea spells on the tier of True Magic too? They don't negate NPs.

>>121890578
Damage was instant, his regenaration is not.

>>121890591
>he isnt level 100

>>121890390
Shirou has a spiritual connection to the king and the king's holy sheath in his bones. Might have bypassed the sword's drm.

>>121890341
ayyy >>121889786

>>121890341
Monday:
Archer skill items and ascension
Lancer, Assassin, Berserker EXP

Tuesday:
Lancer skill items and ascension
Saber, Rider, Berserker EXP

Wednesday:
Berserker skill items and ascension
Archer, Caster, Berserker EXP

Thursday:
Rider skill items and ascension
Lancer, Assassin, Berserker EXP

Friday:
Caster skill items and ascension
Saber, Rider, Berserker EXP

Saturday:
Assassin skill items and ascension
Archer, Caster, Berserker EXP

Sunday:
Saber skill items and ascension
QP

>>121890390
>Lancelot is FAR more skilled in combat because of EAM
That's not how EAM works. It's a mental debuff negation of a sort. With Divinity, Bravery and Eye of the Mind Heracles performs even better.

>>121890121
You are asking if Anderson Silva can beat up 12 guys with his same build but none of his skills in a row. The answer is obvious. Of course he can, easily.

The only one getting fucked is Herkek.

>>121890390
>God Hand gains resistance against attacks
God Hand gets resistance against sources. "When damaged by fire, after regenerating, he will gain fire resistance" is Nasu's shorthand description. You can't compare it to Gate of Babylon, rather, compare it to any weapon in Gate of Babylon. Once killed by it by any method, any other method won't work. (Stab him in the brain, still can't stab him in the heart after despite being a "different attack")
Gate of Babylon is not even an "source" on its own. Hence why its rank is "E~A++". It can't do any damage whatsoever, all it does is move things.
>would you mind telling me what is Heracles even going to do besides getting wrecked 12 times?
How about landing a single hit that breaks Lancelot in two, or wearing him down with the bladed air that trails behind every single one of his attacks and causes extended battles to even cut up Artoria (who has above average regeneration)?

>>121890341
>http://typemoon.com/news/2015/32b854

Monday
>Archer Ascension + Skill Items
>Lancer, Assassin, Berserker EXP

Tuesday
>Lancer Ascension + Skill Items
>Saber, Rider, Berserker EXP

Wednesday
>Berserker Ascension + Skill Items
>Archer, Caster, Berserker EXP

Thursday
>Rider Ascension + Skill Items
>Lancer, Assassin, Berserker EXP

Friday
>Caster Ascension + Skill Items
>Saber, Rider, Berserker EXP

Saturday
>Assassin Ascension + Skill Items
>Archer , Caster, Berserker EXP

Sunday
>Saber Ascension + Skill Items
>QP

>>121890591
They might increase the EXP gain on some days to compensate.

Might.

>>121890721
>all that Berserker EXP
Truly best class.

>>121890591
master exp was a mistake

>>121890504
He literally many times more skilled than Arturia who is many times more skilled than Berserker Herkek.

>>121890775

My nip is rusty, but is その2 that weeklies reset every week from now on?

>>121890591
there won't be a "it's a waste of AP" anymore

>>121890925
Yes, we can get mana prisms from the quests every week. Finally.

>>121890639
>>121890759
Lots of things can do enough damage to gank multiple lives at once nigga

>>121890883
>Saber many times more skilled than Herc
kek

>>121890341
So how are those new Ascension/Skill dailies supposed to work? 2 waves of normal enemies with mats and tokens and a Servant boss with pieces or monuments?

>>121890880
Honestly, I agree with you.

As long as shit like Demons and Dragons are still regular enemies in the respective class dailies, it should be fine.

For instance.

Round of two base-form and one higher-form Lamia.
Round of two Shadow Casters and a regular Caster.
Round of Demon.

>>121890973
Even Rins gems can.

>>121890591
>all that wasted AP
all that wasted AP
>all that wasted AP
all that wasted AP

>>121890973

Sure, A+ burst noble phantasms could.
Not basic attacks.

