>PC gaming is just as cheap as con-

>>387143235
soles
Also in the long run is cheaper

still waiting on my keyboard from there

>>387143352
said no one ever

>>387143235
>Cherry picking is a good substitution for an actual argu-

nice bait thread.

>not building your own computer

>>387143235
2749900 Euros! Holy fuck!

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>>387143235
Mee ny Jonne jo vittuu täältä. Koulut on jo alakanu

>>387143235
What kind of fucking language is that? Shokeish?

>>387143235
Yeah but can this run Crysis on max settings?

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>>387143507
take a wild guess

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>>387143235
>buying prebuilt

>>387143425
he just fucking said it dumbass

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>>387143235

Don't do this!

>>387143425
I'm saying it now.

>>387143235
>4 x titan
the microstutter has to be ridiculous

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>>387143507
ids BENIS lankuake :---DDDD

>>387143235
>x4 geforce titan
You know nothing in the next 10 years will ever even come close to using that shit

I never understood the
>PC gaming is cheaper
maymay.
Like with LITERALLY every hobby, higher grades of interest in a hobby will require better equipment, which is obviously bound to be more expensive.
Surfing with a 2000$ board is simply more enjoyable than surfing wtih a 20$ board.
Playing with a real rig is obiously going to be more enjoyable than playing on a 30fps 720p paperweight.

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>>387143570

A 1080ti is still at minimum $600 even if you buy a cheap chink knockoff.

Console gaming is cheaper, even if you buy into the online crap. You can get games on kijiji, or ebay for deals. Resales.

>>387143660
modded Skyrim or Morrowind would use 100% of that, now

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>>387143235
128 GB DDR4 RAM?!

>>387143235
>128gb of ram
Wew load 3 games into memory load at the speed of light

>>387143759

The problem with your analogy is it doesn't consider the secondary costs.

>entire PC with monitor and peripherals

You can build a pretty good setup for around 1200 dollars.

So what then? Well, you can find a bunch of cheap ass games on GoG/Steam.

Meanwhile, on consoles, if you intend to play online, you are definitely going to be paying 10 dollars a month for the privilege.

>owning a console 5 years = 700 dollars of online fees
>initial cost of 4-500 dollars
>and games seemingly never get as cheap as the shit you see on Steam, Humble Bundle, GoG

but yes, if you want to be an enthusiast who is always playing in the highest settings on the latest AAA multiplats, sure, PC can be more expensive.

>>387143425
perhaps if you take a pen and paper and make the calculations? or you're too retarded to even use a pen?

>>387143805
Everyone has to have a computer, it's non-negotiable. A 150$ GTX9604GB will run just about any game at high 60fps with reshade. Consoles are +400$ For worse performance and paid multiplayer. Also as a captive market you have higher prices on games.

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>>387143235
It is. And will save you hundreds of bucks in a long run too.

>>387144168
The fuck kind of ghetto build is that?
Why would you ever recommend that trash?

>>387144278
a budget rig to get started? Seems pretty solid to me.

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>>387143235
>128GB DDR4 RAM

>>387144168

Penny wise, but pound foolish.

This build will be completely obsolete shit a year after building it. A nice entry level set of tower components should end up around 700-800 dollars.

The 400 dollar " I can beat a console! " builds are always pure shit.

>>387144278
PS4 Pro killer.
Literally can 1080p/60fps almost everything on High settings, including but not limited to Witcher 3, RE7, GTAV... etc.

>>387143425
Spent 300 bucks on a pc like 7 years ago, only just felt like I should replace it last month. Also consider that you kind of need to own a pc as a human being alive in this era so spending an extra hundred bucks so you can add a few years of gaming to its capabilities isn't much of a risky investment.

Unrelated to costs but having all your games on a single platform that lasts forever is convenient as hell. I always feel so sorry for console and handheld users who get excited when an old game is ported to the current generation of their platform of choice, even though they're expected to buy it again.

>>387144087

You're forgetting a cpu, psu, mobo, hdd/ssd, fans, speakers, monitor, headphones.

>>387144408
>This build will be completely obsolete shit a year after building it.
No it won't. It already BTFO of my 1000€ build I did 5 years ago.

Not to mention upgrading that thing will be easy and cheap in the near future. Thanks to consoles holding progress back so much nowadays, even a decade old machines may still work "OK" with modern games.

>>387144087
Smartphones are starting to become mandatory too. People keep making shit that ties functionality to apps. Even some homeless people have smartphones

>>387144452
Oh I should also add, that's 300 canadian dollars, so basically pennies.

>>387144470

>include monitor/audio in PC price
>TV price is not included in console purchase
>cases don't come with fans attached ( they actually do )

This argument never fails to suck dicks.

>>387144594

stock fans are usual jank though

>>387144519

Sure, you can upgrade it, but then the cost is going up.

I'm an avid PC gamer, I just think shortchanging yourself with such a cheap build isn't worth it. Should always have dual channel RAM, and I would say 16 gigabytes worth is becoming more important now.

Also, that processor just isn't going to cut the mustard.

So if you're going to be upgrading it soon after building it, you might as well spend more building a better rig from the get go.

