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Darius edition

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>[OKEANOS]
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20151105
- Scenario written by higashide and nasu (only drake's lines)
- Medea Lily (4*) is the stage unlock servant
- David (3*) is the stage reward servant

>[Drake gatcha event]
November 5 (Thursday) 19:00 to November 18 (Wed) 13:59 JST
- Rate up in the Story gatcha for the new servants and CEs:
- 5*: Francis Drake
- 4*: Anne Bonney & Mary Read
- 3*: Hector, David, Euryale
- 3* Golden Hind, 4* Extra Rin, 5* Hakuno M, 5* Hakuno F CEs
- Check the links above for effects
- No need to complete Okeanos to unlock them
- They will not be removed after the event ends, unlike what the news link says

>[100 Days Breakthrough Campaign]
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- 2 free tickets, 2 apples and some other stuff if you login during this period
- Rewarded only once


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Xth for the UNRIVALED
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Xth for laser beam guaranteed to blow your mind
Anytime~
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>>121851524
Tell me about Darius why does he wears the skirt?
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>you will never hold THIGHS
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>tfw no Drake to go with Girugamesh
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Xth for photon ray
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>Until Death Do Us Part. [noble phantasm] P207
>Byrnhildr Romancia.
>The anti-heart Noble Phantasm that BB bestows upon the Alter Egos.
>This Noble Phantasm is the product of an illegal modification to a normal Noble Phantasm, so its name and effects deviate slightly from the original.
>The servant that became the material used for this Noble Phantasm is the Valkyrie Brynhildr from the Volsunga Saga.
>This Noble Phantasm is the spear of love and hate that Brynhildr brandishes to get her revenge on her husband Sigurd who betrayed her and damaged her honor and reputation.
>Strictly speaking it’s not a true spear. It is Brynhildr’s intense feelings of love and hate toward her husband that have taken the shape of a spear.
>The deeper the love one has for the target of this Noble Phanstasm, the more accurate and damaging it becomes. This weapon will never let their loved one get away, even if their love is completely one-sided. The immediate death effect comes from Passionlip’s Trash & Crash.
>By the way, the original design had a grab and throw move.
>If it locked on to you, you were done for. It would also increase Passionlip’s defense rating 10x, putting her in a super armored state where there is no worry of being significantly damaged. Passionlip advances like a heavy tank, and her claws that changed into the shape of lips would devour the enemy.
>Then, due to using too much power when clenching her claws, her claws would pierce through herself, and both her and her target would take huge damage, and both be wiped out… or something like that.
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>>121851716
Quicker raping.
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SANTAM
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>>121851505
Solomon is the king of 魔術, which is magecraft. True Magic is 魔法.
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I'd let him kill me.
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>>121851723
No no no
I want Thighs to hold me
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>>121851595
He can't be, fucker's only 3 millenia old. There's plenty of True Magic users older than him.
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>>121851892
Not the modern True Magics.

Then again, >>121851850, so it's a moot point.
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>>121851703
>>121851889
Can't remember, was that the HG where she killed 8 people?
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So is the reason why the Pirate Sluts wear bunny suits because they're meant to be harem bitches?
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Someone save me from chimera farming hell
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LIZ THREAD
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>>121851992
Being King of Magecraft doesn't disqualify someone from being able to use True Magic though. It just means he isn't King of True Magic.
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xth for I did it!

920kek hp of stuns ;_;
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This entry talks more about the mythology, although I've seen two translations of one part of it that either does or doesn't diverge from the myth.

>01 - Brynhild Romantia (Until Death Do Us Part)'
>The Noble Phantasm that BB granted to this Alter Ego.
>This Noble Phantasm strikes with more accuracy and does more damage the deeper her love toward the target is. Even if it's utterly one-sided, she will never let her loved one escape.
>The Servant this Noble Phantasm was made from is the valkyrie, Brynhild, who appears in "The Völsunga Saga." The spear of love and hatred that she wielded in order to get revenge on her husband, Sigurd who betrayed her and wounded her honor. Strictly speaking, not the spear itself, but the deep love and hatred Brynhild felt for Sigurd that has taken the shape of a spear.
>In "The Völsunga Saga," the fearless hero Sigurd (Siegfried) takes Brynhild, who was sleeping encircled by flame, as his wife. But afterwards, Sigurd betrays her, presenting her as his brother-in-law's wife. At first, Brynhild believed that this was due to Sigurd drinking alcohol which caused him to lose his memories and accepted these events as her immutable fate.
>However, she came to know that, in reality, Sigurd had already regained his memories by that time. In the end, Brynhild killed the man she loved most in the entire world via a conspiracy and then freely took her own life in order to follow after him.
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>>121852039
Yes, it was.
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>>121851992
>Not the modern True Magics.
Kaleidoscope falls under that category and Zelretch is ancient.
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>>121852202
Nice.
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dat Jack
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Every fucking day. Every single fucking day when I come home this little faggot just sits there and gives me this stupid look on her face. What should I do about her? Ideas?
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>>121852375
Tell her to kill herself.
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>>121852306
Zelretch is probably only around 1000 years old. Definitely at least 800 or so. Old, sure, but nowhere near as old as Solomon.

Then again, we have no idea how old the First True Magic is.
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>>121852375
Call her princess.
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>>121852193
Xth for Bryn being thirsty as fuck.
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>>121852375
You should pat her head
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>>121852375
Laugh at her.
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>>121851875
But first you need to hold the card in your hand anon. And you'll never get the card.
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>>121852470
Arc was born a good deal of time after CM died, so he's probably at least 1500-2000+
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does a servant's luck stat do anything???
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>>121852375
Burn her
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Rum-fueled orgies with Drake
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>>121852375
Ask her why is she so tiny.
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>>121852489
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Xth for best worst king.

Also, a TL of this would be nice if anyone is willing.
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>>121852539
Whoa, I know why people want to roll her so badly. She's good at hiding it though, I never would have guessed just from her artwork.
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>>121852193
No way, did the Siegfried we all know and love do this? The Champion of Justice we all strive to be?
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>>121852692
We don't know that for sure, do we? We just know for a fact that she was born at some point after he died because of this piece of official art.
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>>121852539
Bryn best girl
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>>121851647
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>>121852697
Luck is the ability to overcome an absolute fate, its the mark of a hero.

A hero is one who overcame fate in some way, in order to become a hero, they did something impossible.

It effects certain abilities, and gives you greater odds of doing something impossible typically.
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>>121852868
>implying
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>>121852829
I dunno, her face makes her look repressed.
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>>121852926
Silly anon, Karna is not an Assassin.
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>>121852829
The reason she's so thirsty is because of the potion she drank though.
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>>121852941
She came off as more shy and reserved to me, but yeah, now that I look at her I can see it.
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Did he do anything wrong?
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>>121852926
>tfw I want them both
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>>121852845
There something talking about how the TA castle was dormant for a long time before Arc manifested it. That's a long time for immortal beings as well.
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>>121853072
Morally wrong, no, I don't think so.

But he mad quite a few misunderstandings that fucked him over.
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Every thread until Astolfo
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Come to think of it, Christmas was Arc's birthday wasn't it?
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The Pelican is cuter.
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>>121852916
does it affect gameplay?
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You're a piece of shit, Fou-kun
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>>121853134
How many mana transfers did they perform?
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>>121852868
>I will never have her
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>>121853165
Brunestud traveled the Earth a lot, didn't he? That's how he amassed followers like Merem Solomon and Gransurg Blackmore. It's not unreasonable that he just didn't return to his castle for centuries before he died.

The point is, there is very, very little we can say with certainty about Zelretch and Brunestud.
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>>121853284
No heroic stats affect gameplay, except a vague ephemeral relationship with Strength and Attack, that isn't absolute to any degree.
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>>121853329
>inb4 "Great success gave you twice the bonus!"
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>>121852828
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G-Sakura the movie is never coming out at this rate.
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>>121853592
Still waiting for Neco-Arc: The Movie.
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>>121852306
>>121852470
>>121852692
>>121852845
We don't know exactly, but considering Nasu's huge fetish for repeating numbers, I'm willing to bet the downfall of the Crimson Moon was in the year 1000.
Because then "the prophecy" is made in (or about) the year 2000, and the bloody red moon shines again in the year 3000.
Arc is only about 800, so that gives 200 years of room for Zel to get old looking between becoming a vampire and Arc's creation.
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>>121853592
There's still hope for having it by 2020.
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Please tell me that there is a better place than the 30ap quest for getting archer monuments. The drop rate is almost zero.
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So Gaia flipped its shit about humanity and created the True Ancestors over 4000 years ago.

... the Epic of Gilgamesh takes place roughly over 4000 years ago.

Was Gilgamesh what caused Gaia to flip its shit in the first place?
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>>121853364
I don't know. Either a lot or not at all, but NotShirou seems to be the type to reject her advances, making her that much thirstier. I've only read the first volume.
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>>121853410
>That original lord of Castle Brunestud died long ago, but ever since those True Ancestors capable of forming the castle have been uplifted as royalty.

Though I'm not sure if long ago is in reference as to when she started manifesting it (I think Arc is the first to do so) or present time.
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>>121852697
increased chance in drops
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>>121853498
>tfw I want more art of the cute doctor but, it doesn't look like much is coming anytime soon
He needs to have a lead roll in an event so people start loving him.
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>>121853765
That actually fits the lore really, really well, especially when you add in the fact that vampires were just not a thing that existed when Gilgamesh was around.

Deepest lore.
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What the fuck was the point of the True Ancestors anyways if they seemingly had absolutely zero impact on human history.
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>>121853753
Orion event
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>>121853498
Why is David so lewd?
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>>121853765
Might have been the death of Humbaba, guardian king of the forests.
Sounds like a mighty nature elemental to me.
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>>121854004
>Zero impact
Humanity used to have humans powerful enough to kill actual, legitimate gods. When was the last time a person did that?
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>>121854004
Is just Nasu's hardon for "true". Retard will add it to anything if he gets to write about it long enough.
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>>121853765
Maybe.

Gil's time period in the Nasuverse is asking to be explored. A world full of crazy magical shit, gods, demigods, yet not heroes besides, Gilgamesh and Enkidu. All untamed and shit.

I would love to see see a short of LN or something detailing Gil's adventures in the early Nasuverse. Having him figure shit out and maybe get the ball rolling on plot points later, etc.

The reason he became such a hardass for wanting strong humans is because he knew about all the crazy shit that would happen later, perhaps.
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>>121854004
Earth was rused the whole time.
The purpose of the True Ancestors was to be a vessel for Brunestud's return.
Of course they end up doing very little for earth.
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What skill of drake gets upgraded?
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>>121854130
>When was the last time a person did that?
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>>121853992
I guess they don't make bras big enough for giant fighting girls
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>>121854004
Keep in mind they've been effectively extinct for the last 800 years.

That aside, the majority of the species basically existed as insurance just in case humans got really out of hand, primarily. Secondarily, both Brunestud and Gaia had their own not-entirely-mutually-exclusive plans for them. Gaia wanted a being worthy of acting as her Type from them, and Brunestud wanted potential vessels in case his physical body was ever destroyed.
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>>121854130
That's not due to the ancestors, Arc even flat out says what happened to humans during her route in Tsukihime.

Humans are just as strong as they ever were, but not individually anymore. Before when there were less humans, they were all about that powerful, but as there were more the power spread out between them.

>>121854276
G/O stage 8
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>>121854345
Ryougi's kill list is infinitely less impressive than Nanaya's despite the gap in their MEoDP proficiency
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>>121854286
Bayoneta as fuck.
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>>121854345
Shiki hasn't killed any gods, and the only reason she would be able to is because of Void Shiki, which isn't even her
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>>121854339
Who knows. She was never in any magazine scans or anything IIRC.
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Is time to waste quartz and sniff for ascension items.

What a fun game.
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>>121851647
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>>121854475
Its also confirmed Ryougi or Void was bullshitting a bit, she can't kill god or the universe. Its a habit of hers to say shit like that even if its not entirely accurate.

Nasu later had to interview about that shit.
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>>121854638
stop forcing your meme, dummy
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>>121853779

What's the deal with NotShirou anyways? Why does he look like a kotomine version of EMIYA if he's some unrelated dude?
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>>121854880
Poorly executed author baiting
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>>121854431
>G/O stage 8

Can't wait for the Autumn 2017 release date...

That said yeah i'm hype for it. I want to see Gil and Enkidu tag-team Solomon like the good old days.
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>>121854638
What would bring a man to create this?
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>>121854963
butthurt memecules fag
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>only gold servants are waver, lancelot and herc

this team doesn't work right
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>>121854880
It was bait
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>>121854880
It's just a red herring.
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>>121854339
She gained Golden Rule B and Riding B, that's it.

Voyager of the Storms effects are just like Blackbeard and Pioneer of the Stars is only on her and Da Vinci-chan, so it could be anything at the time.
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xth for best Archer
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>>121854638
>herckek
>better than anyone
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>>121854880
The same reason why Nero looks like Arturia.

Contrived rusing.
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>run a hgw war with fgog autists
>it'll be fun they said
If anyone is thinking of doing this, pls don't unless you're masochistic.
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>>121854880
>Why does he look like a kotomine version of EMIYA if he's some unrelated dude?

To fool the reader at first as they overreact "WHAT, FUCK NASU, WHAT DID HE DO TO SHIROU, THIS IS STUPID", when the clues were there from the start that he really wasn't Emiya anything. His facial structure and several other things aren't even close, but people just go "Has the hair, has the skin, Its gotta be him!" as anything else just escapes their radar.