>>121890721
So this means we're only getting pieces, monuments, skill gems and EXP, right?
Now where am I going to farm hearts?

>>121891007
Possibly. I'm guessing they'll mix it up with some shadow servants for extra chances at pieces/monuments/Void Refuse.

>>121891086
Demons are Casters.

>>121891086
Caster Ascension most likely.

>>121890775
Is this a premonition, Franky is coming?

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>>121890054
Unnecessary.

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Guess that means this comic won't make sense to newbies anymore.

So is this happening at maintenance tomorrow?

>>121891373
Next week.

>>121891373
Depends. Is it the 17th today?

>>121891373
next week

>>121891373
>11/18

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>>121890687
Headcanon. We already know that the sword was acting on its own with power equivalent to Herc.

>>121890724
It is how EAM works. His unrivaled skills are untouched, he can fight at full power.

Divinity does jack shit because Lancelot doesn't have any special defensive value, Bravery is negated ME, and Eye of the Mind only works to alert from danger. Herc fighting skills are literally just smashing around like an idiot, that's never going to do anything against the likes of Lancelot.

>>121890759
He gains resistance against attacks, that's stated everywhere, in all the materials. If he gained resistance against flames, is because the attack was fucking flames.

>You can't compare it to Gate of Babylon
Oh yes I can, it's even said that KoH is endless when compared to GoB numerous weapons.

>Gate of Babylon is not even an "source" on its own.
It is, it's even Anti Unit. The NP is GoB, Herc didn't gain resistance against that did he.

>How about landing a single hit that breaks Lancelot in two
How exactly is he going to do that again? When his opponent has the same stats but like 10 times more combat skill?

>or wearing him down with the bladed air that trails behind every single one of his attacks
Same STR, it's not a problem to deal with at all, in fact, Lancelot has shown to have better STR feats when compared to how Herc was getting his axe repelled by the GoB while Lancelot had absolutely no problems with it. We saw with Karna that skill does add up to the overall strength of your attacks.

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>>121891373
It has the date right on there. You should at least know what moonrune represents "day" by now.

>>121891368
Maybe they'll make a new one with Gudako drowing in money and Seiba being super strong while alle the other servants are weaksauce

>>121890974
Than a retard that can only smash around, as confirmed by the novel, yes. I said Berserker Herc, didn't I?

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>>121891469
>Same STR
>A VS A+
>literally half

>>121891604
+ is a modifier, it's not a permanent stat, it's a temporary one that activates when certain circumstances are met, and only for a moment. Have you even read the materials?

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>>121891480
>buff Saber holding up Olga by the neck
>this becomes next week's comic

Reminder that the Halloween shop closes in less than 24 hours. Spend whatever currency you haven't.

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Would you?

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>considering them equal without knowing the circumstances

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>>121891804
I'd rather her a few years later.

>>121891804
I guess, but she'd look better if she wasn't 14.

>>121891804
>>121891839
They're both horrible.

>>121891829
Even if the circumstances are met the boost is only for a moment. If it was unable to defeat a nerfed Saber, it won't do anything against Lancelot.

>>121891797
Caster Liz in unascendable in less then 24 hours

>>121890612
Medea only used magecraft. From the age of the Gods, yes, but only magecraft at the end of the day.

>>121891910
Herc slapped Sabers shit
She needed a miracle to kill him.

>>121891936
That is still comparable to True Magic. It's even said that in the Age of the Gods, True Magic was a common thing.

>>121891921
>all that wasted candy

>>121891910
When he cut loose he was thrashing Saber all around without taking any form of damage. If it weren't for Tohsaka's intervention followed by Shirou's projection, she would have certainly died.
The razor wind created by his attacks are not ignorable. Even people strong and fast enough to not be touched by him get worn down by the cuts building up.

>>121891469
What's the point of those skills and feints if your enemy is able to dodge your flashy attacks via Instinct? Besides there's no technique in his last fight with Arondight against Saber. And there's Battle Continuation if by any chance Lancelot managed to land a hit that somehow matters.
>Bravery is negated ME
Nope, the bonus damage is still here, same with Lu Bu.

>>121891981
Because the definition of "magic" was a lot looser then. It was any end that could not be replicated through other means.

