/awg/ - Armored Warfare Genera

https://aw.my.com/gb/news/general/introducing-update-011

>custom matches
nice, finally i can shit around the maps

>buffed chally, leo line, t-72s and scorpion (also dragoon got smoke grenades)
mmh muh dick!

>nerfed health on abrams
DICK IS DIAMONDS PLS STOP

>inb4 slowpoke
i didn't logged in in the past week

Bought the emperor package. I hope I didnt just get jewed.

Which tier 2 skill should one get for Sabrina? I have not played light tanks yet and dont know if her transverse buff is worth it. Currently grinding her out on my MBTs.

what sort of AFV's would be better to stick Sabrina on over Freya?

>>121711646

It's pretty much camouflage and view range dependent.
If it has less than 0.25 camouflage, it's never worth to put on Sabrina over Freja/Juan. Even if it has exactly 0.25 or just above it, it depends on if your AFV is a combat AFV or not.

>>121711173
Always go left.

>>121711646
Anythign that is not a brawler but a spotter.

Spotters are Dongfire, XM800, Wiesel, etc.
Brawlers are BMP/BMD.

Where get juan

>>121712754
you get gvozdika tovarish)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Anti-materials or anti personnel for Juan?

>>121710849
Pretty much my reaction.

>>121712982
Anti-TRACKS. Anti-FAGGITS is Freya's special.

>Airfield
>5 MBTs, only 2 go south
>tell everybody we need more mbt south
>what gives you the right to tell us? because you can type?
>we lose when South is overpowered

>too poor for preorders or whatnot
>artillery makes me suicidal

how do I commanders

>>121715605
antidepressants

>>121715605
arty is fun you only need to [spolier]___________________________________________________________git_gud___________________________________________________________________[/spoiler]

>>121717247
smooth

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1st for posting images on an imageboard

>Genera
>no edition
>not titling it "We pastebin now edition"

Bad OP/10 try again

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>>121717247
But I'm not terrible at it. I can relocate, lead targets, get good hits. I'm not an expert, but it sucks to have a decent match and get like 800xp at the very most.

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>only tier 7 in the entire match
>barely even did anything
>all this XP for a double

Thanks, MM.

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>>121718137

GO HOME STRYKER

GO BACK TO CANADA

THE M8 IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE BETTER

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gau-8 divads when

>>121708984
Where are the NA clans?

>>121720665
>NA
>clans

What's the highest caliber auto cannon that's ever been build and why isn't it ingame?

>>121720665
memes

>>121720837

define autocannon

>>121720665
Hunting negros and dancing around fires.

How do clans work, anyways? I haven't bothered with them. How do you get a clan emblem?

>>121720753
>>121720937
>>121720991
If I made a clan would people join, or is NA that dead?

>>121721216
>join 121721216
>anyone

>>121721216
I would, got 50% winrate, still learning and on tier 5 atm

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>>121720984
Define your mom.

Wikipedia that shit.


Pic related has 40 mm one. Woah!

>>121708984
Did they fix the crashing for overclocked cards yet?

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AFV with GAU-8 cannon mount when?

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someone up for a t4 platoon on EU?

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>>121721839
>not glorious GSh-6-30
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-6-30

Crazy military tech is comedy gold.

>>121721451
>40mm autocannon

and thats the Swede vehicle they're adding to the game in the 3rd dealer?

sweet jesus

>>121722480

it's just a bofors. i'm surprised there aren't any in-game already, it's been around since ww2

>>121722678
>1930/1934

sorry, well before ww2

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post tonks

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>>121723483

postan tonk

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>>121723483
shit, woops

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>>121723483
tonks are shit, post tonkas

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>>121723680
FUCK

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>>121723889
fuck wrong era for the game

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>>121724062
son of a

you're not funny, bruh

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am tank :DDDDD

oh fugg regoill DDD:

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>>121724338
fug

here we go

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>>121721216
Most people using the general who plays on NA are already in NTR.

It's just the natural order of things.

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blub blub blub

>>121724602
Then who are the new players here suppose to join on NA? That fact that there isn't a clan in the OP probably makes some leave thinking there isn't any strong playerbase here on NA. And not having a simple clan for people to join creates a brick wall in some people's faces who want to actually play with others here, as there isn't a chat system like WoT.

>>121726491
just hop on the NTR teamspeak and ask for the fag who does invitations

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>reactor
>south spawn
>3/4ths ouf MBTs go damn

oh boy

>ally shoots your afv while you are trying to circle an enemy

Is the XM1 worth the suffering of the M60A3?

This thing is just so fucking slow.

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>have Scorpion for days
>use it extensively for days
>just now become aware of that cylinder next to the turret

what the fuck

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>>121728268
next to the barrel* I mean

>>121728268
You mean the cannon?

>>121728750
the short stubby thing next to the barrel

>playing stingray 2
>Weisel yolorushes me
>can't turn fast enough to get my front foward
I'm so glad they gave lts the hull traverse of mbts

>>121727284
shit like that is going to happen dont be a little bitch about it unless its twice from the same person

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dis game is 2ez

>>121731047
>all those consumables

>>121730434
>aiming is hard
>at least I penned something

>>121731291
Yes, in this one game I made enough to pay for at least 20 games worth. What about them?