As long as one or two points might be the same, people might accidentally overlook anything else and go "What the fuck did you do, its different" only for the answer to be "Yeah, its different, because its not the same thing at all".

He's a servant from the third grail war, originally he looked more like this, when he looked like this he wouldn't have been confused as Emiya anything so its not like he naturally looks like Emiya, he stayed in the world in-between wars, at one point he roomed with the Kotomine family, for ten years he spent time in the dessert which made his hair go white with stress only for it to turn out meaningless, and right before the war he decided to update his look because he had been in the world for awhile by now.

Amakusa Shirou, a famous Japanese Christian saint.
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>>121855268
>performed two miracles in the span of about 20 seconds
>willpower so great as to beat Gaia itself
>willpower so great as to be immune to command spells
>literally the most powerful hero of all mentally, with only Karna coming close
>and physically he's still king of beefcakes
Gameplay aside Heracles is the coolest
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>>121855343

No one one seriously thought that Red Saber was supposed to be Arthuria right?

>>121855368

Come on anon it can't be that bad, what happened?
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>>121855029
Lancelot and Waver work well together, but you need someone to gather stars.
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>>121855368
I can't believe anyone actually thought that would be a good idea.

Naduverse RPG campaigns can be fun but everyone really has to be working together behind the curtain.
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>>121855437
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>>121855472
An anon went full murderhobo
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>>121854962
Solomon will be stage 7, in Jerusalem

In Babylon you find the real real one behind this.

>>121855472
People did at the time at first
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>>121855468
>couldn't even handle Gilgamesh by himself
into the garbage it goes.
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>>121855268
Why are you pretending UBW is canon? Are you a secondary?
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>>121855437

>but people just go "Has the hair, has the skin, Its gotta be him!" as anything else just escapes their radar.

Or maybe it's because his name is literally Shirou Kotomine?
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>>121855576
Are they a Lancelot fag?
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>>121855437
To be fair, literally the only other characters with those lightning-bolt eyebrows are Shirou and Archer. That was the big clue everyone latched on to.
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>>121855576
There's always a nutjob in every HGW, seems reasonable.
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>>121855539
Isn't there like 3 hgw right now because they DID think it was a good idea?
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>>121855368
We warned you the gm would be a sacrifice
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>>121855437
He has the same fucking zigzag eyebrows that were the only distinguishing feature Shirou and Archer shared.

Face it, they drew an EMIYA and called it a saint.
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>>121855437
Dude he has the kinked eyebrows, how could we not think it was Shirou?
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>>121855632
Gil had to cheat to overcome the mightiest demigod, standard "this hero wasn't allowed to show their real power" that affects literally every servant in Fate/Stay Night except Sasaki Kojirou.
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>>121855703
Yes, and they were fools.
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With the recent change of Drake being a 5*, what are the chances Da Vinci-chan will also become one?
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>>121855867
Was there ever any doubt before?
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>>121855576
Cool!
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>>121855867
100%
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>>121855576
He's obviously a member of the church of COOOORU
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>>121855751
with that logic Hercules is so garbage that he needs extra lives to be threat
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>>121854194
>true quartz
>true gacha
>reserved exclusively for true whales
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>>121855701
Before I edited his backstory, he literally spent 2 pages describing his mastery of the japanese katana. Than afterwards, he randomly changes from katana to martial arts since katana is "lame" before going on about a story of killing 100 other martial artists...oh and hes a modern day ninja too. If it wasn't for him rolling as he did, he was apparently going to get psychic abilities and mystic eyes too
If this is not autistic, I don't known what is
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>>121855576
That seems kinda cool, actually.
Who's the murderhobo?
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>>121855472
The marketed Red Saber as "Oh hey! We have a new artist WADARCO, she will be redesigning Saber for this new game. It will not be Takeuchi's style and the game will take place on a different timeline so characters may look different."

Heck, Archer looks so fucking different that he may as well be a different servant altogether.
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>>121855472
>>121855580
The most common theory before Fate/Extra's release was that she was Lucius Artorius Castus, especially since Nasu teased that her name begins with "Lu". (Nero's birth name was Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus.)
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My queen may be a 5* in the future, but I'm saving all my quartz to prepare for her arrival. The chances may be almost non-existent, but my joy would be indescribable the day that she will finally grace me with her prescense
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>>121856079
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>>121856079
Should've let him be all of that
It sounds so ridiculous that it might have been fun
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>>121856079
>2 pages
That's normal, have you seen the stories on /tg/, they're like 10+ pages
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>>121856185
my bad, i meant presence
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>>121856185
Oh boy, here we go again.
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>>121856079
It sounds stupid as shit, but that character would probably be really damn fun to fight against.
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>>121856079
>he literally spent 2 pages
Meh, that's nothing.
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>>121856079
>not letting him have fun
you're a bully anon
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>>121856185
>post yfw this faggot will spend more than Drake anon and possibly Keripo trying to get her
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>>121856398

If drake anon can do it, so can semiramisanon. You gotta have hope!
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First 5* Lancer when?
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>>121856079
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King Tut when?
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If the GMs doing the tabletop hgws are around, is it alright if I can get an invite? I'd like to observe to get ideas.
Also, >>121856079 sounds like a treat to watch.
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>>121854429
Even if the True Ancestors went extinct, their progeny the Dead Apostles continued to exist.

Really though this artificial divide Nasu seems to put up between Fate lore and Tsukihime lore is silly. There is apparently this rich, complicated lore on the history of vampires that somehow has almost zero intersection with the rest of the alternative fantasy history he wrote aside from a few passing mentions. Dragons appear like fucking flies in the Servant bios but not a single vampire? To the point where Dracula and Carmilla are fake popular culture vampires who had zero interaction with the real thing aside from Dracula getting blamed for some of Night of Wallachia's shit?
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>>121856579
Isn't she confirmed as 4* in the leak?
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>>121856579
London. March at the earliest.
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>>121856579
Lancer Artoria will be a main character in Jerusalem.
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>>121856673
The same leak that stated Drake to be a 3*?
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>>121856579

Never.
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>>121856079
>/fgog/ makes a master
Why is it so easy to imagine someone here making a master like that?
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>>121856673
DW can easily flip their hats last minutes as seen with Orion (originally 4*) Calico's whores (5*) and Drake (3*)
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>>121856819
Memes and autism are in the blood.
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>>121856717
>Arthuria clones
>ever being a 5*
The Original is supreme
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>>121856673
Probably will be changed because she has tits and karna and enkidu aren't anywhere near from completion
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>seven fucking plumes
He's not even good, what the fuck
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>>121856819
If you asked me to design a Master I'd probably make a dumb meme one like a middle aged man who was horrifically injured when he was younger and had most of his face burned off.

His Servant would be Ishtar.
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>>121856079
I'm almost certain he's fucking with you.
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>>121856673
>Enkidu is nowhere to be seen and will probably be limited until Babylon if he gets released anytime soon
>She is massively popular and a poster servant
>Karna doesn't even have art
>Brynhildr is her only other competition with an art placeholder currently in the game
She'll be 5*
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>>121857051
>literal god servant
Not allowed.
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>>121857029
He's a cool oji-san, do it for him!
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>>121856079
>to martial arts since katana is "lame" before going on about a story of killing 100 other martial artists

Isn't that basically pic related's story?
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First Ascension!
I've been waiting to get this version of Lancer before I first dropped the game.
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Is it even worth it to invest any resources into 3* servants save for the quartz quests?
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>>121856661
Where would Nasu be able to insert True Ancestors or Dead Apostles that wouldn't seem like egregious historical fanfiction?
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For fucks sake give me my other 3 cards game
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>>121857140
>the joke
>your head
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TOHSAKA when?
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>>121856185
I hope she'll have cool unique animations like attacking with her doves.
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>>121857363
*2
Fuck, dammit phone
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>>121857465
It looks like she's sticking something up her butt.
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>>121857298
only if you either have nothing else to level, or if you really like the servant

they can be handy for filling in cost, but that's about it. and even then, it's usually better to just shuffle around CEs to hit a cost limit.
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Li Shuwen vs Kojiro when?
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>>121857298
Well because of the low cost, you're either going to use a 3* or under as filler or Mashu which is still capped at level 40.
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>>121857298
Waifuism, mostly. Or because you think they're cool.
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>>121857465
Babylon.
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>>121857298
Some 3* Servants are really good. Cu, Robin Hood, Medusa, Ushi.
But if you have the means or luck to constantly roll 4* or 5*, then save the materials for those.
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Is there any actually new player here? like someone who just started with whatever in his account?
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>>121857853
Me
I just started france
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>>121857853
I had a friend start near the end of the Halloween event

He rolled casko on his fourth roll
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>>121857678
Medusa is good?
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>>121857943
Post team
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Is any servant stronger than pic related?

>all she has to do is touch you to kill you
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>>121858189
Arash
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Why does the last AP quest in Okeanos drop so many nuts?
Where do these Amazonian women hide them?
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>>121858189
Objectively, No Name Assassin must be stronger for having literally the same ability+17 more noble phantasms. (Including "only has to swipe a really long arm in your general direction to kill you")
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Who /lovessakura/ here?
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>>121857998
He has a 5* then, I want people with only one, new account with not really good stuff
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Fuck Oceanis and all its fucking archers.
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>>121858347
Calm down Saber
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>>121858269
You and me both. Parvati when?
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>>121857308
We have like half a dozen bloodsuckers in this game already, none who are Dead Apostles.
Shit's getting ridiculous senpai.
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>>121856185
I'm saving quartz for Parvati.

Who else /saving/ here?
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>>121858347
>archers
But they have guns! They are gunners!
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>>121858269

Passionlip is better, anyone have any pics of her wearing clothes like pic related?
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>>121858228
Arash raping Serenity doujin when?
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>>121858543

Gunner actually is a class though, EMIYA mentions it in EXTRA.
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>>121858539
>Who else /saving/ here?
See >>121858456
>>
BRAVE CHAAAAAAIIN

Based Kintoki support.
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>>121858556
The sadist is actually the best of the bunch, funnily enough.
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>>121858283
>>121857853
Well if any new player sees this I'll be around for a while
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>>121857853
I started last wednesday. This game is literally suffering.
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>>121858539
Saving for best girl
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Out of curiosity, how many 5* servants do you guys have?
I've only gotten one from a golden ticket and I've been playing since release.
Haven't managed to get any from the countless 10 draw gachas I've done.
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>>121858771
Well well, post an email with an in-battle screenshot
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>>121858918
One and I consider myself lucky with this shitty gatcha. In before ex rank luck fags with four or five.
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>>121858918
1, drake
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>>121858918
Four, I've played since-- two weeks after release I guess? I definitely missed out on the Unlimited Maintenance Works.
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>>121858918
0 and 've been playing this shit since the 2nd of August,
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>>121858048
I was going to but then
I saw >>121858771
Let him have it
I have two golds anyway
even though one was from the Gil event ( Marie)
a friend gave me that starter
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>>121858918

Casko and Atiilla for me
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>>121858918
1, Jeanne.
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>>121858918
2. Jeanne and Drake.
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>>121858918
Two: Orion and Casko
I didn't actually play the game until Orion event but I rerolled when the game came out and gave up when I didn't get a 5 star but had a 4 Star account hording gems.

I only really want Scathach
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>>121858918
Exactly one, Attila.
I haven't rolled a single other hero above 3 stars. Heracles and Elizabeth Caster round out my party as event golds.
Though, I do have Cuchulainn who by general opinion is said to be as good as a 4 star.
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>>121858918
Account 1: 0
Account 2: 2
Account 3: 1
Guess which one has been playing since release
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>>121858918
Only a Kintoki i got after trying to roll for Alter, i do have 4 4* stars not counting hallo-liz so is not that bad.
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>>121858918
Four all with meme rolls probably of desire sensor because the only servant I want is Arjuna.
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>>121858918
Vlad, Tamamo, and Waverone day I'll level Waver...

All 3 were rolled with singles after apologems went out.
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>>121858918
>spend 120 quartz all at once
>tfw I only get trash
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>>121858918
Gilgamesh, Seibah, Altera, Tamamo, Drake, Kintoki, Vlad, Jeanne
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>>121858918
2 on my main, 3 on my alt.
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>>121858918
Jeanne and Drake.
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>>121858918
One with Gil + Kintoki
One with Drake
One with Jeanne
The first one was given to me
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>>121858918
I got Attila and an Arthuria that I didn't even want.
I also have a Gil on another account, but that one I got from a kind anon so I don't really count it.
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>>121859391
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>>121858918
main: gil, attila, vlad
alt1: seibah, attila, kintoki
alt2:jeanne kintoki, drake
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>>121858918
None. I've memerolled two Alters and a Carmilla and chose a free Cake.

Ten rolls are scams and I've gotten nothing good from them
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>>121858771
post email, I have an attila and weibah account to spare
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>>121858918
2, Arturia and Drake on the same first 10-roll in a new account.
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>>121858918
2 (technically 3 if doubles count). My first roll ever was Vlad. My most recent roll was Artoria.
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>>121858918
Main: 1
Alt: 2 from meme rolling singles
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>>121858918
I've got none.
I've been playing since release.

I have three 4*s. I've rolled 4 4*s but two were double ups on servants I've already had (one I rolled twice, one I rolled once but it was the same as the one I chose for the Gil event).

