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/vtg/ Warhammer: End Times - Vermintide General

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SAVE HER edition

>Official Site:
http://www.vermintide.com/

>Wiki:
http://vermintide.gamepedia.com/Vermintide_Wiki

>Tome/Grimoire Locations and Other Info:
http://www.vermintidedb.com/

>The Game:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/235540/

>The Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/whvtg

>Lore Stuff, Books, and Collector's Edition things:
https://mega.nz/#F!w0UERTga!d9uXX9ZnHATnuBGAFk38rg

>Previous Thread:
>>121599480
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>still not warhammer general
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>there are people who still haven't gotten the Karl Franz achievement
Do you even NEET?
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>>121806716
The next one will be. I had to make this one on my phone since no one else was going to.
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Are they going to wipe out my entire inventory if I cheat or am I free to do so?
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>>121807943
use at your own riskā„¢
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>playable dark elves
am i the only one who would want to see this just to see how kerillian would react?
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>>121808238
Yes
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YOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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>>121808526
>tfw your clumsiness will never charm kerillian
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>>121808623
>tfw you will never make a good shot for a lumberfoot
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>November
>Have not done wheat & chaff on cataclysm
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>>121809139
>November
>Haven't done any levels on Cataclysm
>Haven't done any on Nightmare
I'm waiting for the console release
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>>121806480
Man I love how the Garden of Morr looks.

The whole game really, but the Garden is a special kind of Gothic.
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>>121806480
Fuck yes I finally did it!

Fuck you Wheat and Chaff Cata!
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god damnit. why does everyone do Horn of Magnus?

how many fucking times can you do this map before you're sick of it? only lvl 20 and i want to suicide
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>>121810790
If you do fuck & shit on cataclysm then you beat the game.
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>>121810954
good job exploiting m80

now you can try actually getting gud
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new patch today? R-right anons?
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>>121811708
because the loot system is so shit
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>>121782184
I know this is ingnorant bait but for any innocent anon there who wishes to get enlightened.

You don't need to use the health hack. In fact, the health hack is going to crash your game.

All you need to do is join pubs or play with friends and once you get a grim, hack that grim into whichever number you deem appropiate taking into account tomes and dices and that's it.

You're pretty much only partly rigging the gamble part of the game(implying it's not all a gamble). The best part? Your game is not going to crash due to CE, I've been doing this for the past 100 hours and the only crashes I get are the ones I got already before.
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>>121811708
just do enemy below. only 2 out of the 30 some times I have been through it with pubs have we wiped.
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4604 players.


That is surprisingly alive imo in the last 24hs.

Patches when.
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>>121815549

WHFB resurrection confirmed.

When will GW revert their terrible decision and resurrect WHFB with some alternate timeline asspull because we need more WHFB
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>>121815896
>AoS ends with Sigmar shoving his hammer down Khorne's throat and him rebuilding the Old World
>mordheim is rebooted
things that will never happen for 200, Alex.
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>>121815896
>>121815896
desu senpai Warsword Conquest for Warband has been doing it for me this far.

I have Gotrek and Felix and an army of humans and dwarfs fucking around. Its fun to actually see Araby, Egypt and so on.

Goblins, trolls(the spooky ones) and giants in spiders are fucking op tho. The gunner trolls are great btw.
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>>121816163
>Gunner trolls

They're ogres you fucking imbecile.
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What do ?
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>>121817273
Break out of those cuffs like the superior Elf you are because you're not some lumberfoot that can be held captive by some dirty Skaven.
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I want an expansion where it adds a proper final boss that will let all five players join to take it down together.
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>>121816967
Right. The fumanchu guys. It's been a while since I0ve played.
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>>121817494
>yfw if kerillian dies she dies alone, unloved by her comrades, far from home, her family and friends
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>>121817863
Don't forget full of rat semen
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>>121815896
>expansion where we need to stop the launch of the moon-busting rocket and save Lizardmen from getting rekt
>expansion where we need to join forces with Orcs, Dark Elves and Vampires to kill Archaon and stop that planet ripping warp portal from opening
NEVER EVER
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>>121817863

It was her decision to travel that far away from her "superior" home and people, and she's the one who whines the most aside from Saltzpyre. At least Saltzpyre tries to keep the party's morale going despite his whining, Kerillian only gives everyone shit even if they do something right.

Serves her right for being an elitist prick when there's people around her trying to keep her alive and she just spits on them.
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>>121818038
>Implying Grimgor didn't win already
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Anyone up for sum normal fun games with two guys?
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>>121818596
>saltzpyre whines
huh? I might be remembering things wrong but aren't his quotes easily summed up as 'good job killing those rats', 'fuckin heretics', and 'sigmar yes'?

>elitist prick when there's people around her trying to keep her alive and she just spits on them.
not always, she says that her god of vengeance has a new champion if you do well, finds your headshots acceptable by elf standards and even says she'll miss saltzpyre when he dies, sometimes

sure she's bitchy, but i think she's warming up to everyone
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>Rest up, dwarf. That wound needs tending.
>Go proudly. Son of Karak asdasd.(pepsi dorf)
Any more displays of comradeness from the Elf?
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>>121819668
she's tsundre as fuck, anon
>SIGMAR BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY
>>121820058
>Are you hurting much, Gorrekson?
>Better keep limping, Mercenary.
>If you need help, Dwarf, just ask.
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>>121820058
i guess her complimenting your shooting could count, if you consider how high her standards for good marksman ship are
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>>121820058
>You start slow, dwarf, like an Avalanche
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Ennai-noi. One step closer.


Who's Ennai-noi?
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>>121819668

>huh? I might be remembering things wrong but aren't his quotes easily summed up as 'good job killing those rats', 'fuckin heretics', and 'sigmar yes'?

The only one he truly trusts in the group is Gruber, and that's only because he's a soldier of the Empire. Everyone else he belittles as much as the elf does.

not always, she says that her god of vengeance has a new champion if you do well, finds your headshots acceptable by elf standards and even says she'll miss saltzpyre when he dies, sometimes.

Haven't heard that quote. But I still think she should respect her comrades a bit more considering that they're her only option right now. I can see her unspoken respect for Saltzpyre because he's a man of honor. Gruber too.
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>>121820618
SOUNDS LIKE COUNTING
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>>121820626
Ins't Saltz a superior to him somehow? He does call him "sir" both sarcastically and truly.

Mary
>Are you hurting much, Gorrekson?
>Better keep limping, Mercenary.
>If you need help, Dwarf, just ask.
>Rest up, dwarf. That wound needs tending.
>Go proudly. Son of Karak something.
>You start slow, dwarf, like an Avalanche
>Are ya lost mayflies? Where are they...? ;(
>Good shot! For a lumberfoot.
It feels like she actually means that compliment and realizes it leaves her wide open and quickly follows up with an slight insult.


Viktor
>Glorious shot.
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What do strength potions smell like?
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>>121821692
A worthy strike, but must you flail so.


>>121821917
Giant spleen and troll backbone.
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>>121821692

>Ins't Saltz a superior to him somehow? He does call him "sir" both sarcastically and truly.

I believe so, yes. Also note how Saltzpyre very rarely call Gruber by his name, and prefers Sergeant.

Also, when I earlier mentioned that Viktor boosts his comrades morale, he usually does it through Sigmar. Everything is because "Sigmar wills it" to him, everything else is too low for him.

But at least it's something, as you said, the elf just can't bring herself to actually straight up congratulate anyone, unless it really is something she hasn't seen before.
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Need a competent fucking squad. Nothing super serious, just tired of people running off and dying by themselves every single game.
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>>121822279
Kruber was employed by Saltzpyre to provide security while Saltzpyre was transporting the Bright Wizard, so it's probably only natural they they automatically follow a chain of command between themselves.
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>>121822279
Kruber you fucking illiterate piece of shit. Sienna and Bardin also usually calls him Sergeant even the elf calls him either Sergeant or Mercenary.


Bardin.
Ho hoo! You show them Sergeant!
Azumgi.

Saltz
Don't leave me with the elf, Sergeant!

Kerillian
Heal up Sergeant, that's an order. (or something relating to healing)

I cant remember other quotes but yeah.
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>>121820415
>the dwarf I will miss the most
>but if you die who will hate me
It feels like he's more just going "oh shit that's right I'm a witch hunter better call these guys heretics, it's been a while". The only time he gets genuinely nasty is when he argues with the elf or BW on the first horn elevator. And he's in the right for both arguments.
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When the dwarf heals the elf she says healed by a dwarf and then some elvish name, what is the full line

I'm asking because there could be a "fucked by a dwarf" version for porn
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>Kruber's potato figurines in his room
Kind of cute, I have to wonder if it isn't fueled by his massive PTSD from having his entire regiment die around him though.
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>>121810801

I dig man the ramparts visually. Dat warp lightning.
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>>121814851
The guy he is replying to is talking about using CE to get new item types.

Which means he is either using some sort of hack to make the game easier or is an idiot sticking in a ton of grims thinking that he is more likely to get items in pools with more hats/trinkets.
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>>121823702
>Warhammer
>PTSD
That doens't exist here, anon. War, war never changes. Everyone loves fighting and dying for the Empire.


How does Bretonnia regard this? Do you go and die for the bourgeois or something?

Why do the Imperials speka like Englishmen? Does that mean the Bretonnians speak like Frenchies?
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>>121822896

Gruber is the best of the bunch in terms of personality though. So it doesn't come as a surprise that he is the most respected too. Maybe people have heard of his missions and know his status.
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>>121823923
And? You can't possibly create an item out of thin air or a "new item type" and you can't predict a drop either. Always rolling a 6 or a 7 certainly guarantees you an orange, wether it happens to be decent or not is rng.
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>start game
>THE WORLD-
>skip opening cinematic
>loading into the inn
>Failed to create Steam lobby
>THE WORLD-
>skip
>spawn into the inn
>walk out into the main room
>fade to black
>THE WORLD-
>skip
>spawn into the inn
>walk out into the main room
>fade to black
>THE WORLD-
>alt+F4

nice game fatshark
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>>121822896
had this really big feel moment between dwarf and kruber in the enemy below and i think he actually called him kruber then but i'm not 100%
went something along the lines of
>my condolences kruber
how did you know ?
>we all just saw it on your face right now
>did any of them make it out ?
no the rat man plague got them all

rip kruber's family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BunbeRED5Y
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>>121824104
Same happened to me just now
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>>121824104
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>>121824095
I'm just pointing out that using CE isn't going to help with those problems

Using it because of the loot system is a terrible excuse because those problems (completely random loot type, no ability to random fuse) are the actual problems with the loot system, not the occasional bad roll.

Getting grims/tomes/difficulty for the quality of your loot works great.
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What does elf musk smell like?
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THE WORLD IS
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>>121824158
Yeah I've heard that one too. When he speaks about his dead family.

I've only heard it in the ending cinematics tho.
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>>121824645
Like bags of sand.
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Soon.
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>>121824645

>(slang, colloquial, vulgar) The scent of human genitalia when aroused or unwashed, especially that of a man.

Why do you want to smell elf ballsacks anon, are you some sort of a faget
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>>121824158

Holy shit

>be a proud soldier of the empire, have a squad with best mates I could imagine
>watch as zombies rip them apart
>can't retire, just want to be with my family
>accept an oddjob from a crazy religious witch hunter
>ratmen attack, they destroy my village, slaughtered and possibly ate my family
>end of the world starts
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>>121824645
Salty coins and milk.
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>>121824645
Ratcum
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>>121817494

You can't break those cuffs.
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>>121825051
>implying you won't hotglue your army
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>>121825059
>elf
>literally traps since decades ago
Don't you want to gently plow a delicious little elf trap, anon?
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Rats have large balls for their body size. A human-sized skaven could drown you in his cum.
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>>121825381
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>>121825381
But I'm not an elf. Anyway that's clearly a grey seer, not some rank and file clanrat.
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>>121825051
What is the name of this kind of autism? People who like to play with toys and also paint them.
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>>121825108
Didn't phantoms kill his unit? It was some magic bullshit, not zombies.
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>>121825716
Fun and Art anon. You should stop playing your kiddy video game and give it a try.
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>>121825858
A really strong necromancer did, with all the units that entails
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>>121825108
Such is life in the Empire, Fredrick, now stop complaining and man those ramparts
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>>121825108

Pretty much as good as a ending you can get considering it's warhammer fantasy. The amount of manpower the empire have to shuffle to their doom on a yearly basis to keep things safe makes Mao Zedong look like a small time killer.
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>>121820618
>elflets, when will they learn?

>>121818596
American detected. Banter handling status: failed.

Not many of her lines are mean spirited, a lot are just bants, a challenge thrown down to the other heroes.

Gruber a boss though. Just a honest everyman always trying to keep the peace.

>>121820058
She's got a few lines with Kruber that are fun. Including that one about staring at her ass.
She also defends the witch when Saltzpyre has a go at her, something about her being more attuned to the world than he will ever be. She has a bunch of good magic dialouge with BW actually.

God I just want her VA to do an audiobook so i can go to sleep as she reads to me
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>>121821917
>>121822065
Ignorance.
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>>121827139
>go to sleep as she reads to me

IT WOOOOOS A BRUGHT NOIGHT FER A WALK AMONG THE TREIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS

I rather listen to audio books with Gilbert Gottfried.
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>>121827139
>There was nothing we could do for him he was always dead inside
FUCK YOU I'M SLOWLY BLEEDING OUT, NOT DEAD YOU ELF WHORE
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Ogre ninjas when?
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>wheat and chaff hard
>everyone doing relatively fine
>21941 stormvermin show up with the ogre
>WHY ARENT YOU KILLING THE OGRE WHAT IS IN YOUR BREAINS GUISE
>everyone busy trying to avoid 2-3 Stormvermins plus all the clanrats

I dont get what that dude expected. Like, especially on that map.
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>>121827139
>She's got a few lines with Kruber that are fun. Including that one about staring at her ass.
Kruber's got some good taste
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>>121824104
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>>121829361

It's not like he has options, his other companions consist of a hairy manlet, an old fart and a woman who looks like a 50yo Russian hooker with herpes. On the other hand, his taste would be better if he rather lusted after luscious rat ass and rat balls full of cum.
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>>121829361
>Including that one about staring at her ass.

