Castlevania Netflix

Science and religion both exist. The issue is one is using their views to suppress and kill the other.

Satan is good in libcuck land

It doesn't work because the first line of your post isn't said in the show

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I can't believe they had the audacity to make the villain the Church.
Castlevania's never had a villainous priest before.

Never played a Castlevania game, how powerful is Dracula? How powerful are vampires in general? Are there more vampires apart from Dracula and his son? How are they made?

>>383609673
It's funny to constantly see these threads made by people who seem to bee too illiterate to watch a simple cartoon.

>>383609923
I didn't say science doesn't exist, I sad the world runs on it, which is clearly implied unless Drac's wife was making shit up about medicine and that observatory in his castle was a prop.

>>383609673
The Netflix series seemed pretty pro christian to me
>God does indeed exist in this world
>hates evil (denied protection from demons to bishop)
>actual priests are pretty good guys who are willing to help, the ones who tried to kill the speaker were literally hired thugs
>holy things are required for killing demons
>Trevor's whip is literally blessed by God to kill demons
Hell, the Archbishop could have been a pretty good guy, considering what the Bishop of Gresit said about having "differences

>>383610280
Dracula is literally evil incarnate in the castlevania universe.

>nu fags mad that the show was decent
>Gotta make shit threads and shit on something people enjoy

unironically kill yourselves

Just because that one guy from the church was bad didn't mean the whole church was bad. They even made a point to bring up all the innocents who were being dragged in for no reason, and that one guy who could still make holy water.

What's interesting is the demon's speech at the end before he kissed the priest. "God exists and he hates you", this god seems alright

>>383610280
Dracula is pretty much Satan.
He commands demons, vampires, werewolves, skeletons, zombies and all other kinds of evil creatures you can imagine.
He also has access to magic and can never be killed for good.

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>Castlevania 3 adaptation
>expecting the Church not to be a good guy
Why do you shitposters keep making these dumbass threads?

>>383609673
>because the world runs on science
Demons spell out that god exist he just doesn't like assholes who burn innocent women while powertripping.
Demons do like them though.

>>383610616

pretty sure he makes satan shit himself.

Seeing as Death himself is his right hand man

>>383610280
Dracula made a pact with death to become immortal, this also made him a sort of foundation of dark magic in the setting, his very existence, rather than anything he actively does causes the dead to rise from their graves and monsters to crawl out of the shadows. In terms of power he exercises biblical level plagues a few times, while normal vampires are simply superhuman skilled in magic, they are not normally demigods like him. normal vampires are born from vampire bites, Dracula in paticuler stole another vampires soul during the ritual in which he made the pact with death.

>>383610519
Anon, why would shitposters pay that much attention to detail?

SUCCUBUS

>>383599309
>>383600167
>4channers
>Everyone on /v/ is ACTUALLY an atheifag like le me
Sorry summerfag, 4chan isn't an /r/atheism hugbox filled with plebbit upboats and karma

>>383610519
>Hell, the Archbishop could have been a pretty good guy, considering what the Bishop of Gresit said about having "differences
It's more like he was some sort of sick fuck pedophile.

>>383610573
His actions seemed justified in this show. Is he like that in the games?

>>383609923
You can't explain a christian god with science. If he exists, science is just religion.

>>383610839
When was that ever implied?

>>383610280
>>383610616
>>383610728

That's cool. So what does that make Alucard? Is he a vampire/human hybrid with a human conscience and vampire powers similar to his father's? And who's the mother?

>>383610969
Completely untrue. Science and a christian god can co-exist.

>>383610573
Dracula isn't evil incarnate. It's Castlevania (his Castle), that is the conduit of all evil and creates everything, including Dracula. Play AoS and get the 100% ending.

>>383610875
he lost his wife to disease while he was off crusading, which drove him to abandon god and the church and recluse for a long time, then he found a new girl and she was, as you see burned as a witch which turned him against humanity, the curse he enacted then has lingered ever since, and whenever he is brought back to life, the curse and all the monsters come back as well without any action from him anymore.

>he's going to spend the rest of eternity stuck on earth
>wants to kill all humans
Does he realize how boring things will get if he succeeds

>>383610875
Nah, Dracula's in asshole through and through, the only slightest bit of humanity he ever shows in the whole series is at the end of Symphony of the Night when he feels a little bad about his wife dying in the most horrific way possible

>>383610875
Well no, the point is that Dracula is going fucking bananas and will be indiscriminately wiping humanity out so he's a sympathetic villain. Before he dies in game Alucard reveals to him Lisa's final wishes and Dracula becomes remorseful about everything he's done.

>>383611053
If you are a new age bullshitter that disregards half of the religion yeh.

>>383610250
Her getting BTFO in the bad ending was great.

>>383611098
He just wants to kill the ones in Wallachia, remember how he told that old lady to get her family and leave the country?

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>>383610280
He is the literal manifestation of the Castlevanaia universe's Anti-God, Chaos. Other vampires are pretty strong, but none can compare to Dracula.

>>383611130
Doesnt he come back again after Alucard kills him though?
These games are so confusing i dont know whats a sequel to what.

>>383609673
The Bishop took it way too fucking far. That demon goes out of his way to tell him that God himself was disgusted by his actions and abandoned him.

>>383611236
What about the games?

>>383610591
My only complaint is that it was too short.

>>383611163
I don't sympahize with New Age believers as they're gnostics under a different name, but you're deliberately obtuse if you think you need to disregard anything about Christianity to reconcile science. Just as stupid as the people you're insulting actually.

>>383611000
>implied
It was directly talked about if I'm thinking of the same scene. The Arch Bishop and another Church Figure are talking during Lisas execution. The other Church guy is questioning why the Arch Bishop did what he did, in a way that he's trying to make him understand how it's not 100% right. And at one point he says he's been studying Chemistry and immediately the Arch Bishop shoots him a "the fuck nigga?" look which shuts up the other Church figure due to fear of execution. Further hinting that the Arch Bishop and Bishop are ruling the people via demagoguery.

>>383611000
What did you expect, with Ennies being the head writer?