I'm hoping I'm just saving my luck for when a 5* I actually want is added to the gacha. For the record I'm complete f2p.
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>>121859137
[email protected]
Thank you anon!
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Does this effect Noble phantasm? Just meme rolled it.
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>>121859573
But what if the only 5* I wanted was Waver?
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>>121859902
You dipshit, that's actually a really good question. I would test but the only servant i have with a quick NP is unrivaled
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How many maxed servants do you have across all of your accounts?

I have, from all of my accounts
Saber Lily
Vlad
2 Caster Liz
Gil
Kintoki
Jeanne
Hassan
Fluffy
Koyasu Caster
Retard Cat
Evil Cat
Anne and Mary
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>>121860001
Nigga how do you not have Sasaki.
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>>121860037

Hello whale-kun!
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>>121859902
I doubt it, doesn't NP damage have it's own specific skill?
But then again, the character native buster up skill does affect NP.
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>>121858918
Zero 5*s after about 200 quartz, which is pretty normal. I've been playing since late July.
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>>121860087
Fed him to Mashu after I was done with France. Have not rolled one since. I actually kind of want him back.
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>>121860037
None
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>>121859937
I would hope you'll never roll him then.
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>>121859794
so, do you want an account, or did someone already give you one
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>>121860037
None, stuck at hearts, plumes, reverse scales and rider monuments
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>>121860037
Only have Fluffy. I haven't really been motivated to fully ascend anyone else.
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>>121860146
>>121859902
Formalcraft buffs Arts NP's, so I'd assume that card buffs Quick NP's.
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>>121859794
Sent
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Oh boy cake without scope is gonna be rough. Gonna do some testing.
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>>121860037
Jeane at lvl 80.
Did the final ascension, but just the thought of farming for the exp needed for lvl 90 is killing me.
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>>121860001
Test it.
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>>121860037
I have two (including Casliz), and soon to be three. They are only 3*s though.
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>>121860228
You giving out accounts? I'm about to make my very first account
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>>121860228
Sure
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>>121860037
Vlad, Pirate Sluts, EMIYA, and Jing Ke.
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>>121858918
2. One from tickets and the other from the quartz of Saber Lily
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>>121860417

Is there a more OP master/servant team out there?
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>multiple accounts

how do you guys do it? 2 emulators and your phone/tablet?
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>>121860228
Can you not read? some guy is giving something to new players
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>>121860539
By reading the OP.
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>>121860037
Attila and Jeanne.

Technically Jeanne is only maxed by name, she's not at 90 yet.
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>>121860516
same master except with Rider Whore of Babylon
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>>121860539
fategrandorder1
fategrandorder2
fategrandorderJETS
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>>121860387
Switch cake with alter
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>>121860037
EMIYA and Vlad
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>>121860743
I'm testing to see if imaginary around buffs cake np ult.
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Man, I really dig the Okeanos map music. I could listen to this all day.
>>
I was thinking of getting a friend into this
Do you mind if I leave his email here?
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>>121860595
all I read is someone telling him to post his e-mail
that only implicitly states an account giveaway, I was just making sure when I give away accounts that it's actually going to be used
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>>121860940
sent
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>>121858918
I had absolutely none before rolling my Captain. But now I have 4. Jeanne, Waver, Atilla and of course, My beloved Captain!
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>>121860516
yes
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>>121860960
i'll use it
[email protected]
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>>121860940
>getting friends into this hell
Some friend you are.
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>>121860037
I have Gil maxed out, and both Nero and Emiya are one ascension away. The rest are all two or more.
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Allright so when you use the ult effect it's damage?
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>>121861020
I could fap to this.
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>>121860516
Hakuno x any servant
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>>121858918
Two, Arthuria and Drake. On the same account, too.
I wish I got them on my account with actual ascension items, but w/e.
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>>121860940
here it is
[email protected]
>>121861058
He likes Fate and actually wants to use Tamamo even I told him multiple times that she's not rollable at the moment.
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>>121858269
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>>121861036
post your servant screen
>>
Hold the fuck on account giver these faggots are just flipping these get some more info.
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>>121861274
Why are you posting his email?
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>>121858918
I got a tamamo and only have one account. I can't believe how lucky I got since it was just a random 10 roll the first day of the Halloween event. Playing since iOS.
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>>121861020
Saber x Rin is best couple
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>>121861274
Have you told him how shit his odds of rolling any 5* are? I don't see the point in him getting into this game until she's actually released and has another rate up.
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>>121858918
Arturia, Attila, Orion on my main.

Drake on an Alt.

Been playing since mid-August.

I have a decent roster of 4*s as well. Maybe about 12 or so gold servants not counting duplicates.
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What's the deal with the girl at the center? She has a raccoon tail
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>>121860539
By installing multiple instances of the game?
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>>121861523
is dis nigga srs
>>
Imaginary around does in fact buff np damage by 25%.
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>>121861396
that's why I asked this
>>121861368
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>>121861523
That's her scabbard.
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Holy shit why are these wolfmen and centaurus so fucking strong.

How do you expect me to farm these fucking horseshoes if I can't even win against them.
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>>121861523

It's just nasu being historically accurate.
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Can someone post the PSD icons?
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>>121861368
I started yesterday please save me ;_;
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>>121861602
>Altera
>Stheno
>>
>>121861406
Don't worry
He knows I was going to post it.
because Facebook and reddit won't do him justice
The trading subreddit won't do much in his favor because of rules concerning new accounts
and He can't get into the F/GO trading group on FB and is never awake for their giveaways on the english group
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>>121861739
>6 minutes to post screenshot
>all servants at level 1
account seller, please try harder
>>
>>121861739
>posts a reroll account
>I started yesterday xD
>>
>>121861819
I know but why? no one offered you anything
>>
>>121861663
I thought we've established before that Buster/Quick/Arts booster do, in fact, boost NP damage?
>>
>>
all the icons I have
http://imgur.com/a/Wuz0A
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>>121861931
It's account seller #2
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>>121861697
Does anyone have more of these exploded servant sprites?
it's a fetish
>>
>>121861717
>>121861697
Well that's cool. Why wouldn't you use a normal sheath anyway.
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>>121862031
What kind of killing technique is this?
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>>121862042
could you post the PSD, so I can make custom ones on photoshop?
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>>121862119
The only other one I bothered to save.
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>>121862042
I was just about to ask for the Gil and Attila ones. Thanks, anon.
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>>121862175
Incest, mind breaking Aoko into being her obedient sex slave
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>>121858918
Three on my alts, and five(six with dupes) on my main.
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>>121862042
shit secondary icons desu
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Can someone post the download links for the other APKs ( non cheat)?
Mine always end up with conflicting signatures
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>>121862202
>tfw I would max ascend her if her requirements weren't so insane
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>>121861842
>>121861860
How do I level Servants?
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>>121862202
It is suddenly very warm in here.
They were posted before? I'll go find them in the archive.
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>>121862202
>Matahari's chest is a separate sprite by itself
My sides
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>>121862504
Just go away.
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>>121862496
>plumes
>gears
>snake jewels
>ghost lanterns
Who thought this was okay?
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>>121862504
Better post the other accounts you have, bitchboy.
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>>121862496
It's not that bad.
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>>121862119
Have a Caesar
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>level 40 Mashu on friendlist

based as fuck
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Mata Hari is pretty useful despite what she says, her ability is pretty good for spying or close range assassination. Just disguise her or change her clothes every day and use a command seal to teleport her if she's in danger or sit back and let every other servant kill each other and kill the last remaining master.
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>>121853498
>>121853980
>>121854092
I'm wondering, are the gay posters on /fgog/ fujoshi or actually gay dudes
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>>121862496
I'll probably end up doing that, Mata saved my ass in the France way back in the August.
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>Romulus stuck at plumes
>Cu fucking wants talons
Jesus christ, why are Lancers so greedy as shit. Hector better not ask for Hearts or I am done with the class
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>>121862178
I use gimp, so here's the .xcf file
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>>121862782
>dem thighs
>dat fapping arm
>dat dream filled belly
o bby
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>>121862940
His second ascension asks for Horseshoes
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>>121862841

Exactly, Secret Intel A++ literally REMOVES ANY HOSTILITY FROM HER and makes it so that you can't detect her as a enemy. She'd be fucking OP in a HGW
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>>121862782
And a skeleton for those who don't like Caesar's roundness.
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>>121862946
fuck, forgot link
http://www.mediafire.com/view/eqs07ctjaa4hnms/FGOIconedit.xcf
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>>121855751
Gil didn't cheat at all, this is literally how his power works. He's an owner of things, an artillery type who uses his treasures as Gatling. Its like saying Heracles is cheating if he uses godhand or his strong muscles. Even Gilgamesh expressed disappointment that this is all the guy was, since he expected a real fight here and ended up beating him without effort.

Gilgamesh trashing Heracles is supposed to demonstrate how Gil's power works, as its something that no hero can overcome.

As Shirou puts it, no hero can fight war itself, unless they are also war. He''s a hero that no hero can rightfully overcome, as he is their origin.

Only chance you have is if your power is incredibly geared towards beating down him in particular generally. If your power is Anti-Gilgamesh, otherwise you are dead.
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>>121862940
Hector needs 7 plumes for his final ascension. So does FSN Cu.
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>>121862940
He doesnt
>>121863040
He doesnt
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>>121863040
Welp, at this point I'd rather feed my Lancer exp to Cake
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Just found out this general exists.
Is there some kind of optimal strategy or is the best thing to do just stocking NP to nuke every fatal battle?
I've also been wondering for a while, did one of the patches way back nerf the wyvern enemies?
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>>121863097
Gil cheated by attacking Illyasviel, you dolt.
He bound Heracles' movements by forcing him to defend his master above all else. Despite the fact that Heracles is one of the fastest servants with a supernatural danger ability to enhance his dodging.
He was figuratively shooting a demigod in a barrel.
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>>121858265
>Objectively, No Name Assassin must be stronger

You'd say No Name is also stronger than Spooky Hassan, yet at the time of his inclusion it was noted that she didn't perfectly replicated all of the various Zabainya to begin with.

Some of them she had only heard about in passing and thus did not entirely understand, so they might have come out worse than the real thing, or potentially better.

For a battle of Assassins though, the only determining factor is who gets the first strike.
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>>121858918
3 5*s with over 100 quartz and some tickets left

one account, f2p, no refunds
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The way to 90 is going to be hell

>>121863142
>he doesn't
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/servant_ascension.php#064
5 of them to be exact
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>>121863059
Could a Caster divine her identity?
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>>121863247
yes, that's one of the better strategies
inb4 muh BBC
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>>121863262
This is war, she was part of the battle as well, it wasn't cheating.

Ilya could have tried to attack Shinji if she wanted, but she was too pinned down to ever try.

Attacking the master is a valid strategy, for which the opposing servant must make sure to defend against. The fact that Assassin exists at all tells you that this is entirely part of how the contest works.
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>>121863497
Attacking the master still prevents the servant from showing their real ability, which was the point.
And Assassin is a rigged class designed to lose the war, same as the other non-knights.
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>>121862756
All of her mats are either a pain in the ass to farm or unfarmable
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>>121863262
Illya is retarded and always near Herc on the battlefield it's her own damn fault for being so close in the shooting range.
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>>121863568
>Attacking the master still prevents the servant from showing their real ability, which was the point.

You gotta deal with that shit, that's part of how the fights work. As long as Ilya is on the battlefield, she's probably going to be targeted. Hide her away before it starts if that's what you wish.
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Who's on Gilles' book?
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>>121863462

Maybe Gilles can, since he has Eye For Art

>If he happens to see a Noble Phantasma that poses artiistic anecdotes, there is a small chance that he might be able to figure out it's true name.
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>>121863739
Do you have the Attila?
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Isn't the game too easy for new players? You can just do whatever you want and let the overleveled support carry until they hit the hard levels in France
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>>121863912
Stheno in next post.
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>>121863754
>Noble Phantasm
>artistic anecdotes
Are you serious right now?
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Shirou summoned saber gilles instead of Arturia, how does the story changes?
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>>121863059
>>121863462
anyone Ruler with True Name Discernment could identify her with a luck check
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>>121863993
You got an archive of these?
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>>121864045
Lancer kills them both in about 30 seconds.
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>>121864123
I only have the pre-halloween sprites on me
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>>121863993
Damn, I kinda wanted the sword from mars to be completed.
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>>121863993
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>>121864045
Dies to Cu Chulainn, game is unwinnable, FSN sales are abysmal, Type-Moon goes bankrupt, FGO is never made.
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>>121864053
Discernment of the Poor from Karna may also be able to tell you she is hiding something and that one should be wary of her
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>>121864192
>>121864261
Is he shit as an actual servant too?
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>>121863059
She can be detected as an enemy if her allies do something to indict her though, her bio also makes her sound really potentially clingy towards her master

If she can charm the enemy masters though she'd be ridiculous, especially if they can get them to turn over their command seals to her master or convince them to order suicide.
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>>121864045
He kicks Gil's ass anyway and fucks Rin. Nasu writes this garbage, it doesn't make sense.
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This is hell.
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>>121862178
I'm the guy who made the Gil, Jet and Attila icons.

If you want, here's the pdn (for paint.net) of the icons.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3sqUVKKkyuEWktsdGtST0Mya0U
The most useful part is the clouds background, which I resized to look like the original icon.
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>>121864216
Yeah a link to that would be nice. Halloween and beyond can be added later.
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>>121863993
Where does Attila's hair end and her head-towel begin?
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>>121864345
https://madokami.com/ondbe6.rar
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>>121852539
>into ryona

yee bitch
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>>121864318
Don't bully the best Saber
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>>121864328
It's only beginning.
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>>121864314
She's not really dangerous or hiding anything, or something to be wary about though.

