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>>388327080
make a fire starter who doesn't have or look like they have this combo...holy shit

>>388327080
Just got taken out by a Pelipper/10. Design wise up until Diamond the fire fighting kicked ass and Infernape was my boi.

So is Mario fire/fighting?

Someone post the every pokemon is now a fire/fighting type.

Blaziken is for fags, Infernape was a beast until they decided to give Blaziken Ninjask's ability which was barely kept in check with Ninjask's shit stats to begin with. Replace Iron Fist with Contrary already, I want autism chickens to cry about Infernape again

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>mfw ice/anything
utter shit

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DOOD LET'S MAKE THE ONE POKEMON WHO CAN COUNTER PSYCHICS ALSO WEAK TO THEM LMAO

What we really need is more Grass/Ghost Pokemon.

>>388327386
>crucial offensive moves like Ice Beam that go on EVERYTHING for coverage
>fucking sweet designs
>rare, usually end-game pokemon
>fucking shit defensive typing
>dual-types only seem to give it more weaknesses
>literally everything carries a coverage move it's weak to

I feel bad for Ice types

we need more fire/black types

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>>388327184
There's Delphox but
>drops the waifubait factor
>looks like a traffic cone
>has no moves despite being a WIZARD

Blaziken a best

>>388327184

People tend to forget that Incieneroar is Fire/Dark

And also Delphox is Fire/Psychic

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>>388327080

>>388328425
They don't "forget". They intentionally ignore it to push memes.
>Delphox is just shitty waifubait anyway.
>Incineroar looks like it should be Fire/Fighting so it still counts

>>388327080
>still no actual fire fighter pokemon
just give it water bubble

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>>388327882
Ice types just need to be supported as offensive monsters rather than defensive ones. Many of them have shallow movepools, low speed, or shitty abilities. Weavile and Mamoswine are both very threatening offensive pokemon. Weavile just needs an ability that it can actually use and then it would really wreck shit up. Mamoswine is already good, since it can tank hits thanks to thick fat and high HP even if it can't outspeed everything. I feel bad for shit like Aurorus, who has an amazing offensive typing and some neat moves, but garbage speed and a million weaknesses.

>>388328308
>This reddit meme.

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>>388328502

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>>388327080

>>388328778
You sound triggered. Afraid of social media?

>>388327080
If it ain't broke, ain't fix it !

>>388327362

Venusaur is best pokemon

>>388327386
I think Ice should resist Water and Dragon, that would balance out a lot of stuff

>>388327080
The director of Pokemon has said that instead of traditional difficulty settings they make it so picking fire has been their version of "easy mode" since gen 2.

Fire/Fighting is one of the best offensive type combos in the game. The Blaziken and Infernape lines can blaze through the single player and can easily carry your team for the bulk of the game. Fighting also hits everything that resists fire and vice versa so unless its a Gyarados, you'll have something to hit hard with.

Compare the amount of gyms that are weak to fire, fire+fighting and weak to fire+psychic in gen 6 compared to grass or water in gens 2-5.

The only gyms in gen 2 (and remakes) that Meganium is a great Pokemon for are Misty's and Brock's whereas picking grass is a detriment in 5 gyms (the first two in the game being a big example). Fire on the other hand wins against 4 and loses to only 2. None of the Johto starters beat any of their Elite 4 but Meganium is the only one which has a loss.

For gen 3 its similar whereas the Torchic line with its access to fire, fighting and the move Peck (for early game) can win against 4 out of the 8 gyms and loses to 3 at the end whereas a Treeko picking player only does good against 2 and bad against 2. Blaziken also beats 2 out of the Elite 4 and the champion and loses to none whereas Sceptile beats none and loses to one.

Gen 4, similar story but the dual typings on all of the starters make it a fairly balanced gen as Torterra has a similar win/loss against the gyms.

Another thing to look at is that through gens 3 and 4, the first gym is always rock so giving a fire/fighting Pokemon that can easily be evolved by the first gym helps players maintain that easy mode feel. I can also see this being why in FRLG Charmander learns Metal Claw very early as to help you beat Brock and keep its "easy mode" status.

TL;DR version: Picking Fire is designed to be Easy Mode, Fire/Fighting only makes it easier.

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>>388327362

At least Grass types have their own niche, despite being full of weaknesses. Ice types seems lost in what they wanna do.

>>388327080

>>>/vp/

>>388329001
>Reddit=/=Social media

>>388327362
It's not that terrible. Since Grass cancels out Poison's annoying Ground weakness, you're not weak to EdgeQuake anymore.

>>388327676
fuck that, we need grass/fire

>>388327386
Aren't ice types supposed to be literal glass canons? Good offense shit defense and all that.

>>388329001
With how it's destroyed modern society, you should be.

>>388329235
tell that to Mamoswine and Regice who made bulky ice types work

>>388329235
That's the idea but statwise most of them are slow and "bulky"

>>388328425
>or look like they have this combo
read his comment again

>Fire/Flying
>Fire
>Fire/Fighting
>Fire/Fighting
>Fire/Fighting
>Fire/Psychic
>Fire/Dark

The majority of fire starters are not fire/fighting.

