help a silver out

>>384549572
thanks

>>384549507
Watch your replays, communication, and try to think out of the box. Everything else depends on your actions and how you play.

>>384550001
on it

>>384550057
This is why you are stuck on silver. I forgot to add: if there's not an IGN then be one yourself.

>>384550057
you mean steal some strategy?

>>384550123
IGL*, not IGN.

where are the pictures

>>384550201
what pics exactly , my match history?

>Me unga
>Team bunga

>>384550057
>see pro team do strategy
>try to copy it
>we fail
>cry about it and complain that your teammates are shit for not trying to copy pros
GEE I WONDER WHY
im sure you have the "deep" thought behind their strategies and "situational builds" work everywhere too, right?

>>384549507
>top player
solved you right there buddy, top lane is the autism lane, nothing good happens there

>>384549507
>tfw "Your feedback blah blah blah" for reporting someone
>I helped someone get banned

wtf I love this game now

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>>384549507
>i dont feed.

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>>384550384
OK MAYBE I SOMETIMES DO,BUT I DONT FEED MOST OF THE TIME >-<

>>384550408
Maybe you can watch your replays and see how awful you do and try to fix it somehow, because you clearly don't have the same reaction time/timing as them

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HOW DO YOU EXPECT ME TO CARRY THIS?

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There are a minimum of 2 underages in this thread. Go back to your containment board >>>/b/

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>>384550527

>>384550527
You played support wukong...you shouldn't have expected a chance in the first place
>>384550653
This one might have been fucked anyways, but you picked darius, didn't take TP and didn't even win lane, you are literally useless in this match regardless of your team

>>384550364
this

>>384550527
>that wall of yellow trinkets
O im laffin

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>tfw sexy goat of many heals appears in your ranked

>>384552551
wukong support is pretty nice at damage,has an ulti that yasuo can combo,and a w that tanks shit tons of damage

>>384552635
>yellow trinkets
couldnt you come up with a name that sounds more cave-man-ish?

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>>384552551
>>384553027
Maybe if you would have picked a goat, you would have done better.

>>384553027
If you play wukong support and expect to win youre doing it very wrong

>>384553160
make me you cunt

>>384553097
you seem like a soraka main trying to make me play soraka :^)

>>384549507
I was stuck in silver also before i got banned for calling someone a nigger

Everyone just plays like a retard and theres pretty much nothing you can do to avoid it unless you have a friend who's a lot better than you helping, otherwise you're fucked

>>384553102
playing off meta is not wrong,i'd rather play off meta and play better than playing something meta af but suck with it.Wukong sup can poke the shit out of enemy adc,can help you get out of a gank alive.

>>384553182
lmao look at this internet tough guy.

>>384553186
No, actually I want people to play their role with their rightful champion.

Then again you could go again with a wukong as your support, or miss fortune, or lee sin.

All the same.

>>384550506
for real, especially if you get behind in lane in the 1v1 matchup

No violence allowed in this thread , thank you.

>>384553027
Wukong needs gold and has no CC until level 6, any decent lane is gonna shut you down. If you wanna play support carry because you don't feel like farming play velkoz or brand

I have this problem but in a different, dead MOBA

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>>384553246
What you gonna do pretty boy? Kiss me?

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>>384553364
op here this guy is funny af

>>384553327
wukong can get gold using relic shield,i have never been dominated by any other support or adc when i was using wukong support, i stay behind my adc until level 3 and then i go e aa q w then repeat, and the enemy adc falls back or i kill the faggot

>>384553423
See ya in a week.

>>384553280
>No, actually I want people to play their role with their rightful champion.
There is no "rightful champion" for support. It's why Brand, and Vel can do it, even though they need gold to be even slightly useful. Poppy can go bot too. All you need for the support role is some form of easy cc, or in a lot of cases, the ability to blow shit up.

>>384553072
That's what everyone I know calls em, and at least i'm not enough of a god damn caveman to keep them the whole game on support or jungle

>>384549507
I could ask a similar question and I'm struggling to get past plat 3. I suspect that in my case the answer is to take my early leads and use them to give my dummy teammates a lead before their lanes spiral out of control. Maybe the answer is the same for you. One thing I can say is that any time you feel 'obligated' to sit and defend the top turret even though you're ahead and you feel like you could be doing stuff elsewhere on the map, just leave top and go do that stuff. It's important to your team that you show up (unless you're playing a great split pusher). Tell some guy who is behind to go get the farm up top and if he won't do it then just let those turrets fall. Never fall into the trap of holding top lane forever while your team gets crushed 4v4 elsewhere.

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>>384553496
interesting fight

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>>384549507
play jax or renek or nasus or darius hell even teemo and dominate your lane, use tp to help another lane
you can 1v5 with those champs
think fast AND smart
but don't think too much to realise the game is shit and you should uninstall

>>384553253
>playing off meta is not wrong,i'd rather play off meta

Then dont whine about losing when you're a huge contributing factor. The meta is the meta for a reason, and that is because it is what works.

There is a place for people who think like you and thats bronze and silver elo.

>>384550001
This guy has it right.

The problem is you can't do anything if all 4 members of your team do not do these things.

i straight up had an adc feed because i was getting kills and he wasn't'. still tied the enemy team for kills and got fed myself, but lost. you are fucked for playing the game at all. mongoloids and complete wastes of space are half the player base.

>>384553696
incorrect.
I did better job than my adc that match, talking about damage.I tanked tons of damage in fights,i made our yasuo ult on all 5 of the enemy team.I dont always build damage on wukong support,but when i do its because my adc sucks.

>>384553605
you seem pretty correct,i can remember pushing my lane while my whole team was fighting 4v5

>>384553841
>I did better job than my adc that match, talking about damage.I tanked tons of damage in fights,i made our yasuo ult on all 5 of the enemy team.I dont always build damage on wukong support,but when i do its because my adc sucks.

When you stop thinking like this you will ride in rank. Wukong is an extremely bad support choice and had you picked an actual support and played well, your team would have been far better off. Im actually a support main so you're not going to win this argument.

Well im Bronze V
Anybody wanna help?

>>384550527
>>384550653
>no warding stones or red/blue trinkets
>horrible team comp
>wukong fucking support
>top laning without teleport
Your teammates were shit but you ain't a sharp one either. Learn the basics of the game before trying to carry. It's much more important to know what you're supposed to be doing than knowing how to carry with a champ.