She's not really evil or powerful after all.

Her biggest advantage is being able to control everyone in the area including servants if they don't have an ability that cancels mental interference.

Using it risks giving herself away though, and she'll die if she's seen through probably.

So as a fighter she'll likely just stick to getting info, being a non-fighter, and blending in. She's great at getting info.
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>>121864513
Thanks mang.
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>>121864513

>tamamo doesn't have nipples

immersion ruined
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>>121864589
Are you fucking defending Mata Hari on an actual HGW? Do you need the wankers to remind you of how broken some actual good servants are?
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>>121864324
>>If she can charm the enemy masters though she'd be ridiculous

She can charm anyone that doesn't have apt mental interference of some sort. Its really not an ability that many would have entirely

For people like Buhhda for example, its noted his ability shuts out all mental interference, so he's stated to have it. I think Gilles "Mental Pollution" ability also shuts down interference.

There's a lot of abilities that do it, but you still need at least one of them.
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>>121864513
Well, you've made my night. Thank you.
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>>121864589
that's the problem with Discernment of the Poor. Karna will know that she has hidden motives but won't be able to know what those motives are. Be they beneficial or harmful. All it tell him is she isn't what she appears to be.
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>>121864781
As does Heracles/Achilles "Bravery"
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>>121864767
Any servant is potentially broken, you shit.

You might be one of those types that's all "NO no no, its only Karna or Lancelot, its only these fags that are any good"

Literally any servant is a monster depending on the situation at times. Mata Hari's biggest advantage is that she can't be seen as an enemy, and with proper set up she might be in a position where she can control everyone in the war at once to try to kill each other or kill one person that can resist her.

Even if she's fighting against you, she might not be seen as an enemy at times, unless you were warned ahead of time.

The only useless servant is Avenger. Whether your servant is Robin Hood, Lu Bu, or Arash, they could be broken per the situation and utilization.
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>>121864781
so it will have no affect on Kiyohime or anyone with a certain degree of Mad Enhancement then
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>>121864330
anon who made the liz icon
I just googled a picture of the sky and used it as the background
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Since Arthur was believed by pretty much everyone to be a guy, how come she doesn't have an Innocent Monster skill that grants her a dick?
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Mata Hari is screwed in Moon Cell Holy War since it goes by round, in regular holy war she can potentially win if she has a master like Kiritsugu who knows how to use her abilities to the best like distraction plus sniping or brainwashing the master to command the servants to killing themselves.
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>>121865041
You charm another servant, or their master, and get them to beat that person instead.
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>>121864781
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>>121865014
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>>121865036
Mata Hari cant win as long as there's a berserker, Mad Enhancement cancels her shit, and Bravery and shit like Eye of the mind or any other spider-sense like abilites would shut her down
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>>121865147
Moon Cell does have the whole "get two keys or you're disqualified and die instantly" thing that she could disrupt.
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>>121865147
Had the Einzberns summoned Hassan, Kiritsugu might've gotten them a grail by now
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>>121865147

Who would be more OP, Kiritsugu/Robin or MataHari/Kerry?
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S O O N
O
O
N
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>>121865147
>who knows how to use her abilities to the best like distraction plus sniping or brainwashing the master to command the servants to killing themselves.

She's best as a sort of spy perhaps, she's good at getting info and not being seen as an enemy by others.

>>121865213
Charm someone else, get them to beat that person. Charm all the servants you can to beat Berserker.
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>>121864513
Thank you anon. I'll add it to the mega paste later.
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>>121865275
Rin and Arturia
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>>121865036
>Lu Bu, Robin Hood or Arash

Outsied of FGO they're actually good, Lu Bu might kill his own master, but he's good nonetheless
Mata Hari on the other hand... you're basing what you're saying on a war fought by total retards
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>>121865341
Robin/Kerry beat Arthur/Rin in under an hour.
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>>121865363
Lu Bu is actually really good as a Berserker since he can't betray you.
Probably not as good as Heracles though. Heracles would've stormed through the moon cell war easily. God Hand is such a cheat.
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>>121865103
Yeah, thought so.
I'm too autistic for that, though.
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Who else likes Stheno
just got her saturday
still need Eury but I maxed Medusa
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>>121865213
Charm the master
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>>121865585
So basically, Mata Hari is fighting against mentally challenged masters, get real
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>>121865213
She could charm their master or otherwise fuck them over. You have the think big and outside the box with subversion Servants.

Not *every* servant has those abilities, either. A good chunk do but it's not guaranteed. If a smart master worked with what they had they could probably focus on eliminating Masters and turning them against their Servants/each-other.

The only way to win with a Servant like Mata Hari is to set up the chips and then run the fuck away when they start to fall. You could also just Command Seal+bang her a few times and be done with it.
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>>121865341
Rin is a strong master but Arturia isnt the most compatible Servant for her.
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>>121864513
Jack is already in code?
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>>121865691
Aren't most mentally challenged?
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>>121865773
Apparently.
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>>121865691
There isnt a single master in the series who could see through Mata Hari.
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>>121865715
That means her master is competent, put every other master on the same level and she nas no chance, no charmable servant would be enough to handle the others
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>>121865363
Its not that you're retarded if you don't see her as an enemy, rather that's how her ability works.

>Secret Intel: A++
>This skill does not conceal one's presence, but rather makes so that said presence itself does not feel like that of an opponent. Upon becoming A++, so long there is no indictment from the allies, it becomes impossible to perceive any hostility.

If you aren't warned ahead of time, you don't perceive her as a threat or see her as an enemy.

There's no servant who isn't potentially broken aside from Avenger; they all have something of a chance, or some situational brokenness.

>Mata Hari: The Girl Who Has Sunny Eyes (陽の眼を持つ女, ?) is the Noble Phantasm of Mata Hari.

>Materialization of the legend, a brainwashing Noble Phantasm. By means of a bewitching dance, trains of thoughts are numbed and others are turned into puppets. Servants without mental resistance Skills can also be targeted.
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>>121865773
no, they don't release any of the code for playable servants the moment they are added
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>>121865283
>soon

not until london
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>>121865715
>You could also just Command Seal+bang her a few times and be done with it.
i don't think you'd need Command Seals for that. you could also use her skill to conceal herself from everyone else and you two can fuck like rabbits all day as no one will be able to identify you as a master or her as a servant without the proper skills anyways.
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>>121865978
I meant to say until the moment
my bad
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>>121865120
We've discussed this before.

Because lolNasu.
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>>121865894
>no charmable servant would be enough to handle the others

Your entire argument is kind of stupid, its like you're saying "No, the situation in UBW could not happen, she's just shit, this won't work and is shit. Meada could never do anything, don't pretend this or that could ever happen or you have to pretend that everyone else is on the same level, which means she's shit and useless.".

The fact is the situation in UBW did happen, Medea got Saber, and if left to her devices with that servant the chances of her victory are present.

Even in a war of other monstrous servants, if you manage to have even two servants working together you have a high advantage. Even if one of the servants isn't much of a fighter.

If Mata was in the 5th war and charmed either Saber or Lancer, that alone would let her take down Berserker with some chances.
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>>121865691
>So basically, Mata Hari is fighting against mentally challenged masters, get real
>Fate/Zero
>utterly broken kill 'em all
>aimless priest
>hobo
>completely blind nobleman to the jmachinations of aimless priest
>married nobleman who thought summoning diarmuid of all people would pose no problems
>little shit that rushed in cause married nobleman laughed at him
>insane serial killer
>Fate/Stay Night
>sord
>insane tsundere
>shinji
>broken black grail
>broken loli grail
>sadistic priest
>emotionless loser
>demented yandere
>senile old shit who literally forgot what he was doing with the grail
I mean.
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>>121866087
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>>121866087
Mata Hari wouldn't touch any of you disgusting neckbeards.
She's a stripper, not a hooker.
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>>121865919
This isn't mental interference, Mata Hari's killing intent is just suppressed so she'd be able to pass off as a friendly Servant.

That being said, it should be useless against opponents already set on fighting like Saber at the beginning of FSN
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>>121866309
It was probably this line

>Servants without mental resistance Skills can also be targeted.

From her NP line
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>>121866309
The mental resistance thing isn't her subversion, rather its her NP.

Her subversion makes it so she won't be seen as an enemy. They won't want to fight her, or perceive a threat.
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>>121858918
Atilla and Orion
Started at Halloween event, I have done 3 10 rolls.
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Looking for a good quick team and CE combination
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>>121866250
>Lancer

Literally impossible, he can't hurt Herk
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So this is the consensus of clear rewards right?

Halloween Liz > David > Kiyohime > Cu > Boudica
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>>121866618
>Q. Lancer, Caster, Assassin, and True Assassins; all with normal attack and Noble Phantasms of B or lower. If they fought against Berserker, wouldn't it be a one-sided fight? Or are there any of them that can match up against him?
>A: Assassin and True Assassin by themselves wouldn't even be a fight. Lancer can use his runes and Noble Phantasm together to temporarily raise the rank to A, but it'd still be a very disadvantageous fight but "one with some chances". Caster has two front-line Saber-class defenders, so if she uses her high sorcery then she'd be able to deal damage, but that would be limited to 2 to 3 times. Also, in the game, Assassin was able to push Berserker back because of the terrain advantage and support from Caster (weighing down Berserker's body). ...Well, since the compatibility of Assassin and Berserker is horrible, the fact that Berserker was even pushed back is enough to say "whoah, Kojirou's amazing".

Its an uphill fight, but its stated the chance is there for him to drain all of Heracles lives.
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just finished okeanus, time to roll for medea
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>>121866618
Nasu said he has a chance to win, therefore he does.
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>>121866735
Tell us how many fuccbois you get
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>>121866735
you're gonna end up with Drake like i did. desire sensor too strong
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>>121866735
Enjoy your Atlanta
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>>121866735
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>>121866250
>>121866709
The main threat isnt even Herk, how is she gonna handle Gil?

>inb4 He's a jobber
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>>121866705
Is Cu that bad?
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>>121866764
Doesn't outright say defeat Herc. Could be something simpler like Gae-Bolging Illya.
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>>121866735
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>>121866253
Don't forget Atomic Gatorade
>summons caster
>knowingly summons medea
>surrounds himself with hookers to say hi
>show off workshop
>caster says she can do better and offers to build you a totally rockin shop, her only condition is "pls stop killing children"
>get pissed off cause a magus from the age of the gods in the caster class can cast spells better than you and punch her
>go full WHY MEEEEEE when she inevitably betrays you
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>>121865715
>just Command Seal+bang her a few times

This is the first thing I'd do if I found myself in the HGW.
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>>121866735
I can't wait to see another person fall to the Hector disease.
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I think he'd be fun to use in an actual grail war.
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>>121864328
>>121864570
Fucking hell finally. I'll end this battle and go to sleep.

I'm done with this game for the next week.
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>>121866873
Have sex with Arthuria, get moral victory, provide mana to her, then charm Lancer as well

Lancer and Arthuria take down Gilgamesh together.
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>>121866492
>Her subversion makes it so she won't be seen as an enemy. They won't want to fight her, or perceive a threat.
So? That doesn't work on cynical Servants or Masters who will kill you even though you pose no threat and ill will towards them. She just becomes collateral damage in their mind rather than an active enemy.
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>>121866884
Trying to engage Illyasviel with your only melee defensive item would result in a DKO at best.
And Cu would never be so dishonorable.
And Cu would rejoice at fighting a greater legend than himself.
It's fighting Herc straight up no doubt.
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>>121866735
enjoy your jews
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>>121866884
Are you stupid
They are clearly talking about battling Herc.
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>>121867052
anon stop, waifu faggots are worse than wankers, to the point where they fall on the completely absurd
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>>121866961
Time to spend the rest of the month farming eight more horseshoes for her stage 4.
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>>121867052
Servants don't kill innocents

Rather, even for a servant who distrusts everyone or sees them as an enemy, they would see Mata Hari as a friend. They won't even question how they know her or why they find her so familiar.

Its the same sort of thing Ciel does in Tsukihime to the school. You don't perceive Ciel as a threat, the idea of even fighting her won't occur so much.
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Have the sprites of the UI, (lifebars, fonts) been ripped?
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>>121865743
Rin and Saber are among the most compatible pairs.
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>>121867259
>Servants dont kill innocents
Ahahahahahahahaha
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>>121867259
Didn't Saber try to murder Rin and Archer before they said two words to her
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>>121867259
>Servants dont kill innocents

Alright m8 we get it, you love your waifu, you can stop now
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Should also be noted, Mata Hari has "Pheremone: B" skill

Chance of charming male servants upon meeting them.
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>>121866884
Herc is hot shit, but you're underestimating Lancer if you seriously think he stands zero chance.
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>>121867259
>Servants don't kill innocents
>Cu tries to kill Shirou the first time he saw him at school
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>>121867349
Rin is compatible with anyone even with a shit like Gilgamesh or that whore yandere goddess. She a slut that gets around.
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>>121867498
>opposing master is innocent
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>>121866087
Her wish is to find a proper lover, she's probably not that easy of a lay
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>>121867498
Cu only tried to kill Shirou because he saw two Servants fighting taking place and he was wondering what Kirei would do if a random civi saw them fight
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>>121867546
He wasnt a master at that point was he?
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>>121867349
Rins compatible with Emiya and Gil, not Saber.
She boosts her stats, and they wouldnt have Kerry or Kayneth or Castah no Mastah tier issues but its not optimal for either of them.
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>>121867546
He wasn't a Master during the first two attempts to kill Shirou
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>>121867498
nothin personnel, kid
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>>121865275
lolizerker

not hercshit obv
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>>121867610
I don't know how you miss all the scenes where Rin and Saber are completely of the same mind in F/SN. They have great compatibility
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>>121867591
That's still killing innocents you fool
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>>121867659
>you've got terrible luck, kid
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>>121867259
>Servants don't kill innocents
That's a good joke. Servants come from all sides of the moral spectrum, even the ones that are proper Heroic Spirits.

