[Watch Thread] /awg/ - Armored Warfare General

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first for MBTs

>>121993147

Challenger 2 is slow.

So what's the truth about arty in this game?
So far I've only experienced them on the receiving end, being plinked and missed away for 40-400 damage.

Can you actually help your team with arty or is it a containment class for all the wankers?

>>121994323

that's ok, so are the guys who drive it

>>121994368
pure support

just like those healslut in mmo

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Sometimes the game just give you 10 shitty suicidal teams in a row, right? It must happen to everyone. Tell me everything is going to be ok /awg/

>>121994368
Think about if your tank had topdown mode, camera only. Now you only do explosive damage and your reload is twice as long and you do less damage.

Thats artillery currently.

>>121994368

complete and utter garbage

>>121994417
Two t4 matches in the zhalo last night in a row that were losses with me getting almost 5000 damage in each.
That's the price of the MM, the better you are, the worse everyone else is to compensate.

>>121994368
>Can you actually help your team with arty

Only if you coordinate with the other arty. Playing against an arty platoon as top tier mbt is horrible on certain maps.

>>121994556
>That's the price of the MM, the better you are, the worse everyone else is to compensate.

What do you mean? Is there skill based MM?

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>Running mission in my T-64
>get to last defense spot.
>Only person stopping the tanks from capping.
>Getting shot in the ass, face and sides.
>finally get them all in front of me.
>18 kills later
>Team still never showed up

Russian bias international now, even Americans are doing it.

>>121995249
>pve

big whoop

Why do I have the T-62 vet? I did not enter any contests.

>>121995410
veteran day, free for all

>>121995354
Go do it in a QF-40 then.

>>121995509
Then why are there contests and codes for it if everyone is getting one?

>>121995589
to get it early few days ago

>>121995672

well then lol

>>121995672
Camo looks nice. When is Obsidian going to offer me camo so I can give them my money?

cool camo
meh tank

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How does the normalization retrofit work?

5% on the first tier is pretty laughable if it's actually 5%.
AP has 5°;
5°x1.05=5.25°;
At tier 3 the retrofit gives you 7.50%:
5°x1.075=5.375°

Taking the values in pic related for the upper frontal plate and applying the formula some nerd wrote up here:
https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?880-Overpowered-Tanks&p=15298&viewfull=1#post15298

[effective armor]=142mm/sin(x)
with x = 22° (no normalization) the effective armor is 379 mm.
with x = 27° (default normalization of AP round) the effictive armor is 312.8 mm.
with x = 27.375 (tier 3 retrofit) the effective armor is 308.8 mm.

You get a whopping effective armor reduction of
4 mm
compared to no retrofit if shooting at the upper frontal plate of a T-64 with AP.

This can't be true, can it? Please tell me I made a mistake somwhere.

>>121997156
I think it just straight up adds those % to your normalization

question:
does the T-62 you get for free count to shishikin stuff or it now just sitting in my garage looking painted?

>>121997369
Does it have shitskin logo behind itself on the bar?
No?
Then it's the same as the 430.
Jack shit.

>>121997362
If that's true the tier 3 retrofit gives you an effective armor reduction of respectable 62 mm.

>>121997443
well fucking dongballs

>>121997479
And still not many people will actually pick it IF it does it that way
I wonder if you actually get HEAT normalization because of it

>>121997362
>add 5% to °
>not *1,05

wat

on the topic of normalization, what values does the game use anyway? 5° for all AP rounds? more for APDS shells? less?

>>121997663
normalization is 5 degrees for AP shells (none for other types)

>>121997663
Not sure honestly.
I wish wiki ACTUALLY HAD SOME FUCKING INFO

http://armoredtalk.com/2015/11/11/polish-vehicles-coming-to-armored-warfare-announced-this-polish-independence-day/

>>121997982
>polish indepenence

implying that's a real thing natokeks

>>121997567
only ap has normalization

someone please explain why the PG-19 HEAT shell when fired from the 2A28 gun in the BMD-1 does 309 damage with 192 pen while the PG-19 HEAT shell when fired from the 2A28 gun in the BMP-1 does 313 damage with 187 pen

what the fuck obsidian.

>>121998432
You see comrade, crew in BMP is always drunk so they pour Vodka over HEAT shell everytime, which makes the shell go big kaboom, hahaha.
And also comrade, the crew in BMD is always in gym and training to be as bear. So they press firing button harder, which makes shell go faster and also shells for some reason also get fit in process which makes them bigger but leaner so they penetrate further bug have not so much kaboom. )))

>>121997156
>>121997663

AP has 5 degrees normalization.
The retrofit adds 2 degrees as a flat bonus with its Mk. 1 and 3 degrees at Mk. 3.
So with Mk. 3, AP has 8 degrees of normalization.

>>121999565

so the tooltip is just completely wrong? well, i can't say i'm surprised

>>121999565
so is it worth it to forgoe damage for normalisation if you want to more consistent damage without having to pinpoint aim?

>>122000293

No.

>>122000293
The 3° extra normalisation equals to roughly 9% of effective armor decrease.

>>122000481

uh, that depends entirely on the AOI

>>121997982
>OT-64 SKOT
Why?
It's armed with a 14.5 machinegun.
>BWP-1M Puma
Oh boy, i'm so exicited to play BMP-1 again.
And early chink tanks will be mirror clones of soviet tanks, yay!

>>122003382
>It's armed with a 14.5 machinegun.

pretty much every low-tier vehicle only has 10 mm or is a MBT anyway

>>122003652
isn't it the lowest calibre atm is 20mm?
playing amx and few others with similar calibres is suffering.

>>122003382
>And early chink tanks will be mirror clones of soviet tanks, yay!

look this is the CW. there's the NATO-pattern MBT and the Soviet-pattern MBT. both are available under many different marques and model numbers

So the veteran T-62 is the exact same as the regular one?

what's the point, is it just a camo paint preview?