>>384554056
Give me your account info and ill get you to silver easily

>>384553984
Let me tell you what is wrong with playing a standard support.Is it a healer support? they will focus you in fights, i picked sona recently and if the whole enemy team didnt focus me,we could have win that match.What about classic tank supports?they are fat as fuck,slow,immobile,0 damage.What about wukong?can tank damage without getting damaged,deals decent damage,and mobile.

>>384554056
>>384554151
Stop killing wolves. The turrets are over there. Congratulations, you're now silver.

>>384554097
my adc was shit so i built classic wukong items,i dont build this all the time if i play wukong support.

>>384554157
You clearly belong where you are. Supports like Sona and Soraka have the highest winrates now so obviously a majority of players dont have your positioning problems.

>>384554097
also ghost is pretty useful as darius,garen and illaoi, since they are immobile asf and wont be able to catch an enemy,or run from an enemy

>people on /v/ play this casual normie cancer

>>384554157
Could you have positioned better as sona? You aren't a tank. If you're that valuable to your team then you need to stay farther back and make them come to you through your team.

>>384554157
Meanwhile I played nothing but Braum and made it to plat.


Git gud.

>>384554267
im going to disagree since i climbed out of bronze playing wukong in every single lane

>>384554157
>guys how should I improve
>don't do thing
>autistic screeching

>>384554404
>make a thread asking for help
>argue against every fucking person offering advice
I think I found your problem, you're a dumb cunt that thinks he's better than he is.

>>384554372
I know you're just being a cock, but still. I never know what this is supposed to mean. Are you suggesting you don't play league because it's too easy for you? Would you be rank 1 challenger if you played?

>>384554404
Wukong is a good pick in certain team comps and very bad in others. You picking him every game in every position is just you telling us how terrible of a player you are. Im honestly surprised you made it out of bronze even though a retarded baby could do it.

>>384554464
if you have ever been to silver or bronze you know that you wont be climbing with support champions since every single silver v player is like "this is my first season , i played my placement matches and got silver v eve tho i suck"

>>384554530
He's implying that you shouldn't enjoy popular things in a classic 4chan way

>>384554505
i asked for help and saying wukong support is shit go play sona is nonsense , just because sona has higher winrate doesnt mean it is a better pick and if you say something that is against another person's idea then you gotta support your own idea with proof/explanation

>>384554560
Just play support velkoz or brand. Do 75% of your team's damage and collect your win.

>>384554716
No one said to play Sona, but playing a support champion when you're assigned the support role is pretty good advice if you want to win more games. I dont know why you are acting like youre being attacked.

Gonna go play some classic support champions and going to get brand 2-3 matcher afterwards , i'll inform you faggots about the support match

>>384554789
You still have to play well. Make sure to upgrade your trinket to you fuckin faggot.

>>384549507
The biggest mistake i see in lower elo is arrogance. Players go for kills over objectives then end up losing towers/drake/baron. You can be a good player in bronze/silver but you'll never win if you're a cocky nigger that jacks off to their kda or if you have those players on your team. If you see some fuckhead trying to tower dive for a 1-1 then that's your red flag.

>>384554869
sir, yes sir.

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>>384550527
PLS NO YAS BAN!!

op here , found a match and picked soraka, will start a thread if this one dies.

>>384554530
The game is extremely simplified and sterile, there's only one team comp and lane layout you're allowed to play, all the champions are shoehorned into a specific role via their design, the itemization is all passive and dull, Riot is a super cunty company with loads of shady background and unprofessionalism, and the "give us money or grind for years" business model is just offensive

LoL is just a shitty Dota knockoff watered down to appeal to normies and streamers and gurrl gamers
It's everything /v/ goes against

>>384550527
>Fucking lethality wukong support
>Malphite support with a rabbadon's cap
>BotRK on Caitlyn of all things

Jesus.

>>384555050
None of that equals casual.

>>384554908

>pick sona
>start ancient coin for umlimited mana in lane
>poke the shit out of your opposing adc with q and autos
>position well so you dont get fucked
>get a sightstone
>build ardent censer
>prioritize healing over dmg around midgame
>upgrade trinket
>then build redemption
>then athenes
>????
>win games

>>384555050
What about smite

>>384555138
picked soraka for 384553364

>>384555018
Prepare to get creampied. I'll be spectating.

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>>384555107
>a strategy game watering itself down to one forced strategy isn't casual
>the game telling you what to use characters for instead of you developing your own playstyles isn't casual
>turning items from an extra ability system into a bag full of passive stat sticks isn't casualizing
>giving you zero cost, zero trade-off "get out of dying free" spells to save you from ganks and bad positioning isn't casual

>>384555151
The same game as LoL but with a different camera and control scheme

>>384555050
>there's only one team comp and lane layout you're allowed to play,
You mean Like Dota?

>all the champions are shoehorned into a specific role via their design,
You mean like Dota?

> the itemization is all passive and dull,
You mean like the non active items in Dota?

Don't get me wrong, Dota is harder than LoL, but all of your "complaints" applies to Dota too.

>>384555202
follow the same plan with soraka pretty much

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>>384555018
>300 games on Soraka and still Silver

Wow.

Btw if you're reading this start redemption, and then ardent censer. You'll want redemption first because you got a Zac. Throw it in the middle of the teamfight to help engage when he jumps in. Ardent is to help your caitlyn.

>>384554716
>sona has a higher winrate
>this doesn't mean it is a better pick
No, but it is arguably the most likely explanation. It's certainly the simplest explanation. Sona has a high win rate as support. Wukong has a low win rate as support (I actually dont' know this because the data is probably sparse but I'd bet on it.) It could be that people just aren't playing it right. Sometimes that's true and finding that out is how the meta shifts. Usually it's just false. Given that wukong has relatively low base numbers with great scaling and no good way to help his adc pre-6 due to his weak early game, I don't see how he does anything as well or better than more common supports.