Wait what
I've never heard such a thing.
Is that on a specific moment/level?
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Is the game surprisingly laggy lately?
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>>121830231
But those rat balls are completely empty because they've been unloaded inside the elf
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WHY THE FUCK DO I KEEP GETTING ORANGE HAGBANE SWIFT BOWS I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD I'M GOING TO POP A BLOOD VESSEL
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>>121830326
I heard it most on BP. Its more about her being "in front" of you because she's fast. But in reality she is just an elf slut wiggling her ass at the gang.
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>>121830231
>manlet
What makes people say this about glorious Bardin the Skaven-slayer.
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>>121830231
>implying that a wholesome sigmar-fearing man like kruber would engage in such heretical debauchery that would undoubtedly damn his soul to an eternity the plaything of She Who Thirsts
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>>121825108
>>121824158

The dialog and backstory is so much better than l4d
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Orange crossbow or green brace of pistols
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>>121832282

Pistols
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>>121830080
why the fuck would i make up a story about the game not working?
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>>121831230
but i prefer her cute flat chest
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>doing nightmare horn of magnus because nothing else around
>in the tower
>elf fucks of ahead while i stay with healing wh
>elf triggers a wave , because the game thinks the whole party is where she is rats literally spawn all around me
>get killed and lose 1 grim
>hosts leaves
>game restarts with a full party and i am no longer playing the same class i was before
what the fuck
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Guys I have liked elves because I thought they look cool but the more I learned about their shitty personalities the more I started hating them and now I want all the elves to die.

r8
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>nobody in the world playing nightmare maps other than Horn of Magnus
>have to try my luck with bots
>people join only to instantly get fucked and then leave
I hope the next patch removes the option to play Horn of Magnus, Black Powder, and White Rat, maybe then people would fucking play something else.
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>>121835118
Just die, or be gangraped by skaven until their bodies become so loose that only the rat ogres can use them and then raped to death?
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>>121836218
shut up autist
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>>121836263
Got a problem with elves getting raped by fat ratdicks, anon?
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>>121836197
>blaming players
Players take the path of least resistance and as such it's only natural to keep playing the easiest maps. Blame Fatshit for their incompetence with the loot system.
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>>121836490
I think I'm pretty justified in blaming the autists that care more about loot then playing a game for fun. You know, fun? That one thing you're supposed to be playing for to begin with?
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>>121836356
don't bully the elves. They're cute!
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>>121837076
>the satisfaction i gain is more important than the satisfaction others game
You should have just said you were autistic from the beginning.
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>not just random mapping
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>>121837162
If you care more about dice rolls then go buy some dice to begin with and you can roll them all day long if you wish. Some people would actually like to play a fucking video game.
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>>121837152
Even cuter when they're whimpering and squirming because two rats are both trying to fit their swollen dicks inside overstretched elf pussy
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>>121836197
I've been queueing for smugglers run on nightmare every night.
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>there are people complaining about loot

You guys never played D3 vanilla now that was some real absolute horseshit loot.
This game is baby stuff to loot.
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>>121837541
And D3 was fixed so it's actually pretty fun to play now. I'll wait until Vermintide is fixed before playing it any further.
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>>121836490

>Players take the path of least resistance and as such it's only natural to keep playing the easiest maps.

But the Enemy Below is both easier and faster.
And more fun (because people are less prone to take more grimoires than they can handle and wipe at the end).
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>>121824104
lololol senpai
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>mfw I just realized that Kerillian is talking about Saltzpyre when says that Drakina or whatever has a new champion
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>>121837407
>it's not ME
>it's EVERYONE ELSE
Sure thing, dude, but no amount of projecting will change the fact that you're special in a bad way.
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>>121836490
People play HoM because they know how it works.

Half of the main maps are both easier and faster than HoM, and all of them are either easier or faster.
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why cant my potato run this game?
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>>121839479
I actually think it's more of a self-perpetuating problem. I said least resistance and what I meant was that, as you said, people know how HoM works, it's fairly well-designed and pretty - but that's only a portion of the players, and the rest play HoM simply because that's one of the maps where you'll easily get a party.
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So is this worth 30 bux?

I quite like games like L4D (200hrs in L4D2, 1300 in Payday:The heist), and I got a buncha friends who're playin' this.

I hated Payday 2's drop system though
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>>121839195
>actually using appeal to popularity
>on 4chan of all places
Keep rolling your dice then, I'm sure that in a week or two this game's community won't be 90% gone at all.
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>>121839971
Definitely.

The loot system really isn't that bad either unless you are in the miniscule percentage that cant get any drops of the better weapon types.
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>>121839518

Vermintide is horribly "optimized" (I hesitate to even use the word to describe it), making it run like shit on computers that ought to blow it out of the water and not run at all on computers that should be able to manage with it.
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>>121840053
>it must be a fallacy, i CAN'T be wrong
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>>121839971
You will absolutely detest the loot system in Vermintide if you disliked Payday 2's.
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>>121840565
League of Legends and Call of Duty are the best games ever made, millions of people can't be wrong.
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>>121839971

I would only buy it if your rig is far above the recommended system specs, with a lot of spare RAM to help with the "optimization." As someone with 700+ hours in L4D2, I think it has some things to offer while generally not being a great game. The loot system IS a bit fucked (though according to Twitter that will be addressed soon) and the optimization issues ARE pretty ridiculous (also supposedly going to be addressed in the patch next week) and the AI director IS an insane monster that hates you AND you're going to think the "special infected" are overpowered as fuck (and in the case of the hookrat and pouncer you're right, mostly due to them being twiggy as fuck due again to optimization issues) BUT if you can get past all that, there's something of a game there.

It could be good, if they fix the glaring issues that exist right now.
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>>121840727
Millions of people also dislike both of them, whereas you are in a small portion of players that don't care about the loot system. : ^)
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>>121840921
Popularity wise people still like them more, so why aren't you playing? Clearly because its the popular option it has to be the right one, you don't want to be WRONG and play the inferior game do you?
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>>121840921
>>121841161

>I'm a faggot!
>I'm a bigger faggot!

Anons pls
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>>121841743
But mooooom, he started it!
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>>121828043
That kind of things was the end of times of WHFB.
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>>121840448
Recently my game has felt like it's running at a low framerate even if it isn't
I thought it was going to shit, enabled fraps and was supposedly keeping a steady 90fps+

I don't know what's up
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Asking again just to make sure.

Has anyone else heard character specific dialogue at the end of the White Rat monologue?
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>>121844439
I've heard it when I glitched into the cutscene area but not any other time
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>>121844436
So is she jacking the rat off out of frame or what
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>>121837419
but what about when they capture a lumberfoot and use him two at a time before tying him to a tree so that any horny waywatcher can use him during their patrols?
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What's that one room in the wizard's tower supposed to be? I know that it's different for every character, but what's the significance in it? Is it supposed what character wants, or some moment in their past or something?

I've only seen the one for saltzpyre, the one where presumably a witch is being burned
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Why is Wheat and Chaff so fucking bullshit? Three Sotrmvermin, a horde, three assassins and a ratling all at once has convinced me the devs had no idea how to properly balance the director.
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How do Kruber and Dorf actually differ in terms of their weapons and abilities? Im finding I like dorf for the drakefires but Ive never really played Kruber, what are his ranged weapons like?
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>>121845360
Sienna sees a burning village and revels in it, Kruber sees a lively village and becomes nostalgic, Goreksson sees a mountain underhall full of gold.
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>>121847691

Dwarf can use drakefires if there's a soldier, otherwise handgun, soldier is forced to use handgun

That's it
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Does a hagbane swiftbow do good damage against an Ogre? My only other option is a trueflight.
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>>121847818
>Sienna sees a burning village and revels in it
truly the worst, when will we get a mage who isn't a filthy witch
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>>121847818
>>121845360

Elf sees a forest.

Probably the most interesting area in the game
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>>121848190
Both are absolute turds, but trueflight is better because hagbane is total shit. I'd rather have a blunderbuss than a hagbane.
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>Enemy Below still has the consistent audio crash
>only way to fix it is to use the beta patch that they won't release for another month
>it resets all your progress and is empty as shit
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>>121852154
https://twitter.com/VermintideGame/status/662925283465502720
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game just crashed on nightmare enemy below right before the experience screen and thus the loot screen, 3t2g

did i get loot? i am too afraid to log back in
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Any signs of a big patch coming?
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Is there any way to replace audio files with custom ones?
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>>121853475
You did not, try again.
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>>121854153
fuck

fuck everything

fuck that level i'm not touching it anymore, always the same shitty audio crash
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Is it possible to get bloodthirst on a beam staff?
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>>121854873
I don't see why not
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>let it be, sir. She revels in her mysteries. Perhaps to hide a lack of substance?

In comes Kruber with the save
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>>121855835
>save

The elf is a fucking retard making a fool of herself, he just adds on to it and makes fun of her.
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>>121856194

Retarded, sure, but she did make Saltzpyre get hot in the head
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>mfw greataxe charge attack is strong enough to kill clanrats in one strike

And this is why axes are objectively the best weapon.
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>Saltspyre asks Kruber if he is worried about his family
>then tells him that they're surely dead and to focus on revenge instead

Holy fuck
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>>121856489

>orange weapons for everyone
>orange master crafted handgun and orange drakefires
>only a blue one hand axe and a bunch of green shit
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>>121856632
>Saltspyre asks Kruber if he is worried about his family
>then tells him that they're surely dead and to focus on revenge instead
You say this like it's a bizarre thing, Kerillian did say he was dead inside, after all

Witch Hunters, no sense of right or wrong
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DARK ELF CHARACTER WHEN?
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>horde call in HoM right before the gate
>waiting by the ammo pack
>BW leaps off the ramp because nothing is coming despite the horde just starting
>activates the scripted horde

Tired of this shit.
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>>121862852
>implying Saltzpyre would suffer this abomination to exist in his presence
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>>121864747
>implying Sigmar didn't unite woth phoenox king since ET.
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>>121856382
That's because he was asking what she knew about the Skaven and she's like "hurrr hardly have time to tell you everything you don't know mayfly".
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>horn of magnus hard
>3t 2g
>desparetly need some gold quality items
>game crashes just as were fending off skaven in the ammo room

Just fuck my shit up f@m
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>be stuck with white flintlocks from the start
>get an exotic today
>heal on hit, haste on hit, ammo on kill
I'm happy.
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>>121864747
if he can tolerate kerillian then he can tolerate a dark elf
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Are drakefire pistols meant to be super rare or something?
I've reached level 50 and I have seen their icon a total of one time in the roll table.
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>>121868963
Literally RNG, I've got bunch of drakefires but hardly ever see rapiers. I'm level 100
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>>121868963
Try playing dorf.
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>>121868516
>Tolerating a species of degenerate, debauched totally-not-american Elves who continuously try to enslave your people and dominate the world.

This is heresy.
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>>121868963
You can increase their chances of appearing by playing Dwarf. And by that I mean you increase the chances of Dwarf items being on the loot table, and since the Dwarf has the most weapon types out of all the classes AND the pistols can only appear on blue and orange slots, good fucking luck with that. It only took me 100 hours to get my first pair.
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>>121869185
is it worse to be captured by the skaven or a dark elf?

what if a dark elf 'favours' you?
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Witcher 3 50% off installing
Fallout 4 just got out of the vault

How long until I hear Kerillian's delicious voice again :(
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>>121869234
I play mostly Dwarf and I just barely managed to get mine after like 40 hours of play.
I get like a 5% chance of getting health back and... some other thing, not great but fuck it, I'll probably never get a different pair so I'll take it.
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>>121869968
Mine has master crafted, chance to heal on kill, and 10% less overcharge. My problem with the pistols is they're way too innacurate for my tastes, so I need one with targeteer, and it fucking sucks because my pair with those traits is pretty fucking good, and the chance of me finding one with the exact same but with tageteer instead of bloodlust is abysmally small.
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>>121870178
Those sound pretty great m8 but yeah, trying to hit something more than 10 feet away reliably is just not gonna happen.
Maybe we'll be more likely to get them once Fatshark revamps the loot system, whatever that means.
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>>121870609
>Fatshark revamps the loot system
It'll either be fucking nothing and their "revamping" is just them adding an incentive to play new maps, or enjoy needing 5 of the same oranges to craft a new one with new random traits.
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>>121870979
This game is the only thing I know about Fatshark, what have they done in the past to make people not trust them?
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>>121871169
Lead and Gold, Escape from Dead Island, Bionic Commando Rearmed, KRATER, and War of the Roses.
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>tfw witch hunter is literally the best class in game

Also why must every elf be complete shit? Is it because she has no good melee weapons or what? I cant stand playing the elf not only because of her lines but she doesnt have any good cleave/rip&tear weapons.
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>>121874370
Because Elf basically only has one good weapon, and is still outdone by other class' weapons.
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>>121874370
How do you modify a gif? Like add in images I want to make this really Vermintide related
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>>121876031

use photoshop or any gif making program of choice.
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>>121876031

Also I should add it would be better if you found the source and made a webm instead. This gif is terrible if you consider the size/quality.
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>>121874370
What is that in her hand?
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>>121877523
A microphone you fucking lumberfoot.
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What's a good loadout for the Elf and Bright Mage for when I have to choose between the two because all three melee classes are already picked?
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>>121877959
Sword+Dagger/Trueflight Longbow and Any Venting Weapon/Conflag Staff
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>bardin 1h axe orange
>devastating blow
>perfect balance
>blood lust

>mfw
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>>121878054
>Trueflight
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>>121878473
It's the only bow she has that does damage.
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>>121878497
Yeah, to your team :^)
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>>121878095
>but still using green gun
drakefire pistols pls
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>>121878568
You're thinking hagbane, dumbass.
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>>121878809
>implying trueflight arrows don't hit your team more often than not if there are more than 3 rats around
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>>121878962
>using your ranged weapon that has a high chance of dealing friendly fire when engaged in melee combat against anything less than a Storm Vermin
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>>121879334
>using a ranged weapon that is unable to hit specials if there are any normal rats around
Keep using your shitty aimbot bow :^)
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>>121879678
And you keep using your bow that takes 2 shots to take down a slave, bro. I'm sure you're doing wonders for your team.
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>>121879731
Using your bow against slaves is fucking retarded.
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>>121879854
Using the elf is fucking retarded because every other class does her job better.
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>>121879917
But Anon, playing Elf is fun
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>>121880542
Yes, I'm sure being a detriment to the team in just about every way possible is "fun".
About as much fun as wasting 3 rerolls in blood bowl because your fucking blitzer rolls skulls on a 2 die block against a fucking skink.
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>>121880629
You sound like a huge cunt.
I hate to pull the "It's just a game" but it is a game, it's supposed to be fun. Good thing you and I most likely will never be on the same game.
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>>121845360
>>121851409
wait wut

So the room with the slowly opening gate is different for each character?