As time went on and science advanced, more and more that was "magic" became "magecraft," until now all that's left is True Magic that has reached the Root.

>>121891921
>>121891997
Why would the candy disappear?

>>121891981
Do you even know what True Magic is?
Its magic that can accomplish feats that technology cant.
Medea has Age of the Gods tier magic and could do True Magic back then, but Servant Medea cant because True Magic has changed.
Flight was a True Magic.

>>121892018
He actually got pushed back even though he couldn't get damaged because of God Hand. That's a terrible feat. He allowed a C AGI Servant push him back, even though he has A AGI and Eye of the Mind Fake.
Saber was also not taking any damage, she was being worn down yes, but not taking damage as in being hit.

And again, they have the same fucking STR, it's perfectly ignorable considering that. In fact, considering Lancelot's skill, he might even use Herc own momentum to fuck him up even harder, kind of like how Chiron did to Mordred.

>>121891747
If they ever make an FGO adaption I hope to god they keep this as Gudako's personality even if they have to strip out the 4th wall breaking gameplay mechanic references.

>>121892058
And resurrection
And universe crossing
And soul manipulation

>>121892150
STR does not prevent the razor wind effect

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>>121892197
All of that shit comes from modern True Magic. Paths that have been opened to the Root.

>>121892150
Saber got literally torn apart in their earlier battle.
That battle was a buffed Saber with allies and a weakened Herc and she still barely won.

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>>121892282
I'm a 100% hercfag and can tell you that's bullshit, she still had the grievous chest wound from Lancer holding her back

>>121890341
I welcome these changes, but I bet the drop rates will still be shit.

>>121892231
There are 5 seperate True Magics left, not one with 5 applications.
Getting to the Root is just one of them.

>>121892282
>buffed Saber
what

Saber is able to get the upper hand in UBW and a not-Shirou Saber can handle Hercules on her own.

>>121892150
>>121892204
The razor wind effect is fucking stupid.

Plenty of Servants are just as strong or stronger than Heracles but THEY don't have deadly shockwaves of air rippling out of their sword every time they swing it.

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>>121890341
>tfw when will have to remake the chaldea drop map with 28 sections instead of 12
Seven days was a mistake.

>>121892356
>Saber is able to get the upper hand in UBW
Oh, so you are a secondary.

>>121892035
>if your enemy is able to dodge your flashy attacks via Instinct
Instinct only alerts you from danger, if you are able to react to it properly it's entirely up to the user.

>Besides there's no technique in his last fight with Arondight against Saber.
>At this point he had already completely unleashed his true ability, and his skill with the sword was completely incomparable with his previous level.
>The enemy’s strong prowess that was many times greater than her own
Read the Novel, pleb.

>And there's Battle Continuation if by any chance Lancelot managed to land a hit that somehow matters.
How is that even going to help if he is pretty much dead anyways?

>Nope, the bonus damage is still here, same with Lu Bu.
>Bravery: A+
>With his brave and daring spirit, Herakles is able to neutralise mental interference such as suppression, confusion and charm. However, under the influence of Mad Enhancement, this skill is unable to take effect. While operating correctly, Bravery also increases the damage inflicted upon the opponent during melee combat.
Read the materials, pleb.

>>121892353
No, each True Magic came from reaching the Root in a different way, but each is in fact a path opened to the Root.

>>121892397
rip dropmap anon

>>121892392
>I don't like it
>it's stupid
>oh btw sword acting on its own without any reason (even if they're stated in the text itself) is perfectly fine

>>121892356
Saber had the upper hand against Heracles when they fought in the cemetery.

Archer's support then was kind of non factor since Heracles knew he could tank everything Archer fired at him until the Broken Phantasm

>>121892417
You're retarded.

>>121892356
>Nasu said Saber needs to be in England proper to get an edge on Herc
>Can handle him on her own
Excaliblast would kill him but shes fucked in a duel.

>>121892323
Heard someone in Twitter say that item drops in the dailies will be increased. By how much, or if it's even true, I have no idea.

