MGS4 is suddenly good because MGS5 was shit

No. MGS 4 ruined MGS with its godawful "conclusion". MGS V was merely toying around with a corpse.

MGS V >>>>>>>>>>> 4

there's no bad metal gear games

survive will also be fun

>>385671878
We all know the only reason MGS4 gets hate was because it's a PS3 only game.

MGS4 remains shit and always will be shit.

MGS1/2 are the only games worth playing. Everything else is filler.

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>>385671878
Reminder that BritGamingShow has zero credibility.

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Speaking of MGS4, MGO2 is playable on PS3 on official firmware, no need to jailbreak your PS3 anymore, if you don't mind formatting your PS3 to get it to work, then you are in for a good time.

Backing up your saves and redownloading your games shouldn't be too much of an issue

SETUP OFW TUTORIAL:
https://savemgo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=4423#p4423

Pretty easy to setup too. People playing range from 300 on a slow day and over 600 during peak hours.

>>385671878
MGS4 always had good gameplay but there wasn't enough and the story was shit.

>>385672185
here's your (You) dipshit

>>385672185
It had to be on Blu-Ray.
It was such a long movie after all.

>>385671878
No MGS4 is still far and above the weakest.

>>385672185
Why does that matter? MGS2/3 were basically PS2 exclusive. 2 had an awful PC port and an Xbox version but the PS2 version was still the best specifically because of the controls. MGS3 was also a full exclusive for quite awhile.

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>>385671878
No, but I will say that MGS4 was always objectively good, and by good I mean enjoyable, challenging at times, and rewarding when played strategically.

It has too many guns that are shit, though.

>>385672010
>portable ops

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CUTE

>>385671878
>do you agree
No, although if chapter 3 was cut from the game it would be a lot better. Eva's inclusion and basically every line that comes out of her mouth about the retarded origins of the Patriots was the worse thing about MGS4.

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>>385672010
Everything after Snake Eater is rubbish.

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>tfw just got into the MGS series
>experiencing all the great moments for the first time

the games are great
the memes are great
the music is fantastic
even the filler is enjoyable since the voice acting is good
what the FUCK are you all complaining about

>Gaming Brit
>HyperBitHero

Why do you guys follow these trash e-celebs?

MGS4 being a good game has nothing to do with MGS5 being shit

>GamingBrit
>The same man who was so assblasted about the Ratchet and Clank reboot he made an hour and a half long video to nitpick every detail possible
>"B-but it's not like muh original R&C!"

What a fucking faggot

>>385672494
>deep as fuck weapon customization system
>only about 5 weapons are extensively customizable
>only ones worth using are the M4, operator, m14 and occasionally the P90.

>>385671878
Metal gear 4 wasn't bad. The only problem I had was the tracking and tailing missions. But yes as a longtime series fan V was such a disappointment.

3 was peak

>>385671878
Series started turning to shit with 3

>>385672467
>2 had an awful PC port
Not really.
> the PS2 version was still the best specifically because of the controls
Absolutely not.

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>>385672754
your image is the same quality as your opinion

MGS4 is still a bad Metal Gear game, but at least it's a COMPLETE Metal Gear game.

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>>385672885
Wrong, this is the peak of gaming.

>>385671878
unlike you niggers, i played it when it came out and loved it

youre just cucks who bandwagoned the series after you couldnt bandwagon the souls series anymore because it went to shit

youre pretentious cucks falseflagging at fans because youre desperate for discourse , but its not really what you want, you want attention and legitimacy in your discourse

you're the cancer that is pc cucks, you have known no legitimacy, you leech off consoles and pretend its keeps you relevant, youre platform of choice is cancer, you continue to pretend it isnt, then make 50 apologetic threads about why POBG isnt fotm, then stop talking about it the second summer ends

>>385672885
Hou aren't wrong anon.

>>385671878
No. 4 is still the worst in the series except maybe Peace Walker. V was a disappointment but it wasn't nearly as much of a disappointment as MGS4 and at least it had great, if repetitive, gameplay.

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why are we still making these threads? just to shitpost?

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>>385672467
https://github.com/VFansss/mgs2-v-s-fix/wiki

>>385672754
MGS4 had a 10/10 haha

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>>385672315
Mercs is pretty fun

The campaign is a fucking joke though and I don't know why anybody would defend it

>>385672185

*also on youtube

>>385671878
MGS4 has always been good. MGS5 is good too. Get fucked autists.

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>>385673047
every night i post feels and pepes... even poor quality edits

like they're all still funny

>>385672315

don't lie faggot the gameplay of 6 is awesome as a TPS, it doesn't belong in resident evil but saying that it's not fun is straight up lying, bashing zombies with free roundhouse kicks beats the molass protagonist of RE7 by a mile

>>385673269
>Codec team from Snake Eater is the Illuminati
>Big Boss never died and was reconstructed from Liquid and Solidus to be used a biometric key for the Patriots
>Patriots experiment on Raiden despite already having cyborg technology
>Dr. Madnar still alive even though he was killed on screen in Metal Gear 2
>Mantis says he wish he could have used his powers for good in MGS1 and is shown to be the mastermind behind the Beauty and Beast Corps in MGS4
>Liquid Ocelot's entire plan relies in Snake, yet he tries to stop him at every point
>Naomi is now a computer scientist
STOP DEFENDING MGS4 YOU FUCKING RETARD.

>>385673526
MGS4 was the final fist fight

>>385672824
Super disappointing part of the game.

>>385672689
Don't forget everything Big Boss related, which by extension is everything about the plot. MGS4 is retarded because it includes and expands shit from MGS3, which was already retarded.

MGS4 is a movie written by a retard. There was nothing really good in it, and ironically the one part that might have been decent (Snake & Otacon being executed) was veto'd by Kojimbo's team, so they're all retarded as well.

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>>385673765
>A good boss fight makes a game that shit on the entire series good

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>>385672354
>no need to jailbreak anymore
You Fucking Serious? :D

>>385671878
I always loved mgs4, shame that it had the stupid bug where it'd crash after big mom or sniper wolf, I had a perfect stealth thing going.
I remember falling asleep during a cutscene and waking up to it still going on, good times

>>385672754
Snake Eater is rubbish.

>>385671878
>suddenly good
pleb

>>385671878
I agree with the whole "MGS 4 has a big heart". For me it's the last canonical mgs game. Fuck there is some bad shit in there but it was just an epic closer

>>385672754
anyone has that pic where ex mgs 2 editor shittalks Kojimas writing?

>>385672943
If that was the peak then why did 4 "ruin" everything about it?

>>385674469
4 is bad but it didn't "ruin" 2 in any way. The plot is not really what MGS2 is about.

>>385674876
>The plot is not really what MGS2 is about.

then what's the point?

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>>385674876
>the plot is not really what MGS2 is about
What?

>>385672754
wrong board anon

>>>/tv/

>>385674454
Here's the translator for MGS2 trashing his writing.
http://www.eatchain.com/garbage/METALGEAR%3F%3F%3F/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%202%20Agness%20Kaku%20Intereview/Page%203/Hardcore%20Gaming%20101%20%20Agness%20Kaku%20Interview.htm

>>385675037
welcome to MGS2 fans. They think that the plot going off the rails was the real plot and believe a speech by an AI going bonkers

Here is the AI going bonkers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8j9I90ueM

and it's the same avatar as the final speech meaning it's the same AI

>>385673526
>Big Boss never died and was reconstructed from Liquid and Solidus to be used a biometric key for the Patriots
Don't see the issue with that. It's not like he was even actually alive, as he was kept in a vegetative state
>Patriots experiment on Raiden despite already having cyborg technology
Again, don't see the issue. They experimented on him because he was captured, and it's better to experiment on prisoners than workers
>Dr. Madnar still alive even though he was killed on screen in Metal Gear 2
Actual issue, but a reference in a scene most people skip is negligible
>Mantis says he wish he could have used his powers for good in MGS1 and is shown to be the mastermind behind the Beauty and Beast Corps in MGS4
Another shitty reference, and he was only shown to be behind some of Screaming Mantis' powers
>Liquid Ocelot's entire plan relies in Snake, yet he tries to stop him at every point
Self-hypnosis to think he's Liquid does do that.