That's pretty cool. I've only seen it as elf and it's a forested area. Or are you talking about the second 'bridge area' in the library?
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>>121881296
Yup, that room with the slowly opening gate.
I always assumed it was a room full of gold for everyone else.
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>>121879854
>he doesn't know how to play elf
move along nothing to see here.

mfw I traded 4 blue longbows that took 100+ to accrue with 1 trueflight and got a fucking trueflight. Never trade in the last of weapon you like, because probability hates you. Probably.
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>>121845360
I thought Saltzpyre sees a Witch Hunter being burned (i.e., himself) or something?

I have yet to clear the Tower as Saltz sadly.
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>>121881482
I have fucking 4 orange hagbane swift bows and one orange trueflight. Every time I roll a blue bow its ALWAYS a fucking hagbane swift bow so I just use them for salvage. I don't even remember how a normal longbow icon looks like in the loot table anymore.
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>>121881751
Nah he just sees a bunch of torture devices as well as someone being burned, with the implication that they're a heretic.
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Is it possible to avoid Packmasters in any way other than killing it before it grabs you?
For example, you can push Assassins, can you, I dunno, sidestep or backdash the Packmaster?
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>>121883730
Sometimes if they take damage before they do the grab they will run past you and prepare for another pass.
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>>121883730

Honestly, I think people knocking the assassin out of its animation is more luck than anything else. I don't think these two are supposed to be easily countered by one player, though it sucks that the only way they could think to do it was by breaking their movement.
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>>121884082
Yeah... I just hate it when I'm a situation in which I'm the last man standing, fighting a horde before attempting to revive my partners and then I get dragged away by a Packmaster.
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>>121844890
Disgusting.
Elves are supposed to be victims of rape, not perpetrators
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Of Relaxing herbs.
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>>121884384
Are people even going to run HoM anymore if this exploit is fixed?
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>>121884639
Probably not.

Thank fucking god, sick of random joins on this one.
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>>121874370
No bullshit.

Sword and Dagger so far has been the best weapons I've used in game.

Got Orange ones with Devastating Blow, When you Shove, if you continue to hold Mouse 1 she stabs with it and it works like a Charged attack. Great for Stormvermin.

Other than that the swipes on it start off great for a crowd then you just pick out the one not stunlocked and stab it in the head with final blow.

Funnest I've had with a weapon, I dunno why. I've had Orange Sword and Shield with DB and create literal tides of Slaverats. Not as fun.

>inb4 Wutelgi Sympathizer
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>>121883730
...dodge it.... SIDEWAYS

The attack is so long you can't push him, you can't dodge back, but it's very thin so it's piss easy to dodge.

Did you literally not try that?
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>>121885442
It's pretty easy just to hold the top tbqhwyl (to be quite honest with you, lad). People will still do it because it's short and everyone knows it.
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>>121885992
Only use the first 3 hits in the normal combo then go into a push, or charge or just block to avoid the recovery peroid on the 4th attack. You can animation cancel the 4th but if there's any lag at all the game can fumble you inputs and leave you vulnerable.
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>>121874370

I used to think WH was pretty shit until I got a blue zweihander and some blue pistols. This guy can fuck shit up. I'll never go back to playing ES unless I desperately need a sword and board or something. Pistols are just so much fun.
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>>121887197

Zwei is his worst weapon

Just fyi
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>>121887585
Not that guy but, even worse than Axe?
How?
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Reckon the white rat exploit will be patched?
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>>121887968
Any exploit that has been exposed to the public in the past week will probably be fixed in the upcoming patch.
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>>121887826
He's trolling or just plain stupid. Greatsword is second best to rapier.
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>>121887968
Hopefully
I hope the fix Horn of Magnus too; that last part is hype as shit when you actually do it, instead of idling on a beam like a goddamn coward, but no one fucking wants to do it properly.
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>>121887968
>doing white rat exploit with a friend for a few days before anyone else knows about it
>someone else ends up finding out about it but won't tell anyone how to do it
>post a tutorial and video on how to do it here
>some random streamer takes credit and posts it to youtube, gets posted on reddit
>starts to appear in public games
Sort of salty.
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>>121887826
>>121888049
Axe is the best at what it does.
Zweihander is a shitty rapier.
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>>121874370
soldier=dwarf>bright wizard=Elf>WH

their all pretty useful tho.
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>1.5k players
You guys better do your final things that you want to do because soon enough this game will be left deader than Killing Floor 2.
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>>121888751
sc2+fallout 4 bro.

Relax their both shit games.
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The Elf is a huge fucking bitch, she needs to learn some proper respect.
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>>121889351


Why don't you use your rod of discipline to help her learn, anon?
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>>121888096
It's a pile of piss too.

Just stand on the bench, have 3 guys hold the front and rotate the 4th man stood just thinning the horde as the approach/blasting specials and SV with his ranged weapon as ammo dictates.
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>>121889351
CAN'T HANDLE THE BANTER AMERILARD?
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>>121888751
I can get a game of KF2 at 4am.

It's a small community but by no means dead.
IMO it is actually kinda smart of TWI as most people have forgotten about it, so upon the actual full release they'll be able to hype it up again. It's really come a long way from what was basically a tech demo at launch. It's fucking gorgeous and the gore physics are amazing. Really puts a dampner on VT after playing a few rounds of KF2.
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Did you know that one of the devs is a faggot who wanted a fucking Bretonnian peasant to be a playable character?

He is probably the reason why the dwarf is wearing shitty leather armor and chainmail instead of being a cool looking high tier engineer. And the reason why Kruber isn't wearing kotbs armor and why Salzpyre isn't wearing this. It's like he wanted to throw the fact that warhammer has some of the coolest aesthetics right out of the window.
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>>121891534
Bretonnian peasant would be awesome. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the plainer style of armor they went with for the current characters.
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>>121891608

You are probably one of those reddit faggots who licked the dev assses in the AMA and wanted fucking fatshark plushies.
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>>121891678
You are probably one of those faggots that thinks stormcast eternals look good.
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>>121891534
This looks fucking awful, or at the very least doesn't suit the mood of the game.
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Is there a go to loadout for Nightmare/Cataclysm? Or are all items viable?
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>>121891534
That looks shit m8.

I think they did a great job with the design of the game and heroes, it conveys the grimdark themes very well. Shit like this would have just looked over the top and detracted from the atmosphere.
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>>121892715
All items are viable all the time except for shitty weapons like repeater pistols and axes.
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>used a trueflight a few times on normal
>it was ok, pretty much ez mode
>abandon it as a shit crutch weapon
>use glorious longbow
>get orange trueflight
>always read posts about how amazing it is and how it's the best bow
>10% Bloodthirster
>30% extra ammo
>7% Haste
>take it on a cruisy nightmare run with some experienced dudes
>it's fucking garbage
>never hits specials always hits trashrats without targetting
>tag targeting is spotty at best
>same RoF as longbow
>shit penetration
>can't hit enemies behind or in packs due to shit targetting
>can't chew into packs like the longbow
>can hit teammates.
>minor increase in ogre DPS

Trueflight apologists confirmed normalshitters.
Agincourt4lyfe.
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>>121892885
Only the longbow is viable.

Hagbane is awful
Swift is just a bad longbow
Trueflight is >>121893048
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>>121821917
Not bugman's, I'll tell you that.
>>
hagbane = beam staff
:/
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>>121823654
>I'm asking because there could be a "fucked by a dwarf" version for porn

Warhammer dwarfs are canonically quite prudish about sex. An elf hitting on your average dorf, even in jest, would probably throw them for a loop.
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>>121891608
>be Bretonnian peasant
>spared life of drudgery as loyal sword-bearer a knight errant
>follow your master into the troubled lands of the Empire, face many perils watching his back
>rest up for a night in picturesque Ubersreik
>woken by sound of your dear master gutted by foul ratmen
>What Would Gilles De Breton Do?
>take up master's blade, remove rat from premises
>Ubersreik badly needs a knight and you're the only Bretonnian here
>vow by the Lady to protect the innocent, honor your master's legacy and return home with his blade and spurs

Would this be such a bad character?
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>>121893881
Peasants are forbidden from praying to the Lady anyway.
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>tfw the only nightmare games up are fucking horn
>tfw the only cata games up now are exploit rat
I just want to finish my map
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>>121894057
They're not allowed to directly worship her, but they certainly believe in and respect her. I don't think swearing an oath by her would count as worship exactly. Besides, shit's getting real and there's no one around to police it.
>>
Is the exotic fish trinket for not consuming healing items good or is it a bad idea to plan ahead for even having to use a healing item in the first place?
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>>121894805

>is it a bad idea to plan ahead for even having to use a healing item

Avoiding all damage is just a meme because there is random bullshit like rats spawning behind you.
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>>121864747
> what, are you eying that elf wench?!? Where is your discipline?!?
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How to secondary attack with beam stuff, /vtg/?
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>>121893881

I would play one.

Specially if it is a female peasant pretending to be a male and only the elf, the bright wizard and the dwarf are in on it.
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>>121896260
But wouldn't that just lead to even more RATRAPE
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>>121896747

You say that like you have a problem with it.
>>
is there like a group that just posts lewd things or erps in every thread on /vg/. Every single general has them it seems like.
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>>121897214
shut up gay
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Is there a pdf download of Edge of Night anywhere? I want to know more about Ubersreik but there's little elsr.
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>>121897214
It's just one guy.
A few people jump in here and there because memeing is fun
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How do you deal with getting surrounded by the sudden appearance of a swarm? I try to block push and dodge into a better position but I usually take a fuckton of damage anyway.
>>
>no nightmare games besides HoM
>no cataclysm games at all
>hard difficulty is either way too easy or frustratingly difficult due to retarded teams

I need to stop trying to play this game at 4am.
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>>121896881
I'm not saying no to the idea of a sobbing, violated peasant surrounded by ratmen and leaking skaven semen
>>
i've barely been able to complete nightmare bell and sewers. all i roll is ones or two's.

RnJesus is not on my side here
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>>121898136

You and at LEAST one other person have to get your backs into a corner and just start hacking and shoving away. Swarm is just one more thing that punishes you if you don't have the whole team together.
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>>121898136
Need some people to watch your back or they'll get behind you

Walls/corners help
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>>121898385
>Elf cornered by Stormvermin in an alley
>Peasant sees her, tries to leap into the fight to help
>Elf bitch uses the opportunity to escape and leaves the peasant alone facing the rats
>Peasant is quickly subdued, beaten into the ground before the Stormvermin start viciously raping the girl over and over
>Elf sprints off and runs directly into a fully erect rat ogre
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>>121898942
>have to get your backs into a corner

on normal.

You want to get into the habit of having good positioning relative to the team. Being in the open is far more advantageous than having your back to a wall when the storm vermin are getting ready to push your shit in.
>>121899425
It's all about watching each others backs. If you see someone dealing with a pack, trust he's got it and you deal with another incoming pack or make sure he doesn't get flanked while he deals with the bulk.

You'll learn to read the sounds and not get surrounded and you'll learn that you want to cut off their run in and hit them just before they crash into the group effectively separating each platoon of slaves so they can't reach critical mass. If there are no waves immediately attacking you, take a second and make sure a rat didnt get knocked behind a team mate or that they aren't spilling around his guard or a lone rat snuck up on him. That's where you are losing the majority of your health if you're decent enough with the block - getting backstabbed by shit outside your field of view. Always, always be thowing glances over your shoulder and listening for rats.
>>
which mordheim warband should I pick /vg/?
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>>121901260
For the vidya? Are witch hunters out yet? If yes, pick them
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>>121901663
sadly only human merc, cult, skaven and sisters of sigmar so far.
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>>121901881
is it actual mordeheim or coreheim or their own rules
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>>121898807
>i've barely been able to complete nightmare
There's your problem.
>>
Smugglers run is such a comfy and fun little mission, even if the scenery is mostly literal shit.
>>
Is it possible for a rat ogre to spawn on Ramparts?
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>>121901260
>>121901881
Play skaven
Do nothing but brutalise the sisters
It is the only way
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>>121891534
Thank fuck he is on the dev team and not you

Just piss off with your shit taste, you obviously have no idea about aesthetics
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>>121868393
>can't oneshot clanrats on hard with white pistols
>oneshots clanrats on nightmare with exotics
I'm really hard right now.
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>>121884364
what's wrong lumberfoot, why don't you want to be a wood elf ranger's plaything?
>>
**RAT'S CUM!**
>>
Kruber: "Vermintide!"

What did he mean by this?
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>>121905396
I just prefer to think about elves being held down and forcibly filled with >>121906297
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>>121906771

He meant a wave of cum released by an army of rat ogres from their balls to drown the elves.
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>>121874370
Protip: Play as elf to remove all the elf shitters. She's not bad if you're a decent player, but she also attracts the worst faggots.

Longbow is a great weapon. It's not as good as handguns against specials of course, but if you can headshot, it's still very fast and you also have less reload speed. Good against masses as well, since it's piercing and even more so if you've got the split-arrow trait on it. (The other ranged weapons are shit though.)

