why won't normis play strategy games?

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>>383177819
RTS is a genre made for PC thus its racist

>normis
Tell us, for you are one of them.

>>383177819
I BUILD FOR CHINA

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>>383177819
First you see me
Now you're dead

>>383179508
HEHE VERY ECONOMICAL

>>383177819

DOING WHAT'S RIGHT,

>>383177819
I still play Zero hour to this day.

PRESERVING FREEDOM

>>383177819
doesn't normis play mobas?

>>383177819
too hard

>>383177819
>why don't non-autist play autist tailored games?

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coh 2 is fun

You don't shoot people. Pretty gay.

>>383177819
they didn't want to fix interface issues because it's pro to have interface issues.

the other reason is that the market for PC players lacked ""nomis"" in the past.

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I'll make the sacrifice

IT IS HOT IN HERE!

>>383177819
mobas modified and simplified them and made it actually enjoyable, RTS is a confusing boring piece of shit.

>>383181110
you're correct about MOBAs being simplified but they're not any less confusing.

MOBAs are just route memorization simulators. Actually, it's like they took all the problems with RTS and condensed them into a fucking game.

>>383180319
holy shit, how did that not make a contrversie

>>383180319
times were different (as in no sjws in power and no mudslimes)

Besides... check the german version

>>383181481
It did tho

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>>383180319
>there will never be a game where you control a faction like the GLA again

>>383179854
Shockwave mod?

>>383180319
>live in germany
>changed the bomb guyto a barrel
>no shit it is a fucking barrel on rolls full of tnt

>>383177819
Too many apm for casuals. They had to make a game out of a mod for wc3 cause people were too scared and dumb to learn build order and strat

>>383183090
I've played shockwave a little bit but mostly just play AoD maps online on the standard version

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whats going on in this thread

>>383181110
>confusing
In what way is "build shit, destroy the enemy's shit" confusing?

>>383177819
Only shit like CS and diablo 2 was more normalfag than RTS here in northern europe. It was probably the biggest PC genre of all back in 95-2007 or so.

>>383177819
Strategy games are normie you fucking retard, of course you can't even spell the word so the meaning is lost to you.

Anyone who uses "normie" is literally a redditor. How is this not common knowledge yet?

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Just a truck bro

>>383186171
shut up normie

>>383177819
a modern-day set Wargame with proper matchmaking and competent devs would be successful as all hell

>>383179921
I miss when those plus a soviet mine did just enough damage to kill a 640 health tank in one hit. Felt like pure justice for all those teller mines my light vehicles got destroyed by.

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>>383185746
>head bobbing
>RTS

RTS's are mechanically uninvolving until very high level play. The depth comes from thought, stuff like planning strategies and resource management. Seeing as most people play games to switch off and entertain themselves on some easily consumable media, that level of engagement puts them off.

>>383185746
What game?

>>383177819
They are too dumb for RTS.

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>>383185746
Herachy was soo OP in this game, by the time the enemy set up his base, you could already overrun him with your walker and your plasma granade launching alien space marines.

They're games that merge together EVERY SKILL you can develop in videogames.

Speed
Strategy
Tactics
Mindgames
Psychological warfare
Teamwork
Resource managing
Time managing
Planning
Quick thinking
Quick reflexes
Spatial awareness

It's too demanding for normies. Shit, they're too demanding for /v/ pasties too.

>>383179856

warzone was such a good game

>>383185746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKW7yGsCMxQ

Underrated game as fuck

I like RTS, but I'm way too dumb for SupCom, which is from what I hear the pinnacle of the genre.
Any tips for a first timer?

>>383177819
I play CoH 1 almost every day

>>383186761

Probably Universe at War.

Its Ayy Lmaos vs Animu Mecha vs Atlanteans.

Its pretty fun.

>>383185357
people complain about apm, but if you can type 60 wpm that's around 200 apm. it's almost always your brain that's too slow, not your hands.

It used to be THE normie genre here in germany.

>>383187693
Thanks

>>383177819
Because they can play MOBAs and get the same satisfaction for a fraction of the mental taxation.

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>>383186761
Universe at war
Ambitious RTS project with robots, aliens and atztec gods fighting on earth.
It's fun for the first few hours but then you will notice that the game is unfinished as heck and as a result of it the ballance is completely fucked.
Also they had to butcher the campaign, thats why the last missions are litteraly skirmish matches.

being put in a position of (perceived) personal safety while making cold calculating decisions on life and death and social development isn't very apolitical and people can't go around gushing about destroying X country or getting so many helpless minions killed.

besides not being hands-on turns people off.

>>383187440
Don't get scared, it's not like it demands you to learn an ISO manual or some shit.

Cap as much mass extractors as you can and harass the enemy ones.
Set up 2factories and one air base at first
Don't overdo the production if you can't keep up with the Mass Extractors yield. You're going to get bottlenecked and gonna have to cancel or shut down some working factories
Every tier and every unit has a niche to use; they're better at each tier but also exponentially more costly in energy drain AND mass
Never ever stop building Power. At tier 2 you will get the big Energy Facilities.
Mass Fabricators consume a shitton of Energy to have them running in the background, that's why Mass Extractors lying on the ground are better to use early on
The tiny connections that are made between adjacent buildings mean shared bonuses between them: Power Plants around a factory means less energy consumption cost for whatever is getting produced there, same for Mass Fabricators
Power Plants explode violently when shot. Mass Fabricators even more. Mind your buildings and defenses as you don't want an enemy doing a domino effect on your ass

HAVE F U N

>>383187440
Play the tutorials and then play against AI working your way up when you win. Once you are fast at working with the game, go online on FAF to play against actual people and develop your mind games.