>>384555319
>You mean Like Dota?
Nope, the game has nothing even close to LoL's forced lane meta

>You mean like Dota?
Nope, heroes aren't designed into any specific role and their multiple playstyles are figured out by players

>You mean like the non active items in Dota?
Yeah, like the one or two non-actives in the average dota inventory versus the 5 or 6 non-actives in the average LoL inventory
I'm not sure what you were trying to argue here
>City A has 10000 murders per year
>City B has 10 murders per year
>YEAH BUT CITY A HAS MURDERS LIKE THE MURDERS IN CITY B

Please stop trying to criticize games you know nothing about

>>384555246
In lol, time and effort spent trying to improve your performance in the game results in measurable improvement in your performance relative to other players. That can't happen in a casual game. Casual games must have a low skill ceiling so that "casual" players can play the game as fully as it can be played with minimal effort. The fact that players can't get out of bronze, or silver, or what ever rank and that better players can easily point out why suggests that the game is not shallow. You can accuse lol of having unfun design choices but not of being casual.

>>384549507
>i
fuck the fuck off

>>384555616
Not that anon. Tbh you can blame esports for that, riot has centered the game around the scene. Also what's wrong with LoL trying to be different to Dota? Doesn't make the game casual

>>384555616
>Please stop trying to criticize games you know nothing about
Pff okay.

>Nope, the game has nothing even close to LoL's forced lane meta
Yes it does, or do you think tri lane somehow invalidates this.

>Nope, heroes aren't designed into any specific role and their multiple playstyles are figured out by players
Take Dazzling,CM, or Lina into the jungle. See how well you do.

>Yeah, like the one or two non-actives in the average dota inventory versus the 5 or 6 non-actives in the average LoL inventory

That depends largely on the champ you play. Bloddseeker has less active items than Lina. Medusa has less than OD.

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

>>384555736
>In lol, time and effort spent trying to improve your performance in the game results in measurable improvement in your performance relative to other players.
This happens in every game that's actually a game. That has nothing to do with whether or not it's casual.
The speed at which you can progress and the amount of effort it takes is where the levels of casual shows, and LoL is much faster with this stuff and requires less focus and learning than other comparable competitive games. Only having to learn one core strategy is a big contributor.

>>384549507
How can you be so fucking shit

>bronze season 1 because I just hit 30 near the end of it
>gold s2
>diamond s3 (back before they fucked the ranks and diamond was pretty good)
>quit cold turkey right after because league is a shitfest of a game
>got $600 for the account

>>384555901
>Yes it does, or do you think tri lane somehow invalidates this.
No it doesn't.
Even if I was specifically talking about trilanes, that's already twice as many lane comps as LoL has. If you've ever actually watched or played dota in your life you'd know it doesn't have a rigid lane layout or team comp meta like LoL does.

>Take Dazzling,CM, or Lina into the jungle. See how well you do.
Saying the roles are more fluid and are determined by the players instead of the devs doesn't mean literally anything works. Please learn to read.

>That depends largely on the champ you play. Bloddseeker has less active items than Lina. Medusa has less than OD.
And, like I said, the average is far higher than in LoL. The game has a much higher count of active items and more of them are regularly used. Most of the boots are actives for fuck's sake.

I reiterate, please stop trying to criticize games you know nothing about.

>>384555958
It doesn't happen in a game that is dependent on rng or is pay to win. Those are casual games. Getting good at lol is extremely difficult and if you're one of the gifted few that think it's easy AND therefore think it's easy for everyone else, then you're extremely lacking in perspective. It's not even slightly fair to call lol casual.

>>384556180
>It doesn't happen in a game that is dependent on rng or is pay to win. Those are casual games.
That's not the definition of casual. Also keep in mind this is being stated comparatively to other similar games.

>>384556171
Imagine caring about any of this

>which piece of shit smells less

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>>384555018
>>384555391

OP I'm watching, and first thing you started W on Raka. Startint with Q is usually better, your level 1 trade potential is unmatched between supports and you can get some nice damage in with Q + Autos. It leads into you getting control of the lane earlier.

Your runes are pretty much full AP, 36 AP on runes is kinda overdoing it for Soraka. Her AP scaling is crap. 15-20 AP and resistances is fine. If you ant more damage, opt for Magic penetration reds instead. I usually go for 17 armor, 15 AP and scaling CDR blues though but that's just me.

I also don't really like refillable potion. I usually like having the third potion first because potions are not that good after your first back.

DON'T GET the completed coin item for Soraka. At least not before the plus healing ones. Soraka doesn't really want any of the stats from completed coin, she's meant to heal and coin doesn't help with that. You should focus on your healing.
Upgrade coin to the second tier and Get Redemption or ardent censer first, Mikael's Crucible first if they have too much CC. Each Forbidden Idol item that you complete is a power spike for you because it increases your healing ability. I usually go redemption > ardent censer > mikael's. I buy redemption and then the next forbidden idol - ALWAYS get the forbidden idols first, they give you +8% in healing. For example for Redemption you bought the other part first, always get forbidden idol.

These are my tips for you. I'm a diamond Soraka main. Literally only play the goat goddess. Wish you best of luck.

>league only game rl buddies play
>all staying on same rank since I stopped playing 3 years ago
>ask what the appeal of the game still is to them
>it´s fun anon, nothing wrong with that
>ask why they think is fun
>lol I just like it anon
>I don´t even care about winning or losing
>don´t want to spend time learning another game
>I just want to turn off my brain and relax, anon

One of them stopped going to university because he played league so much. Says he "was" addicted and now is afraid to start playing other games than lol.

Playing vidya was only way to keep in touch with them due to us living in different cities.Fuck League!

>>384556258
Just curious as to what games you're referring to because skills developed in mobas can be applied to all games within the genre, I wouldnt really rate one more than the other

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>>384556271
>I was wrong: the post

>>384556258
I feel the argument you're making is similar to saying that go is harder to master than chess, therefore chess is casual. I don't think the degree of separation between lol and dota or whatever is sufficient to make lol casual by any meaningful definition. It's possible to not like the game but acknowledge that it takes reasonable effort to master.

dont watch me its embarrasing , op here , greentext incoming

>playing season 7 league in 2017

i dont understand. how?

>>384556582
More like
>seeing the pointlessness of splitting hairs

>>384556609
I really like your use of the E ability and your kiting is good. Just your build needs a bit of a touch up as I mentioned before.

