Are you ready for 2018 the year of JRPGs?

I really hope World will be good. I need a good MonHun for console/pc

>>385503535
Add xenoblade 2 because it will be delayed 100%

>>385503535
What game is that with the cute blonde girl?

>>385503887
ni no kuni 2 and its boy but i guess it doesnt matter

>>385503535
Where's the fourth screenshot from? It looks like a Ghibli movie.

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>DQXI
>MH
>KH3
I'd unironically rather replay FFXV. Bottom thing might be good but I ain't payin' $60 for that shit.

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>>385503929
>its boy but i guess it doesnt matter

>>385503535
Does DQ 11 even have an actual English release date yet?

Also, you're missing the Granblue console game

>>385503535
MH and KH hell yessssssssss
>>385503869
Lol

>>385504028
yes, 2018

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>>385503535
>monster hunter
>rpg

>>385503535
How many of them are on the Switch? That's all I care about right now.

>>385504165
>action rpgs aren't rpgs
Come on.

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>>385504169

>>385504165
yes its rpg

>>385504212
in what way is mh an rpg

>MHW
>jRPG

also 2017 is better than 2018 because of P5/XC2

>KH3
>2018

laughing elfman

>>385504280
You can't be serious.

>>385504165
>>385504280
In the course of my career as a vidcon specialist (my own coinage, spend it wisely), I have never seen such blatant and frankly sickening ignorance as that exhibited by the "people" (if, in fact, they are homo sapiens at all, as their intelligence implies elsewise) that claim that Monster Hunter is not an RPG. There is nothing that Kaname "Candy" Fujioka could possibly do to make the vidcon any more of an RPG as it meets every single criterion for being one, particularly that it takes place in an imaginary realm with a fantastical beastiary, the damsel villain ratio is at or above standards, and that the core emphasis of the gameplay is on bedazzling all foes with impeccable swords and sorcery. Furthermore, this line of thought can be extended to all vidcons in which the player controls a character (hence, roleplaying), though I cringe slightly at the thought of such mundane vidcons as Madden being RPGs, as they do not even include exotic weaponry such as the tonfa.

>>385504338
please list the ways mh is an rpg
for me, some random anon.

>>385503937
I think that's Ni No Kuni 2.

>>385504332
Did you not watch the latest trailer? They announced it was coming in 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y7UK4nqnQ

>hack and slash action games
>rpgs

>>385504431
yeah I did, I also watched the FF versus 13 trailer in 2008

>>385504212
>>385504254
Monster hunter is about taking quests in some small hub area, being thrown into the jungle with a monster, and coming back,
No story.
No ending.

>>385503535
>mhw
>jrpg

fucking hang yourself

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>>385503535
JRPG's are shit, except the ones with nostalgic value.

>>385504468
What release year did that trailer say?

>>385504280
It's not, it's an action game with stats. New Vegas and Gothics are action RPGs, /v/ has no clue about the roleplaying genre, so don't even bother.

>>385504280
Multiple weapon types, multiple roles to choose from.

>>385504578
Call of Duty is my favourite RPG.

>>385504368
>The crafting system
>Equipment upgrading
>stat buffs and debuffs both permanent and not
>special effects that can be put on your weapon with RNG for success
>Vulnerability zones on every monster that has its own numerical calculations
>Quest system from posters and people
>item collection that can be used then or later
>Mining for fish
>Fishing for ores
>Bowling for eggs
>Eating before missions for their own rng based stat buffs

>>385504431
Remember when Persona 5 was set to release in 2014?
Oh man, that was a funny joek.

>>385504546
none but I dont' trust nomura after that shit

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>>385504546
no release year, but it did say this

>>385504578
league of legend is my favourite rpg

>>385503535
Can Monster Hunter really be considered a JRPG? Excited for KH3 and Ni no Kuni 2, though.

>>385504481
>taking quests
>rest is just fluff
Yep. An RPG

What even is a JRPG?
Do they have specific specifications or are they literally just RPGs made in Japan?

>>385504468
There has been 1 KH game ever delayed and that time was because Sqaure pushed most of its other games back.

>>385504367
>it takes place in a fantastical realm therefore it has to be an rpg
this is literally the dumbest thing I've heard all week
so you're telling me super mario is an rpg?
>monsters
>villains
calling the monsters "villains" is the dumbest thing you can say about these games, it's not that black and white you know.
>the player controls a character (hence, roleplaying)
ah okay, pacman confirmed for being an rpg

>I'm a guy who looks at video games, I know what I'm fucking talking about
just kill yourself, you're an embarrassment

>>385503535
Which one is going to be on PC so I can start caring?

