What Happened to Halo?

It's a mix of multiple things all happening in succession. Think of it as a perfect order of disaster events aligning just right.
To generalize though, the two biggest contributing factors were the rise of call of duty and the Halo series' response to it.

Halo is not a popular series anymore. It hasn't been for some time. It's supported on namw recognition alone. A VERY small portion of the original fans still play the new games, and they're only getting older.
Meanwhile, virtually none of the newer generation is taking up the series. This is something you absolutely need to maintain a healthy playerbase on consoles. Kids today don't even know what Halo is. All they know is they're not interested in it.

>#3327
Get at me.

>>382118015
Halo has been dead since post-Reach as both a viable brand and a fun series of games. The only things to come out of the franchise since Reach came out are the Forerunner books, and a couple of Halo Custom Edition mods and maps.

Halo 4 was the biggest factor but other things like MW2 redefining shooters to this day played a role.

>>382118015
343i killed Halo.

Halo 4 was shit.

>>382119796
MW2 redefining shooters
How?

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Microsoft was fucking stupid for not letting Bungie make Destiny, which would have been a much better game and a huge hit for the Xbox had Microsoft published it.

As far Halo goes, there's no hope that Halo 6 will be the series' redemption. There have been too many awful decisions and mistakes by 343 - Halo 4, Halo MCC (which should have been the easiest 10/10 game ever. They had one fucking job) and Halo 5's failure.

Halo 4 only sold as well as it did because the brand was still relevant and it was the first main series entry in 5 years. In a couple of weeks, its multiplayer base had less people playing it than Halo 3. I'm guessing that's why 343 did the whole "free updates" in H5 and was so negligent in fixing MCC, because it meant the player base would keep coming back and they wouldn't have the PR disaster of more people playing the older games than H5.

Apparently, 343 is "listening" to the fans for H6, but you would have to be a fool not to be skeptical. They have never delivered a fantastic or even great Halo experience and they fucked up the story so badly that it's better for them to drop their own saga and start over again.

Microsoft's greed and 343's incompetence has killed this franchise and it will never go back to having that amazing momentum that they once had.

You will never see people get this excited for a Halo game ever again.

https://youtu.be/ax1nvd8DF1Q

>>382120151
Cod 4 and MW2 are the earliest models of the kind of game that is attempted tp be replicated to this day on the console market. It's been said that COD "cracked the casual" code and I think that's accurate. Win or lose, every normie gets a rush from taking down someone else in COD and you are always rewarded. It's thats constant stream of unlocks and progression that makes post COD 3 Call pf Duty so addicting for so many people.
Compared to Halo, which is largely win-loss oriented, that's not engrossing or addicting enough for players now. There is not that constant fix of unlocks, which is why in Halo now, if one team gets out to an early lead, players on the losing team will oftwn quit.
Halo 3 still held it's own against COD 4, but barely. Then MW2 released and Halo had no real answer, just a standalone expansion for 3 priced at a full $60 retail. Seriously, ODST doesn't get enough blame for what went wrong. By the time Reach came out, it was too late, Cod was the new king and Halo was largely deprived of new and incoming ypungsters and older players... well, got too old. Most original fans were into their mid or late 20s by then which meant the Halo 3 boom players had to sustain the population and Cod was sucking them up by the thousands.
You NEED a consistant attach rate from younger players to sustain a franchise because okder players eventually just stop playing video games. If I could say one good thing about Halo 5, it's that it peobably has the oldest average age of any halo multiplayer, but that's only because the onky people playing it are old timers that can't let go.

>>382118015
last canon game was odst. everything after that was just "we want the cod multiplayer audience" cashgrab trash with fanfiction campaign slapped on.

Prometheans, Bonnie Ross and the fruitless endeavor of shying away from MC.

>>382121221
People like Frank O'Connor, Josh Holmes and Kiki Wolfkill are also to blame.

You're asking two different questions that are only indirectly related.

>Why did Halo fall from grace
There is no one answer to this. There were SEVERAL things that occured, both within the franchise and outside of it, all happening in succession that contributed to the fall. Think of it like the Titanic. They said they had 5 or 6 emergency failsafes that could go before the ship sank. Think of Halo 4 as the final failsafe that went. We know this because despite everything that had gone wrong between 2007 and 2012, as of the release of Halo 4 there was still a high demand for the Halo brand. You can see by the good sales of Halo 4 at launch and the catestrophic drop off in population that fell off a cliff that the bullet that finally brought Halp down happened there. Halo 5 having a low population is just a formality. Nothing was going to return the series to grace after that. In case you're wondering on what somw of the earluer factors were before 4 happened, they were to name a few: the rise of Cod as a titan of console multiplayer, a shift within the halo custom game community from social varients of the competitive mp to all out mini games,

As far as /hg/ goes however, the general in question is a good example of how the fanbase reacted to the changes: they left. Seriously, the only people left in /hg/ are people that are overly contrarian about the state pf the series compared to what the vast majority feel. If you've bewn in an /hg/ xbox live party, the hivemind mentality is that bungie is the real villain and that Halo 4 and 5 are fine games. 5 especially, which the consensus /hg/ opinion is that it has the best multiplayer in the series and any attempt to argue against that will get you labled anything from "bungiedrone", "destinyshill", or "halo 3 babby". These are the only people still playing the new Halo games. There might be the occasional exception, but the reason the pop is so low is because the only people playing are the ones that like it.