>>385675026
>>385675037
symbolism niggas. The whole thing was a commentary about video games and sequels in general, Hideo wanted to leave the series at that point

>>385674469
Not that anon, but:
>why did 4 "ruin" everything about it?

Well let's see...
>MGS4 largely ignores the plot of MGS2
>All the smaller story elements of MGS2 dropped
>All the interesting parts of MGS3 un-used.
>Liquid no longer really in control of Ocelot, even though MGS3 sets up that Ocelot has inherited spirit medium powers from the Sorrow. No mention of this brought up at all in MGS4.
>MGS4 treats the great mysteries of the series all stemming from MGS3, instead of MGS2.
>MGS4 attempted to destroy/kill all the cool supernatual elements of the franchise. Everything was now nanomachines.
>Nanomachines.
>NANOMACHINES
>WAAAAGH Economy
>NANOMACHIIIIIINES

Amongst other problems.

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>>385672315
This fucking nigga baited me into buying that shit

>>385671878
No, if anything MGSV was such a good game that I can't even go back to MGS4.

>>385672315
he was right tho
6>7

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>>385671878
>MGS5 was shit
fuck off you contrarian imbecile

>>385671878
Kojima made MGS4 as a joke. Anyone who likes it is either retarded or trying to hard to be contrarian.

>>385675463
>liking early access title

>>385675275
>don't see the issue.
It doesn't make sense why they wouldn't just kill Raiden when he knows everything he does after MGS2. Raiden offers nothing to the Patriots after they got the data from the simulation in MGS2, experimenting on him makes no sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA

The only reason Kojima did this was so people would think Raiden was a 'cool badass' now which is funny since in MGS2 he represents your average whiny nerdy gamer who wants to be Solid Snake at the start.

>>385675513
so he was just pretending to be bad writer?

>>385675026
>>385675037
Similarly to how Evangelion is not "about" a conspiracy made by shadowy organizations to turn humans into orange slime, MGS2 is not about terrorists hijacking a secret military base to steal a giant robot. It's about the nature of storytelling, videogames and the passing on of ideas.

>>385675026
>>385675037
fucking casuals. get off my /v/

>>385673924
Yes, I am dead fucking serious, get on this shit. MGO2 is back baby.

>>385675037
>>385675259


At the very end snake says to the player through monologue that he knows things didnt make much sense this time and you didnt have much control, but worry less about the canon and more about the message.


>>385675259
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>385675631
He was forced into making it. He wanted MGS2 to be open ended, and though 3 was a fitting end to the series, but because of fan outcry Konami made him do the game. So instead he just went full retard with it. Not to mention on top of that Konami wanted him to change the ending. Just google "kojima didn't want to direct mgs4".

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>>385674469
Remember how they turned the friendly radio support staff from MGS3 into the defacto main villains behind the scenes of the entire franchise?

Remember how retarded that was?

Seriously, they really should have seperated Major Zero and "Zero" as two different people, or made Major Zero seem more like a controlling asshole instead of a fun British James Bond fanatic.

Also lol'ing as I realize how close "Soros" is to "Zeros"

>>385675367
>MGS4 largely ignores the plot of MGS2
considering the mess known as MGS2's plot, this is a good thing

>>385675328
>symbolism
if it existed

>>385675614
>since in MGS2 he represents your average whiny nerdy gamer who wants to be Solid Snake at the start.
any proof outside of headcannon?

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>>385672278
>Metal Gear 1 and 2 are the only games worth playing. Everything else is filler.
FTFY

MSGV is legitimately almost a perfect game.

>>385675938
>considering the mess known as MGS2's plot, this is a good thing

Double digit IQ detected

>>385675994
Yeah, it'd be 100% perfect.

If it wasn't only 50% finished

>>385675367
>MGS4 largely ignores the plot of MGS2
>All the smaller story elements of MGS2 dropped
Kojima didn't intend for MGS2 to get a direct sequel. Demand and pressure from Konami caused the development of MGS4
>All the interesting parts of MGS3 un-used.
Going into your menu to micromanage your body is only fun for a few minutes. And capturing animal wouldn't work in most of MGS4
>Liquid no longer really in control of Ocelot, even though MGS3 sets up that Ocelot has inherited spirit medium powers from the Sorrow. No mention of this brought up at all in MGS4.
Does it matter? Ocelot doing self-hypnosis or him using spirit power? If anything, the self-hypnosis makes more sense, as Liquid Ocelot is batshit compared to Liquid Snake
>MGS4 treats the great mysteries of the series all stemming from MGS3, instead of MGS2.
Because you literally can't continue MGS2 directly without upsetting some sect of people or everybody. MGS3 was easier to continue off of.
>Nanomachines
How do you explain someone as overpowered as Vamp or something like ID Tagged weapons.
>WAAAAGH Economy
Boo hoo

>>385671878
Same with oblivion, everyone on /v/ hated oblivion until Skyrim came out, now oblivion is loved.

>>385675914
the true villains were the AIs

hence, why I'm still pissed off we never got a scene like what we had at the end of MGS2 with GW's AI

in MGS2, it actually brought up good points why they are needed, while MGS4 just shrugged it off and treated them like a disease

>>385676092
I know I know. In fairness its closer to 70% finished, but still.

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>>385675614
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA

trusting the same AI who said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8j9I90ueM

>>385675825
>but worry less about the canon and more about the message.
I would if there was a message

>>385675914
>Remember how retarded that was?
that was because they had to tie in the entire series so the MGS3 radio crew was shoehorned to be the poorly executed shadow organization introduced at the last second of MGS2

>>385675938
>any proof
Playing the game? If you can't tell that the whole game is a commentary on expectations from fans and sequels in general then I think the game might be unironically too deep for you.
Plus the end of the game literally has Raiden throwing away the dog tags with your name on it finalizing the disconnect between the player and Raiden, with Raiden becoming his own person independent from the player. Rather aspiring to be Solid Snake, you and Raiden learn to be your own person and seek out what you believe.

I fucking knew it.

It happened with RE6 too. The new game is out and suddenly there's some serious fucking RE6 dicksucking going on while it has been a constant joke for years before that. Suddenly it's a fucking underappreciated masterpiece? Fucking retards.

I fucking hate MGSV but I will never go take Kojima's dick up my ass and suddenly claim he was a goddamn mastermind for making 4.

I view MGS4 as a Metal Gear game directed by Michael Bay. The story is kinda uninteresting and dumb, like a Bay movie, but regardless you're with it and deeply invested because you're so attached to the characters and their history. The only reason you bother sticking with the story is because of your attachment to the characters.

>>385676252
>I fucking hate MGSV
How can anyone hate MGSV. I legitimately do not understand.

>>385672754
>this angers the kojicuck

>>385676093
>Kojima didn't intend for MGS2 to get a direct sequel.

any proof? I see MGS2 fans spout this but no direct proof

>>385676130
> it actually brought up good points why they are needed
they only told you what they wanted you to hear. You had no idea if they were telling you the truth or not. MGS4 confirmed it was all bullshit.

