What would /v/ use 30% of Steam's profit for?

>>386650351
Hedonism, probably.

>>386650351
Invest in server infrastructure and cusotmer support

>>386650351
Offer hiroshimoot all of it and try to buy 4chan.

>>386650351
pissing off people like that

>>386650536
You want to be a literal shitlord don't you?

>>386650351
Lootbox opening simulator where you still pay for the lootboxes, but the only thing you can do with the items is post screenshots of your avatar online.

>>386650689
I want to be king of the scrapheap, yes.

some people actually like card games though, there's nothing wrong inherently with that as a genre

>>386650864
We have Hearthstone, TES:Legends, and Gwent. Not to mention tons of smaller, less-promoted card games.

We do not need Valve to spend money that could be spent on SP games instead chasing stupid trends.

>>386650946
But we already have SP games anon.

>>386651040
We need better ones, most of them are just generic open world cashgrabs.

>call yourself a *gamer*
>card/board/discrete games aren't real games to you
>whine about the latest walking simulator or multiplayer deathmatch collect a crate athon

really makes you think...

>>386650946
yeah because theres far less single player games than the small handful of card games. and every major online card game right now is heavily pay to win, while if we follow past trends by valve is that they only sell things that don't actually effect gameplay like skins and cosmetics

What game is that comment referring to? I'm really curious what they did previously.

>>386650710
>but the only thing you can do with the items is post screenshots of your avatar online.
Aren't we generous. I wouldn't give them an avatar to put them on, just the items themselves.
We all know they would still be satisfied with just that anyway and I would be rolling in literal free money.

>>386650447

This, if you're gonna shoot a fucking baby in the head, just do it where i cant see it rather than record it and release it as a game on steam

did valve make a card game?

>>386651194
I've heard Hearthstone is very much not P2W.

Also, it's a fucking card game. Do you think YuGiOh Structure Decks are enough to top tournaments?

>>386651216

Valve thenselves are releasing a new game for the first time in maybe a decade give or take and its a fucking dota card game

Or something like that

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Make L4D3, have multiple characters, have a loot cosmetic system so everybody can customise their survivors and their zombies.
Then think if it should be F2P or P2P.
Then let the fans make most of the cosmetics and pay them 5% of the price

>>386651330
yes a dota-based card game. people actively booed the announcement

>complaining about some card shit when Valve has been pure cancer for about 5 years now
When did everyone's appreciation for Valve die? Mine was Portal 2. I picked up that turd on launch because I assumed it'd just be a better version of 1, and all I got was dumbed down puzzles with "shoot portals here" signposts everywhere.

The highpoint of Valve was the orangebox, obviously. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking retard.

>>386651353
>Hearthstone is very much not P2W
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH


HS is literally the most jewish digital tcg on the market

>>386651417
I just found that from google, and holy shit. Out of all things they could've done they decide to make a fucking card game? People must be really pissed off.

>>386651353
>i've heard Hearthstone is very much not P2W

Decks powerful enough to get into the Legend rank use all legendaries

Literally

Good lucking getting a fucking full deck of legendaries in under 2 years without paying a cent

>>386651459
>people actively booed the announcement
No they didn't.

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I would make a card game

but a cool card game not a gay card game, just make it into a normal game except with deckbuilding mechanics
and sell full expansions for like 20 bucks a pop, not jewy booster packs

>>386651353
hearthstone isn't pay to win. its pay to play. and that amount being in the $100-$300 range for reasonable decks. it also doesn't help that the design choices they made over the expansions aren't very fun.

>>386651353
It really is, not that is bad for a card game. But the person that spend 200 bucks in the new expansion will get enough of the cards and build the newest best meta deck, while if you don't pay or just Pay a little, you will not go far and get the best cards of the expansion

>>386651469
Aw c'mon Portal 2 was definitely worse than Portal 1,but it wasn't bad. What it lacked in gameplay it made up in atmosphere and story

>>386651530

They very much are

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https://twitter.com/nickisnixed/status/895091539025698816/video/1
>AWWWW

>>386651469
And yet even The Orange Box was just to get everyone hooked onto Steam.
Honestly everything at Valve has been a calculated market move, except Portal 2. Which surprises me: that's the only time they made a Single Player game purely because they wanted to make a game better and not just "oh sell the new engine" or whatever.

>>386651559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4jPtrDCLo

alright

>>386651353
hearthstone is in fact very much pay to win, and thats the advantage of a digital fucking cardgame over a physical one, a company is able to try new methods of making money over selling packs. side note- yugioh is a really awful cardgame with horrible balance issues created by the power curve caused by having to constantly pump the power level of new sets to sell packs

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>>386651559

>>386651498
>>386651553
>>386651617
>>386651626
So it's like every single other card game then? Jesus Christ how young are you people.

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A rocket car and a solid gold house

>>386650351
i'd build a giant pussy and live inside it

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Man what the fuck do the people at Valve even use that money for? They've got Steam, the Steam Community Market, Dota 2, CS:GO, TF2, and yet they still need more fucking money and for WHAT?

>>386651353
Someone correct me on this

But arent there cards you can only get from Naxxramus? And dont you HAVE to pay to play it past the first floor?

>>386651731
this argument is bullshit for a bunch of reasons but the biggest is that you can't trade or sell your cards. If you play magic you could open a pack and pull a 20+ dollar rare out of it. In hearthstone you can only disenchant for dust which is not even close to crafting a legendary you need

>>386651731
no. you don't know shit about card games. For example my favorite card game is Lord of the Rings LCG by Fantasy Flight. You get all the cards in a single purchase when a new expansion comes out no booster pack bullshit.

>>386651630
>What it lacked in gameplay it made up in atmosphere and story
It took the humorous and offbeat ramblings of a crazy robot, and turned it into pure absurdity with a host of wacky characters.