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>>382121631
nice phonepost, buddy.

I just haven't been able to get into the newer ones like I did halo 2 and 3, even though I think halo 5's gameplay is pretty fucking good. I always enjoyed the campaigns personally and once 343 started incorporating the books and other halo media into the story more and more I found myself unable to really enjoy it because I had to go on Google and read up on all these characters I had never seen before since they were only in the books or comics. I can also see why people would get pissed about other shit too like sprinting and classes a la cod but that shit doesn't really bother me as much.
Also as much of a step forward that halo 5 was from 4, halo 4 pretty much killed any hype and love I had for the series moving forward. That game was so fucking shit

>>382121631
This. /hg/ actually has a discord, and it's very active, with anywhere from 30 to 60 people being online and posting at once, but the actual "Halo" chat area of the discord is almost always barren. The main chat, which is much more active, is filled with far right wing hivemind circlejerking, anime posting, and meme dumps. This means that there are people that post in discord constantly but can't be bothered to bump the thread. In fact, I was in an /hg/ party a few days ago and several of them specifically stated they WANTED the thread to die and would purposely not bump it.

Not that the thread has been worth visiting in the last 6 months anyway. Any conversation that gets any steam is an argument about why Halo _ is "objectively" the best halo and why everyone that disagrees is "objectively" wrong. So I guess the general has been dead on the inside for a while now and only now realized it.

>>382121631
>>382122118
I played with those guys once. Never in my life have I dealt with such a clusterfuck of imtolerable personalities, randing from mildly autistic to debating the most pointless things. It didn't help that two thirds of them went negative in the game we were in. The only ones that were good at all complete dicks to everyone else.

Doesn't matter to me, I still enjoy the games.

>that /hg/ party last night
Only like 3 people actually playing halo (though admittedly I wasn't either) while everyone argues about how WWII should have ended

Glad the general is dead desu.

>>382118015
Just get a xim4, Xbone, and mcc and replay the single player campaigns over and over until you die. That's all halo has left anymore

People here have been pretty spot on.
Halo was never going to retake it's spot in the sun after MW2, but it didn't have to die like this.
Also yeah /hg/ is... was terrible

>>382121103
ODST is also a terrible Halo game and a bad shooter in general.

The series is dead, and if nothing is done soon, seemingly for good. The Xbox as you know it, is currently a dying console. Microsoft has run the Xbox brand into the ground, 343 has run the Halo series into the ground, and without an installbase anywhere near the size of the PS4, PC, or at least the original Xbox 360, there's now hardly a place for a PERFECT Halo game to flourish.

Halo 4 struck gold and led 343 into a false sense of security, because for all its faults the game sold exceptionally well and the xbox 360's userbase was incredibly large, coupled with the fact longtime fans saw the long-awaited sequel to Halo 3. In the end though, it showed clear signs of failing to retain this audience early in its lifespan, and not many efforts were made in Halo 4 to appease them until the MCC re-release of the game.

It ultimately failed to maintain that new audience for long, but with Halo 5 around the corner there was a couple of things 343 just flat out didn't consider

>The Xbox One console and launch of MCC were very poorly received and many still did not own an Xbox One
>The new audience attained from Halo 4 all bought a PS4 instead, who were already bored of the Halo series with Halo 4.

>Meaning that the only consumers left who actually bought the new console and Halo 5, were longtime Halo fans.

>You still tried to cater to both audiences, retaining neither

>>382121103
This is why games like arma , r6s and other tacticool games will never reach cods level of popularity
Videogames died in 2008

>>382122839
Halo 4 sold well because it was marketed as a sequel to 3. It was literally childhood nostalgia pandering on a stick. If 343 honestly thought the initial sales were a better metric tp look at than the population drop, which is the worst I've ever seen in a game, then they are still completely to blame.

>>382123003
343 is notorious for living in their own little bubble.

>>382118015
This /hg/ lasted almost 2 years, that's the longest a Halo General has survived since /vg/ was created back in 2012.

>>382123003
I'm realizing now that there was a fucking 5 year gap between 3 and 4, holy shit. Yea it was nostalgia pandering to college and high school kids who played it when they were teenagers

>>382118015
Halo 3 was the last true "halo" game in the sense of community strength and overall quality of mechanics.

Halo: Reach was the last gasp of air for the franchise and started the decline with all the classes and bullshit.