>and treated them like a disease
because they were

>>385676245
>Raiden throwing away the dog tags with your name on it finalizing the disconnect between the player and Raiden
this bullshit again?

Why are people still saying that the MGS3 Codec guys are the villains? They weren't, they only made the villains because they thought they were carrying on The Boss' will, the true villain being the Patriots AI

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>>385675614
> The only reason Kojima did this was so people would think Raiden was a 'cool badass' now which is funny since in MGS2 he represents your average whiny nerdy gamer who wants to be Solid Snake at the start.

never really understood that
your average /v/irgin is rarely ever a former child soldier,

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>>385675963
What about Gameboy MGS1?

>>385671878
No but it's still better.

>>385676093
>Does it matter? Ocelot doing self-hypnosis or him using spirit power?

It does matter. If he realized he had spirit medium powers, it could have led to an interesting story development. Especially if he simply allowed Liquid to use his mind to sneak past GW's control, and then easily betray Liquids soul at the end for the final double cross.

>Because you literally can't continue MGS2 directly without upsetting some sect of people or everybody. MGS3 was easier to continue off of.

They re-regurgitated most of MGS3's story during the Big Mama section because so many people didn't finish or buy MGS3. The were worried the casuals wouldn't understand what was going on. (MGS3 sold the worst out of the 4 main games, due to casuals not liking that it was a prequel/difficulty).
>How do you explain someone as overpowered as Vamp
Supernatual Powers via Vampirism. Psycho Mantis had ESP, The Sorrow channeled the dead, ect ect.
>or something like ID Tagged weapons.
That was an ok use of Nanomachines.

>>385676121
same with every zelda

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>TheGamingBritShow

>>385676428
>any proof?
I hate linking to Kotaku, but this is common knowledge mate.
http://kotaku.com/a-list-of-times-hideo-kojima-has-said-hes-done-making-m-1689707939
MGS2 was intended to be the last Metal Gear game.

>>385676460
Ghost Babel and Ac!d 2 are Kino

Nah MGS4 was always great.

5 had good gameplay but the story was ass.

Literally happened to DMC4 when DmC came out. /v/ hated DMC5 and hated Nero until DmC launched.

>>385671878
Nope. It's probably even worse since MGSV at least has gameplay, I assume.

>>385672185
The opposite is true. The PS3 was struggling and this was the first of its exclusives that was a true "system seller." Huge hype.

>>385676432
they founded the organization that would make the Patriot AI

>>385676570
>kotaku
can I get a legitimate site?

>>385676589
>/v/ hated DMC5 and hated Nero until DmC launched.
there is no DMC5

MGS4 is good because it takes 10 years for /v/ to admit a Sony exclusive is good.

I look forward to /v/ discovering how great Bloodborne is in 2025.

>>385676454
Fair point but that doesn't take away from the obvious parallels in the beginning to the ending scene and Snake's fourth wall breaking commentary over the credits. The aim of the game is made pretty clear.

I think you could also argue that Arsenal is when Raiden breaks from the player.

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>People unironically defending MGS4

>>385676491
>it could have led to an interesting story development
People would be bitching about Liquid getting shafted so easily and it being 'an insult to MGS1'
It turning out to be Ocelot's attempt to get out of the Patriot's control while still working for them is better than what you wanted.
>MGS3 sold the worst out of the 4 main games, due to casuals not liking that it was a prequel/difficulty
That's a fucking lie. MGS3 didn't sell well because it came off of MGS2, which for a while was seen as a bad game in comparison to MGS1 because of the Raiden thing.
>Supernatual Powers via Vampirism
Let me rephrase that. How do you kill someone as overpowered as Vamp

>>385676696
/v/ already circle jerks BB all the time even though it's by far the worst Souls game. Even Nioh and Salt and Sanctuary were better Souls games than BB.

I honestly think that the people who claim it's one of their favourite games are deluding themselves to soften the blow of buying a PS4.

I got the PS4 just to play BB when it came out, and it was a HUGE disappointment.

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>>385676460
It's pretty good.

>>385672891
>2 didn't have an awful PC port
nigga, this was 2001. You had to actually buy a controller to play on the PC instead of just using your PS2 controller.
Drivers were shit and the default KB+M controls were way too all over the place.

>>385676720
>I think you could also argue that Arsenal is when Raiden breaks from the player.

Arsenal is when the game goes crazy

>>385676460
Fukushima wrote it without Kojimbo, of course it's good.

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the only good mgs are 1, 2 and rising

mgs3 is ok but was the beginning of the games going to shit

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MGS4 didn't leave me with a strong hatred for the series for a month after I finished it, so it has that over V.

Also, whatever the fuck you think about 4's stupid plot, keep in mind that Kojima had to bridge three games' worth of retconning and zero future-planning and give it all a proper conclusion. Not saying it's any excuse for fucking up, but at least it's somewhat understandable.

GZ was a perfect set up for V though, and so it's even more baffling that Hideo essentially ended up writing something so bad it can only be equated to The Phantom Menace in terms of writing fuckups. Or it would've been, had The Phantom Menace been so far up its own ass to reference classic literature and fail at it, like TPP does.

>>385676676
>can i get a legitimate site
I'll just link to some more sites.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/06/09/kojima-mgs2-was-meant-to-be-my-last-metal-gear
http://metagearsolid.org/2012/06/kojima-once-again-says-that-mgs2-was-supposed-to-be-his-final-metal-gear/

>>385671878
He raises some good points and MGS4 is fucking leagues better than MGSV. But MGS4 still has too much absolutely retarded shit in it to completely redeem it.

Both are great games, but there is one thing that breaks MGS4 to me
having to press triangle to get in and out of walls

but i love how the argument of "you can skip cutcenes" only comes when its to defend MGS4

At least MGSV is a fun game. MGS4 is a train-wreck in every way.

>>385676884
>Let me rephrase that. How do you kill someone as overpowered as Vamp

Creative Game design. Some Supernatural element to counter him.

It's not like the series didn't have a supernatual shit in it already.

I for one could have done without the lame as shit Nanomachine explanation for every little thing.

>>385677206
>Both are great games
They are?

>>385676252
>The new game is out and suddenly
MGSV has been out for two years and Peace Walker was the last game before it, not MGS4.

>>385672315
> can enjoy Resident evil 6 even if the gameplay is a let down from RE5

>cannot enjoy MGSV even when the gameplay is fucking perfect

>>385672803
>he doesnt love something enought to autist about it for a entire hour in the internet

i pitty your loveless life

Everything before Liquid says "Activate it" is good.
All I wanted to do was infiltrate Liquid's compound collecting card keys and riding elevators and having cool showdowns with Xmen until I get to the hanger on the 99th floor basement to shoot missiles at a cool new Metal Gear.
Instead I got whipped across the atlantic fucking ocean to a cornfield in some 3rd world shithole where I listened to an apple commercial. Then I was forced to play a rail shooter. Then I played a level of Medal of Honor Undergound where I met Eva and was forced to play a second fucking rail shooter.
MGS4 is fucking gay.

>>385672943
>but muh meta narrative
MGSV did it better

>>385677302
RE story was always derpy, so having a dumb story doesn't really detract too much from enjoying the game.

MGS series has higher standards. If the story is shit, then it doesn't matter if it had good gameplay, that means it's a shit MGS.

why do british guys always make videos like this

>>385677451
>MGSV
>"narrative"

Like what, all ten lines of it?