>>386651676
Regardless of the intention, it was a great move at the time, 30 bucks for 5 games? It showed the potential of digital distribution, which was then quickly killed as they become a monopolistic monster and mocked the very concept of sales.

>>386651731
>So it's like every single card game
That's why I said it isn't that bad for a card game.
And to be fair, I can't remember the name of this other card game, that just sells you the expansion and that's it instead of selling you boosters

>>386651731
Physical card games have monetary value attached to them.
HS does not, I expect to get more free shit playing HS than I do playing physical MTG but the reality is the opposite.

But instead Blizzard has no idea how to run a game and instead just coasts of their brand name and eceleb shilling.

>>386651284
Implying you play/buy shit outside Steam.

>>386651553
this is just completely bullshit

>>386651731
well gee so if theres alot of garbage cardgames in the market i guess that means we should never let someone make one that isn't garbage

>>386651831
>and for WHAT?
Gabe needs to eat. A lot.

>>386651686
So thats supposed to be booing? i guess i have been wrong all my life Kek

>>386651498
Well it IS Blizzard

>>386651831
Gaben really needs some more knives, I guess. It's weird, you'd think they had stockholders with how utterly safe they're playing everything, but it just seems like a nightmare of piss-poor management and lazily riding the virtual item market. I really wish a government would step in and stop them, what they're doing is blatantly against a lot of anti-child gambling laws, but politicians are so incompetent they don't even know what the internet is.

>>386651831
Corporate greed.

>>386651835

you are right

blizzdrones can't accept the facts

How hard can it be to make a new Portal game? Churn out a new test subject, new tests and done.

>>386651731

Except that

A) you cant trade for cards with friends/ other people, so excess cards are useless, you can only trade them in for credit (dust), the value of which, per card, blizzard gets to jew you on at their leisure

B) Blizzard is the only entity that exists that can distribute or sell these cards, unlike in real life where there are webaites and card shops where you can get them in the cheap

I can build a competitive Commander/EDH infinite combo deck in MTG for literally 20 US dollars

20

US

Dollars

>>386652076
>>386652076
>what they're doing is blatantly against a lot of anti-child gambling laws
you're retarded, buying a mystery box toy is not gambling;

>>386652036
It's audible disappointment

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>>386650351
>I got into making games because of you people

What a fucking retard, holy shit.

I'd assume the roll of a successful person then do what I do now.

>>386651831
>hurr durr capitalism

>>386652257
Buying a mystery box toy that you can sell for 500 bucks sure as shit is gambling.

>>386651731
God can you fucking pretend MTG fags shut the fuck up already

If you actually played IRL card games you'd know the exact reason why digital ones should cost significantly less. You don't get an actual THING. A physical THING that you can trade, lend, borrow, sell, whatever.

Hearthstone cons you into buying essentially wholly worthless cards that you can do nothing with aside from devalue them by 75% of their worth.

>>386650351
How much money would that be?

>>386652076
Game studios close left and right after a project ends because they can't manage themselves as an actual business properly. Yet you call Valve poorly run and lazy despite being incredibly stable and successful.

>Half Life 3
>went from hype
>to meme
>to forgotten
>to post-modern meme
>to actually finally dead

>>386651731
I can hold my lighting bolts in my hands.

>>386651420
Are those jeans for sale somewhere? I'd like to feel festive for Halloween.

>>386652418
both are overcosted
mtg cards are fucking 0.001$ pieces of cardboard

>>386652290
How is that retarded at all?

>>386652387
selling products you bought still isn't gambling, there's plenty of collectable toys that sell on the secondary market for more than they are bought for originally, better ban all card game packs too, some of the rares in those are worth more than the packs

>>386651109
>people who don't like the games I like aren't hardcore gamers like me hahaha casuals

>>386652225
You also have alternate play modes for your cards with physical cards.

Good luck playing custom drafts with your friends.

>>386652518
But the point is that as long as there are other dumb goyim willing to pay, you can get your money back or at least trade it for something else if you don't need it. This concept doesn't exist in digital card games at the moment. Once you commit to buying it's a one way street.

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>>386651657
the sound of completely missing the mark

>>386651353
At least with Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon or magic you can hold the physical card and or resell them. Digital = can't do shit after you're done with the game.

>>386652580
the point just went over your head. i was criticizing people who call themselves gamers who dont even like games and then when companies give them what they want they complain its shit.

>>386652518
>mtg cards are fucking 0.001$ pieces of cardboard
Money is incredibly cheap paper too fedoralord.

But it has this little thing called perceived value just like MTG cards allowing me to barter it for other things.

>>386652457
Thing is, at this point it's a given that every person who owns a PC will buy it when it eventually releases, so why not take advantage of the rubes who currently waste hundreds of dollars on virtual cosmetics? That;s not going to last forever, might as well do it while it's relevent I guess. I mean fuck, they even give you some shit with the DotA compendium and will be taking them away when the compendium finishes.
That's how retarded the Valve fanbase is, they can be distracted with a gaudy, awful model that spews particle effects.

>>386650504
Fuck infrastructure, the servers work fine 90% of the time. Put it all into customer support and store curation. Have a team of 20 people do nothing but check out every single game trying to get on steam and, armed with a 1000 page genre definition bible, assign strict genre tags like AAA, AA and so forth. Keep community tags for the memes but no longer allow developers to set their own genre tags.

>>386650351
I'd build my own Star Citizen, but with Black Jack and Hookers

>>386652924
I'd play it. That's really all Star Citizen needed.

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>>386650351
>We just can't hire more people to work on TF2, it's just not something that we can do. 5 people are the most we can have working on one of the games that, despite being 10 years old, keeps being one of the highest-earning games on the entire platform every year.

