Find a flaw

>>385889192
>3DS

>>385889192
>no incentive to go into combat

I honestly thought the sticker gimmick was interesting, there was just no reason to use it.

>>385889192

>>385889192
>too video gamey

>>385889192
U-uuhh... I can't. It's the perfect game.

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Which was worse?

>Literally no reason to fight

>>385890013
From what I saw Color Splash at least tried to have memorable characters with what was allowed to them. Shit like the funguy shuffle, the toad brigade or whatever the fuck, etc. I dropped sticker star at the boo mansion and I can only remember the sniffit quiz and fucking wiggler.

>>385890013
Color Splash was a good game

>instant kill items for bosses

It didn't kill me outright.

music was great tho

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Putting /ourguy/ Junior in the worse Paper Mario game yet.

>>385889192
Its entire combat system is pointless and is fundamentally bad game design.

>>385890256
no, it wasn't.

Limited item inventory
All attacks were consumable items
Specific stickers to completely destroy each boss fight

It's like they didn't want you to actually get into combat.

>>385890256
t. hungry wiiu owner
like every paper mario, music still fantastic.
but dont treat it as a worthy highlight

>>385890752
>>385891203
Random thought: Every time I see a bad game, there's always the caveat of people coming in and saying the music is good.

I thought it was funny how you could beat Bowser without using Kersti, but the game still just assumes you had to use her and nothing in the ending changes

>>385890752
yeah, even Zelda CD-i had great music
https://youtu.be/UQcpVIEKIPo

>>385891281
exactly.

>>385891281
how about andromeda or the new smb games?

Boss fights are either 2EZ snore fests (with the relevant auto-win sticker) or essentailly impossible. Random encounters drain your long-term resources, instead of replenishing them. No interesting side characters; only generic Toads.

>>385892414
Oh, and I forgot about a lack of Pit of 1000 trials, or any particularly enjoyable sidequests (I guess they're not strictly neccessary, but RPGs feel pretty empty without any, and Paper Mario had a tradition of copious and enjoyable side-content.)

>>385889192
all unique characters replaced with generic toads

>>385889192
if marios hat is in the same 2-dimensional plane as him, how is it shading his eyes?

>>385889192

It's not Thousand Year Door.

>>385893021
>It's not a backtracking simulator
>Flaw

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>>385889192
It's not an RPG.

>>385889192
>>>/b/

It's not on pc

>>385892954
The shadow is the hats antilight aura

>>385889321
>no incentive to go into combat

It's not even that good. You are actively disincentivized to go into battle. If it was just that combat was a waste of time, I might be able to stomach finishing the game. Instead, there is always a net loss for going into battle because you will lose stickers, get less coins than the stickers you spent were worth, and (I think) you will even lose coins if you just run.

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>>385890161
You ain't got one?
WELL I DO!

>>385889192
Find something positive

It would be easier to find something that isn't a flaw

>>385894729
Right, that's why we're here.

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>>385889192
Pic related.

>>385890013
Sticker Star is worse since Color Splash improved on locations, writing & while the story is mostly rehashed it handled it better, beyond that though it took some steps back in terms of gameplay due to boss fights forcing you to have the Thing card or you game over near the end of the fight wasting your time, all attack animations are way slower, it having more command prompts before attacking, the card menu being all 1 big row instead of multiple rows of attacks to select & it not giving you clear enough information on how much HP an enemy has & how much an attack deals to said enemy making strategizing a bit of a nuisance & making you waste cards in hopes you dealt enough damage to the enemies.

>>385895291
>you cannot choose which enemy to attack in combat, Mario targets the first in the row until its dead
Jesus Christ.

I wish I could love this game, but the biggest flaw that I had was that fact you had to fight the boss the first time just to find out it's weakness. This was bullshit, although everything else was pretty good.

>>385895685
>everything else was pretty good

Patently false.

>>385896307
Patently right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnqQfRnyapw

>>385896478
Hahaha

>>385891281

>>385896478
Remind yourself that Undertale would be just another shitty forgotten indie game if it didn't have a great soundtrack.
Good music doesn't make a good game.

>>385891281
You know what, I'm even gonna say the inverse of this is true. Remember how one of the biggest complaints people kept moaning on about with BotW was how they didn't like the soundtrack?