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DAILY REMINDER THAT KOJIMA ONLY BROUGHT PSYCO MANTIS BACK TO PROVE AGAIN THERE IS AFTER LIFE IN THE MGS UNIVERSE

DAILY REMINDER THAT ZERO WAS BEING KEPT ALIVE BY THE PATRIOTS AI

DAILY REMINDER THAT SNAKE DOES IN FACT KILLS HINSELF AT THE END, AND MEETS BIG BOSS AND ZERO IN AFTER LIFE


DAILY REMIND THAT KOJIMA HAD IT ALL PLANED SINCE MGS3, WITH THE SORROW AND WITH PARAMEDIC HERSELF BRIGING ZERO TO AFTERLIFE

What are your expectations for Death Stranding? I'm a bit concerned about the idea of the mechanics focusing on 'ropes' rather than 'sticks'.

Seems like tethering troops is going to be a part of the combat? Or just tethering tech in general, maybe?

I can't help but think that it's going to be Norman reedus in some sort of skeleton trooper Pikmin situation

>>385677548
>RE story was always derpy, so having a dumb story doesn't really detract too much from enjoying the game.

RE6 also had dumb gameplay

>>385677548
MGS story was aways shit if you stop and think about it for a second

everyone played it for the gameplay.

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>>385677793
>What are your expectations for Death Stranding?
Train wreck, still getting it day one though in hopes of something like the first three Solid games.

>>385677548
>playing video games for the story

there is your main problem anon

>>385677680
Unless Big Boss is finally fucking Paramedic in the afterlife, I'm gonna call bullshit

>>385677973
>big boss
>fucking anyone

>>385672354
Reminder that the "format" just removes save data, which can be backed up, and games, which can be redownloaded. Profiles will stay so you can completely back up all saves.

MGO is fucking worth it too, been playing it a bunch and it's still amazing.

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>>385677867
i feel like kojima can show amazing shit in trailers and stuff like that (like in MGS5) but when it comes to fleshing out the story and actually explaining things, he fumbles the ball completely and just makes up a random story about a badger or something

honestly the guy should learn that telling less is more. just fucking leave the Volgin episodes in MGS5 as just what they seemed like in the trailer, unclear whether they were real or totally in Venom's mind

>>385677878
>Wahhh MGS4 has too much story
>Wahhh MGSV has too little story
Really gets the brain bubbling.

>>385677793
>What are your expectations for Death Stranding?

0

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>>385678198

>generic name
>cartoon avatar version of self
>contrarian clickbait videos

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Did anyone else think this cutscene of Big Boss "going nuclear" was going to be
him walking out of the rubble of Outer Heaven after Solid Snake blew it up?
I thought somehow an abridged version of the first Metal Gear would make it in

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>>385678191
Kojima can definitely head good games, the first three Solid games are genuinely all 10/10 but he definitely needs someone to keep him in check. Fukushima leaving after Snake Eater and the games going to complete garbage isn't a coincidence.

>>385672754
>muh Fukushima
Fuck off retard

now listen i like metal gear too but why is everyone still obsessing over this dead series and having the exact same conversations they were having two years ago

move on

>>385677815
I agree, but it was always shit that was conveyed like an entertaining movie, when you take the same shit ass quality of story, and spread it super thin, convey it in the most awkward of ways possible, and 180 the personality of everyone off camera for the sake of subverting fan expectations, you get reactions like /v/'s on why the game is shit.

I don't think it's shit, I think it's a really flawed good game, but I can fully understand why mgs v attracts so many hypberole posters that are so upset they can't even articulate why they dislike the game. That and I think it's the most popular mgs as far as normies go, which also seems to trigger /v/, so there's that too.

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>>385678559
>That and I think it's the most popular mgs as far as normies go
*blocks your path*

>>385678681
idk anon, I think mgs 3 is really popular too, but mgs v seems to be the game for people that didn't even play the old games telling kojima he's a genius and mgs v is a flawless masterpiece because ign gave it a 10/10. But maybe you're right.

>>385677680
>mfw what you're saying makes actual sense
Christ

MGS4 is a deeply flawed game that I go back and forth on loving and hating. But i'll still take it over MGSV.

Also, it really should've ended with a bullet in Solid Snake's head.

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>>385678886
>>385677680
>tfw your head canon gets BTFO by the last conversation between snake and otacon in the very game youre making up head canon for.

>>385678853
>but mgs v seems to be the game for people that didn't even play the old games telling kojima he's a genius and mgs v is a flawless masterpiece because ign gave it a 10/10
This. Not to mention the "best gameplay in the series" where it doesn't have anything on older games' level design and reactivity. V has an amazing gameplay core but don't go full retard and claim it's the best just because you couldn't grasp that you have to hold two buttons to aim and fire in MGS3.

>>385679209
>implying snake would accept he is dead
>implyng that conversation even happened

>IMPLYING OTACON WAS NOT CRYING BECAUSE HE KNEW SNAKE KILLED HINSELF


snake HAD a hard life
HAD, pass of HAVE, implies something that you possed in the pass and doesnt do it anymore in the present

>>385677680
imagine getting to the afterlife but you're still a brain dead vegetable

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So we all agree these are the two best right?

>>385679787
no

>>385679787
3 and 1 are the best. 2 is literally a meme but a good meme. 4 is a shitpost, but a shitpost that pisses some off and makes some laugh into fits.

>>385679787
MG2SS and PW are the best

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MGS4 was always good.
Stop letting fedoras on /v/ manipulate you into thinking stupid shit, and stop making these threads.

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>>385671878
No MGS4 is not good just because 5 was shit they're both shit in the exact opposite way.
MGS4 has way too little gameplay and too many cutsecenes, what gameplay there is, is great for last generation, the movement and shooting controls are too unresponsive and slow for a game that came after shit like Gears of War ect. MGS5 is the opposite, it has too much gameplay in the worst way possible (huge, empty areas and repetitive missions and objectives) and lacks a compelling narrative for many of the missions and objectives. Both games represent the worst of modern video games they're either interactive movies or huge lifeless sandboxes filled with shitty distractions

>>385671878
both games were ass

>>385672315
I think this game gets too much shit. The QTE and escape parts still have shit controls and cameras but the gameplay is great.

If you like watching powerpoint presentations for 90 mins where its explained that every single minor character is part of a grand conspirancy to tie everything in the series together very poorly sure.
Also poop guy is now a character, a really bad one.

Anyone got the link for the MGS Online info?

>>385672754
Where's Fukushima now? What has he done besides MGS?

>>385680806
Had a meltdown.

>>385677793
I believe in Kojima. MGS tethered him down into something he didn't enjoy working on, and we saw glimpses of his genius with PT (I didn't enjoy it as a SH experience, but it was fun). We've also seen how good his non-MG games are, such as Policenauts and Snatcher

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>>385680842
>We've also seen how good his non-MG games are
L O L
O
L

>>385680838
He went nuclear?

>>385680961
I remember his involvement was minimal outside of directing.

>>385680961
I like Lords of Shadow. 2 wasn't that good but the first was a pretty fun game.

>>385680990
He was never the same after the earthquake.

>>385671878
Agreed. MGS4 is a love letter to the fans of 1 and 2.

MGS3 and MGSV dickriders can go to hell

>>385680990
I don't think anyone knows what happened to Fukushima, he has nothing credited to him after Snake Eater.

>>385677793
Well I consider MGS to be my favorite series and love to like almost all of them.
I also really enjoyed Snatcher.
I like Zone of Enders and hear Zone of Enders 2 is great too, need to play it.
So I am looking forward to the next Kojima game and will be grabbing it barring some big event.

>>385680842
that's like saying you can trust george lucas because he did the first star wars

>>385681115
Fukushima went nuclear.

>>385671878
silent hills is metal gear etc etc le ruse cruise and shit

can we all this admit that metal gear has always been shit and that revengeance was the closest they ever came to being good?