>>383611021
Since Dracula had not yet died/lost his human body before meeting Trevor, he made a son which inherited some of his dark powers with a normal human woman named Lisa. Lisa was burned to the stake for wanting Dracula's dick however which turned Dracula into the mustache twirling villain that he is in the series.

Alucard however assisted to his mother's death and her last word was to not hate humans for what they have done because they're just a miserable species already.

>>383611356
Numerous aspects of Christianity directly contradict scientific facts, such as the story of Jesus.

>>383611356
god is inherently ineffable. you cannot come up with a scientific explanation for him, by his own admission.

>>383611356
>all this text
>just to setup your shitty mental gymnastics explanation

Just fucking leave, no one wants you here.

>>383611258
Well it's an adaptation of Castlevania 3, with story moments that were shown in SotN, so that's what I'm sticking too.

>religious superstition is bad
The fuck? It's literally what helps the heroes fight off demons. It's also heavily implied that churches which aren't run by corrupt scumbags are safe from demonic attacks.

>>383611356

The scientific method itself is incompatible with Christianity on a fundamental level. Christianity relies on faith to determine whether its dogma is true, whereas the scientific method is used to create theoretical models based on empirical evidence and even THEN doesn't prove that anything is true.

>another retarded fucking religion thread from a faggot who couldn't bother to pay attention to the show

wish I could run each and every one of you over

how young do you have to be to have this mediocre piece of fiction as your ''babby's first corrupted church''-storyline - and then be completely analchafed about it

>>383611569
CREATIONISM BRO

>>383611461
>another Church Figure
>calls him Mayor multiple times

>>383611569
>>383611581
>>383611632
>>383611706
>samefagging
>>>/pol/

>>383611706
Catholics dont really see any problem with science since they see it as just discovering how god created the universe.

>>383610875
In Symphony of the Night, where we get the backstory about his wife Lisa. The Netflix series involves events from CV3 and Symphony of the Night (at least the flashbacks from that game).

Heck, Drac reveals himself a pretty decent dude- underneath it all- at the end of SotN, saying that he deserved death and had made a mistake. This was one of the first hints, too, that the Castle, given to him by Satan, was the real enemy of the series, constantly resurrecting Dracula and sending him once again on a genocidal killing spree. In 1999, Julius Belmont figures this out and tries to kill the Castle while Sypha Belnades' descendant, Yoko, seals the Castle within a solar eclipse. But that is a story (Aria of Sorrow) for another time.

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>>383611338
The games where he resurrects by time, and where he is resurrected by other people: They play and present themselves very differently
Its almost like Dracula is polite to his summoners. But when he just resurrects, its more like his backyard keeps ravaging the far reaches of the countryside.

SotN adaption when?

>>383611795
great counter argument

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>>383609673

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>>383611795

>>383611736
t. Muhammad

>>383611757
getting you's for religionposting is the new fad

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>>383611864

It's just a hamfisted attempt to give Shaft an origin story.

>>383610839
This was not once touched upon or hinted.

>>383611869
>europoor

eat shit, chad

>>383611843
Interesting. If I started with SotN, would that be ruining the Castlevania(tm) experience?

>>383611806

But they never turn the scientific method towards specifically Catholic beliefs, such as God's miracles.

You're making the mistake most people do. "Science" does not mean "the facts and models about how the universe works". It means the process of using the scientific method to test a hypothesis using evidence, and determining if the evidence refutes the hypothesis or does not. This process is incompatible with any faith-based religion.

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>>383611000
It's implied by the fact that Arch Bishop is drawn as the most disgusting looking figure in the cartoon. He's a giant fat fuck with a double chin the size of babby's head and he seems to be low energy and barely moving.

Bishop of Gesrit talks about him with disgust which you could assume to be because he's not "pious" (crazy) enough, but since the event Arch-Bishop dies at is literally celebrating Lisa's death, i doubt their views misalign that much

It's more likely that Arch-bishop is just corrupt as fuck with the way he's portrayed.


>>383611461
> Arch Bishop
That wasn't Arch Bishop. It was Bishop (of Gesrit)
>another Church Figure
That was mayor of the city.

This is arch bishop.

>>383611249
Nah, Bro. Dracula is mondo powerful, and has been for some time (even as a human- Lament of Innocence), but Chaos is the heart of the Castle, not of Dracula, per dialog in Aria of Sorrow.

>>383611461
The wasn't the Arch Bishop, that was the regular Bishop who burned Lisa, they even mention the Arch Bishop in that conversation

>>383609673
Why are all catholics getting mad over this show?
Religion in general has only caused wars, hatred and death. Besides we are all in fucking 4chan so why do you care

>>383611961
You just can't stop being wrong, can you?

>>383611276
>>383610605
>>383611757
>>383611904
>Drumpfkin /pol/tards hating on the golden compass:CV edition
Aww, is /pol/ angry truth is being spit out?

>>383612213
eat

shit

>>383612130
Both are one and the same. Bringing back Castlevania inevitably brings back Dracula and vice versa.

>>383612207
the edge

>>383612225
what?

>>383612207
>IRL Atheist killed more in a century than Christians in 2 millennium

>>383610280
Drac has Demonic Meggido, power so great that it can actually defeat invincibility cheats

>>383612048
The only games in the classic series that actually matter are Dracula's Curse and Rondo of Blood, you should get the remake of Rondo of Blood (called Dracula X Chronicles) on PSP since it comes with the original RoB and SotN, but avoid playing the actual remake itself and listen to the good soundtrack online, just play the originals it comes with

>>383612207
factually incorrect

>>383612438
churchs are full of rapists tho and that war going on on that shithole filled with terrorrists are fighting because muh religion

>>383612225
Who are you talking to

>>383612207
It's a diversion tactic to get people to stop talking about another high ranking Vatican official being another pedophile that the church has been protecting for decades.

http://time.com/4838347/australia-george-pell-vatican-sexual-assault-catholic/

>>383611943
Why would Dracula be buddies with the guy who's responsible for the death of his wife?

When religion/science exist in the same world in fiction, it's really not a big deal. It's interesting and it's fun to watch because in FICTION, the religion can have actual tangible existence. There can be demons, magic powers, blessings from gods, etc. And that can clash with science and it's inventions and cleverness.