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>>387143235
>falling for the 128gb meme

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>2 Xenon CPUs for gaming

>>387144715
Most of them are just fine, especially if you a modern case that costs more than 30 yurobucks.

>>387143805
>Buying a top of the line consumer graphics card
>To compete with hardware that was out of date when it launched, not to mention years after its launch

Even with graphics card market prices for all the more mid tier cards getting fucked by miners there are cheaper alternatives.

>>387144715

I grant you that they often shit out. One of my case fans has a shitty bearing and makes a grinding noise for 5 minutes or so when I boot the PC up.

Still. You can own a nice enough PC and end up spending more or less what a console will cost you over it's lifetime.

And I actually enjoy tweaking and maintaining my builds. I don't mind if it costs more, it's fun.

>>387143564
>implying saunas hockey and vodka are exclusive to finland

>>387143235
this shit is more like a work station

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>>387144168
>dual core
>2000 and fucking 17

>>387143235
>20x 1Tb SSD
>13x GTX Titan

>>387145002

Considering their entire country has the population of an okay sized city, they have an incredible amount of hockey talent.

And basically every home/business has a sauna. They are obsessed with saunas.

They do make good vodka, but vodka is shit tier liquor at it's best anyway, so meh.

I'm more surprised the comic doesn't mention coffee, as Finns drink the fuck out of that shit.

>>387143564
wtf i love LE finland now???

>>387145002
Or that theyre even remotely good at playing hockey

>>387143235
>30k is more than pocket change for him
I heard console players were poor but not that fucking poor

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>>387145187
Thanks for the reminder, gonna brew a cup.

>>387144408
People always seem to forget the point is to beat a console. If it can run the game at a higher FPS or resolution it "beat" the console already, especially if it can run at higher graphical settings aside from resolution.

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>>387145368

No problem. Not even SUOMI but I'll join you.

Also, pic related is another strange obsession over there, I've learned.

>>387145408

Yeah, but at that point, I'd rather just own the console because devs will be optimizing games for that specific hardware for 5+ years ( admittedly, this trend seems to be changing )

Meanwhile, that shitty dual core processor is already going to be shitting bricks day one with certain games, and there is no way you'll enjoy playing anything new in 5 years on that hunk of sin.

>>387145569
Yes indeed. We love our Donald Duck. Don't know a single person who hasn't read it or doesn't know of it.

>>387143235
Who are you quoting?

>>387145685
You also have to factor in other stuff as well. Emulation, multimedia production, software development, cheaper games (usually), the ability to pirate, adjustable graphics settings, mods, support for older games without rebuying them are all major advantages PC has over a console.

>>387143235
desu that PC will last you 20 years

>>387144763
>Sure, you can upgrade it, but then the cost is going up.
Meanwhile, on consoles, you do not upgrade.
You slowly go from kinda-1080p (or 900p, if you're on normie PS4 / Xbone), to sub-1080p, then 720p...always at (jumpy) 30fps... until the system's ultimately forgotten altogether by devs.

>I'm an avid PC gamer,
But many other people are not. If you're a literal newbie to the whole PC shit, this kind of low-price builds will let you have a nice kickstart with the mustard-race's fancy capabilities in a cheap, comfortable fashion, without having to gimp your experience and drop settings much at all even with the biggest AAA blockbusters out now.

>Also, that processor just isn't going to cut the mustard.
You clearly haven't followed the budget-build circles much. Tons of amateur benchmarks have proven G4560 to be a vastly superior choice than even the current i3 chips, which is why Intel's kinda trying to get rid of the G4560 now.

>So if you're going to be upgrading it soon after building it, you might as well spend more building a better rig from the get go.
You will not NEED to upgrade it for at very least of 2 years. I can ensure you.
People greatly exaggerate the system requirements and service life of modern components. It's not like in the 00s anymore, when even cutting edge gaming PCs were borderline obsolete mere couple years later.

I have literally, personally found out that a 2009-era Core2duo + GTX 750 + 6GB DDR2 can still run ANY game out now at 1080p. Up the GPU, and it'd do fine.

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>>387143235
>$32,000 rig
>each component is several tens to several hundreds of times what current gen consoles have in terms of power and speed
>you can match or exceed the current gen for literally $500
>AHUHUHU MUSTARD RACE IS TOO EXPENSIVE

>>387145973

I mean, yeah, the quality of life on a passable PC is miles ahead of console.

I guess I'm just trying to say that paying a bit more for a good PC just further reinforces how fucking good PC is. You can do so much more with it than you can a console, and while I do own and play many consoles, PC is definitely where I spend most of my time.

>>387145569
>>387145883
Mickey is a fucking cunt though.

>>387145973
>turn off fxaa
>turn off motion blur
>turn off depth of field

Game is no longer blurry. That alone is worth it before all the other things you listed.

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ok dis good thread to ask. I got job now ($5.75 an hour) so I finally buy a PC. What's best bang for buck? I want cheap one but powerful I guess no more than $600?

>being poor
LOL

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>>387146210
True that.

>>387143235
what console has the performances of that thing?