>>385671878
No 4 is still the worst

They tried to shoehorn so much crap it looked like a parody of metal gear

V wasn't great and it was very slow with tons of boring filler and used the homogenized open world schtick

But at least it wasn't 4

>>385681098
"Here's a letter that if you open it will retroactively destroy everything you love"
"Arigatou kojima-san, at least it's not as bad as the fifth letter you sent me so it's good"

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People who shit on BB unit and Jivin' Gorilla misses the point.

The age of heroes, with unique backstory such as Solid Snake, Sniper Wolf, Vulcan Raven are over. Here you have cookie cutter supermodels pretty much having the same backstory, getting carried by their tech with no skill of their own.

If that's not kino I don't know what is

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Rare Fukushima.

>let it go, my son
>Boss? How are you alive
>Grab a pen and some paper, son, it's gonna be a long one

>>385681668
>It's shit on purpose so it's good.

>>385681276
Except we have proof Kojima can still make good things, that proof being found in PT, and we have proof that Kojima has made good non-Metal Gear games
George Lucas hasn't made a good movie since Empire

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>>385676428
there are multiple interviews where kojima clearly states he wanted off metal gear ,and leave the development of future games in the hands of a different team, he only came back for mgs3 because they faced problems

MGS4 was always fine. The long cutscenes were great and the game is fun. MGSV should have emulated MGS4 and made it the Big Boss version of that.

>>385681705
The MG series summed up in one sentence

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>>385681743
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>385681418
I'm meh with 3. The most hate of MGS4 came from MGS3 dickriders and Zero's a villain now? Bullshit.

MGS4 gives all the MGS1 and MGS2 character some closing justice and epic conclusion. Johhny clutching it out by being normal human and not nanomachine'd is also pretty good.

>MGS4 literally 10/10 everywhere from every gaming site
>4chan xbox nerds say it's shit

pottery.

>>385681789
It's arguably the best MGS game.

>>385681705
Let me fix'd that for you, it is probably unintentionally deep, but it came out good regardless. It would be super boring if they come up with another 4 sets of villain team.

>>385672803
>>385677379
Maybe there'd be a point there if he really was nitpicking, but almost every point is pretty major. Updated graphics don't leave a memorable impression, just more shit on the screen, lesser framerate, difficulty and story are neutered beyond belief, etc.

>>385681884
>'If a game reviews well, it means it's good!'
What did he mean by this?

>>385681950
>if 4chan xbox virgin nerds are contrarian, surely it means it's shit

pottery.

>>385681918
By what metric is MGS4 'arguably the best MGS game'?
>Story that retcons and ruins its predecessors retroactively
>Two (2) chapters of worthwhile gameplay
>Very few good boss fights in a series known for good boss fights
>Have to install each act
It's arguably the worst.

>>385681805
>MGS4 gives all the MGS1 and MGS2 character some closing justice
By shitting on them and unable to explain qll evils in the world without using the magic deus ex machina nanomachines.
I can't get how someone who loved MGS1 and 2 and all the character it had be ok with the conclusion everyone got in 4.

>>385671878
MGS5 is not shit though, fuck off.

V was at least somewhat selfcontained, only fucking a few things up

4 on the other hand took massive dumps on virtually every character in the series

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>>385679787
my nigger this is the peak of the series imo, although mgs1 isnt far behind

>>385682163
well hawdy there big bawss it's me troy baker, giddyup!

>>385680291
you are wrong, and you do not understand what you are playing

>>385682071
By what metric is MGS4 'arguably the best MGS game'?

EPIC ending. I don't think you know what retcon is. There is no rewrite that contradicts the previously established facts and history set up by the previous games. The fact that they managed to tie it off in semi coherent matter is an utter masterpiece in itself, let alone ending in a full bang of send offs.

>>385682305
At least V didnt make Meryl a Silverback Gorilla who marries the joke character who shits his pants

V's development of Huey is literally better written than anything in 4

>>385682396
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Retcon

>>385682413
>i'm just now remembering the black guy with the coke monkey
Moments like this makes me kinda of relate with veterans who have warzone flashbacks.

>>385681937
his major point is that they broke the friendship from the first game and made it shity

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>>385682487
Again these faggots don't know what a retcon is. Reveal is not retcon

>Donald Anderson and Sigint are revealed to be the same person.
Is there any source that says they were two separate person? Did Donald Anderson and Sigint met in a cutscene in 3? Nope. Revealed != retcon

>Para-Medic is revealed to be Dr. Clark, the person responsible for Gray Fox's cybernetic augmentation, despite being referred to as a male in Metal Gear Solid.[3]
The male referral is due to Japanese being gender neutral. See pic related, where an unrevealed female character (Maria) referred to as he. Other than that same logic with Sigint situation applies

>EVA is revealed to be the surrogate mother of Solid and Liquid Snake.
Same deal. Reveal =! retcon

These faggots at the wiki are grasping straws and don't know what retcon means. It doesn't mean a reveal that you don't particularly like, otherwise one can say that "Darth Vader is revealed to be Luke's father" as retcon too, as there were no hint of him being Luke's father in IV.

>>385682962
>(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
Literally all retcons familia.

>>385682962
http://thesnakesoup.org/myth-articles/myth-dr-clarks-gendering-in-metal-gear-solid-was-a-translation-error/

>>385682487
>Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
>Strangelove is revealed to be Hal Emmerich's mother.

Kek these people don't know the difference between retcon, which contradicts previously established canon and just a straight up reveal

>>385671878
I always liked 4

>>385683156
It doesn't have to contradict, it can just recontextualize an understanding. Not every retcon is a deconstructive one, constructive retcons exist too.

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I liked both!

>>385683298
>I like shit sandwiches and shit soup!

>>385671878
No, it's not good. It's just the opposite side of the coin. If you mashed Ground Zeroes together with MGSV and then mashed that together with MGS4 you would have the perfect game.

>>385683236
>It doesn't have to contradict, it can just recontextualize an understanding. Not every retcon is a deconstructive one, constructive retcons exist too

Okay but when people uses retcon here, they mean it in a negative manner, as in the new writing contradict the previously established facts.

There is nothing wrong with constructive retcons, ala' Luke I'm your father that recontextualize events in the past. It would be better writing if it has foreshadowing, but it doesn't need to.

>>385683079
>It is revealed that the game takes place in 1999, three years after the events of Metal Gear. In the original game and its manual, the year of its setting was unspecified (19XX).
Literally the first one, not a retcon

>Although not in the main game, the Metal Gear 2 section of the Previous Operations menu implies that Zanzibar Land had both been pursuing a nuclear weapons development program, and that the rest of the world had not been aware of their possessing nukes until after Dr. Kio Marv was captured by Zanzibar Land forces. This contradicts both the Metal Gear 2 manual and the game itself as it was stated that Zanzibar Land had been stealing nukes from disposal facilities, eventually becoming the world's only nuclear power, with the West being aware of this, since at least 1997.
The hidden nuclear free world ending is more canon to the MG games than MGS.
Great.

>>385683372
I never understood the point of this ridiculous analogy. I mean, sure, the implication is that most people would perceive you as wrong or disgusting...but what the fuck does that matter? Is not the more relevant point that if someone enjoys shit and they are entertained, the purpose of the product is achieved? Why would I give a fuck if you think the media I consume is "shit" based on your arbitrary standards?

>>385683590
99 is not XX therefore it's a retcon REEE

Man I don't know that the Metal Gear wiki is in such a bad state. These lists of retcons are terrible

>>385683151
>Kazuhira Miller loses his right arm and left leg while in Afghanistan. He was previously depicted with a full set of limbs in official artwork produced for Metal Gear Solid.
That was Liquid, wasn't it?