Dual daggers/single sword both have amazing charge attacks that will fuck up a stormvermin in like 2/3 hits real fast. Their standard attack is lacking, but if let your shieldbros cover you, you can still rack up more than enough kills to carry your own weight.

Best weapon is probably dagger/sword. In fact, I have to disagree with you, I think it's overall THE BEST melee weapon in-game. Wide slashing arcs and still very fast + headshot modifier. The only thing that isn't great is the charge attack, which deals sub-par damage compared to dagger/dagger or sword.

As for WH, I'll agree that he's also top tier. His only weakness (talking rapier/pistols here) is a lack of long-range anti-specials. Rapier is quite possibly the best melee weapon in the game and you can go rambo with the pistols to bring down nearly any foe if you've got the ammo to spare.

Soldier and Dwarf are both very solid options, but I find their melee weapons unimpressive in terms of killing potential. They're either good for tanking or taking out storms, but not just cleaning house. Sure, the two-handers work, but swings take so long you have less time to move around and dodge. Handguns are obviously best for ranged special sniping though.

Lastly, Wizard is obviously useful because of her infinite ammo and ranged AoE. But I wouldn't say she's more necessary than any of the other classes.
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>>121878497
Are you retarded? Longbow does just as much damage + penetrates and has more ammo. That, and you can actually HIT your target, instead of relying on the dumb aimbot.
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>>121908845
I'd argue that the Dwarf's 2h Axe and both his and the Soldier's 2h hammer are great at wave clearing/stunning. They hit a huge arc and deal damage to everything, and their basic attacks can 2-shot Storm Vermin during a horde encounter.

While shield-weapon may be objectively their best loadout, it's nice to have the other with a 2h for some extra crowd control and actual damage output.
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>>121894805
It comes in handy sometimes. It's certainly not something to rely on, but it's also hard to gauge its effectiveness. I know that a few times, I've been able to heal 3 people on a single medkit when we were all on like red HP, so that probably saved us that run.

Like the other guy said, counting on taking no damage whatsoever is a bad idea. The "revive 40% faster" trink is good for the same reason. I mean, if you're "good enough not to use any items", that's like arguing going with a white weapon just because "lol just outskill it"
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>>121908845
I think it really makes a difference what your team's gear is.

For instance I'm a BW and use Beam Staff and in conjunction with a shield user we can tank almost anything. Knock back hordes while I blast them, and I've vented enough by the time more have rushed. Plus I can down a strength pot and M2 torch an Ogre while the shield user tanks. But I couldn't do either of those things without a shield user, or if I used a different staff.

I think people need to realize weapon synergy is just as important as player skill.
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>>121909403
Once you're at that point it becomes a case where there's no reason not to keep it. If you're awash in trinkets that's one thing but since they're all based on chance you should use whatever is most attractive to you without relying on them.
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>>121909052
I'm kind of shit at dwarf because I feel like I can't see anything when he's such a shorty, so I may be biased, but while the 2H axe deals great damage, I can't see to effectively leverage that.

The 2H hammer is amazing though, dat knockback and armor piercing normal attacks. The only problem is, you're sorta crud at actually KILLING the slaves/clans, you just kinda knock them about. I leave that shit for the shielders. Still, solid choices, I agree.

>it's nice to have the other with a 2h for some extra crowd control and actual damage output
Absolutely, though I do think dwarf and soldier make each other a bit redundant. Nothing bad, but I think my dream team is WH/wiz/elf/dorf (dwarf because he makes a better tank as others can look over him while he's in front), with rapier/pistols, conflag staff, daggers/longbow, hammershield/handgun. Everyone capable to taking out specials at range, everyone has a counter to storms, and most can deal enough damage to down an ogre without bombs.

Actually, that's a thing I've noticed more and more. If you have two shields in your group, that lowers your combined damage, so you'll have bigger trouble with ogres.
After all "tanks" do not tank ogres better than anyone else. (backpeddle + block + dodge for whoever has aggro is the best tactic)
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>>121910160
My group cleared all cata with dwarf / soldier / wh / bw, we ended up finding double 2h, double hg, conflag, raper + brace / normal wiz was better for almost every map

I do think most of the item choices in this game do come down to playstyle though
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>>121909427
Good point. I'm not entirely convinced of the value of shields if you've got the knockback trait on another melee weapon (as the stamina regen seems to be static across all weapon types) but I definitely agree that weapon synergies between characters are just as important as weapon synergy to a single one.

>I've vented enough by the time more have rushed
Doesn't that cost a lot of HP? Or does it work out just fine in your experience?

>torch an Ogre while the shield user tanks
Perhaps I'm ignorant, but I don't see how a shield user is better at tanking ogres. In my experience, they have trouble keeping aggro anyway, and anyone can tank it just fine as long as they know what they're doing.

>>121909661
Yes, and I'm saying 40% revive speed and 20% chance not to consume healing items are both solid options, at least compared to garbage like "4% chance to poison on hit", it feels like they've straight up copied shit from those threads on /v/
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>>121910286
Yeah. I guess handgun is a bit too useful given that it's hitscan. Even given perfect skill, there are certain shots that will be impossible for a longbow user because of travel time and erratic enemy movement, and you have to account for bullet drop. I don't have a group, so for pubs, picking elf will at least lock out all the regular elf shitters.

Interesting to see that you dropped shields altogether though, do you agree that they're less useful against ogres?
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>>121910991
I think it was more to the point where we got coordinated enough that we didn't need someone constantly bashing / knocking down clanrats than anything else
also yes
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>>121908845
I've been telling /vtg/ this since release, you're wasting your breath.
Also the Sword/Daggers have a 2 hit combo for their charge attack. The first is the sweeping attack from the dual swords, then the second attack is the dual head stab from the daggers the second does more damage and fucks up SV. Also there is a 'charge bash' if you use a charge attack through the guard (hold LMB while blocking) you push then perform the last attack in the normal combo, a long lunge.
Also
The first 2 attacks have wide horizontal sweeps. The 3rd is a smaller sweep and the 4th still has cleave, but it's in a straight line, so you can stab forward through multiple rats.

The contact point for the first 2 strikes is the just towards the centre from your right hand and around halfway down the dagger blade respectively, so remember this when going for headshots.
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>>121912029
Sorry, I wrote that wrong. That'll teach me to try and type something out while also explaining mechanics to someone on teamspeak.

right.
So the attacks are basically like this.
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>>121910657
Venting doesn't do damage to you if you're inside the small zone
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>>121912029
>Sword/Daggers have a 2 hit combo for their charge attack
I know, but I was unsure if they actually did different damage or not. Thanks for confirming. Still worse than double daggers for pure stormvermin killing, but definitely better than I thought then.

>'charge bash'
I noticed this yesterday actually, but haven't tried it in combat yet. Is it useful at all?

>4th still has cleave, but it's in a straight line, so you can stab forward through multiple rats.
Cool, I haven't thought too much about the standard combo, just done a shove immediately after it's over and restarted.

>>121912504
I appreciate it. I feel like the headshot modifier actually helps, even against clans/slaves. (This is particularly true for rapier on WH, but also definitely on elf.)

And yeah, regarding elf hate, nobody seems to believe me, but the game improved by a lot for me after switching to elf for pubs. Maybe it's just my imagination, but elf seems to be one of the most divisive playerbases, either complete dogshit, or really good, from what I've seen on other elves. (The majority being shitters of course.)

>>121912847
But it's so small, and venting is so slow inside the little area. Don't you get like... 1 or possibly 2 blasts before having to vent for 5 secs? On Wiz, I've been mostly switching to melee after going up to the second stage as not to slow the party down by venting all the time. (Her melee weapons leave a lot to be desired tho.)
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>>121913054
One blast into instantly venting has you pretty much at zero charge in time for next wave. You can also go full blast mode and build up a lot of heat and then switch to your melee for a while. Also venting when on higher heat drains it faster, so the health loss from venting isn't as bad as you'd think.
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>>121833982
rage quitters are annoying as hell.
Had the same happen in a nightmare or hard game with one stupid dwarf. Holy shit was he bad at the game.
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>>121913317
This. It's pretty much blast, vent, blast, vent.

I'm hoping to get a beam staff with stability So I can hopefully get 2 shots before venting but yeah.

Then get a sword with earthing rune and you're golden.
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>>121913054
I've never completed a map with any other heroes because autism. So I'm totally insulated from the 'elf shitter' phenomena. I just know it's a bit of a shock to see anyone elses name appear at the top of the stat pages. I'm usually doing it by a large margin too and I don't really feel that it's all that hard to do. I mostly play pub nightmare or hard with my friends as cata pubs is a nightmare and I'm still trying to train my group of friends into an acceptable fighting unit but they all have jobs and other retarded shit so they can't play for 12 hours a day in the service of Lileath.
So as for the combo. You really want to only do the first 3 attacks unless it's a lone straggler or a finishing blow, as there is a large (relatively) pause after the 4th attack and in a 1vHorde situation you're going to basically be planning on stun locking everyone so you don't die. This pause will fuck you up sooner or later either go into a charge attack or block after the 3rd attack to interrupt the chain. Then you can either push, start your combo again or perform the charge push (which is the 4th attack in the chain anyway). With the charge attack you're always pumping out horizontal slashes and it great if you have a shield wall you can duck in and out the front of. The seconds method is based for solo work. There are lots of combos you can put together on the fly to shit on rats around provided you're not mashing the mouse like a scrub can prioritize the right targets.
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>>121913054
>>121915627

>character limit plz

Because you're relying on interrupting every rats attack before they hit you, you want to be constantly attacking, like whack a mole(rat) on steroids and you can pick which rats to push down, which to sweep, which to finish. I like to do a sort of 'waltz' pattern but cutting through the rats so you keep moving, you exploit their inability to turn during their attacks and it's great for maintaining 360 awareness. If you get good at it you can just dance around in the middle of hordes avoiding damage because the attack speed is so fast anyone you see about to attack you just stab in the face or put on their ass, Provided you are fast enough, you are literally invincible, The trick is blending the turns and dodges - hence 'waltz' to maintain 360 awareness and dupe the rats you can't knock over or kill in the window before you need to attack again.
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When the trueflight arrow is spinning around the ogre a million times, is it actually doing any damage?
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>>121914475
You can pretty easily spot who CE'd their way through levels/got carried on HoM runs.

I've beaten the game on nightmare, working on cata. I've done probably 30 runs of HoM and I'm only level 46.

When someone joins that's level 99 and misses all the pot spots, is on half health 3 minutes in it pisses me off pretty raw.
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>>121916775
I feel like it does, they seem to die stupidly quickly when it happens
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>>121893881
fantastic character I'd play it.

>Ranged weapon choices
Long bow (charged attack is armor piercing with good zoom)
Flaming long bow (like longbow but with a charged attack that can set enemies on fire for duration slightly slower slightly less powerful initial hit)
Short bow (faster and more ammunition than long bow at cost of power )

Melee
Tower shield and sword
Tower shield and mace
Voulge/glaive
Boar Spear
Flail
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How important is master crafted on elf bows?

The only bow I have with it is a trueflight.
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>>121919593
Master Crafted on the bows only increase fire rate by 15%. Very unimpressive compared to the 50% decreased reload speed of handguns, crossbows and repeaters. Definitely not essential, but still very nice.
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>>121887968

What is the exploit anyway?
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Bretonians don't use ranged weapons, and peasants are worse than skaven at fighting.
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>>121920528
out of bounds fun
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>>121920528
it's possible with some fairly easy jumps and trial and error to jump your way to the top of the map and preform it backwards. The final objective, when completed, has a neat quirk of killing all rats that spawn (instead of stopping them outright) automatically so people wouldn't die during the ending cut scene. Then you can go down and toss the barrels onto the pillar unopposed and complete the map with minimal effort and in minimal time as long as you don't get raped by special spawns before you do the final objective.
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>>121891534
What's the point of writing like that? I tried googling it and I couldn't find an answer.

Suffer not the xeno. Suffer no the heretic. etc

Like kill them to put them out of their misery? Or suffer as in to whitstand something meaning "I can't stand this xeno shit anymore, don't stand the xenos".
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>>121888397
>tfw was exploring guy
I mean I'm not surprised, but fuck whoever uploaded it to reddit / youtube
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>>121921228
The second one is correct. They don't want heretics to be alive any more.
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>>121893881
I'd rather have both desu senpai. The frenchie Knight speech along with the stupid squire speech and dialogue would be pretty neat.

The knight can be heavy and armored with fast and heavy weapons alike, maybe even a spear. The squire is just another sword and shield class with accesss to french things.
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>>121921228

Don't over think it, FB and 40K are filled with corny grimdork shit that's supposed to sound cool but instead sounds retarded if you dwell on it for too long.
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>>121921565
>The knight can be heavy and armored with fast and heavy weapons
Soldier.
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>>121908845
>anime

>Soldier and Dwarf
>not good for crowd control

>rapier and dagger and sword
>best melees
>dorf and soldier have no impressive melees

>Wizard confal/beam+sword with rune
>not necessary

Either bair or a raging shitter. Opinion discarded, please don't do this. It's not good to mislead new players.
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>>121908845
dwarf and soldier don't need killing power when their 2h swings are completely uninterruptable unless they strike an armored special and send all the clan rats either flying backwards decapitated or flying backwards on their ass

source: I play dorf
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>>121922271
If there was an actual difference in speed and defense then yeah. But as there currently is none, then maybe he could start it. I was talking about a guy in heavy clad armor, not the medium armor Kruber has.

Somehow I feel as a Dwarf I am faster than the rest. Maybe is the camera positioning.