>>387146369
Best bang for buck is to wait a year for crypto miners to fuck off and sell all their used shit. Other than that >>387144168 is a good starting point if you replace the pentium with a decent i5. Just make sure to replace the motherboard if you get a different cpu as it may not be compatible.

>>387143235
This is bait, but OP I could sincerely say you're still a retard.
>windows 10
>128gb of ram
>EIGHT FUCKING 1TB SSDs in raid 0
>TWO FUCKING XEON PROCESSORS
>FOUR 12gb Vram titan x
this is a server/engine/bitcoin coding machine not for gaming idiot.

>>387146369
Intel i5 (any model 2bh) + cheapest matching Motherboard + 8GB RAM + GTX 1060 + 500W 80+Bronze PSU.

Would serve you well at 1080p for many years, and if you play your cards right, can be built for mere 600 bucks.
If your budget doesn't hold up now, go with mere i3 CPU, or even that Pentium G4560.
The GTX 1050ti 4GB is also still enough for enjoyable 1080p/60fps gaming, but not all-Ultra.

PC gaming is cheaper than consoles if you buy the components preowned from a used condom shop in a Bangladeshi sewer.

If you can't afford it, don't buy it?

I've always owned a PC, consoles just don't interest me, it's nothing to do with money.

>>387144168
Anyone looking at this build as a starting point, I recommend saving up a little bit more cash and getting a Ryzen 3 processor

>>387144520
I've spent about 3000€ on my PC shit, but I don't have a smartphone.

>>387147005
There are zero console exclusives that interest you? What genre of games do you play

>>387146816
PC GAMING is cheaper than consoles by default, because you're not restricted to 79€ retail copies + tip, don't have to pay monthly fee to play online, and your basic controllers don't cost 60 bucks a piece.

You can also build a brand new, good gaming PC for the same amount of money as what Pro and Scorpion cost.

>>387144168
>dual core
Sufficient for watching streaming videos and playing modern flash games but not for gaming, at least not on high settings

>450w
If I were you, I'd shell out bit more for 500w or better

>>387147226
Smartphones are like $40 these days dude how and why do you not have one, unless you have no need for it.

>>387147279
Not him, but I mainly play FPS games. There isn't one exclusive FPS game that isn't Halo.

>>387147506
Killzone?
Resistance?

>>387147380
I have no need for one. I only text and make calls, I have a 20€ Nokia.

>>387147279
I liked metal gear solid 1 & 2, haven't played 3 but didn't like 4. Not interested in 5 even though it's available on PC.

>>387143425
it actually is. i spent around £1000 4 years ago on a fairly high end pc including peripherals and a ram upgrade 3 months ago, and it still kicks ass now. i actually got a 1070 for free because my gpu i bought at the time shat itself about 6 months ago so my pc is even better now. it will probably out perform even the ps5 and xbox two.

can't wait to get a high refresh monitor

>>387147372
>Sufficient for watching streaming videos and playing modern flash games but not for gaming, at least not on high settings
you'd be surprised:
https://youtu.be/hmPO6FJ0gjU

Huge majority of all games still rely way more on the GPU alone.
Also, it's 2-core with hyperthreading.

>If I were you, I'd shell out bit more for 500w or better
It's not 2006 anymore, mate.
The 1050ti literally doesn't require any connectors, and the overall power requirements of modern compontents are way lower than a decade back.

>>387144715
Case fans aren't as important as you think, specially if you are going mid range, because of low power consumption.

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>>387147372
Nah Pentium is still the budget king

>>387147279
Oh and I like older RPGs, tactical/strategy etc.

Honestly, I don't really need a PC this expensive, but I had money to spend.

>>387147652
>Not interested in 5 even though it's available on PC.
you shouldn't even consider 5 anyway before you do play 3 and Peace Walker. Which both are miles better than MGS5.

>>387147279
if i were to buy a console it would be an xbox 360 again or an xbox one to play those classic 360 games and halo master chief collection. other than the xbox, there isn't any console worth playing as the ps4 and wii u are utter trash with no worthwhile games unless you're some massive japanese fanboy queer.

that being said, i don't consider the switch to be a console as it's really meant to be a handheld to play on the go. i do think the switch is a good console and i'll buy one when it gets a few more games and a better battery

>>387146149
Did you not check the recent news? Ryzen 3 1200 is $119, pair it with $60-70 B350 mobo and overclock it (or not), 4c/4t is going to last you much longer, and AMD said they are supporting this platform for a few more years, where the G4560 is obsolete already and 1151 no longer supported.

>>387147997
good handheld*

>>387146587
>>387146809
>Recommending i5
Check >>387148018

>>387148018
>AMD CPU
Jesus living christ mate!

>muh support
literally means nothing for generic end consumer.

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>>387148210
>recommending AMD shit
kys >>>/out/

>>387148210
Hm. I haven't kept up on CPU stuff for a while and had no idea if ryzen was shit or not.

>>387143564
You're allowed to fuck your own dog in Finland.

>PC Gaming
>Pay slightly more for system
>Save money on games
>Console gaming
>Save very little on console
>Pay full price for games

>>387148234
>>387148308
To any would-be builders, this here is a very easy tell of who never to trust in these threads

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>>387148393
And marry your cousin.