>By the way we're making Hearthstone

I hate card games too but I'm not going to whine about this. The valve hate meme is going so far that I can't take it seriously anymore, people just want to complain because they can complain.

>>386652452
They don't produce games. You can shit on companies like Sony and Microsoft as much as you want, but they at least are TRYING to make new titles with cancerous exclusivity deals. What has Valve done for PC gaming? They're number one, they make an insane amount of money off children buying virtual trash, and yet none of that money goes into anything.

I can't respect them. Companies that take a shot and die off are a million times better than ones that refuse to rock the boat, even if they have another 20 boats lined up.

>>386652756
I don't think that's entirely true. Enough time has passed now that I think HL3 would really only appeal to a "small" audience. Granted, that audience is huge, but I'd bet you a sizable portion of that original audience is gone now. That being said it'd still be a money printing machine.

>>386653004
TF2 is a husk anyway, I'm surprised they're updating it at all.

>>386653004
>Wanting more people working on TF2
Literally the more they have added to the game the worse it has gotten

>>386651927
Its not

Idk about nowadays but armor warrior was the meta when naxx was the only xpac, and it even ran reno jackson because the whole fucking deck was legendaries (i.e. no two same cards in the deck , so he triggers), save for like the two death bites, which you would be blowing anyway to claim board control

>>386652763
>Fuck infrastructure, the servers work fine 90% of the time.
that 10% is the part that needs the most work

>steam has a mass sale
>it entirely grinds to halt for at least a day
>doesn't work properly until the sale is over
every fucking time

>>386650864
>some people actually like card games though, there's nothing wrong inherently with that as a genre
No
Nobody wants these fucking shitter ass games
Throughout all the years that Valve hasn't done jackfuck besides milk Dota, disappoint TF2 players, and spit in the faces of anyone who plays CSGO
After waiting years for what was once a trusted name in the game industry, for them to shit out this heaping pile of vomit, you expect to simply be complacent and say
>Oh yeah this is fine people like card games
Not to mention how fucking hard they're going to milk this dumb shit, throwing away hundreds of dollars on these shit card games
Even if people DO like card games, this is the equivalent of expecting a good board game and being expected to pay for goldfish instead of poker
Except you have to pay for the deck yourself, otherwise you get shit cards and lose by default

>>386650351
I'd make the best porn game ever.
With god-tier character creator, fluid simulation, x-ray technology and a massive amount of scenarios which are fully interactive and experiencablefrom male and female perspective (think VH but in 3D and actually finished).
Also a SDK so people can mod the shit out of to the already rich content on day 1.

>>386653043
you didn't reply to what i said in the slightest.

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Times have really changed, nowadays Valve aren't capable of performing a single task without pissing people off.

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>>386652747
But anon, every single person on this board fits into that criteria.

Oh...

>>386651917
>implying i dont

Nigger you dont know me, ive been playing Gears all week with friends

>>386653214
Do you think they know just how many people hate them, or are they still sailing on past laurels?

>People whining that a new game is coming out they dont want to play, they dont want it to exist

LITERALLY

S

J

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>>386653082
It still makes more money than several other games, despite several times less work going into it. Of fucking course they're still updating it.

>>386653092
Gun Mettle and Tough Break were both good updates, and the balance changes they showcased for the Pyro update seem (mostly) really good.

They are legitimately getting better at balance changes.

>>386653106
theres an xpac out tomorrow which will obviously change things, but in the current meta you can literally get legend with a midrange hunter deck that contains mostly basic/commons and a few rares and epics

>>386651420
This, I just want L4D3, I guess with valve being what it is now cosmetics will be inevitable but I hope they really limit it because I don't want a zombie survival game where the survivors walk around in brightly coloured hats with pink zebra guns

>>386652981
bangin alien broads every night, get in space dog fights in the day, and not given a fuck

Too bad I would have made it in Gamebryo

>>386652747
>"if you dont like every game you're not a gamer"
>implying people wanted this shit, a fucking card game of all things

You are actually just being retarded, you were never making a point to begin with

>>386653124
>nobody likes genres I don't like
alright champ
>you have to pay for the deck yourself
we know literally nothing about the game as of right now how could you possibly know what the price model is going to be? did heroes in dota cost money because that was the standard set by LoL at the time?

>>386653284
>accidentally virtue signaling for a major corp

LITERALLY

S

J

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You know, one of these days people have got to make video games out of passion, right? It'll stop being an unending string of disappointment cash-grabs and micro-transaction-ridden P2W games, right?

:(

>>386653642
Nigger games I dont want to play come out literally every day. The player unknown battlegrounds for example.
I just say its a shit game, I dont cry and whine and say because I dont want to play it that it shouldn't exist.

>>386653112
The servers are nowhere near capacity unless it's a big sale which makes every dollar invested into infrastructure a waste of money. No, hire an army of curators and customer service staff.

>>386653608
>how could you possibly know what the price model is going to be?
common sense? it's going to be a pay-to-play game, which no one will buy because f2p card already are drowning the market, or it will be f2p and you buy cards. there is no other option, and valve wouldn't be making this if they weren't planning on profiting from it

>>386653004
>One of the highest-earning games
It might put up great numbers, but compared Dota and CSGO it's nothing. Opportunity cost is a bitch.
The few people still working on TF2 are some passionate people and we should really just be happy TF2 isn't Completely dead. If Valve were any other company it would be.

>>386652756
>Every person who owns a pc will buy it

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>>386653757
>I dont cry and whine
Then what are you doing right now? You big cry baby.

>>386650351
They have multiple teams doing multiple projects

>>386653757
pubg didn't block a better game from being made. artifact did.

>>386650689
Not him but I would if I could.