But in the real world, if anything religions claim to be true actually does exist, it ceases to be religion. Because that's how it works.

>>383609673
Religious superstition is bad because evil men justify their evil actions via it

Are you really that fucking dense?

>>383612653
>buddies

Shaft is just his bitch. They don't pal around.

>>383612546
Thanks, I'll look into it

>>383612632
>Diverting non-vidya shit by talking about a vidya tv show
Learn2Internet

>>383612114
>>383612149
I thought that was the Bishop and the Arch Bishop was below him.

>>383612683
Evil men can use any ideology or theory to justify evil actions fucknuts.

>>383611843
>saying that he deserved death and had made a mistake

He never said this and all subsequent resurrections he gets right back to it like he learned nothing.

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>>383612130
Actually, Chaos is the source of most of Dracula'so powers, and is quite likely the reason as to why he can revive himself without end. Chaos and Dracula are for all intents and purposes, one and the same.

>>383612683
Then explain why Trump is the main villain

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>>383611864
damn, really shafts the gears.

>>383611569
>>383611581
>>383611706
Science is the study of the empirical. There have been attempts throughout history to reconcile this but they've always been people too ahead of their time. From Thoth, and Pythagoras, up the line to Steiner and Cayce. I see where you're coming from, but science is not anathema to religion. Science is born out of numerology which is law from God. This becomes harder to reconcile when you draw the boundary between what is God and what is of the material or cosmic forces if you will, but it's like the Heisenburg Principle of Uncertainty. The more you try to measure the momentum of something, the less certain you can actually be of its position. I disagree with anthroposophy for the same reasons you disagree with what I'm saying. But it's not because "God is ineffable." As Cayce said, if it's of the cosmic force it's not inherently of God, but the cosmic force IN MOTION is God. We're only now beginning to tap into these sciences with the advent of experiments into the zeno effect and whatnot.

>>383611632
You started the argument by kicking up mud about something you don't understand.

>>383613107
>You started the argument by kicking up mud about something you don't understand.

That was a different poster.

In your entire paragraph of bullshit you haven't refuted the simplest of arguments presented to you.

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>>383612973
>>383612130
>>383611249

The last chronological event to occur in the original continuity is that Olrox tried to assume the power of Chaos, and Death is who opposed him seeing him as a traitor and pretender of Dracula, which to me would imply the two entities are separate to some extent.

>>383612869
How bad is your english? Arch is basically "superior".
Arch-bishops to bishops, Archangels to angels.
It's even there in the fucking "monarch"

>>383611258
The gist of the series is that Dracula was a man that made a deal with the devil to obtain the power to spite god and not die (hell, he became Death's best buddy), largely because his wife (not Lisa) died. Dracula's softened by a woman named Lisa whom gives birth to a half-vampire son, Alucard, not too long before she is killed for being a witch (debatable if she was in the games), which pretty much decides that Dracula will never let himself have a heart again, even if he could. Every century, the Castle brings Dracula back from undeath (though sometimes humans can call him forth quicker, albeit in a weaker state). Eventually one of the Belmont family's descendants figures out that the castle is the real enemy, as Dracula keeps coming back with seemingly no memory of lessons learned (rarely) over the course of their struggle.

Lament of Innocence -> Castlevania 3 (Netflix series adapts this) -> Curse of Darkness -> Castlevania Adventure \ Belmont's Revenge -> Castlevania I & II -> Harmony of Dissonance -> Rondo of Blood & Symphony of the Night -> Order of Eclessia -> Bloodlines -> Portrait of Ruin -> Aria of Sorrow & Dawn of Sorrow.

There are other games but they don't necessarilly follow continuity, save loosly (implied that some characters are related to the Belmonts, etc). Exception is Castlevania Legends where Sonia Belmont and Alucard get it on and bring Trevor Belmont into the world but for reasons beyond my understanding this has been outright declared uncanon.

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>>383613424
It'seems likely that Chaos requires an avatar, someone who can assume the mantle of King Of The Night, and Dracula was merely the best candidate. Olrox wanted to become King of the Night, but since he wasn'the Dracula or his reincarnation, it probably wouldn't have worked.

>>383613521
Dracula's memories are just fine assuming the game has a plot that justifies any dialogue
The castle was more like Dracula's phylactery that needed to be sealed away to truly kill him

>>383613521
Isn't Dracula's castle also summoned by massive acts of human carnage? (IE WW2)

>>383613761
Dracula became the vampire king from the Crimson Stone, that's way before the castle was involved

>>383610280
He gets cucked constantly while hiding behind an army by the same regular bloodline of human athletes with moistened whip repeatedly.
He is literally the ultimate failure.

You would think that with a world destroying castle appearing every 100 years, Governments would start getting involved once the world started getting industrialized.

>>383613848
Aye, as per Bloodlines. I don't recall another instance of this though.

>>383611473
>Doesn't even know the name of the writer

>>383614151
Characters always seem to comment on fog around the castle. I think it's sort of a bubble that shows up over time (Bloodlines and Portrait of Ruin aren't Dracula's Castle for parts of the game- fairly sure it's the same deal in Belmont's Revenge). Belmonts stop it quick enough and the Castle doesn't really take hold in the real world as a threat.

Exception being Lords of Shadow reboot, where a lot of the usual rules don't apply.

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>>383613893
>Implying that that wasn't Chaos' plan all along.

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>>383610519
>Mother is a devout christian
>watched the show
>at the church scene she basically said "that's true, it's the bishops fault"
>she enjoyed the series
>only amount of christian ire out of her was that it's only 4 episodes and has to wait till next year
>She's still pretty pissed about it.

>>383613848
>No Castlevania games where the Nazis team up with Dracula to conquer Europe and you have to play as GI Belmont to stop them.

In what Castlevania game do you kill demons with salt?

How's the show anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy_FWdbnvM0

I keep watching this and I don't seem to get tired of it.

>>383614709
wasn't Portrait of Ruin during WWII?

>>383615030
Also wasn't whip dude some relative to Bloodline's whip dude?
Johnathan Morris was it?

>>383614709
Why the fuck would Dracula team up with those losers?

