Until Dawn

You can't really change the overarching story at all. The whole point of the game is that your actions determine who lives

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Incoming.

No globally, your choice doesn't change the story. You just have the power to chose who lives and who dies.

>inb4, where is Jess? Jess is my favorite, I don't kill her.

>>384803692
Overall structure and plot stays the same, what is changes is who goes where and who lives/dies.

>>384803692

It does a fantastic job of making your choices feel meaningful and like every action could make all the difference. But Heavy Rain has more variability in the narrative than this game.

Until Dawn is still better.

>>384806250
Gods I loved killing Emily after she was such a cheating coalburning whore.

>>384806472
>cheating
I'm not sure if she cheats on Matt or not.

>>384806472
But Emily isn't white.

>>384806519
Matthew 5:27-28.

>>384806519
If you persist on what her deal is with Mike when she's hanging from the ledge, she'll admit that she fucked him while dating Matt.

>>384806472
Matt is a good guy though

>>384806404
Yeah the quality of writing is just better in Until Dawn. Normally I hate movie games, but this one was pretty good. I really liked all the psychologist segments, they were an interesting way to change up the pace but still keep the tension high.

>>384806740
>>384806542
And she paid her toll.

>>384806654
That scene was great. Bitch is hanging on for dear life and the nigger is just calmly grilling her. Nigger and Mike did nothing wrong, emily is just a massive turbocunt.

>>384806654
I read that dialogue. But I was not sure (dialogue are in English and text in France and the translation is never totally accurate). But they didn't do it that day in the mountain? It was older?

>>384806142
This. The story remains the same, just small plot elements change, particularly with the deaths and relationships.

>>384806740
Matt is literally luggage lad

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>Emily is hanging off a ledge
>Matt is standing on an unstable platform that could collapse at literally any second
>Hmm I'll jump to safety first so that I can help Emily without risking falling and thus killing us both
>"WHAT THE FUCK MATT WHY DIDN'T YOU PULL ME UP FROM THE BURNING CRUMBLING PIECE OF PLYWOOD YOU WERE STANDING ON?"

>>384807109
I think it was way before Josh invited everyone to the cabin again.

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>Hate everyone, decide to try and kill them all from the start
>Mike, Sam, and Ashley grow on me after a while, decide to try and keep them alive
>Get to the end with them and the glasses cunt
>Have Sam run to the switch instead of distracting the Wendigo since that seemed like the smart option
>This kills Mike and Ashley at the last second

I can't be bothered replaying it because of how slow everything is and they don't give you any sort of skip or speed up function.

Why was Chris the main victim of the prank? He's the only one of the group who wasn't involved in what happened to Hannah AT ALL.

>>384807318
She gets pissed no matter what from that scene. Killing matt from the deer gets her concernced but she hates him if he lives.

>>384807387
>Liking Ashley.
https://youtu.be/QKlbNup4uEM

>>384806740
>Try to keep Matt alive but kill Emily
>Leave Emily at the tower while Matt jumps off
>Matt gets hooked, Emily is still alive later for the most boring walking section of the whole game

I think they knew everyone would hate Emily and designed everything about her to piss the player off as much as possible.

>>384807594
>try to murder someone to save yourself
>be surprised when they no longer trust you in a life-or-death situation
wew

>>384807625
>I think they knew everyone would hate Emily and designed everything about her to piss the player off as much as possible.
Yes, it's the idea. But that's the only one you can shoot in the head. So they know what they were doing.

>>384807431
I heard Josh's prank was also him playing wingman to Chris to help bring him closer to Ashely.

>>384803692
It's not worth a second playthrough
Watch the endings on youtube if you feel like you missed out on something

>>384807594
>Gets Chris killed
>Not liking Ashley

That said, that can't be the only decision that impacts that outcome. In my game she was begging Chris to shoot her and not himself.

>>384807872
I played it at least 4 times.

>>384807768
Yeah, he comments to Sam at the start that Chris and Ashley just "need a tragedy to push them together" or something like that. It's just weird that Josh didn't do anything at all to Mike, the guy who directly humiliated Hannah.

>>384807951
I thought Mike had no idea that the others were going to be in the room?

>>384807891
>In my game she was begging Chris to shoot her and not himself.
She does that no matter what. She still let's Chris die if you shoot her.

Women, amirite?

>>384807891
It is the only thing that affects that death. She begs chris to shoot her if chris points the gun at himself and begs to not shoot if the gun is aimed at her.

>>384808050
But what happens if you don't shoot?
For that matter, what happens if you give Ashley the buzzsaw instead of Josh?

>>384808138
>But what happens if you don't shoot?
Same result as Chris shooting himself
>For that matter, what happens if you give Ashley the buzzsaw instead of Josh?
It "kills" Josh anyway

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>>384808046
Yes. You're right.

>>384808138
The buzzsaw always goes for josh because he rigs it to go for his fake body.

>>384808318
>>384808241
Well I guess that's smart of Josh, but shit for the narrative options.

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Mike is the best but he has the most opportunities to die.

Emilly was straight from Life is Strange though,legitmately ZERO good qualities.

Mike + Doggo best team.

>>384806740
It surprised me how well they did Matt. Legit nice guy but won't take any shit.

>>384808043
They were all in on it, that's the point

>>384808318
I remember just choosing to saw Josh because he didn't seem like a playable character and I wanted to get Chris laid.

>>384808403
Mike can only die in the finale. He dies if Sam dies, except for maybe the last dont move segment.

>>384808403
This dude was literally Nathan Drake. I didn't see anything else

>>384808490
>I remember just choosing to saw Josh because he didn't seem like a playable character and I wanted to get Chris laid.
Who didn't do that?

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>>384808403
>Hallway with all the wendigos
>Dog disappears completely after you shoot the barrels
>Mike goes through several rooms opening doors and closing them behind him with no sign of Dog
>Get to last room, choice to barricade the door or just run
>Choose to run
>Dog appears out of nowhere, gets killed because I didn't barricade the door when I had no way to know he was going to be in that room

>>384807318
>Jump 10 feet away
>Help her
With what? Your telekinesis?

>>384807951
Notice that Josh played Psycho game ONLY woth Chris (the best friend),Ashley (friend) and Sam (crush/friend).

He told Matt/Emilly and Mike/Jess to fuck off during his pranking, which means he was mad at his close friends rather than whole group.