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>>387148393
I'm pretty sure you are not, as beastiary in general's forbidden.

>>387143425
>Paying 500-1000 once every ten years
>paying 500-800 every two years

HMMMMMMMMM

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I am sorry 4chan you had to see this.
I am ashamed for my countrymen.

>d-don't buy 4 core cpu they're obsolete!
>all game require 8 threads now!
>b-but pls buy this $130 4 core processor for double the price of this value 4 thread processor

wow

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>This bait

>>387144087
It's negotiable. I bought a laptop that satisfies basic needs because I need to take it with me for my job. I could have purchased a gaming laptop or both a laptop and gaming PC, but that's no longer a necessity anymore

>>387148581
You can marry your cousin in a bunch of countries. it's usually just frowned upon.

>>387148721
Some fuck was trying to recommend an i3 7350k the otherday as well. It's bananas what's going since ryzen launched. Six years of no progress and it's finally happening.

What's happening is mainsteam cpu performance catching up to near where it should be by now.

>>387145002
>>387145195
fuk u leaf

>>387148587
Fucking an animal isn't exactly forbidden in law, but I think you could land yourself an animal cruelty charge for it though.

Never forget the guy who let the pig fuck him though, what a hero

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>PS4: $400
>Around 4 years of PSplus: $200
>PS4 Pro: $450
So just to stay current in the console race you must pay $1050 over the course of just 4 years, yet a 4 year old $1050 gaming PC takes a hot shit all over the PS4 Pro... SAD!

>>387148587
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bestiality_by_country_or_territory
You totally are.

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>>387148308
Say it with me

>>387145195
>Finns
>Good at anything except killing Russians
Just kidding, Finns are a pretty cool bunch of people.
t. Sweden

>>387143235
>Euro's
So this is probably in some shithole eastern country

>>387149158
Don't forget 50-80$ for every new game, some 20-30 bucks extra for DLC shit or "special edition" releases, and 50-70 bucks for the exclusive "gaymer gear" that includes normal gamepads.

>>387149158
>PS4
>$400
I'm on PC's side but where the fuck are you pulling that number out of your ass? You can find one at a pawn shop for like 200 bucks.

>>387148581
Sako is olev.

>>387147349
You're not restricted to buying full priced retail games on console either and have the choice of selling your game when you're done

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>>387148234
>>387148308
https://www.techspot.com/review/1450-core-i7-vs-ryzen-5-hexa-core/page9.html

With a 1080Ti in July 2017 - AGESA 1006 and recent game patches using DDR4-3200MHz

>>387149264
You're the asshole big brother to us, but we still love you. I guess you could say we have Stockholm Syndrome.
T. Finn

>>387149350
At launch of course, that's why I said over the course of 4 years. Any real PCbro would have a passable reading comprehension, you are an imposter

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>>387149265
wew

>>387149405
If you want to play the very latest, hottest titles, you pretty much are.

Meanwhile, I can just look up the best CD-key deals online, and buy a brand new 60€ game for mere 25€. Or a few months old 30€ game for less than 15. And later on, you'll have legit Steam and GOG sales that can drop prices by 80%.

On top of that, most online gaming retailers now provide refund services, and you can even trade and "borrow" games with friends. I must have saved hundeds of buckaroos by buying only one copy of a game, and then using the Family Share function with people I know.

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>>387148587
>Aila that small
>No Mugi

>>387143805
not on the long run, also when you're done with the couple of good exclusives you have a nice paperweight

My friend who's a CS major is trying to tell me that a server machine can perform to the same degree as a high end PC for far less. Is he bullshitting?

>>387150004
Do servers even have GPUs?

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>>387148587
You forgot Helsinki in GBF S1 when Meatbuns beats Kaiser and pic related in S2.

>>387147279
Not who you're replying to but this is much easier than you think. I don't know about XBox exclusives but the only exclusive I've felt any real interest in the PS4 was Nioh. I admit there's a bunch of shit on the switch that I wanna try, like the new Mario games (both Oddyssey and Rabbids XCom), but I assume the emulator won't take that long to work anyway.

I don't really like hack and slash, racing or souls-type stuff, so consoles are becoming less and less interesting for me.

>>387149665
Even so, Amazon Prime and Best Buy offer discounts on retail games, and if you sell your new copy once you're done playing it, you can end up making almost all your money back.

For instance, I bought Cave Story + for the Switch for $25 and could sell it for that much. $2.50 seller fees and about the same for shipping, I just played a new release (well, new re-release) for $5

>>387143805
You do realize a 1080ti is like 6x the graphical power of a PS4 right, you console niggers are so fucking retarted I hate sharing a board with bottom feeders

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>>387150051
>GBF
what the fuck's that?
Plus, it's not my picture, and already few years old.

>>387150004
Usually less on a per system cost, as many companies buy in bulk, driving the cost down. Best place to get stuff is from school or business surplus at an auction or rummage sale type thing.

>>387150043
No. Most companies just SSH into them and work from there.