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>>386653856
>it's going to be a pay-to-play game, which no one will buy because f2p card already are drowning the market
Newfag please

>>386653757
I think it's really more about the disappointment on what could have been. Valve has literally billions of dollars and they haven't released anything worth mentioning or anything their fans might want in the past... shitload of years. They've been treating their fans like shit and just went full-on jew mode to squeeze every last cent out of any and all possible customers, and that's pretty sad. This game just really continues the downward spiral of disappointment.

>>386653856
yeah that makes sense there going to make the spin off of a free to play game a pay to play game, you sure are smart; its not like valve can endlessly market there own free to play games by putting them on the front page of steam forever. and they always sell micro transactions that effect gameplay right? im so glad I was able to buy that new dota item that makes my attacks do 10 more damage

>>386654035
Is that Netrunner?

What a faggot. Valve being lazy pieces of shit inspired me to make games, not to stop making them.

>>386654109
Yes

>>386653106
>>386651553
>People who know nothing about the game complaining about a meta from over two years ago

The current best decks use maybe two legendaries, if that.

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>you will never be the ridiculously wealthy owner of a talented development studio so you can create literally any game you can think of without having to pander to casuals, backers, deadlines and so on
jesus christ every day I dream about it

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>>386651657
This is fucking brilliant. Were I to present something to the public and have this be the reaction, I'd quietly cancel production on it and admit my fuck up. Of course, that's just wishful thinking that Valve will do the same.

>>386650351
nice reddit spacing there Eight

>>386654108
actually, you're right. it's exactly like valve to trick consumer's into spending money on cosmetic hats for their cards instead.

>>386650351
For research of genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership.

>>386652452
Valve isn't stable because it's well-run, it's stable because they had one good idea (online distribution) and enough Jews on the team to think of selling virtual hats.
Not even their client is good. Literally the only reason Valve exists is because they lucked into the infinite money cheat of real-life.

>>386650351
I'd make card game and have Idea Factory decide on the gameplay. I would also make Harada the main artist and force him to make ONLY LOLIS too.

>>386651353
>What's wrong with a football game being pay to win? If you want to play in real life, you have to buy all your gear, anyway.

>>386654210
This. Seeing the industry in this state is pushing me more and more to want to become a game dev on my free time. I likely won't make anything noteworthy at all but it at least keeps my interest in video games going.

>>386651609
This is literally all I've ever wanted.

>>386654303
there's literally no outcome that you won't complain about is there? if they sell card packs your angry about it, if they make it free to play and sell card backs or foil cards for money instead you're angry about how they are "tricking" people into buying things that they wanted to buy

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>>386650351
Is that why all those people left Valve over the last couple of years? Because they saw the writing on the walls?

>>386651609
>>386654559
So Shadowrunner?

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>>386654634

>>386650351
>DOTA card game

holy shit Valve is staffed entirely by robots at this point isn't it?

>>386650351
Sell wireless high-end VR headsets for $300
Make Linux with strong well-supported standards and good game dev libraries in many different programming languages to finally kill Windows for gaming
Buy a castle to game dev in with free cosplay sluts

>>386654604
i'd be pretty happy if they publicly apologized and canceled the game.

>>386650351
Make a VR turn based arena fighter with monsters from the dota 2 universe.
Please let it be VR and not mobile shit.

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>>386654851
.t you

>>386654559
I don't get why nobody except EA of all companies never seem to catch on
like you see magic the gathering with their thousands of cards of amazing creatures and shit that do all kinds of things, the natural step for me is "what if you could play with these in an actual game"
>>386654708
I don't know about shadowrun, I was thinking like xcom-ish style but you get to reinforce your squads during the game from your deck
also no RNG draw mechanics, fuck that shit

>>386654851
sorry I forgot that things you don't like aren't allowed to exist

>>386650351
Everyone's gonna be outraged at first but as always steamdrones will forget about it and then go back to accepting everything Valve does. Happens every time.

>>386655070
Probably because Valve will do it actually right

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well, I for one, enjoyed watching my drunken dad beat up my mom

>>386655297
>Probably because Valve will do it actually right
Literally the kind of retarded drone I was referring to in my post. Valve hasn't done anything right in years. They went with a card game because it's an easy money maker and know it will attract the Hearthstone audience.
Go back to plebbit if you want to worship Gabe Jewell.

>>386655441
>Valve hasn't done anything right in years.
debatable

>>386650351
Become a NEET

>>386652418
>mfw I can buy 200 packs of online Pokemon cards for 20 bucks
I built an entire deck, and still have 65 packs leftover.

>>386651353
>Heartstone
>not p2w
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You literally have to spend hundred of dollars to catch up in HS and being a f2p player is suffering.

The few card games that aren't p2w are Shadowverse (though you need some luck to gain some key legendaries) and maybe Gwent (though the legendary drop rate in it is ridiculously low)

>>386655539
it's been 4 years since their last game

So, hol up.

To get some of that hearthstone money, valve are making their own card game, based on dota 2, dota 2 the sequel to dota, dota the mod made in wc3 using warcraft models.

So this is going to look like a Chinese rip off of hearthstone, yeah?

>>386655539
Then debate it. You don't need an invitation on a fucking image board.

>>386650351
Do you think this guy sends the same shit to Walmart when they put something on their shelves he doesn't like?

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>>386655581

more steam games

>>386655070
Not everyone is an overdramatic shitposter who hates 99% of videogames because of arbitrary reasons.
But hey, follow your dreams.

>>386655539
>Says it's debatable
>Proceeds to say nothing else
I'm thinking you are either retarded or part of Valve PR.

>>386650351
Ricochet 2

>>386656024
Valve literally has only one person working PR, according to bunnyhop.

>>386655871
I feel that you're missing the point.