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>>384808573
He's a dog. He can snake in. The game tell you that many times.

>>384808138
Josh rigs the buzzsaw so it goes to him no matter what.

>>384807318
>If you try to help her twice, Matt dies
>On almost all occasions, Matt will never have the Flare Gun to save himself

>>384808490
>>384808560
>anons breaking the #1 rule

Bros before hoes niggers.

Technicly Josh wasn't a real bro but I would do the same thing if not worse after what happened to his sisters

>>384808762
I doubt it was the Wendigo that threw Jess's phone back in the cabin

>>384808853
Maybe the Stranger to warn them. Maybe.

>>384808794
Where the hell was he supposed to have gone from the hallway? There were no other paths for him to have gone through. It was just lazy directing.

>>384808403

I liked how my opinion of a good portion of the cast did a complete 180° as the story progressed.

>hated Mike at first
>Mike turns out to be a total bro

>Sam started off as favorite
>grew into an annoying Mary Sue

And I actually liked Emily at the end as well. She's a cunt but she did get shit done. Matt was too underdeveloped for me to care.

>>384808853
It is. Pretty sure it's Hannah.

Just finished it, really good I am impressed especially since I avoided spoilers.

Josh,Jess and the flamethrower guy died though, I fucked up something.

>Hanging out with a friend
>Saying nothing so I won't spoil it for him
>He gets the totem warning of the bear trapped hand
>He still gets his fingers snipped
>Blames the game for not letting him avoid it
All you have to fucking do is walk away. Fuck.

>Decide not to shoot emily
>"Let me in" achievement pops up
>oh jesus fuck she is gonna turn into a wendigo right? That fucking line.
>she does not

What? So the legends and the clear vampire reference where bullshit?

>>384808490
Josh actually is nicer to you if you try to save him, once the jig is up.

>>384809057

You can't save flamethrower guy, only the main cast.

The best part of the game was fucking everything up. Failing every QTE as Mike chases after Jess was some Benny Hill shit, I had to pause the game because I was laughing too hard to pay attention.

>>384809057
I liked it a lot more before the wendigo reveal.

>This one game succeeded in what David Cage tried and failed to do with three games.

>>384808962
Bit of a stretch
>Here's your phone with music playing don't let the monsters get you lol
>>384809090
To be fair I did the same. But the thing is, the game is really slow af and I was playing in one sitting, so by that point I really couldn't be bothered with clues, totems and all that other bollocks.
>>384809135
It literally says in a book right afterwards you don't turn. Did you not pay any attention.
>>384809173
>You can't save flamethrower guy
At all? Bloody hell they modelled him really well for a throwaway character.
>>384809215
Probably my next course of action desu
>>384809039
jej

>>384809135
The achievment is play on words, it actually says "Let EM in" as in Emilly, gotta say those Totems really saved my ass.Thanks to them:

-I did not shot Emilly
-Chris did nothing with the gun
-I was nice to wolf

>>384809215

I'm actually worried about that. My gf started playing the game, she's a casual but wanted to play something so I started her off with this. But she's missing literally every QTE and I'm expecting the tension to die because of it, since only a few of them actually cause problems.

>>384809272
If you didn't figure out that Wendigo's were gunna be in then that's your fault.

>30 clock in cards
>12 miners
>mysterious food source
>native american shit out the ass

>>384809393
Once she kills Matt or Chris it'll come right back.

I wouldn't even waste hard drive space and time on this even though it's free. I already saw it on youtube.

>>384803692
>If Josh managed to carry Sam there, how in the hell was he so oblivious about the Wendigo's?

A..anyone ;_;

>>384809475
Would've been better if it was all just part of Josh's setting. The prank idea was much more interesting than generic monsters.

>>384809393
>already finished the game, on my own I managed to save everyone aside Josh (stupid journal)
>my GF is playing while I watch
>literally fucking up every choice and most of QTEs

She fucking shot the squirrel and soent like 20 minutes trying tos tart the boiler.

>>384809614
>sad bait/10

Who touched you as a child anon? Greentext the story its ok

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WTF is that? Dis they put scary contents only for the gamer?

>>384809772
This scene bothered the hell out of me. If I saw that I'd be gone in seconds.

>>384809702
Weren't most of the wendigos locked up in the Asylum?

>>384809702
Did you get all the clues?Sam doesn't leave the lodge until late game and if you are referring to that torture chair, that Sam is a puppet.

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>>384806250
But anon, surely you understand Sam is best girl, right?

>>384809718
Not sure about you guys, but I figured it was a ruse by Josh or maybe his parents about halfway through. They drop a lot of hints showing that things are not what they seem. The only thing that keeps you from fully suspecting them is Josh is dead and why would his dad even let him die.

>>384809746
>She fucking shot the squirrel and soent like 20 minutes trying tos tart the boiler.
Those "don't move" sections were fucking broken, I tried putting the controller down on the desk and it still thought I was moving.

>>384809885
And the truth, is that Mike saw it, because he remember it when the Stranger explain to her the existence of the Wendingos.

>>384809974
Sam was best girl until I realized who her actress was.

>>384809772

Forget that. What about the ghost jumpscare in the basement? How did Josh do that? Where does it go? Only thing I can't wrap my head around.

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>>384810117
Burch?

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Mike with jacket at Sanatorium felt like good old Silent Hill at times.My favourite part.

I wouldn't mind if supermassive ried to make something like that, with set camera angles and dual stick control.

>>384810176
They're all modeled after and voiced by live action actors, so no, it's not Burch.

>>384810117
What's wrong with her?

>>384810125
His dad made scary movies, so Josh must have had some knowledge. Probably used trap doors and shit to hide stuff

>>384809937
>>384809920
What I mean is Jess gets taken by a Windigo, right?
Mike follows said Windigo and ends up in the Asylum. You'd assume the Windigo took Jess back to its lair, or wherever it was that it did take her, there were more Wendigo's somewhere.
Mike later finds Sam tied up, and the two meet. So they were pretty closeby each other, meaning Sam was also closeby to other Windigo's, no?
And Sam was carried to where she was by Josh. So in some bizarre way isn't the lodge connected to the Asylum, sort of meaning he'd surely have encountered some Windigo's?

>>384810117
You didn't like Heroes?

>>384809974
No. She's annoying as fuck.

>>384810060
Vibration. Put it on a very soft surface.