>>121920730
>>121920730
>hot af nymph goddess
>fight on fucking flying pegasus
>needing pathetic ranged weapons
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>finally get a second trinket near level 30
>magpie

well. well that's just alright.

what are the best trinkets, or at least everyone's favorites?
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>>121923294
revive speed
speed
sharing potion effects


I'm not sure if that 6% extra speed is doing shit
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>>121923540

speed like movement speed? that sounds great. probably enough to backpedal away out of clanrat strikes
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>>121924114
it's only 6% and honestly other trinkets are way more useful than such a miniscule increase

if you could stack them it might mean something
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>>121924280
DEDTHREDGAME

DED Elf filled with ratcum in an empty backalley, raped to death by filthy skaven cocks far from home
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>>121923019
>needing pathetic ranged weapons
lets see how your dumb bimbo of a goddess stands up to a regiment with flintlocks
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>>121926824
>flintlocks
good job hitting anything
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>get beam staff with skirmish
>think it might actually be neat because extra mobility when targeting specials with rmb
>doesn't work
bravo
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>>121927018
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>>121927018
they'll hit more than your shitty peasant footmen will
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>>121922312
>implying anime
If you haven't read that comic, you're a newfag that should get out.

>not good for crowd control
Never said that, just that I don't find shields as useful as some say.

>best melees
Yes, that is my opinion.

>dorf and soldier have no impressive melees
Less impressive, but they're good at other things.

>wiz necessary
Nope.

Please don't be so upset just because people have an opinion different to yours.

>>121922757
It's true, they can keep it up forever. It's just that more time spent killing slave rats = less time watching out for specials and moving on. Take an ogre attack at the same time as a swarm for example. It should be obvious to anyone why speed of killing is a boon in this situation.

Note that I'm not saying soldier and dorf are useless, the reason I posted was to defend elf's killing potential, not berate the other classes.
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>>121927018
Aquebuses in this game are perfect accuracy hitscan weapons though, with the capacity to reload like a fucking bolt-action rifle.
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Man, whether the game is dying or hanging in there I feel like the current community keeps getting better skill-wise.
I can do nightmare pubs non-stop while even normal maps were a wildcard near release.

Seeing teamwork and competence feels so good. I've never had so much fun in L4D, that game was just frustrating.
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>>121928731
Would you be content if their accuracy got worsened?
I actually would. There's usually little reason not to take the "rifles" if your class can equip it.
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>>121928875

Zombie games/movies/products/shows/anything will always attract the lowest common denominator. It's literally "dude zombies lmao"

The sooner you learn to totally avoid anything with zombies in it, the sooner your quality of life will improve
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>>121928875
Everyone in L4D was exactly the same, I think that has a lot to do with why teamwork didn't feel as satisfying.
I play most shield Dwarf, so any time I see Witch and/or Elf in my party I hang around them most of the time, and usually they catch on and GET BEHIND MY SHIELD.
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>tfw you play with a good elf on your side that kills all specials before you get a chance to shoot/hit them
I fucking hate elves.
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>tfw no playable ratcatcher with 1d10 dead rats and a small but vicious dog
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>>121929659
what would the dead rats do? maybe you could fling them at skaven to scare them?
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>level 149 joins
>dwarf with a 1h hammer (no shield) and a grudge raker
how and why
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>>121931158

Grudge raker is hands down the best weapon though.
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>>121931158
You get bored after a while man.
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>>121931158
>1h hammer
Depending on the traits that can be made into a great weapon, same with the 1h mace.
>thinking the grude-raker is bad
Targeteer, Ammo holder, and +100% ammo per clip would like a word with you.
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>Playing with pubs
>Ever
>Not just playing with some friends instead
Literally why anyone would do this is beyond me.
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>>121932783
because sometimes you're in the mood to play but the senpai isn't, senpai
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>>121928605
dmg ctrl
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I'm convinced Wheat and Chaff on anything above hard is impossible.
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reminder to kick elves and ignore elf posters
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>>121934583
had an easier time with it on nightmare than hard desu. less shitters in nightmare
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I wish trading existed because I never play Dorf, and I think this is a pretty great orange.
Is it?
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>>121934037
not even him but if you haven't read lewd elf you can kindly fuck off
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>>121935362
>Killing anything with the shield
Other than that it's pretty boss.
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>>121935601
Do you never ever use your regular attack for rats as a Dorf? Even when there's no hoardes?
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>>121935362
That's pretty good, even with the lower killing potential of a Hammer/Shield you'll probably have bloodlust proc a lot with a good roll like that.

Improved guard is always nice on a shield, although devastating blow might be annoying due to pushing rats too far back.
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Is this game worth buying if I enjoy the warhammer universe
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>>121936003
Yes.
Characters have great lines and voice acting, surprisingly for a franchised game from a neglected setting.
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>>121935378
>if you haven't read x shitty anime
/a/ and /d/ are around the corner
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4000+ players

I didn't expect the game to be this alive after Fallout 4 came out. Even my "friends" still play this while I'm diving in the kekthesda new shitfest.

fuck anyme btw
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>>121936382
Isn't Fo4 so shitty that even the mindless masses aren't happy with it?
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>>121935378
I haven't read it
l-link? Exhentai is fucked for my phone btw
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>>121936491
In my opinion Fallout 2 didn't feel like Fallout anymore. Fallout 3 was rather ok and it felt like a Fallout and so did New Vegas but they lack the charm Fallout 1 and 2 had.


Fallout 4 does not feel like a Fallout game at all but it is a decent game on its own.

In short, Fallout is like a Sayian fucking humies. The offspring's blood is so diluded it can't even fly anymore.

Don't mind what /v/ and plebbit say about it, they just like to bitch about things.
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>>121936213
10/10 b8 m8
I know you are just pretending to be retarded, but it sounds like something someone would actually say.
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>>121936003
Yes. The banter is great.
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Is there ever any reason to vent your staff as a Witch when it's over the middle threshold?
Venting hurts you, even with the 20% less damage from venting; taking any damage is bad, period. I just wind up waiting for it to cool itself to mid way, if ever I go over.
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>>121938208
I have a fireball staff that heals me like a mad man, often I'll heal more from my attacks than the small damage from venting while also getting more kills.
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>>121938208
lose a little health to hit m1 a few more times to clear a necessary tide vs losing a quarter of your health because you didn't hit m1 and got surrounded by said tide

stop being an idiot. health is a resource and there's plenty of ways to gain it back after losing it.
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What's a good strategy to beat Wheat and Chaff?
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>>121939032
two groups of two get four bags. kill/kite ogre
gather up for the last two bags
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This is the first blue I've ever gotten. Should I just use this until I get an orange weapon with a shield?
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>>121940360
Regrowth on normal attack definitely isn't ideal on a 2h hammer but it should still be pretty helpful if you're lucky enough to get a high roll on it. Devastating blow is also good.
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>>121940360
yes.

Use regular attack for single target and charged for packs
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>>121940596
>>121940615
Okay cool. Thanks anons.
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>>121940360
>first blue ever
>already has that rad as fuck Dorf helmet

I'm not gonna lie Anon, I am jealous.
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>>121940993
Isn't that just the collectors edition helm?
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>>121941152
Ah shit you're right, I forgot that thing exists.
Guess I should have gotten that, but at the time I wasn't sure I was going to like the game this much.
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>>121941254
They said they will add an upgrade option. Just gotta wait for it.
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Did it crash for anyone else?
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>Complete a 3t2g Garden of Morr Cataclysm run
>Get XP
>Instead of cutting to the dice screen
>"STEAM SERVERS DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE"
>Game closes

Damn right I'm fucking mad
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>>121946793
>>121946936
Yeah, down for me too mid run. Thought it was just me, but good.
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>>121946936
Steam is just the worst, I swear sometimes if they release a steam update while I'm playing some games it will cause my PC to BSOD.
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>>121947190
Bonus points: Inb4 it was a steam update to deal with some of the FO4 issues
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>>121910160
I've played dwarf so much that I'm actually used to being so short. When I play the other classes I find myself swinging over skaven heads so much it's not even funny.
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How the fuck do I still not have the roll 7 successes achievement? Does it not count grimoires?
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>>121947190
>it will cause my PC to BSOD.
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>>121947518
Too much dong for your kong?
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>>121947461
No tomes, no loot die, no grimoires. Final destination.

No shit. It's regular dice only. IIRC, the devs are looking to change that because too many people are screaming that's horseshit.
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So in general what are the ideal modifiers for each weapon type?
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>Just over 10 hours played
>Farming HoM hard while my bud's offline
>Get to the horn no problem
>We rally behind the bench
>Elf in the back, BW running in circles, soldier in front, me as WH covering with soldier
>Soldier keeps running in front of the bench and getting his shit beat
>Gets himself surrounded while I'm dealing with a stormvermin
>Turn to help him and a pack comes from the other side
>Drop
>Wonder what the fuck the other two people are doing
>BW drops from the pack, she was shooting skaven across the level
>Elf apparently was doing the same
>Globadier hits our 3 downed people
>Notice the bomb in the elf's inventory
>Call the elf a moron
>"Globadier got you, not my problem"

I was coming here to ask if all elf players are shitters, but that seems to be the general consensus here. Is it really too much to expect people to pay attention to when people are downed? Or to participate to a further extent than just smashing m1? The other 3 were morons as well, but elves are consistently complete trash.
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What does this robot do?

I killed it and when it exploded it killed me too. Is the point of it to just give you xp and materials?
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>>121947930
>regular dice only
Well, shit, time to run easy smuggler's run over and over with bots until I get it.
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>>121948197
You fucked up.
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>>121948196
I'm shocked that a group of shitters like that wouldn't insist on using the beam exploit.
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>>121948196
I wouldn't say all Elf players are shitters, but yeah it's the class that brings those types of people in to play it.
I feel insulted by it honestly. Team mate priority is my absolute thing, I cover as much as I can and the moment someone goes down I'm already on my way to them. It's pretty obvious when someone goes down and I'll cut my way through any hoarde to try get to them.

When I go and play something else besides Elf though, I always see Elf players being the same shitters you just mentioned. I always play Elves in games, it's my race of choice; Healer/Cleric/Priest being my first for class but since there's none, I fall to race since I don't like pyromancy.

I always wind up marking arrows or marking things and it's like everyone is essentially blind to the sound or the dialog until you actually type in the chat "draught/ammo/med here", THEN people come looking.

Also it shits me to tears when you have an Elf who can't shoot specials. They don't even mark them for fuck sake. In fact, why the hell does like 80% of the people in this game not bother marking anything unless they have the window of oppertunity to look at a single item for more than 3 seconds and then they'll mark it?
You can mark on the fly. Fuck.
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>>121948595
I find it 50/50 on hard between people wanting to do beam/bench. I like bench better because rapier + massive groups is very satisfying to rip through.

>>121948796
Its uncanny. In 10 hours, I've had very little trouble with the other classes, but elves always seem to be the players that want to be MLG Legolas 420 and use nothing but bow until they're out of ammo, ultimately hurting our clear against large groups. They're also the most oblivious to downed teammates, which I don't understand given the loud audio queues and flashing red shield. Even ones with double my level have no comprehension of teamwork whatsoever. There should be some sort of study done on this phenomenon.
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>>121950326
>...and use nothing but bow until they're out of ammo, ultimately hurting our clear against large groups

If they're using a sword, then yes since a sword attacks 3.
If they're using sword/dagger, then kind of maybe. Those attack 2 unless it's a charged attack..
If they're using dual daggers, yes because daggers only attack one target.
Charged attacks hit two enemies since it penetrates, never seen a penetration perk on a bow before though. Be pretty decent at wave clearing if it took out 4 with one arrow (Split projectiles perk on that would be pretty beastly.)

Using arrows to clear random mobs around the place and/or when a wave is approaching, I can understand using bow for. But if the hoarde is right at your front doorstep and they're still using bow, then fuck them honestly.

When walking around with the group I usually stay at the back and just shoot stray enemies as we go (Basic attack; Don't need to charge them unless you're in Cata.) since they could begin to run up behind us and be a nuisance. If there are some behind us, it's better to just turn around and shoot them in the face while walking backwards since your movement penalty is so little when using a basic bow attack; It beats having a melee run backwards, slightly separating themself from the group then having to go back into formation.

Saying that I have seen Elves who pretty much exclusively use melee... in which case, also no.
I don't know what the hell it is about Elf that draws people to them and it annoys me. I pretty much imagine that everytime I load into a match as an Elf, everyone is groaning that I'll be a shitter.

My guess is it's the whole 'omg two daggers rogue backstabs sneaky like a ninja' type of shit.
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>>121951210
>If they're using dual daggers, yes because daggers only attack one target.

I mean, no* Because a bow can at least attack two targets, where as dual daggers, charged or not is only one target.
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>>121951210
>>121951329
To clarify, I've only played a single match of elf, so my opinion on the class is moreso based on the performance of the pubbies that play it. For all I know, using the bow primarily might work great in the hands of a competent player; its just that those elf players are as rare as Bruce Lee riding a unicorn with swastikas painted on the wings.
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>>121884639
that's not the only one, nor is it even the best one still
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What is the worst mission currently in this game?
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>>121952507
Wheat and Chaff, easily.
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What kits are you guys running for kruber in nm+?
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>>121953770
Sword & shield or 2h Hammer
Blunderbuss if the team is lacking aoe clear, otherwise handgun.
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>>121953978
Thanks anon
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hth class when
more clsases when
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attractive young black bitch with sexy complete opposite of the usual black fem character when
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>>121954425
I mean sexy voice bc pic rleated
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>party running cata Horn
>got the loot dice, got the tomes, got the grins
>hanging out on the beam because fuck this shitty loot system
>elf, dwarf, wh, mage (me)
>wh says "lol watch this" and jumps off the beam, then jumps back on, pulling every rat right under our feet
>I kill them because conflag staff
>he does it again
>I kill them again and say "stop it, that's a dumb risk"
>as he's fallign toward the ground to do it a third time, the floor drops and we rush for the opening
>because the idiot pulled all the rats toward us, there was a full swarm waiting down under the floor
>thanks to LOL COLLISION DETECTION the entire parts rockets into seperate corners of the room
>all die immediately
>WH leaves the game without saying anything

FUCK YOU FUCKING GODDAMN SHIT PUB SADSDFAWDA(&*W^D*AWD^AWTD
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How do you play WH effectively?
I do pretty well with all the other classes, but when I'm playing as WH I feel like I should be having a bigger impact on the game. I don't really know what his role is supposed to be other than dps on the ogre.
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Everyone's playing fallout 4. My computer is too shit to run Fallout 4. I am sad, guys.