>>388329195
Alola Ninetales says hi !

I haven't played a pokemon game since platinum, which one should I play now?

Is Blaziken the chad of pokemon starters?

>>388327080
Why do so few pokemon after like gen 2 have single typing? I actually like it better when they have just one type. Dual types should have been more rare unless it is certain type combinations like grass/poison, normal/flying and rock/ground. To me it seems they want to force random weird typing just to say they have pokemon like that. Some typings make no sense to me and seem forced.

>>388329529
Emerald, it's still the best one.
If you want story go for either BW or B2W2, If you want 3D overworld go with S/M

>>388329134
>Any fire starter not named Infernape
>Easy mode

Feraligatr was the best starter in Gen 2, sweeps everything and gets Ice Punch in goldenrod to say a big "FUCK YOU" to your rival's Meganium.

Swampert was much, much better than Blaziken, especially for plowing through the game. Only weakness was grass, and he'd learn most of the HMs you needed too.

The gen 5, 6 and 7 Fire starters are trash, so no idea why you think they're the "easy mode" starters when they're slow as shit and have tons of weaknesses. Water has almost always been the "easy mode" starter, not fire.

>>388329446

I won't. Because at the end of the day, Incineroar is Fire/Dark. Using that for a Fire/Fighting argument is useless.

>>388329472
>fire/flying
pls no

>>388329653
they are better for offensive purposes normal/flying and rock/ground are far too common and impossible to use competitively

>>388329772
You realise Dark is supposed to be the dirty version of Fighting, right?

>>388329841
and?

>>388329689
>Deplhox
>Slow
>Outspeeds Garchomp

>>388329841
Yeah sure but at the end of the day it's still not Fighting

>>388329841
dark people always fight dirty, we know

>>388329689
>Feraligatr
>using ice punch in gen 2
>using ice punch in gen 2 on Meganium
Look at him and laugh.

>>388329653

>yfw the only pure flying type is Tornadus

>>388329394
Mamoswine is bulky offense, though. It's only good because of its speed and Ice Shard.

>>388329934
>>388329934
And they're likely to look similar to fighting types as a result. Perpetuating the idea that fire starters are all used and designed with the same theme in mind.

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>>388330001
>99% of flying types take full damage from fighting moves

>>388330001
that kinda makes sense, Flying type is too strong by itself, it needs more weaknesses to make up for its insane firepower...

>>388329832
I actually think rock/ground should have been combined into earth type. Would have made more sense.

>>388329679
Already played emerald, so I guess I will play S/M since I don't want to bother to download a DS emulator
Thanks

>>388327362
>the sheer number of half-poison mons in gen 1

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>>388327080
>There's too many Fire/Fighting pokemon!

>mfw bug/flying

>>388330138
Of course! That'd step on the toes of our Psychic overlords in Gen 1 if Flying was just as good!

>>388330123
Maybe because they are (?) they are all based off the Chinese zodiac

>>388329932
An oversight, but Greninja is easily the best 6th gen starter, which was my point. The fire starters are not easy mode.
>>388329962
Are you arguing that Feraligatr was not, by far, the best starter in Gen 2? Because he was. Cyndaquil learned almost nothing but Fire and Normal attacks, It was Charizard without the extra Flying type and better type coverage, and Meganium had good defensive stats but Grass is just shit defensively on its own. The only generation in which the fire starter was the easiest to plow through the game with was gen 4, and even Empoleon gives Infernape a run for its money.

>>388330369
I didn't realise all the Chinese Zodiac animals all have "punching things really hard" in their mythos. Though if they did I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with fire starters.

>>388330369
Smokey sheep fire starter when?

>>388330159
Flying has plenty of drawbacks, though. Sure, they're immune to ground (for the most part) but they get fucked over by hidden granite and their STAB is weak against the most common defensive typing in the game.

Being a pure flying type is objectively inferior to being flying/electric.

>>388329841
Yeah because my favorite wrestlers fire concentrated bursts of hatred to defeat their foes

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>>388327080
>firefighting

>>388330482
>>388329689

Typhlosion is objectively better in gen 2 because it gets Thunder Punch.

Fire/Electric on a special attacker is better than Water/Ice on a physical attacker.

Feraligatr is easily replaced with Gyarados, or an actually special-based Water type, whereas Typhlosion is your best option for Fire.

Feraligatr is the best starter in HGSS however.

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>>388327080
BELONG IN THE TRASH

>>388330582

I think a fire sheep that can spread wool like clouds and spread firestorms can be pretty cool.

>>388330482
>ice punch
>mega tanks it because no stab and shit sp.atk and good sp.def
>giga drain
>shitagator fucking melts because 2x, stab, and shit sp.def
>mega goes back to full hp

>>388330369
Ah yes
Year of the Echidna and Year of the Fox are my favorite Chinese Zodiacs.

Please fuck off to /vp/ with this autism.

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>bug types

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>>388327386
>Tfw this goofy motherfucker will forever be shit because Game Freak can't let an Ice type be viable
Feels bad, man.

>>388327280
He's Fire/Spaghetti.

>>388329689

Water is better than grass but worse than fire.

