Six years ago this anon was considered a shitposter, and now?

He's right, though. Add in "comfy" as well, since it's an equally useless term when describing a game's merits. If you can't explain why a game's good apart from an extremely subjective word like "fun" then you probably have some pretty shitty taste to begin with.

>>382485447
Fun is subjective and usually a given in videoGAMEs. It being used as a buzzword when people don't have anything else to praise the game for (mechanics, gameplay, graphics, community, etc.) is correct.

Redditors started coming here.

They're all autistic and don't actually know what irony is.

how did you get a screencap from 2011?

Fun is the result of a good game, not the cause.

>>382485447
If all you can say about a game is that it's fun then your opinion means nothing

>>382485721
This. Redditors unironically think Fun is a buzzword. And they think comfy is one too.

>>382485447
As video games became more and more mainstream, faggots with no life who post here felt the need to go further and beyond, to reafirm themselves as something more than humas waste, so they became hipsters of vidya, they try and disect every videogame using "big" words they learnt from reading indie devs journals and gaming media, in the process they forgot about actually playing and ejoying video games for what they are.

fun is subjective but many people nowadays believe that just because a game looks just like a movie it's artsy, emotional and smart and the peak in videogames when they're mostly OK games with trailers that catter to dumbasses, when games that focus on gameplay are primitive and dumb.

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>six years ago

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He was onto something at the time that I hadn't realized yet. But I don't think he had fully pieced together the puzzle. Games aren't meant for fun. People who make games with that mentality wind up making shitty games that appeal to a broad spectrum of people like idiots and moviegoers. Games are about challenge first and foremost. They are meant to place obstacles in the way of the player's path that they must overcome. If you don't realize that, you'll wind up making a shitty game too.

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>>382485447
Why can't fun games coexist with competitive/kino games? Is it that hard of a concept to grasp?

>>382485765
What in the fuck I was there and I'm sure it wasn't that long ago

>>382485447

Is it? There is a big difference between fun and satisfaction. I play platformers and arena shooters for fun. I play Angband and NetHack for the satisfaction. Immersion could be considered a buzzword if you're going to that route.

>>382485875
fucking this
redditors get the fuck out

>>382486128
Do you really expect people to take you seriously when all you can say about your favorite game is that it's fun?

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>>382485447
>What happened?

fun is as valid as saying boring, they're arbitrary words to use when unable to articulate a better explanation

>>382485875
but fun is a useless term
Sure nobody can deny that you enjoy a game and have fun with it
But fun is subjective and should not be used when explaining a games strengths

who gives a fuck it's just video games...

go get a gf or read a book or something, good god op

>>382485980
>le reddit tier show

Kill yourself.

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>>382486060
>games aren't meant for fun

>>382485447
buzzword means trendy word and fun is really far from being a trendy word, so that part of his post was ofcourse retarded

but he's ofcurse right that "fun" is useless as a descriptive word, same with comfy

>>382485661
Fuck off >>104387539

>>382486513
>He said an opinion that challenges my brainlet!
>"You're b-b-b-bait! You must be!"

/v/ is proof of pretending to be retarded long enough will only attract actual retards who take over, and the community becomes actaully retarded.

>>382486513
Having FUN with those horror games yet?

>>382486440

kill yourself

>>382486692
Yeah, I am. Resident Evil 4 is my favorite game.

>>382486676
Goobergate and the 2016 election attracted a bunch of shitposters trying to shoehorn politics into everything as well, which didn't help.

>>382486817
Either you don't know what fun means, or you are a psychopath.

>>382486294
But that was originally said by Ben franklin

>>382486440
Pretty much everything is subjective. I could say Windwaker had good story, artstyle and ost, it wouldn't be less subjective than calling it fun.

>>382486915
Don't you believe a game can be both scary and fun? RE4 does both and it's great.

>>382485661
Nope, you're just an autist with no finesse with language. Fun as a description is usually used to describe a specific more simplistic fun you might get from just killing alot of enemies or collecting a lot of powerups. It's not really used for a more story heavy game like Planescape, even if you enjoy that kind of game the most. And comfy describes a certain feeling evoked through atmosphere. If you don't understand that feeling, that's on you.

Isn't it a case of what anon said last night?