>>384810125
>What about the ghost jumpscare in the basement? How did Josh do that?
Good question. And di you see the ghost there >>384808256 Only you the gamer can see it. It's clearly outside of the story.

>>384809307
The book mentions that the legends says they do, the only counter argument comes from the flamethrower guy who simply said they dont just because he didnt when bit. I rather take the legends than his words

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>>384810176

>>384810306
You as each character avoid Wendigos all night until they finally start coming for you, so I guess its that not far fetched.

>>384803692
Barely, still a good game. I wish they would make more horror movies. They will keep making the interactive movie games but I'd like to see more horror shit. Telltale should do a scooby doo game.

My Josh was a clown woth balloons everywhere, what other motiffs are there?

>>384810396
>Vibration.
Depends on the scene. The boiler scene has no vibration, if it did the thing would rattle like a fucker on my desk.

>>384810428
He was bit. That's how he knows that's it;s harmless.

>>384810469
>The boiler scene has no vibration,
One of the hardest. I never succeed it the first time except when my controller was down on my couch.

>>384810306
Flamethrower Guy was out hunting Hannah so maybe she was preoccupied and ignored Josh. I mean, if we're going to get into it, why didn't anyone kill Josh while he was setting things up for months?

>>384810441
>good game
>admits its an interactive movie that doesn't use the strengths of the medium at all
lolno

>>384810428

>I'd rather take the legends than first-hand experience

Okay.

>>384810306
In my playthrough Sam escaped Psycho and met with Mike naturally, when Mike went full way from from Asylum to Lodge.

>>384809392
Really? I got fucked by my country 's localization wich simply did not contain the little trick with Em as in Emily, it simply said "Let me in"

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>>384807387
>>384807594
>will kill Chris out of spite even though she asks Chris to shoot her instead
>Ashley's honesty goes down if you have her say she regrets the prank
>can fearmonger Mike into killing Emily
>mfw
Ashely is worse girl

>playing with my Guardian Force
>she keeps defending Emilly at every point

I have horrible feelings about this, no joking.

>>384810971
>my Guardian Force
My what?

>>384810967
>>Ashley's honesty goes down if you have her say she regrets the prank
This was disproven.

>>384810584
Come on now anon you barely get to know the guy, he looks crazy as fuck with a blind eye, scars and the looks of a psychopath. Its his words against the folklore of an ancient indigenous culture. They got most of the stuff right.

>>384810580
I agree with you i just mean it's a good interactive movie. the interactive movie genre isn't going anywhere and it was good compared to a lot of the other ones so that's all I'm saying.

>>384810971
She's cheating on you. Get out now.

>>384810967
>>can fearmonger Mike into killing Emily
>Implying this is a negative

>>384810967
Yeah, even thou you can make bipolar decisions,Mike,Sam and Chris are probably the "best" people out of group.Josh is clinically insane.

Emilly is a cheating bitch through and through.
Matt is an obsessive idiot.
Jess is harmless slut and an airhead
Ashley snaps so easily it is creepy.

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I thought that Josh is always the psycho?

>>384811337
>harmless slut and an airhead
You don't understand her. Probably one of the strongest character.

>>384811356

He is. OP is playing for the first time and is under the impression that his choices affect the story.

>>384810580
When you have Tellatale shit and fucking Dream Daddy I would refer more stuff like Until Dawn.

I really enjoyed the game, looking forward to the VR prequel.

>>384811356
He is, everyone else can die though.

Am I the only one who likes Emily? She has a good personality

>holy cannonli
Come on you know she'd be funny irl

I feel bad for anybody who bought this game. It would work far better as a movie with some minor choices throughout. As it stands the game part actively hinders repeat playthroughs because there's so much idle walking.

Was Josh prepared to die?I mean let's say Emily stabbed him in the heart in self-defense onstead of shoulder.
Also he gained few inches as Psycho which was weird.

>>384810574
Well it's not like Hannah is the only Wendigo
Josh clearly hadn't just spent that one night in the Lodge. The Wendigo's got unleashed like a month after the tragedy (or way before), I'm pretty sure Josh had been back multiple times since then to set things up.
>>384810438
Jess and Mike encounter them straight away tbf, so do Hannah and Beth
>>384810595
But isn't that it though? If Asylum and lodge are connected, and Josh knew that lodge inside out, wouldn't he have at least seen a Wendigo?

>>384811838
Wasn't she? The rest were locked up and Mike fucked up and let them loose.

The Dr.Hill parts were the best ones, 10/10 acting.

>>384811793
>there's so much idle walking.
I agreed, it gets pretty tiring
But it's a fun game.

>>384811769
She's pretty bitchy

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>>384809974
Sam is a smug bitch

>>384811769

She swings way too easily between useless to actually doing shit. When she's with her black cuckfriend she's constantly nagging him to do shit for her and when he fucking saves her life she has the balls to say "why didn't you do it faster." She's a hardcore bitch and her being the one to contact the rangers is the only reason to like her. Even still, I always kill her in the most painful way possible when I play it during halloween every year.

>>384811829
Lifts

>>384812063
>during halloween
But it's not even scary anon

>>384811829
I don't think he thought that part through. I mean Sam could have stabbed him or beat him with a bat is she knew what she was doing.

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>tfw I accidentally killed Mike at the end by making Sam run for the switch

>>384811769
>good personality
>Cheater
>Picks fights with everyone, as soon as they get into the lodge she jumps at Jess for no reason
>Bitches constantly whether you help her or not

No. Fuck Emily, and you're probably a cunt too.

>>384812271

It's horror themed and that's enough. I always play horror vidya and watch horror movies with friends during halloween so nothing ever needs to be scary, it just has to be horror themed.

Mike looked like fucking Nathan Drake.

>>384811961
I couldn't even tell what he was saying without subtitles, and his facial animation was the scariest part of the game.

>>384812348
I did the same, but with literally everyone still in the house instead. My bad lel
>>384812448
I get you, I was just a bit disappointed because the game kept throwing jumpscares, none of which really got me. It was more of a thriller, I'd have enjoyed a proper horror

>>384812551
And It was perfect

>>384811829
>Also he gained few inches as Psycho which was weird.
It was the boots, I think.

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>>384812581
>I get you, I was just a bit disappointed because the game kept throwing jumpscares, none of which really got me. It was more of a thriller, I'd have enjoyed a proper horror
Mike going through the Sanatorium the first time was pretty good.
>That bit where you can see a figure twitching in a corner but as you get near the camera changes angle and you can't ever get a good look at it and it never does anything

>>384812613
I half expected some dumb easter egg at the with him calling his dad and it's Drake.