>>121731303
>aiming is hard

t. everyone's MBT gunner

>>121731590
>premium

oh fucks sake, reactor for the third time in a row. same side too

>>121732138
And without I made enough for about 10-12 games of consumables. Do you have a point? Playing without consumables is just gimping yourself. But please do continue running none, so I can track you and set you on fire, love those guys.

>>121726491
There isn't an NA clan because most of the fags who play this game on NA have joined NTR and there isn't enough people to form another one. Go fucking bother them if you're so concerned.

>>121731303
ive aimed at people clear across the map just to have some teammate pull out infront of me before and take the shot in the side. like i said shit like that happens and and some times rng cone fire goes full retard. so like i said shit happens dont be a little bitch about it.

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>>121732205

are you fucking kidding me?

>>121732410
>Konata a shit

>>121733007
That's different than shooting a wiesel who is clearly circling a lt just fine, and tracking him in the process

So in order to take load off the CPU which runs very hot in this game, should I raise my graphics to ultra so that the GPU takes more load and more heat, which it can handle better than my CPU?

>>121733414

ahahahahahaha

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>>121733414

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>>121733414

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>>121733106

IT
KEEPS
HAPPENING

How to fix lts:
Make the t4, t6-t9 tds
Buff their pen and damage to not shit levels
make the t3 and t5 afvs
Boom, class fixed

>me and two arties alive against an arty and another tank.
>hide behind building and spot
>think I'm arty save
>enemy arty kills me with splash

What the fuck man

>>121726491
We'll take you so long as you're not an insufferable sperglord more than us

>>121734347
A missile TD line would be pretty damn cash.

>People on the AW forums actually believe PvE will be treated equal to PvP
PvE players are such schmucks.

is there an NA battalion i can join?

really tempted to buy some gold and premium so I can slog through the grind

at least the grind is not as bad as WT was, with generous amounts of credit being given per match here

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Scorpion 90 (mm) when?

>>121736313

yeah, message me in-game

Russian bias gun depression,


1. M1128 in real life has -10. In-game, -5
2. T-90MS has -10 in game. -6 in real life.
3. M1A2 has -5 in game. -9 in real life.
4. T-54 has -9 in game. -5 in reality.
5. T-80 has -7 in game. -5 in reality.


Of balance tovarisch

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>>121736657
Scimitar when

>>121736837

)))))))

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>>121736881
Striker when

>>121737087
i like it, looks like a much more compact and faster swiftfire

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>>121737423
>swiftfire

Swingfire

>>121737087
missile TD branch when

>>121737710
Marder 1 and 2 and Puma when

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when?

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>>121738646
Raketenjagdpanzer 1, 2, Jaguar 1 and 2 ATGM TDs when

>>121739019
AMX13/105 when?

>>121739019
>200 damage on a direct hit

>>121739019
If i take that muzzle brake off will you die?

>>121739370
It would be extremely hot

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S
E
K
S
Y

>>121740589
You're a big gun

>>121740589
UUUU

>>121741874
Perhaps he wonders why you would smoke a tank before shelling him with HE.

>>121741874

T-84U

>Operation Kodiak in an M109

suicide

So what's the best way to grind the damage deflected requirement for shitskins British MBT line?

EU server down or something? I'm getting that "authentication failed" shit.

>>121744520
Hull down in either the T-62 or T-64.

>>121744520
Russian mbts

>>121744520

Play MBTs.

Alright, I'm getting real fuckin' sick PvE grind with pubs. 50% of matches 2-3 of the players just suicide into enemy swarms.

Anyone here playing right now and want to form a platoon for some medium difficulty PvE play?

>>121744520
Hug something that has an autocannon in PvE. Alternatively just fucking play the T-64.

>>121744880
>having trouble with medium PvE
You have absolutely no excuse unless you're constantly meeting retards that bring in tier 5s.

>>121744920
>>121744818
>>121744767
>>121744716

Did that before I saw the replies, T-64 and hugging the autocannon enemies, its so satisfying to hear those bouncing rounds

>>121744520

Sidescrape T-54.

>>121745629
>T-64

T-62 I mean

>>121745845
You are an evil man.

>>121745140

I consistently perform the highest on my teams. It's not that I'm "having trouble", it's that I wish I didn't have to do all the work. If I focus on the main objective so we don't you know, lose, the secondary objective never gets completed and if I run off to do the secondary everyone dies.

I'm not saying I'm a great player, I'm a scrub too, but fuck at least I understand the basic concepts of teamwork.

> That Challanger buff
Is it gud now?

>>121746330
>I wish I didn't have to do all the work
Fuck off, retard. The more you carry the more xp you get and the less you have to waste time on PvE. And since you're very likely a clapistani you can just tell the dumbfucks on your team to do the secondaries.

>>121745845
not till 0.11 huehuehu

>>121746715

no

>>121746771

Alright, you're clearly not interested in platooning, so why the fuck are you even responding to me?

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>>121746715
it's gunna be fucking rad man))))))))))

>>121746956
Just telling you how things are since you don't seem to be able to realize that on your own.

>>121746870

What changes there?

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>>121747107
more opchan!

>>121747301
>Fixed an issue where AP (armor piercing) shells could normalize on each impact with successive layers of vehicle armor instead of only on the first impact. They now only normalize on the first impact, which will mean that side-scraping will be a more effective defensive tactic.

