Why did a game where you fight a fucking bullet sponge ghost

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Do you think they got that far?

>>387566251
Bioshock games are for pretentious "skeptics" who think video games are a serious form of storytelling.

>>387566251

The poor man's half life 2

>>387566251
Because the pretentious faggots who say it have no exposure to any other source playing with the same kind of ideas Infinite did. Even though it's all old and recycled as shit to anyone who reads a lot, plays a lot of vidya, or watches a lot of tv and/or movies. To them this shit was their first taste of entry level science fiction.

>>387566251
>currently trying to beat that shit on 1999 mode
I'm glad I only spent $3 on this garbage

>>387566360
>moire effect
>bandaid on sole
>visible follicles on leg
7/10

>>387566251

Because the mainstream vidya critics clique desperately want the medium elevated and want to circlejerk over their own writing on the game.

None of them, however, have a strong critical literary voice. None of them can offer any meaningful insight into the game. They'd rather pat themselves on the back at how great they all are and how great this game must be, and they actually hurt the industry as a whole as a result.

>>387567378
I still can't see the bandaid. Moire effect?

>>387567602
Vidya critiques should be gassed

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>>387568496
red circle bandaid. black circle moire effect

>>387568640
Welp the image is ruined for me. Thanks though.

>>387567248
Just reset until you get the right gear and then you are good to go, not even the ghost will stop you once you can farm her minions for handcannon ammo.

It uses a lot of lofty concepts as window dressing for the plot and for the setting and combines it with a nonsense plot to create an illusion of depth. It falls apart if you go beyond a surface level understanding, or if you notice the ton of plot holes, but critics were wowed by the spectacle. Combine that with >>387567602 and you've got a lot of critics jumping on their own sword to defend a below average shooter.

>>387567248
if you really must play this piss-poor garbage i've no idea why you'd choose 1999 mode, its fucking terrible and makes all the bad gameplay choices 100 times worse.

>>387567248
I never played it on 1999 mode. What does it add?

if shodan can control worker bots to release soldier from his cryo-vat, and she says she'd prefer a fully-robot worker towards the end of the game, why did she use soldier at all

The whole point of the game is just to pretend to be another Bioshock game, but then reject it and acknowledge its place in the series.

It's a surprisingly meta story about Bioshock/System Shock similar to MGS2.

>>387566251
this was the prime case for vidya reviews being worthless

ITT: Brainlets who think they are geniuses.

>>387570804
the plot is fundamentally broken at every level of analysis.

>>387567378
>wanting photos to shop out follicles
>>>/out/

>>387570892
It's not trying to be a coherent plot the same way that MGS2 isn't trying to be coherent you fucking child.

>>387566251
Honestly, it changed my life. I'll forever be grateful to the artists at Irrational for creating this masterpiece.

>>387570739
Its hard mode + you lose a shitload of money if you die, plus gameover if you have no money.
Ideally, you will want to reload everytime you die so you dont screw yourself up without money later in the game.

I beaten it, just like i beaten hard no-vita mode in the previous games, it ends up being very boring in BI because its all about waiting the magic shield reload or elizabeth throw you some extra ammo or life.

I'll just leave this here

http://www.abc.net.au/arts/stories/s3733057.htm

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I'm stuck, any tips?

I hated Bioshock 1 but loved Bioshock Infinite.

>>387571032
WAIT A MINUTE

>>387570954
qweroiusadkvnc,mvnaretiouashdfkjlansdfwaeriuo

this post is an argument

>>387571032
Sorry, I don't know. I'm guessing you have to ring the scroll bell first but then there's only one key bell, not 2

>>387570954
But MGS2 achieve what it wanted. The game is crafted to leave you in doubts. There is nothing outright impossible for the series going on.
Infinite didnt achieve what it want, it has glaring plotholes that fuck up all the narrative.

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>>387571157
Neither MGS2 nor Bioshock: Infinite is about the narrative.
MGS2 isn't about whether Rosa is real or not, and where Ocelot went to with Rey.
Infinite isn't about the time travel or continuum.