In the eyes of a win at all costs Servant even if Mata Hari were to charm them that would simply downgrade her from "dangerous enemy" to "unfortunate necessary sacrifice" in their minds.
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>>121867398
>>121867173
This is some stupid shit, you can't talk about a servant at all without "Buh, you're just waifuing her faggot, you're just wiafufag".

I said my piece about this subject at the start, there is no servant who is not situationally or potentially broken aside from Avenger. People have tried to fight me on this with different servants; whether it was Robin Hood, Mata Hari, Asterios, or otherwise. After they get sick of arguing they usually try to pawn off some excuse like "Oh man, now Robin hoodfags are a thing, how shit" to try to shut things up. I ain't a fag for anyone in particular.

I've stayed firm on this, they all have their chances.

You can't talk about servants so much who aren't the typical Karna, Gilgamesh, Lancelot, or EMIYA without telling others that they have their chances and abilities without people rebelling hard and saying there's no way.

We know there are chances however, even Medea was able to have some chances out of the endless possibilities. Mata Hari isn't even a hard one to really argue for; if she manages to charm even one other servant her chances rise dramatically in some ways. Even charming enemy masters presents some real chances.
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>>121866168
TL?
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>>121867826
Yeah he's wrong, you're just plain autistic
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>>121867259
>Servants don't kill innocents
>who is Gilles
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>>121867278
FGO-Main-Font.ttf
https://madokami.com/f3tzus.ttf

goodtime.ttf
https://madokami.com/n3gyht.ttf

Some fonts I ctrl-f'd from the mess of extracted files, I know the first one is used for error messages, not sure about the second one. Lifebars are probably in there somewhere, but that'd take forever to find.
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Rate my Crit team
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>>121867882
Least it means I get into some interesting arguments, and am rather anal about it.
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>>121867856
>Show me your dick
>STOP
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>>121867965
No Gil/Drake/10
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>>121867965
0/10

All generation without anyone who can maximize it
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>>121867965
Casters would kill you/10.
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>>121867826
Medea became a huge threat despite being the among the weakest summoned because they left her alone and she kept amassing so much magical energy to support herself, three Servants and also have Kuzuki who can fight on par with Saber
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>>121867965
giveup/10
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>>121866735
I got rin and david with my tickets
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>>121868026
Which translates to annoying in the real world
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>>121868106
RIP Anon
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>>121868126
RIP my boner
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To be fair all almost Servant battles take place at night, all you need to do is good to bed like a good person would do at night and spy on masters during the day.
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>>121867783
i mean

I guess I can get where he's coming from in that they won't outright go out of their way to try and kill her if she's not in the way. because all but the most crazy servants wouldn't actually waste time on innocents.

but if she's even accidentally in the way at least once, or if one of the crazier servants see her as food, it's over.

So it's a very big 'maybe, probably not.' for her to win a HGW. it'd have to be rigged in her favour to not have any of those servants and have the berserker die very early.

but pretty much every servant can win if you rig it in their favours that much.

>>121868067
>fight on par with saber

yeah no

The moment a heroic spirit sees through his tricks he's dead, he can only do well on a first round of a first fight. Someone like EMIYA doesn't even need that, EOTM just leave shim dead instantly.
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He's pretty muscular for a Caster.
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>>121868106
>Gone this long without getting Giles Saber

Impressed
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>>121867965
>Level 15 Jing Ke
Why
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Is this a good account? Dont use it that ften, just started rome
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>>121868106
feed everyone to euryale
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>>121868112
>Real world

Anon...
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r8 my "this is all I have" team
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>>121868416
About as good as a no-5-star account is going to get
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>>121868350
>60/70
Time to complete your Keika.
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>>121868416
good crit potential with sluts, atalanta, and Lancelot
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>>121868282
Kuzuki is still considered a Saber class defender.
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>>121868416
Good enough.
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>>121868446
reroll

>>121868416
the only thing you can do is Lancelot/Lesbians/Atalanta or Alter/Emiya and a caster support
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Since Gudako is going back in time and performing multiple heroic feats in older time periods does that mean she could potentially become a heroic spirit from the fame she amasses in the past?

Inb4 those were timeline anomalies that were corrected, Jeanne Alter is an entity completely separate from the real Jeanne that was born and died during one of those anomalies and she somehow ended up summonable still.
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>>121862632
Reminds me of Fire Emblem's Camilla.
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>>121868525
Thats the thing, I have Atila,Arturia and Vlad on my other accounts I dont know what to do with this one
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>>121868126
Why is there dynamite
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>>121868667
give it to me
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>>121868667
Keep it around and collect quartz. Roll and sell on ebay once it gets a 5* or two.
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>>121868446
You've got a casko at least
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>>121868768
That seems viable
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>>121868628
it's the latter as you are going back in time to fix the anomalies
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>>121868282
EMIYA's flavor eye of the mind doesn't give him any measure of defense and wouldn't help unless he knew about the style ahead of time.
But in that first round, he can indeed kill Saber-level heroes, which would logically include many strong warriors such as Lu Bu, Gawain (no numeral), Lancelot, Mordred, Diarmuid, Jeanne, all Rider and Assassin class heroes [Sasaki Kojirou excluded due to Eye of the Mind False], Nero Caesar, Julius Caesar, Romulus, Hector, most Archers in melee, etc. etc.
Cuchulainn would probably result in a DKO due to battle continuation, though.

There's a reason Nasu calls him "Saber-class" in one of the interviews along with Kojirou. Just because they're not her overall quality or always able to fight at that level, managing it at all in repeatable circumstances is more than enough.
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>>121868832
What I'm saying is that even if they're corrected anomalies the events that happen in them still go towards the dame requirement needed for entrance into the throne.
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>>121858918
Only 1. Tamamo
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>>121868571
But my non fully ascended Servants need leveling too
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Probably meant something more like "Servants avoid killing innocents". In the original story it was presented as a bit necessary to eliminate witnesses in the prologue, but as its gone on you've seen them stray away from it more in some ways. Saber for example you couldn't really see trying to do something like that. This isn't simply because she's a lawful good person, but generally these people are heroes, and many of them seem against it. They don't tend to say its just collateral damage, most will avoid it.

Aside from the servants who make a point of killing innocents in particular like Gilles. Also servants who are pretty matter of fact about it like Cu or Gilgamesh, who would simply do it. We still don't really know what was up with Lancer killing some family that was touched upon in the prologue and first few days of the game for that matter.

When Shirou saved the girl that Rider drained in the park, Li Shuwen sparing you a few times because his master didn't order him to kill you yet, or when Saber told that child she tried to spare from Gilles only for him to explode; just because you're a civilian that happens to be in the area, you won't instantly be seen as a necessary obstruction. Even an evil witch like Medea didn't like her original master killing innocents, and avoided killing anyone herself. It seemed to leave a bad taste in her mouth.

This isn't even about the Mata Hari thing, this is just addressing the servants towards their rules against humans in general from what we've seen.
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Every time.
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>>121868282
Kuzuki nearly kills Saber despite her Instinct rank and catches her invisible sword despite fighting her for the first time.
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>>121868126
>tfw gurofag
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>>121858918
1, Tamamo. Got her because I had a friend memeroll spam for me.

Alt has 0.
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>>121869127
The original post specified cynical cunts, not moralfags like Arturia. Stop trying to cover your ass.
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>>121869127
You used all that autism instead of just saying that you were wrong and only some Servants avoid it?
Come on.
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>>121868891
I'm pretty sure Lancelot would see that a mile of way he has much higher fighting prowess than any of them.
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>>121869102
If those are your priorities.

I maxed her out immediately because I wanted a high level Assassin at the ready.
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>>121869490
Several people have agreed he's autistic, he's just in denial
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>>121869127
>This isn't simply because she's a lawful good person, but generally these people are heroes, and many of them seem against it.
Even in the VN they were against it. It wasn't a later thing. Arturia tells Shirou it'll take a command spell to make her do it. There have always been Servants against it.

Cu complains to Kirei right after killing Shirou about it.

>"How can I call myself a hero after this?"
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>>121858918
I got Vlad on my first 10 roll after Fuyuki, Jeanne from my last 4 quartz after a bad 10 roll after Rome, Altera from the first tickets given out, Tamamo in the first roll of a 10 roll from quartz I started saving up after getting Jeanne, and then a second Vlad in the 10 roll after that. So 5 in all. Tamamo was who I really wanted so I'm glad I got her.
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>>121869551
Lancelot has no precognition/awareness skills to warn him of imperceptible attacks, no survivability skills to continue to fight when seriously injured, and no defensive skills to prevent the attack from working to begin with.

Sorry, but no. If Instinct rank A can just barely roll with the inconceivable punches only slightly enough to even survive, a high level of combat skill isn't going to help.
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>super success with a bunch of 1* exp shit

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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NANI
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>>121869607
Pretty much the only times we see Servants kill innocents for sustenance are if they're non-Heroic spirits like Medusa, Medea and Gilles.

And then the Chaotic Good Gilgamesh
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>>121869181
yes. he did. But after just one match the technique is useless. If they retreated (which they should, because he can't keep up with servants in pure speed)

>>121868891
I think it's kinda bizarre to assume EMIYA's EOTM wouldn't work on it when it... works on everything.

faster/ranged servants would have him dead before he could retaliate. a fair fight with one match and oner ound

>>121869736
> If it's the first fight, then Kuzuki will win. If it's the second fight, then Bazett would pretty much completely win. Kuzuki could even drive Saber into a corner as long as his trick was kept hidden, but Bazett is also an expert at hand-to-hand combat thought of and developed by human beings. There's the possibility that she might adapt to Kuzuki's "snake" quicker than the Servants, who are more emphasized by their talent. However, since she might underestimate Kuzuki-sensei as being a normal person, Bazett could be beaten pretty simply.

being an expert at combat is a definite plus against Kuzuki. Mere instinct doesn't cut it.
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>>121869730
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Reminder
Saber Alter < Shirou (past Emiya) < Unrivaled < Kariya < Worms < Altera
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>>121869873
>I think it's kinda bizarre to assume EMIYA's EOTM wouldn't work on it when it... works on everything.
It works on attacks he has experience with. It didn't help getting past Li Shuwen whereas the False version would. He even thought he had experience with invisible attacks, but quickly realized it was not enough.
>being an expert at combat is a definite plus against Kuzuki
That's just getting aware of the trick faster, which means that he would still need to survive before his skull is crushed. Without any means to prevent the trick from working on the very first attack, even Bazett is taken out instantly as Nasu says.
Lancelot has no persistence skills (unless you count the luck-up Fairy Protection), so that chance would not be given.
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>>121869586
My priorities are ascension, so I use XP on Servants who have an ascension waiting.
Jing Ke is high priority when I'm done levelling the rest of my favourites though, she had great growth in her last 10 levels.
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>>121869762
where?
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>>121869859
>Pretty much the only times we see Servants kill innocents for sustenance are if they're non-Heroic spirits like Medusa, Medea and Gilles.
Medea uses the fact that she refrains from killing anyone she drains as an excuse that she's not the worst. Even she doesn't like it.

Medusa also states that she hates it, but Shinji is just that shitty of a Master. When it's Sakura as the Master she just sucks on people she likes.

I'm not sure if Gilles gets any sustenance from it or if he does it only for kicks.
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>>121869762
>tfw Blackbeard won't drop for me now that I actually need him

This must be Blackbeard's revenge for burning him so many times.
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>>121870086
>Shirou (past Emiya) < Unrivaled
EMIYA traces and dual wields two Arondights
+2 to all skills
traced Lancelot's fighting prowess
become slayer of worlds
(instantly kill master from unbelievable mana costs)
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>>121870220
>great growth in the last 10 levels
I'm still stuck in reverse S hell
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>>121870247
Are you fucking stupid?
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>>121870324
>not collecting Servants like pokemon
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>>121870086
We know from Alter's interlude that Artella is weak compared to her.
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>>121869447
I believed the original post said that pretty much whatever servant would just see her as collateral damage as a way of saying "So what, her ability is useless". Which I had some recourse against because servants aren't just going to see her as collateral or necessary death like they see all apparently see all civilian deaths. The ability exists for a reason, and that's because it works.

If it was just about cynical shits which are a minority mostly, then the answer mostly just reverts back to "Have some allies charmed who can provide meat shields or help you out in those situations". Her ability is kind of like having charisma on command, people will at times follow you or be your puppets so you can escape.

If you're saying that an evil person who would kill her even if she was seen as a friend was the first person she ran into, then it just means her luck ran into a bad end from the start. Which is also something we see a lot in the novel; in some route a servant would make it to the end, and in another route they ran into the worst luck from the start.
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>>121870339
That's pretty funny anon.

>>121870446
You didn't get it either, did you?
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>>121869592
But he has a case. Mata Hari has a legit shot so long as she has a Master with the right mindset.