Nothing screams "I've never played Monster Hunter" more than saying it's an RPG.

>>385504710
>Monster Hunter really be considered a JRPG?
It's not a JRPG, so is Souls
They're good games but they're action games with stats. not JRPGs

>>385504765
just think about how 3 out of 4 of those games differ from MH and you get JRPG

>>385504773
m8, he called video games "vidcons"

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>>385504624
>The crafting system
>Equipment upgrading
>special effects that can be put on your weapon with RNG for success
>Vulnerability zones on every monster that has its own numerical calculations
>item collection that can be used then or later
>Mining for fish
>Fishing for ores
>Bowling for eggs
>Eating before missions for their own rng based stat buffs
None of this has anything to do with RPGs. The real question is: can you you solve quests in the game by using at least the three archetypal solution methods (Sneak, Speak, Slay), which have their availability and effectiveness tied to the way you've built your character? No? Then it's not a RPG, it's that simple.

Wake me up when MH has dinosaur diplomacy, then you might have an argument.

>>385504765
A "JRPG" is a game derived from Wizardry.

>>385504501
>fucking hang yourself

if you consider this a reason for someone to hang himself then you really need to hang yourself right now

>>385504864
>The real question is: can you you solve quests in the game by using at least the three archetypal solution methods (Sneak, Speak, Slay), which have their availability and effectiveness tied to the way you've built your character?
What the fuck.
So none of the above games are RPGS?

>>385503535
Monster hunter is an action game.

>>385504859
>video game
>console
>vid
>con
>vidcon
It's not rocket science

>>385504954
Of course not. J"RPGs" are RPGs in name only.

>>385504954
Yes.

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Monster Hunter only has one RPG.

>>385504987
it's also one giant shitpost copypasta you responded to.

>>385504992
Just curios Is souls an rpg to you? I mean speak and sneak are not really options in those games.

to you roleplaying is not about creating characters and managing stats and gear?
The name Roleplaying is really wrong then.

number based combat + narrative = JRPG

they used to be called console-style RPGs which is more fitting since some western devs have made "JRPG-likes"

>>385504968
Does the game last longer than 10 hours?
Do numbers visibly appear?
Do you play as anything that isn't a vague inanimate object?


Then it's an rpg! fuck you!

>>385504649
One game being cancelled because of technical problems isn't something you can blame on a single person. Likewise, a video game is not developed by a single person either. Kingdom Hearts 3 is being developed by the team that has been consistently releasing Kingdom Hearts titles for the past decade. Their track record is squeaky clean.

>>385504169
Dragonquest11

>>385505102
good to hear call of duty is an rpg

>>385504169
>Switch
Get fucked, Nintent.oddler.

>>385505193
Not really. But it is nice to tell everyone you don't understand and you are stupid.

>>385503535
What systems will all those games be on?

>>385505232
That doesn't answer his question.

>>385504987
m8, he's doing a reference

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I can't tell if you are all pretending or if you are actually retarded.

>>385505065
>Just curios Is souls an rpg to you?
Of course not, why would it be? It's an action game with stats just like MH, it doesn't allow you to approach problem solving by using different archetypal solution methods (note: using different weapons does not constitute different solution methods, these are just the different tools present in the Slay archetypal solution), based on how you've built your character.

>roleplaying is not about creating characters and managing stats and gear?
Stats and gear are meaningless on their own and do not provide any roleplaying depth simply by being in a game. Roleplaying involves defining your role (i.e. character generation and advancement) and then acting in-role in different situations the game throws at you, which basically means solving different problems and quests in a way that best befits your character. If a game like MH or DS does not provide you with alternative ways to do things and allows you to solve problems only via combat, there is no roleplaying depth or freedom of any kind and the game is not a RPG.

Examples of RPGs with action-y combat are games like New Vegas and Bloodlines, these games fit the proper RPG definition while still having action combat, so you can call them action RPGs or whatever, but, in the end, the roleplaying depth is still there and the way combat occurs is irrelevant, as long as combat efficiency is tied to your decisions during character generation and advancement.

>>385505246
>dude if it has numbers and a story it's an rpg
do you even understand how fucking broad that is?

>>385505369
So name an action-rpg please
I wonder if you think that genre even exist

And if they don't what would you name them?

Because if rpg is too broad for you then I have big fucking problem with calling all games just action games.