It's almost as when folks don't have anything of substance to talk about when it comes to compliments and criticism, they latch onto a wholly subjective matter like music.

>>385890973
Thanks for the insight
>>385891203
Nah it was good. They fixed almost all the issues with Sticker Star, and made it actually fun to collect the useless shit (coloring the colorless spots in every level was a cool idea)
The boss fights and levels were varied and interesting, and generally, they let you know ahead of time what sticker you'd need for the boss (cue the picture of the second boss fight where a shyguy repeatedly says YOU'RE GONNA NEED A BONE STICKER. I agree, that was a bit much, but most of them aren't like that).
Back to the level design, I liked the unfurl hammer technique, and it was made better by the fact that the game knew you fucking hated fighting enemies, so they'd stick a ton of enemies by the unfurl hammer object
The dialogue was witty and interesting, and a lot of the time I went out of my way to see what a character had to say. The puzzles, while not too difficult, were interesting enough.
Also the OST was godlike, especially the Shy Bandit and the purple pirate shanty

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>>385889192
Find an aspect it does better than the first game in its own series.

Still peeved that we could've had a comfy Paper Mario on a handheld and instead we got the weakest game in the series yet.

>>385897162
The entire combat system is completely pointless. It's broken from the concept stage. It's a bad game.

>>385897163
Easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gxIzpZ5xww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZafoRaXWBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFp7kt4G-Ck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ot1k__ptT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eekkDRs0Ks

>>385897163
It does a better job at making me pissed off.

>>385897282
You didn't refute a single one of my points
That being said, the combat system is not pointless, because there are stickers that are collectible only from combat, and it ups your paint meter.
It's not a bad game by any means, it just lacks what the other two Paper Mario games had

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>>385897545
>other two
I exist.

>>385897545
>You didn't refute a single one of my points

It doesn't need to be refuted when you have a core aspect of the game that is fundamentally flawed.

Raising the paint meter is the laziest attempt at fixing the issue Sticker Star brought, and changes nothing. Fighting enemies is something that should almost always be avoided.

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>>385897162
I disagree about it being a good game because
>Slow ass repetitive battle system that only has basic A-presses (no variety on how you deal the attack)
>Battle Menuing is longer than is should take and organization is worse than Sticker Star even (at least you don’t have to fit it in a book admittedly)
>"EXP" is pointless beyond the first few level ups since coins are given to you everywhere (Kamek, paint spots, Shy Bandit, Mini-game doors, Roshambo, etc.) and you can use the thousands of coin in shops and the Battle Spinner (literally hit the 9999 cap before fighting the second boss), basically killing incentive
>Battle Spinner is abusable since you can just keep getting and using Thing replicas every turn for 10 coins (just count the cards if you really can't pick which one you want while it's spinning)
>Outside of battles all solutions rely on Cut-out or your Paint Hammer, no variety in puzzle solutions basically
>Backtracking for Mini-Paint Stars on-tier with TTYD (Kiwano Temple & Sunglow Ridge you do twice with no differences, Mossrock Theater you do half the level twice with no differences, Plum Park has a 2 exits (at least it's a small area), etc.)
>At one moment there is a sketchy Shy Guy is willing to sell you cards for Snifit or Whiffit, but you'll need to drop 30 cards if you're at the 99 cap like I was and weren't even aware you needed those cards for the quiz you'll most likely get a insta-Game Over for not having the right cards
>All Bosses (not mini-bosses) need you to have the right Thing card
>You don't know if you have said Thing card until you need to use it, if you don't you instantly die
>Random spontaneous moments like being chased by a Chain Chomp where you can insta-Game Over (the originals had similar moments but you were generally timed, given some que or it was for a joke where you'd purposely have to do it)

(1/2)

>>385897545
>>385897783
In addition, raising the paint meter was only added because fans were groaning that, once again, there's no reason to fight

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>>385897162
>>385897829
>Story starts off promising since Peach isn't kidnapped and there's a mystery but it goes right back to status quo after World 1 with how he kidnaps Peach
>Bowser is the final boss with the only difference being he's possessed, but he's still just being evil so it doesn't change much, it's not like the Black Paint has a body or character like the Concept Art shows
>Bowser only has 2 scenes talking (After World 1 and during the final boss)
>Most NPCs are generic Toads & Shy Guys
>Only a few have truly unique designs like Foreman and the pirate ones, the others like Professor are just plain Yellow
>A lot of them share similar personalities
>At least Huey is good though, while he's a bit similar to the Toads personality wise he's not a bitch like Kersti and you develop some form of bond with him
>Enemy Variety is mostly recolored Shy Guys & Snifits (the museum shows this off well)

(2/2)

I'm probably forgetting shit, it's been almost a year now since I 100% it.