>>122003961
>isn't it the lowest calibre atm is 20mm?

i think so but the 14,5 should still be capable of shooting up almost every tank it'll see that would also be vulnerable to the 20 mm, although it'll probably be pickier about angles and hard spots

the only real problem for it i can think off of-hand is the front armor on the AMX-10P and W-B

>>122004214
a m113 can bounce shots from it's own 20mm fairly reliably with a bit of angling if I remember right

>>122004418
Only if the guy shooting at you is an idiot, but yeah

>>122004114
i heard the visibility value is worse lol.
>>122004214
>i think so but the 14,5 should still be capable of shooting up almost every tank it'll see that would also be vulnerable to the 20 mm
no way, amx already has much better chance at penetrating a side armore of mbt just becouse it has 81 pen and other apc with 20mm has only 75.
14.5 will have 60 pen at most. they will probably add powerful ATGM and put in on level 3.

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>#yolo suicide swingfire
>leopard shooting at team mates
>half the team vaporized in 3 minutes
>it keeps happening

Kinda reminds me of WoT playerbase

>>122004114
It's a normal T-62 with camo paint job, not that i'm complaining

>>122005016
Im enjoying it. I love free gifts and its nice when its not a flamming pile of shit like the tanks Wargaming gives you.

When does PvP get good?
ATM I'm just playing PvE because I can carry but the same missions get boring quickly.

Also, MBTs seem a bit OP at tier 4 and 5. Do the classes balance out at high tiers?

>>122006896
>Do the classes balance out at high tiers?

ha ha no
If anything tier 1-4 are the most balanced match right now.

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>ran out of ATGMS

The Crab needs more than 30.

It needs so much more than 30.

>>122007098
Oh. I was worried that this might be the case.

Do you think I should get a couple of high tier MBTs and take advantage of the current meta, or grind out all the tier 4s and hope for future balances?

>>122006896
>When does PvP get good?
when you git gud.
>Also, MBTs seem a bit OP at tier 4 and 5
Not in PvP. They are blind and can be penetrated even from the front if you know where to shoot. Not to mention most MBT players are dumb.

>>122007407
Ok, I am still new at this game, but it feels like enemy TDs can't pen me unless they get close enough for me to spot them and hit them back twice as hard...same for enemy LTs and AFVs.
The only thing I am scared of are ATGMs and chip damage from arty, both of which you can dodge.

Do you feel like this too?

>>122008174
TDs are indeed not as effective as ATGMs on long ranges, simply becouse ATGMs are much more accurate and can penetrate a lot more. Vechicles without ATGMs pretty much make most of their damage by targeting other soft targets or flanking MBTs. Anyway, that doesn't makes MBTs OP becouse their vision sucks so hard.

>>122008174
>The only thing I am scared of are ATGMs and chip damage from arty, both of which you can dodge.
And no, you can't dodge that shit if enemy is skillful enough. Arty will predict your next move(usually it's reversing if you are idle) and ATGM will keep his rocket in sky for half of the duration of flight to make your warning sign appear too late.

>>122009045
>ATGM will keep his rocket in sky for half of the duration of flight to make your warning sign appear too late.
doubt that works, the warning is in a huge radius.

>Freya will be reasigned to swingfire for unlocking
>I just sold my swingfire just to please my physical pain from playing it

JUST

>>122009350

owned

>>122009194
it works, you have to shoot it very high into the sky and then quickly point to target. penetration is very decent so bad angle is not a problem.

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>>122009350
>selling your tanks.
>still thinks this is WoT

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>>122009596
>selling tanks in WOT

>>122009045
I think this is the main problem with AW atm...the playerbase is not skilled enough for proper engagements yet.

Hopefully it gets better in time. I like tank video games, but WG and Gaijin have been hateful to the players lately

Is this game balanced?
How are the graphics and effects compared to War thunder?
Is it actually fun?

>>122010638
More fun than WT for sure. More arcade feel, but still with the feeling of driving tanks

>>122010638
Better than WoT. Arty isn't one-hit KO. Playerbase seems to not be as retarded as WoT but that might just be a question of time. They're not jewing as hard as WT or WoT. Graphics are okay. Nothing too great. Some maps need improvements optimisation wise.

>>122010638
Balance is a bit wobbly right now. Lower tiers feel pretty even but tiers 6 and up seem skewed towards main battle tanks.
Graphics is worse than WT at the moment to be honest, but it runs on the Cryengine and there's still a lot of time to get better.
Personally I'm having a blast going 90mph and doing wheelies and drifts with my VBL.

>>121999565
See, this is the kind of shit that should go in the pastebin.

>>121993147

Quick Draw or Sure Start for an SPG gunner skill?

>>122012571
quickdraw

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>Entire match carried by both arties, a zhalo and swingfire
Damn it feels good

if i retrain my crew do i have to level them up from lvl1 or just reassign the skill?

>>122014367
15% current experience penalty.

>>122013775
Swingfire is excellent late game if your team is focused on defense.
It can hold certain areas on most maps with relative ease, because almost always, it's a handful of MBTs that are left on the other team. It fucking sucks when you have to actively chase down you enemies though.

>>122014640
Our was simply scouting the two remaining MBT's on the end, one was capping, got to 50, and then got two shelled.
The last one was AFK, and ol'swingy got him with my help.

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D E D
E
D

>>122009350
>Freya will be reasigned to swingfire for unlocking
>I have just started playing the XM800

Feels good mang

>>122009350
>>Freya will be reasigned to swingfire for unlocking

ETA?

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tiny tonk

>>122019370
Supposedly next week.

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>>122009350
>Juan will be reassigned to BMD-1 for unlocking
>I have a BMD-1 with 16k exp sitting in my garage

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>>122020905
>mfw my BMD-1 is just ready and waiting for this
>inb4 new commanders on the SPG's that are dedicated SPG commanders
lvl 1-Bonus acceleration after shooting
lvl 2-Faster HE shell travel time/Faster ammo type switching
lvl 3-Turret rotation speed bonus
lvl 4-Module damage/Crew damage
lvl 5-Doesn't get map pinged after 1st shot from that position

R8

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>spg pvp queue


MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHH!!!!