>>387150004
you can get old xeons + server mobos for quite cheap

>>387143235
I have 500 dollars to spare, /v/. help me build a mid-range pc

>>387143235
Can't believe no one posted it yet
>TORILLE

>>387147372
The vast majority of games do not utilize more than a single CPU core and the sliver of a fraction of the rest can use more than two. Quad cores are a meme.

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>>387150504

>>387143564

Where do you ski in Finland with almost no mountains? (see lake's pic)
Why would you want to swim in a cold frozen lake full of mosquitoes?
Why does Finns commit so much suicide if Finland Fuck Yeah?
Do you look like a mongol?

>>387150602
That's not true anymore.

>>387150696
>needing a slope to ski
Absolute fucking pleb detected

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>>387150630

>>387150202
Oh and Xbox has a similar family share option as well. My buddy gave me his old Xbox One and I'm able to download all of the games he's purchased

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pc gaming in expen-

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>>387150797

>>387150819
R Y Z E N 3

>>387143235
wtf i hate pc gaming now

>>387150819
Will this run witcher 3 at 1080p ?

>>387151014
Yes

>>387150819
Hah, I did a bit better at >>387144168

>>387151049
Fuck yeah. Imma get this build then. Thanks anon.

>>387144278
An affordable one.

>>387143425
>buy console then a REFRESH some years laters plus internet right fee
thats a lot more than $1000 and you can make a better PC with that money

>>387151098
No no no get a Ryzen 3 processor. Slightly more expensive but will last you much longer than a Intel Pentium which only has two cores

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>>387151014
yep

>>387151014
maybe even 60fps on medium

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>>387150051
>>387149769
>S3 never
Thanks for running the series into the ground with S2, Sunrise.

>>387151220
To be honest i dont care about high graphic settings. medium is fine for me i just want a rig that will play smoothly even if its on low settings

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>>387143235
https://youtu.be/NSyIzGfTEBA

>>387150449
hit craigslist

It doesn't count, Finland has a +6774.75% tax on computers. In any other country, it would be the same price a s a PS4 Pro.

>>387143416
What keyboard?

>>387143235
PC is objectively more expensive. Far mpre so actually.
Anyone that denies this is a dumb fanbase shitposter.

That doesn't however mean that PC gaming isn't superior. It is.

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>>387143564

>>387148369
Ryzen 3 1200 overclocked is on par with the i3 7560k at stock (4.2Ghz), but has double the amount of cores, and costs $60 less, plus you would have to get a Z motherboard to overclock it

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>>387143235
>console gaming is ch...

>>387151614
Qpad MK-50 with the Reds. They didn't have any on stock, and the date on when they get more has been pushed further and further.

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>>387145187
>Considering their entire country has the population of an okay sized city, they have an incredible amount of hockey talent.

>>387143235
Why are you buying a 20,000 euro pc, you have got a work pc haven't you?

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I can wait to save up $13,600 to buy a PS4.

>>387152065
So youre paying extra just for a fancy case?

>>387152065
Who buys shit like this?

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>>387152065
>says LUXURY right on front of console
so tasteful

>>387143235
>8 drives in RAID 0

Enjoy your dead system

So the xbox 1 x will just run current games better?

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>>387152134

>>387152134
>>387152121
Wouldn't expect the peasant race to know anything about the luxurious living of console connoisseurs

>>387152318
no one knows what you're talking about, fag.

>implying miners didn't stop it from being cheaper

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>>387143235
Implying you cant get good prebuilt deals

>>387152421
>peasant race
>console

>>387143425
>have to replace your console more often than you have to replace PC parts or buy a new rig
>console games generally cost more, always 60 dollars a pop while a lot of PC games are cheaper than that
>have to pay for your online twice with a console, a fee that adds up
Yes.

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>>387143235
>prebuilt

>>387152521
NeoGAF awaits you console friend

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>>387143235
>Think I need a new graphics card
>Buy new 1080Ti
>GPU arrives
>Realize all current AAA games aren't worth playing
>End up playing Dwarf Fortress and late 90s isometric RPGs again
Why do I go through this every other year?

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>>387144168
>no poptarts

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>>387149646
frogs and burgers get in line, if you beg hard enough you just might get pounded by the big bong cock

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>>387149264
>Killing Russians

2 CPUs, 128gb of ram, 8 TB SSDs, 4 titans

But only windows 10 pro

>>387148018
Ryzen 3 is a bit meh for gaming unless you're really on a budget, you get neither the fabled multithreaded grunt nor the clockspeeds to make up for it unless you're lucky with the silicon lottery. R5 1600 is where it's at.

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>>387144519
>No it won't become obsolete, it already makes something older obsolete

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>>387148587
Little Witch Academia has a bunch of references to Fnland.