As someone else already said, Mata Hari/Kiritsugu for example would have been a solid combination.
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>>121870345
Thats better then having to slog through Lilys last 10 levels for 200 attack.
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>>121870395
that's not from any okeanus map i know of so unless it's someone's interlude in okeanus kindly fuck off
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About the Kuzuki shit, I'd just like to point out that the only Servants we've seen him clobber are Shirou!Saber and Shinji!Rider.

Not defending UNRIVALED or any of the other shit, but I do want it considered that we don't really know how well Kuzuki does against a Servant at the top of their game.
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Why the hell is Saber Alter summonable as an aspect of Arturia when she was never blackened by a grail-corrupted wormslut in life.
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>>121870582
So you can collect them all.
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>>121858918
I have two Tamamo and Waver,both from tickets
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>>121869736
>Lancelot has no precognition/awareness skills to warn him of imperceptible attacks, no survivability skills to continue to fight when seriously injured, and no defensive skills to prevent the attack from working to begin with.
>Saber’s follow-up killing blow, and the second was that he had done so even though it was impossible to perceive the path of Invisible Air.
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>>121870578
Nasu describes Kuzuki as Saber tier.
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>>121870582
Because Alter also represents Arturia's "What-if" Tyrant scenario or some shit
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>>121870641
>gets run over by a chariot
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>>121870575
EVERYONE knows what interlude is that, where have you been the past 20 threads?
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Does track team CE work with insta-kill NPs?
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>>121870769
clearing okeanus slowly
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>>121870748
Saber Face is his only weakness.
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>>121870490
You're forgetting a critical component of the grail war and that is that you must kill all other Servants to gain your wish... or so the story goes anyways. We all know the truth is more complicated.

If a particular Servant values their wish more than their allies they're going to backstab Mata Hari in the end regardless of whether she's a friend or an enemy. Even Arturia potentially isn't above this as the bad ends illustrate.
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>>121870641
That's just battle technique, it does not give any foreknowledge, much less Instinct.
Battle skill is actually a penalty against Kuzuki; anyone who has skills would expect Kuzuki to be using these skills. When his attacks suddenly defy physics, the well-learned warrior will be thrown for a loop.
Furthermore, he knew Excalibur's exact shape and size.
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>>121870582
What part of money grubbing fanservice game is hard to understand?
You have to be insanely autistic to take GO at face value.
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>>121870729
Which version? Shirou, Rin, or Sakura? That's kind of the issue.
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>>121870853
>You have to be insanely autistic to take GO at face value.
But muh deep internally consistent rich Nasu lore.

How can I live with myself now that Halloween Bathory is an actual canon thing in Nasuverse?
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>>121870835
Kuzuki knowing Excalibur's shape actually makes me wonder if it's a result of Caster reinforcing his eyes or just his combat experience
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>>121870963
Saber tier as in a Saber class Servant, not Arturia.
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>>121858918
3
rerolled into jeanne
vlad with refunding (only did once)
casko recently
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>>121869162
good goy
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>>121870963
Saber as a class, not character.
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>>121871034
>camera bug
fucking DW are so incompetent
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>>121870982
>hating cute
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>>121871034
I'd give her the Photon Lay.
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>>121860037
none, although I have alter max ascended but not leveled. Instead I actually prefer to level all of my servants
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>>121870997
He asked Assassin about it.
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>>121870997
Caster only enchanted his body to make him stronger and faster, his combat ability is all his own.
Consider him to be the same kind of freaky superhuman mountain warrior like Soujuurou is.
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>>121870853
Makes me wonder if people will seriously cite GO in Type-Moon arguments in the future
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>>121871041
>>121871109
Ah, thanks for clarifying. Chances are then Kuzuki could hold his own against most Servants so long as he could get in range then, meaning Archers and Casters and such would be the end of him.

As for UNRIVALED, I think there's the issue that Kuzuki's style goes around armor. If he could break through Lancelot's armor then it's up in the air. Otherwise he'd have to force Lancelot to use Arondight and then start aiming for the head.

Just my thoughts anyway.
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It is time.
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>>121870835
>Furthermore, he knew Excalibur's exact shape and size.
It's stated even if he known the same of the Excalibur catching the blade itself would be impossible, but with Lancelot's skill is such at a high level he would see that shit a mile a way.
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>>121871356
Time for dragon slaying, you say?
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Any of you got this far with Spartacus?
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>>121871356
Does Georgius even tank well, kinda interested in having one on standby
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>>121871318
>Makes me wonder if people will seriously cite GO in Type-Moon arguments in the future
In fairness, there are some Servants that you kind of have to because they either debuted in GO, or they were just scribbles on paper before being adapted to GO.
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>>121871356
How is he holding his sword?
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>>121871356
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>>121871356
For what purpose
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>>This is about Kuzuki-sensei who is physically stronger than regular people. Aside from his fists being strengthened by Caster, are the rest his own strength, or did Caster strengthened other parts of his body as well? <Soujuurou of the Hill>

>Nasu: In the anime version his entire body is strengthened. When the excessively worrying Caster buffed him to ten times that of a normal human, since Kuzuki's base strength is higher than a normal human, he became even more ridiculous, and did the unthinkable during his fight with Saber. Caster was surprised herself: "What the? Isn't my Master a little too strong?!"

>Takeuchi: On a side note, it was also thanks to Caster's help that Kuzuki was able to move inside to Rider barrier.
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>>121871340
Kuzuki's only Servant tier when he gets a surprise attack with his technique. Otherwise he's shit.
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>>121871446
That was just due to his weird stance, it's not that catching the blade itself is impossible, but catching it the way he was standing would make no sense.
He was basically bowed over and caught it by reaching behind his head.
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>>121871486
With the Kotomine CE he does a pretty good job. Has a meh heal as 2nd skill and resurrection as 3rd. Keeps your zerkers alive.
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>>121871468
I've seen at least two people just in /fgog/ that max ascended him. There have been more sightings just in the support list. I plan on maxing him myself.
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>>121871546
>Kuzuki's only Servant tier when he gets a surprise attack with his technique. Otherwise he's shit.

He was actually equal to an E rank servant all around.
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>>121871684
So shit.
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>>121871486
He's okay and did great in that last Halloween guerilla.
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>>121871634
What about Tama cat or bathing goddess CE?
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>>121871671
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The terms "Tradition Protection" and "Anti-Purge Defense" come up all the time, what are these! <TG09>

>Nasu: For tradition protection, if an attack does not follow specific rules it will not connect. This is possessed by Alice Kuonji's Ploy Kickshaw, for example. Basically, it's not an actual defense, per se, but something with restrictive conditions. Anti-purge defense is something we'll be talking about in more detail soon, so please wait just a bit longer on that one. For now, I can simply say that it is an ultimate defense against a level of attack that could even end the world.

>Takeuchi: That term came about around the same time as the Panzer World Galient OVA ...did you really like the term that much?

>Nasu: Enough to make it the most ultimate defense ever.

What is the role of the eyeball that appears in Blood Fort Andromeda? Is it the Backbeard's? <Aisaka Riku>

>Nasu: Everyone forgets this, but that is Medusa's eyeball. It seals other people within oneself, hence why it's called Blood Fort Andromeda [Outer-Seal, Blood Temple]. The entire school building has been pulled into the eyeball of a monster.

>Takeuchi: Like a Conceptual Barrier? If it goes too far, won't it turn into the Shapeless Island?

>Nasu : Oui, Monsieur. The devil's den that Perseus escaped is invoked by Shinji, it is meant to be ironic.
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>>121871486
At level 40, he tanked the shit out of Medea and Casko for me, but he still nearly got one-shot by the Demon eye-beam NP. His usefulness probably falls off against anything not a caster, until you at least max him.
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>>121871340
I dislike jetfags as much as the next guy but Kuzuki doesnt have a chance.
Lancelot is more skilled, fast and tough, not to mention he also has a helmet.
Even if Kuzuki gets a hit off it wouldnt phase Berserker Lancelot and Saber Lancelot would either see through it or recover.
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>>121871578
Which is catching Lancelot off guard is impossible only if the dude is distracted by is fetal flaw his Arthuria boner. That is the only key window you have even diarmuid and alex capitalized that shit.
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>tfw someone already had their servant's name revealed day 2 in this table-top
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>>121851524
>tfw you will never summon Genghis Khan
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>>121871834
Are all Greek heroes ancient Shinjis?
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>>121871749
An E rank servant in power would still make him at the peak of humanity in terms of ability basically. The fact that he can overcome an A rank servant because of his technique due to the disparity in power means a lot as well.

Although its stated that since his power was more than a normal human from the start when she buffed him to 10x normal, he might be a bit higher than E rank actually.
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>>121858918
2. Tamamo and seibah on my main account
King of jobber and Seibah on my best alt
Been playing since before Unlimited Maintenance Works
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>>121871793
Tama is useless, because of trash heal and you may want to use Master heal on someone else. Bath is better if you're not fighting Berserkers, otherwise Kotomine.
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>>121872004
I hope it was Lancer
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>>121871938
"Seeing through" his attack is impossible with any level of skill, only familiarity. Skill backfires, speed is useless, toughness is insufficient because he always strikes to kill.
The question of whether armor does anything is not answerable by anyone but Nasu.
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>>121872012
Just like how Rin, Sakura, and Saber are reoccurring personas throughout history, so is Shinji.
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>>121872012
Perseus, Jason and probably Theseus are
Hercules and Achilles aren't
Odysseus and Orpheus are unknown, and that's all the major ones unless I'm forgetting someone.
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>>121858918
0, and I'm playing this since launch, but I have Alter so I don't care that much.
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>>121872162
Yeah, and that's why all the Greek girls sympathize with Sakura.
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>>121872027
Without Caster buffs, he probably wouldn't be strong or agile enough to fight Servants. I'd assume with buffs, he'd be floating slightly below container reqs for Saber
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>>121872012
Big man Heracles is as far as you can get.
Noble, brave, able bodied and strong willed, the true essence of a hero.
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>>121872106
>speed and toughness are useless
Wow, a legitimate Kuzukifag.
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>>121872296
>Caster buffs
What are the chances she buffed him during sex?
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>>121872227
Neither is Hector.
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>>121858918
I began playing in the last days of October, it was thurdsday.

I have Tamamo no Mae and Zhuge Liang.
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>>121872473
His dick might impale her all the way through
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Medea Lily is actually in the gatcha ? anyone roll her ?
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>>121872008
>tfw you will never summon Yi Sun Shin
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>>121872432
Speed is just not useful at all due to the nature of his attacks. You dodge them, then they hit you automatically. It's nonsense, but that's how Nasu wrote it.
And because all his attacks are killing blows aimed at the head or neck, toughness is useless unless it's battle continuation, which allows action despite being technically dead.
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>>121872483
Trojans are proto Romans desu senpai
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>>121872548
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>>121872296
With Caster buffs he's anywhere from E rank to D rank in ability.

Without Caster buff, he's still very powerful for a human but cannot fight a servant. Lot of people don't get how big the difference between humans and servants is here, but even someone from the age of some of the greatest magic ever, one of the better magus can only give you a 10x strengthening.

You can imagine how magus of the current age can do in comparison, they can probably only do 2x. Strengthening yourself to servant level isn't going to happen, making a spell that could hurt a servant might work if you are a genius type and put ten years of effort into it, but if you're fighting a Knight class they can usually just brush it off.

Shirou isn't servant level at all either, him not being able to touch Kuzuki at all could probably tell people that much. People always think this person or that person in the novel is servant level, but its usually situational as hell and they can't be compared in sheer numbers at all if it came down to it. Shirou is just a game of compatibility, where he can match some people, or Archer was greatly weakened at the time, but in most cases he can't.

A few exceptions to this; Kuzuki while buffed is as strong as a weak servant but his skills can make up for it, and HF Shirou is as strong as something in potentially servant area.
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>>121871151
It's real bad with characters like Vlad. You 4 hit combo with him, and it will often just pan to their feet as if something cool is happening there.

And you can't dial back to normal speed, because these slanty eyed dipshits apparently couldn't see and altered it to 50% speed. I don't know how the fuck you add features, and they break previously fine ones.
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>>121872765
Kojiro scarf says SLAVE? fucking kek
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>>121872595
Speed is useful, since it means more then just dodging. Kuzuki doesnt punch at the speed of light, fast enough reflexes can catch the fist movement.
And toughness is even more important since its arguable if Kuzukis headshots can kill Berserker Lancelot even if they connect. The guy cant punch through everything.
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>>121872296
>Without Caster buffs, he probably wouldn't be strong or agile enough to fight Servants
And yet a certain ginger is.
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>>121872584
>tfw you will never summon James Graham
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>>121872891
PLOT
ARMOUR
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>>121872868
>I don't know how the fuck you add features, and they break previously fine ones.
Gamedev anon here. That's video game development. You change the most minor thing, and something that seems completely unrelated will break entirely.

Course that's what the QA and bug testing is for which I'm not sure DW has.