The franchise should have died with 3 like it was intended to. Every new aspect of the games that followed were meant to copy call of duty/every new fps instead of providing an alternative.

They fucked over their core fan base for the competitive scene which alienated a lot of people who play it casually.

Fuck 343 and fuck Microsoft for continuing this zombie franchise

>How to make Halo great again:
Release any and all Halo games to the PC, along with robust mod tools. Just look at CE - 16 years later it's still being played and mods and maps are being made.

the only thing halo has going for it now is the game modes
idk much about the new halo but all those crazy multiplayer game types were a blast, something modern console shooters lack

halo basically invented the infected gametype which cod stole
zombies

all in all i think halo slowly lost it's fan base starting with 2, but after 3 it really dipped and the amount popular shooters out there both new and old were more than enough to take it's place

Last decent Halo game was Reach

Just give it up friend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qfx9eoB-88

Anyone that thinks Halo could ever reach its popularity from 2007-2010 is a fool. That ship has sailed and people need to learn to deal with their game being a niche title.

>>382118015
idk but it hurts

i had some great times in halo 2, halo 3, and reach mp

>>382123593
Fuck off with your biased nitpicking videos shill.

The fight finished.

>>382123480
>the only thing halo has going for it now is the game modes
And then 5 threw that all out the window.

>>382123320
The last 8 months of that have been life support, systained on bumping for the sake of bumping, arguing about MY HALO IS BETTER THAN YOUR HALO, and discord drama

>>382123480
3 had the most fans and biggest population. The population started dipping in 2009. Despite its issues, Reach stayed a healthily populated and popular game through its existance and to this date is more populated than Halo 4 and is only about 13,000 behind halo 5 which sits at about 19,000. Halo 4 was the one that really did it

343 industries, this is not some complicated secret, the games have lost what made them unique and popular, the series is dying itself

>>382123719
Which modes are missing?

>>382118015
>It's been on life support for the last few weeks
It's actually been on life support for best part of a year. People kept anime posting and drama posting, pointlessly keeping the threads alive for no other reason than to keep their secret little club alive.

>>382123817
All of the asymmetrical modes, and Extraction.

Sigmund won.
He is the emperor Sheev of /hg/.

He tried to defeat Kai and claim leader, but he was unsuccessful, however his discord grew in strength with people that now only post there and not in the thread. The discord has become the new /hg/ and sigmund has become the new leader.

>>382123672
>nitpicking

That would eventually lead to the downfall of the franchise

>>382121103
Pretty much. I have friends that ditched Titanfall 2 because "I already unlocked everything." Knowing that people prefer a pat on the head after every match to actually decent gameplay makes me angry.

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>friend and I consider grabbing a used XB1 and Halo 5 when it comes out so we can crank that splitscreen like when we were kids
>343 comes out and says Halo 5 won't have splitscreen
Fuck it.

>>382124106
Like Reach?

>>382123740
Nice to see someone else from the general who wasn't deluded as fuck. >>382123820 was my post for reference

>>382124151
anon you have nut on your macbook

>>382124151
Better off playing 3 again, or get the remake of 1 on xbone why would you bother with 5

funniest thing is the Halo Killer was Halo itself lol

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>>382124090

>>382124239
Actually, it's 343. Nice try though lol

>>382124171
See >>382123740

I have probably the same issues with Reach that you do, but it didn't kill Halo. The game was pretty regularly in the top most played Xbox games. I'm not saying it didn't contribute to the fall, but 4 put the franchise in the grave.

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>>382124239

oh, the ironing

>>382123593

>competitive
>competitive
>competitive
>competitive?
>competitive, competitive
>competitive!
>competitive
>competitive

>>382123569
Shut the fuck up.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1DKmjNJ-_NM

>>382124447
Reach killed interest in the franchise and started the decline. Its numbers were pitiful compared to 3.

/vg/ was a mistake. good god you're acting like having nothing left to say is a major life changing event

>>382124090
Explain, who is Sigmund and who is Kai

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Mandatory Viewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qfx9eoB-88

>>382124546
/tfg/ is nice because there isn't any cliquiness and secret club bullshit yet

Can someone post a discord invite?
I just want someone to talk about halo

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>>382124475
At least try

No game series can last forever changing so little between releases.

>Muh ADS
>Muh sprinting
>Muh new enemies I don't like

These are all minor changes in comparison to the experimentation in other long running series like Mario or Zelda. The sure fire way to make Halo more dead than it is now was to constantly release Halo 3 clones with almost no changes. To become a titan again Halo needs another Halo 1 moment.

I don't know how you reinvigorate and revolutionize a first person shooter any more though. Almost everything has been tried or done.

>>382124526
Actually when Reach launched it broke tge record for most popular game on Xbox Live ever. It did average less players overall but that's in 2011 when COD was king of the world and Reach had to split its population with the still popular Halo 3.
I hate having to defend Reach. I really don't care much for the game, and I do think it contributed to the downfall, but it didn't kill the series. 343 did.