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>caitlyn:ms.soraka , are you a female?
>anon:i wish :^(
>caitlyn: seriously tho, if you are a female, im
>going to carry this match
>feels like a faggot
>anon:heheh, thanks :3
>caitlyn:what is your name?
>anon:<random girl name>
>caitlyn:oh thats cute
>anon:dont embarrass me
>hope that caitlyn carries
>diana carries

>>384556171
>Even if I was specifically talking about trilanes, that's already twice as many lane comps as LoL has.
It's still a 1/1/1/2 meta, and tri lane is pick to hard counter, nothing more.

>Saying the roles are more fluid
Mid laners can go top or bot in leauge (Ken, Ziggs) Top laners can go Jung (Voli, Lee) Bot laners can go top (Vayne, Quinn) or jung (Graves Twitch) There is role fluidity in LoL, but you wouldn't know because you don't play.

>And, like I said, the average is far higher than in LoL.
The average may be higher, but it still depends on the champions played. And it's not like you can't get actives in Lol either, because once again, it still depends on the champions played.

>>384556459
now i'll go play using this

>>384556765
Get used to feeling like a fucboi unless you have the reaper skin

>>384557236
meh :^(

>>384557379
Lmao.

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>117 Replies
>27 Posters
The fact that this thread is still alive is surprising.

What champs/roles do you main OP?
I kinda skimmed through the thread, but it seems like you play Top/Supp.

>>384549507
try to play characters that snowball such as Annie or Akali, Master Yi etc

if you play well every game then it's a 20% less chance for your team to have a feeder so given a high enough number of games then you will be at your true MMR

seriously though; best advice I can give you (been Diamond since 2013, haven't put time in to seriously climb past that each year) is to forget about winning, and forget about what your team is doing. Play with them to win, sure, but don't worry about your mid laner who fed blue buff and has 19 cs at 10 minutes. Focus only on playing your best and *improving* every game while analyzing your mistakes and shortcomings. To improve is to gain elo. Mindset is the most important thing in getting good at anything you do

>>384555050
The thing is,
league is fun

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>>384556814
>It's still a 1/1/1/2 meta
No it isn't you drooling retard. Even at pro level, Dota regularly has 1/1/2/jung, 2/1/1/jung, 2/1/2, 3/1/1, 1/1/3. LoL is strictly ONLY 1/1/2/jung, and when anything else rotates into viability Riot nerfs it out. Pic related, Riot themselves tells us I'm right.
Dota doesn't have LoL's forced meta bullshit. Like I keep telling you, you have no clue what you're talking about.

>Mid laners can go top or bot in leauge (Ken, Ziggs) Top laners can go Jung (Voli, Lee) Bot laners can go top (Vayne, Quinn) or jung (Graves Twitch)
These are specific cherrypicked examples where it works because the character is similar enough to the other forced role to fit in. Graves also doesn't count because he's just a jungler now. This doesn't mean the roles are fluid, it means some characters are similar enough to other forced roles to plug into the forced slots. On top of that, half the time this happens Riot nerfs it out of relevancy because it's "not how the character is supposed to be played." Remember mid lulu? Top soraka?
You can send Quinn, an ADC, top because she fits into the forced top role well, not because the meta regularly allows ADCs to go top. In Dota you can put almost anyone anywhere because you build your own comp and strategy instead of plugging into one.

>The average may be higher
Yeah, and the average is what counts. And the reason is because this-
>but it still depends on the champions played
Is a fallacy called "cherrypicking."

Please stop trying to criticize games you know nothing about.

>>384554332
Then you should've taken ghost and teleport, you clearly got fucked by vlad who is always going to go with teleport. You could have won that game by just having over 150 last hits @20min.

>>384558217
I've played a ton of league and from what i've seen dota 2 is probably a better game from a technical standpoint, that said I tried it once and realized I wasn't willing to jump ship just to learn another moba none of my friends give a flying fuck about

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shitheads focusing garen even tho i told them to focus lucian like 6 times

>>384559482
You played really well OP, but your team was too retarded. Darisu didn't build ANY armor are all, and Zed got a fucking BotRK. Holy shit everyone's retarded. Darius should have solocarried if he got armor instead of a 20 minute trinity force.

The other team was retarded too with their builds but Darius just really shat the bed.

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>>384559591
hi i assume you are the goat goddess main guy
i would really like to be friends with you

>>384559482
if you want to get out of silver, you can't play characters like soraka

also, Garen seems to be the biggest threat on their team so I would focus him too over the Lucian, given that Garen is also a frontline champ

You have to accept that you aren't good and a lot of what you "know" is false if you want to become highly skilled at the game

You have to abandon ego and focus on your mindset too

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>>384559482
>400 games and still in silver
What the hell man. I get to gold in like 40 games.

>>384560012
okay,i accept that im around average and i suck at most but why not soraka?

>>384560101
i climed out of bronze v with the 400 games

>edge ate my post
shitty browser.

>>384559482
>garen didn't melt in 2 seconds
How tho? Squishy ad garen should never win a game.

>>384560186
he wasnt squish at all , 4 of us attacks him and only 1 makes it out alive

op here going in another match as soraka sup

>>384560112
she doesn't have a lot of playmaking ability and relies on supplementing your allies' plays and decisions

you want a character that can make their own plays and influence the game in a proactive; aggressive way if you want to carry reliably in low elo

>>384559482
Why would you buy Iron solari?
For a 100hp shield on your shitty almost no HP build?

Dude if you want to get out of silver don't play supp or play an aggressive support that can get your ADC fed like Leona, Thresh, Braum, Rakkan and if you are not a shitter Sion in all lanes.

Learn to last hit, learn to counter your enemies and really learn the micro of your champion pool.
Don't try to be a fag and main Zed in silver and gold, play easier champs that can hard carry the game or have massive amounts of utility in their kit.

Stuff like Pantheon or Amumu.

Also learn to go for objectives, that's something silvers never do. The way the game is designed right now, most matches should be over after the 20 minute mark with Rift Herald and Baron.
>>384560186
Because his new W gives him 70% reduced damage for 0.75 seconds and with that crit build, it gives him like 2 free spins plus a Q to completely melt the carries and still have the 30% reduced damage for 3 seconds.

>>384560365
what do you recommend?
i dont have much hypercarries but kassadin seemed pretty nice to me

>>384560112
>around average
Plats are average, you are a shitter.