>>384812768
>That bit where you can see a figure twitching in a corner
What? Where?

I might recall things incorrectly but did not that book which Ash was reading said that it was worse to kill Wendigo due to releasing evil spirits into the wild?

>>384806654
holy shit i didn't know this
fuck that bitch

>>384813091
Yes.

>>384813091
Yeah, it said that the spirit would be released and must have a host.

I thought Mike was going to be possessed near the end because of that

>>384813091

The wendigo spirits are native to that mountain, they were there from the beginning. Killing a wendigo just means the spirit is no longer inhabiting the body.

>>384807625
A head dev on reddit said she was his favorite character. "If you had gone through what she was, you would act the same"

>>384813091
Yeah, it said killing them was an absolute last resort because they would just haunt someone else. That's why they were chained up in the asylum.

>>384813273

Wendigo only possess people who cannibalize on the mountain. All the miners and Beth resorted to cannibalism when they got trapped in the mines, which is where are the wendigos and the asylum came from.

>>384812963
It's right near the start, when Josh goes through the door to the room with the wolf in it and you have to go downstairs and around since the door is shut. One of the first rooms downstairs has a view from its room to the hallway outside, and that hallway has the figure in it, but when you go into the hallway the camera changes. I think it's the room with the camera in it.

>>384808794
The Wendigos look so fucking stupid, I will never not be mad at that design choice

>>384813289
She was a bitch before shit went down.Compare how Mike and Jess were flirting and how Emily ordered Matt around.

>>384813385
But how did Hannah become a wendigo when they both died from the fall at the start?

>>384813289
>"If you had gone through what she was, you would act the same"
What did she go through? Not enough dicks at once?

>>384813289
She was a horrid bitch from the start.

I figured terrible psycho pranks and actual monsters would be more sobering to her character. What a dumb thing for the dev to say.

>>384813610

Hannah didn't die. She was maimed horribly, but she didn't die. If you find all the sister clues then the wendigo that will normally kill Josh in the water will hesitate when Josh recognizes her tattoo. Then it'll drag Josh off deeper into the caves and he'll be forced to cannibalize as well and turn into a wendigo.

>>384813610
She didn't die. She survived the fall and had to eat her sister to survive.

>>384813598
I know, that's why I couldn't believe it. To him, she earned the right to be a bitch. Acted like she was a sympathetic character.

>>384813610
She didn't. Also, wendigo spirits tempt you to cannibalism. When Hannah was starving and, I think, had busted legs, the wendigo alpha spirit told her to eat her sister's corpse to survive. At first Hannah resisted but she eventually gave in. Spirits will not leave you alone until you break.

>>384813610
They didn't, Beth died and Hannah survived.Hannah resorts to cannibalism and boom, she becomes fucking Bloodborne reject.

>>384811127
His Gay Lord, anon.

>>384813692
>>384813809

>>384813809
>Emily being a cunt was unintentional
Good lord.

>>384813692
Lmao

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How many of you shot that Asian cunt right in the fucking face

I know I did

>>384807625
Dosen't Matt have a better chance if you keep going against Emily
If you agree to go to the radio tower, he shoots off the flare on his own which leads to his death
The when both of fall into the mines je survives if he dosen't try to save Emily

>>384813913
I am hoping it was just this 1 dev deluding himself.

Okay pulling Saw and Psycho type pranks is one thing but why the fuck was Josh just staring at Sam taking the bath?

Who gets it the hardest?

>>384813953
I figured it would come back to bite me on the ass like most pragmatic things in movies.

>>384813953

Should've thrown her into the grinder. It's the most satisfying way to end her existence.

>>384813953
I let her die in the meat grinder in her final chase.

>>384813913
If the whole team thought it was unintentional then I don't know what to say.

>>384814046
Just a wank bro.

>>384814046
Cause he's a creep.

>>384814046
Why would you take a bath for 2 hours at a party?

>>384814047
Mike has literally to tour the whole fucking mountain alone.

>>384814047

Gets what? The dick? The reapers scythe? The spooks? Be more specific my friend.

>>384810125
>>384810264
You dumb niggers
Right after that happens you can find a catalog of hologram projectors with one being circled in a red marker

>>384814048
I would say that it does come back to bite Mike in the ass if he survives along with Sam and the nerd girl because then he's guilty of murder

>>384809019
>Mary Sue
I don't think you know what that means

>>384814230

I'm pretty sure the plan was for them to stay on the mountain for the weekend. More than likely she was taking a bath to settle in. Why did it need to be two hours and by candlelight? Because she's a woman.

>>384813913
Yeah the delusion is off the charts if they seriously thought she was likeable.

I thought when Dr.Hill said "usually the most scared and insecure people are most agressive" when referring to me picking Emily as worst character, would lead to her showing her true self without bitchiness.

Nope.

>>384806873
For burning he coal

>>384810306
Mike followed the wendigo into the mines and thats were jessica was
You see the wendigo at the top of the elevator shaft and after climbing it you find the flamethrower guy and follow him to the asylum where he has captured some wendigos

I couldn't stop laughing at the scene in which you jump to safety as Matt.

He does a casual hop and then just makes "Shieeet" face as Emily falls down.

>>384813913
I doubt that very much. Even the actress herself said it was fun to play the bitch.

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>Dr. nigger asks me if I'm more afraid of clowns or scarecrows
>Think this is gonna change what the killer looks like
>Choose clowns
>Knew it
>Do second playthrough
>Choose scarecrow
>Learn it does nothing

>>384814794
Seriously? I picked clowns the first time because I figured it'd be ridiculous and was looking forward to the scarecrows next time. What a waste.

>>384814794
It affects his office and a few jumpscares.

>>384814794
It changes the mannequin with Sam's clothes on.

>>384806250
So how fucking shit do they feel if they kill Emily and then they immediately find the note about how the bite isn't contagious.

>>384815061
Pretty shitty.

>>384815061
Mike says "...well at least the gook is now a spook" and Sam just nods while winking.

>>384811915
>The rest were locked up and Mike fucked up and let them loose.
If they were all locked up, Flamethrower guy wouldn't be wasting his life fighting them, would he? I was of the impression they were always loose. But that makes more sense I guess
>>384814697
That's my point. Mike goes into the Mines and later finds Sam, who's put there by Josh. So surely Josh would have seen some Wendigo's too

>>384814794
all choices in until dawn affect something, you just didn't notice it.