I feel like there has never been a game that was such a mix of fun and complete, intolerable bullshit that was Zero Hour. Fuck tunnel spam, fuck stealth GLA, fuck super weapon general's EMP weapons, fuck rocket helix rush, fuck kiting humvees full of rocket troops, fuck Black Lotus, just fuck it. Fuck this whole game.

But in spite of that it was a lot of fun.

>>383187440
The best RTS you can learn and have serious FUN learning them are

Age of Empires 2 and expansions
SupCom Forged Alliance
Company of Heroes (complete)
Starcraft 1/2 (with expansions)
Homeworld 2
HW: Deserts of Kharak
Rise of Nations
Command and Conquer (many titles here, I love Firestorm and Red Alert)
Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne
Dawn of FUCKING War DC/SS

>>383185746
>Divine Intervention playing on the background

>>383188416
> fuck kiting humvees full of rocket troops

It never gets old. Also the Chinese Troop Transports full of mini-gunners. Love me some OP infantry.

>>383177819
They do. They play Fifa.

>>383186378
before the mine changes normal mines used to just be wipe city. I think the best mines now are anti-vehicle mines, since they don't get wasted killing 2 infantry models and alerting your opponent to you being a minebro. the best way to be a massive faggot is with USF M20 mines I think, most people don't even sweep against USF

demos are still fun for cheese wiping unkillable vet 5 okw faggot shit, especially UK/USF demos, nobody expects that shit

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>mfw can't into C&C:G Contra
How do I learn this mod without the AI raping me in the first 5 minutes? Same thing happens when I play Edain BFME

I loved these as a kid but now I feel like they're a big waste of time. I'd rather play against a human opponent and there are lots of competitive games. It's not fun knowing the AI is retarded or is only difficult because it has a bunch of stat bonuses

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>>383189693
>I'd rather play against a human opponent and there are lots of competitive games. It's not fun knowing the AI is retarded or is only difficult because it has a bunch of stat bonuses


>This guy doesn't play RTS MP at all

>>383177819
https://thinkgaming.com/app-sales-data/93650/clash-royale/
>$2,052,421 DAILY REVENUE ESTIMATE

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>Absolutely love RTS games
>only problem is that they drag out too long and a worth while battle only lasts for 4 minutes and once the small skirmish is over all teams go back into hiding for 10+ minutes

This is the problem RTS games are having, they just aren't fast enough.

ANY GAME THAT WAS RELEASED BEFORE 2014 DOESN'T EXIST
AND THAT'S BEING GENEROUS
LELEL DED GAEM DED GAEM
ENJOY UR DED GAEM
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that this game hasn't aged very well at all????
literally unplayable
>wtf how do I know which guys are even good
WHERE ARE MY WAIFUS

That's why.

>>383187536
I'm playing company of heroes 2 and the voices just don't cut it. I never realized how goddamn nice it was to be able to click on a squad and know by the soundbyte alone what unit I'd selected.

>>383177819
Because the only good RTS games are RA2, EE1, AoM, and AOE1

Everything else is shit. Fight me

>>383190356
Rise of Legends, Company of Heroes 1, Supreme Commander.

Why is Ashes of the Singularity shit?

>>383190184
coh 1 doesn't have russian tank waifus though

>>383190490
what's wrong with it

>>383190490
Ah yeah, COH1. I played the shit outta that one but once they shit on the franchise with COH2 I forgot.

Excellent taste.

>>383189756
nice

>>383190356
>>383190490
>>383190570
And Sudden Strike + 2

>>383185357
>muh casuls

>>383190558
IDK senpai, but I keep being told it's a very expensive benchmarker and boring game.

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There are always hardcore boyz in these threads who've beaten some of the hardest RTS campaigns on max difficulty, I challenge anyone reading this to torrent Paraworld and try to beat mission 11 on Hard. My dick has been kicked six ways from Sunday.

>quit wow again
>check vidya game board for at do now?
>RTS not normie
>love rts
>what is wrong with me

Because the genre got taken over by autists who want to play the same exact game over and over and over again.

>>383191102
Show me a link to a download that wont take me literally 2 days and I'll think about it.

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Warcraft IIII will save the rts genre.

>>383185746
Its a shame this won't run on Windows 10. One of my favourite RTS games ever.

Part of the reason why this genre died and modern games died for me is due to level progression and especially meaningless level progression that forces repetition and min/maxing.

I haven't found the same satisfaction from any other game after dropping a nuke on a medieval age sucka in Empire Earth

>>383192121
>Empire Earth

my nigga, i need to replay this again

German campaign was the shit

>>383192306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD1aG3BhAB0


DONGGGGGG
>[WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!!!!!!]

>>383177819

Because it stops being fun when you need 200 apm to be competitive or simply ward off early cheese.

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>>383191580

First, I don't think I can post those types of links here, second, two days isn't bad, you don't have to sit there and watch it.

>>383193328
It slows down everything else I am doing though.

>>383177819
fuck off normalfag

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>>383193454

It takes two days and still slows down everything else you're doing? It sounds like with your internet it'll take two days no matter what. Do you kill the upload speed like a true torrenter to stay speedy?

>>383193167
do people unironically think this

Am I the only person who preferred AoE 3 to AoE 2?
And while I'm at it, Empire Earth 2 was objectively better than it's predecessor.

>>383193789
>Am I the only person who preferred AoE 3 to AoE 2?
probably

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>>383191102
Try pic related on Brutal.

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>>383179856
I don't think any other RTS came close to the tech tree of this one. Takes like 2 hours just to research everything.

>>383192121
My name is methos?

>>383194142

Dang tough. I've beaten it though, to be honest a lot of the earlier missions were harder than the later, particularly with Empire. This, though...haven't been able to beat.

How the fuck do you not get the game to mismatch, even when it's a fresh install on LAN it still fucks up

I'm annoyed that there are no classic strategy games on mobiles.

Seems like it'd be REALLY easy to do a quick port of Age of Empires, for example.