A rebooted video game franchise based off of this cartoon would actually be really awesome.

The show is shitting on the medieval Catholic Church, not Christianity in general btw.

>>383614840
SotN

>>383614906
Really really good, 9/10 would approve.

>>383609673
>because something isn't explained it is auto some kind of religious magic and not science

Are you implying fire balls, demons, vampires, and a giant flame telepathic head can't be explained by science?

>>383615145
he was the son of John Morris from Bloodlines, who was the son of Quincy Morris from the Dracula book.

>>383614709
We got the skeletons of soldiers in several of the games, most notably Bloodlines. I think Dracula would use them as pawns if anything.

>>383615030
It was WW1, and yeah, you played as Bloodlines guy's son. Additionally, Bloodlines guy was the son of Quincy Morris, meaning Bram Stoker's novel happened and that van Helsing fought Dracula at some point.

>>383611163
that's what all religion of today does any ways.

>>383614151
What do you think happens in 1999 anon?
Meanwhile Church, Belmonts and other special factions try to deal with it before it gets out of hand. And even when it gets out of hand, it merely ravages a small nation.

>>383614840
Closest thing I can think of is the sacred ash in Sotn

>>383615416
Did you miss when Dracula literally said he'll raise an army out of hell itself?

>>383614840
Ash, actually, which is a thing in Catholic and (more appropriately) Eastern Orthodox tradition.

>>383615530
Portrait of Ruin took place in 1944 so it was WWII.

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>>383609673
Didn't Dracula confirmed their superstitions by turning against them?

How the fuck is dracula even this powerful anyway. In real lore vampires are never this strong, like, the best they can do is flying over to you and bite you in the neck.

>>383615670
>implying the existence of hell and the transportation of an army from hell can't be explained by science

>>383615731
>In real lore
>Real lore
Vampires don't exist, anon. The closest you get are bankers and lawyers.

>>383615731
In the series canon, he was a human during the Crusades (i.e. not the historical Dracula) whom acquired the Crimson Stone, a magical gem which grants him considerably more power and an army of monsters. The Black Stone, also acquired by him, binds Death to him (though I think they're pretty good buds now and Drac doesn't have to force Death to do anything anymore).

>>383615825
You stupid fuck, learn the definition of lore before replying to me again

>>383615705
Oh shit, you're right. I think I wound up thinking it was WW1 because that war was a way bigger meat grinder.

>>383615731

Castlevania Vampires are Demon Lords. High Demon Lords like Dracula have power over souls, and can absorb them.

>>383615731
In even normal lore Dracula can command people so it's not out of the realm of possibility he can control other shit too

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>>383615731
>real vampire lore

>>383616105
Vampires don't exist. There's no such thing as a "real" vampire.

>>383610657
They're shitposting about a japanese show primarily aimed at a japanese audience based on american political ideologies anon. they aren't the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree.

Portrait of Ruin may have taken place during WW2 but it did not take advantage of the setting at all.

>>383616139
It was Bloodlines that took place around WW1.

>>383613107
god damn americans shittin up my /v/ again

>>383616247
The Castlevania show was animated by Americans and written by a brit.

What if the demon didn't know shit either and God, Satan, AND heaven all dont exist. Only hell?

>>383616459
what if aliens????

Why was it only 4 episodes long? Why wad Trevor so edgy in it? Why was it 4 episodes long and literally nothing happened in 2 of them?

>>>/tv/

Can you guys stop?

Make sure to watch the new Castlevania show for us gamers on Netflix for only $9.99 a month!

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>>383616409
Oh seriously?

I'm so used to this kind of shitposting I just assumed people were being retarded again. If that's the case though all you need to do is post

>western "anime"

and you've summed up everything you really need to know.

>>383616409
No wonder only the writing is decent. That animation is shit.

>>383616531
>Why was it only 4 episodes long?
Animation budget. Could only afford that much with their initial starting payout. A second season's already confirmed.
> Why wad Trevor so edgy in it?
The only Castlevania protags who have had actual demonstrated personalities and aren't edgy are Simon, Richter, and Julius.

>>383616459
>even demons believe that there is something better than Hell
>there isn't

Sad thought

>>383616674
Don't forget soma :^)

>>383616531
>Why wad Trevor so edgy in it?

Ellis stole ideas from Berserk and Cowboy bebop, but didn't execute them as well. So he's quippy laid back outsider who hates authority.

>>383616846
>So he's quippy laid back outsider who hates authority.
That's just Ellis protags in general.

>>383616582
I just pirated it, silly anon

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>>383613107
>science is not anathema to religion

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>>383616582
>he pays for tee vee

>>383616781
And Shanoa.

>>383616965
Rather pay ten bucks a month for netflix than the upwards of 100 bucks Time Warner charges for their commercials.

>Lisa doesn't look like she aged a day when she died
>Alucard is already an adult

How did they fuck up this badly?

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>>383617071
Vampires grow fast boy

>>383617068
I don't pay $100+ for the internet, and I don't recall the last time I've seen a commecial

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>>383615731
By committing to his greatest deficiency: Hoarding
While the Belmonts don't hoard(barely even has a inventory), what do you think we get in Mattias Game? Or when we play as Alucard? Or Halfbreeds? Or the guy we play as in Aria games?

Even Shannoa isn't as bad as a hoarder as Dracula Inc

What is Non-overlapping magisteria?

>>383617071
Did you pay attention to the dates? The timeskip was 20 years. Lisa/Drac got straight to fucking, and you couldn't tell Lisa wasn't in her 40's while on fire

>>383617434
>you couldn't tell Lisa wasn't in her 40's while on fire

She looks exactly the same minus a cut or two.

>>383616242
I strongly agree with this sentiment, but, when you try to apply it to other things people go from zero to autistic in a shitfit of frothing rage.

Like for instance dragons.

>>383615731
Have you read Bram Stoker's Dracula?

He was a pretty powerful motherfucker in that too. Not quite at the level of castlevania drac because anime powerlevels and shit but way more powerful than what you'd traditionally think of a vampire.