>>122022453
>SPG commanders get moved
>SPG queue suddenly gets empty
>Only people who know how2spg remain
the horror

>>122021408
>no aimtime reduction
>no increased chance of fire
>no +crew damage after knocking out a module

Nigga please

>>122027694
Well, I'm not very good at coming up with that shit.
AND as if Obsidian was listening to shit we write here.

Commander on Akatsiya
lvl 1: Reload reduced by 10% for 15 seconds whenever you deal damage with HE
lvl 2: Carry 50% more support shells or increase radius of their effectiveness by 25%
lvl 3: Whenever you fire, your next shot within 4 seconds does not ping the enemy's map
lvl 4: 10% aim time or 10% accuracy
lvl 5: Whenever you deal damage with HE, aim time decreases by 10% for 6 seconds (stacking)

Commander on Palmaria
lvl 1: Reload reduced by 10% for 15 seconds whenever you deal damage with HE
lvl 2: Carry 50% more support shells or increase radius of their effectiveness by 25%
lvl 3: Increase splash damage by 10%
lvl 4: 10% aim time or 10% accuracy
lvl 5: If you have not moved your hull in the last 5 seconds, increase accuracy and shell speed by 10%

Only usable by artillery

>>122029710
Additionally there could be a skill:

Increase duration of smoke rounds by 25% or increase duration of illumination rounds by 10%

>>122029710
>actually moving them to T6 instead of T4
pls no

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>>122029710
>Whenever you fire, your next shot within 4 seconds does not ping the enemy's map
I presume the Akatsiya has an ammo drum?
I'm only at t4 now

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>>122030332
Yes the problem is that the drum magazine offers only marginally more damage than a single shot while exposing you for much longer. Not only that but it pings the map three times, and if you're in the same position firing for 3 shots the pings get consecutively smaller until they point out your exact position.

Paladin gets ~450 damage on a 12 second reload, during which it can relocate, making it very easy to be outputting its full damage without getting counterbatteried.

Compare this to the PzH2000 which gets ~250 a shot for 3 shots with 3 second interdrum and ~16 second drum reload.

It has to stay in position for 6 seconds to fully drum out during which an enemy can easily aim in all the way and drop shells on you (Paladin deals 750 if it HE pens which happens all too often against arty). This means that in order to avoid being counterbatteried the PzH 2000 must not utilize its full DPM effectively, while the Paladin can.

Also if you compare the stat cards the Paladin has more DPM in the first place.

A skill that would reduce pings on consecutive shots would be nice as it would make it more capable of utilizing the damage its given. Of course you would still be drawn while firing so the drawback is still there.

I think artillery commanders/crew skills should be centered around utilizing support shells and less about the actual damage anyway.

>>122031205
Hm, thanks for info, now I know which line to play.

Starship is literally the worst fucking tank in the game.

Why the fuck is an engineering vehicle in the Main Battle Tank line anyways.

>M60
>spotted instantly out of spawn by a suicidal BMP-2
>instantly hit by 5 ATGM's from a Swingfire platoon and several Starships
>ded

fun game

>>122009350

A cute commander for a cute vehicle!

Get gud faggot Swingfire is best scout.

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>>122041038

>>122041038
>>122043581

おっそ~い

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>>122045860

W H E N

>>122045972

When the third dealer is added.

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>>122047060
Apparently they chose to go with China over Japan/SK for that

So enjoy the same commie vehicles the Russkis already have in the game only slightly different

gg Obsidian

When are they gonna fix the bugged supply truck on Stormy Winter

When the fuck is Obshitian going to get off their ass and fix the fucking shot delay. Autocannons need to lead targets be a couple of times the tanks length at mid range sometimes. Absolutely fucking ridiculous.

>>122049391

There's no way to fix the shot delay. It's either that or ghost shells, especially with autocannons.
When you fire in the client, the server just recieved the information that you are firing and then your shots start leaving the barrel.
If you make it so the shots synch up with the client (aka make both the action and the firing client side) then you'll experience tons of ghost shells. Since you'll be aiming at a target and it LOOKS like you're hitting them, but in reality your shells are only hitting the target client-side, you end up with a system worse than the current one.

Yeah, shot delay is in every match, but you can learn it and aim accordingly. You can't get around ghost shells in WoT when they're both client-side but the calculation is done server-side.

tl;dr: there's no way to fix it, get used to it

>BMP depression is so bad it literally can't shoot a tank that's right next to it
W E W

>>122050437

Ho boy, you have no idea how much worse it is in the Ramka!
>more or less literally the same tank as the Terminator
>less gun depression
>if you're 1m or closer to your target, it's impossible to hit them

>>122050154
I'd rather have a ghost shell once in a blue moon than crippling shot delay on every fucking shot

If wargaming can manage to not have shot delay that's horribly egregious then there's no excuse for obsidian considering the horrible amount of propaganda they shovel into the forums

>>122049391

I've never noticed this.

Even knowing it exists, I don't notice it.

>>122050658

I'm not saying Obsidian themselves are faultless, they seriously need to patch up the netcode as I've seen plenty of teleporting tanks, random rubberbanding, and of course server stuttering.
Though keep in mind tanks move MUCH faster in AW so you have to lead more. And there's many more tanks that have salvos and those salvos are much bigger compared to WoT.
And all that means I personally would rather have a delay I could get used to than be given an all smiles client-side then told to fuck off when the server tells me half my autocannon salvo did nothing.

>>122050901
You didn't notice having to lead targets at point blank range? Or did you think that was normal? WoT ammo moves even slower and it's far far less leading involved even against LTs.

>>122051047

Haven't noticed.

If anything, some shots I'd expect to fall behind actually hit.

>>122051047

>WoT ammo moves even slower and it's far far less leading involved even against LTs.
Only at low tiers. At high tiers, AP shells fly only slightly slower or faster than AW's.
APCR almost always flies faster than AW's AP, HEAT almost always flies faster too. The main difference is tanks move slower in WoT meaning less leading is required and the average engagement range is also shorter in WoT.