>>384559037
As long as you're aware how wrong you were about all of those things, I don't care which you play and which you prefer

>>384560415
When did they change his W? I've been seeing a lot of ad garens running around lately and they without exception get insta gibbed and the game ends up being 4.5 v 5.

>>384560415
garen was one tapping me so i thought i should get one or two tanky items eh?
>>384560438
come with recommendations you shithead

>>384560437
He's not telling you to play hyper carries, he's telling you to play aggressive instead of passive and Soraka is a backline mommy and without a good carry she's useless.
Actually, if anyone takes ignite, morellos, thornmail, executioner calling or whatever item that gives grievous wounds you are useless.
Don't play Soraka. Play a tank support instead and peel.

>>384560521
alright , im picking tahm kench

>>384554267
What works in bronze doesn't necessarily work in high silver and above. I have played with and against bronzies and they're the most retarded people I've ever met. You could climb out of bronze playing critgoat toplane, that doesn't mean it's a good strat.

>>384553483
>i stay behind my adc until level 3
>what is lane presence
Botlane is usually decided by the lvl2 all-in. You're useless for the first few minutes. Play an actual support.

>>384560521
To be fair, Morello's only reduces healing when the target is below 35% health.

>>384560497
I think last week.
Also Garen AD has been a real thing since his E can crit from like last year and now that it also shreds 25% armor is even better.
>>384560503
How about you suck my cock, silver shit?
>Garen was one tapping me so I decided to go tank
>No Ninja Tabi
>No Randuins
>No Thornmail
>No Warmogs
????????????????????????
>>384560602
To be fair, it still gives grievous wounds and is mostly built on mages and AP assassins that 1shot enemies so it negates Soraka's cucking healing.

>>384560574
>Played onhit Soraka against a GP
>S+ 9/1/18 190 farm @ 20
>Trying Top Janna now
These supports top are insane.

>>384560437
>>384560521
nah I was actually telling him to play a carry champ

you can play a mean thresh but the effectiveness of your plays is seriously diminished in low elo because your team can't respond as well

if you're deadset on playing support; I highly recommend any mage support really

Zyra, Annie, Brand, Karma come to mind

>>384560687
sure, since playing soraka requires me to act like a fuccboi

OP
If you want to climb out of bronze/silver/gold then you need to get good with champions that have global presence.
I reccomend :

Top : Shen
Mid: karthus/twisted fate
Jungle : nocturne, Evelyn, gragas.
ADC : caitlin, miss fortune
Support: soraka, Janna, nami, Leona

There's champions have nice global pressure, immense pressure in a teamfight or can help save yo'dumbass team mates plays.

You climb in low elo by turning bad situations into good ones

op here in a match as tahm kench

>>384560574
>Botlane is usually decided by the lvl2 all-in. You're useless for the first few minutes. Play an actual support.
This is why kill lanes like Yasuo bot sometimes work.
Also if the enemy support is heavy on CC like Leona or Braum I doubt you can do anything to kill their ADC, specially if they run exhaust instead of ignite.

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>Thunderlords and Warriors Wukong
I was going to help you but its clear you're retarded.

>>384560761
Try onhit or crit bard. The damage is absolutely ridiculous, and it's hilarious to delete people with your meeps.

>>384560782
>Zyra, Annie, Brand, Karma come to mind
Karma is the only one that feels like a problem, if the enemy picks a tank you are pretty much fucked.
>Tresh lands a hook and you lose because you are a paper lane
>Leona literally murders you every single time
>Tahm cucks you and pokes you for 300 magic damage at level 6
>Rakan CC locks you

I know what you are trying to say, but if you are going to play a mage, play it mid instead or else you are just going to feed easy kills to the enemy lane.

>>384560809
>Top : Shen
>Not braindead strong shit like Kled or Pantheon
>Mid
>Not oppressing shit like Sion or Kassadin
TF is a good call tho, Karthus is not.
>ADC
>Not Ashe or Jhin
????
>Supps
>Trio of faggotry and go hard or lose the game: The champ
That last one was like telling him to brush his teeth and drinking orange juice.

>>384560438
The average is actually silver, statistically. The majority of the playerbase is just shit.

>>384560964
I will
You try bruiser Leona.
It's hilarious.
>Frozen mitts, Titty Hydra, Sunfire, thornmail, boots and maybe some magic resist.
They just melt and you just stand there.
Also her combo deals like 1300 damage in 2 seconds and you take no damage at all.

>>384561136
Average as in "they know how to play the game but are not actually that good"
I know the game is full to the brim with shitters.

>>384560970
No, I very clearly meant to tell him to play a mage if he's going to play support. You can do perfectly fine against those characters. It's honestly pointless to argue with you because your understanding of the game seems to be subpar.

>>384561106
The point behind champ like karthus is because the number of times the botlane give a double and their botlane has a sliver of health and all you have to do is press r to even the playing field once again whilst farming safely in your lane using q,

Similar principal to Shen, soraka protecting dumbass toplane from a dive etc

>>384561201
...

Is jungle leona a thing again?

>>384560809
>shen
Requires judgement to use his ult. Too many people use it to bail out a teammate who walks into a dumb 2v1. He could just play malphite top and be useful no matter how far behind he is.
>twisted fate
I don't want to say tf is too hard, but the learning process is hilarious. I think at lower elo sitting in lane farming like karthus does is a fine way to climb, but as you climb it becomes more important to get off your ass and kill or chase away your lane opponent, then head bottom and get them fed. Karthus isn't a bad pick though.
>jungle
I would recommend rammus and warwick myself but I think those champs are ok too.
>adc
Not gonna lie, I wouldn't play adc to climb unless op is good at crushing his opponent bot.
>support
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsTE1vpoXM

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>>384561263
>Recommend shitty kill-lane starts to a hardstuck silver player when the best advice is for him to stop playing backliners and start peeling.
>One of his issues is bad positioning so the answer is to play characters that heavily rely on positioning and have no mobility or tank stats to take punishment.
?
Whatever you say fag

>>384549507
Lead your team, give comands, make pings, etc.. Best done from jungle position, but in midgame it doesn't matter.