>>384815169
How did Supermassive get away with this???

>>384811838
the wendigos were unleashed before the tragedy, since flamenwerfer guy was fighting at least one off at the cliff where hannah died

So what affect does having who you like most/least have when Hill asks?

>>384814697
Would I be right to assume that if you try to shoot the flamethrower guy the gun jams anyway?

>>384815379
"""died"""*

>>384815195
Josh was a fucking nutter, so would it really matter if he saw any?

>>384815415
Yes

Overall just who lives and who dies. And the interviews in the end a lil'bit

>>384815415

Yes

>>384815195
He was hunting Hannah because he fucked up and killed the Alpha last year and it possessed her.

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>>384806654

>she'll admit that she fucked him while dating Matt.

FUCKING WHORE AND I FELT SORRY FOR HER AFTER SHOOTING HER IN THE FACE

WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE

I'M LITERALLY TURNING ON MY PS4 RIGHT NOW TO SHOOT HER IN THE FACE AGAIN

I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO MAD ABOUT A FICTIONAL CHARACTER BEFORE

>>384815957
She is so shit that I refuse to save her and get the trophies for getting everyone alive, that how much shit she is.

>>384815473
Eh he was half sound of mind. You'd just think he'd see one with how well he knew the lodge and how it was pretty much connected to the mines
>>384815379
Good point, so really Josh should have seen a bloody Wendigo if he spent long enough on the lodge to set all that shit up.

So Josh could totally fuck Sam if he had played his cards right, right?

I mean, Matt and Em were going to fuck, Mike and Jess were going to fuck, Chris and Ash were going to fuck, Sam wouldn't wanna to be out of the festival

>>384815061
"THIS IS THE SAFE ROOM EMILY!" is for some reason a line I found hilarious. I think it's just the delivery.

i gave up after i found out you couldn't kill sam and mike until the finale

>>384816079
>getting everyone alive
You can do that? I thought no matter what someone got shit faced

>>384815957
>I FELT SORRY FOR HER AFTER SHOOTING HER IN THE FACE
lol you were stupid enough to shoot her even if you didn't want her to die
as if it wasnt totally obvious shooting her was unneccessary

also emily is the best character

>>384816193
The only person who cannot be saved is The Stranger, everyone else can survive.

>>384816131
Pity sex for sure but still pussy is pussy.

>>384809974
>>384812036
SAVE THE CHEERLEADER

>>384816193
Josh gets the fate worse than death if he lives, but the other 7 can live.

>>384813953
There's at least three girls far worse than her in the game. Only the main girl and prologue girl are better.

Maybe I just "played Matt right" to soften her up a bit because she was nowhere near as annoying in my run, with any bits of her anger being completely justified.

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>>384816143
NO WENDIGOS ALLOWED, THIS IS HUMANS CLUB

>>384816207

I only did in the second playthrough for the plat dude

also fuck you

>>384816468
t. pushover

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>hur dur em is a good person

HERE YOU IDIOTS, SHE ADMITS IT THAT SHE FUCKED MIKE WHILE SHE WAS DATING MATT. GO AHEAD DEFEND THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDm35p9t_E

YOU GUYS ARE LITERALLY KEKOLDS FOR LIKING EMILY

>>384816468
How is she worse than Ashley?

Ashley is sweet until her fucking crush tried to murder her TWICE to save his skin, then she snaps which I find justified.

>that option to shoot emily
Gotta admit, didn't expect Mike to actually shoot her in the fucking head. But that choice was bullshit anyway, seriously, no one would actually shoot someone in a similair.

>>384816758
Mike's actions were logical given information he had at the moment.

Wendigo turn by bitting.
Wendingo can mimic humans.
He wanted to quarantine her but she refused.

>>384816758

>no one would actually shoot someone in a similair.

gotta agree maybe mike was so into his fantasy of being Nathan Drake he was out of his mind

>>384816691
>TWICE
Nani? She will kill you the second you try to shoot her. The other time doesn't matter. The fact that she pleaded to die to save Chris doesn't matter.

>>384816131
He probably wouldn't even have to try that hard. Josh is the only guy there that Sam seemed to show even a slight romantic interest towards, though that may just be a case of the other six all being paired off already leaving them as the two singles.

But fuck Josh. He has an elaborate revenge prank, but he mainly targeted the two people who did literally nothing wrong and were the most supportive of him (Chris and Sam). It just doesn't make any sense

>>384811337
>Matt is an obsessive idiot
>Jess is harmless slut and an airhead

Nigga you could not be anymore wrong

>>384817010

Its weird because the two people directly responsible (Mike and Jess) he send to the cabin to have sex the entire night

Josh joshed himself

>>384816932
>Wendigo turn by bitting.
Except they don't, mike didn't know but there are other ways to handle the situation.
Shooting Emily in the head is fucking stupid though and is an entirely unlogical choice given that that mike isn't a fucking murderer. It's horribly handled too since Mike just killed someone and never mentioned it again.

>>384817315
Wendigo got his back though, based Wendigo.

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>hating on emily
It's not my fault she was dreaming of white cocks.

>>384816671
My mind practically stopped for a mid-second when she admitted it in my playthrough. I made Matt jump after this. No need for him to die over a cheating slut who treated him like a choirboy.

>>384812789
I wouldn't mind this. Get that girl from Uncharted 4 a brother

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>>384817010
>She's nice to him so that means she'd fuck him
Anon...

>>384817010
I mean Sam was involved in the prank. The fact that she was reluctant about it unlike the others doesn't really change the fact she did help them.

Chris though was bullshit. The two of them were best Bros and were both passed out when the prank happened, out of everyone he was literally the only one who had nothing to do with it.

>>384813528
Agreed, but the deer antlers would have been a dead giveaway as to what they were. Devs kinds backed themselves into a hole on that one

>>384816671

>Mike literally made a girl cheat on a black guy

so thats the why he's /ourguy/

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>thread about until dawn
>200+ replies

>>384817661

Sam was looking for Hanna and even yelled her name out while looking for her to let her know, but when whe got to the room it was too late

>>384817436
I mean, when you downgrade from Ward to a pushover generic black sports dude, the bitching seems justified.