As far as leading goes between both games, AW requires MUCH more of it than WoT does, so the only ghost shells you really see are against fast tanks at medium-long range while in AW you have the shot delay so your shells are consistently delayed across all ranges but means you won't see any ghost shells.

>>122051423
Except there are ghost shells in the game anyway.

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>>122051423
Someone hasn't been playing AFVs I see

>>122051742

I'm not saying they don't exist, I've just never seen any cases of shells hitting the enemy client-side but not dealing any damage server-side.

>>122051906

I've never really experienced that. Might just be because I aim for the rear.
The most annoying thing I've seen happen is when 2 AFVs side hug while on the move and since they're aiming for each other at point blank but also moving, none of their shells hit each other.

How the hell do you use the Leo

not enough camo to be a sniper, and barely enough armor to be considered an MBT

>>122054992

Is that the Dragoon's 90 mm on a Scorpion?

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>>122056134
Yes

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man seeing early alpha videos of AW I'm so glad they made all those GUI changes that we see in the open beta

also, camo nets when

>>122047251
no, there are more than one mbt line per dealer

>>122060070
Yes and third dealer will be China, Poland, Scandinavia

>>122047251
>Apparently they chose to go with China over Japan/SK for that
>DERE WILL NEBBER B A 4TH DEELER

>>122060289
poland and sweeden only ifv

>>122060512
You know nothing, Jon Snow.

China, PL/CZ, Sweden 3rd Dealer.
SK 4th "Specialty" Dealer.

>>122060456
They will add Japanese branch as a premium tonk and sell it for a cheap price of 89.9$

Source: my father works for obsidian

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>>122060775
>SK 4th "Specialty" Dealer.

>No JGSDF

Unforgivaburr

>first engagement of the game
>everyones FPS suddenly goes to 1 for a solid 15 seconds
>it stops
>10 people just stuck in the middle of open fields/stuck on rocks that just immediately get raped as soon as everyone else can aim again

what the fuck was that

>>122031205
Frankly, I would expect them both to get adjusted, they're just finicky about arty right now.

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>tier 5 in a medium mission

>>122060775
They didn't mention about 4th will be specialty dealer. Only some vehicles will be in specialty dealer.

>>122063558
It's not even that bad unless you're driving a tier 3 or the starshit.

>>122032112
>Why the fuck is an engineering vehicle in the Main Battle Tank line anyways.
It's not an engineering vehicle.

Is it me or the reload bug seems to happen only with the first ammo slot?

HOW TO RETROFITS:

Firepower >>> Armor >>>>> Technology > Mobility

Firepower:
>Aim Time >>> Damage > Reload > Accuracy > Moving Accuracy
Unless you have autocannons in which case
>Damage > All
Armor:
>Internal Hull Reinforcement > The rest
Technology:
>View Range > Crew Skills since view range is becoming a flat bonus after 0.11
Mobility:
>Acceleration I guess if you absolutely need to?

>>122047352
I played that tonight, it worked. Yes it was the one NW of the final cap.

>>122061145
>>122060775
>>122060289
What does Poland, China, Japan and South Korea add to the game that the game dosen't already have other than to please their respective nationals (for japan probably more fucking weaboos)

>>122068016
>Damage
Mercyrolls tovarish ))))

>Reload
8% reload bonus cap tovarish )))))))))))

The rest entirely depends on the tank. You want moving accuracy on brawlers, accuracy on anything that isn't a pure brawler, and aim time on both unless you're a brawler and already have really good moving acc. There's also to take in consideration that shots fired when the cannon isn't completely stabilized consistently puts the shells at the border of the dispersion circle.

>bothering with view range on blind shit like the OF-40, soviet shit or arty
>not minmaxing especially considering that AW doesn't have camo skill save for Sabrina (and fuck Obsidian for that)

>>122070024
>Japan and South Korea
Nippon sutiru tanks have noice depression and hydraulic suspensions, the K-2 Black Panther if properly implemented would be borderline Merkava broken.

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Counter-battery shouldn't let you see the enemy SPG. It should just highlight the spot they shot from.

>>122074472
Fuck off

Since when can you accelerate a vehicle's progression by clicking on the bar?

>>122074995
since early access

>>122074559
I like you too, anon

Jesus christ the Leo2 is utter garbage.

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>tfw you have to finish off the rest of the enemy team by yourself

>>122078710
Why'd you remove your name, Cauldronborn? Are you scared /vg/ boogeymen will descend upon you?

>>122079037
Trying to prevent a shitstorm from world of tanks general from spilling into this general, but I guess that's what you want.

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>>122080117
Oh. Didn't think you actually had /vg/ boogeymen after you. We're alike, you and I.

Lmao permanently muted

now I know why its called the starshit
the ride has only just begun

>>122074472

Any vehicle that fires becomes visible.

>>122084848
I suggest playing it exclusively until you are finished with it. I find that playing good tanks like the germans or the soviets makes playing that tank even harder because you will have higher expectations. It also plays completely different than those, as its a slow piece of crap yet has no armor. So it drives like the T-64 and has to hide like the Leopard. Thankfully the gun has high alpha damage so you can maximize your hiding.

>>122068016
That is too general. Retrofits should be fitted based on a vehicles strengths. For scouts, view range and acceleration is pretty much mandatory.
For TDs, it's the same at least as far as t5.
For LTs, you want to not play them at all.
For MBTs, max out firepower as much as possible, doesn't really matter what you get after that apart from more HP.
SPGs just need firepower. Literally nothing else matters to them apart from maybe acceleration which you can't get because you need to use that universal slot for firepower.

>>122084848
The starship is maybe the best T4 MBT, no joke. You just have to be crazy careful about when you move out of cover.

>>122087414
> For scouts, view range and acceleration is pretty much mandatory

I don't know about that mang. I do almost as much avarage damage in scouts as in mbts. Especially with atgms its retardedly easy to get 2k+ within the first 3-5 mins of the game in a scout.