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>>387143235

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>>387154157

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>console
>plug it to the wall, pop the disc in
>play it leisurely on your king size couch with your bros and hos

>PC
>spend a week putting it together
>it doesn't boot up
>build it from scratch it again once or twice
>boots up
>spend a day installing necessary drivers and software
>you have to download the game from the cloud, takes like day or two
>game finishes installing
>it needs to download a patch or two
>boot it up, it doesn't work
>try to Google it but the internet doesn't work because your ISP messed something up
>make a phone call to your ISP
>they fix your internet after a few days
>go Google instructions how to fix your game
>update hardware and software drivers
>download a fix from some obscure russian porn site
>finally it works
>at this point your back hurts because you are hunched over a keyboard like a caveman
>tinker around with the graphics settings (FXAA, MSAA, AA, AO, let's be real no one knows that these mean)
>game runs poorly because it's a bad port
>game keeps crashing because it's running on a typewriter instead of a game machine
>a virus corrupts your savegame and steals your bank card account
>at this point you've consumed so much mountain dew and doritos that you got diabetes

>>387143425
>have to pay for your own internet
>have to pay more for your games
>cannot upgrade individual hardware pieces, have to buy a completely new console every few years
>no mods
>almost no exclusives
>no mouse+keyboard, every shooter plays like shit
>no emulators
>silky smooth 30 fps, meanwhile PC has 144
>holding back hardware development
>holding back video games because they are forced to downgrade their own game to accustom to inferior console hardware

Consoles are exclusively made for retarded shit eaters. Kill yourself.

>>387143235
my pal gave me his pc when he fucked off to another country and i pirate all my games its been far cheaper using that than my xbone or playstation dont know what youre on about op

Why are people still buying prebuilt (other than just being literally mentally retarded)

Why wouldn't you want to custom tailor your machine to yourself and probably also save money in the process?

>>387153762
R3 is competing with the locked i5s. That's where it really shines. The 7400 is an absolutely retarded buy now that it exists.

I mean the 1600 is great and all but it's almost twice the money.

>>387144168
>no case
what the fuck?

>>387156664
Just put it on a piece of wood or something, shit's fine.

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>>387154157

>>387143805
even 1050 are way much better graphical power than your 900p/30fps console

>>387144763
>I am a retard

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>>387150819
It's still shit compared to Ps4pro gpu, get over it.

>>387158017
It's quite comparable. Maybe not exactly the same, but an underclocked polaris chip really isn't anything to write home about.

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My PC is becoming a little outdated, I would say, which components are the most urgent to replace?

>>387158854
OS with a non-botnet.

>>387158985
Physical components

>>387158854
GPU most definitly.

A $150 1050ti will be 4-5 times faster. CPU and RAM are still okay.

Also, look at your PSU and make sure that's not a fire hazard, and still up to par.

>build pc for 600 bong in 2012
>still runs modern games well enough
>no online fees
>cheap games
>can use it for more than just vidya
>emulators
How can consoles even compete?

>>387159160
>check local price for 1050ti
>240 USD
fuck

>>387159536
BR get out

>>387159691
Norway

>>387158854
RAM and CPU are fine, 640 sucks dick

>>387159718
And you can't take a quiet trip to sweden to snag one for euro prices?

>>387159737
Yes, I have to play every modern game windowed at min settings, so I figured that.
>>387159774
I don't think Sweden is much cheaper when it comes to electronics. Besides, our exchange rate is fucked right now

Should I even bother upgrading my 970 if I'm only playing 1080p? Got it like 2 years ago. Is the 1070 and up the only real options I have? Because I really don't want to pay the new cryptocuck tax on those. I was thinking of going either 1440p or 144hz 1080p in the future.

>>387159895
What do you guys even have oil money for if nothing is affordable anyways

>>387159929
So long as you stay on 1080p literally no point in upgrading.

>>387159969
I don't actually have any problems affording it, my inner merchant is just screaming in agony.

>>387146587
Do you genuinely believe buying used GPUs after they've been running 24/7 for god knows how long is a sound idea?

>>387160084
Well then you'll be happy to hear that one minute of actually searching let me find one for 1600 nko.

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RIDDLE ME THIS OP

>>387160228
That's a little better. I'll look more into it when I get time.

>>387160141
Yes it is, as long as the thing is still working there is no reason not to if you are on a budget, retard.

>>387160141
Given that they've usually been undervolted the whole time, I don't see an issue.

>>387147372
1050Ti uses 75W, that's twice as less as a shit card of the older gen and 4 times less than a 780Ti.

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ah yes, really loving those expensive gaming pc memes

>>387160763
Can you not use this piece of shit PSU

Like, the S12II is dirt cheap these days

>>387143235

Kasaa itse, uusavuton.

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>>387143507

>>387143235
can someone convert this into a currency that matters?

>>387160942
After conversion and removing the insane VATs in Europe, Euro and Dollar come out nearly 1:1

>>387160486
>as long as the thing is still working there is no reason not to
Working for how long? 4 months? I guess buying a non-refundable gpu that could give out at any moment is a good "budget" option in your head.
If you absolutely have to buy used - buy from the people who upgrade every 6 months and have barely used their gpus, instead of fucking miners.

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>>387160813
just for u bby pls contain ur autism

>>387159774
202 dollars here

>>387160942
Which is?

>>387153809
Obsolete would mean that it's literally useless this day and age.
If my half a decade machine has no problems playing shit at 1080p/60fps today, and a much cheaper, more modern lil' PC can do it even BETTER nowadays, shit is far from "obsolete" now, and certainly won't turn into one overnight.