>>383195156
They did. And it sucks penis. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.ageofempirescastlesiege&hl=en

I would have been pleasantly surprised if were any otherwise

>>383195260
That's not a port that's a bastardised general mobile game that uses the Age of Empires name.

I mean literally just take the original AoE game, update it for touchscreen, and release it on mobile. Same way Sega is releasing the Sonic games on mobile.

>>383195535
Silly anon, they will never do that! That'll require talent and effort.

>>383179856
Man I played this games years ago when I was a kid. Didnt know shit about veterancy or anything so I just kept running my tanks into the ground, while the whole game is about saving veterancy and carrying it over to newer tanks.

>>383188580
>Deserts of Kharak
>Good or fun

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>>383177819
>Farmville
>Clash of Clans
>Sim City Buildit
They Do. More "Normies" are playing strategy games right now than "hard core gaymers" like you guys are.

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I love RTSes but I get sucked into games too much to branch out and explore. What games should I check out, so far I've liked Red Alert and Rome: TW 1 & 2 (and Civ I guess)

>>383197404
wargame red dragon is practically total war if it were modern day

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>want to go back to COH2
>click search for match
>feel apprehension take hold as it scans
>game starts
>stress out as I have to juggle a million things
>get frustrated as I slip and lose a few squads
>whether i win or lose, feel exhausted and beat myself up over my fuckups
>feel too tired to do another game
>quit
>never get good

>>383189481
Normal mines are still important since they can cover you when a baserush happens, engine damage is still powerful. Also not getting a sweeper against anything that isnt USF is just retarded, Soviets will make you lose entire squads, grens need vet to not die instantly, OKW needs vet to keep up with enemy upgraded units. You need to sweep demos, no questions asked. With brits you need sweepers so you can chase with tanks without getting your tanks engine damaged while ballsdeep.

>>383197404
Original War
>rts/rpg hybrid
>base building with drone spam
>individual characters with dialogues, choices&consequences

8-bit Armies series
>simplistic
>fun
>Frank Klepacki

Men of War
>co-op campaign
>autistic milsim with ridiculous micro including hat simulator for every single individual soldier
>better tank combat than WoT

>>383187536
Youre a good man, COH1 is great, sad so little people still play it. I wish relic just made 1 final patch to fix some of the issues with the game and add some quality of life changes from COH2. Then it would be a game that will stand the test of time forever

>>383191895
balance becomes more and more important for players, and blizzard cant balance. So I give it a vote of no convidence

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>>383198579
>nazi faggot panther tries to charge my SU-76
>runs over a mine
>SU-76 plinks it to death while kiting

>>383199634
>buy panther
>dont want to but its the only option I have for something that can shoot at tanks without dying instantly
>enemy is low
>charge with tank
>it misses
>ow god jesus the reload time
>hit stop before next shot
>it misses
>nearly dies from other AT fire
>end up spending more time repairing than the soviets
Panthers were a mistake

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Speaking from a younger generation, I'm 18 and most people who play video games these days grew up in a different genre period. The people who played RTS are older and are no longer the main audience for games. As a result, the publishers with their advertising division will try to create the most eye catching display and unfortunately RTS doesn't quite fit into that anymore. Dare I say it's mostly FPS and some TPS which fall into it now. As a result, RTS gamers are becoming fewer and fewer despite the richness in the genre.

>>383199987
>build T-34/76
>I want a usable medium tank, but this oversized special needs light tank is all I get
>bounces rear armour at point blank
>miss miss miss


I can't believe how long they've let the WFA factions have instant repairs and moving accuracy and god infantry and shit

>oh but it's fine look at this competitive play where EFA wins by abusing this broken commander :^)
>uhoh soviets have a usable HMG again, better fix that!

>>383200139
>, I'm 18
please, dont give up like I did

>>383200434
???

>>383200486
you will understand when its time

>>383180319

>tfw you build loads of terrorists then jump in the neutral vehicles and start car bombing everything

Generals was fucking great, I don't care what anyone says.

>>383200543
I already have an idea what I would like to do in my life if that is what you're referring to. Also I have a fuck ton of back up plans for careers.

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>>383189635
rush I suppose, be like a gook and play your keyboard like a guitar :D

>>383200401
Its the usual relic business, they want to make unique races and end up strapping a bunch of unbalanced shit to them. COH1 had the same issue, axis and allies were wellmade, then PE was some kind of experiment of early vehicles, which they then decided to put in the game even though USA wasnt made to deal with vehicles in 2 minutes, and brits being a campy faction, which wehrmacht wasnt made to handle

>>383201038

Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsYeH3Md0VE

>>383191895
>Warcraft IIII
IV*

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>>383201217
>panzer elite vehicles
>mfw they all die to small arms and the faction was actually all about a-move infantry blobs

>>383201298
Wow, that's really cool. I always like to see the things that people invent!

>>383201436
>he never bore witness to the original PE armored car
You are a lucky soul anon. Also double infantry HT build was pretty viable in most patches. Later they nerfed vehicles because they traded too well and then it became a better tactic to just bear with a shitty early game (getting carried by a super capper) and then get MP44s for only 75 munis, even though they were supposed to be 150 muni doctrine limited

>>383177819
Your pic is one of the most normy rts games ever.

>>383201705
to be honest, I don't mind the shitty balance rollercoaster as long as they actually continue to improve things over time rather than just letting shit get really bad. it's funny how many nostalgiafags pretend coh 1 was all perfectly balanced and flawless

most of the stuff they've done with the coh 2 factions has been in the right direction I think, they just need to keep at it. that revamp mod by miragefla and co is nice, wish they'd just implement that whole thing, but it'll never happen

>>383202509
Miragefla is too much of an alliesfag to be copied, although he still gets closer to balance than relic themselves can manage.