>>122087502
>playing Starshit™
>fuckhueg tumor get penetrated by autocannon
>can't even snipe from behind because no camo

Meanwhile T-64 can hulldown and spam 450 damage HEAT with impunity

>>122088251
>Play Sheridan
>Basically everything but SPG's outDPM's you at your tier
>Hell, even some T3's can outDPM you
A-at least it gets better down the line.

>OE poking fun at Wargoyming's e-100
lel

>>122089031
OE claims that a m113 can destroy an e-00
https://aw.my.com/us/news/general/e-100-versus-m113-echoes-past

>>122089361
Sounds about right. Not only that the E100 couldn't spot the M113 while already being lit up lie a Christmas tree on their sensors, the firing systems are horribly inferior, too.

>>122003382
BWP-1M might be funny depending on which version you get. 25mm autocannon plus dual ATGMs and smoke launchers on a BMP-1 platform should be funny.

>>122089361
A cold war era vehicle could beat an impractical prototype designed 20 years before! In other news, water is wet.

>>122093968
They're basically just bullying wg at this point.

>>122094139
It's funny cause WG poked fun at OE first which pretty much gave AW free publicity. We can into marketing tovarish :)))))

>>122088326
Sheridan doesnt need high dpm when it has high alpha per shot. Just peek shoot and reload somewhere else. Easy as fuck to get high damage games

patch when

I'm about to buy leo1a5 and t-72

>play high tiers
>it's the same 20 people shuffled every game

>>122094772
5 days

I've heard at every turn the LAV 600 is fucking awful but what about its brother the Centauro 120?

>>122084546
What did you do?

>>122052107
I actually see it AW about as much as I've seen it in WoT.

>>122089361
>403 forbidden
Are you serious?

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>>122089361
>>122101498
Also, proofs.

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>>122051742
different case of ghost shells

its all about those collision/wall on AW

>>122101498
no bully

>>122101670
>>122101498
back up proofs
http://armoredtalk.com/2015/11/12/what-would-happen-if-an-m113-came-across-an-e-100-armored-warfare-explains/

>>122101843
Thanks tovarish ))))

>>122095176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvRGh2NEjSU

>>122101714
No, it happens out in the open without any environment interference. There's a webm someone here made showing an ATGM passing through another vehicle.

Is the M60A1 a breath of fresh air after the Starshit?

>>122104816
*A3
No.

>>122104816
it feels very average in every way

>>122105063
>average
Except for the lolnopen gun and weak damage. And thin armour. And slow speed.

>>122105213
still the best tier 5 mbt.

>>122105714
The T-72 would utterly shit on it if it weren't for the bugged turret.

>>122107564
i doubt it. assuming the turret is fixed the gun remains a piece of shit and it has the lfp weakness of all t-series tanks without the mobility of the t-80/t-90 to hide it effectively.

>>122107564
Bugged turret?

>>122105714
>this is what amerifats actually believe

>>122107959
>this is what 1960's amerifat propaganda coldwar troop morale videos indoctrinated
>"The M60 is more comfortable and better than the T72, really guys."

>>122108054
>comparing real tanks to tanks in arcade games
senpai...

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please help leo1s are ruining my pve

>>122107959
The gun isn't half bad, on paper the armor is as good as the T-64 and it's slightly more mobile than it.

>>122107978
The turret armor layout is bugged. Some spots take full damage from HE.

>>122108310
Please do not bully leo1s they are trying their hardest

>>122108310
Try platooning oh wait nobody gives a fuck about the clan chat.

>Get 2nd ATGM for Sheridan
>Literally the same shit except -1 damage and +11mm penetration
>Costs 30 bucks more
Why

>>122108054
>/k/ autism: the shitpost

>>122108317
>The gun isn't half bad, on paper the armor is as good as the T-64 and it's slightly more mobile than it.

it isn't half bad when rng is in your favor. oe has their heads up their asses giving high alpha guns such fucking shit accuracy.

i ground the t-72 entirely in pvp (72a too) and the number one problem those two tanks have is consistency; which comes back to the gun and the armor.

>>122109143
>oe has their heads up their asses giving high alpha guns such fucking shit accuracy.
Chrome lined barrel and Juan. Bang, problem solved.

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>>122108310
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>122109557
>PVE
>139 damage
How

how

>>122109557
Carry harder, pekka.

>>122109864
That's xp, dumbass.

>>122109864
That was participation XP, you can clearly see he did NO damage.

>>122109916
At least I didn't lose a pve match, kukk

>>122109379
>grind this other shit to make the shit you're grinding less shit

this is what i did. if anything it says how inconsistent the 72/72a is.

as an aside, why do people prioritize pure damage over accuracy? reload has a cap and so does damage (in mercy rolls) so what is the point?

>>122110267
Accuracy isn't really an issue, shots seem to hit dead center most of the time if you're fully aimed in

>>122110267
That's more like turning that shit from average to the least shit in its tier.

>why do people prioritize pure damage over accuracy
People are retarded. You should've realized that by know if you lurked WoTg and took note of their completely goddamn awful choices of crew perks, such as prioritizing repairs on mediums, picking sixth sense when the commander is at 0%, bothering with BIA on anything that isn't an arty, etc.

>>122110453
>if you're fully aimed in
At long really long distances you get shots that stray off more often, not like the T-72 is supposed to snipe anyway.

>BMD-2 engine costs 640k
the fuck now

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Neat.

>>122112124
that matchmaking is spookier than the skull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z7Iq0Jp7Q

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING
GOYTHUNDER IS FINISHED
WG CEOS ARE PROBABLY SMACKING THEIR TESTICLES

>>122112960
Why should we care?

>>122112960
Wait, didn't Gaijin make IL-2?

>>122112960
neat

>>122113151
Even more WG butthurt and damage control (also possibly in the form of patches and events) which will in turn force Obsidian/vatnik.ru to push shit out faster. In other words, it's really good news.