>>121892521
Saber was forced to retreat since she realised that Archer's Excalibur bluff could be a legitimate threat

>>121892392
>Plenty of Servants are just as strong or stronger than Heracles
It's more like THIS is fucking stupid.
Heracles should have EX strength, mythologically he is RIDICULOUS.
His greatest feat is hefting the celestial sphere (i.e. the body of Ouranos husband of Gaia i.e. a motherfucking planet).
I understand indian mythology gets into ridiculous numbers with universe-destroying bullshit, but indian heroes don't usually literally pick up planets.

>>121892204
There won't be any razor wind if you adapt properly to it, just don't let the motherfucker swing that hard. That razor wind didn't stop EMIYA from fucking his shit up 6 times either.

>>121892282
>Buffed Saber
Herkek please. She only recovered a bit from firing Excalibur. She couldn't even Excalibur properly during the bad end, she was in no way buffed.

>>121892527
>things Nasu never said

>>121892575
Can you keep up with the topic?

>>121892534
I shouldn't get my hopes up, but I don't want to go through seven different dailies at the risk of getting a single monument for a day's worth of grinding.

>>121892602
>His greatest feat is hefting the celestial sphere (i.e. the body of Ouranos husband of Gaia i.e. a motherfucking planet).
I'm pretty sure he originally held up the SKY, not the WORLD.

>>121892492
For the record, I also find Shirou's autopilot swording abilities to be fucking stupid and tenuously justified as well.

>>121892602
Hercules is an example of power creep. Hes stated to be one of the strongest Servants period, but FSN was 11 years ago. Nasu had no idea he could milk Fate and flog it like a dead horse back then.
If Herc was a new Servant coming out now he would be completely insane in terms of stats and shit.

>>121892712
Ouranos is the sky, but greek mythology treated the sky as equal to the earth in every regards, including size and shape, hence it was a sphere.

>>121892640
Q: If the Holy Grail War were set in Europe, would Cu chulainn (Lancer), King Arthur (Saber), and Heracles (Berserker) be roughly equal in power?

A: ...Well, if we’re talking western Europe in general I’d say the first two would be powered up to an equal degree... though England and Ireland, the odds would be sharply in the respective hero’s favor. Heracles would display excellent power in all of western Europe.

>>121892697
At least it's easier to focus on getting for one class now instead of hoping the class you want comes up.

>>121892754
>Hercules is an example of power creep. Hes stated to be one of the strongest Servants period, but FSN was 11 years ago. Nasu had no idea he could milk Fate and flog it like a dead horse back then.
>If Herc was a new Servant coming out now he would be completely insane in terms of stats and shit.
I think you're mistaking Herc's impotence due to PLOT wih his actual abilities. His statsheet is still fucking insane.

The fucker's still broken as hell and in the top ten strongest Servants ever when the PLOT isn't actively conspiring against him.

>>121892754
>Nasu had no idea he could milk Fate and flog it like a dead horse back then.
The funny part all these imperfections and contradictions is that it creates arguments about his work even today.

>>121892429
>Instinct only alerts you from danger
And you have the same ability in order to dodge that (even though you don't even need that).
>Read the Novel
Read about Saber without any desire to fight losing to him and him running out of prana in under 2 minutes? Again? Will do, that's actually funny.
>How is that even going to help if he is pretty much dead anyways?
>muh rank D NPs
>Read the materials
Yeah it's so unusable that it's an active skill in GO (with the same ME rank). Besides I'm pretty sure that it applies only to that "mental interference such as suppression, confusion and charm neutralisation" part.

Stop with your excessive buzzword usage and go back to reddit, holy shit.

>>121892754
Hercules is an example of how the Berserker class can fuck you up unless you are UNRIVALED.

Berserker Herc is such a scrub when compared to Archer or Saber Herc that it's not even funny.
All the shit he can do while not retarded
>Also, Berserker himself possesses the skill to see through an attack he has witnessed before.
>Nine Lives
>Bravery gets its effect back
>He is a known strategist

I seriously doubt even Gil can beat him under anything that isn't Berserker.

>>121892850
>Literally doesn't say Saber can't beat Herc in Japan
Can Herkfags even stay on topic?