COH1 is a mess in balance, patch 1.16 is probably the closest the game got, but it was more by accident than relic working towards it. They had some really bad patches over the years. Like one where they introduced a bug that basically killed axis T3, which was the only viable tier.
If it wasnt for opposing fronts and the terrible factions, which were more experiments than fullfledged races, the game couldve ended up really good. Even now they could get a lot done for PE and brits to make them work. Its sad they dropped support.

>>383177819
Because they're not on Xbox.

>>383203445
they're probably busy figuring out what to do now that they just spent a load of money making a game that nobody likes

>>383186312
Truck of peace?

>>383177819
What mods should i play?

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Just started playing Supreme Commander Forged Alliance again and I completely fucking forgot how to build up a strong economy in this game

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Is there another RTS as atmospheric as TS + FS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i9t2rbTf-g

Anyone got links to the Command and Conquer games? Asking for a friend.

>>383182184
Post 9/11 bloodlust.

>>383207501
https://thepiratebay.org/search/command conquer/0/99/0
>>383207674
inside job

>>383207763
Great....

Now which one should we start with?

>>383207080
Is that heroes of annihilated empires?
I just got that and I'm having loads of fun.

>>383177819
Fuck, I miss this game.

I wish it was still alive and healthy with maybe a playerbase in the few thousands.

But they did, about 13-15 years ago. Heck, everyone played RTS back then, from Battlerealms to Generals, because it was the only big competitive game at the time on PC. But asking why normies don't play them now is like wondering why people don't play arena shooters anymore or PS2 JRPGs.

That said, normies who never really moved on from that era of gaming are still likely to play them today. My officemates in their 30s still play some RA2 and Generals and have absolutely no clue about these newfangled vidya gaymes in 2017.

>>383177819
PA:titans is actually doing well now that they fixed the stupid commander reclaiming. Now it's not starcraft and is instead a strategy game.

>>383177819
It's not that people won't. It's that no one's really tried to market a strategy game to average people since the 90s. There really isn't a lot of material out there on how to present, curate, and package a game like that for your average gamer.
>>383186312
That man enjoys his job far too much.

>>383195156
>>383195260
>>383195535
Speaking of which, how's Civilization and XCOM on mobile?

>>383208161
Red alert 1 and the original command & conquer MIGHT be a little old for ya. Try Red alert 2 and its expansion yuris revenge and go to tiberian sun and its expansion firestorm. After that move onto generals and zero hour. C&C 3 and Red alert 3 are ok games, but as good as the classics. After that, try the first games in the series. They're pretty difficult.

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There's been a resurgence in RTS threads on /v/ talking about the good old days

Why don't we start actually playing these games again?

Sure game groups with /v/ usually fail but we could try at least. Maybe we could do an RTS of the month thing

>>383187440
>SupCom
Play the campaign or skirmish, and don't be afraid to slow the game down. (Num- and Num+)

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>>383208635

yes sir, truly a hidden gem. too bad the skirmish is where everything is, i wish they'd had time/money to flesh out the campaign

>>383210216
Can't blame him his jobs a blast

>>383210290
I have XCOM: EU and it's awesome. many hours spent playing it alongside KOTOR

>>383186456
He's manually moving the camera, retard

>>383177819
thinking

>>383188167
Bullshit

>>383180319
The irony is is that THIS is the diversity games need.
Not muh female protag and nigguh in every game. But a fun terrorist faction.
But of course people get fired over tweets these days, so all the pussies would collectively quiver in trauma if an awesome game like generals came out today.

>>383211543
> posting any DoW other than 1 or its expansions
leave

>>383188580
>no sins of a solar empire
plebian spotted

1v1 competitive games arent going to be popular and no one seems interested in making a single player focused game

>>383197404

try the other C&C games. Dont bother with 4, and I would say skip red alert 3 unless youre desperate

>>383197959
mate take it slow, coh2 is hard sometimes. just play 3v3 or 4v4 so you have teammates who can help you put

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>>383212961
We got womenz, the best Chinese general and only super boss to make it into Zero Hour was a girl.

>>383177819

because even the average nerd is too dumb to play an rts

most of /v/ still falls for the 'muh gookclick' meme when it comes to Brood War even though you only need like 50 apm to play at a fairly high level.

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I just realized that Zero Hour predicts what will happen in real life.

>ISIS gets killed but rises from the ashes
>Fuck up the US who runs away like little bitches behind their walls
>China saves the day and forges stronger relations with Europe.
THANKS TRUMP

>>383213656
It predicted Americans bombing themselves to justify bombing bloodthirsty peasants and take their oil?

>>383213836
Peasants hijacked their super weapon who then used it on American forces.

>>383213656
You're a retard, kid.

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>>383177819
WHERE
ARE
HIS
SHOES?

>>383215826
shoes were such a retarded upgrade

why restrict such a minor upgrade behind 3 fucking building requirements?

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>>383217106
I actually haven't played the game for a long ass time, I only remember this poor sod begging for new shoes.

Can you actually buy him shoes? Holy fuck i need to play this game again

>>383217317
You can, but you have to build an arms dealer, then a palace, then a fucking black market which is where the upgrade is purchasable.

All it literally does is increase their effectiveness by like, 10 percent.

>>383217885
I do NOT care. Nigga needs his shoes. Now I just need to find a way to get this game on my cd drive-less laptop

So what is going to be the next actually good RTS and not shit like Dow 3?

Christ, I love the earlier 2D/Isometric Strategy games, but I keep getting my own ass handed to me because most of the Introductory missions have you rely on limited or even just one to two units?

Tried playing Original War, couldn't get past the Prologue I was so shit, either I couldn't move fast enough and got killed by commies, or didn't move slow enough and got killed by commies.