>>121955110
Should've kicked him the second time he dropped down.
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I CAN BREAK THESE CUFFS
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>>121954425
>black
>Old World

baka nah desu senpai
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>Want a rapier better than green.
>Nothing but WW loot.
>WW exotics all the time.
>WW blues.
>Never even see a fucking rapier on the loot table.

Should I just resign myself to playing the fucking elf for the rest of days?
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>>121957775
At least a mixed, mestizo, latin, version would satisfy me. Replace the gun with a sabre or something piratish.
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>>121958273
fucking this.

Not a single fucking orange or even decent blue or even fucking green for Wh, but I get all the damn elf weapons in the world
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>>121936517
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/757255/1ff420bfbd/
Parts 1-4
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/871576/139c193cc6/
Part 5

They're all SFW as far as manga go
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!
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>>121955843
I would have except a bot would've gotten killed/fucked up the beam strat just as quickly and he was carrying one of the grims.
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for fuck's sake
>Elf can't get in the elevator
>we all die
>game crashes immediately after

I am getting tired of this shit man
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>>121959760
sounds like you're a shitter and you deserve it
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>>121960189
>I deserve someone else fucking up

cool
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>>121959524
Reminds me of what happened to me the other day.

>Join this soldier's game
>Everyone except him lagging like crazy
>"Oh I'm the host lol my internet sux someone else host"
>Someone else becomes host
>Get to the beam
>His internet disconnects
>Bot soldier jumps headfirst into a massive crowd and deposits a grimoire and tome firmly up a Skaven's urethra
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>>121955110
>bitching about someone not wanting to idle for 10 minutes

Ever tried actually playing the game instead of exploiting like a fag?
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>>121961770
hell isn't The Evil Below better for farming anyway since it's faster and there's no bullshit standoff at the end?
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>>121962029
TEB is best farming outside of white rat sploiting
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>>121962107
yeah I'm not even sure how to do White Rat exploit so yeah
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Okay is this game poorly optimized or is my machine going to shit? I crash SUPER OFTEN seemingly for no reason
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>>121961770
I played the game "normally" for the first 40 hours, faggot. Then I got tired of the bullshit loot system.
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>>121926824
>Not knowing that Bretonnian knights are so OP that they literally charge into cannon fire and having the cannonballs off
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>it's always the Elf

prove me fucking wrong
>>
>6% to apply deadly poison on attack
The fuck is this shit? Is this even useful at all?
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>>121963904
More useful than nothing, but definitely not something to rely on
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>>121963869
how can it always be the elf if it's always the dorf
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>>121951719
You have 46 arrows on longbow, more than enough for specials but not enough to spam on every skaven you see.
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>>121963904
it's pretty much a 6% chance to cause a huge amount of toxin damage over time to a target, capable of killing most clan and slave rats instantly and hurting specials a great deal. I don't know about the ogre though.
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Why does the AoE heal trinket sometimes just not activate?
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>>121963869
see
>>121955110
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>>121952507
wheat and chaff is
I M P O S S I B L E
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>>121965696

Seems to activate only on the pack of band-aids.
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>>121966238
What a pile of bullshit.
It flat out says both medpacks and health pots.
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>use Witch Hunter pistols against Ogre
>feels like I'm wrecking shit
>use them against literally anything else
>feels like I'm barely doing shit

Explain to me.
Is it because the Rat Ogre has a bigger head than other rats and it's easier to consistently land headshots on it?
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>>121966425
pistols have fucking shit accuracy and their sustained fire only shines when you can dump all of the damage easily on one big target, otherwise they're just a fucking gimp of a proper ranged weapon
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>>121952507
You need to be blessed by Sigmar himself a thousand times over to be able to do Wheat and Chaff legit.
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>Drakefire Pistols with Mastercraft and Targeteer

did I do good (for a blue)?
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>>121967269
mastercrafted is pretty shit on anything that doesn't get the 50% reload speed, pretty sure it's only 15% fire rate on drakefires

could be worse though, not bad
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>got an orange drakefire pistols with targeteer
The accuracy is finally not beyond dogshit, I'll never switch away form these ever again.
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Literally dead thread

It was a fun ride
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>>121973989
They're really going to have to work their player numbers back up if they want it to be a success.

I can't imagine the player count would jump past 15k~ any time soon, even if they released the loot fixed and some levels right now.
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>>121951210
Longbows have decent penetration and will skewer between 2-4 rats depending on perks, server shenanigans and how close the rats are together.
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>>121958713
>Play elf all the time
>Orange brace
>orange rapier
>orange zwei
>orange Xbow
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>>121973989

>General for a relatively small release is quiet as a major release's general rages elsewhere

DED GAME DED GAME

>>121974428

I haven't had to wait longer than five minutes for a match all night. They're DEFINITELY not going to just shit out "some levels" right now, that's an absurd expectation to have. They are gonna address the loot stuff and more importantly the performance issues in next week's patch, though.
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>>121975436
>They are gonna address the loot stuff in next week's patch
Since when? As far as I knew the coming patch will only deal with some performance issues, crashes, and a shit ton of exploit fixes.
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>>121975786

Yeah sorry, wrote that wrong, getting tired. Some performance stuff and exploits and AI shit is in the patch for this week, but they have said they are going to look at the loot system on Twitter.
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>mix 4 white items for Bright Wizard
>one short
>throw in a Blunderbuss to complete the mix
>get a fucking Blunderbuss

I should have known.
Anyway, I'm trying to learn Bright Wizard but I'm having a hard time getting rid of my Dwarf habits. What's a good general strategy with her?
Should I actively vent, or should I switch to melee and wait every time?
Is Conflagration the best staff type?
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>>121975436
>that's an absurd expectation to have
Good thing that isn't my expectation or what I implied.
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>>121976002
reminds me of how I was fusing my shit and got three exotic repeater pistols for it
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>>121976002
You shouldn't damage yourself venting unless its absolutely necessary, breaks in the action occur for long enough periods of time that you can easily just wait out the overcharge before you find yourself having to go ham on the staff again. Obviously a melee weapon with chance to vent overcharge on hit helps a lot.

As for the best staff, some people will say its Conflagration, some people will say its the Beam staff, I personally use the Beam staff because its sniping capabilities are more useful to me, and the shotgun is a great crowd clearer that doesn't do friendly fire anyway. Also because 8% chance to heal on hit and 15% faster attack speed.
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>>121976002
Stick to melee most of the time, switch to staff when in a good position and need to kill a bunch of rats quickly or snipe a special. Beam is also good.
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>>121974918
maybe the game is trying to tell you something
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>>121976365
>>121976393
Neat, that makes sense, thanks.
Am I to assume that the Conflagration AOE attack does friendly fire? I'm still not confident moving beyond Hard mode.
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>>121976573
Conflagration AOE doesn't do friendly fire, only the fireballs do.
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Y'all motherfuckers need Sigmar.
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>>121976628
Great.
It would be pretty bullshit if it did, but I still wanted to ask before I started to develop habits I wouldn't be able to keep in Nightmare/Cata

What melee weapon type do you prefer?
I only have Maces so far, which I imagine are pretty shit like Dwarf and Soldier shield-less Maces.
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>>121977097
Whatever weapon you can get an overcharge reduction and bloodlust trait on, when push comes to shove your melee isn't what you're going to be using to push back the swarm.
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>>121977242
Fair enough; I hope I can get them on a flaming sword, those look fucking rad.
Thanks for the tips bruv.
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>>121955820
I roll beam staff, hold beam down on ogre for giggles and try and light specials on fire. Hordes, I alternate between blasting into ally packs and trying to pick off dudes surrounding the melee bros. Note: only works with a semi competent team.

Pugs flaming sword charge attack with dance around, shotgun blast as ohfuck, with the overcharge explosion as my fuck you to rat ogres and hordes.
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>>121977356
I think he was talking about Saltzpyre m8
I did find your tips useful though, I'll keep those in mind when playing Witch.
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Thinking about picking up Vermintide.

Do you think it has staying power or just flavor of the month?
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>>121977806
That's a very good question, personally I really don't know, it has all the right elements of a solid L4D clone, but L4D has zombies which are always popular with people.

In my case, even if the game died in the next month I already feel I got more than my money's worth; over 60 hours for 15 bucks seems like a good deal.
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>>121975436
Not dead game, anon. Dead thread. Left 4 dead is still alive, it doesn't have a thread. Get it?
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I just crafted away my only WH pistols (green) in hopes of getting a blue pair
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>>121978891
What DID you get Anon?
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>my people need me
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>>121978949
A blue bolt staff, I don't even play mage
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>>121978987
been happening a lot recently
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>>121832282
I

what the fuck

I asked this exact same question weeks ago
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>>121979098
I'm so sorry.
I think you would be even more upset if you actually played Witch, Bolt Staff is the Blunderbuss of Staffs.
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>>121832282
>if crossbow has mastercrafted
give it a shot

>if not
pistols my man
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>full die roll as dwarf
>nothing but elf weapons and an exotic repeater as my roll choices
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>enjoying dwarf
>get blue drakefires with 7% regrowth and haste
>healing up 30% hp easily while clearing horde ambushes
>swap to shield when overheating or the press gets too great
BEST CHARACTER
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>>121980107
good taste, dawi
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>Playing with friends
>We keep getting two ogres on Supply and Demand
>One early in the level, the other right at the end bit
What's this?
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>>121976781
And Sigmar's finest.
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Thick ratcock pummelling well used elf pussy over and over, each thrust forcing another mewling cry from the bitch as more ratcum oozes out of her overfilled body and around the fat shaft of her rapist
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>>121977806
It's a great game, if Fatshark continues to support it and release new content it will probably maintain a health community.
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>>121981302
That is normal, ideally you finish the bag collection fast enough to beat the appearance of the 2nd ogre.
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>>121981302
2 ogres can spawn on any "transport" level including W&C.

>the ogre roars the instant the level loads as an extra "fuck you"
>trying to fight a ogre in third person with a fixed camera
>you asked for this by picking W&C
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>100 hours
>still no drakefires or 2handed hammers for either class of any item quality
>still no sword or hammer and board, not even white
I don't get how people can honestly defend this system on the forums and plebbit
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>>121985383
>not gay skaven sex

baka senpai desu
>>
>spam the shield charge attack almost the entire game
>get top kills and damage with more than the next two players combined
Alright, what the fuck is happening? I thought the charge attack was supposed to be garbage for everything but CC
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>>121988819
It does more damage than people give it credit for but the other people on your team must've been slacking pretty hard.
>>
Is it possible to get the higher proc chance insta-kill trait that doesn't effect ogres on a charged attack? Or are they separated so charged hits can only get the ogre killing version and normal hits can only get the "man sized" version?

I'd really like 15-20% instakill normal rats on my shield charge attacks or 2-handers.
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>>121988616
Lone Stormvermin pinned down and stripped by a gang of clanrats after the rest of his squad got wiped out. The lower class vermin take turns violating his mouth and rear, their hot, stiff meat spreading him open as they take his ass two at a time, his groans muffled by another cock that's jammed down his throat. They keep spilling their loads inside him, the heat in the pit of his stomach growing with each new load of skaven spunk that paints his insides as he chokes down another thick wad of ratcum that coats the back of his throat
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What is the population of the skaven under empire?
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http://www.vermintide.com/dlc-plans-2015/
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>>121989229
>http://www.vermintide.com/dlc-plans-2015/
B
A
S
E
D
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>>121989229
Sweeeet.
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>>121989229
>including player control of what loot is dropped ingame
I really hope this means we can choose loot from the table below our roll.
>>
http://steamcommunity.com/games/235540/announcements/detail/753586315657496925

Patch is live
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>>121989229
Is 300k a lot?
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>>121990218
Not bad for an indie game currently exclusive to PC.
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>>121989229
>co-op FPS
>Stockholm, Sweden
>Alternating Free and Paid DLC
no
no no no
not again
NO
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>>121990151
Can anyone comment on the CPU optimisations; any notable fps increase on higher end systems?
At work so i can't check until tonight.
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>>121990218
For a $30 game that sort of appeared out of nowhere I would say so.
At least it seemed to come from nowhere to me anyway.
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>>121989229
>Red class weapons
>Solo mode
>Realism Mode
>Player controlled loot

Should have been in the game in the first place but I am excite.
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>>121990307
I'm on a fairly shit computer,
fx4300, r9 380
It seems like it has increased my framerate by a fair amount, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Anyone can confirm that Horn is fixed now?
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>>121990301
Its hard to think that anyone could look at what Overkill did and decide to follow suit.

So dont worry
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>>121991003
I believe it is. White Rat is also fixed.
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>>121989000
There's a killing blow for charged attacks that is only for man-sized yes.
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>>121989229
I like the claymore.
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Maybe now people can start doing TEB instead of Horn.
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>>121990504
>>Red class weapons
>>Red class weapons>>Red class weapons>>Red class weapons>>Red class weapons>>Red class weapons>>Red class weapons>>Red class weapons


All those oranges I got from cheating will finally be worth somtehing.
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>All those fixes
damn
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>>121991939
>One red class weapon per existing weapon
>Fixed traits
Could be interesting
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>>121989038
Now THIS is more like it. Well done anon.
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>>121992356
Thenk
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>>121990307
Should have a more stable framerate , it still drops during hordes but it's more stable.

on a 660ti
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Prior to the patch I've been running the game on a mixture of high/medium settings and still experienced frame rate drops during large hordes/certain areas of some maps.

I tried maxing the settings out and with this patch the frame rate seems stable, dunno if it's a constant 60 but I'm not getting any more drops, haven't tried all the maps out yet though.

I'm on an i5-3570k and R9 280x
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>>121992331
I want them to fix all weapons. They should all be viable and different instead of some being decent and the rest being shit.
>>
That nerf to W&C certainly made the map easier, I just finished my first attempt at it with a pug on nightmare.