>>382124935
>Actually when Reach launched it broke tge record for most popular game on Xbox Live ever.
And then a week later Black Ops came out.

>>382124090
Sigmund will cling to the discord for as long as he possibly can. He was the biggest power hungry loser in hg, constantly trying to paint himself in the best light, obsessing over it and trying to create rifts against other members and Kai. I'm glad Kai held on to the Company as it will eat away at him for as long as he does. Sigmund had the typical "nice guy on the surface" persona.

I hope when the next iteration of Halo General losers like himself and Dew, the 2 most contrarian people I've ever met, don't come back. We're clearly kidding ourselves though as the general was pretty much all they had and obsessed over. 99% of the arguments in the threads were them sperging out over even the smallest of lore details, if you ever spent a night in any of the hg parties its obvious who was behind which posts. The same way they speak, the same opinions, the same sensitive snowflakes when their preferences are questioned.

It's a shame because hg had some pretty nice people, some I'd gladly class as friends, but they either left or were drowned out by the shitposting and arguments.

>>382124935
This.
People complained about Reach all through its tenure, but they still kept playing, and the customs community was at an all time high. Halo 4 was the death knell.

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>never get another halo general community montage

>>382124978
Thank you for proving my point.

QUICK!
LIST THE TOP 5 WORST PEOPLE IN /HG/!

>>382125063
The point being that even Halo 4 had a pretty good launch night. Halo 3 survived how many Call of Duty games in first place?

>>382118015
Reach shattered the playerbase that Halo 3 had. Follow that up with Halo 4's drastic changes to the already drastic changes that Reach made from what was really the perfect formula to release every three years or so, and the playerbase wanes again. Halo 5 comes along and kills any hope for the single player for the lorefags, and the multiplayer is hot garbage except for the most hardcore of fanboys wanting to justify their purchase of an Xbone, which, at this point, only has THREE exclusive games.

>>382124828
You're missing the point. Those "minor" changes completely gutted the gameplay without introducing anything new. Honestly I feel like the new successor to halo should be titanfall. They just need better enemy design because the gameplay and level design were on fucking point

Change of tone/themes and CoD happened

when you have a game large enough to compete toe to toe with CoD you have either 2 options

1: risk your playerbase and add mechanics and stuff from the rival series to appeal to other playerbase.

2: play it safe and tweak/fix/perfectioning the gameplay so that your playerbase stays loyal and grows.


Microsoft risked it and tried option 1 and Halo 4/5 happened.

And now they went full panic mode with Halo 6, because they know, if this one fails, they might aswell can the rest of the series for ever.


Microsoft never learned that Halo is a niche series, outside of the multiplayer and FPS appeal, Halo always had this "hard" military sci fi universe, they killed that theme for a easier to understand "anime" theme

instead of being complex and shit, they went we wuz spartans n shit basically, also, you NEED to read the latest books to understand Halo 4 and Halo 5, its a clusterfuck what 343i/Microsoft did with the series.


>>382124526


Halo 3 was always in the top 5 games of XBL till Reach, and then Reach was on the same top (5/10) until 4 and all the shitstorm that came with it

Yes, Reach wasn't as large as 3, but it hold its weight vs CoD and such games.

>>382123692
*fuck
:^)

Halo 5 is great and has tons of players

The general probably degenerated into a tripfag circlejerk

>>382125161
>>382125148
Again, Reach contributed to the decline, but not even a hundreth of what 4 did

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>>382123593
This video makes me too depressed.
In fact this entire thread has been depressing to read because I know its all true.

>>382125314
This

>>382125314
Halo 4 came out after a shit game that nobody wanted to play. Reach didn't.

>>382125234
I mean, CoD was getting big, and FAST, so instead of securing their playerbase, they tried to appeal to them.

and thats something they didn't know, you don't COMPETE with another predator, you coexist with it.

>>382125381
But people like reach. Nobody likes Halo 4.
The population drop off was catastrophic.

You can twist the goalposts all you want. Reach didn't kill halo. 343 did.

>>382125314
People were still holding (and still are) onto brand loyalty when Reach came out. The changes to Firefight, the nickel and diming of credits for customization rather than just unlocking gear as you did cool shit, armor abilities, everything that Halo 4 did wrong, short of the poor enemy design in the single player, started in Reach.

>>382125532
The trend started before Reach with ODST, Reach contributed to it, but the biggest contributer by far was 4. Not even close.