Gabe Newell on the Nerdist Podcast, in 2011 I think.

>Gabe Newell "One of the things we learned pretty early on is 'Don't ever, ever try to lie to the internet - because they will catch you.'"
>For the lazy:
>You have to stop thinking that you're in charge and start thinking that you're having a dance. We used to think we're smart [...] but nobody is smarter than the internet. [...] One of the things we learned pretty early on is 'Don't ever, ever try to lie to the internet - because they will catch you. They will de-construct your spin. They will remember everything you ever say for eternity.'
>You can see really old school companies really struggle with that. They think they can still be in control of the message. [...] So yeah, the internet (in aggregate) is scary smart. The sooner people accept that and start to trust that that's the case, the better they're gonna be in interacting with them.

What exactly happened between then and now?

>>386656386
in what way is making a game you don't like a form of lying to the internet? did they announce that is was a first person shooter before changing it to a cardgame?

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>>386651353
>I've heard Hearthstone is very much not P2W.

>>386650351
It's probably a pet project of few programmers and artists that got tired of VR or balancing other games, but didn't want to leave the company. 30% of profits? Don't laugh at me, the workers that did this shit would have got paid anyway

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>>386656540
a) Quote my post where I said I don't like it
b) Quote my post where I said they lied about this game
c) Have you forgotten the modding fiasco already?

I'm asking a simple question, so keep your strawmanning to yourself, little boy.

>>386656709

What about paid mods was a lie? There was no lie, just dickbaggery.

>>386656709
so than let me rephrase my question
in what way is your quote from them related in any way to whats currently happening? the modding fiasco wasnt a lie by them, they did a thing people didnt like it so they stopped doing it, thats not a form of lying

Is there literally one guy who is just reponding to everyone with >you don't like the game so what

Jesus

>>386653214
>Valve aren't capable of performing a single task without pissing people off.
That stems more from the fact that everyone and their mother know/use steam nowadays, not because they do more egregious things all of a sudden.
The more publicly known you are the louder the complaints will be.

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>>386655539
>>386656008
Not debatable for anyone who isn't a Redditor or pcbro.
The only thing they've done right is ensuring they have a constant source for income while putting in nearly zero effort, and ensuring for the most part people need their platform for their games so they have control over your library.
TF2 was ruined by its latest updates while the promised "big class update" has been delayed over and over, CSGO is an absolute joke where the majority of the playerbase only cares because of the cosmetic market, and Dota 2 is Russian MOBA tripe that also has a big cosmetic focus now.
Valve is the reason why so many games nowadays use the lootbox system in the first place, it's where Overwatch, KF2, and many other titles got the idea for it after seeing how profitable it was for Valve.
Not to mention Gabe has dropped some hints of wanting to do paid mods again, which if he did faggots like you would undoubtedly defend it.
They haven't made a real game in years, and I'm sure as hell not going to count a cashgrab card game as a new game either. All the money they're sitting on, all the technology they have including a brand new engine that has yet to be used, and they make a card game. It's inexcusable.
And the biggest slap in the face is the fact that Valve used to make amazing games. The Half Life series is considered a classic across the board, TF2 was revolutionary at the time, and the Portal series is both charming and engaging. Nowadays all they care about is finding new ways to make money while not doing any work, and screwing over the consumers.
No new games, systematically making their current games worse, and having a complete marketplace focus. That's the Valve way.
Valve is the EA of the PC platform, and I invite any Pcbros from Reddit to go back to where they came from.

>>386651731
Shadowverse isn't awful.
When I used to play it I had every card in the first three packs from just logging on every day, not even really doing challenges.
It helps that they give you like 70 packs anytime anything happens.

>>386656849
Gabe's response to the criticism. What he described on the podcast, literally happened just a few years later.
They did something, people got angry, they tried to pull a spin on it, people called them out, valve gave up "for now".

>>386650351
>Hearthstone
>unplayable unless you sink hundreds of dollars into it

What is he talking about?
HS is the most F2P-friendly P2W game I have ever seen.
The thing is Valve won't be able to reach that level.

That said, Valve seriously finally should make an effort to create HL3.

>>386657028
thats not lying you fucking retard, in what way is reacting to feedback a form of lying

>>386656891
>thats not a form of lying
I have come to the conclusion that the common internet mouthbreather interprets changing your mind or rescinding what you said as a lie of some sort.

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>>386657152
Is that the only response you have? "no"?

>>386657048
>HS is the most F2P-friendly P2W game I have ever seen.

Wot?
You earn shit from matches and missions making almost impossible to build a decent collection from being a f2p player. The only way to build a decent deck or collection without playing the game for literally years is to spend money there are shit ton of other card games that are far more f2p friendly games that allow you to build a decent deck.

>>386657018
I keep forgetting valve drone is made into pcbro now, which is really stupid.

>>386656198
And that's retarded. And I sincerely hope that BH is right on this one, because otherwise they are doing one of the worst PR jobs imaginable.

>>386651109
>>>/tg/

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>>386650351
>people are surprised when a gigantic corporation wants to release another game that's made cheaply as possible (literally, its a card game, there's no graphics, just jpeg images of cards)

Wow. Color me shocked

>>386656386
they've followed that policy to a T, If you never say anything you can never lie

>>386657432
The corporation that cannot even fund their tournaments. Fucking hilarious. There's no official TF2 event. There's no official CSGO event. There's an official Dota 2 event and it's entirely crowdfunded, with most of the money going into Valve's pocket. Even fucking Tencent is less of a jew than they.

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>Half-Life put Valve on the map
>TF2 arguably the company's biggest success
>Both games turn 10 years old in just two months
>What better way to celebrate than by announcing a DOTA card game that nobody wanted
I hope Valve HQ gets nuked by North Korea.