In gameplay perspective 4 can't even fit the boot of V.

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You guys know what's a retcon? MGSV shamelessly referring to Obama's Nuclear treaty in one of the random events timeline scroll, putting Obama well into Metal Gear canon while we know that the 44th president of the US is James Johnson in MGS2.

>>385684471
Also in the MG games, soviets and cold war were still a thing in 1999.
Then the mgs timelines suddenly remembered that the wall colapsed in 89.

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Was it kino?

>>385685068

Wasn't there complete nuclear disarmament and a fossil fuel crisis in the MSX games?

>>385673526
None of those are issues, and every single one makes sense in context, aside from the fanservice cameo of Mantis.

>>385686236
Yep, never metioned again.
Altrough V kinda acknowledges the nuclear disarmament in the secret ending.

>>385686527
Kojima has always treated the canonicity of those games pretty liberally, I mean in MG2 you literally kill Madnar but apparently he's around in MGS4 just because.

>>385672754
>MGS3 antagonists considered the worst in the series by fans
what is B&B, PW's tanks and heli's, MGSV's whatever the fuck, and MGS2's Bomberman, Vampire, and "Why does everything I touch dieeeee"?

Now, for why each story was fucky, MGS4 Kojima was forced to join in after a while after initially saying "fuck you im not doing MG anymore." While there are a lot of low, really bad moments in the game that are baffling, there are equally as many great high points. It's a mixed bag but overall prutty good.
Story wise, PW gets a worse reputation than it deserves, but that's too subjective. I feel like the duping was more intended to be PTSD bullshit where his regret and pain ensures he can't let go of The Boss mentally, thus resulting in him investigating in it to figure out what's going on, but there's no hard proof of that so disregard at will. Hot Coldman is shit good point. The tapes thing I'm assuming is due to it being released on a portable console, but it would have been nice to see some things in-game instead. That said, it's nowhere near as insulting as how far MGSV goes with it. Most PW tapes were simply slice of life stuff going on at Mother Base, where V just fucking loaded 90% of its interesting story in tapes, and it doesn't have the fucking portable console excuse to defend that either so it's just bullshit. As for the tech, I believe there was some sort of answer given in V but I can't recall what it was exactly, something about DARPA being bitches iirc. (1/2)

>>385687256
Now, MGSV is massive shit, but it also has a lot more stuff going on behind the scenes that messed up production, which ended up being pretty obvious at the end of the day (Ex: Kojima being locked in his office having to play a game of fucking telephone down to his workers so he can get his game at least somewhat working). Ground Zeroes on its own is much, much better than The Phantom Pain, not even on a subjective level but just fucking objectively better. The helicopter menu screen was much more stylistically interesting if a little more barren, every single Extra Ops was 10 times more interesting than a single one given in TPP, hard mode, FREE nostalgia costumes (TPP got these but only if you unlocked them in GZ and ported your save file over first so fuck it), better car ride cutscene with Skull Face, Skull Face's mystique allowed him to seem much more menacing as a villain even as he was giving you his life story, and he even managed to do so much more in GZ than he was able to do in TPP. In GZ, he...
>captured Chico and Paz and brutally tortured them till he obtained enemy intel
>baited Big Boss into the trap of rescuing Paz for his surprise attack
>successfully destroyed MB and incapacitated Big Boss for 9 fucking years
Compared to TPP, where he...:
>built yet another Metal Gear (canonically the second but for us it's nothing special) that required fucking Psycho Mantis who's here because fuck you to make it actually work
>made a super virus that was so incredibly convoluted in concept that there'd be no true benefit from releasing it besides seeing humanity cease
>Incapacitated Zero OFF SCREEN through the power of pure coincidence of just happening to accidentally fucking prick himself with a gifted pin
continued again fuck (2/3)

gameplay-wise MGS4 was pretty good, the story was a mess.

>>385687329
The only time he did anything that left a true, valuable impact on the series was through writing convenience and bullshittery and, again, was off screen, which was just insult to injury at that point. Either Kojima had no clue what the fuck he was doing with Skull Face (likely case) or he just fucking gave up when his office got raided and was told to fuck off.
While it's purely subjective, I think MGSV is the only real example of how bad Kojima can really be as a writer. PW can equally be one since it didn't have the production troubles behind it that left it in bad shape, but you could also chalk the mess ups there as console limitations. I'd like to think he's a competent writer, but it's likely the case that at best he's probably just a movie buff ideas man. We'll see how much he fucks up with Death Stranding.

>>385685068
Obviously how could they have known when they made the games

>>385676910
Or its just a really good game and you have bad taste.

>>385671878
What was Raiden's shitty chassis made of, anyway? Why was an ordinary knife able to pierce it so easily?

>>385685882
Yes it fucking was. V lacks intense shit like that

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>>385672010
on how many layers of contrarianism are you? is it just a normal opinion, or counter-contrarianism against /v/ single-layered contrarianism?

>>385671878
Seeing that Raiden reminds me how they fucked up Sam revelation in Revegeance's western versions
>in the jap version all cyborgs' blood was white like in MGS4
>western version changed it to red for no reason
>Sam was the only one that had red blood revealing he was still a real human bean
>since in the west everyone bleeds red it completely misses the point

>>385685882
I wish there was a little more to the mechanics. The lack of CQC was a little lame and, regardless of what one might think of the quick-time events, they should have at least been more varied. It's basically the same two animations over and over.

Thematically, it was great, but mechanically it was underwhelming.

>>385688239
>when mgs4 part of battle kicks in, any form of fighting is replaced with one button QTE
>because modern vidya is shit
truly, kojima meta is best meta

I kinda like to believe that, even if it was all just a ruse, a part of Liquid's spirit still resided in Ocelot. I kinda feel like the fact that FOXDIE didn't affect Ocelot until after the conditioning wore off seems to possibly imply that this is the case, or perhaps that's just wishful thinking.

>>385688138
Raiden says it out loud:
>He barely had any cyborg enhancements

So Liquid's fighting style is some form of boxing, but what's Snake's fighting style? He took some kinda Kung Fu-like stance in his fight with Liquid Ocelot.

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I LIKE ALL OF THE METAL GEAR GAMES AND THINK NONE OF THEM ARE BAD. FUCK ALL OF YOU IT IS A GREAT SERIES IN ITS ENTIRETY
but revegeance is the best

>>385688517
well, it's cooler to see only his blood being red and make your own conclusions than hearing piece of exposition, isn't it

>>385672998
dumb pigskin

>>385688753
Peace Walker was a bit disappointing. The stealth missions were probably the easiest in the entire franchise. The boss fights were varied; some were extremely tedious and others were kinda bland. The fact that every single boss fight was against a machine of some sort was also lame.

I think Peace Walker was probably the only game in the Solid series that didn't feature some freak, mutant, crazy cyborg or any sort of bizarre person.

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>>385672575

>>385688973
well, it features AI and evil loli, that sounds nice

but yeah, peace walker was obviously "mobile" game. boring boss fights where you just shoot the machines, boring levels, even story felt cheap except for ending.

>>385688973
Is agree the stealth missions were easy but to be honest I still enjoyed them for the contained nature they had with objectives. I'll sort of agree about the bosses all being machines was lame but I greatly enjoyed fighting them in non lethal means to capture the vehicles. Loved the helicopter and Pupa boss.

>didn't feature a crazy person
I'd arvue hot coldman was fucking bonkers

>>385689351
I mean in terms of abilities. Coldman was just a guy.

And I found those missions really boring, mainly because on some of the carrier missions, it took fucking forever for them to run out of soldiers.