ITS OUT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6x0KCOAU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6x0KCOAU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6x0KCOAU4

>>383617071
>>Lisa doesn't look like she aged a day when she died

The amazing anti-aging properties of vampire jizz when taken daily

>Religious superstition is bad

Quit being retarded, the show doesn't even come close to saying this. The only bad things about the Christian church in Wallachia are the shitholes running it. Shit, if anything, some of the mythos holds up - an actual priest made some holy water that burned the flesh of demons.

If anything, it's trying to show the two as capable of coexisting.

>>383615416
I'd love to see someone try, actually. It'd be cool if scientists in a setting like that could actually find the "magic" with a microscope going down to the quantum level or something. Dracula is magic wielder who also masters science, which is a pretty refreshing break from magicians who are clueless about technology. It would be dope seeing a regular scientist try to make a technological magic wand or something. Or a "magic attractor" he sticks on his chest that lets him access magic in some capacity.

>>383617501

Not him but I think you just wanted to see some wrinkles to get a quick milf fap in before she died, eh?

That do it for you? You don't have to lie.

I actually hope this show is the catalyst to redpill people that the catholic church's elite leaders are corrupt

>>383617903
No, I'd have preferred there to be a longer timeskip. After all she looks young in SotN.

>>383618007
20 years isn't long enough?

Is there any way I can watch this subbed with Japanese audio?

>>383618257

You can't take it long enough apparently!

>>383618276

The options are there in netflix but if you're pirating, I dunno but the links exist.

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Sega Saturn version of Symphony of the Night ported to 3ds when?

>>383611569
>such as the story of Jesus
???

>>383615806

If you are taking science to simply mean "how do you do X", then yeah it can be explained with science. The exact methods involved have to have some sort of structure, which is why it takes Dracula a year to raise that army.

But if you take it to mean that everything has a precise, logical explanation, then science can't explain shit. Stuff like holy water defies rational explanation.

>>383618276
It's an American-made show, you stupid weeaboo.

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>>383618495
>Symphony of the Night on 3DS
NUT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZ_M0w8xKs

>>383617789
Dracula has to have taken steps to ensure she wouldn't get old, right? Of all people, he should know that human lifespans are like the blink of an eye to him. And she doesn't strike me as the type that would appreciate being vampirized, so he'd have to figure out something else.

>>383618257
Between her dying and Dracula's attack.

>>383611000
Iirc the other priest makes a comment about the arch bishops "appetites" in a disgusted way.

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>4 fucking episodes
Fuck you Netflix

>>383618964
new episodes when?

>>383611864
can someone edit Yoko's head so it's even smaller?

>>383618997
next year

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>>383619108

I really hope they are allowed to and do put some classic CV remixes in there, that shit would kick hype levels up to 11

>>383609673
That's not how it works at all
It's more like
>Fanatical religious extremism is bad

It was directly explained that God or religion wasn't the problem, but the bishop perverting the institution. By the time the demon started munching on his face, God had pretty much abandoned him for being an asshole

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>>383613424
>Circle of the moon is not canon

>>383619218
>Vampire Killer kicks in during the final run to Dracula's throne room

I'd fucking lose it

>>383610875
>justified
>some dudes killed my wife so now the whole world needs to die

Fuck off. He may be a sympathetic villain in the show, but he is in no way justified.

>>383617071
man that jump cut to Lisa instantly burning made me laugh. I think it was a bit on the nose when in one second she says "I'm going to help humanity with science!" and the next second she's burning at the stake. I guess that was the point though.

>>383616674
and Jonathan

>>383613424
>>383613521
Did Lament of Innocence really add anything worthwhile? Did we already need the "Dracula is butthurt because his wife died" origin story recycled?

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>>383619218
I really hope they add these at the start of each episode.

>>383619490
>trying to understand the motives behind an immortal

>>383609673
>Bad writing
>Bad dialog
>Written for 12 year olds
T-t-t-hanks Warren Ellis...

>tfw "I no longer travel as a man"
That delivery was GOAT.

>>383619684
Honestly if you were actually immortal the span of a human lifetime would be like the blink of an eye to you. I get being mad that she was murdered but she's a human. She was always going to die.

>>383614650
The difference being that your mom is a devout christian and the people whining are teenagers convinced they're fighting some sort of culture war who only pay lip service to their religion.

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>Due to the limited time, Ellis opted to drop Grant Danasty, a pirate character in the game; Ellis noted that besides "the stupid name", he felt the pirate was misplaced in the setting and that the limited run time would not allow him to develop the character fully.[7]

>>383620065
>Honestly if you were actually immortal the span of a human lifetime would be like the blink of an eye to you

Dogs live much shorter lives than humans. Doesn't mean you wouldn't get royally pissed if someone broke into your home and shot yours.

>>383620198
I was wondering about that...
Let's be real though, there's a precedent for pirates in the series. Sea-faring in general.

>>383620198
source

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>Ellis admitted he's never played Castlevania
>In fact he doesn't even play video games
>Said he only wanted to work on this project because he Googled Castlevania one day and it reminded him of Hammer movies
>The show is written nothing like a Hammer movie

????

>>383610409
That was just in his castle.

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>>383620198
Fuck you Ellis

>>383620198
I was wondering where danasty was

>>383620394

We could have gotten an animated Hammer Horror movie. That would have just been perfect. This, while decent, is embarrassing trash that is only interesting because of the Castlevania connection. I would not show this to any of my family.

>>383620394
He wrote the script back in 2007.

>>383619524
Spoiler time: Walter, another vampire, kills Leon Belmont's wife just as a show of power. Her soul is sealed within the Vampire Killer whip Leon uses , allowing it to harm vampires. All of this orchestrated by Mathias, whom would become Dracula. This is the start of the long-standing Belmont clan's foray into vampire hunting.

It was badass.

>>383611943
Nigga dead

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>>383620575
The world design is perfect classic horror but everything else doesn't feel that way

>>383619342
Catch the bloody tears Dracula cried upon learning that Lisa was dead? Umph.

The church did nothing wrong

>>383620683

The quips and humor really ruin any kind of horror vibe. It's not scary or tense.

>>383611761
Mayor was clearly his surname retard.

>>383620664
He died in Rondo too, didn't stop him from showing up again in SOTN.