>>387571032
ehh its been a while but i think you need to analyze the tapes, or something

>>387566251
there's always a desperate attempt at people who want to feel smart but don't actually want to put any effort into it

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>>387571032
Step aside, the real man's headscratcher is coming through.

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I unironically fap to this video, I love hearing this game get absolutely fucking destroyed at every turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdNhwb7iuI4

>>387571032
I remember there being an article about someone returning the game and sending a pissy message to the studio because they couldn't even play the game due to the "impossible" code at the start.

>>387570996
That doesn't sound fun at all

>>387571264
i unironically got stuck at this part on release
I don't think there was an 'inspect item' button on the vanilla release

>>387571032
>The scroll, Key, and Sword and the founding fathers will play a big role in Infinite

Literally used just to enter the city, and you see statues of the founding fathers, and they are never addressed again.

>>387566857
I have to confess that when I really liked the story of a game I've watched a good gammer playtrough... because either my gameplay encountered bugs or time I would've spent was a little longer that someone on his 5th playtrogh that does that sort of things professionally for a living on the internet.

So it's basically either me wasting huge amount of time getting tired mid-game.. or watch the entire playtrough of a good story trough the people I mentioned while they clear every single bit of content.

Only games which I found myself enjoying and investing more than 300 hours on average, were adventure / click games, arcadeish games etc.

>>387571226
you obviously have a minority opinion but are scared to elaborate since you'll get fucking destroyed. BI was scrapped and scrobbled together again 6 months before release. the plot does not intentionally put forth anything at all, much less a coherent meta-narrative.

>>387571413
Don't need one, the symbols are visible at the default angle in the inventory.

>>387571226
>Infinite isn't about the time travel or continuum.
Infinite isnt about anything, really. It hops around so many themes it end up being shallow and confusing.

>Religious rich white people are evil
>No wait, this game is about a girl with powers
>Now the poor people are evil
>Now the rich people are evil again
>Now its about timetravel multiverse shit
>We have no fucking idea of what kind of message to end this game with,

>>387571496
I've elaborated all that's necessary.
>the plot does not intentionally put forth anything at all, much less a coherent meta-narrative.
"There's always a man, always a lighthouse"
The entire fucking ending is about pointing out formula and subverting it.

>GUYS MULTIPLE UNIVERSES
>WOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAH STRING THEORY
>QUANTUM MECHANICS DUDE
I fucking despise this game. The gameplay is lackluster enough, the """story""" content is offensively bad

the best part of the game was the interaction between booker and elizabeth. other than that its not really that impressive, just a normal shooter with a few wrinkles thrown in.

>>387571504
i guess i was retarded then

>>387571354
The same can be said about BI as a whole.

>>387571560
>the only way to enjoy bioshock infinite's plot is to be a subhuman postmodernist
lmao dude, usually i dont leave these threads in a better mood than i entered. bye.

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>>387566251
Because you-know-who liked it.

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>>387566251

Remember the tale of the emperor's new clothes?

>>387571650
lol, sorry I know more than you how art is made and interpreted. gnight kiddy

>>387571591
You didn't read Arvel's journal, did you?

>>387570996
i switched it to easy at the end just to get through that awful ending where you fight 100x of the same guys you've already been fighting for hours as fast as possible

I was recently replaying this, I decided to keep track of some of the obvious plot holes up to lady comstock, where I got bored and quit. Some big ones:
-Booker and Elizabeth travel to an alternate dimension where Chen Lin is alive. How do they know their deal with Daisy Fitzroy for the airbus is still a thing?
-In this new timeline, people who were dead in the other timeline for some reason 'remember dying'. This makes absolutely no sense. Yesterday I accidentally ran a stop sign and was almost hit by a car, there's a version of me that hit the brake too hard and died, but I don't 'remember dying' because there's literally no set up for that. But I decided to be forgiving of this because it wasn't the worst plot device, gotta keep the story going somehow.
-Booker and Elizabeth fight through an entire army base to get weapon manufacturing equipment, for a deal they don't even know is still on. After murdering an entire army, they get down to the factory equipment, and finally figure out they don't know how to transport this. Booker literally says: "I guess we didn't think this all the way through." I can't speak for everyone else who played the game, but I was thinking this the entire way over and was wondering if there was something I was missing that would be explained when they got there. There wasn't. Their solution? Let's just go into a universe where Chen Lin has the equipment and is alive.