>>121892871
>Fucking Spartacus has EX End and Hercules doesnt
Herc would have such a batshit stat page that it wouldnt be funny.
His NP would be different too.

>>121892850
I never understood this. I've asked around 40 people in my country and nobody knows who the fuck Cu chulainn is, yet everyone knows Arthur's name.

>>121893032
Are you in ireland?

>>121893075
Spain.

>>121892898
>And you have the same ability in order to dodge that (even though you don't even need that).
What? What is your point here?

>Read about Saber without any desire to fight
That has nothing to do with overall combat prowess. It's even stated that his skill skyrocketed. Must be fun being so wrong that you have to change the subject in order to damage control.

>Yeah it's so unusable that it's an active skill in GO
So you think Heracles has active Nine Lives and no God Hand? Ok.

>Besides I'm pretty sure that it applies only to that "mental interference such as suppression, confusion and charm neutralisation" part.
Learn to read, it's stated that he would have the boost ONLY if it was operating correctly, it's not.

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>>121893098
Probably a little bit too far away from ireland then.
Doubt many irish could tell you about El Cid either.

>>121893032
Have you read the summaries that Nasu gives Servants?
I dont think a single one accurately reflects either the accepted version of that person or their influence.

>>121892602
Karna punched a Chariot wielding the Weight of the Universe so hard it almost dropped Arjuna from it and Krishna was all 'By all of Brahma's balls no one is supposed to do that!'

>>121893162
What's the most OC donut steel version that Nasu has created? Medusa?

>>121893143
I think he means that Nasu implies both are equally known outside the isles.

>>121893227
Probably.
Medusa originally had a lot in common with Sakura, making their pairing poetic.
Then Medusa was revealed to be even more of an original character then fucking Emiya.

>>121892928
To be fair, the running theme of the Einzberns is to make horrible choices before the fighting even starts

>>121893195
Fair, but Karna was inexplicably supercharged with final boss skills.
Like, he wasn't portrayed as doing anything that crazy for the rest of the Mahabharata.

>>121893227
Ironically Herc's abilities are probably more OC donut steel than Medusa's. Hers are more down to earth and faithful to the original legend than Herc's crazy abilities.

Wait a minute, if there no more Master daily, how are we going to get demon hearts and shits?

Caster ascencion mats day?

>>121893410
They're gone, blow your apples next Sunday

>>121893349
They're a collective of homunculi with no knowledge of their goals directed by an AI and we all know how terrible AI is.

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>Herkeks BTFO when talking about ingame stuff
>Herkeks BTFO when talking about powerlevels
>Herkeks BTFO in polls.
I feel bad for them sometimes

>>121884372
Incoming Mebd did nuthin

>>121893396
Medusas entire class isnt faithful with the legend.
Shes Rider because she gave monster birth to a horse?
Fucking really?

>>121893227
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>>121893396
Gilgamesh.
Gate of Babylon and Enuma Elish both have nothing close to any basis.
Nasu didn't even read the Epic of Gilgamesh.

>>121890775
Any news if you are still able to get scales/hearts from the dailies? Need them for my new Drake acc

>>121893195
That never happened.

>>121892928
It's amusing how this all started by Nasu coming up with some bullshit to answer a question, immediately forgetting it and never bringing it up again. Archer Herc was clearly a joke.

>>121893507
Less than a joke than Assassin Herc, which he somehow qualifies for

>>121893439
Well there is a difference between power level discussion and getting the Servant you want, I am stuck with Hercshit because I can't get any better berserker, I achknowledge every gold zerker to be superior tho(except Retard Cat)

>>121893481
>Nasu didn't even read the Epic of Gilgamesh.
He did, he was just too enamored with his "king of heroes the original myth and source of all legends" OC shit to care.

It's funny because everything Gil has starred in after FSN desperately tries to pull him back closer to his original myth to fix what FSN did to him.

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Is Lancelot the Neo of Fate?

>>121893487
Demons are Casters, so you can farm for hearts every Friday.

If Dragons will stay as Riders, you might be able to farm for ass scales every Thursday.

>>121893481
Gils origin is faithful enough though. Medusas is not only insanely incorrect, but also laughably bad.
I mean, even basic shit is wrong.
Euryale and Stheno are children of two ocean spirits, but are now fucking earth gods?