>>386657260
you made a false claim, multiple people pointed out that you're wrong? what more do you want? how else would someone respond to something that isn't correct? you claim they have lied about things that they clearly didn't.

do you want a breakdown of what the word lie means so that you understand how you're incorrect?

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So, will they half ass this too like their last projects?

>>386657432
>gigantic corporation
The entirety of Valve is less than 400 people.

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>>386657018
>Redditors btfo
>left speechless
Nothing better than destroying a valve drone. How anyone can still defend Valve is beyond me.

Why does it cost so much to make a card game?

>>386657581
except they're not a game making company anymore. They distribute games.

>>386657581
>TF2 arguably the company's biggest success
Are you this delusional? Their biggest successes came in recent years with CSGO and Dota 2 respectively, that's the entire point they completely went silent.

>>386657781
it doesn't

>>386657048
>The most f2p friendly system they had, adventures, ensured you got a solid amount of free build around me legendaries
>Blizzard said that was too generous and took it away
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The thing is, they could have announced this after announcing HL3 and then no one would care. People would be like "oh okay, maybe I'll look at it" or some shit.
This is the biggest kick in the balls PR wise they've ever done.

>>386654261
>talented

>take a mod people play
>make it a stand-alone game and add a micro transaction system that has bigger support than the game itself
wow such talent

>>386657941
they aimed low, but their workers are pretty good
that's what happens when you're the Rothschilds of pc gaming and can pick and choose employees at your leisure

>>386657797
They could still use their massive wealth to act as a publisher. But they don't do that either.

Instead they dick around making crap nobody asked for or even wanted, like Steam Machines, Steam OS, Steam Controllers, and fucking card games.

>>386657781
It doesn't. HS was made by 5 people originally, Gwent is being made by shit ton of people only because CDPR are fucking nuts and are literally making animated cards of every single card in the game and most are fucking great and are actually animated (not some aftereffects in photoshop).

>>386656892
People are literally throwing a bitchfit that they are making a new game just because its not the game they wanted. Laughing my ass off at all the tears

>>386652518

>value comes from material cost and labor investment in a world where IP law exists

Look at this commie retard. Look at him and laugh

>>386658114
And BP could spend billions fixing the environment. Go start a protest faggot.

>>386658209
refer to
>>386657018
for your answer

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>>386658269
we were talking about the values of the physical objects themselves compared to digital cards

retard

>>386657807
Those games suck and don't count

>>386651831
Hardware that noone buys.

>>386657591
>multiple people
You mean yourself and the other drone that just keeps saying "no"?
>what more do you want?
An answer to my question perhaps.
>how else would someone respond to something that isn't correct? you claim they have lied about things that they clearly didn't.
I invite you to read up about the fiasco, because you clearly don't know shit.
The entire reason for the change was greed. Gabe tried to lie with his "money steers the community" bullshit and immediately got called out on it. The modding community never steered itself on money, it's passion projects or just fucking hobbies. If Valve actually gave a fuck about those poor poor modders, they would hire them, like they did in the fucking 90s. But that's not what they want, even more developers sitting on their asses doing shit all. What they want is the cut of somebody elses work.

How about Steam Machines and Windows killing gaming? What happened to that? Valve doesn't seem that concerned anymore, so they just kinda dropped that whole project. I pity the 5 retards that actually installed linux steam. And I pity the companies that fell for that shit as well. Getting hornswaggled to produce these idiotic steam machines, just to never even get email responses back from Valve. What would you call that, telling companies that you're gonna support software/hardware X, then deciding it isn't worth it *but telling nobody about it, especially not the people that tried to sell that garbage for you*?

>>386658302
So its going to be shit because I dont like card games is the only thing I saw from that jumbled mess of a post.
>Valve is the reason why so many games nowadays use the lootbox system in the first place
The fact that there are retards who think that Valve created loot boxes or popularized gacha systems THEN is going around calling people newfags and redditors is the peak of irony.

Protip nigger Maple Story had loot boxes years before any game you listed.

>>386657878
This October is the 10th anniversary of the Orange Box. Anyone who even remotely thinks HL3 was ever still a possibility is a moron.

>>386657878
this is the real problem
The big announcement and "a new Valve game" hype got peoples hopes up.
If they had quietly launched or had announced it after a big game this would be a non issue

>>386657432
>people are surprised that a company who sells other peoples games, sells other peoples virtual items, tried to sell other peoples mods, gets donated over 20 million bucks every year to fund their own tournament still can't be bothered to make a game that is not a gigantic cash grab

how much more money do they fucking need?
like, is there a limit to capitalist dick sucking?
they could live in a city made entirely of gold and you schmucks would still be saying "boo hoo the poor company needs to make money somehow"

>>386658412

Yes, and the physical cards you can use in trading and lending, but the digital ones you can't, the cards being "overvalued" in your mind that doesn't understand where value comes from is irrelevant when purchasing a physical card at market value gives you capital which you can use to trade for other cards, or even liquidate back into an amount of money close to or exactly equal to what you invested in the first place. You can't do that with Hearthstone cards. The money is simply gone. Poof. Disappeared. And the only way of using your card to get another is through the dust system, which siphons off even more of the original "value" of the card

>>386650351
It's one thing to not care about a game you don't want to lay. Getting upset that valve announced a card game though, that's some next level shit. The only people upset about this are t. valvecucks.

>>386659037
Wow, I bet you think you're a fucking smartass.

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>>386651657
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
Fucking audible disappointment.

>>386657579
>The corporation that cannot even fund their tournaments. Fucking hilarious. There's no official TF2 event. There's no official CSGO event. There's an official Dota 2 event and it's entirely crowdfunded, with most of the money going into Valve's pocket. Even fucking Tencent is less of a jew than they.

on the other hand, on tencent's league you have to pay hundreds of dollars to unlock everything and be fully competitive (or grind it out for literal years), while dota gives you access to the entire game for free.