>>383620730
yeah I'm REALLY not enjoying those jokes that have a lot of dead air after them like the audience is supposed to laugh

>>383610519
>Hell, the Archbishop could have been a pretty good guy,

He was made aware of Dracula's threat and did nothing and stood by the idea that she was being killed for the greater good and then mocked Vlad on the day he promised he'd kill them. He's either as corrupt as the Priest or in such poor health he wasn't thinking straight.

>>383620664
>>383620835

The monsters kill him, bring him to Dracula. Dracula revives him, and says he's his servant now. He switches allegiance to Dracula and becomes a fanatical follower. That's not too hard to figure out. This guy was given WAY too much screen time to be some random guy.

>>383620198
>limited run time
This was back when it was going to be just a single 80 minute movie. I think odds are pretty decent he'll be showing up next season.

>>383619342
>Actually, I’m not a gamer! And the awful truth is that I’ve never played or even seen the game. Terrible, isn’t it? When I was first contacted about Castlevania, some 10 years ago, I went to the internet to look it up, and what immediately struck me was how it initially appeared, to me, at least, to be a Japanese transposition of the Hammer Horror films I grew up with and loved. I’m sure that’s a completely wrong-headed perception, by the way, but that’s how it hit me, and how I realized I could write a medieval horror fiction while obeying the ground rules of the work being adapted.
This is why that will never happen, we're lucky it even sticks a little close to the source material.

>>383621015
I really hope they find a way to get him in there

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>>383621092
>a Japanese transposition of the Hammer Horror films I grew up with and loved. I’m sure that’s a completely wrong-headed perception, by the way, but that’s how it hit me

The sad part is that he was actually right, but HE'S the one who fucked it up this time.

>>383612869
The way the catholic church work is you get preists who run a church, bishops who are in charge of a cathedral, archbishops who are basically the head bishop in charge of all the other priests and bishops in a country and then finally the Pope who is the head of the whole religion directly under God Himself.

>>383621357
>directly under God Himself.
godcucks actually believe this

>>383609673
>the world runs on science
The entire premise is that it doesn't run on science and church is to blame for that. I'm not even defending the show, I found it to be pretty mediocre, but did you even watch it before making the thread?

>>383612264
Someone is mad

>In the games richter can literally beat dracula to death with a giant flying crucifix while screaming about the power of jesus
>People saying there is no god in the universe

>>383613107
Why would you choose to explain some shit with science but leave the shit we can't fully explain yet as "LOL GOD"
It's fine in a show based on a video based on fucking horror movies, but in reality life that doesn't work.

>>383621746
are you even paying attention

>>383609673
>Church fucks up abandoning and or twisting the words of God.
>god is actually real and sees this shit.
>"You guys are real shitheads you know what ?"
>Abandons them and the uneducated masses that are being lied to only giving them a peaceful afterlife after being mislead and hell for those that perpetuate it.

God is a canon cold son a bitch in the bible so I guess they wanted to reflect that in the show.

>>383615670
>hell is just another planet and Dracula has access to wormhole technology

Any sufficiently advanced technolgy is essentially magic to those that are too primative to understand it.

>>383621746
I can't think of a single time anyone denies god's existence, they just shit talk the church and even then give credit to true priests. Hell even the demons themselves don't deny god's existence and they would probably have no qualms in doing so, especially during that church scene.

>>383609923
Religion suppressing science is such a boring cliche, especially when the opposite is happening in reality.
I want a series about a magical and wonderful utopia getting stomped out of existence by drab and scientific society, and the series ending with the scientific society unleashing some unspeakable horror upon the world in the name of science.

>>383621837
Are you? A demon flat-out confirmed the existence of god and that he doesn't give a flying fuck about the priests just barely managing to pay him lip service. For the good people, he sent the Belmonts, the Speakers, and got Alucard in the right place and time.

"For what profit is it to a man to gain the world but lose his own soul? Matthew 6:36, I believe. Lisa... forgive me... Farewell, my son!"

>“But after the four episodes that adapt that game, I’m in new territory following some guidelines laid down by the source material, but meeting them in my own way.”
Did he miss the part in castlevania 3 where they killed dracula? Instead of piddling about for 2 episodes before anything really happens? The entire 1st episode was entirely too long for copy paste of what SotN told you in a single boss fight. Episode 2 was literally just
>speakers are so great, the bishop is so evil, trevor has given up so expect a comeback soon
for 20~ fucking minutes.
These episodes really are just twice as long as needed. 4 spent far too much time on the descent to the coffin chamber. Even then roughly 7 minutes are spent on talking to alucard and fighting him.

Feels like they were really trying to stretch the original script even after they figured out there wasn't enough material there for a 80 minutes of screentime.

>>383609673
>demons and demons are confirmed real
>Sypha and her people are atheists despite of that
Why? Are those people stupid or are the writers that bad at world building?

>>383622118
>Religion suppressing science is such a boring cliche, especially when the opposite is happening in reality.
Imagine being this delusional

>>383622134
Nobody is denying the existence of holy powers in the fucking games, this is about how the show is treating it

Who thought it was a good idea to make a four episode "season" that only has one good fucking moment when Alucard and Belmont fight?

>>383622039
You're trying very hard not to just accept that Dracula's got supernatural powers and science to top that off (like in the games). Dude's got TONS of time on his hands- of course he develops technological, steampunky stuff (definitely a nod to Vampire Hunter D in the art style of the castle btw).

>>383609673
>Being so stupid you miss the point of the show
It shits on religious extremism while also portraying the opposite end of the spectrum (fedora/nihilism) as being destructive.
>>383609923
Thread should have ended here but /pol/ can never not be eternally butthurt because muh church. The bishop and his cronies in the Castlevania show are completely indefensible.

>>383616242
Exactly. If vampires existed you'd hear more stories about people going missing. There's no way we could do that without anyone noticing.

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>Peasant woman from the 15th century
>"I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE!"

>>383622475
POTTERY

>>383622241
>Muh scientific progress.
>Muh boner for explaining everything
>Muh desire to wipe out the working class and replace them with robots in the next 50 years.
Frankenstein was a warning, but we didn't listen.