>>387161398

I would say the same about my 7 year old rig but then again the only original parts left are the USB-sockets and the disc drive.

>>387161035
Are you implying that GPU's only last 4 months after they were used for the first time, retard? I am pretty sure my 970 has lasted for more than 4 months. I am also pretty sure it will last for more than 4 months if I were to sell it right now.

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>>387144802
feels good man
these were $20 each when I got them
going to upgrade to X5687's soon

>>387153247
Literally nobody uses your backwards pre-kilogram money outside of your inbred island though.

>>387161860
>he didn't sell his 480

please tell me you mine

>>387160763
If $520 is expensive for what is likely your main hobby than you are poor as shit. Your mom probably paid $800 for some shitty pre built 7 years ago

>>387161980
I tried selling it on ebay but the faggot never sent payment

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>>387162017
I think you need some reading comprehension lad

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Anyone have experience with $20 (after $15 rebate with Newegg) Raidmax mid towers?

what computer is worth $27 million?

>>387162358
>he fell for meme-in rebate
and no raidmax is a plastic piece of shit

>>387162358
If you're okay with "It's a metal box that my parts are in" it'll do.

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>>387160909

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>>387160763
>>387161112
>1300X
>Not 1200

>>387155409

>144
but im running at 165 anon

>>387143658
that is the greatest caption ED has ever made

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>>387143235
> he fell for the 128GB RAM meme

>buy PC
>exclusives consist of indie trash and other garbage
>forced to buy 3rd party scraps from consoles
>tons of games don't even work properly and require fixes before you can play them properly and this varies from one build to another
>at least $100-$250 more expensive than consoles including mouse, keyboard, monitor, headset, operating system, and controller which these threads often times don't list
>all the latest most talked about games are being developed exclusively for consoles

B-B-BUT I'm still playing console scraps at 1080p/60fps!!!! Take that console cucks! P-PC master race! Right, right? ;_;

>>387161721
I'm saying usage, especially constant usage shortens the card's lifespan, dipshit.
>I am pretty sure my 970 has lasted for more than 4 months
Oh that settles it then!

>>387143868
in case you wanted to run the space program in the background.

>>387146369
> making less then minimum wage

You getting paid under the table Paco?

>>387164353
Constant usage is typically better than on/off, as temperatures remain constant and fans don't go through on/off cycles.

And given that they'll be undervolted, they'll also be under less stress than gaming usage.

>>387143235
The people who say PC gaming is "cheap" are the same motherfuckers who ironically have a Steam account worth $5000 and most of it is backlog.

>>387162568
Gotcha, I'll steer clear of Raidmax. Only mentioned the rebate because of price, probably just end up buying everything at the Micro Center near me

>>387163696
I don't want to overclock

>>387165359
>I don't want free extra performance

>>387143564
Kuka hiippailee pois Suomi-neidon aitan liepeiltä?
Neidon, jonka kupeet huokuvat nyt ikuista kylmyyttä.

>>387165770
I don't want to kill my cpu faster

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>>387143759
Why is surfing on a $2000 board more fun than a $20 board?

>>387165991
so what you're saying is you're an idiot

>>387166072
Texture, balancing, aquadynamics

>>387143235
yes because you need 8 ssds and 4 gfx cards... also its pre made and from some shitty country with high prices, you can build same pc for 1/3 in normal countries + you dont need it anyway as it is overkill even for next few years.. bait may work

>mfw Intel has made it that new gen of CPU's won't work properly unless you get Win10
>I'm still on the original i7 920, 24GB DDR3, 780GTX Super Jetstream
>I want to build a Cannonlake PC next year (a CPU they've delayed 3 times because AMD is so pathetic that Intel are happy to take their time and cut costs)

I'll save up and build a mega machine.

>>387166731
>mfw Intel has made it that new gen of CPU's won't work properly unless you get Win10
That's actually Microsoft trying to goad everyone into using Win10. Intel and AMD would be more than happy to keep serving the enterprise market that likes to stick with older versions, but MS simply doesn't want that to happen.

>spent 700 on my initial setup
>over time have replaced numerous parts with hand-me-downs from my brother
>have bought ~$200 worth of replacement parts over time
>have had computer since 2010
>rarely buy games, can pirate anything single player
>over ten thousand hours of playtime on this thing
>$900 investment
Consoles couldn't come close to this.

>>387143235
PCs can be *almost* as cheap as consoles if you put in the effort to make them from scratch. But if you don't want to make a PC on your own, fear that you might bought the wrong hardware that is incompatible with your games, or other reason, consoles are far cheaper (especially if you wait for holidays).
But price shouldn't matter as much when deciding which to get. Both PCs and Consoles are huge investments you simply can't just get instinctively.

>>387167215
By the way 700 includes 120 for my monitor which I would've needed for a console as well, so I think it's more fair to so 580 for my initial setup, 780 over its lifetime.

>>387167215
>rarely buy games, pirate everything singleplayer
Opinion literally discarded

>>387143235
This post made me laugh.