If you can't do that you deserve to be stuck there

>>384561329
No, clears are too hard, specially raptors.
Once you get your cinderhulk shit gets easier but it's never a good clear.
Also her ganks are hard to pull off pre 6 and most of the time the damage will be lacking.
Out of all the Leona I've played, in every role and lane, jungle is the worst probably followed by mid unless you get camped by your jungle.

>>384561353
>Janna dodging
;____;

>>384561353
I keep forgetting how fuck ugly League used to be.

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>discussing ASSFAGGOTS on /v/
Fuck back off to your containment board
>>>/vg/lolg
fucking disgusting roaches

>>384562240
Right after the 3 simultaneous overwatch generals leave.

>>384562297
YOU SHOULD ALL FUCK OFF
FUCK OFF RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING CANCER
GOOD GOD I WANT TO FUCKING PUKE BECAUSE OF YOU DEGENERATE ANIMALS
FUCK OFF
>>>/vg/
>>>/b/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/facebook/

>>384562378
>making yanking your chain this easy
shiggy diggy.

>>384562378
>don't talk about video games that I don't like

Do you want the board to be nothing but trolling?

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>>384562378
>stop discussing vidya on /v/

>pick j4 jungle
>build full lethality with some hp
>???
>profit
You can literally 1-hit everyone with this new lethality meme and carry the game

>>384562775
Abusing broken items/champs is a good way to climb, but if you don't learn the game you'll fall right back down when they fix it.

>>384562775
>be squishy any mid laner
>jarvan visible on your screen
>DEMACIA
it's not fair.

did anyone spectate?

>>384563213
I just got into the thread, what server are you on? I will spectate you

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>go pretty bad early-mid game
>start winning team fights lately
>our both nexus turrets down
>go in teamfight
>kill all 4
>where is the fifth motherfucker?
>defeat!
anyways now i got 4800 ip and i'll get brand to play on sup

>>384563332
>70/63
Wow, my games barely reach 40 kills total

>>384563289
tr,the red owl

>>384563332
41 minutes.
Jesus Christ, just play objectives. Nigga buy a zzrot and push lanes.

going in as brand sup in 5 minutes

>>384549507
be reactive instead of pro-active. stop trying to control everyone and everything. follow your team instead of trying to lead. you'll save yourself a lot of frustration

play passively and wait for the enemy to make mistakes, because it's silver league and they will make a lot of mistakes

>>384563516
You are going to lose.

https://tr.op.gg/summoner/userName=theredowl

Play more Malph.

>>384549507
Just start again, level a new account and hope you get placed in gold.
Even gold is starting to have laggers and afkers.
It's one thing carrying bad players, it's another thing being unlucky with a feeder, but on all of that having to deal with laggers, afkers and people who are held back by their 10 years old shitty wifi behind 3 walls is the end of it.

>>384563630
You are wrong, its not hard getting out of low silver
I boosted 2 of my friends from Silver 5 and Silver 3 both to Gold 5 in less than 20 games each
Rewards got revoked though, MMR reset, and 2 weeks ban

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>>384563581
Do not try to outplay your enemy. Simply wait for your enemy to outplay themselves.

>>384549507
Follow a streamer that plays top like Solo Renekton Only, he has great videos where he talks about lane manipulation and he has a lot of tips to share in top.

Try to TP and snowball other lanes, shove lane and try to kill jg or mid with help of the jungler, try to drive pressure of the other jungler top

>>384563624
you want me to play malp?

Laning doesn't mean shit in low tiers. Late game and team fights are all that matters.

>>384563738
This is the best advice anyone could ever give you
Even in higher leagues (plat and dia) people just wait until fucks it up then punish them
Don't go for big plays and risk you being the one fucking up, let the enemy make mistakes and you will win easily
Also don't follow your stupid teammates to certain death even if you are a support

>>384563860
Insanity. Getting your snowball rolling is how you carry games.

you faggots gotta pick between malp and brand

>>384563947
Brand support or mid, build twin spirits thingy as support for easier stuns then get a warding stone and build full ap

>>384563925
Of course it helps. But if you don't know how to team fight and you're a fed as fuck assassin for instance you're not going to do anything once it starts mattering and a single team fight can win/lose a game.

>>384563878
>Also don't follow your stupid teammates to certain death
I've struggled with this for years. My instinct is to help teammates in need. I wish I were a sociopath so I could spam laugh at them instead.

>>384564009
alright
queueing up rn

>>384564061
Yeah but if you fuck up the early game your chances of winning are very low.

>>384564125
Take ignite unless they have some turbocarry like vayne, in that case take exhaust

anyone on EUW want to get shit together?

you know guys im pretty lucky i have a plat/diamond friend who will boost me if i go down to b1

>>384564237
rank?

>>384564298
bronze 4 33 lp

>>384564237
Its a silver thread so ...yeah
I was silver something last season, currently at gold 5. I had a teemo only account up to gold 2

>>384549507
Blame yourself for everything.

>>384564337
was meant for >>384564298

>>384564343
fuck you dude,that wont help at all but depress me

op here, is the goat goddess still here?

>>384564146
Bruh. I'm not talking about chances. Actual decisions that you make when you're way stronger or way weaker can sway a game completely. Sure, if you have 20 kills you can faceroll and what items you pick don't even matter anymore. But usually it's not that dramatic. All it takes is a well timed ulti from a strong team fight champ like malph (mentioned in this thread), fiddle, lyssandra, etc. to dominate a match.

>>384564332
Plat 4 here so I guess that's a no duh

>>384549507
Seriously, git gud. I'll tell you my story on how I got to D1 as a toplaner.

>be in last year of high school, LoL is starting to make some noise so me and my friends start to play on it
>play with them, eventually we get to gold after two seasons
>drop the game cause college got hard
>pick it up again years later
>ranked silver, wut.png
>by thinking I'm better than silvers I actually lose more than I win
>I start to question myself
>I look up tutorials, basic things, tiny details that makes all the difference
>I start to rank up and I build confidence
>I proceed to crush my lanes, as well as other's lanes, learn what to focus in fights, etc...
>I make my way up to D1 by playing mostly Rumble, Jax, Kennen and the occasional Riven
>I get perma banned for flaming cause hey, I'm a LoL player after all, flame is my game.

>>384564552
How'd you get permabanned?
ive been suspended a few times but never perma banned.