*Why was this not the FIRST solution.*

-They then go to a universe where Booker worked together with the Vox and died. The deal with Daisy for the airship most certainly did not happen in this timeline. Booker ignores this obvious point, and continues monologuing, almost as if the voice actor recorded these lines for a completely different story that was then cut, rewritten, and patched together into the mess we got.
con't

>>387571802
Plot holes are not the point of the story.
As previously stated, you can do the exact same thing with MGS2.

>>387571740
it's sad that i don't even know who that is even after all of this time so probably not

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>>387571802
it's literally the same plot as Singularity done worse

>>387571847
Show me similarly gross plotholes in MGS2.

>>387571847

Protip: you can finagle and connect dots for literally any plot and come up with a plausible """meta-narrative""" and call it genius. There are infinite interpretations of any given artwork, but some are more objective than others. Yours is loose. Very loose.

>>387571968
Fucking Christ man, he's the dude who has the claw.

>>387567378
>3DPD

>>387572010
>Protip: you can finagle and connect dots for literally any plot and come up with a plausible """meta-narrative""" and call it genius. There are infinite interpretations of any given artwork
But the difference is whether the creator actually intended it.
Infinite very clearly intended its ending.

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>>387572043
I think I paid attention to what that dude was about once and then always immediately killed him every time I started a new game because no matter what he would always run
I can't help it, the game is super boring but I get sucked into modding once a year

>>387571802
>for some reason 'remember dying
This never made sense to me. In the idea of infinite universes you would die of blood loss from the sheer amount of dejavu induced nose bleeds. As well as how dumb the ending was with Liz killing Booker. Booker had already sold her, killing him at that point wouldn't undo anything. Her having an omni sight makes it make even less sense since she would have already known the outcome.

The writers should have just stuck to the original story rather than change everything at an attempt to be deep.

>>387572285
The plot holes are not the point of the story.

>>387571802
con't
-Further evidence of this chopped up script theory is in one of the most obvious plot holes that should make anyone playing put down their control in frustration at the character's ineptitude to make rational decisions. While storming Fink's factory with the Vox to get to Daisy to acquire the reward for a deal they didn't actually complete and in this universe they never even made, Booker has to take down an airship with rockets attached. He then boards the airship, kills the crew, and destroys the airship. So he can continue fighting to acquire an airship. That is even more defenseless than the one he destroys (In fact it gets destroyed as soon as you get on it by a monster you could've fought off with the defenses of the airship you destroyed). It is flabbergasting to say the least, and the only reason I can think they got away with it is because the plot is so stupid by this point, you might've gone braindead trying to ignore it's inconsistencies.

But the thing is that this obvious plot hole is taken shot for shot from the E3 trailer, it's just put in a different place. We may never know what the original script for Infinite looked like, or if it ever made sense, but what we can surmise from the circumstantial evidence available is that this lackluster drawn out series of fetchquests is the product of at least several different storylines cut short, rewritten, and then stitched back together like a Frankenstein monster by the magical plot device 'tears'. It's a horrible story, and I feel bad for any kids and 'nerds' at the time who actually invested in it, because I'm sure life has been very hard ever since for people so willing to delude themselves to believe Ken Levine is somehow a genius.

>>387572374
I like how you didn't reply to my criticism.

>>387572357
So what the fuck is the point of the story

>>387572415

>guy obviously wants to do a multi part post
>HEY PAY ATTENTION TO ME

Just let him fucking finish, jesus christ.

>>387572481
see >>387571226

>>387572357
The point of the story is a damn plot hole.

>>387572534
>the narrative
oh you poor soul. which art101 course screwed you up, i hope it was just community college

>>387571226
>Infinite isn't about the time travel or continuum
>>387572534
It isn't about soup and forest fires either so whats your point

>>387572534
Whats the point of the game, then, if not the story?
Certainly it isnt the terrible dummed down gameplay that is far worse than the previous 4 games in the "series"
Is it the pretty environments? I guess the art is pretty gud. Is that all the game has to offer?