>>385505369
I get where you're coming from, but just calling MH and DS action games would give the general public the wrong idea, because when I hear "action game" I think more along the lines of Revengeance or Bayonetta

>>385505298
PS4

>>385505428
>So name an action-rpg please
I already did: New Vegas, Bloodlines, Gothic games and I'm sure there are some others. All have many multi-solution quests with alternative solutions being heavily dependent on the way you've built your character and all of these games feature quests where the whole spectrum of archetypal solutions exists (i.e. not just the 3 basic solution archetypes, but combinations of them as well).

i want the mh faggots to leave

All I want is another Suikoden or BoF-esque game. Why did shit like Tales and Final Faggotry survive and the latter didnt? Fuck this gay earth.

>>385503535
can't wait to play these on my switch

>>385504797
Monster Hunter World

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>>385505619
>guyz monster hunter is an rpg
>"as someone who is a fan of the series, I can tell you it's not"
>ugh! fucking toxic fanbase!

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>>385505619

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>>385503535
KH3 is in 2018 days

>>385503535
>monster hunter
>jrpg
KEK!

>>385503535
Cyber Sleuth 2 is getting a 2018 worldwide release too.

>>385505587
So New vegas is in no way a shooter to you?

>>385505808
Why is this fanbase so retarded.

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I swear on every other board I would think everyone is just fucking around.

>>385506305
It's actually one of the more chill fanbases.
Threads are cozy, multiplayer is lighthearted fun and no-one's a dick.
Only thing that's happened lately is console war shitposting by people who never really cared about the game franchise

I'd say you're the retarded one for thinking your argument holds more validity than people who have had hundreds of hours experience with the topic.

>>385506172
The way combat system works is of no consequence as long as character combat efficiency is dependent on the way the way player builds and advances their character. Is combat in NV an optional solution to quests and encounters? Yes, it is. Do the stats, perks and skills that are used to define your role govern character combat efficiency? Yes, they do. Does the game feature the other two archetypal solution methods, ensuring that combat is not the only option all the time? Yes, it does. It's a RPG, the rest is irrelevant, you can call it simply a RPG or an action RPG it makes no difference, because the roleplaying depth is still there.

>>385503535
My question OP is how and where did you find that DQXI wallpaper? I need it now.

>>385506478
I have several hundred hours more in Monster Hunter than you I guarantee it

Its definitely an action RPG. I mean its almost its own genre with how many clones there are.

>>385506489
See but it is an action-rpg
Meaning it doesn't have to lean so heavy on the rpg aspects and has action

What you are describing are pure rpgs
And to say gameplay is not important for the gesamtkunstwerk of videogames is the most retarded shit you have said so far
In fact it is the most important part of a video game and the definition and figuring out the genre.

>>385504507
Would someone who's never played this enjoy it?

Can we all just accept that video games have evolved so much that genres can overlap, and that one game may not strictly belong to a single classification?
Fallout: NV is an RPG, but it also has enough depth that you can just go into things guns-blazing and play it like an action game.
MonHun isn't an RPG, but the variety of weapons, armor skills, and Hunter Arts starting from Generations, means that in co-op, each player has a unique playstyle that you can take into consideration to hunt more efficiently, kind of like building a party in, say, Dragon Quest IX.
Similarly, in Borderlands, characters can be built around your playstyle.

>>385506786
See at this point you are arguing that action-rpgs aren't rpgs. Which actually is not that crazy.

The fact that they are so different from normal rpgs is why there is such a distinction between pure rpgs and action-rpgs.

>>385506649
>What you are describing are pure rpgs
There is no difference in definition between "action" and "pure" RPGs. They're either RPGs or not, there is no middle state. If a game qualifies as a RPG, it might as well qualify as an action RPG, but it's still a RPG in the first place and the way the combat system works is completely irrelevant from the roleplaying point of view.

>Meaning it doesn't have to lean so heavy on the rpg aspects and has action
Define "action".

>>385506874
>There is no difference in definition between "action" and "pure" RPGs.
Yes there fucking is.

>>385506567
http://gematsu.com/gallery/dragon-quest-xi/july-17-2017/

>>385506925
>Yes there fucking is.
There isn't. You're probably thinking that the middle state would be a "game with RPG elements", but pretty much any videogame has RPG elements.

>>385507062
EXACTLY
Almost any game has RPG elements so that is clearly not enough.
The stupid example people give is Call of Duty. Because nobody would call that an rpg

But there are still games that are more RPGs than Call of Duty but still not quite pure RPGs
Which is why anyone sane calls them action RPGs.

I mean fuck Genres don't always make sense. The evolution of the term metroidvania is stupid. Roguelike is still stupid for the most part.
To go this much into detail and argue that there is such a small margin for any genre is to miss the point of Genre's at all.

I am curious now . What Genre would you give to Monster Hunter.