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>>384564514
>fiddle
I miss when fiddle was good.

>>384564632
I haven't played seriously in the better part of a year, but I was climbing silver and gold jungling as fiddle less than a year ago when I'm not even a jungle main. All about well timed ulti's and team fights.

>>384564632
He's sleeper op as a support

>>384564552
(Cont.)
Most toplaners have their power spike at 20mn. Even if you're not winning your lane but you still got the crucial item that gives you this power spike, ask for your team to come mid at 20. I don't really know if that's something that can be done in silver tho.
I can tell you that with kennen, as soon as I got my void staff I'd ask for a teamfight cause if you get it under the 23mn mark, it's most likely gonna be a bloodbath.

>>384564626
I was fed up by the game and the community, even after 2 weeks suspension I continued to flame. At this point I wanted to get my perma so that I don't play this cancerous game anymore. (and now i'm playing Overwatch, I actually reached 3k SR this week)

>>384564632
I miss when the game wasnt overcomplicated and every item and spell didnt have a massive paragraph explaining it

>>384564729
He gets shut down way too easily buy any competent junglers. Steal his first blue buff and he'll be super behind all game.

>>384564882
So don't let that happen?

>>384554157
You clearly have no idea what a support is for. Next time, pick Leona, Blitz or Braum.

>>384564984
Tell me how to outduel a lee sin invading you when your teammates don't look at the map and don't listen to pings.

>>384564984
Some teams might coordinate on that to do that so it can be hard to prevent

>>384565047
>>384565049
Now it just sounds like you guys are making excuses. It's more likely that your team helps leash (and so would also defend against invades) than the other team invades. And if the other team DOES invade, you GO TO THEIR BLUE. Not rocket science.

>>384564125
Tell that bitch to freeze lane when you're zoning them like that.

>>384564125
You won lane, went mid, nothing to do there, went in their jungle, and didn't ward it. Big mistake. Ward the bushes adjacent to their raptors for maximum vision. That's a big part of your job as support and when you have that kind of freedom to roam the map early you need to take advantage of it.

>>384565247
I'm not that guy, I just say that it can be hard to prevent an invade to your blue if that were to happen

If anyone is still here can I get some advice in winning more?

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Moncraniun

>>384565652
Pretty sure Ez and Lucian aren't meta, and they're you're most played.

>>384565652
>https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Moncraniun
have you tried not being an ADcuck?

>>384565764
Lucian top is.
>>384565652
Play Draven, Xayah, Caitlin or Jhin.

>>384564125
Waving your dick in their face mid 4v5 bad idea.

They hit the vision thing to check baron after they left your mid turret so you should expect baron soon. You went bottom side of the map instead. Start warding up around baron when there's a danger of the other team doing it.

>>384565764
That's true but I can't stand playing Twitch, Draven or Caitlyn. Anything else I can focus on if I play slightly off meta adc?

>>384549507
gitgud

>>384565916
>Wants to climb
>But wants to play offmeta
Don't complain then and get good with your offmeta champs.

>>384549507
I seriously do not understand how people can be bad at games. I literally got 2 bronze accounts to gold(friend's accounts for skins) just by spamming kennen last season

Just look for a playstyle that you're comfortable with and feels like it has a decent chance of giving you wins. This shit applies to everything
>fighting games? spam hadoukens
>fps? camp
>rts? lol that genre is dead
It wont guarantee a 100% winrate but getting comfortable with it increases the chances

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>>384560791
You might just be too stupid to climb out of silver.

Bronze is simple to climb out of. Literally just don't feed and you're in silver

Silver through plat is much more frustrating.

Personal skill accounts for about 60% of silver and gold ranking up.

A good 40% of your games are just unwinnable and the match is decided by whover but the feeders, afk or trolls.

You will always get games with 1/8 teammates. Just accept the loss and try again

I can't stress enough that simply not feeding is the most important factor to ranking up.

Silvers and golds only play for kills, so they get frustrated when someone starts outfarming them and they try to force it and make mistakes.

Anything over 3 deaths for a sub 40 minute game is too much in silver. Play for your KDA

Also, if you're really serious about ranking up, then turn off all chat and just insta mute anyone who starts popping off. You just tilt yourself more by arguing

>>384564125
Buy pink wards. Put them down.

>>384564125
You gave a fight when your team wasn't close enough to assist you at baron. You also did it while yi was split pushing. You have to be more careful of knowing how close your team is before you take a fight.

>>384549507
Play Leblanc mid and roam a lot

>>384564125
You walked up to baron with malph and ryze and you didn't ward. Again. You bought a sightstone and you never use it.

>>384566076
Silver is super easy to get out of.
Just play for baron and rush inhib, since retards always fight off tower and die to baron/elder dragon buffs.

Jungle is a very good role to main in silver.

Gold gets a bit trickier but it's mostly the same, just try to carry the game and get the best/second best player in your game fed, team fights and objetives win games in gold.

Plat is wave management and laning.

Diamond is team comps, OTP and hard carrying.
Never reached masters.

>>384565916
Aside from CS, which you should always work on til you're perfect, work on trading efficiently when you're stronger or their short term CDs are down, and realise when not to trade and just CS or soak xp safely til you can get a numbers advantage.

>>384566408
ok ty

>>384564125
After your ryze died mid you tried to 1v5 the other team. Varg says: don't do that.

>>384564125
At baron you stood in miss fortune's ult while you were trying to kill her. You were right at the edge of it. That's a mechanical problem that's easy to fix.

This thread is everything wrong with /v/.

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op here, getting so sick of solo duo by far.Our shit head jungler didnt smite and they stole the baron.
I cant say i played perfect but i wasnt the reason we lost this match.

>>384564125
lol @ your team forgetting yi existed. I knew that would happen eventually.

>>384566682
that guy fucking one tapped us
going in another match in 5 minutes, roast me or give me advice as much as you can guys

>>384566643
Called it.
Don't play mages supp.
They had a Janna, you should have just played a tank to peel or nami,
Look dude, just play jungle and one trick amumu to gold.

>>384566762
i hate to jungle,its hard to balance the level and ganks,also shitheads will get themselves and you killed most of the time when you gank

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>>384566824
You know what dude, just fuck you.
You deserve silver. Stay there.