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>>383622241
The church created numerous hospitals during the middle age and made various advancements in the medicine field, including creating the first pharmacies. Back to r/atheism with you.

How do I watch this subbed?

The dub isn't that great.

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>>383609673
>religious superstition is bad because the world runs on science
Oh boy here comes another triggered christcuck that didn't realize that holy water and weaponry actually exists and the demons themselves aknowledge the existence of God but that the Church of Valachia is corrupt and strays from God's path.

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>>383612869

>>383622039
>Any sufficiently advanced technolgy is essentially magic

No, it is INDISTINGUISHABLE from magic. That doesn't mean it is magic.

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>>383622695
>[slurping continues]
>[bishop groans]

>religion in the hands of good men is good
>religion in the hands of bad men is bad
It's not hard to understand

>>383622663
>The dub
Retard, it was made in English first and foremost, it's an American cartoon, it's not a dub.

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>>383622663
>How do I watch this subbed?
I didn't know it was possible to not know how to download a torrent or in the worst case scenario, be unable to operate simple menus in netflix. Plus I found the english dub to be fine. The jap dub is good as well but the subtitles were literally just CC for the english dialogue so I didn't really see the point.

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>>383622695
>mfw

>>383622236
It's the same thing as Asgardians in Marvel. You can believe they exist and still not think they're Gods with a big G

>>383623007
YES IT IS. IT'S SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND

>>383620981
Why would Drac revive the man who burned his waifu?

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>>383622983

>>383623218

To make him his bitch.

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I'VE GOT BALLS OF STEEL
STEEL

>>383622921
Yeah thats why I clarified it with
>to those that are too primative to understand it.

Read the whole sentence before sperging out you autist.

>>383616105
But there is no "real lore" when it comes to certain real life things. Folktales and mythologies changed all the time, it's not like there's a canon for that shit.

>>383623552
>Yeah thats why I

What you tried to do is irrelevant. If you're going to quote Clarke, don't fuck it up.

>>383622236
What do demons have to do with god?
They provably exist in-world and are just hulking fire monsters. It's like if demons were depicted as looking like lions, in that it wouldn't mean we could use lions as proof of god.

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>>383622695

>Lies? In your house of God?

>>383623642
I wasn't quoting anyone. I was paraphrasing.

Fucking sperg.

>>383623694
When said supernatural creatures from beyond this world acknowledge the existence of God and their being allowed *by Him* to get through into our world, I think that pretty much covers it.

>>383610378
>bee

Hmm...

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>>383623460
... this isn't a bar fight. Have some class.

Holy Water>cross>bible>axe>daggers>shit>pocket watch

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>>383610784

>>383623870
>I was paraphrasing

Well no, you weren't. In any way.

Is English not your first language? If it isn't, then that's understandable. Stubborn stupidity is not, however.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF2htc3XDaw
I wish they got Belgrade to voice Alucard

>>383622118
>world partially controlled by God/gods who are powered by worship and for the most part aren't total dickasses
>science's master plan is unleashing a nanobot plague to replace all organic life with 1:1 robot copies identical in form and function
>except they have no soul or faith, so the divine can no longer exist

I'd watch it

>>383610784
(male)

>>383615731
Castlevania Dracula is pretty much the embodiment of magic. Did you not play the fucking GBA series, the occult was in decline in the modern world due to Drac getting sealed.

>>383624237
... not spot on, but I think you ought to watch/read American Gods.

>>383622695
That demon was my favourite character; his snarky lines were great.

>>383624237
So basically Nier but the Replicants win instead of everyone losing.

>>383624191
>Paraphrase
>express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

You're just getting desperate now. I'm embarrassed for you.

Alucard's teleport slash made me climax; also Trevor using all dem subweapons.

>Dat giant cross

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>>383622695
The "Church of Valachia" was a straw-man made by the show's euphoric writer. It's pretty clear he doesn't like religion and is using the show to express that.
>b-b-b-b-b-b-but God does exist in the show
that doesn't disprove the above.

>>383623694
> It's like if demons were depicted as looking like lions, in that it wouldn't mean we could use lions as proof of god.
If lions didn't exist in our world and no one ever saw one until they were summoned from hell, of course we fucking could.

>>383620575
>decent
>embarrassing trash
It can't be both at the same time.

>>383624372
>>383624415
Guess I should check out both of those things. I love the concept, so thanks.

>>383624424

Yes, and you did the opposite. You used part of the quote to say something different. Paraphrasing would be like
>technology from the future can seem like magic, at first glance
What you said was
>Advanced technology IS magic

You fucked up. Why the fuck are you having so much trouble wrapping your head around this?

>>383620730
Regardless of what Ellis says, I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to be an action show rather than a horror one.

I marked out so hard at Trevor using different subweapons. Shame about the voice acting. its so all over the place.

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>>383624539
You're using the wrong chart, m8

>>383610519
This.
The only thing any Christian should be pissed at is that the church is clearly Catholic is design when it's supposed to take place in Eastern Europe

>>383624696
I found the French dub to be solid all the way through

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>>383624748
I like this chart.

>>383621092
You guys are acting like the writer of any animated TV series has absolute control over everything, but that's not the case at all. Ellis is famous so he probably has more say than some literal who, but the producer, storyboard artists, and director have a lot of influence as well.

>>383624662
No you fucking autistic moron. I said it is essentually magic TO THE PRIMATIVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

That second part is important because it clarifies that I am not actually saying it is magic, but that to those that can't understand it, it might as well be. You know sentences are easier to understand when you read all of them.

>>383609673
>How the fuck does that work?
same reason why SMT has zero good law endings and lucifier was just a phony "good guy" final boss each game.

>>383624748
>pre-diluvian babylon
>"okay we're so advanced in science shit we're going to start research on the outer singularities now, but first let's make sure tha-"
>starts raining a lot
>"SHIT, OUR ONLY WEAKNESS....."

>>383609673

Magic is science plebs don´t understand.

/thread

>>383625081
>That second part is important because it clarifies that I am not actually saying it is magic

>is essentially magic to X group
>is essentially magic

Like I said, what you tried to do is irrelevant. Not only is it misusing and misunderstanding the quote, it's also not paraphrasing (another bullshit claim you tried to make).