>>384817661
>Sam was involved
Sam was literally searching the house for Hannah before she fell for it to prevent it.

>>384817776
It was free in ps+

Many new players

>>384812348
Instant Inferno was the funniest ending

>>384817708
Emily's asian. They refuse their own men for white cock.

>>384817914
>implying she didnt cuck him numerous times
She treats him like shit the entire game, disregards his opinion, hangs around Mike the entire game and even admits to fucking him behind Matt's back numerous times in the past.

She left "Chad" for Giga Chad.

>>384817010
She pranked Chris for him to get close to Ashley. I remember a line about them needing a "push", something traumatic to bring them together.

>>384816691
People who don't realise that Ashley is the fakest person in that house aren't paying enough attention. She puts on a cute girl front because she's trying to get the attention of the nicest guy in the group, but through some routes you can take you can see that she shows the least remorse over the death of the twins out of the five pranksters and is in reality.

Also she's way too fucking quick to try and throw Emily outside, because Ashley is an unstable liability who shoots first and asks questions later. The only times she ever shows sympathy is if she thinks it will either save her life or if it will impress Chris. She's dumb, she's unpredictable, and she just doesn't pay attention. She asks Chris to shoot her during "the game" because she thinks it's the right thing to say while also expecting Chris to "be a man" and take the bullet for her, but from her reactions after it's clear she really didn't mean for you to shoot her at all. Because she's a fucking bitch.

Ironically, she can only die once in the game before the finale, and that's if you lead her down a path where she tries to be nice and save somebody (She thinks she can hear Jessica and lifts a trap door), which kind of shows that if you play her as a nice person who is looking out for everybody, then you're dooming her.

Fuck Ashley and fuck anyone who continues to fall for her act. Emily and Jessica can be bitches too but I would rather be friends with someone who can be bitchy over a bitch who pretends she's your friend.

>>384806472
>gods
You got me. Unless you're Greek or come a polytheistic culture, you're a fag.

>>384817820
>>384817928
Fuck I feel like a idiot. For some reason I always thought to myself she was calling Hannah to tell her mike was waiting for her.

My point about Chris still stands though.

>>384816283
>>384816431
Huh, guess I'll need to find a walkthrough and get that right. Matt fell for me

>>384817661
Holy fuck, you are right Chris was sleeping drunk next to Josh downstairs.

What the fuck was Josh's problem?If you need to punish someone punsh Mike and Emily.

H o l y fuck Sam scared me during the interview. She was looking up at the camera like a fucking nutcase.
>please... Just go see what's there...

>>384817776
What's more bizarre is there's actual discussion

>>384817378

They didn't know that wendigo aren't caused by bites until they read the journal after the possible shooting. Mike was making a correct choice with the information he had because there was a possibility she could turn and then kill them all. Given the information he had at the time, it was justified self defence.

>>384818386
She was smug because whether they believed her or not at the time was irrelevant because once they saw what was down there they would.

>>384818194

>she shows the least remorse over the death of the twins out of the five pranksters and is in reality.

When you find the video of the prank in the kitchen Ash says she's so fucking sorry and shit. What makes you say she isn't that sorry?

agree with your whole post btw

>>384818294
Matt needs to.

Don't attack carribous.
Fire the flare gun at the tower.
Jump right to safety when Emily is dangling.
Hide in the mines.

>>384818643
>Jump right to safety when Emily is dangling.
Bloody hell that's it? Not sure I can be bothered going through the whole game just for that decision

>>384818480

>Given the information he had at the time

what annoyed the bejesus out of me is that the journal was right there and he could have checked it out before deciding to shoot a human being right in the face.

>>384818643
The flare gun is completely irrelevant.

>>384818742
IT'S THE SAFE ROOM
BITTEN VICTIMS OUT REEEEEEEEE

>>384818194
>she can only die once
No. Search for Ashley hidden death in youtube

>>384818742

The fact that she could turn into a death machine at any moment was a far more pressing matter than reading a journal that may or may not have the answers to the questions they had. Hindsight is 20/20, my friend. You may know the obvious solution, but they had no idea at the time.

>>384818780
It is if you jump to safety, if you try to save Emilly you need it to survive.

>>384818643
>>384818735

The key point to save Matt is to let him have the flare gun. You can kill the deers at the cliff but you must get the QTE right otherwise he falls

In my playthrough when the Wendingus got me I just shot him with the flare gun. Tried to save emily twice because I wanted her to worship me in the interview after beating the game

For an Until Dawn 2, assuming they don't just go with 8 new kids going to the mountain and having to deal with Josh Wendigo, what monster would you like to see be used?

Seeing as there's so much emphasis on "Butterfly Effect", I feel doing something with a twisted take on the Mothman would be fitting.

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>>384816671
lol you people have insecurity problems

if cheating makes you this mad you're stuck in development or very bad with girls and try to desperately cling to everything you can get

>>384815195
Sam was never brought to the mines she was somewhere in the basement of the lodge. Mike came to her.

>>384818780
>>384818643
Actually if you have Matt initially disagree to go to the fire tower then give him the flare gun he won't fire it and keeps it.
If you commit to trying to save Emily at the fire tower that normally means Matt is getting hooked by the Wendigo but if you did what I said above he'll have the Flare Gun to defend himself and lives.
Alternatively if you have Emily keep the Flare Gun and don't shoot it she can shoot the Wendigo while shes being chased, she won't be bitten, and the whole dilemma in the basement never happens.

>>384818905
I got the flare gun but tried to save Emily. Matt still got rekt by the Windigo. He shot the flare gun as soon as he got it

Cool game, nitpicks are that performance is dogshite, and that some animations are really weird/unfinished/lazy, REALLY makes them stand out when everything else is pretty great.
I was surprised where the game went, I thought it was all gonna take place in the house. Shit like the fire tower was really cool. The game did kinda end abruptly though.

>>384818860

Oh c'mon he could just keep pointing the gun at her while Ash or Sam checked out the journal

Mike isn't a goddam murderer I like to believe MURDERING someone that he just happened to love once was harder than that

>>384818480
Killing someone is the last thing a normal person would do, Mike was fine with Emily just leaving so why didn't he knock her out and leave her outside then.
Also he doesn't seem to care that he murdered a person even though the other find out that a bite doesn't make you turn. Mike kill someone and then it gets forgotten. It's a horrible and nonsensical choice that no normal person would ever make.