"The mentally ill who derive pleasure from tackling challenges; that's what gamers are"?

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>>382485447
Fappening -> Media attention -> Reddit invasion
And it's not over, the election cycle made things worse

>>382485887
But game mechanics are subjective
Some people think RTS is shit while others think it's good

Who's defacto right here? Neither since it's a subjective opinion

>>382486470
Not even that anon, but I'm no old fag (cancer 07 here) but jesus Christ I've been called a redditor more the past uear by posting rational commentary, or trying to have a discussion or heaven forbid use a reaction image from something reddit may have seen

Also here is something to trigger you.

I'm using the enter key.

But muh muh reddit spaciiiiing

Cry more faggot.

>>382487312
The fact that you need to get so butthurt is rather funny

>>382487312
>claims to be from 07 but doesnt understand why people hate reddit
yeah, nah, you are an obvious newfag. before reddit, it was ebaums. before ebaums, it was gaia. before gaia, it was newgrounds. 4chan has always has a scapegoat.

>>382487312
>Reddit spacing
>Wonders why he's called a redditor

You know where you belong.

>>382487312
Contrarians are a fucking disease on this site. People getting pissy about Rick and Morty reaction images is a new fucking low. Even if you don't like the show, who gives a shit? It's a reaction image.

>>382487312
>reddit spacing
I wonder why people call you out

>>382485661
Your post is shit.

>>382485447
He's right in a sense. If you say you like a game because you have fun with it, that's perfectly fine, but if you're trying to argue whether or not a game is objectively good, you can't just say it's fun, you have to say why it's fun.

>>382487124
Not him, but fun is a subjective term. Some would say that Tetris is fun, but others may feel that it's a repetitive bore. To say that fun relates to simplistic game styles is opinionated. I thought P5 was a fun game, but I wouldn't use that to describe it to someone who isn't well acquainted with JRPGs. Instead I would describe strong features of the game that I liked in order to persuade others to give it a shot.

>>382487312
The worst is the GET BACK TO /POL/ posting

Its not even anything extreme, just really mild stuff these days and people will seem to get upset over it.

I mean what happened?

If you can't describe in detail why you think a game is good the same way you do for why you think it's bad without resorting to meaningless fluff like "BUH FUN", you shouldn't be discussing it here to begin with

>>382487694
yeah, no one ever told retarded people to go back to a board that's home for retards

>>382487684
You're missing the point. When someone used the term "fun" specifically as a description, that's usually because they're describing a more hectic and simplistic game. Doesn't mean you'll have fun if you don't like that kind of thing.

>>382486513
challenge IS fun

>>382487932
Go back to /vp/ cupcake.

>>382487694
Nobody wants people moaning about jews and Trump when they just wanna talk about videogames.

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>>382485661

>>382488062
>>>/b/

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>>382487187
Woah

>>382488115
then they should pick one of the literal millions of other video game websites to go to instead of insisting this one specific one cater to their tastes, when it has operated an entirely different way for 14 years now

>>382485447
>Hey /v/ I was just thinking of buying this game, give me some reasons why I should.
>It's fun XD
>It's comfy XD

>>382488041
Nobody said it wasn't. But you realize that all fun games have challenge, so obviously it's only natural to add challenge to make a fun game.

>>382488204
Or maybe you're the one that needs to either stay on subject or fuck off?

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>>382488115
>god activision are a bunch of fucking kikes
>WOOOOOOOOOW GO BACK TO POLE

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>>382488309

>>382486848
This post is extremely ironic

>>382487408
Not even butthurt its just hilarious how triggered people get when you dare to do something they don't think is the norm, like use the enter key. Like these triggered faggots
>>382487539
>>382487619

Look how triggered they are because I dared to use the enter key. Fun fact not every post on this website is always a huge run on sentence block of text.

>>382487454
I fully understand why people hate reddit, where did I make any statement saying I don't understand why people hate it. I don't understand the GO BACK TO Redit bullshit for posting a reaction image, especially when it's appropriate. It's not like telling people to go back to gaia or to lurk more for avatarfagging or *walks in room*

>>382487559
Agreed.

>>382487694
Like most things on the fucking site anymore I assume it was just false flagging / trolling that people eventually took to heart. Like a very vocal majority of people here suddenly being fundamentalist Christians.