>mbts are getting killed by afvs when they flank them?
>let's make them immune to autocannons even from the rear
T9 is going to be tons of fun

So is the XM1 shit now? I recently got it and can't do fucking anything to tier VII MBTs frontally, the penetration on the top AP rounds just seem atrocious.

>>121747620
This is bullshit. Sidescraping was originally not possible because that shot doesn't work IRL, especially with APFSDS rounds. It either goes through or it buries itself until it's energy is lost. you can find images armour having been hit at insane angles and the shot cuts right through.

>>121747823
The LFP was weakened. That's literally the only nerf it received, I believe. I it used to OP due to it's combination of speed and insane frontal armour.

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>>121747758

>AFVs can actually deal damage to MBTs that stand out in the open like retards if they use HE?
>nerf it three times ))))))
>AFVs can actually use ATGMs against MBTs but still have to aim for weak spots?
>give everything APS, make MBTs extremely mobile, and give them tons of HP and shaped charge modifiers )))))))))
>AFVs can actually deal damage to MBTs if they flank them?
>make it so MBTs are immune to autocannons entirely if they back their rear into a wall )))))))))

If the token system wasn't in the game so I can get a T9 of my choice I would probably just have quit.

>cannon almost inside of wiesel
>every shell misses
fug :DDDDD

>>121748413

actual MBTs aren't anywhere near as durable as the devs seem to want them to be

ok so about 20 20-30mm HE shells hitting a tank a minute might not outright destroy it but it would certainly fucking wreck all the instruments, hatches and treads that get hit, especially flanked

>>121749098

It feels like they're trying too hard to make them WoT heavies, instead of them actually playing like an MBT (which is really more like an up-armored medium)

>>121711015
Compared to what you'd get for that in WT o WoT, you were no by any means.

T6 prems ae money-pinting machines and you can buy an insane amount of premium with all that gold. Hell, the initial prem days from the pack are easily enough that if you ever want new prem time, you'll have the lvl 5 listening post for a 10% discount on it by then.

>>121749295

No, they're trying too hard to make them like what people think MBTs are like in real life:
Impenetrable to everyone and everything, faster than light tanks/AFVs, better spotters than AFVs, and should be the most popular class because "who's heard of a BMP?"
In other words, they want MBTs that do everything better than every other class.

>>121749730

I guess I agree with you there. Impenetrable rapidly mobile death fortresses.

But, there's a reason that many countries rely on vehicles other than MBT's for, you know, armored warfare.

>>121748413
>make it so MBTs are immune to autocannons entirely if they back their rear into a wall
Except now, they have 200m rear armor, so the terminator and crab can't pen them anywhere

>>121750321

I'm not saying MBTs are fine this way. Obsidian is utterly destroying any semblence of balance by making MBTs be close to as effective they are at combat in real life.
Except instead of infantry, MBTs just shit on every other tank.

Go home AFVbabs

>>121750631

I wasn't trying to imply that you were, I was just agreeing with your statement.

>>121750961
It's not just afvs. It's tds and lts getting fucked too

Just started playing. I've tried WoT and WT in the past. But so far I'm like AW a lot more.

>>121750321
In fairness, MBTs were used quite heavily in the last major tank engagement of this century - the invasion of Iraq. I'm not justifying what Obsidian is doing, but part of the problem in this scenario is that the really nasty counters to moving hunks of steel - ATGMs - are better used by Infantry/Helis/Planes to kill tanks.

They're also (and probably never will because of the MBT fetishism) ignoring the idea of kinetic-kill missiles, which were explored by the US before they realized that there weren't enough MBT targets that they'd need to kill with them. We'll never see a LOSAT-equivalent, in all likelihood. To resemble it the 80kg, 1500m/s missile, you'd probably have to have an alpha in the multiple thousands.

We'll never even see a CKEM-equivalent, despite the fact that it'd probably be a little closer to balanceable.

>>121752045
>probably never will
always will ignore, that is.
>resemble it the
Whoops

>>121750631
They want to have this sense of progression for the mbts, getting faster and better armored as they go up in tier, but it just leaves the other classes in the dust. I don't know how they are going to fix it without doing a class rebalance, but as it is, higher tiers are mostly just mbts slugging it out with a few wiesels and bmd4's throwing in the mix.

>>121749730

MBTs aren't that durable IRL when faced up against actual properly utilized AT weapons, unless the ammunition/systems hitting them are just outdated compared to the tank, especially if those systems are hitting the thickest armor on the tank

even then talking about realism, gameplay should still take precident over the quasai-'realism' that games like this tend to have

>Get the ERC-90
>Have trouble damaging enemy MBTs, even with shots to the side using the highest level APFSDS ammo
>Fully aimed sniper shots do maybe 390 damage, a pitiful amount
>Constantly matched against literally impenetrable Tier 7 MBTs

At least the Dragoon and LAV were fun.

>>121753314

I know MBTs aren't invincible in real life, it's just that the general public seems to think they are, especially with how heavily America spins the "the Abrams is invincible" myth.
So most people will assume modern tanks are so advanced and so strong that nothing will go through them.

>>121753418
And this is the moment the serious issues with the game become very apparent. Once you begin to see t6 MBTs you are in for a world of pain.