Or the playtesters never take it off double speed and they haven't noticed.
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>>121872891
Gilgamesh didn't directly fight Shirou until he was absolutely fucked. At which point he got pulled into the Grail and a sword was flung into his head

Archer and Black Berserker I can't really justify af all.
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>>121873076
It's been like this for a while now. I'm sure they noticed, but the solution can't be that difficult, could it?
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>>121872885
>fast enough reflexes can catch the fist movement.
This is not indicated by anything Nasu has written. Due to the impossible twisty nature of his "snake" style, even instinct cannot register it, and Artoria can hardly move to lessen the damage despite having a natural awareness that borders on foresight.
>since its arguable if Kuzukis headshots can kill Berserker Lancelot even if they connect
Ridiculous. Only defenses such as Armor of Fafnir would matter in that case. Anything that can harm a servant can harm a servant, period. Toughness is HP, not armor. It just means he would need a few more punches to cave in Lancelot's skull, but since Lancelot does not have any persistence abilities, the first few punches would reduce his ability to fight in the same way as it did to Artoria. Because, you know, getting punched in the head kind of fucks you up.
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>>121873213
Archer wasnt trying and Herc was almost dead, plus Archer arm shenanigans.
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>>121873076
>Gamedev anon here. That's video game development. You change the most minor thing, and something that seems completely unrelated will break entirely.

That's how it generally goes with scripting

>>121873213
Archer was 1/10th of his ability all around, due to having no mana.

He was basically 3x human ability, which was reachable.

Black Berserker isn't too hard to get.
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>>121855867
;_;
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>>121873213
>Archer
Was running on empty and deliberately trying to break him rather than straight up kill him
>Black Berserker
Archer arm.
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>>121873213
>Archer and Black Berserker I can't really justify af all.
Archer was operating at 10% ability due to having no master for a day.
Black Berserker was fought with Archer's grafted arm, which forcibly drags Shirou up to the level of servants, even if it must destroy him to do so.
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>>121873424
>>121873365
Well, if Archer was at less than 10% capacity, it concurs with Medea's reinforcements buffing Kuzuki tenfold to match Servants
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>>Rider invoked Blood Fort Andromeda despite Sakura being in the school. If the barrier was sustained, would Rider have went to save Sakura even if it meant disobeying Wakame [Seaweed, Shinji's nickname]? <Teacher Blossom>

>Takeuchi: I'm actually wondering about that too.

>Nasu: I hate to be mean, but Sakura has enough magical energy such that she would only be in a coma. To Rider that's not a problem, which is why it was done in secret from Sakura. Had she talked to Sakura instead, it would have become much more chaotic like "stop her brother → her brother becomes more of a Wakame."

How much of a wakame can he become?
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>>121872891
>"Against any other Servant, creating a world like this wouldn't let me hold my own. Having an unlimited number of swords wouldn't let me stand up to a Servant who had mastered one! But against you, my swords are ready and waiting, so I'm always one step ahead!"
Shirou, on his Servant fighting capabilities. He can only royally fuck Gil on his own without some form of aid.
>>121873213
IIRC Archer just let Shirou win at the end because he fell back in love with that ideal and it was noted that Shirou never had a chance in an actual fight.

Black Berserker WOULD have killed Shirou if Ilya hadn't stepped in to stop him.

There's also Archer being weakened and Archer's arm, as noted.
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>>121873667
Just remember that E rank stats are already ten times stronger than your baseline human.
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>>121872842
>With Caster buffs he's anywhere from E rank to D rank in ability
You do realize an E rank stat is already beyond human power right?
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>>121873285
If you have fast enough reflexes, it could be dodged. Saber doesnt have fast enough reflexes and Lancelot possibly doesnt but this is basic physics. Kuzukis punch is not magic and does not teleport.
And Servants dont keel over and die the moment something that can hurt them touches them. Kuzuki can punch hard enough to disorient and beat a weakened Saber who doesnt have a helmet, thats completely different to disorienting a fully armoured Berserker who can get trampled by Rider and just get up.
Kuzuki has ludicrously low chances against Lancelot.
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>>121873373
Her staff hits 10 times and her hand hits 15 times. Most broken 5* ever she can slap Gil into submission.
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>>121873831
>You do realize an E rank stat is already beyond human power right?
Not for Nasuverse humans.
Pretty sure most of the Burial Agency hits E rank.
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/fgog/ own any figures?
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>>121873929
The Burial Agency arent really humans.
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>>121874021
This reminds me, I wonder what happened to cvckanon.
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>>121873929
>Not for Nasuverse humans.

No, its still a fucking big deal even in Nasuverse, or especially Nasuverse. They make it clear that even the weakest of servants is beyond basically all humans and magus. Only the freak of freaks can fight one.

Ciel who is the strongest Church type in some ways, can't fight an average servant on par. She can fight one defensively, but she's at a noted disadvantage. She's the type of person who can maybe fight a weak servant at level or decently.

Don't think that Kotomine is an average Burial guy.
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>>121872891
Secondary please go, it's explained in the VN.
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>>121874021
I have the saber lily figure that came with Fate/UC PS2 limited.
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>>121874021
I own 8 statues of Diarmuid
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>>121874142
The majority of them still are, the monstrosities are in the minority.
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>>121874280
>I own 8 statues of Diarmuid
prove it
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>>121874203
Isn't E the 10x base?
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Asterios is real strongest

Both in heart, and in body.
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>>121874243
>Not having her scale figure

Shame on you
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>>121874379
What does Euryale have to say about Asterios?
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>>121851524
ded gaem
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>>121874203
Kotomine isn't a burial agent, you twat.
He's an executor.
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Just rolled, are the slut pirates any good?
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>>121874021
A little bit dated since it's like a year old, but yeah. Wish I didn't stop collecting for a while, missed out on that wedding Saber you posted, I kick myself every day for that fuck up.
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>>121874341
The only ones we know are a DAA, some kind of monster and an undying uber wizard.
They cant be used a standard.
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>>121874491
Yeah one of the best 4* so far. Be proud of them treasure them. Don't you ever let that loli walk the path of carnage.
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>>121874491
Yes they are great
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>>121874021
Only this one.
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>>121874203
Wouldn't Ciel just not care since she's immortal?
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>>121874491
I enjoy using them, even in non-optimized teams for them.
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>>121874491
Above average, nothing really great.
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>>121874021
I own a the red dress Nero nendoroid, Zero Saber figma, Alice nendo petit, Aoko nendoroid, Bazett nendo petit, Revoltech Rin, CCC Tamamo 1/8 scale, and some Gilgamesh prize figure.
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>>121874582
I bet Lancelot can't do this.

Checkmate, unrivaledfags.
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>>121874491
Only the loli is on the screen 99% of the time, cause lazy DW, but it's a damn good unit. Shits out crit crystals, NP is pretty unique in that it is stronger depending on how low her health is, so don't heal her before an NP if you can help it.
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>>121874495
You can still order her from a few shops

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/fate-stay-night/10993-fate-stay-night-saber-10th-royal-dress-ver-limited-edition.html
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>>121874203
Kotomine isnt a burial agent at all, and Ciel isnt the strongest church agent.
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>>121874353
E =10x
D =20x
etc
A =50x
A+ =100x
A++ =150x
B+++ = 120x

The point is that this isn't anything reachable for humans or magus so much, they make it clear some dozens of times that humans cannot hope to fight servants, whether you're a magus or church agent. Saying its not a big deal, or its not a big deal for Nasuverse humans, is completely wrong.

You'd have to be a super level freak to have a chance. Like if you were Aoko or someone comparable.

Servants are comparable to DAA, except Church units don't have super effective items to take down servants like they do for DAA, so its not a fight they want to pick in the same way. Church can war against DAA because in a lot of ways they have items that are especially effective against them. In terms of stats, church can't hope to match a DAA perhaps, so they have to rely on everything they can and numbers.
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>>121874693
Can a motorcycle be used as a weapon?
If answer is yes: then he can.
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>>121874203
>is beyond basically all humans and magus. Only the freak of freaks can fight one.
A contradiction lies here.
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>>121874638
>since she's immortal?
not after Tsukihime
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>>121874778
Wait, B+++ was 160 I think
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>>121874693
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>>121874741
Just quoting so that you feel dumb.
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>>121874904
The use of basically kills the contradiction.
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>>121874932
>>121874856
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>>121874352
It's missing the second Diarmuid poster hangng off the dresser but this is most of my tm shelf+knickknacks I like.
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>>121875105
Femanon?
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>>121875105
nice Getters
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>>121874778
>applying set numbers to ranks
Ranks mean fuck and all, and are completely arbitrary in almost everything.
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>>121874778
>You'd have to be a super level freak to have a chance. Like if you were Aoko or someone comparable.
This was back when all Servants were super level freaks themselves in their own time and the best of the best. Of course modern humanity needs to offer up their super freaks to match this selection of past super freaks.

Now? Not so much. The Servant pool is getting wider and shallower and you can't seriously expect me to believe Shakespeare is stronger than Roastbeef Stroganoff.
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>>121874904
Magus are not freaks among freaks. Whenever the say in the novel that humans cannot hope to fight a servant, they usually mean magus. They don't mean just Tom down the street or something.

To be a freak among freaks, you need to be a freak even to the other freaks, you need to be something even more special. There might be many half breeds or demon children out there, they cannot fight servants. However Kouma is a freak among freaks, he's a super upper level freak, he can fight servants. That's something of an example here.

He's a once in a million sort of freak, a monster born to the world even in the current age.
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>>121875105
This is kind of disturbing if you are male. If you are female then I guess it is okay itching your ditch for him
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>>121875105
Nice Shiki Diarmuidfag. I'm actually jealous.
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>>121875175
>>121875301
Male Diafags don't exist dummies

>>121875220
Thanks, Hayato is cute!
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>>121874712
Oh my, that's not a bad price. Picked up.

Guess it's time to check if they've got Last Episode Saber while I'm at it.
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>>121875105
There's no doubting Diarmudfag after this.
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>>121875246
It'd be better if you moved Medusa into the front
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>>121875359
Good taste. Getter Two is my favorite.
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>>121875359
Faganon?

>>121875105
>>121875457
>preferring Getter-2 the most
>not Getter-1
Fags.
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>>121875237
>>Now? Not so much. The Servant pool is getting wider and shallower and you can't seriously expect me to believe Shakespeare is stronger than Roastbeef Stroganoff.

In a lot of ways he would be, like conceptually or magically. If he could use magic at all she should probably be overwhelmed, since even as a D level servant he should still be beyond her in a lot of ways.

Not so much in a punch contest probably, and that's partially because he literally can't fight back due to a skill. However, servants are high level concepts, so usually they aren't blindsided that badly. Even low level servants are still supposed to be pretty high level beings. Even Avenger basically says he can kill any normal human out there.

In his case not so much "Especially strong or freakish humans" since he's that level weak, but anyone below Bazett's level he could probably give real trouble.

If you ever think a servant is something lowly or totally weaker than this church unit, that's usually not so much it. They're not something to be underestimated even now.
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>>121874638
There are weapons designed to slay immortals like Harpe and Gae Buidhe, Ciel's regeneration is external and unnatural but I'm sure some heroes could have a means to convince the world she's not coming back.
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>>121875028
>>121874932
>>121874856
You guys are unrivalled shitposters, I'll give you that.
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>>121875515
I said nothing about Getter-2, just Hayato!

>>121875345
She's actually my favorite tm heroine. 10/10 would let her kill me if she wanted.


To be honest there's a second, smaller shelf with a bunch of bluedogs, three Kotomines, and a Kerrytugu that I didn't take a picture of. Plus 2 more Diarmuid posters and several other keychains/rubber straps of him.
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Rate my roll
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>>121875750
Fuck you
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>f/go was all a dream
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>>121875843
Got you covered
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>>121875683
>but I'm sure some heroes could have a means to convince the world she's not coming back.
"Hey Ciel, want a bite of my chocolate Ark?"
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>>121875746
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The "modern humans cannot possibly fight a Servant" is just another insurmountable general principle Nasu invented for dramatic effect when it's subverted except like always he subverted it so many times it's practically meaningless now.
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>>121875843
>wake up
>it's still the end of July
>tfw I didn't spend the last 3 months on this broken shitty mobage
I wish. I'm in way too deep now.
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>>121874021
If only figures of my Captain exist. But alas, when it comes to Type Moon figures, I have an Arturia, a Nero,a Rin, a Shiki and a Casko figure.
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Mashu is my daughteru!
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>>121875746
I laughed.
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>tfw no atalanta for maximum crit stars with lancelot's NP and the free 25 stars from Drake's
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>>121876306
I want to fuck your daughteru
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>>121876113
Everyone needs to remember that Nasu's rules are rarely absolute.
Everything rule his setting is shaky and haphazard and falls apart with precision application. There are a few hard rules like true magic, but nearly everything else can be bent or stretched.
Shirou Emiya can defeat the motherfucking Buddha. All you really need to remember.
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>>121875818
It's that good?
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>>121876113
Humans outside of absolute freaks do not match even weak servants even now. If it were a fight rather than a surprise attack or anything similar, the servant just wins. This rule has never really been broken.

However even if you're some levels below something, if you have literally everything working in your favor and something incredibly situational going on, you might be able to do something.

That's always been how it works.

Situation is king
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>>121876350
Spooky
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>>121876403
Anon pls, she isn't even legal.
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>>121876350
>>121876428
>tfw Lancelot can his his FSG on everybody
>UNRIVALED
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>>121876410
A rule is rarely absolute, but a rule is typically standard, and the rule is that servants are entities far beyond human.