>>382488362
We aren't outsiders, dummy. You are.

>>382488379
>responds to more than 1 person at a time
>reddit spacing
Lurk moar newfag.

>>382488379
This has to be a falseflag

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>>382488447
>one of the founders of the website from #raspberryheaven
>somehow this makes me an outsider

>>382488379
The only getting triggered is you faggot.

>>382488362
you are the one bringing politics into videogames and you are complaining about outsiders?

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>>382488379
>pay attention to me!
Really you're just an attention whore.

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>>382485447

An eternal September of sorts. Basically newfags not lurking, parroting dumb shit, outsiders and other newfags adopt this retarded behavior, flooding boards, and everyone thinks it's part of the etiquette while the old users are driven out. Irony and cynicism is big now as well since people need safety nets.

>>382488540
That's cool, bro. But you're in the wrong part of it.
>>>/pol/

I'm 24. Played vidya since I was 6. On 4chan since 2006.

I legitimately only play games that are fun or comfy.

Come at me, roodipoos.

>>382488586
>bringing politics into video games
you mean the way it's been since /v/ was created in 2004? :wow: :whoa:

>>382488362
>trying to
/pol/ already did that and to be honest other groups did that before them. This site is not anything like it was 10 years ago.

>>382485447
it was that long ago?
fuck i am a waste of oxygen

>>382487995
Again, "fun" cannot be used to objectively describe a game. All games are entertaining to different audiences hence the argument as to whether or not "fun" can accurately describe a game.

To specifically target your point of "fun" being used to describe games that are "hectic and simplistic," this would hold some merit if the general population favored these games over others. However, everyone will have their own definition of a "fun" game given the number of different archetypes. Likewise, the definition of a "fun" game is altered based upon an individual's current emotional status as well as age. Those who are stressed may claim that fun games are like you said: simplistic and hectic games that make the player feel like an unstoppable force. Those who are living a low-stress life may instead claim that slow, challenging games are fun given the consequences of their in game actions providing high risk high reward feelings of satisfaction. Age is also a major factor; younger individuals may have a preference toward games that require an acute attention to detail and fast reaction speeds in order to experience that rush of adrenaline. Older audiences may prefer strategic games that are not as reaction-heavy and instead rely on the player using their mind to make well-thought decisions that give them the advantage.

Tl;dr I understand what you're saying, but "fun" games are based entirely upon who is asked.

>>382489457
Again, no finesse with language. Not everything is literal.

>>382488908
Good bait

>>382489735
>bait
lol, bix nood and all of a. wyatt mann's comics were first discovered on /v/ in 2004. you can't just label facts you were unaware of "bait"

>>382489881
Nice Baitto

>>382488675
>implying 4chan wasn't always cynical

>>382487408
But this is excactly what he meant you dumb nigger, whenever someone gives a rather extensive explanation to someone iliterate opinion they go and call him whatever maymays>>382487408
But this is excactly what he meant you dumb nigger, whenever someone gives a rather extensive explanation to someone iliterate opinion they go and call him whatever maymays the good hivemind teach them to defend themselves. (I.E, leedit, butthurt, baited, autist)

Only accepted post here are 5 to 10 words short, stupid, or memefied. the good hivemind teach them to defend themselves.

>>382490082
You have to go back.

>>382490081
Not really, no. People really try hard to impose their modern 4chan outlook on 4chan from 13 years ago.

>>382490221
so do you

>>382485447
He's right.

>b-b-b-but I had fun

Laziest fucking shit ever, the least you can do is explain why you liked a game, what the strengths of the game are, why the mechanics worked, etc. Just calling something "fun" is meaningless. And people who use "fun" as an argument are the type who desire circlejerks instead of real discussions, where games are not allowed to be criticized period.

>>382486915
Don't lash out on people with enough brain capacity to differentiate between fantasy violence and actual violence and act accordingly. IT IS fun to shoot people on vidya while running away from angry mobs and mutants.

>>382490346
?

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>>382490304
nailed it

>>382490392
Discussion and criticism are not mandatory, take it or leave it.

>>382489732
I didn't mean to come off that way, nonny. I'm just trying to add my reasoning to the thread to help support further discussion of the topic.