All water types learn ice moves to beat grass, just like how many fire types can get Solar Beam, Grass Knot or Thunder Punch.
Going by gyms, elite 4 and champion, fire is the clear winner in most gens.
Feraligatr lacked a good special attack in gen2 making it really weak as its Ice Punch, Bite and Surf wouldn't do that much in terms of damage. In HG/SS, one with Ice Fang/Punch, Crunch and Waterfall could do a lot of work as is a great pick, but not in gen 2. In gen 2 I can give my Typholsion Thunder Punch and it will do much better comparatively than your Feraligatr with Ice Punch.

People sleep on Emboar because its too slow for competitive play, but it hits like a fucking truck and has a wide movepool and good mixed offenses making it great for playing through the story.

Delphox is similar to Blaziken/Infernape in that its STABs can carry it through much of the game, but it also gets grass, ghost and electric moves for coverage which also helps it beat its weaknesses.

Swampert doesn't perform that well offensively against much of gen 3's gyms and league. It beats the first, third and seventh and two of the elite 4+champion if you give it Ice Beam. Swampert's lack of a good special attacking stat hurts it in RSE whereas Blaziken just clicks a fire or fighting move and kills things regardless as its offenses are so good.

Gens 6 and 7 are hilariously easy regardless but are made more easy with Delphox and to a lesser extent Incineroar.

>>388330065
Mamoswine is good because Ice/Ground is by far the best STAB combo.

>>388331002

The background story behind the design is cool, but I wish its typing didn't suffer for it.

>>388331002
>Weavile
>Kyurem B/W
>Mamo

>>388331096
Not as good as as Fight/Rock, though no mons actually have that type

>>388329235
No. Every Ice type in Gen 1 is bulky to some degree. None of them are fragile. Part of this is due to them being part Water, but Jynx and Articuno are also somewhat bulky. None of them are fast.

Ice has numerous examples of Pokemon designed to be defensive.

>>388327080
I really like Emboar
I'm sad his special move is literally useless though

>>>/vp/

>>388330990
A shame too, bug types have some of the best designs in the game.

>>388331238
Do we know Lycanrok Dusk's typing yet? If they're pushing it as the next Lucario they can't just make a subpar pure Rock type and call it a day, right?

>>388331238
>Not as good as as Fight/Rock

Fighting/Rock is effective against eight types (Dark, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel, Bug, Fire, Ice) and Ice/Ground is effective against nine (Electric, Fire, Steel, Poison, Rock, Dragon, Grass, Ground, Flying).

>>388331169
Kyurem B is barely OU despite having 700 god damn base stats

and Weavile demonstrates that the only way to make ice types viable is by making them fast as fuck while Mamo is kept on life-support by it's ground type

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>>388331002
Fixed.

>>388330990
And yet Bug experienced a renaissance in Gen V and has numerous good attackers at varying levels.

>>388327362
thanks doc

>>388330942
>>388330860

Feraligatr is the best starter for playing through the game, which is what we're talking about. Thyphlosion may be the best in-game option for fire, but fire is just a shitty type in the first place while water is one of the best in the game. You really don't need a fire-type in Gen 2, Typhlosion has a harder time with a lot of gyms and struggles to stay useful by the time you get to the E4. Meanwhile Feraligatr has better type coverage, is bulkier and doesn't have a particularly hard time with any of the gyms or E4. His lower special attack isn't as big a detriment here.

And if we're talking competitive, while Feraligatr is a shittier Gyarados, Typhlosion is just a shittier Charizard. Sure it has Thunderpunch, but Charizard can also just carry HP electric and has much better coverage moves otherwise, and isn't weak to EQ. So unless you REALLY need to drop that rock weakness and won't be hurt by the EQ weakness, there's really no reason to ever use Typhlosion.

>>388331096
>What is Ghost/Fighting
Marshadow was a fucking menace.

>>388331610
Kyurem-B isn't OU because of its typing, though, it's because of its movepool. If it got EQ and Icicle Crash it would be Ubers.

>>388331619
Fuck off to /vp/ with your retarded recolors.

It is supposed to look retarded. Its a fucking yeti.

>>388331591
it also depends on the stats and build of the pokemon
sometimes a pokemon would prefer to have a minimum number of resists rather than a maximum number of weaknesses

>Still no fire-typed chinese dragon

>>388329207
stay mad brony.

>>388331762
>yeti
>6 legs

>>388331735
If it had EQ and Icicle Crash it'd be a terrible low tier ubers pokemon though

>>388331884
But it would still be an Uber Pokemon.

>>388330990
fairy resisting bug is just downright stupid
neither typing needs that

>>388331923
yeh but there's plenty of pokemon that are a single move away from ubers, and they don't have 700bst

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>rock/ground

>>388327080
Blaziken>Infernape>>>Emboar

>>388331734
Are you an actual retard?

Typhlosion is effective against three gyms and resisted by only one. Feraligatr has no advantages against any of them. In regards to the Elite Four, neither are better or worse except against Lance, where they are both handicapped. In this case, Feraligatr has a sole saving grace in the form of Ice Punch - which Typhlosion can match because Thunder Punch is effective against Gyrados, Aerodactyl, and Charizard anyway.