>>385507264
>MH
Rehash genre

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>>385506927
>http://gematsu.com/gallery/dragon-quest-xi/july-17-2017/

based anon

>>385507391
Even the first Monster Hunter?

>>385507264
Action

>>385506873
Exactly.
Action-RPGs aren't like traditional RPGs, they just have enough depth in customisation or variety in characters that one character's role can either be built based on their stats and equipment(e.g. Dark Souls and MonHun), or has already been built by the developers and it's up to you to decide what to do with them(e.g. Kingdom Hearts); what matters is that their role actually affects the gameplay to a considerable degree.

>>385507449
That isn't too broad to you but putting it into action-rpg is crossing the line?

Action alone is not even a genre. Because it is too broad.

>>385507264
>But there are still games that are more RPGs
What you mean is those games have more RPG elements, but simply having RPG elements is not enough for a game to be called a RPG.

Example: one game has 20 stats that govern character efficiency in combat, while the other - 50, however, both games do not feature any alternative solution methods to quests and encounters other than combat. Which game is "more RPG"? The correct answer is both of them are not RPGs and the number of RPG elements doesn't matter, if the most important requirement is not meant: the game must have at least the most basic roleplaying depth, at least one quest that can be solved in different ways and the efficiency of the player's character while trying to execute those solutions should depend on how the player built the character in question. If this basic condition is not meant, no amount of roleplaying elements will make a game a RPG.

>What Genre would you give to Monster Hunter.
Action game. You can say "action game with roleplaying elements", but this is redundant as all the moedrn games I know of have roleplaying elements.

>>385507645
>You can say "action game with roleplaying elements", but this is redundant as all the moedrn games I know of have roleplaying elements.
You just explained why it doesn't work

So to you Call of Duty and Monster Hunter are genuinely the same genre and to say Monster Hunter and Souls are similar as their balance of action and RPG goes is crazy

I think you just like RPGs too much that you miss the point of genres.

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>>385506927
no way this was designed by tori

>>385507831
It explains why DBSuper looks so shit, this is where his effort is going.

>>385507817
>So to you Call of Duty and Monster Hunter are genuinely the same genre
The way combat works is irrelevant from a roleplaying perspective. You can use a sword, a gun or a disembodied horsecock, it doesn't matter.

>to say Monster Hunter and Souls are similar as their balance of action and RPG goes is crazy
Again, define "action", then define "RPG". If by "action" you mean character actions that are purely player skill dependent and do not depend on the (stat) system used to define the character (if there is one in the first place) and by "RPG" you mean character actions whose efficiency depends on character defining statistics, then the proportion between these actions in a game is irrelevant from a roleplaying POV as well, simply because there is no roleplaying in the first place due to lack of alternative solution methods other than combat. These are games with different amounts of RPG elements, but they're still not RPGs and the precise amount of RPG elements is really irrelevant to me.

>>385508090
>hese are games with different amounts of RPG elements, but they're still not RPGs and the precise amount of RPG elements is really irrelevant to me.
Exactly
They are action-rpgs.

should i play ni no kuni on PS3 or PC@?'

>Roaches literally killed MH.

The franchise can't recover

>>385508290
>It can't recover from finally evolving
Darn.

>>385503535
Why does that DQXI picture look like the cover of an early 00's alternative rock band?

Monster hunter isn't an RPG. There's no role-playing involved.

>>385504830
yeah
I mean, MH is more like a boring chore simulator

>>385508146
>They are action-rpgs.
OK, I think I understand your problem - you somehow think that the efficiency of character actions in RPGs is governed purely by his/her statistics (or other means of defining the role like background or alignment or whatever) and that "action" elements do not exist in "pure" RPGs, but you are wrong. If by action elements we consider character actions independent of character role definition, then even "pure" RPGs have action elements, since the overall tactical behaviour (i.e. the decision making process: where to move, who to shoot and so on) of the character in combat is governed purely by player skill.

Pretty much ANY game has both action and roleplaying elements, but the proportion of these elements in the game is irrelevant from the roleplaying POV if there is no roleplaying depth, which is created via allowing the player to solve problems in different archetypal ways.

>>385508538
>Pretty much ANY game has both action and roleplaying elements, but the proportion of these elements in the game is irrelevant from the roleplaying POV i
I actually agree.
But it is very relevant when it comes to determining the Genre.

>>385508423
>being a hunter
>living in a house in a village with npcs
>can cook and can plant shit and mine and fish
>can take quests and upgrade equipment

MH is an action role playing game and so are the souls games

>>385503535
Spring of 2017 was already great

>>385508694
OK, one game has a lot of action elements and some roleplaying elements while the other game - a lot of roleplaying elements and some action elements. Neither games feature any solutions to any of the quests or encounters other than combat. Which game is the action RPG?