>>121893478
Astolfo crossdressed ONCE in his entire mtyh
It becomes all of his character in a nutshell

What kind of skillset would a Caster Emiya have?

>>121893478
I still laugh at how dindu nuffin Poseidon didn't rape her and even gifted her Bellerophon.

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>>121893507
Why would Archer Heracles be a joke?
Archer was always supposed to be the "ranger" class who used strategy and flexibility, a hero who overcame numerous odds with cunning and versatile strengths is a good fit.

>>121893619
At least he's still one of Charlemagnes knights.

>>121893657
He can be summoned as an Archer, sure. The idea that Archer Herc is so infinitely better than Berserker Herc seems so far removed from reason when you have Nasu saying that Berserker is a very comfortable fit for him.

>>121893657
Joke because its always brought up. We are never shown anything about it, well there's Prisma but erghh Prisma and everyone keeps yapping on how Archer Herakles would stomp everyone in like 2 days
Power Level Shiposting? Bring Archer Herk

>>121893734
He said Berserker is "familiar", as in it's something he's very used to, not that it's something that benefits him.

>>121893657
Not to mention that a bow with arrows dipped in hydra poison is one of his defining weapons.

He certainly qualifies for the class more than fucking "I shoot polearms out of my magic treasury" Gilgamesh.

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Jeanne Alter when?

>>121893734
>can think, use his skills and use his own NP
Its clearly leagues better.

>>121893650
Item Creation: A
Territory Creation: D

Eye for Art, Eye of the Mind (True), perhaps weak Magic Resistance?

>>121893825
How the fuck is she summonable? How the fuck did she worm her way into the Throne of Heroes? She's not even an aspect of the original Jeanne.

>>121893865
Gilles made a wish on a holy grail.

>>121893865
Because Gilles wanted it, and I guess the Grail decided to oblige. I don't know if this means she becomes a permanent addition to the throne.

>>121893865
Gilles wished really, really hard.

>>121893912
>Jeanne Alter is put in the gacha
>She cannot be rolled before and after France
Perfect.

>>121893958
That's some next level reroll hell right there.

>>121893832
He would have item creation EX

>>121893776
>He certainly qualifies for the class more than fucking "I shoot polearms out of my magic treasury" Gilgamesh.
This part bothers me so much. Nasu's so into his sword fetish that the class that supposed to specialize in ranged combat is only good if they shot swords or heavily used swords to some extent.

>>121893991
Not really, it's really fast to clear Fuyuki. Yes, it takes longer than normal rerolls but you have way more quartz to roll

Why is the FP gacha such a piece of shit? I mean, not only the stuff you get is worthless, but what is the point of EXP orbs there if servants already give more experience than them?

>>121894032
I guess that's true, but since new servants typically get rate-ups, it wouldn't even matter. At least, not until after the event expires.

>>121893991
There were people who were willing to clear Rome just to reroll for Nero before the Nero Festival. Finishing up to Orleans isn't hard.

>>121893832
And Battle Continuation A.

>>121893105
My point is that EAM would be partially or completely negated by the Eye of Mind.
>It's even stated that his skill skyrocketed.
Because of Arondight buff? Must be fun being so wrong, eh?
>So you think Heracles has active Nine Lives and no God Hand?
I think that you're trying to change the subject way too hard. Lancelot has no means to even pierce God Hand except Arondight, yet you keep on spouting bullshit about KoH.
>For him to be damaged, he must be hit by A-rank attacks or above, requiring the opponent to have at least an A-rank "normal attack" registered through their strength statistic, A-rank magecraft, or an A-rank Noble Phantasm.
>Under circumstances where his Eye of the Mind (False) is available, it will bolster his resilience in being able to see through attack previously witnessed
>(Even though Heracles’ sanity was lost due to Mad Enhancement, this skill remained effective as it is nearly an instinct. When crossing swords with a seasoned swordsman like Artoria, he would not fall for half-hearted feints. It is such a troublesome ability for Heracles' opponents. Although monstrous in size, Heracles has a high rank in Agility. As a result, it is very difficult to corner him.)