Fire is actually great both offensively and defensively, so you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I love Feraligatr but jesus dude play the fucking game.

>>388332070
>rock/ground
>120+ speed
PLEASE DO THIS GF

>>388331735
Ghost/Fighting is good because it is not resisted, which is only good in the hands of a Pokemon like Marshadow, which has stats and an ability to make neutral coverage effective.

>>388331879
Yeti crab u fuckin mong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwaidae

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>>388332070
>4 times weak to grass and water

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>>388331734
>HP Electric

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>>388327080
Not even the most OP type combo

>>388332367
I was going to say you forgot Ice, then I looked it up and it turns out rock isn't weak to it. I always forget that for some reason.

>>388327526
Ghost isn't weak to psychic

>>388332713
Poison is though

>>388332521
One grass move and it's done.

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discuss

>>388330001
Arceus with the flying type plate.

>>388333102
Fucking fairies.

>>388327526
M8 Ghost is one of the biggest reasons gen 1 is retarded.

It wasn't even super effective against Psychic, it was a PHYSICAL when the only Ghost was a special attacker (meanwhile Dragon is special and the only Dragon is a physical attacker) and the only two attacking Ghost moves were the jokingly bad Lick and the fixed damage Night Shade.

>>388327676
It's actually my personal favorite typing and I love all examples of it, but no, it's already oversaturated. Dhelmise should have been Ghost/Water, Ghost/Steel, or Water/Steel.

>>388333102

Fuck Sableye, Spiritomb needs a buff.

>>388333102
Only two Pokemon, but one of them is my favorite.

>>388333190
Not even a concern for it. It may have lost the shtick but it's still an amazing typing.

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>bug/flying
>normal/flying
>pure grass
>pure water

>>388331002
>No Ice Shard
>No Mach Punch
What did gamefreak mean by this?

>>388331169
A-Ninetales is decent.

>>388327526
and then because of a glitch, Psychic actually ended up being IMMUNE to ghost.

>okay so it's a water type
>and a fish
>EXCELLENT, MAKE FIFTY OF THEM

>>388332149
>Fire
>Better defensively than Water
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Being bulky is much, MUCH more important than being fast in this context. You're not playing against human players with sensible EV spreads, you don't need high base speed to outspeed 90% of the in-game Pokemon.

>Falkner
Totodile does the best, Cyndaquil is weak to Mud Slap, Chikorita is weak to Gust.
>Bugsy
Quilava has an easier time, but Croconaw doesn't have much trouble either. Bayleef gets shit on.
>Whitney
Bayleef and Croconaw do the best, as their bulk means they don't die as quickly. Quilava just doesn't live long or hit hard enough.
>Morty
Croconaw has Bite, which can flinch, and is bulky. Quilava hits hard but dies quickly, Gengar can easily kill it in 2-3 hits. Bayleef gets shit on again.
>Chuck
Bayleef finally doesn't get shit on, does the best in this fight. Quilava gets shit on, hard. Feraligatr does fine, he just can't hit anything for SE damage and has to rely on normal attacks.
>Jasmine
Feraligatr and Typhlosion both do fine, Meganium has the hardest time.
>Pryce
Feraligatr does the best, hits Piloswine for SE damage and isn't weak to anything Typhlosion is weak to water and ground, Meganium to ice.
>Claire
Feraligatr is easily the best here, has access to Ice Punch, Meganium won't hit hard but also won't die quickly, Typhlosion gets shit on.

E4:
>Will
Feraligatr and Typhlosion both generally do fine, need some help with Exeggutor and Slowbro, respectively. Meganium does well too.
>Koga
Typhlosion sweeps, Feraligatr also does fine, Meganium gets shit on.
>Bruno
Feraligatr does the best, Typhlosion gets hit hard by rock moves and EQ. Meganium does fine.
>Karen
Feraligatr sweeps everything but Vileplume, Meganium gets shit on.
>Lance
Typhlosion and Meganium get shit on, Feralitagr does fine everything, just has to watch out for Thunder.

TL;DR: Feraligatr is easy mode, Typhlosion is not and has a harder time with many of the gyms and especially the E4.

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>>388330253
>Make a Bug/Water Type
>Evolution is Bug/Flying

>>388333673
>Slow Defensive Ice Type

>>388329653
Is this bait? Both gen 1 and 2 are like 50/50 with dual typed mons, like all gens.

Actually, let me autism this with single typed mons. This is using old typings, btw

1: 87 out of 151
2:52 out of 100
3:74 out of 135
4:54 out of 107
5:84 out of 156
6:31 out of 72
7:29 out of 81

Only 7 is different so go meme elsewhere.

>>388332398
What about it? Hidden Power was a common move in Gen 2, it was important for type coverage.

>>388330990
>fire, fighting, flying, steel, and poison resisting bug
fair enough BUT EXLAIN
>Ghost and Fairy resist bug
fucking explain, if was even going for mythology fairy should be weak to bug

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The only good thing to come out of that combo in 15 years is this guy's art.

>>388332070
>10 special defense
>can actually be killed by the "Squirtle used Bubble" meme

>>388332984
Unless its coming from something with high base special attack, not necessarily.