>>122113430
Fuck no, they only made Birds of Prey, which is console shit, and what Warthunder is based on.
IL-2 is/was developed by Oleg Maddox/1C, and now by the Rise of Flight folks.

>>122113679
Why would Obsidian be threatened by yet another WW2 tank game?

>>122112960
Wow, remember all those resounding financial success stories about full on tank combat simulators? I don't, because there are none.

and it really fucking pisses me off

>>122114727
Because Wargaming will make efforts into trying not to lose a chunk of its playerbase, and Obsidian will have to make up for the more frequent WoT patches. Also if the previous stuff they made is anything to go by that'd be a sim.

>>122114942
I think that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Steel Beasts was ridiculously expensive. Moreover this will definitely have a seizable playerbase, thanks to "WW2 tank culture" and hopefully the fact it won't be freemium shite.

To clarify:

Improving Minimum Accuracy makes you be aimed in a little at all times, i.e. the same as the Vert. Stab. upgrade in WoT.

Improving Maximum Accuracy improves the accuracy of your shells when you are fully aimed in.

Correct?

>>122117386
Improving minimum accuracy means your circle is a little smaller at its widest. Improving maximum accuracy means your circle is a little smaller at its smallest.

devs are aware that the descriptions suck and will maybe someday fix them

>>122117685

isn't it the other way around?

>>122119516
>devs are aware that the descriptions suck and will maybe someday fix them
Amazing read comprehension skills.

>>122119619

what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>122119719
Just pointing out that you're fucking dumb, that's all.

>>122119861
You should stop embarrassing yourself.

>>122119516
No, it isn't. A dev confirmed.

What the fuck is wrong with me?

BMP-1 WR: >60% at 30-ish games
BMP-1P WR: 0% after 5-ish games

>>122122725
Losing streaks. The BMP-1P is pretty good, trust me.

>>122122725
BMP-1P is not a very good Tier 4. The missile launcher is nice but it s stil fuckhueg with 0 gun depression.
Get the BMD-1 instead.

>whole team except me lemming trains it down one flank
>they all die to only half of theirs
I swear to god the MM is rigged. How come it's always my team that does this shit?

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Guys? still playing this soon to be dead game?
Time to come back!

>>122127191
>AW gives you a free version of a premium tank with a nice camo skin
>WG pushes a shitty t5 m4 in a $40 package
Really doing a good job luring me back serb

>>122128227
I realized I mixed up the t62 with the 430. Whoops

>going Chieftain branch means only 135k to tier 7

how did I not notice this before

>>122130386
Your brain is trying to protect you from 3 of the worst tanks in the game.
Listen to me, at least wait for the patch.

>>122131230
Chally and Ariete get buffed next patch, may as well grind the Chieftain right now

>>122132682

What is the buff?

>>122133253
Challenger 1
>Stock AP penetration increased from 342 to 377
>First AP upgrade penetration increased from 360 to 396
>Second gun stock AP penetration increased from 360 to 405
>Second gun upgraded AP penetration increased from 368 to 423
>Increased frontal hull sides from 80 to 275
>Increased frontal turret sides from 176 to 330

Ariete
>Increased both appliqué packages’ armor from 100/80 to 250/250 for the turret and hull
>Upgraded vehicle side armor from 120 to 200
>Upgraded frontal spaced armor from 300 to 400

I think it's pretty good

http://armoredtalk.com/2015/11/05/armored-warfare-update-0-11-coming-november-17th-patch-notes/

>>122133975
Also, they are removing the turret window weakspot. So you either hit the driver window or the cupola for reduced damage.

>>122134550
I find small weakspots incredibly hard to hit

what am I doing wrong

I'm reasonably good at FPS games and can reliably get headshots but for some reason I can't hit driver hatches and such in AW

>>122134550
Oh, and they are apparently strengthening the driver weakspot and giving it more health. Fuck you balance, enjoy your invincible mbts that even drooling retards can play effectively.

>>122134936
Let your sight zoom in all the way, wait for them to stop moving because shot delay fucks you otherwise, and then cross your fingers.

If they don't reevaluate t6+ MBT armor asap, this game is going to get really old, really fast. But they decided to keep on chugging into t9/t10 before sorting this shit out, so it's probably never going to happen.

>>122134936
calculate the shell traveling time

>>122111170
not worth buying

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>>122134936
don't aim for weakspots.

instead; play a maneuverable tank with high penetration/alpha and flank.

pic related

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>>122137657

>>122137657
Why would anyone play a non soviet mbt? Do they not like fun?

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>>122138070
I like the chieftain

>>122138623

Is that a Chieftain?

>>122138623
I like trains

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Yep, this is pretty reminscent of WoT

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>>122139147
Nope.

Is the T-72A a significant improvement over the previous one?

>>122141718

Which tank is that?

>>122141980
>fat
>huge gas tanks
>comfy
>thick sweater

Challenger.

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This is the state of the game:

>Terrible MM that is so bad it gives one team an extra tank for no raisin.
>Top tier MBT cowered in the river all game.
>People crying about missiles of all things.
>BMD-4 got killed from full HP by the wreck of the LAV-600.

In my last 30 games I have been top tier once. MM is serious in trying to make you lose and or ragequit.

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>>122142264
large gas tanks best gas tanks

>>122143489
>playing NA
>complaining about not being top tier in an AFV

>>122143489
Why are MBT shitters so bad? I swear they're always the biggest pussies on the team.

>>122144160
It's in any vehicle. I only played my Terminator because I wanted a chance to be top and prems have pref MM. It apparently didn't work.

If I queue in a 5, it's a heavy 6 battle. If I play 6 it is guaranteed to be a 7 battle whether I sit in queue for 3 minutes or if it pops instantly.

I get they want everyone to have a good time so they try to force 50 winrate, but it becomes very unfun when you are never given the opportunity to be top tier. You have to work a lot harder in a lower tiered vehicle to carry the already heavy AW teams and you pretty much never feel powerful. I would honestly expect to be top tier 60% of the time, considering a game of all the same tier would count. At the moment I'm looking at a top tier rate of 30% and dropping.