Shirou who was a servant and had servant levle power, who had a perfect master, was beefed up beyond his normal abilities a bit, and also power of friendship beat Buddha who didn't really care.
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>>121876585
Then tell her to stop encouraging her senpai to commit a crime!
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>>121876765
Gudako servant, when
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>>121874021
Sorta, bought figures as gifts for my friend. Waitng for her bday in Dec.
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>>121876765
I don't understand?
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>>121876886
>My friend
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>>121875750
No Drake/10
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>>121876717
That's basically what I meant.
The rules are there, but situation and circumstance will cause them to be voided in various cases. Whether that's an empowered human beating a servant, or a cheating weakling pulling all the stops to overcome someone greater, or the strongest of enemies just not trying hard enough.
It's a surprise, but Nasu actually writes his characters as characters, not fighting machines that seek to engage enemies at the height of their power, acting solely to destroy the opponent as quickly as possible, in white rooms.
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>>121876420
Pretty sure if you threw Tokiomi and Shakespeare in a gladiator pit together Tokiomi would come out on top most of the time, and he's not even that good.
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>>121876886
Oh hey kekanon, still alive I see.
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>>121876585
But she's working full time at Chaldea, so she must be of age or they would be breaking minor employment laws.
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If I was bad in bed would Nero cvck me as her husband?
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>>121875683
It's hard to be certain how Ciel's immortality would interact with Noble Phantasms, because it's literally the World going "Wait a second, that's not right, lemme fix that." Conceptually, it's not really immortality, it's her existence still being tied to the Serpent of Akasha's.
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>>121860539
Genymotion is the way
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>>121877014
If by that you mean its because Shakespeare literally cannot fight back at all due to his skill, then still I'd say maybe. If you run up and punch him, with your fists enchanted with magic, it might eventually win you the fight if he doesn't ever recover and cast something.

However in magical might and skills, Shakespeare is something far greater.

I think Shakespeare managed to disable Frankenstein pretty quickly despite her being far above him in power, by just mind-fucking her a bit.He also got Spartacus killed in a similar way. A servant also isn't something you could just say you're better than because "Well I punch harder", since servants are typically not one-trick ponies where they have nothing that can do in most cases. They have options of how they can apply their skills.
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>>121877316
Makes me wonder if there'd be some bizarre means of attacking her in such a way that the world thinks "yep".. and the damage appearing on Roa.
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>>121877371
Even in G/O, they gave him a fairly offensively used NP, so he has some power.

Shakespeare is still a servant, and thus at minimum has 10x peak human endurance. It would take a lot of punching to win it out for a mediocre type like Tokiomi.
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>>121877434
MEoDP, maybe. At the very least we know THAT can kill Ciel for real.
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>>121877434
Eyes of Death

Balor possesses them

Maybe the Ark, it has the potential to end the world apparently.

Something similar
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>>121877661
>>121877707
I was considering a curse-by-association, like voodoo or Zabaniya (Heartbeat)
>Hassan destroys a copy of Ciel's heart
>miles away, Roa's chest explodes
>his last moments are exceedingly confused
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>>121874021
>Revoltech Saber
>Revoltech Saber Alter
>Revoltech Rin(that broke because baby nephew kept playing with it)
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>>121858918
4
Attila
Waver
Vlad
Drake

I've been playing since release
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>>121877707
How does his eyes work? Are they also connected to akasha and can erase anyone just by looking? Sounds too OP.
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>>121877130
Laws?
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>>121877986
Basically just the same as how Shiki's eyes work probably.
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>>121877986
He was the primordial proto-god of destruction in a fairly high tier mythology, as far as Nasuverse goes.
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>>121858918
4
Arturia
Gilgamesh
Orion
Tamamo

Played since release
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>>121877986
He's only been mentioned in passing so we don't know for sure.

And he'd be a god in the Nasuverse, so we probably won't be seeing him in anything Fate unless we get him in one of the Shikis as a Demi- or Pseudo-Servant
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>>121858918
Seibah and Casko. Both from 10-rolls.
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>>121878059
>platemail deforms along with her breasts
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>>121878176
How can this be called protection of her boobs can move her platemail?
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>>121858918
Two, Seiba and Jeanne. Saber from Tickets and Jeanne from a 40
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>>121878176
She's a soft girl.
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>>121878147
Balor turning up in Grand Order would be quite neat.
He's Cuchulainn's great granddad, after all.
Since Fafnir showed up, maybe he could appear as a big boss villain, rather than playable?
I recognize how unlikely it is though.
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>>121878176
They are protecting the shape of her breasts, which is fucking important as the servant of the shield.

Her breasts serve as a secondary shield that can negate most attacks with their bounce.
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>>121877986
I wonder if there's a delay like Asagami Fujino's bending ability.
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>>121875238
I honestly think the definition for standard is probably nonmagus based, since it seems like there arae a lot of scenarios where a magus could beat a servant with some proper prep.

Even Rin took one of Herc's lives, sure she used literally all of her resources from generations, but that's within a magus's power to reach.
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>>121878334
Fujino's ability was a very specific but very powerful form of telekinesis. I'm not saying there's no way there's a delay for Balor's Mystic Eyes, but I am saying it's not really an ability that's comparable to Fujino's.
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>>121877371
Shakespeare knows almost zero magecraft, his best party trick is mindfucking people. His Buster NP in GO is just his mindfuck NP with extra liberal interpretation (he mindfucks them so hard they hurt themselves?)

He can't do shit against Tokiomi other than mindfuck him. Or punch him, but Tokiomi knows reinforcement and martial arts.
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uh, anyway to farm gears yet?
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>>121878491
I know, I was just wondering if it's possible to "dodge" the eyes of death if you were quick enough. Considering eye movement has a limit on how quick it can go. A high tier fight like that would be interesting to see.
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>>121878715
Maybe an interlude
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>>121878491
Isn't jer telekensis just turning things clockwise?
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>>121878892
Clockwise and counterclockwise, simultaneously. That's why Ryougi described it as a swirl of red and green. Each color represented a different direction.
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>>121876113
>subverted it so many times it's meaningless
>happens literally in 3 instances where the humans and servants are on even footing
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>>121878456
It is surely magus based, since Rin is usually the one saying it and saying how we cannot hope to match these beings. At the start of the game she says that ten of her couldn't hope to beat even Archer.

It would be stupid to think otherwise, it is undeniable that she was talking about magus, not just muggles with no power. She's saying that servants are a height that their type can't hope to reach, this is an entire few conversations at the start of the game. She says time and time again; she doesn't say "No, we magus can easily be servant level, we don't even really need servants, they're shit that anyone can reach in terms of power by simply strengthening or using the right spell, I don't know why we even have them.", rather she says that they are something beyond humanity, she was breathless watching Archer and gimped Cu fight since it was far beyond anything she can imagine. The entire point of servants in the first place is that they're things far beyond any magus, they are entities that a servant contracts with as they're far beyond them in all ways. They are your sword during the war, because you are hundreds of times less than them, as any magus would be. If you don't have a sword, then you're as good as dead. Not "No, I can just rank myself up to low tier servant level". Archer is basically low tier and Rin says he's far beyond her.

She might have killed Heracles once in a situational way, despite him having A rank reaction speed and being able to dodge, maybe because he just didn't think it would end him. However Rin herself holds no questions about what the power rankings are around here, she is not servant level and no magus can probably hope to be either.

Anyone from Shirou to Hakuno says that servants are something far more than magus; they aren't something you are on par with or even potentially on par with.

Kiritsugu is far beyond Rin in experience in some ways, and he wouldn't even fight a Hassan.
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>>121879150
Don't forget with some of the freaky strongest humans on the playing field.
In terms of quality, Shirou has the glimmerings of heroic quality within him and Rin has the potential to reach the top 100 best magi of all time. (even potentially rivaling the beyond-superhuman Ciel)
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>>121879284
Rin has the potential to be one of the top 100 of the ASSOCIATION. That explicitly excludes Ciel, who was never part of the Association, and probably most far East magi who follow far Eastern magical traditions.
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>>121879161
Also noted that Kotomine at the apex of his life with all command seals and Kiritsugu at the apex of his life with Avalon, were maybe as strong as a Hassan.

Bazett is three times stronger than Rin, Bazett is far weaker than Ciel, and Ciel is just barely at the point where she can fight a servant. Bazett herself admits she can't hope to really fight them in most cases, she has to rely on her NP.

To say that magus stand a chance at reaching servant level, when one of the top strengtheners and fighter magus to date says its not really so doable, its naive. People really have a hell of a time seeing servants as such smaller things than they are lately.

Age of the gods level magic can barely make you low level servant level, any magus below age of the gods level ain't reaching that peak, to make an A rank spell that can damage a servant might take a genius some ten years, to reach a servant isn't something so possible. You can still damage them at times if you hit them with a spell, but that doesn't mean you are servant level.

This is an entire thing for people to understand.
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>>121879284
Except shirou doesn't, he literally has Ero chance to become a heroic spirit, he only becomes a xounter guardian due to making a deal with the world
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>>121879284
>>121879445
Though, to expand, it would actually include people from the Sea of Estray and from Atlas, such as Fabro Rowan and Zepia Eltnam Oberon.
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>>121878456
Rin's plan also required another servant.
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UNRIVALED
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>>121878456
Except Rin herself is above your average magus and is in a class of her own due to her unique abilities.
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>>121879445
Even so, Nasu rates her as "60-100" where Ciel is 100, meaning Rin after completing her training on her best day would still be at that level.
>>121879474
Glimmers don't mean actual. He still shows aptitude for things like Eye of the Mind (True) when he deflects Cuchulainn's halfhearted attacks by raw prediction. It's not that he will become a hero, but he shares some qualities of heroes deep down.
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>>121878515
>. Or punch him

The entire reason Tokiomi had a chance is because Shakesphere cannot fight back, which is something that keeps being said here.

>■ Self-Preservation: A
>He cannot fight, however in exchange, however as long as his Master is safe he can escape from almost all crises. In short, he won't fight. Nevertheless he prefers high risk, high return tactics.

Shakesphere cannot fight back physically at all, that was the reason it was being humored much. However if Shakesphere applied his magic much, even just the mind-fucking, it is more than humans can take. Even a paltry spell for a Caster is something far more than the current age can handle.

>but Tokiomi knows reinforcement and martial arts.

As it keeps being said; Shakesphere is a servant, he has at minimum 10x human endurance. Also people keep saying reinforcement, but as noted before, even age of the gods level buffing can only make you 10x human power at the level of an E rank servant.

Buffing by someone like Rin might reach 3x or 4x human ability, but for any other magus it would probably just be 2x at most, which is still fucking high for human ability. Most magus would probably only reach 1.1x ability. But the idea that humans will just reach servant level power or ability to punch out servants is kind of foolish.

He might be 2x human power, which means it would be like normal servants trying to punch out a fully buffed up Waver in G/O. You can do it, but it'll take a long ass time.

Its far more likely Tokiomi would end up punching himself to death while mind-fucked.
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>>121879725
But can he pull off GOLDen crits?
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Why does Lancelot sound like a malfunctioning computer underwater
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>>121880970
Darth Vader effect.
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>>121855468
>Gameplay aside Heracles is the coolest
Not even close to Lancelot neither ingame or lorewise. Bring Archer/Saber Heracles and now we are talking about so real strong fuck that almost no one can beat, Berserker Herkek is just trash.
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>>121880970
I like how his final ascension line sounds like they recorded his voice actor gargling in the bathroom.
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>>121880890
There's no feeling like the E team at the back of your party pulling through and clearing the mission.
>Hercules and Gilgamesh are down, Jeanne D'Arc has been run through!
>Arash, Mozart, the fate of the world is on your shoulders!
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>>121865036
>Mata Hari's biggest advantage is that she can't be seen as an enemy, and with proper set up she might be in a position where she can control everyone in the war at once to try to kill each other or kill one person that can resist her.
EAM can do this much easier and on a much bigger scale.
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>>121881202
That was 3 hours ago, christ these Lancelotfags
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>>121881202
You mean For Someone's Glory?
He can only make use of it when he's not insane.
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>>121879161
I don't think anyone is arguing an average magus is capable of challenging the servant, but the base used to compare servants to humans uses a nonmagi standard, where magus would lie a bit above a normal human depending on their skills, but not completely untouchable range from servants.

The fact there is a list of magi that can even touch servants supports that idea, even if they're mostly situation.

Like the absolutely peak human doesn't have much hope of touching a servant, most magi do not either, but magi are generally objectively better than normies by a large degree say like 2.5x, but obviously that doesn't mean 10x base of a servant, but an exceptional magi could approach the 10x with proper circumstance.
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>>121881294
He uses it in Zero m8 are you stupid?
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>>121881370
Nah m8, the thing he uses is another skill. Berserk Lancelot is pretty shitty and misses a few things.
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>>121881370
He had to be ordered with a command spell.
Unless you mean the passive "who the fuck is that" cloud, which isn't good for disruption.
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>>121881449
He's actually better than his Saber self by quite a bit.

Its confirmed that Saber Lancelot is B stats all around basically.
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>>121881449
Wat,is this kid serious?
>>121881489
Command seal or not he can use it
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>>121881489
The fact he could only do it with a command seal, also means it isn't done "Much easier and on a bigger scale" or anything like that. Kotomine also notes this command will not work a second time.

As Saber he might be able to use it more.
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New thread

>>121881548
>>121881548
>>121881548
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>>121881535
Maybe in your headcanon. Lancelot is pretty sucky in all classes.

Truly the worst of servants, even trash would be better as one.
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>>121881590
Two command spelled disguises may seed some disruption, but I doubt it would throw a war into as much disarray as Mata Hari could manage if she ran wild.
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>>121881294
Yeah FSG. I didn't say class, only mentioned the skill.
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>>121881620
Or maybe cause you cant just ask him
>>121881659
>mata Hari running wild
she'd die faster
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>>121875750
>65/100
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>>121865567
Snek is always great.
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