>all that "hunt the truth" garbage pre-release Halo 5
>all that hype about Master Chief being a "bad guy"
>MC literally fights Locke for no more than a minute
>shortly after they team up to fight some mechanical bird
The entire marketing campaign was literally geared towards selling this farce about Master Chief going rogue. Also,
>creating enlarged maps to justify the spartan abilities and sprint in Halo 5
>literally copying and pasting every single player ability that was in CoD AW
>automatic rifles that were stupidly overpowered for no logical reason
>excluding classic gametypes like king of the hill, assault, and oddball
>big team battle was trash
They'll only continue to try and milk this franchise and you can bet they WON'T learn from previous mistakes. CoD is on a steep decline, Infinite Warfare was a dud and only sold a decent amount of copies because CoD4 remastered and WW2 looks pretty trash so if ever there was a time for Halo to make a comeback it's with Halo 6 but 343 will fuck it up guarantee.

>b-but reach!
Looks like the discord has arrived

>>382125502
Could you at least agree that Reach was the fatal shot?

>>382125018
Everything you've just mentioned is what is so disgusting about /vg/. It's Reddit Plus.

>>382124526
Reach had really solid consistent numbers for its whole life until 4 came out, even when black ops 2 was released.
Don't forget that Bungie was proud enough to have a population counter in both games and on their website to show. It never reached 3's numbers that's for sure but it was still standing on its own feet.

>>382125650
>Could you at least agree that Reach was the fatal shot?
Not at all. It held a very healthy population all through its life. Hell, it has more players now than 4 does.

>>382125601
Ease up on the Bungie worship, dude. ODST was a spin-off, and the only thing Reach took from it was Firefight.

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It's simple. Think about it, every since Halo first released it was a trend setter.
>Halo:CE made console FPS and FPS story telling big
(Only other game at the time to do this would be Half-Life)
>Halo 2 had an ambitious story and introduced everyone to console online play
>Halo 3 came out at the start of a new generation and showed off the power of the 360 which no one had experienced up to that point.
During this golden age of Halo everyone was trying to make "the Halo killer" in order to out shine Halo.

>>382125689
Compared to Halo 3, it might as well have had 0 players. It was a miracle for the game to hold over 100k a year after launch.

>>382125650
No because the numbers don't back that up. Halo's popularity was declining steadily from 2008 onward. Reach split the population with but otherwise the overall halo numbers were consistant with that decline until 4 released, which is when the numbers plummeted.

>>382125650
No. Literally next to nobody thinks that. Reach is and always will be a more popular game than 4. 4 is widely considered the game that killed halo.

From someone who has always been outside the fandom let me tell you, from my point of view Halo has been dead since like 2009.

>>382125843
Fuck off. Reach came out after that and is still alive and well today.

>>382125741
See >>382125772
Reach split the base population with Halo 3 whivh didn't die when Reach released the same way 2 didn't die when 3 released. The population decline pace of overall halo players was consistant throughout the Reach years until Halo 4 came oiut, spiked in players for a week or two, then fell off a cliff

>>382125910
This guy however is pretty ignorant and possibly false flagging.

>>382125736
It's why Halo is remembered so fondly by most people. It got so big that even non-gamers knew about it.
>Reach was a bit of a change of form, while it did innovate a bit for Halo with forge and custom options it borrowed to m any things from other games
>In comes Halo 4, many borrowed ideas from other games
>It started with Reach, Halo started to become a trend follower and no longer a trend setter.

Halo reach fucked the competitive community
Halo 4 fucked the entire casual and competitive community with its atrocious multiplayer
MCC never worked and still doesn't
Halo 5 had a shit launch with shit story and shit multiplayer with the guise of luring esports fags back in, which no one really likes and is already dead

Can we all agree it was predominantly 343i's influence on the franchise which caused its accelerated decline?

>>382125990
This.
Most people only look at the reach numbers and not the 3 numbers.

>>382123817
invasion, oddball, race, 1 flag, 1 bomb (assault wasn't even in the game until a dlc that came out like 8 months after its release), juggernaut, territories, vip, head hunters, stockpile, regicide, dominion

>>382126048
Halo 3 was able to hold 6 digits easily a year or two after launch. Reach was struggling to hit even 100k a year after launch.

>>382126032
>Can we all agree it was predominantly 343i's influence on the franchise which caused its accelerated decline?
60% 343 and Microsoft
30% the rise of Cod
10% Halo Reach

>>382118721
This. I am relatively young. I don't give even a small shit about Halo and I don't know anyone who likes it or even knows what it is properly. It's dead and thank God for that.

>>382126032
Reach caused Halo to fall out of light with people who don't care a lot about Halo. 4 doomed it to obscurity.

>>382126131
I'm okay with this.

Halo 5 is fantastic

>>382126112
Because it split the population. What part of this don't you understand? Overall halo player decline was consistant until 2012

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>>382125314

Another way to look at this for the edification of the thread: Halo 3 sold about 12 million copies. This was about a 40% increase on Halo 2, which in turn had been about a 30% increase on Halo.

Reach lost about 20% of Halo 3's sales. This wasn't a great sign, but foreseeable given the marketing of the two games. Halo 4 however lost only about 1% of Reach's sales. That's quite decent for a series over ten years old at that time.