Is it my lack of Micro? Do I need more of this 'Micro' that seems born within SK Starcraft Veterans?

apparently someone has brought the servers for world in conflict back

http://massgate.org/

would be cool to see some more people come back and play again, would love another game some day

>>383210073
shame it looks like 8-bit armies

>>383197016
nice b8 m8

>>383210073
Is there faction diversity yet? Is racing to nukes still the only fast way to winning?

>>383213656
>isis
>destroy the U.S

delusional Eurofag detected

>>383190558
Thers nothing really wrong with it, people just keep expecting it to be that old game they really liked, then itturned out to be different. SupCom got slammed by some people for years for not being like Starcraft for example.

>>383220804
Racing to nukes was never a viable strategy. It's actually racing to holkins. But you only can build holkins if you have a substational lead.

The game doesn't need factions. It needs tech 4. The way it plays right now you essentially choose your faction by your early game buildings. They need to really encourage that people tech into specific playstyles. I think its greatest strength is that there's no preset factions.

>>383220319
The graphics don't look 8-bit, it looks more like windwaker or something.

>>383218254
Get a USB CD/DVD reader that plugs into your comp

>>383220316
where to get it now that it's off steam?

>>383177819
because no one actually uses strategy as the games were designed for. its just

>Rush build order
>rush unit x
>spam rush base

normies can't make it through one defense by a decent player and are put off. pvp is not nearly as situational or as sandboxy as the single player.

so if any normies are playing it, they're not online. my opinion, anyway.

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>>383177819
Gas this thread.

i hate strategy games because im dumb and can't beat them unless its on the easiest difficulty

i prefer tactics games because its easier to manage a single battle than an entire kingdom

>>383200676
>Also I have a fuck ton of back up plans for careers.
We all did, too.

>>383179919
This is the real question.

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>>383177819
>complains about normies not playing strategy games
>posts the quintessential normie RTS

>>383219543
what game?

is this the one that has minor factions all over the map to control and an etheral like lady ghost thingy?

The biggest problem is lack of base building and forcing the game to progress too quickly. Most ppl want to build their base up and be proud of it.

>>383226640

This is why Tiberian Sun > everyother RTS, nothing like building up a fucking beautiful base and watching it fend off the wave spam.

>>383211543
Main issue is which games we should actually play, these threads have people who like a lot of different games, so it's kinda hard to get to a consensus as to what to play.

Right now i have
>SCBW & SC2 LOTV
>Battlerealms
>heroes of anihilated empires
>sacrifice
>spellforce 1 & 2
>emperor battle of dune
>dawn of war 1 (i uninstalled 2 cause of space constraints)
>LOTR BFME ROTWK2
>Warcraft 3
>empire at war
>original war
>sins of a solar empire
>ground control 1&2
>seven kingdoms 2

If anyone wants to play any of those let me know i'm not in any way skilled so i aim for a fun match not a full on competitive one

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RTS thread?

How come more games didn't utilize an AoE-style tech tree of various passive civ bonuses and blocking off certain technologies?

>>383226983
Agreed. The original was hella fun with my mates as we played : no engineers, no commandos and 15 min no rush.

Why do modern games try so fucking hard to not let me play things like I want to

>>383227126
I'd be down for a sins game bro

>>383227189
C&C Generals ZH

>>383227189

It's mostly good for a game where you want a large number of civs/factions with fairly modest differences between them. Most RTS prefer a smaller number of civs/factions with more significant differences. Also, a lot of games that do have stuff like that go for more modular choose-your-own-perks systems, like Empire Earth.

>>383227189
>Filename
Because it's a PNG you fucking donkey.

>>383227126
also, would it be a good idea to make a steam group or something for it? just so planning games is easier.

>>383227276
i'll probably be free most of sunday afternoon.

>>383177819
i played the shit out of this and rome total war and some sim city from age like 8 to 13 and i lost my virginity at 15 or 16

>>383179892
>assfaggots
>strategy
lmaoing @ your life

>>383179508
we will grow larger

>>383227189
What RTS games have area of effect archers? Or just musketeers etc.

Always bugged me that I'd make dozens of longbowmen but they'd all shoot the same enemy one at a time.

Am I the only one who autistically made huge battles and sieges by force attacking ground with artillery units, even if it misses? I wanted to make a cool warzone feel whenever I attacked the enemy base, so some would hit and others would miss. They would fire either on intervals or one at a time, but never all at once. I hated how precise all the units were in games like RA2.

I would also place my units in base as if they were on display.

>>383227583

Well, AoE2 has ranged units with less-than-perfect accuracy, though some civs have units or techs that always hit. There's also a difference between attacks that lead moving targets and those that don't. Also there's siege weapons with arcs and longer travel times.

I played thru C&C and RA the other day and was taken aback at just how fun and light-hearted the games are. I had just as much fun as 32yo me as I did as 12yo me. Modern games for the most part truly are soulless and I can't quite put my finger on what it is

>>383227398
Works for me. Names Agreed if you want ti hit me up

>>383227336
That's true, some of them made compromises off the base faction for their own benefits which I thought was a nice twist on the usual three unique factions RTS likes doing. After looking at TCRF I really wish ZH wasn't rushed as fuck though.

>>383227387
I thought it would be much smaller given the color range, GZDoom screens by comparison are comparatively tiny PNGs. Oh well.

>>383227583
Technically the Longbowmen in AoE II don't have perfect accuracy and they can never get Thumb Ring which is pretty much the balancing factor memers forget since it also has a firing rate bonus, so it's possible for arrows to hit another target. Also if you focus down on a TC and if there are units over the walkable part with the veranda, they can get damaged too.

Hand Cannoneers are not accurate as well and don't get Ballistics unless you're Portuguese from the kangs expansion so they could hit another moving unit instead, and Scorpions/Ballista Elephants/Caravel fire through massed units as their gimmick. And who can forget Mangonels and Onagers? Squashing archers with them is fun.