>>384818984
Mike went through the mines and ended up a room away. Meaning the lodge is basically connected to the mines.

Making it more likely Josh would have seen a damn Wendigo in all his time spent at the lodge, especially since he likely spent a lot of time setting all that shite up

>>384803692
Just played this recently and I fucking loved it. Felt like a classic 80s horror film.

Really came around on Mike. I thought he was a real fucker at first, but around the time he was walking around an asylum acting like Nathan Drake, making puns, and wielding a machete and a gun, I was like "This guy's ok"

Emily went the other way. I liked her at first, but she's the fucking worst, almost shot her even though I didn't think the bite was infectious.

>>384819025

I dunno why your Matt did that. I think maybe because you agree to go to the radio tower?

>>384818194
Theres actually 3 scenarios where she can die
1 is the one you listed
2 is if Sam fucks up the first Don't Move at the lodge and Mike is knocked down then Ashley can be one of the people Sam either chooses to save or run straight to the light switch instead. If you do nothing Ash gets her eyes gouged out
3 if you choose to run to the light switch either in the above situation or in any other situation where she hasn't gotten out of the building yet shes incinerated along with anyone else still inside.

>>384818978
A girl has problems for pulling that shit. In other countries cheating is unforgivable.

>>384818941
There's no Until Dawn 2, just a fucking prequel for PSVR.

We need to trace the prank, whose idea was to prank Hannah?

It seemed like Mike was just the tool for it.

>>384818978
Cheating is literally the worst thing you could ever do in a relationship apart from physical violence.
Or perhaps you're just a cuck.

>>384819047
>>384819129

They had no way to know that the journal had any answers to their questions, what part of this do you not understand? It could have taken hours to read through the whole thing to get the relevent information, and during that time she could turn and fuck their shit up. Mike made a decision to save him and two others with what information he had. If you're willing to sacrifice 3 lives for 1 then that's your deal, but he made a completely justified choice.

>>384807594
I still can't fucking believe that shit. Can she not understand that Chris was under INSANE stress? I fucking waited as long as a I could before I shot her, and I saved her the first fucking time.

Seriously, how much of a callous cunt is she that she thought "revenge" instead of "GEE THE HELPFUL GUY WITH A SHOTGUN MIGHT BE USEFUL"

>>384819298
It can be deduced it was conceived between Emily and Jessica.

>>384818978

nice ad hominem bud

>>384819341
>hours
The other found it literally immediatly after the choice. And why do you not adress the fact that Mike could do other things than cold blooded murder.

>>384818608
I think it is the bit where she and Chris find the video of the prank. Chris makes some comment about how he forgets Ashley was there laughing sometimes, and you get some dialogue choices with Ashley.

One has her being sorry, one has her try and deflect the blame to Emily I think, and there's at least one where she can say things like "Ugh, it's not our fault she was such a drama queen. It was just a prank." I know there's one in particular where Chris will look disgusted by her answer before storming out of the room.

>>384819529
>The other found it literally immediatly after the choice
Not that guy but are you listening to yourself. Hindsight can't be taken into account here.

>>384819162
Yeah I agreed to go.
What the hell, you're not supposed to agree to go to the radio tower?

>>384818258
Hold over from D&D, actually. Sounds better too.

>>384819341

but there was no RUSH to make that decision bro. none at all. What? Em was going to turn into a wendingo in the spam of a second? her WHOLE body was going to transform in the spam of a second? her bones would grow larger, her skin would change in less time it takes Mike to pull the trigger? they couldn't bother to give a quick look in the journal of the guy that was fighting those things for decades?

>>384809475
Wendigos were a great pick for the monster. Most people aren't too familiar with their lore.

I was still guessing "Crazy miner guy got a taste for human meat and wants to kill" right up until Matt got killed by what was clearly not a human.

>>384819747
Maybe Mike cheat on Jess with Em. He wanted to kill her to avoid Jess knowing the truth.

>>384819603
Neither can logical thinking when the first thing comes to your mind is mudering someone when there are a ton of other things to handle that situation. Things that i and another anon have mentioned before.

>>384819621

If I remember correctly that is a decision that cuts some alternatives. I think holding onto the flare gun is one of them

no idea why they turn that decision into a big deal

>>384819529

You keep bringing things up that happened after that incident as they're relevant at all. We are looking at things from their perspective, hindsight should not be considered at all. Murder was the absolute safest choice they had. They had already seen what the wendigo could do. They move inhumanly fast and kill instantly without hesitation. Mike made a completely justified choice by choosing to kill her while he had the chance.

>>384819747

How could they possibly know how long it takes to turn? Wendigo are formed by supernatural spirits, they can very easily form in the matter of seconds. If you don't know how much time you have then the only safe option if to assume that you have no time at all. You both are the kind of people who would die within the first ten minutes of a horror movie or try to reason with the horror monster.

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I still don't get what Hannah's problem was with Chris. I mean she obviously still knows who everyone is because whenever she kills someone it's based off of how she feels about them. She apparently feels like Chris loses his head a lot. Was it because he was attracted to Ashely who was the biggest asshole towards her?

>>384819824

From my understanding the first time Mike and Jess were going to have sex was in that night.

Honestly I only played cuz the girls all had 10/10 asses

>>384818194
Pretty much this. I've dealt with that type before, it's really a toss-up between her and Emily as the worst person in the group. Josh excluded, naturally. Actually I'd say she's worse than Emily because at least Emily is up front with her bitchiness.

>>384819856

Your choices are based on what happened after. YOU already know she wouldn't turn and are unconsciously biasing your choices based on it. THEY had no idea when or if she would turn, and the safest choice for them would be to eliminate the threat while they still could.

>fail QTE so the retards get impaled by falling ice spikes
>he survives anyway
any retard who played after that point get the fuck off and watch movies

Question about one of the choices
The part where the jock dude gets his hand stuck in the bear trap, what happens if you don't slice your fingers off and keep trying to pry open the trap?

>>384819910
There is literally a Wendigo Encyclopedia right fucking there. They could have knocked Emily out and moved her, locked her up somewhere while they look trough the book. That's what a normal and logical person would do instead of immediatly shooting someone. Not to mention it's pretty out of character for good guy mike.

>>384819881
Well guess that's two things I need to change. How bizarre

>>384820238

You open the trap later in the game the dog dies because of it I assume

>>384819974
Wait seriously? How does she feel about everyone else?

>>384820238
You can get out if you keep trying.