>>121754019

>HEAT rounds are ineffective due to reactive armour
>AP rounds do pitiful damage (300 or so regular)
>Enemy spotters have 10,000 range and will spot you the moment you show your face and you will get slammed by artillery and Bagelpanzers

Send help.

>>121752620
i think if they made a few high tier maps which were much larger to accomodate the high tier AFVs having 800+ spotting ranges. the biggest problem is that AFV uses in the game are much smaller than in real life because of the lack of infantry which wont be added because muh rating. one of the (few) advantages WoT has is that most of the vehicles in the game were designed for tank vs tank combat as a high priority where as a lot of tanks in AW were designed to transport/support troops

>>121754402
>most of the vehicles in the game were designed for tank vs tank combat
That is still thrown out of the window thanks to the fact that WW2 shit sees postwar shit.

>>121750321
It really fucks up class balance. MBTs are effectively immune to lts and tds from the front. So sniping is impractical, gl hitting a cupola on a moving target from 500m for 1/3rd damage. If you manage to hit his side somehow, he'll just turn before you can reload and show you his front. And because you cant reliably pen anything at range, afvs spotting is mostly for intel, not because you expect your team to be able to damage them.

In wot, you get punished for not angling, for not going hull down, for shitty positioning, etc. In this game, an mbt can just drive into an open field and bounce 95% of the shots that aren't from another mbt. I don't think making the maps bigger would solve this issue. I think they should just nerf upper tier mbt lower plates across the board, and it would fix most of the issues.

>>121754402
I dont really think making the maps much larger addresses the real issue. The largest map in the game is also one of the worst.

>>121744520
grinded with the t-54 in pve
2ez

>>121757112
>>121755624

>MBTs buffed every patch ever

I bet by 2017 the MBTs will literally be invincible and just print Rep.

>>121757790
>the only way to damage mbts is to ram them
F U N
U
N

>>121758032

Or use a Bagelpanzer.

Seriously Bagels seem to remorselessly rape every match I see them in, especially in Squads

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>>121754402

>i think if they made a few high tier maps which were much larger to accomodate the high tier AFVs having 800+ spotting ranges. the biggest problem is that AFV uses in the game are much smaller than in real life because of the lack of infantry which wont be added because muh rating.

First off, literally no AFV in the game comes even close to 800m. Even if that's an exaggeration, only 1 AFV (soon 2) have supreme scouting abilities, while every other one is merely average for its class or just a bit better than any other class with its skills/retrofits specced for spotting.
Even if they could get 800m, the spotting cap is 530m.

Secondly, I'm relatively sure AFVs in this game are about as big as they would be in real life.
They only look comparatively small because some vehicles in the recon line really are that small. I'm taller than a Wiesel 1, and I'm just about 6 feet.

Really the problem is that every class, except MBTs, just get roughly the same vehicle as the previous tier, just with stats to compensate for it.
There's basically nothing that stops the BMD-2 from being a tier 8 tank, they'd just have to buff the hell out of its cannon, ATGM, and health. Point is, tier-wise, the BMD-4 and BMD-2 are more or less the same vehicle with a few minor differences here and there. Same applies for all other classes, again, except for MBTs.
MBTs get faster, get more view range, get much more health, get much more armor (autocannons can't keep up at all, for example) and better and better firepower.
An AFV doesn't get 2.15s acceleration at tier 6 and then 1.5s at tier 8. 2.15s is more or less their peak as far as acceleration goes. MBTs however do not have a limit as far as armor and mobility goes, because OE has to give MBT players some sense of progression... but for some reason, no other class is allowed to feel like they're getting better with each tier, rather than effectively having the same stats as 5 tiers ago.

>>121760031

Well we just got a Begleit equivalent at tier 9 and it looks like it's gonna be shit.

i feel like i fucked up getting the t-90 over the m1a1, those things are just shit stomping teams left and right.

What would minimum and maximum accuracy modifiers be best for?

>>121760954

>having trouble against M1A1's in a T-90
Don't worry, even if you can't shitstomp them (for whatever reason) then at least the T-90MS will be leagues better than the M1A2 which is only good for scouting.

so which clans are looking the best when clan wars comes out? ntr is pretty good right guys ?

>>121761061

If only it was a single M1A1 i had to deal with and not a platoon of them every game.

>>121721216
yes, we will join

I don't want to play with wot refugee

>>121752620
I thought higher tier tank destroyer were supposed to be able to still get the upper hand on MBT's, as per their role.

Is that not the case?

At what tier do TD's take a backseat to MBT's in their own primary role?

>>121761280

And a platoon of T-90s isn't equally fucking devastating?

>>121761117
>so which clans are looking the best when clan wars comes out
How would you even be able to tell that if you can't see a clan's members list and even if you could you won't be able to see their stats anytime soon because Obsidian is fucking retarded?

>>121761405

You didn't get the high-tier memo, did you?
LTs are better snipers than TDs.
AFVs are better flankers than TDs.
MBTs are better position holders than TDs.
SPGs have better range than TDs.

TDs take the backseat in any role starting at tier 6. Even at tier 8 the Stryker is not really good for anything.
Hell, the Stryker is probably the second worst tier 8. Only the Warrior is worse.

>>121760031
I'm talking about t7, t8, and to a lesser extent t6.