>>385508904
The second example comes close to action RPG.

>>385508904
Neither.

>>385508904
>Which game is the action RPG?
Both

>>385508943
It doesn't, because a game cannot be an action RPG without being a RPG in the first place. Both of these games are action games or action games with RPG elements, whichever way you prefer to call them, but neither is a RPG.

>>385509072
Define an RPG

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>>385508390
DQXI is supposed to be a modern take on the series

>>385509072
>It doesn't, because a game cannot be an action RPG without being a RPG in the first place.
Sorry but Genres don't bend to your autism.

If you want to give them another name like "half-rpgs" or whatever then that is fine but it is too late to change it now.

>>385509197
>that screenshot
>multiplat with 3DS
H... how?

>>385509109
Already did in my very first post >>385504864. A RPG allows you to stay "in-role" in different situations throughout the game, i.e. solve various quests/encounters/general problems in different archetypal ways and the efficiency of your character when performing these solutions is dependent on the way the character was defined through the roleplaying system (stats, perks, skills, alignment, background and more).

>>385509257
3DS version is a completely different game.

>>385509206
>Sorry but Genres don't bend to your autism.
>my autism
More like genres don't bend to your arbitrary definitions when they have been defined in PnP before you were even born. Don't make me whip out the pasta.

>>385503535
>2017
>not an RPG
>will come out "in the next three years or so"
>Ni no Kuni
Wew.

>>385509335
>More like genres don't bend to your arbitrary definitions
But its not my definition
ARPG has been a genre for a long time now

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>>385509287
Video game genres are typically defined by the mechanics of the video game.

RPGs are played with stats and equipment.
Hence, those become RPG elements, and are a mainstay in RPGs.
This all starts way back with Dragon Quest and other early RPGs, which, with their limited hardware, could only translate so much of the experience of a tabletop RPG.

What you propose is a concept that can be utilized by RPG systems, but is not in itself a genre.
You would be denying Final Fantasy's legitimacy as an RPG, due to the limitations it was forced to work under in 1987.

In fact, there are games that do exactly what you're describing, more or less, without being RPGs at all.

>>385509523
>In fact, there are games that do exactly what you're describing, more or less, without being RPGs at all.
This guy is fine calling splinter cell an RPG but not the souls series.

>>385509523
>RPGs are played with stats and equipment.
Stats and equipment do not define a RPG.

>Hence, those become RPG elements, and are a mainstay in RPGs.
RPG elements are not exclusive to RPGs. The presence of RPG elements does not make a game a RPG, otherwise Call of Duty would be a RPG, since it has perks that affect gameplay and character combat efficiency in particular.

>What you propose
This is not something that I propose, this is how RPGs are defined by people who made PnP RPGs before you were even born (covered in my next post).

>You would be denying Final Fantasy's legitimacy as an RPG
Anyone familiar with the RPG genre would, yes.

>In fact, there are games that do exactly what you're describing, more or less, without being RPGs at all.
Name them.

>>385509476
faggot

>>385509506
>ARPG has been a genre for a long time now
Who defined it? Point me to a source (an actual credible source that has the credentials to defines the genre) and then we'll talk.

Meanwhile, here you go:

>I do not, and I stress NOT, believe that the RPG is "storytelling" in the way that is usually presented. If there is a story to be told, it comes from the interaction of all participants, not merely the Game Master--who should not be a "Storyteller" but a narrator and co-player! The players are not acting out roles designed for them by the GM, they are acting in character to create the story, and that tale is told as the game unfolds, and as directed by their actions, with random factors that even the GM can't predict possibly altering the course of things.

I'll let you figure out who said this yourself.

>The players are not acting out roles designed for them by the GM (the equivalent of the overall game interactivity in computer RPGs), they are acting in character to create the story
>acting in character
>to create the story

Acting in character - playing in a way that corresponds to your previous character generation and advancement choices.

The phrase "to create a story" means that a RPG is interactive by very definition, so that players should be able to progress and solve quests and encounters in different ways.

Combine these two things and you get the definition of a RPG: a game where you can progress in different ways while staying in character or, in other words, a game where you can progress in different ways based on your previous character building choices.

>>385503535
>gay

Gay-are-Pee-jizz?

>thinking even for a moment that KH3 will be out before 3rd-4th qrt 2019

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>>385509928
haha good one

>>385509858
Anon Genre definitions don't work by who is the most qualified to define them and then a word from that person

They work by usage
That is how language works

Did you not understand my example of Metroidvania?

>>385504468
Made me laugh , thx anon.