>>384820185
I didn't knew. I didn't shoot her because the choice was dumb as fuck.

>>384820257
>They could have knocked Emily out and moved her, locked her up somewhere while they look trough the book.
What if knocking them out would lower their resistance and they would turn there and then? What if they immediately get violent and attack when they get close? They've seen what a wendigo can do, so even if she partially turned she could probably kill at least one person if they got close.

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Woah woah woah, I was just watching that inferno ending someone mentioned earlier, and the choices in this gameplay video have percentages on them, my version of the game didn't have that.

Is that an option you can turn on?

>>384820257

Again, they had no idea how much time it would take to look through that shit, or if it had the information they needed. What if the restraints are useless? What if she just turns instantly as soon as mike tries to knock her out?

>>384818643
>>384819018
Where's the flare gun?

>>384819910

>they can very easily form in the matter of seconds

Yeah, "seconds", it only takes one to pull the trigger. Mike keeps pointing at her, Ash checks out the journal.

Are you telling me that choosing to MURDER your friend and former lover that you know for I don't even know how many years is the first thing he would happen to think?

>>384820420

The choice makes sense in the context of the scene. They were all panicking after the flamethrower guy died, and possibly Chris as well.

>>384820465
I think it's NG+ showing you what percentage of other people chose what options.

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>>384819219
other countries are underdeveloped
>>384819315
i like arrogant girls
and i like seeing betas get mad at them
>>384819437
well yea my entire point was about losers like you

>>384819818
I didnt say they weren't, and the mining incident happened in the 50s how would one still be alive?

I guess I am a big folklore buff though

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>>384818941
SKINWALKERS

>>384809772
As far as I can guess, it was supposed to be one of Josh's prank (He did send them that way after all so he littered random pranks around in hopes they'll get at least one). I think at this point, Mike has already been scared by the truck jumpscare and maybe one other, along with a Jess scare, so he was probably just tired of this shit at this point.

>>384820421
>>384820520
>what if what if
What if the writers could actually come up with good choices instead of forcing drama by making characters make out of character choices and then dropping the subject completely.

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>>384818417
Sonybros once again proving they're superior once again

>>384820343
Matt gets "hooked up" in the prank, hence the hook through the jaw. Emily was creeping her "eye" on Hannah's business because Mike. Jessica has a "big mouth" that ruined her dream and the prank. Sam because she had lot of "guts" but failed to save Hannah. I don't think there's anything for Mike though considering he only dies by explosion in the end scene.

>>384820650

ad hominems have no point desu its just you calling people names

>>384820574

Yes. If it's his life and two other friends he's known for years. Emily was a massive risk to them at the time no matter what happens after.

>>384818978
>Defending cheating
You're either a woman or a cuckold.

>>384815169
at least they know not to let raimi write for them again

>>384820323
I opened the trap and dog survived.

Dog dies if you fuck up QTE twice in asylum.

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>>384820742

Holy shit mind blow

And even as a Wendingo Hanna wouldn't hurt Mike pretty amazing

>>384819029
>I was surprised where the game went, I thought it was all gonna take place in the house. Shit like the fire tower was really cool. The game did kinda end abruptly though.
I have to say, the one thing I did really like about it was the variety of environments and the level of detail in them, and especially how the whole game is connected naturally. Though I guess there's no way to tell if the environments would overlap or not.

>>384820420
Alright. What if you didn't shoot her, then come back as Mike and the two girls are dead?

It doesn't happen, but for all you know it could have at that moment.

>>384820898

I know that later in the game you will need that machete to hit a wendingus in the face, what happens if you don't have it I dont know

>>384820898
dog dies if you don't barricade.

>>384820742
>>384819974
Nah, I don't buy that.
Hannah can't be the one that killed all of them. There were loads of Wendigo's about

>>384820742
Thanks lad. Makes me appreciate the game a lot more.

Fun game for what it is. I don't like movie games much. I played Life I Strange because my friend who loves these games told me to and also to find out about the shit people were saying. So then Until Dawn came, which he played ages ago. Decided to do it, since it's horror aspect might save me and guess what. It was actually enjoyable because of it. I missed out on 6 clues total and quite a few totems (near the end I made stupid press x areas where I couldn't head back aswell). I got Ashley killed even though I knew something was up and laughed as it happened. Sam died by mistake because apparently even though I was just as don't move like every other part in the game, she got killed anyway at the last part. I disliked Jessica the most. I disliked Emily too until she said her GP was 4.0 which indicates she's actually quite smart but still a bitch. I'm sad Josh didn't have a good ending. He dies or he dies even if he lives.

Is it fun to replay for a plat? Think I'll get them alive first then get them killed.

Question about collectibles. Can you just quit the game after getting them or what?

>>384818941
Needs the Jersey fucking Devil
That shit will be horrifying
Id say yetis but I don't want it in a snow setting

>>384820725
Your entire fucking line of thought is made of 'What if'. Stop trying to deflect to a different train of thought because someone else brought up valid points that counter your suggestion.

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>>384820764
u use an ad hominem by presenting something reprehensible about your opponent in order to debase his point.

>>384818941
>what monster would you like to see be used?
Fucking. Mothman. I accept no other choice.

>>384821107

>Is it fun to replay for a plat?

its a lot faster but can't skip cutscenes so its kind of a slog dunno about the collectibles a guide should tell you

>>384821093
Only towards the end I believe - for most of the game it's only Hannah out and about, the miner wendigos are trapped in the sanitorium until Mike gets around.

>>384821093
Normal Wendigos are supposed to capture their prey and slowly kill them, while Hannah is the only one that kills them immediately because she has the "God spirit" or whatever.

>>384821046
If you didn't fuck up a QTE before that, doggo will bark at wendingo distracting it and it gives Mike chance to shoot it in the face.

>>384821241

I didn't said anything about him. I just said ad hominems are pointless, something that they are, and that he was calling people names, something that he did.

I just said two facts.

>>384821093
She is
When you go to her lair she has everyone whose died hanging on some hooks
The other wendigos were chained up in the asylum by the mountain man

>>384820990
I'd wonder how they died after i looked trough the book and saw that you can't become a wendigo by being bitten.

>>384821172
And i still think what if the writers aren't idiots is better than what if i made shit up about how wendigo's turn in order to counter your argument

>>384820941
Can't name any specific scenes but I remember Hannah going pretty easy on Mike compared to the others