Halo 5 sold less than HALF as many copies as Halo 4, less than 5 million. That means that ONE HALF of the people who bought and, presumably, played Halo 4, decided "fuck this, why bother" when it came time to buy the next one.

Halo 5 fucking bombed. It sold worse than Halo 1. It sold worse than ODST for fucks sake. Was that because it was a bad game? Yes, sure it would have clawed back players if it were better, but ONE HALF the people who played Halo 4 decided they didn't even want to give Halo 5 a shot.

Halo 4 killed Halo.

>>382126207
no

>>382126131
This

>>382126216
>Because it split the population.
Then why was Halo 3 not hurting when Halo 2 released? Or CoD4? Or WaW?

>>382126003
When Titanfall released in became the new trend setter. While it didn't break any sales records it was praised for its mobility options.
>Titanfall was copied by so many games, notably CoD
>Halo 5 fell into the same damn category, just look at it. All it's mobility options are inspired by Titanfall
>MCC was fans and MS hope that Halo would be reborn but they fucked it up and now MCC is an embarrassment.

>>382126304
Halo 5 doesn't have any of Titanfall's movement options, though.

>>382126252
Plus sales are not even the only factor. Pop drop off indicates huge displeasure with 4.

>>382126282
Halo was an unrivaled monopoly in console shooters from 2001 to 2007. When 3 released, it had virtually zero competition. Reach released in an age where Halo wasn't even the go-to multiplayer console game anymore. Like someone said earlier, MW2 came out a year before reach and halo had no answer for it other than ODST.

>no one has an Xbox One
>now let me tell you how good Halo 5 is

wew lads

>>382126282
I don't like Reach, but that's a bad comparison. Halo 3 released under next to no competition. Reach released after COD had already taken the spot as top dog for a wbole year.

>>382126405
I know it doesn't, but why are they there in the first place? Why not just regular Halo gunplay. I'd say they took inspiration from CoD just like Halo 4. And CoD at the time took inspiration from Titanfall.

Halo 5 is an advamced mobility game

It's been 10 years since a Halo game came out that built upon the core foundational mechanics established in 2001.

Halo is dead because Halo is no longer unique, they couldn't handle being second best, they needed the Call of Duty audience and compromised the design in Reach. The fanbase has split into so many factions because of the many different kinds of Halo gameplay and they are terrified to make a decision, so we get a half baked and wishy washy series for years.

Halo is dead to me, unless they go back to no enhanced mobility, colorful and simple visual design like Halo 3, a simplified and balanced sandbox and great maps.

I wont hold my breath.

>>382124701
Hear what he say fucking faggot

>>382118015
>Halo's popularity is a shell of its former self, but why

1. No Halo 3 PC
2. 343 is a bunch of fucking hacks
3. Microsoft Deserves it

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>microsoft strongarms bungie into releasing odst as a full-priced game
>reach makes questionable changes that costs them some of halo 3's playerbase (halo 3 was kind of a fluke so you could also see this returning to the franchise's normal sales)
>halo 4 runs off the goodwill created by 3/odst/reach and completely fucking ruins it by turning it into CoD-lite
>halo 5 not only goes even further with the cod-lite multiplayer, but introduces what is by far the worst campaign in the franchise

Microsoft's greed lost Bungie, 343i's incompetence lost Halo.

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>think about picking up an xb1 + mcc to replay all the halo campaigns in split screen with my friend like we used to in school
>both too busy with RL shit to waste that much time on vidya

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>>382126798
>1. No Halo 3 PC

>>382126565
Sprint and thrust are evolutions of Reach abilities, you could probably consider hover as one too. Slide has just become the standard for shooters with sprinting.

>>382126252
Halo 5 bombed because the Xbone bombed, quality of the game itself is irreverent in this scenario. In 2015 they hadn't even broken 20 million consoles sold yet, when Halo 4 came out the Xbox 360 had over 60 million sold. A lot of the Halo fanbase potentially just got PS4s because of how badly the Xbone was doing and moved on to Destiny.

I remember lore-fags getting really pissed because one of the newer games killed a prominent villain from the novels in a really anticlimactic way like it was nothing.

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>>382118015
>Surely the answer is more complicated and systematic than just "343 industries"

OPs like you make me laugh. You already know the answer to your question. You just want /k/ to lie to you and make you feel better.

>>382127038
But people had negative reactions to reach AAs.
5 having things people don't like is completely 5's and 343's fault, not Reach's. That makes no sense.

>>382126826
Halo 5's multiplayer is far less CoD than 4's was

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>>382126798

>1. No Halo 3 PC

i mean im bitter about this too, but cmon son

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>>382126546
>Halo 3 released under next to no competition
When will this meme die? Even after 2007, there were plenty of games released that couldn't dethrone Halo 3.

>>382127069
They killed Rookie from ODST like a punk.

>>382127150
I mean, 343 is very incompitant. They might have thought people liked reach more than they did.
They're a terrible company that is seriously out of touch. Far worse than bungie.