I'm just glad I bought best console so I dont miss out on any of those games like some sunhuman idiot

>>385509765
>PnP RPGs
That is exactly your problem.

Video game RPGs are NOT tabletop RPGs, and never will be.

There is a fundamental divide between them that cannot be covered.
Tabletop RPGs are limitless, bound only by the imagination of the DM and the players. Mechanics are the facilitation, the baseboard from which infinite possibilities spring.

Video game RPGs have to be contained and defined, limited in scope, and with a cohesive design. Mechanics are the means by which content is directly experienced.

You CANNOT define a video game by the experience of a completely different medium.

Everyone else ITT understands a video game RPG as a collection of specific game mechanics.
Just like every other genre of video game.

Now, to ARPG
Understanding that RPG is defined through a series of mechanics
An action-RPG is those mechanics as applied to action gameplay (real time combat).

This is a very easy concept to grasp, one by which the large majority of people describe games such as Kingdom Hearts, Dark Souls, Secret of Evermore, Elder Scrolls and many more.

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>>385504662
>all these people who decided to buy PS3 for that one game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I86ZENtRgac

>>385510062
>They work by usage
They don't, simply because there is no reliable way to estimate the said usage properly.
Genres are born and made by people who make the respective games, not anyone else.

>>385510168
>Video game RPGs are NOT tabletop RPGs, and never will be.
Video game RPGs are attempts at simulating the PnP RPG experience, they have started as such and they have always been as such. Genre defining games like Fallout, Arcanum, PS:T, Bloodlines and more follow the exact design scheme I have mentioned and are attempts at simulating the PnP adventure with the overall game reactivity replacing the GM in a PnP session.

>There is a fundamental divide between them that cannot be covered.
Yes, there is - it's called roleplaying depth, which is basically the number of ways you can solve various in-game problems. PnP games have potentially unlimited depth while videogame RPGs have limited roleplaying depth, however, this does not mean that roleplaying depth is non-existent in videogame RPGs, nor does it mean that the definition of roleplaying in videogame RPGs is different. The definition is the same, it's the depth (or scope, for a more precise word) that is different.

>Video game RPGs have to be contained and defined, limited in scope
Exactly, but the definition of roleplaying is the same.

>action gameplay (real time combat).
There is no equivalence between action gameplay and real time combat, because not all real time combat is action gameplay, since real time tactics games exist.

>>385510531
>Video game RPGs are attempts at simulating the PnP RPG experience
Which is what Dragon Quest was trying to do in 1986 on the Famicom

But apparently that isn't an RPG.

>>385510531
>Genres are born and made by people who make the respective games, not anyone else.
No the games are.
Considering Genres are just a way to categorize them they have no impact on the games.
Genres are only used for discussion and therefore only defined by usage.

>>385503535

Ew
>JRPG
Ew
Ew

>>385510679
>But apparently that isn't an RPG.
It's not, because not all attempts at simulating something are successful. If you want an early example of a successful "PnP RPG simulation", look no further than Wasteland 1, it has everything I have mentioned that makes a game a RPG.

>>385510778
If Dragon Quest isn't an RPG, then what is it?

>>385510709
>No the games are.
Yep, they are. Now, who puts the genre of the game on a box? Who describes the genre of the game before everyone else? It's the developer and NO ONE else. If a developer says a game is of genre X, then it is of genre fucking X. Of course, there are cases where devs might obscure the genre of their game and specifically label a game being of genre Y, while they actually think it's of genre X, but such cases are impossible to identify, so I don't consider them.

>>385510803
>If Dragon Quest isn't an RPG, then what is it?
A h&s game and by h&s I mean the definition that was given by the people who made h&s PnP campaigns before most of the people ITT were even born.

>>385510168
>This is a very easy concept to grasp, one by which the large majority of people describe games such as Kingdom Hearts, Dark Souls, Secret of Evermore, Elder Scrolls and many more.
Like Call of Duty and Tony Hawk.

>>385510984
>h&s
>this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmzHrNVelL0

I assume that stands for hack and slash.

In which case, promptly leave and never return, because you're clearly too retarded to post.

>>385511149
>I assume that stands for hack and slash.
Your assumption is correct.

>because you're clearly too retarded to post.
More like you're too underage to even comprehend what h&s is.

>As false to the game form as the pre-scripted "story," is play that has little more in it than seek and destroy missions, vacuous effort where the participants fight and kill some monster so as to gain more power and thus be able to look for yet more potent opponents in a spiral that leads nowhere save eventual boredom. So pure hack and slash play is anathema to me too.

This is what that early DQ you've mentioned is - a h&s game.