>>122144676
just get a t8 :^)

but yeah, it feels like more people are getting fed up with higher tiers and grinding in pve because its just not that fun

Man when it hits about ~9 eastern time my day just goes to shit.

Teams just become utterly retarded and MM turns my life into shit

>play M60A3
>T6
>T6
>T6
>T7
>T6
>T6
>T6

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GIT HYPE

https://youtu.be/x6NbOHJO_BA

>>122138070
Why would anyone play ugly Soviet MBTs?

And for that matter ugly Chinese commie MBT's that are soviet designs

>>122120279
You should stop breathing.

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>>122151946
>soviet designs
>implying ching chong tanks are not american design
BT-2(american design) > T-34 > T-44 > T-54(chinks copied and modified this one for a while) > T-62 > T-72(uses modified T-34 engine, modern chink tanks are copy of this one)
Chink tanks = american designs.

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>Their tier 6 arty sees my tier 8 arty
>He hides in a corner and only ever fires one shot out of his drum right after I fire a shot, then runs away
>Ignore him and molest his only tier 8 MBT

This game sometimes

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can the tank tracks/wheels eat shots like in WoT?

>>122127191
stfu serb, what's wrong? not getting enough money for crack and whore?

>>122157780
Aye, at least with HEAT.

Either NPCs shouldn't spawn within line of sight of you, or they should have a delay between spawning and being able to shoot

Getting shot by an NPC because he popped into existence next to you before you could even react is horseshit.

>>122155120
>BT-2(american design)

But that is wrong, you fucking idiot.

>BT-2>T-34

But that is even more wrong, you fucking idiot.

>T-72(uses modified T-34 engine, modern chink tanks are copy of this one)

Wow, that is literall tripple-wrong, you fucking idiot.

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TFW 5,000 damage as a tier 5 is not enough to carry your deadweight team in tier 7 battle.

>>122160598
i'm right about everything, watch russian armor documentary series
https://youtu.be/sNFC-_Vg8VE
oh wait, you probably don't even know russian, who are you talk about russian tanks then?)))))))))))

>>122157780
Wheels love to eat all shell types, even AP.

>>122161330
>4 ANIME
>still lose

>>122163529
>Thinks animefags are good at any video game and aren't the most casual people in existence

>>122161385
No, no you're completely fuckign wrong about it, dipshit.

T-34 was a *medium* tank, not a *cavalry tank* like the BTs. Also, calling it american is dumb as hell considering it was never actually sued by he US.

As for the T-72, you're so wrong on all levels, it's not even funny. Neither does it use a "modified T-34 engine" nor is any chinese tank a copy of it, you fucking retard.

You evidently don't know anything of actual value or factual correctness about tanks at all, so who are you to try and talk about anyone's tanks then?)))))))))

>>122164746
>T-34 was a *medium* tank, not a *cavalry tank* like the BTs
it doesn't matter what's it's designation, fact is t-34 was influenced by BT's suspension.
>it was never actually sued by he US.
what? you mean issued? that doesn't makes J. Walter Christie russian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christie_suspension
>Neither does it use a "modified T-34 engine"
learn russian, watch docu produced by №1 russian military docu maker, not everyone is translated for you capitlist pigs
it is said in episode 7 or 8:
>t-72 development started as a version of t-64 with a heavily modified t-34 engine becouse t-64's revolutionary engine was only manufactured in kharkhov
or something like that
>nor is any chinese tank a copy of it
can you at least read english article on the fucking official site of this game?
https://aw.my.com/gb/news/general/enter-dragon
>The Chinese obtained one or several T-72s (probably from Iraq or from some other business partner) and incorporated the elements of those tanks into their own

pls don't die /awg/

what's your favorite PVE mission?

>>122171079
the one that has a lot of tanks

>>122167421
Not that guy but they also apparently imported 50-200 T80s but were never fielded into combat units.

>>122163529
>>122163672
>3 ANIME in top four playing tier 5 tanks in a tier 7 battle.
>Bad.

Pick uno.

>>122179201
>shoot 5 times
>good

I've unlocked the Chieftain, but unsure if I should spend credits on it.
What do you think?

>>122180925
I'm also close to unlocking the T-72 and BMD-2 btw, so I wonder if I should just save for one of those.

Fox a spin.

WIESEL
CHAN
BUTT
JOBS

>>122167421
>influenced by BTs suspension

In other words, it took a single part while beign a completely differnet machine in both role and overall engineering.

>Christie

Nobody cares. Not only is the suspension not even remotely what truly makes the tanks design, nationality of a tank ultimately falls to the government controlling the design and production process of it isntead fo singular technical personnel.

>some shitty history channel-level documentary

Learn about proper sourcing, retard. Russian-language bullshit pseudohistory is still bullshit pseudohistory. The only commonality between the T-34s and T-72s engines is that both are V-style diesel engines - which happens to be the most common type of basic architecture for diesel engines worldwide, fucktard.

>can you at least read english article on the fucking official site of this game?

I can apparrently do so better than you. "Incorporating some elements" does not make it a copy, you fucking illiterate moron. Otherwise just about every tank ever built is jsut a "copy" of the Mark I, given they all incorporate such elements as treads and cannons.

Learn something about chinese tanks that isn't regurgitating bullshit myths and beibng a lying little shitstain trying to take bullshit soundbites out of context before trying to argue about them, you ignorant little braindead fucktard.

Calling any chinese tank past the Type 59/69/79 a copy of anyting only does two things: Prove your utter and complete ignorance and idiocy in regards to chinese tanks and preclude you from being ever taken serious when arguing actual facts about them. Deal with it.

>>122180993
t-72 or bmd-2 > chieftain / challenger

Is the BMP line the worst one ingame? Even worse than bongMBTs?

>>122181697
Until the 19th at least when Brit MBTs are getting buffed

>>122182118

Currently Britbongs are worse, but after 0.11 buffs both the bongs and the BMP-3M I'm not sure.
If I were to guess though, I'd say yeah the BMP line is the worst in the game.