And, by this logic
>One EQ and its done
>One Hydro Pump and its done
>One Psychic and its done

>>388333795
quad weak to steel tho, feelsironheadman

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>>388334571
watermelon gardevoir was good too

>>388334196
What is Araquanid

>>388334450
>mythology
As if there's any reasoning behind Fairy types. They wanted a type for Dragon typing and decided that anything round, cute or pink would fit the bill.

>>388334450
>fairy weak to bug
not enough punishment fro that cancer typing. Make them weak to fire to make meta autists cry

>>388334196
Araquanid and Golisopod are better than what Surskit will ever be.

>>388331504
Pure Rock.

>>388334767
The answer is "What is Surskit"

>>388334981
My point was they made an actual half-decent Water/Bug mon now so there's no point crying over Masquerain

>>388333102
>>388333190
No clue why they didn't make Ghost resist Fairy.

>>388330194
just download desmume, easy peasy

>>>/vp/

>>388334184
>Morty
Go back to plebbit.

>>388332069
and most of them need some status move. All Kyurem-B needs is reliable physical ice stab.

>>388335208
oh god video game discussion on /v/ somebody stop it we need that room for LOL SONYBROS WIN AGAIN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO BROS BROS BROS HAVE I SAID BROS IRONICALLY ENOUGH YET HAHA please laugh" threads

>>388332069
But they don't have movepools as garbage as Kyurem-B. It doesn't even have both physical stabs. It would be like if Kartana had to use its special coverage.

>>388335427
This is the typical intelligence of the /vp/fag. Make sure you don't catch its autism.

>>388334930
meta-autist here
making them weak to fire would be fantastic

giving magearna a 4x weakness is EXACTLY what the piece of shit needs

>>388331238
>Terrakion weeps

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>>388327080
Who steel trainers here?

>>388335513
eh it still has 120 base sp-atk though which isn't bad
and there are plenty of other pokemon that function of their weaker stat: Nidoking being a fantastic example

>>388335337
>shitposting

>>388335521
Don't you a thread that isn't about videogames to shitpost in?

>>388334571
>>388334737
I love this

>>388335829
What do you mean. I was just telling you fags to fuck off because there's an entire board to talk about your shitty franchise in.

>>388334737
I want to fuck that spicy gardevoir(male)

>>388335373
porygon-z is a decent example of something that just needs a better offensive move
techno blast is high tier ou, boomburst is ubers

same with aerodactyl: combination of head smash and brave bird is ubers material

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>>388335902
He's doing nat dex in order, when he got to blaziken he did fire/[every type but fighting] for a bit.

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>>388335801
Me

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>>388327676
Yep.

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>>388332521
>lv 20

reminder that it's been confirmed that shitposting in on topic video game threads makes you a faggot

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>>388336235
>that thicc
>thigh gap

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How to balance Pokemon types:

>Remove Fairy
>Make Ice resist Dragon and Ground
>Make Poison SE against Water and Fighting
Bam, fixed.

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>>388336141
beware of fire pokemon though

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>>388336454
:^)

Ice now also resists flying and fairy
is it at least okay?

>>388331762
>I-It's supposed to look bad!
There's a world of difference between, say, Carnivine and Hariyama compared to Bruxish and Crabominable.

>>388335801
I love my boy steelix, but ground/steel was just an utter trash combination. And even with its defense, all of its other overall garbage stats left nothing to be desired

I think Ice if fine desu as a very offensive type, its just Game Freak likes to make defensive or slow ice types

I would say the best change they could make would be making Ice SE to water.

>>388336620
Ice is not a defensive type. Those resistances give it a minor buff but doesn't fix the true problem.

>>388331676
Yes, we already know Gen 6 ruined Pokemon.

>>388336959
yeh but at least that way it's simply a bad defensive type instead of an atrocious one

flying resist is VERY valuable and so is fairy resist

>>388336856
The type itself is just trash, it needs to not be weak to rock, fire AND fighting and get a couple resistances. Having ice as a type is just a liability, giving it more types to hit for double damage won't really change that if you can still carry an ice move for coverage.

>>388336826
just have 5 metagross dude

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weavile is cute

>>388336086
Got a link, by chance?

>>388337401
It's already been posted in this thread

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>>388331002
Grab a friend. Doubles TR

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>>388337401
Someone posted it earlier in the thread.
>>388327972

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Tier list of people's favorite type:

Cool dude tier
>Poison
>Flying
>Water
>Ice
>Bug
Good guy tier
>Fighting
>Ground
>Fire
>Steel
Alright buddy tier
>Dragon
>Electric
>Grass
>Psychic
>Normal
Nuisance tier
>Dark
>Ghost
>Rock
Fucking faggot tier
>Fairy

>>388337518
>>388337550
My b. Thanks

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>>388337624
>tfw croagunk is one of my favorite mons
Do I win?

>>388336826
>Ground/Steel is bad
Who is the formerly Ubers Excadril for 200, Alex.