>>385511317
This is a hack and slash when we're talking about VIDEO GAMES, grandpa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO1Z2ym10-8

>>385511490
That's an action game, son.

>>385511539
Hack and slash games ARE action games.
It's a subgenre.

If someone asked you what your favorite hack and slash game was and you said "Final Fantasy," they'd look at you like you were retarded.

>>385503535
Dragon Quest: Old-school JRPG without voice-acting - dropepd
Monster Hunter: Dropped because it's MH.
Kingdom Hearts 3: For ages 6-12. Dropped.
Ni No Kuni 2: Weeb-Bait. Dropped.

>>385511597
>Hack and slash games ARE action games.
H&s campaigns were made back in the days when PnP systems like D&D were just starting out and people specifically called them h&s campaigns, where the focus of the game was on combat only, to distinguish from roleplaying campaigns.

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>>385503535
Every year is JRPG year for me.

>>385511713
Why don't you just go back to >>>/tg/ where you belong

>>385503535
except for Monster Hunter the rest all look like kiddie shit

>>385511625
>without voice-acting
Gayest reason I've seen to drop a game yet.

>>385510918
>Now, who puts the genre of the game on a box?
No one.

are you retarded.

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>>385503535
At release, and without speculation:
>PS4 gets all of them (of course)
>PC gets 2 of them (MHW, Nino2)
>even the fucking Xbone gets 2 of them (MHW, KH3)
>Switch gets NONE of them.

How the mighty have fallen... Why did Nintendo 100% shit their pants with 3rd party relashionships after the SNES when they were doing so well in the NES/SES eras?
DQ11 is coming but later on, probably even later for a western release. Everything else is mere speculation and prayers.

>>385512391
>Nintendo console misses out on four games
>How the mighty have fallen
Did you attend drama class in high school? Missed opportunity if you didn't.

>>385512551
kek he is just your usual depressed frog poster

>>385512098
Nice argument, I am thoroughly persuaded.

>>385512635
Oh yeah I remember on the box of the first metroid reading METROIDVANIA on it.

You massive fucking retard.

>>385512665
>Oh yeah I remember on the box of the first metroid reading METROIDVANIA on it.
Of course you don't, because Metroid is an action-adventure game and metrodvania is not a genre, but a subgenre of an action-adventure games.

>>385513132
so can action rpg be a subgenre of action games?

>>385513210
If it's a RPG in the first place as defined previously by people who are responsible for the existence of video game RPGs? Sure, but at that point you can call it however you want as long as you indicate that it's a RPG.

>>385513210
>>385513308
What I meant, more precisely, is that a game can belong to the action RPG "subgenre" as long as it qualifies for being a RPG.

>>385513308
>>385513367
Well you are wrong. and the definition of Action RPG will not change.

This really wasn't worth the effort

>>385513505
>and the definition of Action RPG will not change.
I cannot change the definition of "action RPG" whispered to you by the voices in your head and I don't really need to, since I have the definition from sources with actual credentials and whose opinion actually matters.

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>>385513850
Now you are projecting about the voices inside your head.

I never claimed I was the source of the definition. You on the other hand are making shit up.

>>385513958
>I never claimed I was the source of the definition.
And you have never presented a credible source that actually has the credentials to define the genre either. I could care less what people who know nothing of the genre and have no credentials to define anything think, a lot of people have been wrong about many things throughout history due to their ignorance.

>>385514115
Yes.
Almost every word we use in the English language we use today has been corrupted by misuse

How do you pronounce Knight fro example? Like Night or Kenight?

Because one of those pronounciations only came to be because people made the mistake over and over again.

Why do most JRPGs have to have a self-contained story for each entry in a series?

>get attached to characters over 100+ hours of play
>never see them in another game

>>385514367
There's a difference between mispronunciation and the twisting of the meaning of a word. Dumbfucks who know nothing of the genre and listen to other such dumbfucks spouting nonsense do not get to redefine the meaning when it has been defined by people who are at the very source of vidya RPGs.

>>385514634
>There's a difference between mispronunciation and the twisting of the meaning of a word.
The meaning have been twisted too.

Inflammable comes to mind. Or just the origin of words. The word bad comes from "effeminate man"

You are aiming for a purity which has never existed and never will.

>>385514548
because

>>385514548
Because a single self-contained story is better than endless milked sequels that shit on the plot and character development established in the first game.

>>385514764
>You are aiming for a purity which has never existed and never will.
Wrong. It has always existed and always will, because actual genre defining RPGs (not failed attempts at simulation of the PnP experience) such as Fallout 1-2, Arcanum and Torment (or, in the case of what actually might be considered as action RPGs - Bloodlines and New Vegas) have also become meme games and people will always compare any game calling itself a RPG with them. So no, you don't get to define or redefine anything, sorry.