>>383228113
Portuguese are so funny in AoE II. they're really good in huge free for alls because you can just build a bunch of the Feitorias and turtle for eternity until everyone runs out of resources.

Wargame is the peak of modern RTS games.

>>383228107
Are you the guy with the megumin pic if so let me know also good choice.

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>>383229038
Yes

>>383177819
But there are tons of shitty 4x strategy games out there.

>>383179919
Come on, we are talking about C&C games here, not Aurora 4x.

>>383228594
Feitorias are still quite situational, though. In a long game market trade + farming and woodcutting is still very efficient in pop space, in team games you also have trade routes too, though I guess you can't exactly have a bunch of Hussar raid and take out a Feitoria as easily as a bunch of unsupervised villagers and carts. Guess it all depends on the map, game mode, and how reasonable your opponents are at resigning.

Arquebus pre-nerf mind you though was fucking hilarious since it used to affect BBC and BBT projectile speeds, but they removed those. Portuguese are still a fun Gunpowder civ, but I'll miss those.

>>383177819
They did. Command and Conquer is to the 90s what call of duty is today.

>>383228113
The image has a small colour range but the background has next to no solid colour areas; everything changes fairly significantly on almost every pixel in that parchment texture.

Can someone post the wojak with the C&C goggles please

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>>383230062

>>383228095
Video games were commercialized. I'm not one of those kids who scream about capitalism however, once something is commercialized it loses a lot of its creative value as it is no longer a labour of love. It's a factor of why I am against paid mods. Same shit will occur. Now to say this has occured to everything is silly, lots of people still care about games, but its more so the fault of the publisher. This can be seen in a recent example of Metal gear solid: The Phantom Pain and how it was rushed and wasn't allowed to be finished. The product avaliable is amazing but could have been improved upon so much more, and that is a fault with the publisher and allowing vidya to be commercialized.

>>383229894
I remember first time I saw Red Alert, it was on my friends PS1. Those were some different times

>>383230128
Thanks chief

Cuz give them headaches

>>383189481
>>383198579

just got CoH2
how git gud?

Micro isn't fun and if you can't micro you basically might as well throw out 95% of RTS games.

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>>383180319
>tfw nerd arab kids that played the game all now grown up and become isis
>gla is real now but your waifu will never be

>>383230820
They get waifus for joining ISIS too.

>>383230971
They get 72 male virgins, not waifus.

>>383230971
Goats don't count

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Claim you're rts waifu

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>>383231713
>yfw you find her porn.

>>383212987
Sins is a mess. The game was solved so thoroughly competitive multiplayer was of the 'one mistake and you're out' variety, and the balance was so consistently retarded over all patches and all version I have had a custom balance mod for LANning with friends ever since 1.1 of the first game. Hell, we're still using that mod NOW, updated for Rebellion 1.84. And it's still considered a wip because Ironclad manages to somehow shit the bed with every single patch.

>>383230971
But when they die they have to fuck 72 fat American suburbanites.

Arab here

I could only play the GLA, I'd get steamrolled as USA or China but give me the GLA and it turns into a sprawling map wide insurgency that lasts for hours

>>383191895
>Night elves purple
>Undead teal
>Orcs blue
>Humans red
ONE JOB!

>ywn talk to normie randos about rts games again

I miss the starcraft 2 release.

>>383230667
I think you're confusing micro and macro.

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>your face when the Age of Empire announcement turned out to be a remaster of the first

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is it done yuri?

>>383233257
Lol.
I don't think casuals care about how "solved" something is. And they certainly don't care about rando custom mods.
Also, I've never had a problem with any of the patches.
Source: Being a casual Sins player who doesn't sperg out about build orders and "balance", and just plays for fun.

Sins might be lacking for you, because you are a huge autist who is incapable of enjoying anything that does not conform to whatever niche you have decidied is the only one true way to do >thing<.

>>383234515
Technically doesn't matter.
>Starcraft. Micro as hell. Tedious and not fun.
>MoO3. Macro as hell. Tedious and not fun.

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>>383235289
>it's windows store only

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>>383235357
No Comrade Premier, it has only just begun.

>>383235543
That wasn't attacking a strawman, that was ethnic cleansing of the strawpeople.

>>383177819
The problem is try hards ruin the fun and get an ego about it. It nolonger becomes about fun and there isn't an addictive enough reward scheme to keep people playing like in shooters.

RTS games are too "gamey". And something about isometric views just make casual gamers turn a 180.

>>383227583
I feel you. I have played few games that do this - Dark Omen and Total War.

>>383236461
>games
>too gamey
Really make me go hmm...

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>>383177819
I just want a good City Builder with recollection and shit like The Settlers.

>>383226364
rising kingdoms

yes

>want to play my old RTS games like RA, RA2 and so on
>don't work properly on modern pcs

Fuck this shit.

>>383234325
>what is Stromgarde nation
>what is Stormreaver clan

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>383236105
>A says a thing
>B doesn't like thing
>B has no argument against thing
>B declares A's thing to be a strawman
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Got to stop all these "normis" having unapproved fun, right?

I hate how most strategy games are on a small map. While its understandable for old games because of hardware restriction just imagine the untapped potential nowdays.

Huge maps where you can have kilometers of frontline warfare, the ability to truly attack from multiple locations in a manner where you can just casually shift forces between fronts but it actually takes considerable effort and planning to keep your all potential attack vectors defended.

Urban warfare maps which truly feel like a dense city rather than a collection of a few buildings, with dozens and even hundreds of ambush locations, choke points across the city.

Games where long range weapons actually matter, because you cant realistically just tell your infantry to rush to that artillery position/airbase and take them out when they're dozens of kilometers away.

Games where naval power can actually matter, where naval invasions are more then a hop across a river.

Games where you can have a variety of territory, from the sea, through the coast and up into the mountains.

The only games that comes to mind is SupCom, and it has zero urban warfare.