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>>388337624
Screw you Dark is great

>>388337624
>ghostfags are a nuisance
well fuck you too nigga

>>388329001
>Defending Reddit

You need to go back

>>388338006
>>388338050
3edgy5me

>>388333686
>Not even a Drain Punch

>>388338205
>le edge meme
the edgelords swarm to lucario aand mewtwo, dont ya know?

>Remove Ice
>Remove Dragon
>Remove Fairy
There, I fixed Pokemon.

>>388331821
Crossing fingers for Alolan Gyarados in US/UM

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>>388333102

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>>388329001

>>388338415
aint happening since it already has a mega.

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p-please tell Yveltal to go away. I-I promise I'll be good on your team!

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>>388334196
I'm glad S/M exists just because it gave us two cool Water/Bugs that actually remain that type.

>>388338552

Lunala's only function is to be a Mimikyu killer.

>>388337992
>being the Weavile of its typing suddenly makes it good

>>388335801
>tfw that bitch aegislash fucked over the rest of the steel types

>>388335824
That's because it has an actual GOOD movepool plus Sheer Force plus Life Orb. Kyurem doesn't have those things going for it and instead has to rely on non-STAB to do anything.

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>>388339093
What's wrong with Aegislash?

>>388330171
Things seem pretty balanced with those types, what would you propose for the balancing of the earth type? Just combine all the weaknesses and strengths of rock and ground? that'd be a little fucked

>>388339849
Too good, it made people cry

>>388330990
Bug/Steel GOAT

>>388339849
>gen v
>steel resists dark, ghost and psychic

>gen vi
>steel no longer resists dark and ghost but still resists psychic

It must be pure coincidence that a ghost/steel type was released that gen.

>>388338006
I don't want to play Mega Man when playing Pokemon.

Fairy ruined the game

>>388331619
I love this. I would've kept my crabrawler in my team if this was it's fate

>>388340334
Steel resisting ghost doesn't make much sense, but it should resist dark.

>>388338050
To be fair that one faggot that spams Gengar gay bait in every Pokémon thread is annoying as fuck

>>388340363
No it didn't, the things it checks needed checking. Except for bug, that makes no sense.

>>388331005
More Fire/Rock

Rate my attempt to balance type interactions better:

Ice now resists Flying and Ground. (Vapor and gases freeze, earth/sand becomes icy and can't move)
Grass now resists Fairy. (Fairy types are pretty much pixies and nature spirits, they don't want to hurt plants)
Bug now is not resisted anymore by Ghost and Fairy. (didn't really make sense)
Water is now weak to Poison. (water getting polluted/contaminated)
Psychic types are now immune to confusion. (they have sharper minds that can't be swayed as easily)

>>388327080
THREE FUCKING STARTERS

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Please share your ideas and thoughts about this asshole

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>>388340465
It doesn't make much sense that it resists psychic but GF didn't change that because it wouldn't make their gimmick pokemon less OP

>>388340652
Going somewhere?

>>388340513
Dragons were the only one that deserved to get fucked. Fighting and Dark types didn't.

>>388340652
Should be cooler than he is. Shit design, cool typing, not very useful in combat.

>>388340652
I love him. He was always a very efficient wall without being absolute cancer like Chansey/Blissey.

>>388327280
Mario is Normal, Fireflower Mario is Normal/Fire.

>>388340731
Magnezone will always be the hero we deserve. Too bad power creep is starting to fuck him over

>>388340652
steel flying is such a good type

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>>388328502

>>388328425
>if its no fire/fighting then is waifu/hazubando bait

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>>388341058
It really is.

>>388330237
>even the ghosts are poisonous
they never though this trough, why the majority of pokemon were poison or part poison?

>>388340470
??? who?

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Best dragon coming through

>>388340773
Fighting type did need a nerf since gen5 added so many good ones you could barely check them.
Dark and Bug being nerfed was unforgivable though, albeit Dark also got compensation buffs, bug got jackshit because of Japan's PTSD for Heracross.

>>388340991
GF needs to make a fire type move that electric types learn

maybe something like "Induction Flare" 80 bp, 15pp, bypasses moves and abilities that prevent damage.

magnezone with a fire type move would be fantastic

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>>388341508

>>388341272
tehee

>>388341390
gen 1 was set in a fairly cyberpunk type world, poison types often represented industrialization and pollution which would be common

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>>388327080
Why did Mega evolutions ruin Magic Bounce?

>Only Pokémon which had Magic Bounce where Xatu and Espeon. Two Pokémon which benfited 100% from having such an amazing abillity
>People started using them more
>Mega Evolution steals it and places it on Pokémon who dont even fucking need it like Sableye and Diancie. Further making the power creep even worse.

Thats like giving something like Quagsire Sap Sipper. Its just giving pokemon who are already good even more options.

>>388340773
Dragon type itself didn't need to be checked, dragons are strong only because of high BST pseudos like Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and a bunch of OP legendaries, but as a type by itself is nothing too special. Four resistances are nice, sure, but it's only effective against itself.
Buffing Ice by giving it resistances would have have been a much better way to nerf Dragons, I don't dislike Fairy type thematically or design wise but competitively it caused a bit more harm than good, Fighting types got shafted very hard while Dragon pseudos are still incredibly strong and overly present because of their movepools, abilities and high stats. Dark type wasn't hit nearly as hard because Fighting types are out of the way and as of Gen 6 Dark hits Steel neutrally.
At least Fairy type got rid of Outrage spam.