>>382126798
Putting Halo 3 on PC would do next to nothing to revitalize the franchise now. Fuck, I don't even think a MCC release could help the playerbase for long.

>>382127150
The community was pretty much split down the middle on Reach's abilities.

>>382127205
Cod 4 disn't grow in popilarity until after it released. Cod 3 didnt turn any heads.

>>382127205
But cod 4 did dethrone halo 3. Multiple times in fact. The popilation decline started in 2008 as Cod grew more popular.

PLEASE.
PROVIDE.
DISCORD.
LINK.

>>382127325
And CoD4 wasn't able to dethrone Halo 3 at its peak.

More info on Reach if anyone wants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvF-Obh_BBI

>>382118015
343 Industries took it in the completely wrong direction and no one wanted to buy an Xbone just to play it.

>>382127913
>33 minutes
Yeah, no

>>382127913
>half hour video
Hownewru?

Man, going back to all the Halo community shit from the franchise's heyday now is so depressing. HIH? Dead. HBO? Agonizingly dead, deader than the Marathon Story Page forums. RvB? Still coming out apparently, fuck knows what the hell it is about at this stage, 10+ seasons after I figured they had wrapped up the plot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLq4DB9egb8

Who remembers this shit?

>>382127956
>>382128019
There's that much wrong with Reach.

>>382118015
343 killed it

>>382120530
Changing Cortana didn't help the situation, that killed it for me in the trailer stage.

343 is actually just incompetent they keep saying they're listening to the community but they never fucking interact with it. They also claim they care about competitive gameplay but it's easy to see they actually don't give a fuck and just throw money at the scene hoping to sustain it, it took them a year and a half to change the settings to something tolerable but everyone already left. Also Halo 5 launched with jack shit and no social playlists.

>>382128154
https://youtu.be/vg_ZkoUteLM

>>382127913
I'm 10 minutes in and more than half the shit this guy is saying is positive...

Halo 5 MP is really fun, I don't get how forge on PC only had like 30 ppl when i played it last.

I even really enjoyed battleground or whatever the PVPVE was called.

Halo doesn't deserve this fate. I'm going to pray that Halo 6 is amazing but I know that even if it is it'll just sell poorly and no one will play it.

>>382118015
halo is kill

along with my pc copy of halo and halo 2, no idea where those discs ran off too.

but you can only replay a game SOO much, especially when it has no real story and lack luster gameplay.

>>382127173
>>382127284
You seriously cannot tell me that there would not be a dedicated PC following, there are fuckers who have literally modded a shitty free to play knockoff just to come close to having it.

That is probably why it will never be released, why buy Halo 6 on windows 10 if everyone just plays Halo 3 on literally everything else.

>>382128534
>Halo 5 MP is really fun
I completely disagree, but I respect your opinion

Just release Halo 6, and let the series die. I'm one of the biggest fanboys of the series, but it's done and the story will never live up to the original trilogy. Even if they fire Reed and write a decent script, there will never be that tension in the series of "Will the humans conquer?"

I miss this game so much.

>>382128582
>there are fuckers who have literally modded a shitty free to play knockoff just to come close to having it.
Like 5 people. PC players don't give a shit about anything but F2P cancer and esports cancer.

>>382128582
The PC community does not care about Halo. Halo Online has been hacked and playable for over a year and is dead. Halo Wars 2 on W10 is dead. Halo 5 on W10 is dead.

>>382128431
No Halo dev has really interacted with the community.

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>>382128154
You forgot one

>theres still new episodes coming out

>>382120530
Halo 5 has the greatest multiplayer of the series. Easily Top 3 last year contending with Overwatch and Titanfall 2.
The story is a mess but it's still following the basic guidelines set out by Bungie. Their art direction just sucks ass, and the liberties they take with fluff characters is horrible. How they can write great characters in their audio drama but consistently shit out characters like Palmer, Tanaka, Veil, the Didact, and Warden amazes me.

>>382128582

PC modding communities are cool and all but they don't keep a console franchise "alive" from the point of view of the people who are funding it.

>That is probably why it will never be released, why buy Halo 6 on windows 10 if everyone just plays Halo 3 on literally everything else.

Surely you see how delusional this is though, come on. Selling to PC players forms no part of whatever marketing strategy 343i pursue and shitty as that strategy is, you can't convince me it should.

>>382128583
Best arena shooter out there right now

>>382128828
Wait what? Didn't Arbiter and Chief kill themselves from a house fire or something?

>>382118015
Good riddance. Any FPS designed for analog sticks deserves to die

>>382128879
You know what, you're probably right. Pretty sad. God what a dead genre.

>>382128879
Halo isn't and never has been an arena shooter.

>>382128780
the only reason its dead is they are pushing windows 10 to sell it.

>>382128956
Halo 5 is

>>382127758
>Me
>Closeted
The rest is spot on.