>>385515119
>So no, you don't get to define or redefine anything, sorry.
I didn't redefine anything. I used established definitions.

>>385512391
You buy Nintendo for Nintendo. Ik heb gezegd.

>>385514548
That would mean having less and less new people buying it on every entry and you don't want that.

>>385515159
>I didn't redefine anything. I used established definitions.
The only thing you've established is what the voices in your head told you. Even your own """sources""" don't agree with you when it comes to action RPGs:
>Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines is a 2004 action role-playing video game developed by Troika Games and released by Activision for Microsoft Windows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade_–_Bloodlines

So no, as proven by Gothic, Bloodlines and New Vegas, a game cannot be called an "action RPG" without being an actual RPG and all of these games are actual RPGs.

>>385515348
I don't understand how Bloodlines not being an action rpg disqualifies anything I said.

>>385515257
I guess that makes sense. People know they are getting the Final Fantasy "experience" but with new characters

>>385503535
>NNK2 is delayed to 2018
fuck I forgot about this, guess I'm not playing that either

>>385515401
Then you might read the thread again, because you seem to have brain problems. You've been debating me for the entirety of the thread that a game can be an action RPG without being an actual RPG as defined by people who actually made RPGs before you were even born. As proven by iconic action RPGs (as others might call them, I just call them RPGs, because that's what they are and the type of combat system in a RPG does not matter from the roleplaying POV) such as Bloodlines, New Vegas and Gothics, you are wrong.

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>>385503535
Add Lost Sphear to that image.

>>385515658
So is splinter cell an RPG?

Please. You can interact with enemies through stealth or you can interrogate them or you can kill them

Using your definition splinter cell is an RPG and Souls isn't
Your defintion is completely retarded.
I don't accept it from the first point of this argument.

>>385512391
Switch is getting Dragon Quest, and Nomura has said that he's not considering a KH3 Switch version until after the PS4 and Xbox release, so there's always a chance.

>>385515987
2019 confirmed best year for RPGs on Switch :^)

>>385515819
> no diplomacy
>lacking one of the principal archetypal solutions
>RPG
LMAO. I can already imagine what players would do to a GM who would try to prohibit them from talking their way out of encounters or quests in a PnP session that was specifically made for a roleplaying campaign, not a h&s one.

>Your defintion
The only retard here is you, since you Obviously can't even read. Or did you really think that the greentext in this >>385511317 post contains MY words? If so, then you have not passed the [Etiquette: RPGs] check and are therefore awarded the title of dumbfuck. Bear it with pride.

>>385516138
>LMAO. I can already imagine what players would do to a GM who would try to prohibit them from talking their way out of encounters or quests in a PnP session that was specifically made for a roleplaying campaign, not a h&s one.
We are still talking about videogames.

>>385516183
>We are still talking about videogames.
Yes, videogames that have emerged as attempts at simulating the PnP RPG experience.

>>385504765
JRPGs focus on stats and numbers, WRPG on your character's role and the story around them.

>>385516276
That was the goal for some.
Some just want to be good videogames.

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>>385516348
>That was the goal for some.
That was the goal of the first ones (granted, the very first ones did not accomplish that goal at all), therefore vidya RPGs have PnP RPGs as their source.

i really can't wait for kh3. fuck the other games

>>385503535
2017 was better.

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>>385510239

Praying Trails of Cold Steel 3 comes out next year in the west.

>>385515706
I am setsuna was lackluster, will this really be any good?

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>>385515987
Why even bother replying? You just repeated everything I said.
I DID say DQ11 is coming to the Switch, but years after the PS4 gets it. And that every other game was speculation, just like you did with KH3.

>>385512551
Come on boyo~ let us not pretend like none of this games are relevant. They are all a giant of their respective genre (except for nino2 I guess, which is more niche)
Let us not pretend like your ass isn't in flames by the fact that even the dudebro 'MURIKKA Xbone machine is getting more japanese RPGs than the Switch.
I know you're hurting deep down, I just know it. And I love it.

>>385515207
Are you sure? Because DragonQuest and MonsterHunter sold millions on the 3DS. Clearly people care about 3rd parties too.

>>385507990
Toriyama has nothing to do with super besides approving the writing and art of toyotaro

>>385515706
that looks like shit

never played JRPGs before but now I have a good pc and a ps4, give me some titles I must play please

>>385520136
Start with the Tales series. It's very easygoing for new jrpg players. And the battle system isn't a complete bore.