Honestly, I dig mindless shooters, but I also like a lot of different games so it's not too hard to please me

>>382490304
Because 4chan by it's nature feels like an outsider compared to the rest of the "mainstream" internet. /b/ back when it was the most popular board was the forerunner of this contrarian attitude we see today.

>>382491401
4chan is pretty similar to most of the internet at this point.

>>382487312
You should know better than to post some dumb fucking cartoon outside of /co/

You dumbshit.

>>382485447
4chan became known to the public and /v/ became soft.

It's not about nostalgia. It's about knowing about classic games and playing them.

>>382490423
>IT IS fun
No it isn't. Prove me wrong.

>>382491707

Go check any yt video comments and take a shot every time you see some crossover or a tard attempting greentext. Most threads read like those now. Those people post and feel welcome here now.

>>382492076
No, beacuse proving faggots wrong doesn't trigger any kind of chemical reward for my brain, playing video games does, that's why their fun.

Someone post the screencap of Kermit getting pissed and going off about how /v/ is shit now because no one wants to admit they have fun playing games anymore.

>>382493092
It was more about how people mindlessly parrot what others say in an attempt to fit in.

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>>382493092
I was in that thread if this is what you mean

>>382485447
>Why's the game good
>its comfy and fun
>Whoa

>>382493294
But you know the one I'm talking about, right? I think the rant starts with "And what the fuck is wrong with that, exactly?".

>>382493294
and that's why we cant have "fun" anymore people feel they need to fit in on /v/ of all places

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>>382493452
>>382493092

>2016 screencap
>LMAO I WAS THERE

good for you, newfaggos.
the screenshot is embarassing, by the way.

I'm having fun playing video games. What you faggots gonna do about it?

>>382493452
and mods will delete your thread and ban you for complaining about how bad /v/ is.

They'll say "oh just make a new thread on /q/" -- like anyone will actually read that shit.

/v/ is beyond redemption at this point. all us oldfags will die out and leave for good.

>>382493575
Chill buddy, it just means I have the screencap from another anon there. I lost my old shitty laptop that had thousands of screencaps from all the way back to pictochat DS at gamestop.

>>382493736

>2016 screencap
>hurr durr we oldfags

kill yourself you cancer

meta threads are allowed, you can make one right now and complain ALL you want.

>>382493782

Then you should be familiar with my tone.
Isn't it better to see someone calling you out for possible newfaggotry like that than seeing another normalfaggot post on this shit-board?

It's good for the board.
We need to do it more often, again. This site used to be 80% calling out faggotry and newfags and normalfags

This place fucking blows and it always fucking blew. I quit, goodbye /v/.

>>382494157

nvm I'm back.

>>382493832
meta threads are NOT allowed.

everything has to be about video games. you're not allowed to talk about how things can be run here. only mods can make sticky threads on special occasions.

all non-topic discussion must go on other boards.

also, how am i fucking cancer for trying to fix this piece of shit board? fuck you faggot. what are you trying to do? get willingly raped by how e-celeb cancer and every other gimmicky cash-grab circlejerk indoctrination? go right ahead.

>>382493976
All I wish is for people to lurk, no one fucking lurks anymore. It's not even just for here, any sensible person lurks for some time to ascertain the community and not make a fucking retard out of themselves. But now? No. People see screencaps of stuff that they think is "4chan being funny" and assume the whole board is like that, then jump in and try and act like the idiots in those screencaps.
You can't cure cancer anon. Not at this stage.

>>382488289
You might want to filter those words if the trigger you so bad

>>382494542
You didn't address what I was saying at all and just went for a strawman. I think you're the one who's emotionally compromised.

>>382486470
rick and morty is the only good show in AS.

>>382494389
Sure you can. The first step is deleting /pol/.

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>>382493575
>for the intelligent who had fun pretending to be retarded once in a while
People don't actually believe this, right?

>>382485661
feel free to kill yourself anytime

>>382494389

I know, man.
I just cling to the old-days, frantically...

>>382493575
>tfw I just like videogames

While everything on that screencap is true, and this board has gone to shit, I actually feel sad for people like you whose whole life was based around this community, for people like me, posting here on this day and age, is like a child having fun poking the corpse of a dead animal, not crying over a dead relative.