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>>387572647
I would bet on CalArts

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>>387572534

>>387572534
Bioshock is a series known for its story you dumb fuck. Saying that the point of the game isnt the story is like saying Columbia isnt known for cocaine

>>387572831
i wonder if that's still there

>>387572574
>>387572647
>>387572663
>>387572691
>>387572939
The point of the game is its self-analysis of its place as a sequel. How is this so hard for you to understand?

Oh right, it's teenagers on /v/ who think an anime ass girl game is art.

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>>387566251
This might have been the start of the 'pretentious triple A" game revolution. Game develop think they are fucking Nolan and that's a problem.

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>>387573045
Holy shit Dumbo, keep those ears covered up.

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>>387573001
man fuck this chode. post anime ass girls and answer my fucking question >>387570771

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>>387573001
based Levine, genius and pussyslayer

>>387571560
See, the problem with that is Bioshock Infinite is the second game to do that. So it's referencing a formula that only exists because of this game. That was one of the other points where I was like, I see what you're trying to do Ken Levine, and it's embarrassing, because it looks like you think this bullshit is genius. I mean 2 doesn't count because no lighthouse (thank god it doesn't count, I'm glad if Ken Levine thinks it's not worth mentioning because I prefer it untarnished by his sophistry), so it's just 1 and 3. I wouldn't say, as a creator of the series, "There's always a man, always a lighthouse," because it would just be referencing the fact that I repeated my first game's story beats and I would be embarrassed. But I guess I'm not Ken Levine.

>>387573303
if i was a master bullshitter i'd mention mark meltzer as being the man for bioshock 2's lighthouse. that would be really stupid though. you know what else is stupid? releasing a pc game where you can't reload your Eve supply manually while using mouse and keyboard, unless you edit multiple cfg files.

or one that crashes constantly unless, again, you edit cfgs and play with gimped graphical settings.

i'm still mad

>>387571435
Yet another plot point lost in this fucking mysterious blackhole of a development cycle. Will we ever know what happened? Was it just Ken Levine trying and failing to stuff too much shit in there at the expense of gameplay?

>>387573535
No, they had to completely overhaul the gameplay because the original version wasn't fun.

>>387573724
...and it still wasn't fun? Bang up job Ken.

the songbird character would be better if it turned out he didn't even exist and was just a noise they played on the intercom to scare elizabeth. then she could have an actual arc and we wouldn't get blueballed for a boss fight.

>>387573724
this affects the plot?

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>>387573001
>game becomes well known for story
>new game comes out in series
>new game has shit story
>all of a sudden the story isn't a main part of the games

This is probably bait and I fell for it but whatever

>>387573934
Happened with MGSV, so I guess it's legit.

>>387572357
This usually isn't the case for any story, but their existence undermines any point the story tries to make.

For example, if the actual ending to the story had been that Booker and Elizabeth are actually both mentally challenged nutjobs, and that's why nothing they do makes sense, and asked the player to examine how Booker and Elizabeth reflected on them as brain dead 'gamers,' who just absorb a story as window dressing for a boring hallway shooter, then the story might have a point. Instead it's Ken Levin fellating himself for releasing another Bioshock game. Bravo.

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>>387570804
>>387571157
>>387571560
>>387571720
>>387572415
>>387571847
>>387572159
>>387573001
Fuck off, Ken. No one on /v/ is buying your headcanon retcons of your pretentious logistically bankrupt drivel, just like no one bought M. Night Shaymalam's "The Happening was intended to be a hilariously terrible b-movie!" bullshit.

>>387573001
>The point of the game is its self-analysis of its place as a sequel

Self Analysis is mapping motives, goals, personality, and past achievements. This game does none of that. It never attempts to add anything that would be considered Self Analytical because it does the opposite. Characters don't matter, actions don't matter, and your decisions don't matter. That is the opposite of Bioshock 1&2 where your actions did matter. This was we'll tare apart a game then remake it in 8 months to try and get movie studios and hipster stoners interested.

>>387571354
good thing the game is easy as fuck so you shouldnt even be dying in the first place

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>>387574080
Is spergburgular /ourguy/?