>>383622475
It's fiction, anon. Are you aware that vampires don't actually exist, either?

>>383612653
>why would Renfield be buddies with Dracula?!
Are people ignorant, lazy or just slow?

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Castlevania collection when?

I want to play the 2D games without resorting to emulation but so many of them are confined to old handhelds.

>>383624539
Hold up there, Chuck. I don't see the Hyborian Age on there at all.

As to Walachia, it's the church *in* the fictionalized version of Walachia. Honestly, aside from painting God as anything but all-loving, I didn't see much against the Church or Christianity in any denomination. In fact, for the "real priests ordained in real churches," it seemed to take them in a good light.

>>383624539
You're stupid as all fuck. I'm not even going to post something constructive or eloquent because you're obviously too brain damaged to think beyond DA CHURCH MAN WAS EBIL>!?!?!?!?!? REEEEEEEEE. Never reproduce, because passing on your genes would be a net detriment to the human race.

>>383624985
I thought he was a little more than the writer from the way his named was attached to everything. In which case I guess we have the director to thank for everything on screen that is faithful to the games. Whoever the fuck sam deat is I can only guess and hope he played the games.

Did a castlevania general used to exist on /vg/? Guess the series being dead doesn't help much

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>>383622695
Husbando of the year.

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"Religion is okay, I guess. But organized religion is full of homophobic anti-science problematic assholes. We should burn down all the churches and remove the taint of Christianity's bigot teachings from society. But I guess you can be personally spiritual. Deal?"

Horseshit, the anti organized religion shit is just the fedoras way of trying to remove the social and community structure religions provide. The writer is a faggot

>>383622695
>[Bishop groans]
This is apparently a distinct sound. Other subs simply say [groans], etc. This guy died uniquely.

>>383625809
When was the last time you went to church or read your bible?

>>383625573
>aside from painting God as anything but all-loving
If anything it paints him in a far more benevolent light than the bible ever did, it's his blessing that makes it possible for humans to fight against dracula and his goons in the first place.

>>383625267
We watched the same show, right?

>>383625912
So far as that goes, that's in the Bible as well. Jesus drives out Legion. His apostles do similar in the Book of Acts.

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>>383625896
>psh.. it's your fault kid.... nothin personnel.......

Did you even watch the show? The bishop and his men are clearly corrupt, but it doesnt mean that tgeir religion is to blame or isnt true. There is a good priest that blesses Holy Water that Trevor used in ep 3 for example. The demons themselves also remark about God etc.

>>383625896
Last Sunday.

>>383625324
All right dude. You're obviously too autistic to admit you just jumped the gun when you thought I was misquoting Clarke.

>Group X can't distinguish between A and B
And
>A and B are essentially the same to group X

Are both saying the same thing. If you really can't understand that, then I have no more to say to you.

>>383626360
And your bible?

>>383626259
I swear that half this thread never watched the show, or only did so while trying to hear it over the music and talking at a party, then ran with it.

>>383625809
Yup, there was literally nothing wrong with the religious institutions of the 14th century! If you potray the time period negatively it means you're against organized religion in all its forms.

>>383625912
>If anything it paints him in a far more benevolent light than the bible ever did, it's his blessing that makes it possible for humans to fight against dracula and his goons in the first place.
What? That's litteraly what God does in the bible.
Hell, the entire point of the New Testament is "God's no loving He became man, died and descended into hell so that we can go to heaven."

>>383626405
Sunday evening.

>>383626405
... last Sunday. This is what church involves.
Not even the dude you're talking to, man, but we can see you've run out of juice and you're trying to defraud the person you disagree with to feel superior.

>>383626425
>Yup, there was literally nothing wrong with the religious institutions of the 14th century!
Not nearly as much as people like to claim, and no more than any other institution in history.
>inb4 shit like "but muh Gallileo"

>the guy who's only using religion to gain power and rule over people is evil
whoa.......................................

>>383626542
What books and chapters? What did you learn?

>>383626591
I wasn't the guy arguing earlier, I don't have a problem with the devout, I just dislike hypocrites. If you're devout be devout, don't talk the talk if you don't walk the walk.

>>383622241
An actual grown up chiming in here to say that if you honestly believe that Christians were actually running around, throwing scientists out of windows and willfully pushing back progress*, then you need to read a fucking book.

(*not counting Puritans, of course. Fuck the Puritans)

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>>383625809
>ambiguous generalizations and strawmen about what different religions are, have been, what potential they hold and how they actually were depicted in this fantasy cartoon about vampires and vampire killers.

Christianity offered the optimal solution for West in history, but times have changed, they cannot fulfill the same purpose anymore. You don't really see them at the forefront of philosophy or sciences, do you? As they are, they've aged past their usefulness.

>>383624758
This is true, there are more Protestants than Catholics in Romania.

>>383623218
Probably won't settle for just killing the guy once, he took the one thing Dracula loved and burned her alive.

>>383625896
I don't believe in God. I do think religious institutions are good for society.
>>383626425
Are you implying this comic book writer is going for a realistic depiction of anything. He's a fruit who has been given a chance to shit up a good series with his fedora tier narrative

>>383626362
>no argument
>just keeps screaming insults over and over

Look up the word 'essentially' and you'll realize why you look like such an idiot. And also why 'indistinguishable' was more appropriately used in the first place.

>then I have no more to say to you

I'll take this to mean you concede. Better luck next time. But you're probably going to respond anyways, you can't help yourself.

>>383626704
I was actually talking to a friend from jerusalem he's an aetheist but he studies jewish and christian texts and I was curious about the edits done by the church.

He seemed to be impressed by how well some translations where. He also mentioned there was a greek translation that was horrible.

>>383610875
I was better than you at picking up moral notions in entertainment when I was fucking 5. That shit is just sad man, that you honestly can't tell what type of portrayal Dracula is getting in this or SOTN.

>>383626731
And more orthodox's than anything else.
It's a shame they didn't use orthodox looks, even as a devout Catholic I have to admit they look good not as good as Catholics but you can't beat the best which are criminally underrepresented in media