>>383237738
>makes a retarded post
>gets so buttblasted by reply that he fails to quote properly
>but still has time to attach a reaction image
>types like a 12 year old
For your sake I'll assume you were trying to troll me.

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>>383231030
that makes it better

>>383238140
>Wargame

>>383177819

I love C&C generals

>>383237241

ra2 works great i have the origin verison fromt heo ld bundle

>>383238140

play supreme command- oh you already mentioned it

well, uh, shit.

sins of a solar empire (kek)

or maybe even.
maybe even.
total annihilation

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>installation screens will never send a seal team to your house anymore

>>383177819
>>383179663
>>383180319
>>383186312
I fucking love C&C Generals my favorite game as a kid. Still sometimes play a game or two with friends

>>383238978
the ra2 installation was fucking amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjPls9YGcI

>>383182712
Might be able to. The canceled Generals 2 made them recruit from across the world so it was a mixed race faction. Unless them being middle eastern is important to you.

>>383230582
don't ask me, I seem to get worse the more I play

for single player campaigns i fucking adored Blitzkrieg 1

from Finnish war and invasion of poland all the way to the end of the war you had shit tons of missions and an incredible variety of units from the earliest tanks to railway artillery and trains

unfortunately I cant enjoy it when I revisit it

>>383236930
>You will never be this comfy

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>>383238430
I never actually tried it. I dont really connect to the tactical deck building game, I'd rather have base building and economy. And based on the videos I saw, it has no naval and the urban warfare was meh.

>>383238520
>sins of a solar empire
If you're gonna insult me atleast post other Total Annihilation inspired games like Planetary Annihilation:Titans and shes of the Singularity rather than that garbage

>>383240331
>it has no naval
Literally the biggest selling point of Red Dragom

>urban warfare was meh
Actual Meaning full urban Areas and better urban combat than 90% of all strategy games released

>I'd rather have base building and economy
Aye, too bad. It's exactly what you described in your post except for the basebuilding. So you're looking for a more arcade approach to the genre?

>>383197016
Simcity Buildit is pure android kino boy.

>>383240331
They added naval in Red Dragon but it was shit.

It was (at least when I played it at release) spam missiles and which ever team ran out of ammo for their defense systems first lost.

Ya My feelings are exactly the same as yours. I fuckign detested the deck building, everything about the way it was designed.

>>383177819
Boring shit for boring nerds.

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>>383224430
>be 19
Im spooked. Planning on going into Law school in Toronto after my bachelor's in Polisci, i'm comfortable with my grades but am afraid that some random shit will just blow my plans away.

>>383177819
Too hard for them.

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>>383177819
>why won't normis play strategy games?
Excuse me?

>>383241050
>Total War: Warhammer
>RTS
>Strategy
lmao

>>383226640
I agree
When I play in AOE2 I want to build a pretty fort before unleashing my army against the enemy

>>383240592
>Literally the biggest selling point of Red Dragom
well, all the videos I saw were ground battles and there was no naval support what so ever.

>Actual Meaning full urban Areas and better urban combat than 90% of all strategy games released
I didnt delve too deeply, I saw 2-3 replays on youtube and they both had fairly sparse "urban" areas and there werent any ambushes or choke holds. it seemed like a basic garrison that block for better defense. But again, only saw a few replays and didnt delve any deeper so I might gotten the wrong impression.

>So you're looking for a more arcade approach to the genre?
I suppose so. Something like Supreme Commander, or CoH. I'd even be ok if its something like buy reinforcements that appear in the corner of the map. I just dont like the deck building part and being stuck with the cards I was dealt. Warfare is dynamic and you need to be able to call in what troops you need when you need em rather than depend on some deck.

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>>383180319
im hungry

ow! ok ok i will work..

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>>383241091
>a combination of TBS and RTS is somehow not strategy

>>383177819
My APM is shit and I miss my injects too much to be good

>>383238140
What about Cossacks then

>>383241201
>buy reinforcements
But that's how Wargame works?

>>383241339
I think he means that you can always can in whatever unit you need until the game ends.

Wargame you are limited by the number of those particular units in your deck, assuming you even brought any of said unit along.

Example. When playing CoH, if im fighting a long and brutal war, losing an AT gun isnt a big deal because I can buy another. The game keeps going into I take that vital location or I completely pulverize the enemy's base.

In wargame, if your deck design is slightly lacking in AT and you lose your few AT pieces, it doesnt matter how much map control you have or resources in the bank, you will be powerless to defeat the enemy.

Wargame doesnt give the player a chance to change a player's strategy on the fly to counter an opponent who uses a strategy they were not expecting.

It can be alienating for some players, I know its the reason I hate it. It feels like no matter how i build my deck, im always lacking somewhere key.

>>383241331
I generally prefer WW2 or later era games, but I did like the old Cossack games, I'll give Cossacks 3 a shot.

still theres no way it can have the things I mentioned in >>383238140

>>383241339
Correct me if I am wrong, but you buy it from the deck you predefined dont you? thats how I understood it and thats why I dont like it. I hate deck building.

>>383177819
Except they do
See: Any modern Total War, EUIV, HOI4

>>383197016
>strategically enter your credit card information
New and innovative.

>>383241325
It's a TBS/RTT thing with the TBS part being very average.

>>383242468
>RTT
No such thing.

>>383187312
>was
It's still being updated in fucking 2017 m8

>>383236930
iseeyouareamanofcultureaswell.jpg

>>383177819
Elitism

Duh

>>383223683
Pretty much this.

Trying to learn viable strategies is almost always ruined because "Rush X" is always the best way to put someone on a back footing they can never recover from.

It's not fun to be constantly demoralized by the same bullshit tactic. It's also not fun to learn said tactic and constantly be forced into playing the game one way everytime to overcome said tactic.

That and RTS's tend to be overpriced resource hogs that lose their appeal after you beat the campaign.