>>121760716
When everyone is an unkillable mbt, no one is. I don't get why they want mbt combat to just be cupola shooting and nothing else. It's annoying to play against and boring to play as. I played the xm1 pre nerf and it was very tedious, because nothing could do anything to you and shooting another xm1 or higher tier mbt usually devolved into shoot HE at their turret ring.

>>121761646
What the fuck is the purpose of the higher tier TD's then?

What is the purpose of the Draco with its fuck hueg turret?

>>121761971

>What the fuck is the purpose of the higher tier TD's then?
They're a mistake. They're effectively a grind trap, but then again so is every non-MBT in the long run.

>What is the purpose of the Draco with its fuck hueg turret?
Do give those people who want a tier 9 Begleitpanzer something to fawn over. Except it'll be shit, just like every other non-MBT.

>>121761971

DRACO was just a really stupid move on the developers part. Let's take an AA vehicle and make it an armored combatant...

>>121762084
>They're a mistake
So is playing a WoT clone sponsored by the T-90's manufacturer.

>>121761405
They are ok, but usually what happens is the mbts find the most brawl friendly area and duke it out, forcing you to fight closer. Under ~350m, they can spot you, and while you cant pen 95% of their front, they can pen you entirely. And even if you manage to get to 500+m, you aren't penning a t7 or t8 mbt frontally. So occasionally, you'll have a great game where everything goes perfectly and you manage to flank a poorly positioned team, but mostly you'll be picking up the scraps from whatever your mbts handled.

>>121761646
>LTs are better snipers than TDs.
lel, no. At least tds have pen and alpha

>>121762084
>They're effectively a grind trap

What about the Taifun II, I was thinking about buying it but how does it fair against higher tier MBT's at that stage?

>>121762234
>>121762132
Honestly I had hoped this game would be something different from the sort of shit we've seen devs pull with WoT and WT but it almost doesn't seem that way.

Still better than WT though, no one can out-jew Gaijin

>>121762234
no

>>121762549
Yes. Uralvatnikzavod vehicles will never ever ever get reasonable nerfs. And Obsidian set things up in a way that would completely justify that too, unlike WoT.

>>121762545
>What about the Taifun II
You don't have a turret, that should tell you all you need to know.

I only have enough free exp to skip one while I grind the other's ass in PVE
Starship vs Sheridan
which is it?

>>121762545
>Honestly I had hoped this game would be something different from the sort of shit we've seen devs pull with WoT and WT but it almost doesn't seem that way.
I dunno, some of the russian tanks, like the t8/t9 terminators aren't very good. I think they are trying to balance everything against each other, and keep anything from being too weak or too good. It's just that higher tier mbts are too good as a class, that everything else gets overshadowed.

everyone in a brit tank is a useless fuck

>>121763216

Well, what do you want? A light tank, or an MBT?
The Starship is being buffed soon, so I'd probably skip the Sheridan.

>>121763216
Probably skip the sheridan. I don't know how the starship is in pve, but since it cant be penned frontally by autocannons, I'd say thats a win.

>>121763437

>but since it cant be penned frontally by autocannons, I'd say thats a win
I wouldn't be too sure about that. But at least it resists autocannons better than the Sheridan, that's for sure.

>>121763216
>free exp to skip one

how do you get a substantial amount of that without premium/gold anyways?

>>121763695

Build the command center for your base. At level 5 you get 15% free rep out of all the rep you earn in every battle, which is ages better than WoT's capped 1% per battle.

>>121764101
Time to focus on that then

>>121763335
Im a mbt guy but I also play the bmds and scorpion. speed is addicting
>>121763695
I bought gold. I only have about 500 left enough to convert to free exp
>>121764101
I think it was 5%

>>121764304

Even if WoT's is 5%, 15% is still 3 times as much.

Does anyone have the link to the article on the official AW site about the upcoming changes to Tank Destroyers that they were planning?

They wrote about a major buff to TD's and new ability that would cause them to keep camo bonus even after firing in ambush

Can't find it now

>>121765869
Suppressive Fire.

http://armoredtalk.com/2015/10/28/td-suppressive-fire-tier-9-vehicles-in-armored-warfare/

>>121766356
Yeah thats the one, should be able to give TD's an edge against MBT's again in the high tiers I hope

>>121766490
>won't get spotted as easily
>still can't pen them

>>121766490

No, it won't. The ability comes with so many asterisks it's not even funny.

>you still lose camouflage while firing, just not as much
>you have to be stationary for 2 seconds before you can use it
>you only have 10 seconds to use the ability itself
>you have to be stationary or else the ability will deactivate and go on cooldown
>the cooldown is still 60 seconds
>TD base camouflage is still mediocre/shit
>TD firepower is still merely above average/mediocre

I mean it's better than nothing, but all this means is that AFVs actually have some competition in the "most useless class ability" department.

>>121766490
TDs need forward spotters and distance to play out their strengths. This ability already assume you are so close that you could be spotted. Since the maps are relatively small, in relation to the view and engagement ranges, that ability will be just a drop of water on a hot stone.

>>121766724

And before you ask for my source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMKuAZTcuSs;t=7m53s

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>>121766915
>>121766724
>>121766658
TD's do not deserve this

>>121764101
Not to mention that the more tanks you have the more free xp per battle you get.