Here is what you should fix in your laning:
>go and guard your jungle instead of going to lane and standing next to turret until jungle spawns
>stop wasting wards early in river before the enemy jungle could finish his route (before 4 mins or so)
>start your combo with e or w but mostly e, NEVER start with q especially as a support, q is your only cc and makes your w hit easier
>learn some map awereness after the 6th gank from Annie
>stop playing first time Brand on ranked
>stop warding river bush from red side when you are pushed in by 30 minions (because you WILL take damage and the enemy can easily kill you)
And there are other situational stuff you fail to notice, for example when you fought Annie at drake around 18th min you took her hp down to 500ish but didn't use your ult because you thought it'd be a waste on a single target BUT her Tibbers was standing next to her so your ult would've bounces between the 2 of them effectively granting you a kill
Your biggest mistake in this game was never properly using your combo and missing a lot of kills and dying because of that

Stopped watching when the laning was over so I have no idea whether you won or lost

>>384566881
OKAY OKAY, SORRY IM GOING IN AS AMUMU RIGHT THIS MATCH , QUEUEING RN

>>384566927
Go Cinderhulk, Rilay, Liandry and itemize tank for enemy comps. mostly against their carry.
Finish boots after rilay.

>>384566637
Fuck off, faggot.

>>384566898
we were doing pretty good but then our jungler didnt smite le baron

>>384567035
Max W, E, Q, R.

>>384564125
Lessons to learn from this game:
Early game if you are zoning the opponent tell your adc to last hit only and not push. Once you have like a bf sword and enough damage to take a turret in a reasonable amount of time then you can push.

Expect the four man gank. You guys killed amumu then you face checked the annie bush. Expect the four man gank. When you saw mid missing you should have assumed she was up your ass if you had no further information. Expect it, seriously. It's essential to succeeding bottom lane.

Look up a warding guide for supports. You need to ward more. You need to buy a pink when you back if you don't have one up. Sometimes you also need to buy one if you do. You didn't just buy that sightstone for decoration. Use it.

There comes a point in the game, pretty much after laning phase, where you can't be in the front line as brand. If you had wards up then yeah maybe you can do a pick off. But you were getting impatient and trying to initiate fights yourself. You can't do that, especially with a malphite and wukong on your team. You need to be way more patient and play like a pussy. I want you to look at that replay in the cold light of morning and take note of how your team wasn't really in a position to help you when you took some of those fights.

The last mistake of the game belongs to your wukong and malphite, but you made your share of mistakes. I think if you warded those bushes in their jungle with 3 wards after you took your turret, you would have seen them coming and your team could have responded intelligently and not thrown the dragon fight. It's a different game then.

>>384567047
A single baron can't win a game in silver elo so you weren't doing that good I reckon

>>384567120
i couldve bet my whole life if we had that baron we'd win

>>384567067
>But you were getting impatient and trying to initiate fights yourself
I want to emphasize that you were trying to do this without vision. The not warding thing and the taking bad fights things are interrelated. If you have vision you can make better judgements about when to fight.

Also, you didn't upgrade your scanner trinket. You could have been flushing out wards around baron or in your jungle and warding yourself. That gives your team a huge advantage.

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>>384567213
KATA AND RYZE IN BOT LANE
DONT EVEN SPECTATE GUYS THIS IS OVER BY NOW
ryze traded with sup btw

>>384567213
Well yeah, now we are back at blaming others (even if rightfully) and completely ignoring the part where I criticised your playing style and pointed out mistakes
You could've carried, you had the potential, but you were mediocre, better yourself and you will win and climb

>>384567382
ok, you are pretty correct i usually forgot to ward and didnt take out wards most of the time im sorry,i'll try better next time.

>>384567297
That's a strong lane though.
Stop being a shitter and camp then, they have CC and burst.

>>384549507
>How do i rank up if i get a team full of shitheads every match?

You don't

Lol is a trash game in a way that its WAY TOO EASY to make a negative impact on the game than it is to make positive one.

If the enemy is not shit you barely ever are able to gank a lane, be it as a jungler, mid, top or support. so unless your teammates win their lane or at least break even you lost.

>>384553027
>wukong support is pretty nice at damage

No he is fucking not you retard, he still requires a lot of gold. If you want to deal damage as support you pick zyra or brand. Wukong is a melee bruiser with no CC, how the fuck do you expect to be able to do anything in bottom lane?

>>384553483
> i stay behind my adc until level 3

Ok, i give up

How do you stop the faggits in your silver teams playing AP Udry or some shit.

>>384567504
>If the enemy is not shit you barely ever are able to gank a lane,
That's when you counterjungle and counter gank. Git gud.

>>384567472
And watch your combo as Brand
Every skill has a secondary effect after they are ablaze
>q stun
>w extra damage
>e set nearby enemies ablaze
E's secondary is pretty useless so that's why you always start with it to trigger blaze then use q to stun and w to deal extra damage

So again, this is your combo: e -> q -> w -> r

>>384567472
5 pink wards cost 375 gold. That's less than an amp tome. 5 pink wards make a hell of a lot more difference in a game than an amp tome.

>>384550527
you still died 10 fucking times. thats a lot of gold and exp you gave to the enemy.

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>>384567487
did you spectate?

>>384569638
i hit sick ultis and spammed q to everyone who tried to escape

i guess no faggots here,if there is no one im going to play flex and practice brand

>>384569953
Practice Amumu or a tank supp instead

>>384570265
amumu in jungle or as support?

>>384570361
Jungle
If you want to play something similar botlane, play Nautilus.

>>384553514
veigar can be pretty good, he gets an ability power point for each hit on an enemy champion so if you poke while your adc farms you're good

>>384554198
Why stop killing wolves? Aren't jungle supposed to kill all the jungle thingies

>>384570850
he is talking about top laners who take wolves , read better faggot

>>384570850
>>384571047
Imagine you're in a game. It's about 25 minutes in. You win a teamfight. What do you do? If you said "push minions to a turret and take said turret" then you are correct. If you said "kill the wolves I'm standing next to" then you'll never get out of bronze.

>>384560761
Wait how do you do Soraka top?that sounds fun and salt inducing

>>384571291
baka dude
he is talking about top laners who take the wolves at level 1 for advantage

>>384571467
wtf? i said
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not baka