>>386652257
Buying a mystery box for the CHANCE of getting something IS gambling and it has been enforced as such in many countries.

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>>386650351
I would remake the sierra city builders so they work on modern pcs.

>>386658302
That doesn't cover 90% of what I said, drone.

>>386652756
Gaben let everyone at Valve have complete and utter job security in return for them staying on and making Steam massively profitable. Everyone is their own boss and there is zero management so every idea they try to cobble together just gets shelved. They don't want to put in the work it'd take to make such a game when they can reskin cosmetics and get tons of money for doing the bare minimum amount of work.

>>386658592
dropping a failed project is not a form of lying, you're total lack of grasp on the English language to the point where you have deluded yourself to the point that having something not work out how they hoped is a form of lying is both pathetic and a condemnation of whatever backwater education system allowed you to get by with such poor ability to understand concepts

>>386659265
>Wow, I bet you think you're a fucking smartass.
>Being indifferent to valve making whatever they choose is smartass
Ok.

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>>386660304
Dropping a failed project after agreeing with companies to do shit with it, is lying.

And don't judge others people grasp on the english language while you're unable to locate the shift button, you imbecile.

>>386659714
It is called an aleatory contract and it is legal

>>386660015
>when they can reskin cosmetics
But they don't do that, everything is community made now.

>>386660652
Electronic loot crates are not an "aleatory contract" and it's only vaguely legal because politicians don't know what the fuck is going on online or in video games. If they knew how much money was tossed at gambling for the chance of pixels they'd regulate it just like online poker.

>>386650351
Where's the youtube video so I can dislike it?

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I wonder how many Valve employees have gone dead inside? I'm guessing it would take one of them to commit suicide for the truth about how disgusting it really is behind the scenes at Valve.

>>386652257
It is if you bought it with real money.

>>386650351
Buying video games and video game peripherals

>>386660890
Also a fuck ton of the money being spent is by children literally gambling for cosmetics with their parents' money.

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>>386660925
>do whatever you want
>if you decide to leave and you have a pet project
>you can take it with you
>depression
Really makes you think.

>>386650864
i've never seen anyone, in my entire life, ask for a card game. ever. let alone for valve to make a card game

>>386660925
>I wonder how many employees of the highest paying video game company in the world have killed themselves

>>386660925
Not everyone here in the world is an autist who gets irrationally upset over decisions made by a company who owes them literally nothing

I'm sure Valve had an employee meeting and said "We're thinking about making a card game" and literally everyone jumped up in excitement and volunteered to work on this new project.

>>386661268
Haven't laughed this hard for a while, what a delusional moron you are.

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>>386661268
That actually seems like a comfy environment

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>he wouldnt revive EEnEO
are you some sort of dork?

>>386651609
>and sell full expansions for like 20 bucks a pop, not jewy booster packs

>Make a game for the skinnerbox crowd
>Deprive them of their skinnerbox
???

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>>386651686
holy shit this is some bad PR

>>386661473
i just like card games because they have lots of variation

plus the premise already assumes I'm too fucking rich to care about profits

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>>386661097
>join valve expect to make great things
>it turns out to be a disgusting malaise of greed
>nothing you do matters
>make ludicrous bank so you have to stay
>just come in and leave everyday knowing you've done nothing but sit in a chair for 8 hours
>become creatively bankrupt
>die inside
>become passive aggressive with family
>now miserable at work and home

>>386650689
Shiteral litlord.

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>Making a card game video game 2 years too late when the market is already saturated with them
>They thought this was a good idea

I don't like card games except Solitaire
i don't like online games, especially MOBAs and MMOs but also lootbox-a-thons like Overwatch and CS:GO

i wish they made half life
valve is wasting our money

that's literally everything everyone is going to say int his thread
so
/thread

>>386652557
>>386652257
>american definition of gambling
feels good to live in europe where we have actual laws and human rights and consumer protection

>>386650351
Cartoon villany. I will steal all of the cakes.

>>386658284
and they should, it should come before any profit for huge companies like this so they can not grow into a monopoly. I can't wait for the day government regulate the shit out of every big business.

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>>386662307
You can protect you against online gambling all they want. At least my government protects me from gambling my life when I tried to cross a road.

>>386662614
> At least my government protects me from gambling my life when I tried to cross a road.
????
Are you saying US has better traffic laws? Also, stop using words in the wrong tense, stupid nigger.
>You can protect you against online gambling all they want.
lolwut

>>386652514
... You a guy that's gonna be wearing that?

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>>386661617
>I can do whatever I want with my creativity
>It's the company's fault that I decide to sit around and be depressed.

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>>386662787
I'm saying we have better muslim laws.

When was the last time Valve even released an actual video game? 2013 when DOTA 2 hit? Jesus Christ.

>>386663130
Games take a long time to make. The problem is that other publishers have multiple studios making different games so they can release one every year. Valve does everything themselves.

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fuck this reminds me when people joked about richochet 2
and valve managed to sink ever lower beyond the most retarded joke

This is literally a reason I don't buy games on Steam and I rather give my 30% to Sony and MS. They atleast fund games that pander to me, unlike Valvefags which havent released good game for like 6 years.

>>386661141
>The pay in a job is the most important thing

t. 15 year old

>>386662939
no you don't lmao
your country had the biggest Muslim terrorist attack, your country had to fight a war it couldn't win and still is fighting with zero results
then your country had another, second biggest Muslim terrorist attack, in a gay club in Orlando
then you got so frustrated you literally elected a sillier version of Kim jong un for president, and as promised he banned all those muslim immigrants....except the ones from the country with the highest amount of terrorists because lol: profit > quality of life in his mind.
Americans are literally getting fucked by their idiot president for some cash.