>>387574080
And he misspelled watchmen too, holy fuck.

By the way spergburglar got warned for this, apparently you can't talk shit to someone who is obviously in the wrong/retarded.

>>387566857
Bioshock 1 is a great example of good storytelling in an interactive media like vidya.

you faggots are just shitposting out of your ass.


Infinite wasn't a good Bioshock game, but it was a good linear game on its own. /v just has no taste

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Really wish they had used some of the original concepts for the game.

>>387574172
Honestly this desu. The worst part of the game was the illusion of choice you get early in the game that becomes irrelevant later on. None of your choice really matter and at most you get a some gear and thats it

>>387574258
>By the way spergburglar got warned for this
[citation needed]

>>387574319
They really needed to use freaks or some themed enemies for places like the boardwalk. Even the crow worshiping cult which doesn't fit is underused as enemy types.

>>387571802
>I have autism and I cannot enjoy something without nitpicking to death
>also the narrative is the most important part of a fps, so I will nitpick even more about it

what a sad soul

>>387574313
>broken-ass plot
>broken-ass gameplay that gets worse on 1999
>can softlock by falling off platforms in almost every area of the game
>the art is good
>everything else is mediocre (voice acting) to bad (two-weapon limit, enemy ai, RNG gear, etc etc etc)

if bioshock infinite had been called Infinite Skies or something it would have been touted as the red-headed stepchild of bioshock and singularity. which it is

>>387574484
>the only reason I can think they got away with it is because the plot is so stupid by this point, you might've gone braindead trying to ignore it's inconsistencies.

>>387566251
Who the fuck was that ghost anyway? I remember playing that part but I don't recall what led to it or why we were fighting it at all.

>>387571280
>this game's quality would be drastically improved if nigger was said more often

How did he get away with this?

>>387574557
>I don't enjoy things if the background isn't perfect

>>387574484
you need a sub-100 iq to play through bioshock infinite more than once without noticing at least 1 glaring plot hole

i give first-timers a free pass cause a lot of them were counting on some sort of resolution being right around the corner, and forgot about the older loose threads by the time new ones showed up, but if you've played infinite twice and you dont cringe at every major plot point, you're a dum dum to be honest, familia, i'm shaking my damn head right now for real one hundred

>>387574382
I think people forget that they were trying to make a bioshock movie for a while, but had trouble getting a studio due to the main character never being seen and never speaking
despite having directors interested. The change in direction was most likely to try and appeal to what they thought movie studios would want. Even to the point of making the main character a generic male lead action star who says things and stuff.

>>387574692
>uhhhh we have to get lady cumsock's key
>in order to open this gate we need a key thats in a tomb for some reason, they buried her with her key. what the fuck
>oh no you disturbed my sleep. lets wrap this arc up quick, i dont have all day
something like that

>>387574805
It wasn't even a Bioshock game when they started it. Levine wanted out of the series, but the publisher demanded they change the game and market it under the Bioshock name or they would pull funding.

>>387574837
Why not jump to an alternate dimension where the gate is already opened? I'm pretty sure we fight the ghost sometime after we jumped dimensions to solve physical problems like the weapons cache already so why suddenly stop?

>>387574692
It was some shit where Comstock brought a version of his dead wife back from another universe, making her dead and alive at the same time. Despite how you've seen the entire dead/alive enemy before, she gets special powers for some reason

>>387574953
Elizabeth has also opened other doors and barriers and even walls with partial tears. But hopefully the players forgot that, it would be really embarrassing to have that pointed out.

>>387566251
The game was fun.

Sorry you only like underwater shooters with hulking enemies called Daddies.

Stay mad.

>>387575187
Hey Bait-kun, why don't you join in pointing out plot holes with the rest of us? I swear, it's just as much fun as failing to trigger people with low quality bait.

>>387575184
Well, it is a 'smart game' for 'smart players' after all.

>>387575301
>it is a 'smart game' for 'smart players' after all.
Did a review actually say this?

>>387566251
Now I played that a long ass time ago but I had zero problem. I think it took maybe 5 minutes total on hard.