>>385689664
A fair point

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>>385676910
>worst souls game
>in a world where DaS2 and 3 exist

Every "in defense of _________" is just contrarian bullshit.

>>385671878
MGS4 was always good.

Some people didn't like it because it went full fanservice. But then MGSV went 0 fanservice and it showed how fucking dull MGS can be if there's no fun allowed.

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>>385690106
Took 260 posts but we have a winner, fuck anyone who defends MGS4.

>>385671878
MGS4 is exactly as good and awful as it always has been

It may have destroyed MGS canon, but the last 30 seconds are perhaps my favorite ending in gaming.

>>385690275
I wish MGS4 had more codecs. You could only really talk to Otacon and Rose. Why couldn't you have a channel for Campbell, or Meryl, or even Sunny?

>>385674173
You are rubbish, it's the best one of the bunch.

>>385676375
Open world with "nothing" in it, snake hardly speaks a word, unfinished game, bullshit fulltonning everything like pokemon. And that's just the start

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>>385691927
Nope that would be 2.

>>385672775
Because they try to be as inoffensive as possible with bad opinions

>>385677451
i hope that you are just shitposting

>>385685882
yes

Did Snake deserve all his suffering? Or was he just paying for the karma of his father and brothers?

>>385672354
>>385678174
wasnt there a way before to keep your other data and just add in the necessary files with it, like making it all one backup or something? I remember seeing a guide on how to do this one day and then it was removed from the forums like the very next day.

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>>385671878
>GamingPrick
This guy has delivered some pretty terrible opinions.

Fucking hell, his defense of RE6 was fucking obnoxious, especially at the beginning of the video ("hurr durr sheeple don't like RE6 cuz they're wannabe critics"). Don't get me started on his Vanquish review. In another video, his "criteria" for proper usage of real-life actors being implemented in games was downright embarassing, and it just seemed like he had an axe to grind against Death Stranding or Kojima in general.
I could go on and on about this smug faggot, like the double standards he's displayed along the years. I wouldn't be surprised if he did a one 180 on his perspective of the God of War reboot and call it "awesome" and "legendary" like he did with RE6 (if anyone watched some of his older videos, you probably know what I mean).
I'm not in the mood to dig any more shit from him though, so take what I just said with a grain of salt if you must. Regardless, most of his videos tend to be incredibly shallow and one-sided. I have no idea why I keep seeing this guy popping up on /v/.

What does it mean to be superior in CQC? How is Liquid/Ocelot superior to Snake in CQC, but inferior in basic hand-to-hand combat? Does the presence of weapons or lack thereof make that much of a difference? But CQC can be utilized with or without a weapon.

Can someone who knows about martial arts explain this?

>>385679787
>1
First in the series and has the best atmosphere and surface narrative.
>2
Gameplay is fun and is very replayable.
>3
My personal first playthrough favorite, but I don't find it too replayable.

>>385671878
MGS4 was never bad, it's the contrarian nature of posters who didn't have a PS3 + were disappointed by MGS5 that made this a popular opinion. if you want to boil down a MGS game to being shit because it has "problems," welcome to a series that has 0 good games. of course this isn't actually true

>>385695614
The only real problem I have with MGS1 is that in order to get the Otacon ending, I have to have Snake tap out like a worthless bitch. I never especially liked Meryl, but I don't like giving up the torture sequence either.

>>385685882
still no Kojima influenced fighting game. I'm disappointed with video games

Outside of tarnishing MGS2's story 4 did nothing wrong

5 was a piece of shit on many fronts

>>385695776
4 tarnished the MGS universe not just 2.

>>385695776
I honestly kind of admire MGS4's shitty write-offs. It turned "nanomachines" into the science fiction equivalent of "a wizard did it." That's actually kind of impressive desu

>>385695823
nah it was fucked up by 3 with the boss, AKA ruiner of MGS

>>385695869
fuck off retard

MGS is far from the Shakespeare that people associated it with in their teenage years but MGS3 did nothing wrong with the lore. it just sabotaged any notion of subtext in the series

>>385675994
>>385676092
>>385676170
Yeah it has a lot of great mechanics and ideas, too bad that unlike MGS4, there are no extremely well designed levels and encounters to use them on

>>385695857
It didn't completely write off the mysterious nature of the series. Psycho Mantis was still a psychic. Vamp had his own regenerative abilities that were only amplified by nanomachines. Ocelot was still possessed by Liquid at some point, before he had his arm amputated.

>>385695925
>MGS3 did nothing wrong with the lore
>introduced mary sue the boss who ruined the story of every subsequent MGS and the story of 3
>biggest retard of a villain
>james bond pea brain story instead of social commentary

>>385672575
Portable Ops has better level design and bosses than Peace Walker.

>>385695927
the threat detection ring is legitimately brilliant and I will irl fight anyone who tries to tell me otherwise

also shitting on a game for having hour-long cutscenes in a series that achieved all its notoriety for being cinematic is hyper snowflake

>>385696017
Unfortunately, it's on the PSP. That camera is unforgivable.

>>385672010
>>385696017
Peace walker is one of the worst games I've ever played in my life, this isn't an exaggeration

>>385671878
MGS4 was always good
It's not great, like the first 3, but god damn does it have it moments

>>385695964
It did ruin Psycho Mantis though.
>His dying words in MGS1 were that he wished he used his powers for good
>Given a second chance in the afterlife in MGS4
>Still evil
A+ Kojima.

>>385695964
You don't seem to know what really went on. Vamp's regenerative abilities turned out to be 100% nanomachines, hence the entire way you're able to beat him in the boss fight. Ocelot's possession stopped well before MGS4, despite the fact that his Japanese VA is Liquid's because Ocelot's VA--but the encyclopedia files as well as the reveal of him having a robot arm are proof that he was purely under hypnosis. Psycho Mantis was pure fanservice who dismantled any significance the actual boss would have had. I still like MGS4

>>385679787
2 > 1 = 4 > PW > V > 3

>>385696079
The camera is unfortunate but I really enjoyed Portable Ops nonetheless. Peace Walker felt like a mediocre clone of Portable Ops with shitty concessions to the monster hunter audience. It had better controls but worse everything else.

>>385695776
V had a lackluster story and bosses, but the problems with the open world are massively over-stated, especially with the praise Nier Automata has been getting, which is FAR worse than MGSV in that department. If you want a game with lots busy work and insufferable runbacks to the quest givers with a high amount of cannon fodder enemies along the way, then look no further than that game.
The only thing that saves that from being a bigger flaw than it is is the soundtrack. That's no joke.

>>385696176
because Ocelot's VA died*

>>385690421
you mean the credit screen dialogue between snake and otacon?

>>385682071
Incredibly good and interesting mechanics coupled with level and encounter design that was almost as tight as in MGS2, these are the HUGE flaws of pretty much every Big Boss game except maybe PW.

>>385696240
>but the problems with the open world are massively over-stated
no they aren't, the empty unfinished world would be excusable if the fast travel system didn't take 5 minutes to arrive and another minute to take off

>Neri Automata
extremely overrated game by Tarotards

>>385696240
>he only thing that saves that from being a bigger flaw than it is is the soundtrack. That's no joke.

it's also a lot more fun because of the battle system and the AI not being complete retards

>>385696176
Nope. It's stated outright that Vamp's natural regenerative abilities were amplified by the nanomachines. Even without them, he still had some regenerative power.

Ocelot really was possessed by Liquid's spirit in MGS2, back when he had Liquid's arm. However, this proved to be more of a burden than he was willing to bear, so he cut it off and replaced it with a robotic arm, and used hypnotherapy and nanomachines in order to fool the Patriots into thinking he was still possessed. However, there was some degree of supernatural shit going on; for some reason, FOXDIE only affected Ocelot after he regained his original state of mind.