>>388341707
yeah but, did we really needed such unbalanced typing? for a first game it seem quite weird that they heavily focus on poison not to mention the only ghost and dragon have the shittiest moves

>>388336471
>Drop Pokemon
>Play games that aren't made for toddlers

There, fixed.

>>388340991
What Magnezone really needs is a special move that isn't electric, steel, normal or bug.

>>388341630
I was thinking a move based on microwaves

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>>388340652
Cool design.

>>388341737
Ninetales got it worse in that aspect.

The sad thing is Chansey ensures Zard Y will remain in OU and Zard Y ensures Chansey will also remain OU instead of getting deservedly banned.

>>388341942
don't go overcomplicated, it could be something like flying press or freeze dry, just this time it is Electric and Fire damage

>>388341630
They were partway there with Flame Charge, but that was low on power.

>>388341390
They decided that almost all grass types had to be poison for whatever reason (poison powder?). And that poison was to be a trash typing for fodder pokemon just like bug. The reasoning for Ghastly/Haunter/Gengar to be poison escapes me though. I guess poison creatures is just a very archetypical thing for monsters.

Pre-Gen 6 Kingdra and Spiritomb had the best typing.

And Sableye too I guess but fuck that gremlin.

> Plain water
> It's a boring fish/aquatic creature

>>388341923
But your favorite games are for toddlers, anon.

>>388342278
>Ghastly/Haunter/Gengar to be poison escapes me though
maybe because they are based on toxic gas? except for gengar though. Is just funny how Johto tried to have more monotypes even the starters

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>>388337624
As if I needed any confirmation that Bug, Flying and Psychic are the best types.

>>388340652
Annoying Bullshit.

Why isn't Blastoise Water/Ice? The typing would actually help it

>>388342626
>using butterfree against onix

Why?

>>388342690
>Ice
>help

>>388340652
sohuld've have an evolution

>>388342708
because Onix is such a weak pile of shit that it can't even survive Embers despite resisting them

>>388342708
Nerds who picked charmander don't know about Nidoran.

>>388342258
yeh and course the number of physical electric types is kinda low

and induction heating is a fairly obvious choice for fire damage electric types can learn

>>388342708
>confirmed for underage

butterfree was the best way to get past brock in yellow you fucking underage. I bet you only played the remakes and think brock uses rock attacks

>>388342834
>Eviolite Skarmory
Stop

>>388343091
>yellow
>butterfree
>when Mankey exists

>>388342987
Nidordan doesn't learn double kick until level 43 in Red and Blue. Confusion fucking rapes Brock

>>388327362

Thanks doc

Anyway, ROCK/ICE is "fuck my shit up" tier

>>388329083
Yes, yes it would.

>Brock was meant to force players to try training different mons
>all it did was make me curbstomp the whole game with Nidoking while Pikachu gets benched

>>388342834
that is the last pokemon that needs an evo. Things like Shuckle, Castform, and Tropius need that more

>>388342834
NO.

Mega Flygon never ever

>>388343473
>Eviolite Shuckle
STOP

>>388343593
don't fuckle with eviolite shuckle

>>388341479
The guy that posts ""cute""" quasi-sexualized pics of Gengar and openly says he's his husbando, usually circlejerks a lot with the faggot that does the same with Zangoose pictures.

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>>388342408
Nothing wrong with Buizel

>>388343593
Shuckle's stats are a meme when it can barely survive two turns as is

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>>388327080
>>>/vp/
Also check this fünf

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>A tanky fucking zap-wizard

thanks, gamefreak

>>388342834
A prevolution maybe

>>388343806
pre evos are bullshit, they hardly contribute to anything

>>388342708
>Sleep Powder
>Confusion
GG

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>tfw i am the only one who likes conk
he will forever be my bro

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>>388343806
>baby pokemon in the meta
please, Pikachu in OU was enough for me. Also, be careful with prevos. Wynaut is a big reason why Wobbuffet became such a threat

>>388343968
His retarded clown nose, pink outward veins and brain tumor make me want to puke

>>388332521
oh shit he dabbing

>>388343968
Too slow + shit sp def syndrome.

>>388330990
>Fairy resists Bug
>Fighting resists Bug
>Ghost resists Bug
Literally what is the reasoning for any of these

>>388328425
>make a fire/fighting pokemon
>see that fans are getting sick of fire/fighting
>put black on it and then say it's "dark" even though it's clearly a fighting pokemon and isn't related to evil, darkness or the night at all.
Defend this.

>>388331268
>Ice has numerous examples of Pokemon designed to be defensive.
Ice types will never be defensive because they have too many common weaknesses with only one irrelevant resistances

It doesnt even matter if they have 255 HP/Def/Sdef

>>388344281
it worked in gen 3, the trick is to give absurd stats

>>388344184
they thought every bug had Compound Eyes when in fact only the shitty Bug Types have the ability.
Bug/Dragon Pseudo with Compound Eyes when?