>>121766724
All the activated abilities are worthless
>accelerate slightly faster in a straight line
>designate a target, so he knows to get into cover
>probably don't get spotted when shooting once a minute
And these are supposed to balance against mbts being moving fortresses

>>121767859

To be fair, the acceleration ability used to be MUCH better, but they probably stealth nerfed it recently because it's much worse than I remember.
Back in EA5 the Begleitpanzer could accelerate from 70 to 100 nearly instantly. In OBT, it barely reaches 80 and still takes just as long to accelerate to it as it would have if it had an 80km/h top speed anyway.
It feels like a total placebo now.

>>121767036
And that is why you should only play during events until the game gets unfucked. Or it dies.

>>121768051
That might explain it. I remember it feeling like your tank was cranking it up to 11, and now all its good for it going through water without slowing down.

>>121768413
shit, yeah

I remember it feeling like I suddenly had slapped solid rocket boosters to my tank

now it's like those air filters labelled "+25HP" at Autozone

>>121768862
I used to love pushing it, and now I just forget if exists half the time. Can't have nice things if you aren't an mbt I guess

What will convince mail.ru to unfuck their game? Bleeding players on EU/RU?

>>121769654
The only remaining semi-useful activated class ability is having 3 smoke grenades instead of one.

>>121773537
Designated fire isn't bad if you use it for making so that your target will stop firing for 25 seconds or so.

>>121773656
It still bugged though and sometimes hangs at 0.01 secs for no apparent reason.

>>121773813
Breaking LoS and firing, then trying to paint again while the bar hasn't completely cooled down causes that. Maybe some other stupid shit too.

>>121774028
>Maybe some other stupid shit too.

I was really hoping Obsidian wouldn't countinue the Wargaming tradition of not telling their users anything about how 90% of the game mechanics work.

But I guess that was simply asking for too much.

>>121773537
Well, it sure is a good thing they aren't taking that away on the thunderbolt
ayyyyyy

>>121774028
If you can't directly spot them it doesn't work either. So if they move, the camo drop lets you to spot them, then they stop and camo reasserts, it will hang. Even before they stop being spotted

>>121720937
how is it memes? I am the only guy in it and im not inviting anyone :^)

I really like this TD's are bad meme. It only makes the games easier for me because you get people thinking TD's are shit and they ignore the 800 dmg every 6 seconds. Thanks shitters.

>enemy stryker hits my t90 for 200 damage
>I blast him for 70p
:^)

>>121780464
Stupidly high dpm matters for jackshit if you can't pen or reliably hit.

-Napoleon

>>121781131
700*

hi everyone I set up the NA clan for awg it's called NTR pm me and ill set you up

ign: sixrocket
ts: ts.ntr.services

>>121781168
but i cant pen and reliably hit, i dont know what tank destroyer you played

>>121781504
>but i cant pen and reliably hit
Well then, it's agreed

>>121781504
*can

>>121780464
Ignoring tds is ignoring free damage.

what's a good retrofit for the scorpion? Chome barrel?

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>One example of the newer technology used on the vehicle is the development of an Active Suspension System derived from Formula 1 racing cars. With this new suspension, the CV90 Armadillo broke tank speed records by reaching 100 km/h at the highest velocity in battlefield terrain conditions.

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>The CV90 is currently operated by Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Norway and Switzerland. Other countries that have considered and evaluated the platform include the United Kingdom, Canada and the United States. The CV90 is also an excellent platform that has gained a good reputation so far and will probably be continuously upgraded in the future. It is slowly taking over the European market for IFVs, due to its versatility and cost efficient nature.

With a 120mm gun its basically what the XM8 was supposed to be so why the fuck hasn't the US military adopted this as a light tank from a reliable and proven platform yet?

>>121782127
Active suspension? is that like the stuff Williams had back in 91?

>use energy drink
>activates only after the match
wait what?

>>121782370
passive

>>121782405
so the sounds of opening a can is not a sign of activation then?
meh I dont even feel the effects. waste of $$

>>121782563
>so the sounds of opening a can

I dont have that, then again I only use an energy bar, and only on the M109 so I dont know

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>>121782605
obsidian sponsored me a lot of drinks. I had to try and use one

>>121782836
shit just pour that down the intake tube and make your tank run on electrolytes and galloons of suger

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>pen T90 from the front for 800
>pen T90 from the front for 800
>T90 has 500 health left
>pen T90 again only doing 490
>)))))cant let of finish T90, all tank deserve of second chance)))))
>T90 blasts me for 1500 dmg HEAT shell
ok game

>>121782836
>can sell the same ammo all at once
>can sell consumables only one by one
It makes no sense

swingfire is perfectly balanced

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>>121783007
>wiesel with 400 hp driving around
>hit it with the best HEAT shell from a T-90
>253 dmg
>it continues to circle and kill me
they should honestly change this feature, or remove it entirely

>>121782293
Weight 23–35 tonnes (Mk0 to MkIII)


Because it is nearly four tons heavier, at minimum, than the M8 AGS.

Good luck air dropping it.

Oh, and, not to mention: the engine is loud as fuck and putting a 105mm-120mm gun onto the platform increases the weight dramatically.

It's also wide.
Very wide.