>>385897609
I know that one exists, and so does Sticker Star, I was only referring to the two RPG ones though. I actually love Super Paper Mario, especially the level where you're supposed to fight your way through a gauntlet of enemies but that world is ended by the black hole
>>385897783
Then maybe you're looking at it the wrong way, as in, fighting enemies is the punishment for playing poorly. There's usually a way to avoid enemies pretty easily, and the more major paint stars you've collected, the more enemies you can just hammer/jump on and instagib

What were Color Splash's sales?

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Reminder.

>>385898054
VGchartz has it at 800k but take that with a grain of salt as they're known to be unreliable. It definitely bombed though.

>>385898026
>Then maybe you're looking at it the wrong way, as in, fighting enemies is the punishment for playing poorly. There's usually a way to avoid enemies pretty easily, and the more major paint stars you've collected, the more enemies you can just hammer/jump on and instagib

That doesn't make any sense, since the game made a point of showing the cards and flicking things as being a major new addition to the game, and something that made it unique to the Wii U. If it was purely a punishment, there would be no effort there.

This is a game that is just flawed from the concept stages. Like people sat down and tried to think up good ideas, and failed.

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>>385898054
it fucking bombed just like Starfox Zero and Fed Force

>>385898171
I know Sticker Star sold millions, so yeah.

>>385898054
I heard while it wasn't as bad as Federation Force it sold below average.

>>385898171
>>385898183
Good, hopefully the series is fucking dead and buried and they can stop assfucking Paper Mario.

>>385889192
>inventory management the battle system
What sort of fucktarded idiot thought this would be fun. You take the least fun aspect of every game ever and make it the central point of your game. What the actual Fuck were those Japanese developers on that made them think this was a good idea?

>>385898261
I kinda want them to make another one to see Tanabe and Miyamoto get BTFO again

>>385898285
Mushrooms.

God damn that game is horrible. I got 4 hours into it, put it back into its case, and its been sitting in my closet ever since. I'd give some reasons but there are plenty of anon's who've already given almost all of them.

>>385900095
Source on Color Splash.

>>385900095
Color Splash was the last major Wii U exclusive. Sad.

>>385900095
>Color Splash sold 0.163056 million
It did fucking not.

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>>385900160
>>385900225
>>385900638
>Falling for obvious bait

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>>385900775
What can I say? My heart was hoping there was truth to it.

>>385901480
Why would you want any game to ever bomb that hard?

>>385901564
I dislike Color Splash that much simply & I really want a return to form. Some could say that would mean we get no Paper Mario in general or it could also mean they'll listen, if it were true I'd be hoping for the latter. That being said I would feel bad for the developers to some extent, I do believe they truly tried on CS.

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>>385901564
I think you know why, anon. That actions have consequences.

>>385901564
Sticker Star was too much of a success. They didn't listen to criticism and just made a direct sequel.

You need a slap in the face after the mess Color Splash brought.

What's your favorite Paper Mario song /v/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKpIWSwp_A

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>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60HdAlkHf5I

>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu_iKkFyoy0
;_;

>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6jARBDGvf0
pretty good theme for bowser

>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ7nAKmIy0s
:^)

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>>385903049
I'm not sure what that smiley face is supposed to imply but this song is tight as fuck.

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>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6I-n7xK03A

Runner up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOU1mZnDpbM

>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ5XleYB0n4
SPM is criminally underrated

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>>385903261
>Crystal Palace Crawl
my padre from another madre
>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to6cVeHBxnU

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Why didn't this old fuck just take out Bowser himself?

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>>385902387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVQTGxOA7dQ

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>>385889192