>>388344239
>Sun This Pokémon has a violent, selfish disposition. If it's not in the mood to listen, it will ignore its Trainer's orders with complete nonchalance.

>This Pokémon has a violent, selfish disposition

yep. its dark

>>388344041
How so?

>>388344368
Regice was lucky that Fire type was special and there were almost no good Fighting and Rock type attacks. But thats only one ice pokemon

>>388332521
>swampert
>lvl 20

I wish there was something like pokemon about raising monsters except with actual good gameplay and a difficulty curve meant for people older than 5, where you can't get by through the single player just by leveling two that cover each other's weaknesses and giving them big attack moves

>>388344239
It's supposed to be a heel wrestler, using dirty tricks to win its fights, which is exactly what Dark is all about.

>>388344549
>there were almost no good Fighting and Rock type attacks
regice couldn't do shit against any of the good physical attackers anyway, hera/meta ate it alive

>>388332752
gen 1 shit confirmed.
gen 2 a best?

>>388344239
Dark isn't actually related to literal darkness, it's lost in translation but the Japanese is closer to Villain, this is why Dark type moves are dirty tricks and sneaky bullshit
Incineroar is the Heel Pokemon, as in the villain in a pro-wrestling storyline, which is why he looks like a wrestler

>>388344978
Emboar vs. Incineroar wrestling match when?

>>388344954
Yeah Misdreavus really solved all our problems for Ghosts.

>lets take all of our feminine pokemon and re-type them as Fairy pokemon even though they were all perfectly fine before and this Fairy Type was completely unnecessary.

>>388331169
Also, spiker Froslass used to be OU.

>>388345268
Shadow Ball was introduced in Gen 2

Psychic became a shit type with the Special stat split, Dark and Steel Pokemon

>>388345382
It was necessary because of Dragons

>>388344368
Gen 3 didn't have sneaky pebbles.
Articuno went from decent BL to like NU.

>>388345745
Talking specifically about Ghosts, Ghost was still a physical type, Gengar still lost to Alakazam 1v1, and the only new Ghost was shit (and still isn't good even with an evolution).

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>>388337624
My favorite types are Flying, Bug, Rock, Fire Normal, and Steel.
Jigglypuff is so high because she's my main in Smash Bros Melee.

I don't care much for Fairies outside of Mimikyu and Klefki (I liked Togekiss and Jiggs before they became fairies).

>>388345885
that is true, fuck sneaky pebbles
they need to make an ability that reverses hazards

>>388345928
Mismagius was fine in gen 4 when it was released, it just fell by the wayside.

>>388346073
It was always inferior to Gengar; the only niche it has is setup and a few extra coverage moves like Power Gem that ultimately aren't even needed.

>>388346063
Quiet gravel is the worst thing to happen to ever happen to the meta

>>388346243
It was very bad in gen4 but since then it got enough indirect nerfs to make it manageable.
Chansey line is still Gamefreak's biggest mistake.

>>388346073
>Mismagius was fine in gen 4
Fine like a Dollar Store Gengar?

Even Dusknoir was better.

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>>388340874
>not very useful in combat

>>388327080
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>>388327080

when

>>388346593
I think he means in normal playthroughs where he is indeed kind of mediocre.

>>388346443
the existence of suicide leads just to get rocks up, because it was good enough to warrant being down a mon, makes me wonder why sm*gon never even took a look at it

>>388346593
defensive dudes ingame are a waste of time, you want offensive ones with +2 boosting moves

>>388346747
need more dog pokemon and useful ones for my dog team

>>388333891
I don't remember that being the case, but the only move that would have been able to hit super effective was Lick anyway.

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>>388346784
I don't know about that, either, he singlehandedly won the Champion Steven fight for me in Alpha Sapphire.

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>they finally added a fire/water type
>it's an event legendary

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Please share your ideas and thoughts about this asshole

Grass and Bug honestly should resist fairy.

>>388347251
cool mon, one of the better gen 5s, needs a slight buff

>>388347251
Scarf mon

Chandelure's design is GOAT i dont know why normies/genwunners hate gen 5 when THIS god exists

>>388345928
>and the only new Ghost was shit
not in Gen 2's stally ass meta.

>>388347251
I use it on Pokken

>>388347251
One of my favorite lines from gen 5

Shame it got screwed out of shadow tag

>>388347228
You don't have one? I can clone mine for you

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>>388337624
In Japanese handheld games I always gravitated towards bugs. Was a let down that bug types were pretty bad outside of the early game in Blue/Red. Thankfully Heracross fixed that problem, but Venomoth was neat. Sadly it seems like bug types are often relegated towards being good early game and that's it.

I also enjoyed making bug themed decks in Yu-Go-Oh.

>>388347508
I like to think of Gengar being screwed out of Levitate as karma

>>388347536
I could just gen it if I wanted one

>>388347251
lampent is cuter

>>388347627
i got decent mileage out of scolipede in gen 5

>>388347724
>Gengar is now Destiny Bond bait

Good night sweet prince

>>388329235
Bullshit. It's never been that way. Good offense is meaningless when you can just use a Water type since all of them learn Ice moves anyways. There's no reason to use Ice types.