>>121784753
Yo mama is wide too

>>121784092
The turret takes reduced damage. The t90 benefits from the same thing

>>121783508
yeah
and the worst part is that if you turn on auto-resupply, the game automatically re-buys the consumable even if there are tons of spares.

What is the serious NA clan if there is any? I just want to win games, not interested in memes and ERP.

>>121787646
One of the World of Tanks clans, honestly.
NTR is the /vg/ affiliated offering, currently, and this game's general can't field enough organized people non-WoT affiliated to make it's own, apparently.

PLSGO doesn't play much at all, they COMPLETELY died when WOT died.

So yeah, it's us. PZMOE as well, but that's /jp/ culture and a bit alienated from me personally.

>>121787817
Send an invite, nick is Vred

>>121787817

pzmoe is reddit, not /jp/.

although i suppose it's it's hard to tall the difference after moot murdered the board

What third retrofit for MBT-70? Using %dmg and %dmg/aim time.

Reload/moving accuracy or reload/aim time?

>>121784753
>loud
The CV9030 that I was ambushing sure as fuck was not loud. Granted that I had earpro on it was still fucking quiet.

>>121791368
Damage and accuracy
Go big or go home

>>121791368
damage/accuracy: make those AFV spill their spaghetti when you hit them with heat

>>121792495
>>121792735
sheiiit, I didnt even realise I had that

>>121792296
it can be quiet at low rpm but that engine fucking roars when you step on the gas

I really like what they did with the ammo in this game. No premium, different ammo for different tanks. I really hope this game kills WoT.

>>121793825
>there were people claiming the arty system in this game was more cancerous than wot

Patton ammo is bugged? Unlocked the last AP one and its not available.

>>121794048
>there were people that couldn't pay attention to the flashing signs on their screen warning them that arty was firing on them so they made up excuses for how bad they are at the game
fify

How to I move my camera instantly on arty? seems like I only pinging the minimap

>>121795412
You have to right-click on the map instead of left-click.

>>121795558
thanks m8

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>Shoot an ERC squarely in the ass.
>"No effect"
>Shoot again.
>"No effect"
>ERC turns his turret around and snapshots me, dealing 500 damage.

This is nice.

>>121794934
Does the patton have a gun upgrade and did you install it?

>>121795938
Yeah, that is what happened

Anti-personnel or anti-material on Juan Carlos José Diego Pablo "The Jalapeño" Miramón?

>>121784753

Well one thing both the M8 and the CV90 has in common is that they're better than what America currently has in their arsenal, and we can't have them be replaced by something better!

>>121796469
Always anti material (helps with taking tracks). Crew get a lot of saving throws.

>>121796756
I can understand the CVV90 because "muh American steel" but they have no excuses for the M8.

lol if you think efficacy has anything to do with weapons procurement

>>121797528

Yeah, cause we all know how great the Abrams, Bradley, and all Stryker variants are compared to their peers... right?

>>121795908
ERCs have really fucktarded armour. Just like that annoying spaced armour on the chieftain and even worse; the VFM.

Any point in using M113 or PT-76 after I've gotten those to renowned status? I mean, it gives rep, but don't have gold to transfer it anyway.

>>121797832
Unless you really really like playing them, no.

What retrofits for the swingfire? Full on reload and/or damage? Viewrange in the universal slot?

>>121798048
viewrange in universal, exp propellant and reload thingy

>>121798048
Optics, Propellant & Thermal sleeve.

Aim time, accuracy and normalization are pretty much useless.

unbelievable how this fucking game put me 10 times in a row with shitters killing themselves in the first 2 minutes of battle.

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Being VBL is suffering.

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>>121798298

Welcome to life. Enjoy your stay.
Now try to carry and try not to convince yourself it was your fault.

>>121797832
Daily Pve on easy if you are short on shekels

Why I keep seeing tier 6 in a tier 4?
NA dying or now isn't primetime or PVE?

>>121799325
+2/-2 matchmaking because NA is dead.

>>121799325
7:00am central on a Monday. No shit it isn't prime time. The only people pvping at this hour are chinks.

>>121799572

EU has +/-2 as well. Obsidian promised they'd implement +/-1 by the time OBT is released, but I guess they fooled us twice.

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What crew skills on fox? Also Freja or Sabrina?

>>121800126
Fox is a scout, not a brawler. Sabrina.
Go for acceleration on the driver. Rest is kinda irrelevant.

>>121782127
>PL-01 without plastic mock-up shit

Huh? What's the deal with M41 engine upgrade? Other vehicles in same tier have upgrades priced around 5-8k, that engine is 32k.

>unlocked BMD-2

Should i ? How is it compared to BMD-1 ?

>>121802262
remove spud gun replace with machine gun )

Cool, another 3 days of premium for a little half-assed effort.

https://aw.my.com/us/news/general/introducing-battalion-night-pentathlon

As this event promotes and rewards teamwork, all platoons participating in the event will receive 3 days of premium game time!

>>121802262
is of great depression

not sure what to get for an arty, 20% more module damage or a 5% faster reload. 5% isnt that much.

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>Finally get perseus to do the daily dosh and some juicy dubs
>Get capped by invisible or dead tanks
Nice stealth technology tovarish )))))))

>>121767859
>designate a target, so he knows to get into cover

desu its pretty fucking good to designate a target right before you blast it with atgms.