Feels bad I never finished it on nightmare/cata prior to the patch.
>>
>backed up my installation of Vermintide pre-patch
Hopefully I can add it as a non-Steam game and be able to do all the solo exploits still, just as long as their launcher doesn't stop you from launching if you're using an old version of the game.
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>>121993043
Why even bother?
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>>121993101
I never got around to getting shittons of exotics from the white rat exploit
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Is HoM nightmare still the most popular mission?
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>>121989229
>Survival Mode

Why did this have to be the last feature damn.
>>
>>121991939
Will we have to fuse 5 exotics to get a red?
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>>121974428
>>121973989
It's eerily similar to PD2 launch, so I mean, it can be done.
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>>121994349
I wouldn't be surprised if you can't, just to make them that much rarer
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>>121995414
As if exotics aren't already rare as fuck if you don't exploit.
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>tfw a rat ogre spawns in the worst possible area of a mission
>tfw a horde also appears at the same time
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>>121994568
I don't remember payday 2 launch at all. I was there for the cumfest and the literal fuck you tho.


>>121995414
>>121994349
I didn't have forging in mind. I was expecting to destroy them all and get red stones.
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>>76s (you)s
I guess that's enough shitposting
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Anyone want to play? US east here, I ping fine to europe. I have the day off from work and no one is around at this time
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>>121996217
Same shit as this, no one doing anything but two missions and exploiting, half the community going back to the first game / dropping game because of shitty mod / loot system. The game didn't get its numbers back until the the mod pack DLC came out that addressed a lot of the loot problems
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>>121996331
I should have mentioned, I'm level 15, have a mix of greens whites and blues across all characters. Would prefer to play on hard.
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>>121996428
>>121996217
Forgot pic
>>
THE WORLD
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>>121996630
Toki wo tomare.
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>>121996749
You were meant to say IS ENDING you filthy weeb.
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>>121996874
>he says as he posts on a czhecian clone of a containment center for chinese cartoons about little girls
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>>121996995
Too stale! Bring me fresher bait.
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Update!
>Wheat and Chaff spawning tweaked
thank you, fatty mcfat shark
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>>121997396

>A bug causing clanrats to spawn instead of Stormvermins have now been resolved.
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>>121997578
..what is she doing to those cupcakes?
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>teammate is bleeding out
>elf player uses the only first aid kit on themself while at 60% hp

FUCK
ELVES
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>>121997953
Is there such a thing as a good elf?
>>
>>121997396
Just played it, it's much easier for sure.
Spawns are still constant with clanrats all the time but there aren't stormvermin every 20 seconds and slave waves every 30.
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>>121997396
Le chew you're le steak more slowly XD
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>>121998391
what the fuck?
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>Az-Dreugi with Bloodlust
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There are good waifus and husbandos mods?
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>>121998191
I've run into a few; sniping specials, staying with the group, sometimes even healing other people.
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>>121998798
>needing husbando mod when best husbando is already in game
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>>121998624
I think he meant to reply in a Binding of Isaac thread.
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>>121998191

No; elf is objectively inferior in every category to a different class. They're the jack of all trades class, which means that they're redundant and useless in virtually every single scenario. Picking elf means you're gimping the team, which makes you a bad player, which makes elf bad by default in literally every single game.

Here come the asshurt elves who won't be able to disprove a single thing I said.
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>>122000368
I feel like overall they're more useful than the god damn Witch Hunters. They're useless. At least elves can do some DPS.
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>>122000368
mad because bad
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>>122000531
Are you joking? WH have the highest DPS in the game.
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>>122000531
>>122000586

As you can see, elves only retorts are ad hominem shitposting and implications that I'd expect from someone with less than 10 games under their belt.

There really is no such thing as a good elf.
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I wonder if they'll patch in SWOLLEN THROBBING SKAVEN BALLS IN A FURRY SACK PULLED TAUT BY HOW LADEN WITH RATCUM THE HEFTY ORBS ARE
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>>122001591

Probably not
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Here's another game you should never play with 4chan.
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>>122001950

You shouldn't play ANY games with 4chan
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>>122001950
im sorry that the pubbie was a pubbie and that the dwarf did 50% of the team's kills and that we didnt play exactly to your liking, autism-senpai

is what a faggot would say, keep raging on hard lmfao
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>>121993806

Yes. End event can still be cheesed after all this time, and it crashes far less often than Access Violation Below (which would otherwise be the better farming map).
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>>122000945
very mad, very bad
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>>122001950
:)
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>>122002486
By cheese do you mean hiding behind the bench? Because that's a legitimate strategy and fully intended.
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If we can take a minute to stop posting about beastiality and bullshit, how is the patch for everyone?

What I've noticed:

It seems like the hitbox issues are worse. Player 'nudging' is worse. Likely a result of 'collision optimization'.

I've gotten framerate issues where I had none before.

The health sharing trinket is still bugged.

Dead enemies are still tagged.

Enemies still moonwalk everywhere.

Had some more pronounced netcode issues (desync, warping, lagstabs)
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>>122003095

There is a little step beside the bottom left stairs under the horn that acts like the beam exploit
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Bright Wizard feels pretty toothless now after the fireball nerfs.
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>>122003381
Anyone tried the Hagbane?
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>>122003161
>It seems like the hitbox issues are worse
might be placebo but i feel this way to
quite often now i'll have a rat run up to me , dodge a swing and hit me with a charge attack despite the end of it's weapon clearly being out of range
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>>122003589

Melee weapon ranges (for you and the rats) are longer than they appear. Especially if you use a wide FOV, which you should.
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>>122001930
Shame
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>>122003161
Agreed, especially about hitboxes. Something is def. off right now.

The only positive thing in this update is it seems performance issues have been mostly fixed for low end computers, whereas it seems to have introduced new issues.
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So, what about that DLC. I think it's good they are trying to unfuck the loot system
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>>122004235
It's fucking shit. Pulling out a marketing move for something that shouldn't have been a problem in the first place stinks.

Granted, it could have been worse if they had charged for it, but still. Also 3rd december? The fuck? They already missed their launch. Fix it too late and no one's going to play.
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>>122004235
I don't know how I feel about those red quality weapons have a set bunch of traits. It might make them blatantly BiS or they'll be sub-par compared to a rare exotic with perfect traits.
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>Can't carry pubshitters with BW anymore.

it's over lads.
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>He STILL thinks it's about the loot
>He's STILL mad that the loot system is all RNG
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>>122004501
There's only so far you can go with crowd control and ratman slaying, anon. Don't worry. I can't either, for some reason.
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>>122004235
Survival/realism seem pretty pointless.

>>122004448
They will probably be worse than an absolutely perfect orange but that still makes them a guaranteed upgrade for 99% of players.

I really hope they have set proc chances though.
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YOUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Now that Fireball got the nerfbat, removing its penetration, is Conflag staff pretty much up there now?
Fireball may as well be a Conflag, just that it hurts allies as well.
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>>122006179
What do you mean?

Conflag has always been the best staff
Beam second
Then comes a massive power gap after which Fireball and Bolt are found in a ditch
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>>122006336
Have fun with your bubonic dick, I guess.
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>>122006464
But bubonic plague is transmitted through blood contact, isn't it?
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>>122006375
This so much.

I have no fucking clue why they nerfed the fireball further when it's already complete garbage on any meaningul difficulty.
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>>122006375
What about conflag is so great anyway? I don't understand it.
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>>122007579
The aoe on it does no FF
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>>122006614
like your man dick isn't going to rip rat ass.

enjoy the gangrene, furfag.
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Seems like the optimizations did very little to improve performance on White Rat, that mission fucking tanks my FPS.
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post yfw Horn of Magnus exploit is finally fixed
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>>122008385
Which one
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>>122008385
>you will never feel this amazed about anything ever
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>>122008385

Do people who stand beside the elevator while one goes as the sacrifice get swarmed and fucked now?
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>>122007762
You don't think they're loose as fuck from all the gay rat orgies?
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IF YOU ARE BELOW LEVEL 30 STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY NIGHTMARES YOU FUCKING SHITS
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>carry a tome and grimoire
>after defending the wards on wizard map we head out
>get ambushed by 2 gunners that kills me so we lose a grimoire
>they run back and revive me in ward room since the 4th character is still a bot and refuses to pick up the tome
>i pick it up and at the wagon i get grabbed by a hookrat that drags me behind the cart where they can't save me thus losing the tome as well

Not sure if i should be mad or impressed.
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>>122010517
Well you should have been prepared for the 2 gunners. Specials always get stuck in that room and are ready for you.
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>>122008547
Beam

>>122008835
I've noticed more globadiers tend to spawn when we do that, over the course of 20something runs, it's too much to be coincidental
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>>121999027
I want a better waifu
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>>122003589
>>122004223
Perhaps it's exacerbating poor network conditions?
I've been playing with friends with rock solid internet connections that live nearby and yesterday we had near perfect connections but today all but the host was experiencing really bad issues even when we swapped hosts around.

I'm pretty pissed about the performance update. Seems to have lost be ~10 fps at all times.
i56600k, [email protected] was running me a solid capped 60 dipping to 50 at the absolute worst now I'm dipping into the 40's during regular hordes and shit.

>>122003960
I'm aware of the range discrepancy.

I do note that they adjusted the view model of at least your weapons in higher FoV as I can see way more of my arms. So at least your weapons are visually more inline with their actual range now.

>>122004448
All the weapons have set traits. They aren't randomly assigned as I first thought but all pre made.
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>>122011006
you have sienna dont be greedy
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>>122010956

>I've noticed more globadiers tend to spawn when we do that, over the course of 20something runs, it's too much to be coincidental

I hope so because I despise shitters who do that.
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>>122011081
>disheveled 45 year old woman
>waifu

Please stop
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>>122011636
Are you going to drop your waifu just because she gets old?
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>>122012238
Yes, and you trade up for a younger, prettier waifu.
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>>122012713
Disgusting
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>>122012808
Not as disgusting as your decrepit old leather waifu
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Resident Elf apologist here; bringing my Elven bros some news on the Hagbane buff.


HOLY.
FUCK.
Kick yourself immediately if you dumped your Hagbane bows.
It's still not too hot against regulars but it will one shot with a charged attack now and I can't say the AOE is amazing in crowds. It's better but not great still.
How-fucking-ever.
Against the Ogre it's beyond amazing. It's better than brace pistols, it's better than the trueflight ever was. If you pop a strength pot and just unload arrows you will kill the ogre before the potion ends. This was on nightmare.

Jesus christ.
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:3
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>>122013408
>this entire post
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>>122013408
btw I was only using a green bow. With extra ammo enchant.
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How are crossbows compared to handguns?
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>>122014701
shit
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>>122014952
I was hoping for a serious response.
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>>122015306
They do less damage for a slightly shorter reload time. The point of the weapon is to snipe enemies in one shot so they fill no niche other than 'i don't have a good handgun'
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>>122014701
they're alright if you want to shoot clan/slave rats instead of sniping specials all day long

the only thing that crossbow holds over handgun is penetration and slightly faster firing speed, so it's good on nightmare for helping to clear out clans and slaves when you have nothing better to do since the bolts pierce about two or three rats and kill in a torso shot. On cataclysm rats can walk off a crossbow bolt though.

Handgun is just good for hitscan and high damage on specials, but is trash at actually taking out more than one target. If you're good with a crossbow you can fill the sniping role just fine if you place your shots accurately.
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>>122009312
I think you think about disgusting beastiality with parasite riddled ratmen too much.

you're an enemy of the state and I hope your pox scared dick falls off

>>122013695
personally, I like how ugly Sienna is. It's nice having ugly females in games.
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>>122012713
You're disgusting and need to die. You don't deserve the pure love a waifu can provide.
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>>122015918
She's quite literally an old hag.

But it's nice to see such a design because it's both different for your usual PC and that it's very much in line with the setting. So there's neither dumb fanservice or pointless SJWpandering.
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>>122016240
Aye, plus her lines ingame are awesome.
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>>122016240
>>122016392
You two are alright.
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>>122015306
It's a fucking projectile and not hit scan. It's SHIT.
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>>122016604
Hit scan crutch shitter detected.
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>>122016989
He asked for a comparison of the two. Hitscan > Projectiles everytime.
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>>122014701

They are vastly superior to handguns.

The thing is that handguns/arquebuses are decent at only one job, and that is sniping specials. However almost everyone has a weapon capable of doing that easily. Any elf bow, staff primary (the small fireballs), any wh weapon. There is zero reason to be running a handgun/arquebus.

The crossbow is only slightly inferior to the handgun at sniping specials, and it also penetrates multiple targets which makes it somewhat viable for clearing hordes, in particular with the master crafted.
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>>122017330
I was waiting for this kind of retard to show up, thank you
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>>122017654

Kek it's funny how in every thread some handgun defending idiot shows up. They are probably shitters who got a lucky orange roll because they never play on harder difficulties because they are not good enough, and it was a handgun.
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>>122017781
Yes one shotting specials on every difficulty instantly is a horrible thing and it's definitely not worth having all four party members capable of doing it
better use that ammo on those clan rats instead of your sword that cleaves
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>>122017938

I'm always on the top of the kills with a shotgun + axe combo. By unironically wanting everyone to have a ranged weapon incapable of clearing hordes you sabotage the effectiveness of your team. Every time a horde is coming in somewhat of a cluster or a line and you wait for them to come to melee range you put yourself to a needless risk and waste stamina when you could have just shot them before they get close.
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>>122018464
and I'm always on top of kills with greatsword and handgun
the game is 90% playstyle
the conversation is about the validity of crossbows and there is very little to none for them because they don't fulfill any niche well
handguns are better for sniping specials and there is a multitude of other weapons that are useful for clearing hordes
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>>122018797

There is no reason not to shoot a horde with a weapon capable against them and then switching to melee, if you only rely on melee you again sabotage the effectiveness of your team. The crossbow doesn't have to fill a niche because it's only slightly inferior to the handgun for sniping specials and much better for everything else, making it overall more useful. The only scenario in which the crossbow is objectively poor if you're such a bad player that you cannot hit anything if the weapon is not hitscan.
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>>122019541
and you can do that and stilll kill multiple with the handgun, it has light penetration and has a slightly longer reload time
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Guys.