>>387167348
>literally
Opinion discarded faggot

>>387167421
>faggot
opinion discarded meanie

>buy used I5 for 100 bucks
>put new RAM in it for 50 bucks
>put a 1050 TI in it for 150 bucks
$300 rig that'll play everything at 60+FPS

I think I'm going to get a SSD for it down the road, but I play PUBG and everything else just fine.

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>consolefags and pcbros shitting up /v/ again

if you're not and idort you should just get instabanned from this shithole to prevent it from getting even more shitty

get the fuck out

>>387167495
there are more than three components to a computer, also where can you get used parts that cheap?

>>387167059
desu if someone sold this keyboard in this country I'd probably get it. That or a type heaven.

>128gbs or RAM
???

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>>387150223
It's probably Gundam Build Fighters.

>want to buy a car
>$30,000

what the fuck? why can't cars be like $300?

>>387167842
Buy used m8

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Rate my new build, I will use Evolveo RAY 4 as a case, I have all the rest from my old setup.

>>387144087
ex GTX960 user here
it sucks, PS4 is better than that

>>387167842
>he doesnt know
you can get used cars for £400 where i live

>>387167869
>locked i5 while ryzen is a thing
>blower style fan

shit/10

>>387143235
I just sold a knife I got in csgo for $400, gonna get some new PC hardware. Seems like PC gaming kinda pays for itself OP.

>>387167869
Fuck, forgot to change the VGU, I'm gonna use a Gainward 1060 6gb instead of this one.

>>387162301
You /really/ should go to 650 and get 16gb ram.

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>>387143235

>128gb ram

for what purpose?

>>387161860
"gainestown"

want.

>>387167951
I don't OC and don't want to even try it, i5 gives more FPS than amd, I changed the VGU to a fan variant from gainward

fuckoff/10

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>>387168492
This is how we end up with people whining about why PC gaming sucks

>>387166731
Does Ryzen work with W7?

>>387152540
>paying extra for pajeets poopstained fingers touching your pc

if you dont build your own pc you should just kys my man

>>387143235
Still waiting for decent PSN deals....

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>>387168086
ultimate power

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You are like a babby to me

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>>387143235
>never had a gaming PC before
>friend offers to sell me his 970/i5 rig for a measly £350 (including peripherals)

Future's looking bright.

>>387144452
I feel bad for people who restrict them to one platform. I have a ps4, switch, ps vita, ps3, wii u, 3ds, and a high end pc. Feels good to be able to experience everything and not miss out on anything.

>>387170904
fortunatly, wihtout a mainboard, none of that will ever explode

>>387146369
Used office Dell or Hp with i5 should cost you around 70$ + 1050ti and your at PS4 Pro level
If its a atx case you can buy a PSU(new)+gtx 970 used
Best price performance out there by far

>>387143235
But does it come with a pallet of Pop-Tarts and six monitors?

I want to buy a pc but not build one. Is it impossible to dream?

>>387167910
lol
PS4 is waaaay worse than a Gtx960

I guess you think 720p and 900p gaming is superior to 1080p gaming

>>387143235
So is the PSU for the 4xSLI TITAN some chink shit? Pre-builts usually cheap out on the PSU and fans.

>>387172036
1x ax1500i

>>387150203
>6
feels like it should be more than that. Lets say 10

>>387171285
I really want to get a PS4

But it doesn't seem worth it.

What is even worth it on it? I don't like souls style games.

>>387167910
GTX 960 user here. I run a lot of games really well.

>>387143235
>4x titan xp
Dosnt the maxwell line only support 2way sli?

>>387143564
That's the same as fucking Michigan.

>>387172406
uncharted series, horizon zero dawn?

I think that's about it if you don't like jap games or souls style

I also was considering getting one, but there are few exclusives worth playing on the PS4

What computer games are even coming out to make a powerful PC worth owning?

>>387148393
wtf i love Finland now

>>387168086
>he doesn't like playing 50 games at once

>27 499,00

what

>>387144087
>Everyone has to have a computer
This is becoming a weaker argument as time goes on and normies transition to doing everything exclusively on their phone. As someone who primarily plays on PC, it's pretty obvious that it's a luxury expense to own a "gaming" PC. I don't necessarily see it as a point against the platform.

>>387143235
>>PC gaming is just as cheap as con-
not even consoles from 2090 can match this pc you dumb cunt

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I know its a bait thread but I'm putting together a little multimedia machine to use on my TV for PC games that are good with a controller and I don't need to run in 4K ultra settings.

>>387143805
>a car is cheaper than a tank
what did he mean by this?

>>387173242
>GT 1030
>i3
Fuck no anon. What's your budget?

>>387143805
£150 nVidia 1050 will run all console-PC multiplat at console-or-better settings.
Hell, a £60 1030 will manage about half of them at least.

>>387143823
>Morrowind
No it wouldn't you fucking moron

>>387173507
You mean 1050ti?
Normal 1050 are 100quid

>>387173650
yeah sorry i specifically mean the 4GB Ti, but the £100 2GB version would still match console performance 99% of console-PC multiplats