>>121804642
>aim at guy I am blasting away with autocannon
>cannot designate while blasting
>designation just reset after every shot
>cannot light him up while I light him up

USELESS
S
E
L
E
S
S

>>121804402

think about how often your target gets away with ~a second's margin

Is it worth getting advanced MRS on low pen tanks, like Begle, or Centaur?

>>121805209

No. It's only worth getting on tanks that can frontally pen MBTs. And only MBTs can really frontally pen each other reliably.

>>121805025
But im also thinking about the 4 modules I take out with a hit, could make it 8. Like when they can run away because it lost all driving functions.

>>121802262
It's pretty good, kind of hard getting used to the autocannon but once I got the hang of it I had a way easier time fighting other AFVs and flanking MBTs.

Why is the Starship so slow and bad at everything when it doent even have armor?

>>121806137
To make people mad and ditch the burger line

>>121806137

historical accuracy

>>121806137

MBTs must pay the price of being game breaking at high tiers by sucking at low tiers.

>>121806298
But the other tanks in the line were good.

>>121802417
>>121803337
>>121805901

Welp time to grind Freja for the autocannon

>>121806137
Starship is secretly the best peekaboom tank in the game. The devs say to brawl with it... ignore that until the endgame. Spend 90% of the time hiding behind large solid cover, and pop out to smackdown targets of opportunity, hell you can even snipe with it well enough, the spread is only 15, so it's enough to get the job done.

>>121807045

>the spread is only 15, so it's enough to get the job done.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh?
You can turn the Starship into an even better sniper by just having a level 2 gunner and the accuracy retrofit from the Leopard 1. You even get a 10% accuracy boost on the tank itself.

20% (Sure Start accuracy boost) + 4% (gunner skill, level 2) + 10% (Chrome Barrel Lining retrofit) + 10% (on the Starship itself) = 44% better accuracy for simplicity's sake.
0.15 (base accuracy x 0.56 (accuracy modifiers) = 0.084, or 0.08 rounded down.
Bam, now you can snipe as well as tank destroyers, if not better.

>>121807630
>Not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh?

oh the ironing

>>121807630

You can make it even more accurate by getting a higher mark of that retrofit, or getting the other accuracy retrofit from the Ariete, and you can get commander accuracy skills, and you can level your gunner up to level 5.
You can probably squash it all the way down to 0.03 if you really want to.

>>121807630
I was talking about the base tank itself without retrofits. With retrofits it becomes a monster and you can accurately 2-shot a lot of opponents in PvP (and even more after the next patch thanks to HEAT alpha buff).

>>121807885

Fair enough. Still, it should go without saying that if your accuracy is ever 0.15 on the Starship (even when stock) then you fucked up horribly.

>>121807974

"you can stack modifiers" ain't exactly a brilliant new insight

why is every tier 7-8 match on NA 8v8 or 9v9
I don't want to play fucking pve

>>121809502
burgers dont care about tank games

>>121809502

Because Ameripals don't give a shit about tank games. The same thing applies on WoT NA and WT NA.
Russia always has the biggest playerbase and Europe has the second biggest. Jump servers or live with it.

>>121809984
I actually tried changing server to europe but stuck on authenticating

Aim speed or accuracy for freja (BMPs)

>>121811524
Aim speed for less exposure when peeking

>>121800690
Looks even better too

This game is going to die so fast

>>121815592
Theres no reason for it to. Its also being developed by a good company.

>>121815667
A good company that prefer to add more content instead of polishing and optimizing what they have.

>>121815984
The game is in open beta, not even eternal open beta, Its been in open beta for a matter of weeks. They have not even finished the launch content.

>>121816634
They haven't done jack fucking shit in terms of polishing since EA1

>>121817313
They were building a game and the game is still incomplete. You dont polish an unfinished project.

>>121816634

the game is launched. i can tell from how they let me give them money and in exchange they give me pretend tanks

>terminator
>impenetrable hull
>turret takes half damage
why

>>121818002

Literally all it's good for is killing AFVs and TDs.

>new tank game
>more awful matchmaking
Oh, good. I like familiarity.

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this thing is great for PVE


in PVP, it's alright I guess. maybe I just haven't got it

>>121818239
You won't believe how many retarded AFVs decided to brawl with terminator

>>121819064
The enemy spawn system in PVE is balls. Tanks spawning right next to you all the time. Other than that is is pretty fun.

>>121820313
Memorize spawns, also tell your team not to cap if you are in the middle of one

>>121820307

Oh, I know myself. I have a Ramka and it decimates AFVs.
Here's the thing though: no rational AFV player (which admittedly a lot of players aren't) are going to willingly fight a Ramka/Terminator.
And like I said, if your target is anything except for a TD/AFV, you're gimped so fucking hard by your lack of camouflage and usable armor and a shit autocannon that it makes me wish I was in the BMD-4 more times than not.

>>121820313
I really don't understand why they don't implement a dynamic spawning system where they only spawn out of LoS. It's not that hard to do.

>>121818421
>amerifat

>>121820313
learn where they spawn, duh

>>121820623
I swear some people do cap to get you killed, so they can farm more damage

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>>121820817

actually we mostly just do it to get your bitch ass killed

should add to the pastebin that you gain an energy drink daily PVE, it gives you 10% crew for 1 game or 10k bucks