>>122181461
I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED, DESU SENPAI, I WAS JOKING
you massive fucking autist in a thread about arcade game

>>122171079
I dont know about favorite as I have several that I like. The desert map with all the water tanks or the desert map with the little oil refinery or whatever on it. The green map with the air field in the vally.

I can tell you the one I hate, that one city map with tall buildings. I like the aesthetics of the map and fighting there but the spawn rates are fucking horrible. You sit for 30-60 seconds at a time waiting for 2 tanks max to spawn at a time, which die instantly, then its back to waiting. Takes fucking forever.

>>122171079
Perseus, most efficient mission for dubs of tanks you hate/ unplayable pvp tanks

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Sometime I miss WoTs rigged MM, at least it would give me a pity win every now and then

>>122183372

>1.3k damage in a tier 5 after 30 battles
No, you just fucking suck. Admittedly not enough to warrant a 26% winrate, but you sure as hell aren't helping your team.

>>122182364
>I'd say yeah the BMP line is the worst in the game
BMPs = lame BMDs which is still not bad.
I think the worst line is light tanks, they are jacks of all trades, masters of none.

>>122183372
the more you play the closer it will get to 50%.
i used to had 78% on BMD-2 after around 30 battles. now it's 68% after 72 battles.
but you still shouldn't die so much holy shit, it's like you are taking every opportunity to do damage even if it means taking damage, MBTs are best used to keep enemy herd from pushing, so it's better to stay alive.

>>122171079
Whichever isn't the linear as fuck one about muh supply trucks. That shit shouldn't even be in the medium rotation in first place since the rewards are even more fucking pitiful than the mission itself.

https://aw.my.com/gb/news/general/developer-qa

>but the developers are intentionally leaving the ramming damage low for now in order to fix the remaining issues
dey stoopid

>>122185595
>no 4 v 4 because of "muh afk players", as if those modes wouldn't be exclusively played by platoons

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I really dislike wheeled vehicles in this game. Is it worth suffering through the LAV-300 to get the commander or should I save my shekels to buy fun tank instead?

>>122186225
define fun tank

>>122186225
The LAV is fun.

>>122186225
The Ioannis or whatever his name is? Not worth it at all.

>>122186225
My memory is failing me, is the TD commander Ioannis or Rashid? If the first then no, it's a "just for funsies" commander only good to troll people by spamming HE in a Scorpion or Sheridan, or maybe an arty. Rashid is a decent enough commander, he gives you hull traverse, turret traverse and a bonus for missiles.
If you liked the Dragoon the ERC-90 is basically that on crack.

Wanna hear something fun? The TDs get the reload bug as well, not only the MBTs.

>>122186329
I enjoyed the Bulldog and Scorpion best so far. I have the Chieftain and T-72A but MBTs just feel slow and repetitive. The BMD-1 and BMP-1P just feel inflexible. I'll probably get the BagelPz when I have enough credits.

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how to take advantage of noobs and unleash full power level

>>122186929
>tier 4 playing on easy PvE
Look at him and laugh.

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>>122182593
>can't win
>better damage control as complete retard

>>122186929
kil ioself my mann

>>121994368
an arty is the 'last party member'. It can counter campers by annoying them, and can help the team by laying smoke and illuminating. But most just camp and start counterarty noobing because they cant hit anything else.

>>121994417
o yes, the WOT lemmingtrain of campers, in a game about mobile modern warfare. such fun

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>>122186929
>Tier 4 on easy
LMAO u pleb

>>122187191
>can't win
do you keep a list of battles won?

>>122187149
>>122187278
> not getting fast easy exp

>>122187447
>680xp
Nigga twice that on defeat in PvP

>>122187447
Easy PvE gives pitiful xp, you colossal cockmunching retard.

>>122187526
almost twice that on defeat in PvE hard even.

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>>122187447
>~700xp
Wow its fucking nothing
more events when ?

>>122187447

You know you can get well over twice as much as what you just got by playing a decent medium mission, right?

https://aw.my.com/us/news/general/developer-qa

TL;DR:
. MM will be improved
- Garage will show hidden stats
- Muh optimization
- More PvE objectives and long term goals
- Bases will be able to go beyond 5 and produce boosters (such as +50% rep)
- loot soon
- Ramming better soon

>>122188000
>- Bases will be able to go beyond 5 and produce boosters (such as +50% rep)
MOTHER OF GOD.

>>122188095
>month long upgrades
My body is ready

>>122188608
Don;t worry, you'll be able to pay to decrease that time :^)

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>>122188000
>- More PvE objectives and long term goals
>- Bases will be able to go beyond 5 and produce boosters (such as +50% rep)
>- loot soon

>>122188095
how do they even plan on making money with this game? atm players are not forced to spend real money, unlike wot.
premium time - not worth it becouse 2.5 people play past level 5 atm and there is always enough cash.
it will be more useful for late joining folks who want to get to high fast, but what's the point of getting to high tiers if you haven't played enough battles to git gud?
exp convertation - not worth it becouse you can do any shitty tank in pve and they even removed unlocks from the arty.
premium tanks:
i don't see any reasons to buy them, aside from few of them being really good atm, but i still don't see reason to play dead end premium tanks when you could be earning exp to unlock new modules/tanks which is a huge part of fun in mmo.
in wot training crew was a long, painful thing that you had to do without premium tanks and premium time, not to meniton you need to farm silver on them to buy gold ammunition.

>>122188705
Shhhh.... don't give them ideas
inb4 premium account decreases waiting time by 50%

>>122188705
last time i heard they are unsure if such option will be added

>>122186837
>just feel slow and repetitive

Going to have to disagree there. In WoT, heavy tanks felt slow and repetitive but the battles always differed so it really came down to style. MBTs though, each one feels very different to one another. Some drive smoother, some guns handle better and some can take a beating. I think they have great variety.

>>122189160
I do not find my self having sufficient cash. Playing 3 MBT lines and im negative 2 million gold and running premium.