Battle Realms, baby. I don't know why it's not on Steam.

>>383207080
>>383208635
Oh. I remember as a kid getting this as a birthday gift from my parents who had no idea what they were buying and it turned out to be serious tons of fun.
I always used to play it with my cousin on lan too. Brings me lots of memories.
I've been trying to remember what the game was called for a long time. Thanks for reminding me.

Because when they switched to 3D everything looks bland and boring and like shit.

Which rts have the best single player campaigns?

>>383244235
DoW 2 will forever remain GOAT.

>>383244235
Starcraft & Command and Conquer have the best production Value.

>>383244235
C&C RA n Tiberium
WC 3
Dune series
Earth 2150

>>383177819
>normis
>>>/r9k/

>>383197404

wtf are u doing anon, go right ahead with red alert 2 and expansion

and you can try tiberium wars with expansion too

these are the best cnc titles

>>383177819
How you want the match to play out:
>"I'm gonna hit him with ______ and if he reacts with ______, then I'll build ________ and follow up with ______ when he tries to counter me with ______."

How it actually plays out:
>"Fuck I forgot to build ________ at exactly 5 minutes. Guess I lose. Yup, he's rushing me with _______. I lose."
>"That game sucked, lets try another one and I'll play faction _______. It's better for when I get rushed by ______."
>Faction _______ loses to the same rush tactic, only slower and more painfully because you didn't have perfect micro skills
>"GG noob."

And that's why most people avoid RTS MP like the plague.

>>383191895
Warcraft killed the rts genre

>>383220316
>somebody revived massgate
Wot.
NICE!
Fucking hell why did ubishit buy Massive the dudes were so good at making RTT and kickass game engines.

>>383244235
Perimeter/almost ever CnC/Ground Control 2/DoW1/WA/DC/DoW2?

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>>383244557
This is depressingly right on the money.
I respect RTS games and the people that play them. I wish I could find the motivation, but the time table margins are razor thin and I just can't get a feeling that I'm progressing as a player when I play. In fact that's the biggest problem I have of all. I have never once achieved a conventional victory in Supreme Commander. I always get sneaky tactical snipes purely by keeping the heat off the enemy commander so that they don't feel compelled to keep tabs on him.
A completely valid way to win? Sure.
But I'm always, ALWAYS losing those battles and only winning due to their ignorance.

>>383177819
they be hard

>>383245601
>I have never once achieved a conventional victory in Supreme Commander.
Sniping the ACU is THE way of victory in SupCom.

>>383230582
Dont play brits, usf, or t2 soviets (back tech after t3)
Play okw fortification or spec ops and wehr with op commanders if you want brain dead easy wins

>>383191895
It's IV you literal plebeian philistine.

But they do. I remember us playing Age of Empires 2 lots in school even though we had absolutely no idea wtf to do.

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>>383245740
No anon I'm talking about a tac snipe.
Wherein I build a small battery of 4 or so tac launchers within the very farthest limit of their range from where I know their comm is.

I once had this crazy match on Bermuda Locket. He had an army steam rolling over my base from one end but I was barely hanging onto the Western front. I flew a large group of Stingers into his base to get a bead on his comm and sent them on a suicide run towards his navy just to keep the heat off of his comm so he wouldn't move it.
Mine barely held out alone with HEAVY amounts of Overcharging until I was able to fire my missiles at the fog of war where I hoped his commander was still standing (no radar up).
I'd be lying if I said the salt explosion in the chat was a real treat as that random spot in the fog of war cooked off.

Part of me wants to get back into SupCom again, but I'm hung up on some personal reasons not to and don't really know where I would start or who I would go to for training if I did.

>>383219543
the game could be much better without the retarded low unit cap

>>383244235
Starcraft 2 has the best campaign, production value wise. It also has the best meta stuff (outside of missions) and its variety of missions is unparalleled.

Its story is complete shit.

Inb4 the hurr durrs. I played every rts and started in the 90´s.

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>>383245838
I think it's the kind of RTS that has something for everyone, and is also easy to run on computers.

>World in COnflict not available anymore on Steam
guess I'll pirate it

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how about some alternate history nazi mechs?

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>>383231713

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>>383236930
>settlers without roads
kys senpai

>>383234325
>autism

KIROV REPORTING

>>383231713

>>383237241
Yes they do.

>>383244235
Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge. Mental Omega missions are good too.

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>>383231713
>>383246463
F

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how about some strategic fantasy?

also, how great is this theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqZFvDhApHI

What's the arts that allows you to have hero characters with equipment and or veteran units that you can carry to later missions?
Like warcraft and warlords battlecry.

>>383177819
They do its just a stratgey game where the objective is to get the girl you want to fuck to drop her pants /v will never understand this and will call it a shit game

>>383247225
DoW Dark Crusade and Soulstorm, but neither of them have a real campaign, just a braindead RISK mode (i.e. skirmishes with said upgradeable hero and veteran units).
Homeworld games make you transition your whole fleet and all resources to the next mission (giving you the possibility of fucking up the entire campaign by losing too much and making the tougher missions unwinnable).

>>383247372
I like that the bases you build persist.

>>383213365
Those big teamgames are just a mess.

>>383247225
>>383247372
Dawn of War II's campaign is entirely focused around levelling up and equipping gear onto your heroes, but it plays more like an action-RPG than 'RTS'.

>>383246460
that's one shit mech

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>soundtrack by Frank Klepacki

>>383213432
>you will never get captured and taken to an unknown bunker somewhere deep in china after losing to her
>you will never get woken up by her riding your dick

>>383227583
battle for middle earth has squads so archers will just pepper a squad with arrows. Also in AOE2 you shouldnt focusfire, you should use attack move/patrol so archers will fire at different enemies. This is way more efficient

>>383223046

On the site m8, its free