Meanwhile in Europe: move to a quiet town or an expensive area, boom - no muslims, move out and boom - most muslims are actually pretty alright, pakis, indians, they don't do much, and the vocal minorities that are responsible for terrorism are much bigger in America, not to mention other extremist groups like: white pride, L I T E R A L L Y a KKK group in 2017 that's okay, the current POTUS,
Antifa - you get my point.

No riots like with niggers in america every month or so, no need to create a special force just to literally get niggers to stop wrecking shit. Oh and don't forget, americans think it's a good idea for those very same niggers to have guns.

>>386663369
Bullshit, Valve was putting out at least a game every 1.5 years or so before DOTA 2. Now they have so many steady income streams they don't have to do anything at all and still get to rake in ridiculous cash.

>>386663553
>it isn't

t. 12 year old

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>>386653980

>>386653252
You should kill yourself for having this garbage opinion

We need to go full circle and make "arcades" where people can pull card/loot packs and use them to win money at in-house PCs running each game.

>>386663747
what was my opinion

>>386661126
I like card games and I wanted hearthstone to come out really bad. I've played since beta and spent ~$100 on it. Good deal all things considered..

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>>386663567
>l-lol nobody got ran over
>your country had that one attack that makes our hundred attacks irrelevant
You laugh at America all the time. America couldn't even care less about you.

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Just a little reminder to the few people in this thread defending Hearthstone as not a money gouging project.

Pic related is the new expac for Hearthstone. The last one was released 5 MONTHS AGO

>>386664408
>had that one attack
no, two actually, biggest ones to date
>You laugh at America all the time. America couldn't even care less about you.
Yes, because they're a selfish asshole in country form. Like a stain on clothes that's so big everyone tries to pretend it's intentional design and just get on with their lives.
>>l-lol nobody got ran over
what are you even on about? when? who? did anybody ever get ran over? well yes. Did anybody get run over by that muslim attack truck? yes. Was it anywhere near as severe as nigger shootings that happen everyday in every city/town in America? Lolnope.

>>386665274
this

>>386665274
>The last one was released 5 MONTHS AGO
frequent expac releases is standard for card games though

>>386665331
Hahahaha

>>386650351
Hope it's better than Hearthstone desu. This guys a complete loser

>>386665274
Its like you dont know what card games even are.
5 months is actually a decent time in between sets. MTG often does them in 3 months. If you do not introduce new cards the game will get stale and people will get bored with it and stop playing. Yes it lets the company make money off making more content, its hardly gouging you fucking jew.

>>386664408

>W-well we don't e-even think about you guys.

Son, you just BTFO by Eurotrash.

>>386650351

Charity, no joke im shit with money anyway. I would buy shit that is needed for comfort and live from% of some % of the rest of the money.

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>>386665917
t. eurotrash

>>386665721
>all card games, not just valve's, are money-making schemes to sell exorbitant amounts of garbage to autists
yep sounds about right

>>386665917
>btfo by eurotrash
has literally never happened

>>386657581
>both games turn 10 years old in just two months
You mean 20 for Half life right?

>>386665274
And I'll be buying the same amount of packs as that purchase gets you but with in game currency. Yes, if you don't play lots, you have to pay real money to be able to make any actual good decks, but if you put in any time at all, you don't really need to. I've put in 25 dollars total in hearthstone and I've gotten to legend multiple times, and have many competitive decks. That 25 dollars wasn't even really necessary.

>>386650504
>cusotmer support
>steam
No.

>all videogames, not just valve's, are money-making schemes to sell exorbitant amounts of garbage to autists

Fixed it.

>>386666495
yeah what a stupid fucking counter though bub because i can get hundreds of hours of entertainment out of games that i can pirate whereas these games require you to buy their shit and play it on their official servers

video games are way more versatile than card games and require way less money. Back when I was a poorfag I probably spent <100 a year on video games and still played 5+ hours a day

>>386666495
Valve doesn't make video games

>>386651530
They are but they will buy into it and waste their time on it like hearrhstone and forget all about the anger

Gamers are retarded

My personal harem!

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>>386650351
>this is like seeing your own dad get drunk at your birthday, beating up your mom and then taking a big giant shit on your birthday cake.

What a fucking drama queen. I'd bet money this person will still play the game as well.

>>386650351
>What would /v/ use 30% of Steam's profit for?
Plant trees and help damaged forests recover.

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>>386667201
My brethren.

>>386650351
I would buy 4chan and shut it down

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Give it to me. I'm poor.

>>386650351
I would build a fallout shelter hundreds of feet below the ground in the middle of nowhere away from cities and military bases, and would have a maintenance crew, an automated undergroud farm and a mini hospital complete with doctors and nurses to sustain myself for years.

>>386662923
>I can do whatever I want with my creativity
yeah like make a dota 2 card game :)

>>386653227
If you faggots don't stop this "if you don't like GAME uR JUST A H8R DX" circlejerk I'm going to get a tripcode and false flag you to death.

>>386652756
Virtual cosmetic, loot crates and card games take next to no effort and is probably seen by all publishers as "the future way to shape the market", meanwhile a top-quality story-driven game requires a good chunk of time and resources (out of a dev-team who isn't organized and does their own things without sufficient supervision) that could've been spread out to smaller, infinitely-higher-paying content.

Valve is basically on the same level as professional mobileshit developers now, at least the other Jewcorps put their exploitative microtransactions into new major games.

>>386653004
Fan-maps/mods are what's keeping me interested in TF2 anyways, so whatever.

>Use money gained from dumb kids buying knife skins and hats to make a children's card game
I don't see anything wrong with this