>good games are bad
>bad games are good
never change, /v/.

>>385696449
/v/ likes the first three Solid games though because they're good.

>>385672185
I hate it because I can get the same experience watching it on youtube as I would playing it
>but muh bosses!
That are pretty much the same as the ones on Shadow Moses?

>>385696037
MGS4 is the second best game in the series if we look at it purely as a game. MGS2 of course takes the throne as it is just incredibly fucking tightly designed from start to finish.

>>385696347
>>empty unfinished world would be excusable if the fast travel system didn't take 5 minutes to arrive and another minute to take off
>>5 minutes to arrive
>he doesn't know he can use the Phantom Cigar to speed up the the chopper's arrival
>he doesn't he can just return to the ACC after reaching a checkpoint and all mission progress is saved
wew

>>385671878
I'm surprised this isn't an hbombercuck video.

>>385696363
I followed this series religiously through 4 and have only a vague idea what you're talking about. Perhaps that's to Kojima's credit. But I can distinctly recall 4 retconning Vamp to being purely nanomachines (how could you have actually killed him otherwise). I'm well aware of the latter half of your post but the idea of "still some degree of supernatural shit going on" sounds like headcanon. The in-game canon and encyclopedia go well out of their way to explain Ocelot relinquished himself of the possession in lieu of hypno therapy well before the events of the game. Even though MGS3 perfectly explained it, subtly, by revealing that Ocelot's father was really a medium. I still have a ton of nostalgia attached to MGS4. I miss my friends.

>>385696550
still takes minutes to get to one area to another

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>>385696537
>MGS4 is the second best game in the series if we look at it purely as a game.

>>385696106
was it you first and only game?
>this isn't an exaggeration
yes it is.

>>385696537
yeah, you can look at it that way, but you have to consider MGS as a whole was only renowned in the first place for how well it blended cinematic narrative elements with the gameplay. 2 arguably does this well, but the most memorable parts go full-tilt into exposition. 4 goes ham on all fronts and it's hard not to love it for it, even if it doesn't always work to its favor. 3 is probably still the best for being balanced overall.

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>>385673526
>Chapter 2 and 5
>chapter fucking 1 (gameplay peak of the series)
>Raiden's story arc
>the genius of Old Snake
>Laughing Octopus
>Crying Wolf
>Metal Gear Fight
>Ocelot
>radiation scene

also
>caring about MGS' story
The first game was a cool action b movie
The second was a post modern art piece where the actual events didn't matter
Even snake eater was just a cool action b movie but with better characters

The entire series save the second (and v because it's fucking gay) is just one big silly b movie, why the fuck would you give a shit about the integrity of the plot. You can still love the characters and the iconic moments but to get autistic about Naomi being a computer scientist or characters seemingly coming back from the dead is just that - fucking autistic.

>>385696225
>tfw I bought Portable Ops Plus because I thought it was just the same game but with more stuff
>turns out it has absolutely no story
>don't get to see a single one of those graphic-novel style cutscenes
Maybe one of these days I'll just watch it on Youtube if I'm really bored or something.

>>385696596
So that's like, every other non-linear game then. Dark Souls had you run all over the place just to simply meet a merchant before you got your hands on the lord vessel.

>>385696669
It honestly isn't, the only part I enjoyed was the MH crossover fights. All other gameplay/story aspects of PW were putrid shit. The only reason I trudged through it was to get the story down before MGSV came out and MGSV's story being shit/nonexistent only exacerbates my hatred for PW. I would honestly put PW in my top 10 worst games I've ever played

>>385696592
Naomi states offhand that the nanomachines enhanced Vamp's natural regenerative abilities.

There have always been supernatural shit. Psycho Mantis, the Sorrow, Volgin, Vamp. However, part of the point of MGS4 is that technology has long since surpassed the bizarre freaks of the past. The B&B Unit and Cyborgs are proof of that; exosuit and cyborg technology have produced soldiers that have long since surpassed the Cobra Unit and FOXHOUND.

Snake is the true freak, being capable of keeping up with that shit well up until a year before his death.

>>385675037
are you fucking underage? have you never read a book or watched a movie where the events aren't to be taken literally?

>>385696746
difference is dark souls has actual level design instead of an empty open world

>>385675463
MGSV was objectively bad, and I never use the word objectively. Through logic and reason I can conclusively prove it was bad and the worst in the mainline series.

>>385696706
you're missing the fact that these are video games. MGS1 was a surprisingly competent B-movie integrated with a fun game. MGS2 was legitimately thought-provoking. 3 had some bad writing--it's like every piece of subtext and character background had to be explained outright to the audience--but its self awareness of the series tropes and homage to what inspired the series as a whole were brilliant.

>just one big silly b movie
one big silly B movie that successfully raised awareness of real life social issues thanks to its use of stoic yet relatatable characters. you cant take your anti-intellectual shit right the hell out of here

>>385679498
MGS3 is really the only game that competes with 5 though. 4 is just a clusterfuck, only the first two chapters have anything remotely resembling the enjoyable gameplay of 3 and 5, the rest of it is complete shit. MGS1 and 2 are a completely different style of game more in line with MG1 and 2 so it's pointless to compare them. Peace Walker is worthless.

Keeping all that in mind, I'd say MGS3 is the better package overall (particularly as far as level design goes, though I think people overstate how bad V's level design is), but on a moment to moment basis, I enjoy the gameplay of V more. I sank a lot more time into MGSV than I ever did MGS3.

>>385671878
I guarantee you it would get less shit if it weren't a PS3 exclusive

>>385672185
This

>>385675994
>the fox engine is a legitimately almost perfect engine

ftfy
there's nothing good about the actual game, everything good about it stems from the fox engine being so fire

>>385696628
If the entire game played like the first two acts, I think it might surpass MGS3. Unfortunately about half the game is irredeemable trash which puts it in the bottom tier of the series.

>>385696858
I buy that. I didn't make much use of the Codec in MGS4. But it goes right in hand with the meme vs. gene theme of the series as a whole, with Snake being the supreme soldier through combat experience despite the pure bred killing machines that comprise the rogues' gallery.

>>385697072
>It would be the best if it most of it wasn't trash
I could make the same argument for Skyward Sword but that's not how video games work.

>>385697045
>I have no idea what a game engine is
Christ people are so eager to flaunt their ignorance and stupidity.

>>385671878
lol no MGS4 is shit no matter what.
Its the only game in the series I will actually say is complete shit.
I did not enjoy that game at all and it confuses me to this day that Kojima worked on it.

>>385697139
The difference is that MGS4 has those first two acts which are great, Skyward Sword is just trash from beginning to end.

>>385683298
fuck you

>>385671878
>mgs5 is shit
i'm sorry you don't like good gameplay, anon.
>but muh story
read a book, nerd. the story of mgs isn't even good, it has good characters but the plot branches too much into bland events for the sake of social commentary and 4th wall breaking meta commentary.

>>385697072
>If the entire game played like the first two acts
But it's not, meaning your entire opinion is invalid.

MGS4 and its fans represent everything wrong with Metal Gear.

MGSV had problems, but at least that game has some balls to try new stuff with the franchise. MGS4 on the other hand is just a game born out of people bitching about the great ending of MGS2. People who like MGS4 want safe, they want predictable, they want MG to be like 90% of all other franchises.

At least have the decency to like something that's predictable and actually good, like MGS3.

>>385697201
The Lanayru section of SS was great though, if the other two areas were like that then it would be a far better game.

>>385697139
>>385697201
skyward is even worse because only the desert is good

>>385685882
you literally cannot get more kino, my friend