Guys.


How can we fix the weapons so that they are all good in a way but different instead of having objectively superior loadouts?
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So did they remove the beam exploit?

Does the game run any better?
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>>122020105
There are only like 3 weapon types that are close to non-viable, that is good enough for me.
If they buffed those then we would be all set.
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>>122020105
Make 2h sword charge swing deal more damage than hammer's, make the 2h axe charge swing always kill clanrats/slaves but keep them not being able to do a full swing against a group.

Make conflag's basic attack more of a lobbed AoE than fireball's basic, and give the fireball charge attack a much larger explosion radius.

Remove handguns.
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>routinely top every category on Normal difficulty
>figure I'm ready to try out hard
>get my shit completely handed to me

Stormvermin are so much harder now, and I can't just cleave constantly with my 2H hammer any more. How the fuck do I git gud /vtg/?
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>>122020624
Or rather make them take a full thirty seconds to reload.
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>>122020913
Block.
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>>122020913
block dodge push
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eternal loading screen
g
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y
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>>122020913
>I can't just cleave constantly

Y-yes. You can.
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Enjoy; https://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/CryNIGm.gif&v=VAwLS2BzEbU
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>>122020624
>>122021101
I think that handguns should have flintlock-tier accuracy.
They're just too useful not to use in most cases. Did the WH world even have rifling?
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>>122020913
React to when the strike to their head doesn't stun them by blocking or dodging.
Unless you mean in packs when your hammer gets stopped by a SV hit.
Well, first priority is always prevention. If you can then kill any commander stormvermin you see.
If the pack is already attacking and they're just in the midst then you generally'd want to save your bombs for those situations even in nightmare, maybe in cata, since the FF in Nightmare at least isn't as bad as, say a pack and just 2 unbound stormvermin can be.
Third thing you can always try and do is step a bit back and try and snipe them, they're taller than other rats and a headshot with a handgun is a sure kill, even if you just hit the body you'll stagger them and the next shot should kill them regardless of where you hit.
Also, dodging, blocking etc.
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>>122022961
It's all blackpowder and flintlocks still, so I doubt it. In the RPGs and Tabletop the rifles are pretty unreliable and it's just a gameplay related issue in vermintide
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>>122022961

Blackpowder weaponry vary depending on who has access to them, from shitty unrifled flintlock rifles to holy shit triple barreled artillery and such.
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>>122025546
>unrifled flintlock
what does rifling stand for
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>>122025684

Helical grooves in the barrel of a gun, in short it makes the bullet spin so it stabilizes and becomes much more accurate.
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>>122025684
it helps the bullet cut through the air, making it A LOT faster and thus more accurate.
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Is Enemy Below still crashing every other run?
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>>122023370
I wouldn't mind a rarity based chance to misfire.
20>15>10>5%?. An enchantment to misfire less could be added. Would prevent them from just being simply better than everything.
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>>122026084
>>122025953
Oh, right that. Thanks, I didn't know its name in English.

And they did that back then with black power weapons? I can see it happening in the industrial era but still. That's pretty badass.
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>>122026182
Personally I would, we already have enough RNG as it is right now. If anything, I would prefer them to make the difference in reloading time (even with Master Crafted) to be more significant between guns and crossbows.
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>>122026182
That would certainly make crossbows more viable. But then again, crossbows have more or less range than a musket? Maybe adding bullet drop to that like magic and arrows have.
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>well watch, hard
>bright wizard has been revived twice, is on temp hp
>get medkit, have half health and Symbol of Shallya, think I'll heal BW and get some extra HP
>right click to heal Bright Wizard, game tells me
>right click
>Elf gets healed, even though she had 10% off max health
>Rogre comes with a tide of Stormvermin, everyone gets shrekt
>This possibly could have been avoided if the game actually healed the BW instead
I am a pile of salt.
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>>122031074

Everyone makes mistakes, senpai. Everyone has those days, brah.
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>>122031179
The quality of 4chan's posts has gone up significantly ever since newt filtered buzzwords and replaced them with "senpai" and "desu".
And I didn't make the mistake. The game made the mistake. That was such horseshit.
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How is the performance after the update?
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>>122029802
>back then
Back when? In the past of a fantasy universe?
I'm just busting your balls.
In real life they didn't rifle muskets, muskets were designed as smoothbore as blackpowder arms fouled the barrel something fierce and soldiers wouldnt be able to stop and clean the barrel in combat. Black powder rifles where certainly used as early as the American Revolution (c.1770) as sharpshooters weapons which was their first major implementation in warfare, the increased accuracy was not regarded as useful for rank and file frontline troops as the smoke from cartridges made it impossible to see shit anyway. But hunters and frontiersmen working in small teams were able to make very effective use of their superior accuracy to become the first 'snipers'. The idea of rifling was used a decent way before too, I'm not certain of the specifics of their use but the origins date back to the 15th century.
Hope that answered your question, /k/ over and out.
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>>122031416

It happens.
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so is hagbane good now?
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>>122031416
No you dumbass. You made the mistake.
The game only responds to your inputs you thick cunt. You misclicked. It happens.

Why the fuck can't people accept they make mistakes in video games?
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>>122031532
Yeah. It does. But I'm still salt pile.
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>>122031614
>>122031479

Read the thread, dumbass.
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>>122031648
The game was saying "right click to heal the bright wizard"
and I did. And then it healed the elf instead.
How is that a mistake of my input, when I was told I would be healing the BW instead of the Elf?
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>>122031804
Because either through their last minute movement or yours you probably strayed a pixel over a fraction of a second before pressing the button.
Seems more likely than something that has never happened to anyone else in 4,693,862 hours of play.
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>>122031804
You could have opened your eyes to see the person in front of you was wearing green clothes with a furred coat and didn't have flaming eyes and arm runes.
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>>122032035
>implying you can't heal people despite them fucking off after you click on their name and they are no longer in front of you

I'm not defending that guy but you are trying a little bit too hard to ascertain that it's completely impossible the game bugged out.
It's not like weird shit happens in-game all the time, right?
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question about the hagbane

Does the poison aoe hurt teamates? or only the arrow itself?
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>>122031790
too long
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Is the best / quickest item farming map still enemy below?
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>>122032473
The AOE hurts teammates, yes, it even hurts yourself so you can suicide with it if you want.
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>>122031517
yeah the fantasy universe, but if they can make those gatling guns that spins with your fucking hand I'm sure making a tube have a few spoopy lines inside is not difficult
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Guy who pretty much always makes the new thread here. It seems to have picked up some since the patch and new DLC will be here in not too long.

Do we want to try a Warhammer General next thread or keep going with just Vermintide?
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>>122032976
Keep going with VTG, and when the TW WH game comes out, if VT has died down, we'll see about merging our general into theirs.
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>>122031517
Adding to this, a well trained 18th C British line infantryman (and literally all they did was drill during weekdays) could fire, reload and fire again in 15-20 seconds whereas a person firing a Jāger rifle would be lucky to get one out in 45 seconds since they had to screw the wadding and bullet down through the rifling.

But yeah, Empire blackpowder is a giant mess of shit ranging from the cannon on a stick that the blunderbuss is ingame to a breech-loading Hochland Long Rifle and everything in between.
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>>122032976
I like this idea.
>>122033151
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>>122032976
This >>122033151
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>>122032976
I'll come back to shitpost once the content patch comes out. For now its fo4.
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How do I see the player stats for Vermintide?
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>on Hard, playing my usual Elf
>trying so damn hard to be a team player
>way off my game, keep missing easy shots and getting hit more than I should
>surrounded during horde, die before team can cut through to me
>miss half the level, team does fine without me
>back in for runup to finale, all low on health but I'm determined to step it up
>nope, packmaster pulls me into a passing sv patrol
>apologize as raging teammates votekick me

tfw you just gave three people another 'elf shitter ruins everything' story
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>>122033528
http://steamcharts.com/app/235540
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>>122033675

Thanks, mang.
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Is most of the population playing on normal or hard?
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>>122034046
yo momma playin on mah hard dik BITCH
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>>122034046

Normal I'd guess.

>>122034145

pic related
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I'm not sure Well on Cata is even possible doing it legit...

The last run was going so well then within 10 seconds
>Ratling Gunner through brick wall
>2 Gutter Runners
>5 Stormvermin casually hop over a wall and one shot the Witchhunter who was trying to shoot the gutterrunner off the dwarf

Honestly... I mean come on
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>>122034437
Cata doesn't really feel very rewarding, shit basically becomes bullet sponges and gear checks.

I wish it was more like killing floor 2 where the rats start getting new abilities/mechanics rather than steroids.
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>>122034437
Yeah, I feel like the RNG is a bit of a bitch in the game. For once, I actually miss scripted events.
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>>122034621
I don't know about you but beating all on Cata felt fucking great.
Group never exploited though and just used whatever gear we had up until white rat / well watch, so that may have a factor maybe?
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>>122034621

You're not wrong.

The fucking minimum loot should be blue... to get a fucking green after legit playing through where three swipes and you're down?

And the director ramps up the difficulty by...

Horde
Stormvermin
Gutter Runners
Ratling
Horde
Rating
Horde
Gutter Runners
Stormvermin
Horde
Ratling
12 x Stormvermin
Packmaster
Ratling
Horde
Horde
Packmaster
Horde
Packmaster
Packmaster
GutterRunner
Rat Ogre
Horde
Horde

Congrats, here's a green one handed axe
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>spent the whole week trying to get a blue Rapier or Zweihander for Saltpile
>finally get a blue rapier
>1.5% chance on hit to heal 5% health
>8% chance to increase attack speed by 30%
Well I suppose there's always searching for more and better stuff. But that was better than my green.
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>>122034823
It's good when you use a group to go through it and everyone is coordinated, but I feel there are better experiences for that beyond vermintide. Not that it takes away from the fun you guys had.

I guess, from a more pub/shitter/what have you approach, I'd like to see more complexity in the ncps than just their health and damage go up. "Dueling" with a rat ogre is one of my favorite fucking things to do in this game, and I would love to see them gain new attacks/mechanics on harder difficulties.

>>122034957
I think they still give you a chance for shit loot on cata because they're concerned that if people find hard exploits like white rat's then people would just run that shit over and over, then when they're geared after 10 or so runs they stop playing.
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>>122035820
Oh, I understand. We just do it with a bunch of games and this was kind of an inbetween until KF2 comes completely.
I met the guys I PD1 and we've stuck around for a while just shooting the shit every weekend / weeknights playing random co-op games.

I completely agree with enemy complexity though, I'm hoping if they do go through with the Chaos DLC that a lot of the enemies are like Stormvermin in that you actually have to fight them and not just cleave through
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>>122036009
That sounds lovely, glad you're having fun anon. I'm not that hype for gunslinger, but the firebug did pleasantly surprise me.
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>>122034957
What rewards can you ONLY get in Cata?
I'm still barely good enough to survive Hard so I have a long way to go, but I imagined Nightmare would hit that sweet spot between most challenging and plain bullshit.
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>>122036495

Red Hats?
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>>122036589
They appear in nightmare a fair bit
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>>122037315

Then nothing.

Cata just gets you 4/5 oranges
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any good?
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>>122040163
>dev blow
>bloodlust

Yeah it looks pretty decent, pommel can be good if it rolls high.
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So what map is everyone farming nowadays for loots?
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>>122041025
Random
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>>122035615

I know that feel, anon. Finally crafted an orange axe/shield combo, and the attributes are garbage.

But hey, at least there's that base damage upgrade, right...?
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>>122040163
Very good weapon.
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>>122041025
Whatever till the next big exploit
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Longbow or trueflight longbow?
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>still a month to go till the game will be playable
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>>122043348
I don't even have an orange longbow, but you can do some really cool shit with the trueflight.

In Man the Ramparts, you can take out the two commanders at the chain to your left, without actually jumping down. You target through the floor, and shoot outwards and it'll curve back in.
If you know stuff is, you can do a lot of stuff like that. If someone gets caught behind a corner because they are slow, do the same thing. Gets some good reactions from the team.

No idea if its actually better though.
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>>122043348
Longbow

Trueflight is for retards and completely unecessary since either the dwarf, soldier or mage is gonna do long distance sniping.
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>beat White Rat on nightmare after so many tries wiped at the Ogre
>get a white mace and shield
HOW DID THEY EVER THINK THIS LOOT SYSTEM WAS ANY GOOD?
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Most importantly, why the elf has such pretty nails?
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>>122043937
She needs them to look at their best when she's jacking off two rats simultaneously.
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>join a hard game, horn of mangos
>22 elf is host
>finish the level and reach the inn
>its a fucking shithole, not even grain sacks
>not a single flag on the wall
This fucking elf has been farming horn of magnus until level 22 and hasn't done one single other quest holy shit.
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RIP in piece White Rat exploit

So, anyone discover a new one yet? I kind of liked exploring the geometry outside the map like that.

Protip: Don't post it to fucking Reddit this time.
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>>122044261
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>>122045043
>Don't post it to fucking Reddit this time.

No, post it here so I can report it to Fatshark :^)
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Performance almost seems worse after this supposed 'optimization' patch.
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>>122043716
>>122043562

Doesn't even bug out on ogres anymore.
It's a crutch weapon with no redeeming features.
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Great, now elf shitters are running around in my nightmare games lighting allies up with hagbane

fuck this game
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The only use I found for hagbane was solo sprinting throuh a map to hit a special with 4 arrows without much slowdown and gurantee it dies even if it gets you pinned. Other than that it's complete shit.
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>>122048139
>>122048139
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So what if anything did that update change? There didnt seem to be any increase in performance in the game I just played. Did they revamp the loot system? Also when are thet gonna get rid of the fucking launcher for the launcher?
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