>>382485661
>This brainlet can't grasp what comfy means

>>382485447
Language is dead.

We should really only communicate in numbers. Reviewers are just retards that can't say a game is fundamentally good through numerals.

>>382495146

This was the case.
Unironically and serious.
4chan used to be a place for outcasts, hell, we voluntarely spread CP around the internet just for fun.

Nowadays 4chan gets outraged at pedophilia, lol. That just goes to show how much this place changed.

>>382495251
>for people like me, posting here on this day and age, is like a child having fun poking the corpse of a dead animal, not crying over a dead relative.

I don't really lurk this board. I never lurked it.
I feel sad for the old /v/irgins, too.

I came to /b/ in 2006 and stayed at /int/ and /k/ from 2010 on. Less cancer.

>>382493575
The year /v/ went to shit keeps moving up. Back in 2008 when I joined, I saw threads saying 2007 was when /v/ went to shit. 5 years from now, 2017 will be considered the shit year.

>>382495571

Because it gradually got shittier every year, and in each year we couldn't fathom 4chan getting more flooded with newfags and shittier, but it did.

It's pretty logical.
reddit-invasion killed this board, though.

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>7 years ago /v/
>be me, cute boipucci femboi
>/v/ loved traps
>now
>everyone calls it degeneracy and that I'm mentally ill
Is it all because SJWs tried to meddle with video games

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>>382495571
Cancer always exists at any given time, it just takes different forms throughout the years. It's just another thing nostalgiafags have deluded themselves into believing in an attempt to rationalize the fact that things change while they've stagnated.
The Cancer that "killed" this board is Reddit, while in /r9k/ it's traps and gay people. /gif/ it's blackshit and /co/ it's Tumblr, and for all of the above and anything in between, it's /pol/.
No matter what board, there's always something they blame all their problems on. Never do they once realize that these boards have always been shitty in their own unique ways, it's just the the garbage they're the most use to was something the actually enjoyed and it's been steadily replaced with something else over time.
Hell, this faggot proves my point>>382495345. He's actually saddened that 4chan doesn't have constant childporn spammed onto /b/ because it was something done in the old days.

>>382496118
yeah im sure you are cute and not just some skeleton

>>382489457
99% of discussions of games aren't objective to begin with. Objective descriptions of it would be along the lines of 'it's a platformer' it's an 'rpg', 'it uses this engine or has this plot'. What everyone cares about is the subjective (whether or not the game is enjoyable).

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>>382496256
I'm reminded of a second point now that I think about. A vast majority of oldfags at this point were quite literally underaged when they browsed these boards a decade ago. Imagine, 13 and 14 year olds growing up a 4chan, eventually becoming one's who themselves complain about the massive amount of underaged and low-quality posters stinking this place up.
While the original oldfags have left, died, or remained here as losers forever, these second-generation oldies still come here to reminisce about the old days and complain about how shit these boards have become.
They're the 4chan equivalent of old men who go "Back in my day...". It's honestly hilarious when you think about it.

>>382496256

you're a newfaggot

>>382497017

>They're the 4chan equivalent of old men who go "Back in my day...". It's honestly hilarious when you think about it.

you must be really, really new.

>>382485661
HAHAH get over yourself retard. If it's fun then that's the whole fucking point.
"It's fun but it's actually bad based on reasons I had to try to create because I'm a pessimistic fag who has to be edgy and go against the grain."
What a shit mindset. Have 'fun' feeling superior because you don't like stuff generally liked.

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>>382496118

4chan has always been about doing the opposite of what is politically correct. A place for contrarians, recluse and generally people that hate social interactivity.

Back then, trannies (traps) felt the same as us, no "real" friends, staying at home a lot, watching movies, playing games. Now they demand arrests and jail time if you don't get their pronouns right. Current times are so fucked up, being noble, religious, conservative and righteous is on the opposite spectrum.

That's okay though, been here since 2009 and I've long ago accepted that 4chan can't be happy, if a shitstorm isn't a brew'in. Seems the rest of the world feels the same since /pol/ went from a shadow in the corner to the most browsed board above all in a year's time.

>>382486696
How many layers of irony are we on right now?