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>>382128854
>Halo 5 has the greatest multiplayer of the series

>>382128816
Bungie did interact though, they had constant community playlists/content.

>>382129017
No it's not. It's Halo with some added movement abilities.

>>382129024
he's right

>>382128854
>Halo 5 has the greatest multiplayer
Um...
>of the series.
UMMMMMM
>Easily Top 3 of last year
Pfffffffhahahaha
>Overwatch
Anon, fucking stop.

>>382128854
>halo 5 has the greatest multiplayer in the series
I just... wat

>>382129068
it's much faster too with much more verticality and hitscan beam weapons

>>382128583
I respect your dissent as well.

Halo 5 isn't amazing but I wouldn't call it bad either, theres really no other arena fps. It played like a good mix of Halo CE and 2.

New shit like spartan charge/sprint/ """ADS""" get a bad rap despite not being that offensive. Bullet magnetism still present (and likely always will be) but precision shooting matters more in 5 than in any other halo ever before.

>>382129128
Halo 2 exists, so no, Halo 5 doesn't have the best multiplayer in the series. Anyone who disagrees is underage.

>>382128854
>Halo 5 has the greatest multiplayer of the series
just because it's the only one you played it doesn't make it the best

>>382129048
So does 343?

>>382118721
This, sadly.

>>382129251
Halo 2 had shitty MP

>>382129205
>>382129171
>>382129024
>>382129269
Ignore him. There is no point in arguing with someone that says something that the overwhelming majority of the fanbase completely disagrees with.

>>382128534
It does deserve this fate, it was supposed to die 10 years ago and Bill Gates put it on a food tube.

>>382129312
good for them I was never much of a Halo fan after 2 was so wholly bleh

>>382129221
Halo 1 is still faster despite not having advanced movement also verticality means shit when it's easy to move up and down.

>>382129221
Again, it's not an arena shooter. It's Halo with some movement abilities tacked on.

>>382129312
This

>>382129436
sure

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>>382129024
>>382129171
>>382129205
All those counter arguments holy shit, /v/ is full video game connoisseurs.

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>>382128854
>Halo 5 has the greatest multiplayer of the series

its true

>>382129251
Halo 2 can't be the best when CE exists.

>>382129425
>Halo 1 is still faster
doubt

>>382128673
>Make modded game
>take it to reddit because of reasons
>constantly break older versions for no good reason and delay any new fixes
>wonder why 5 people play it
There were thousands of people playing it when it was first starting off, the retards working on it are to blame for running all the players off.

>>382128780
>The PC community does not care about Halo
Except that Halo CE is still going strong after 16 fucking years. Hows that MCC population treating you? Superior console experience as always huh?

It does matter though, this franchise is dead as fuck after Halo 6 on every platform.

>>382128872
>but they don't keep a console franchise "alive"
>market to consoles
>get huge support on PC and lots of money
>make game exclusive
>keep marketing to consoles
>no consoles buy game
>game fails
>studio folds
>but PC gamers can't keep it alive!!!!
Next you'll blame piracy or some other retarded shit.

>Selling to PC players forms no part of whatever marketing strategy 343i pursue
Halo 6 is coming to PC you retard, their entire brand is imploding and they are getting desperate.

>>382128828
The new episodes have this weird feeling of trying to force some hidden message, and the episodes go kinda slow to me, I've only watched 2 of them because they're like an hour long each, not that into the new ones but at least they don't suck.

>>382129579
>CE
>best
Maybe if it worked right for anything outside of 2v2.

>>382129639
>Except that Halo CE is still going strong after 16 fucking years.
Colombians, Brazilians, and Mexicans aren't people.

>>382129251
>dat bullet magnetism
>giant headshot hitbox
>dat shitty FoV

ummm no sweetie

>>382129664
Just played 4 v 4 the other day. Had a blast.
I can see it being a clusterfuck on some smaller maps though.

>>382129664
It doesn't need to work competitively for anything but 2v2. It's not like anything higher is unplayable, just less controllable.

>people in this thread right now trying to say halo 5 has the BEST multiplayer

>>382129816
Works fine for me

>>382129779
Just for fun with friends sure, anything slightly competitive is a mess.

>>382129816
To each his own.
Halo 1 4v4 is the best way to play it for me

>>382129251
>Halo 3 is a refined, polished version of Halo 2
>People still think 2 is the best
>HAHA LOL UNDERAGE UNDERAGE
It's like people don't use the literal definition of that word, but instead use it for things they simply dislike.
You are genuinely fucking blind with pride, it's actually embarassing. I mean I know this place is known for being filled with insuffereable faggots, but damn, you are an insufferable faggot. Here's your (You).

>>382129816
Nah. Halo CE with 8-12 people on larger maps has always been a blast for friends and I. Works competitively too.

>>382129583
2v2 games are faster than every other 4v4 Halo game

>>382129885
more like
>People in this thread RIGHT NOW are in middle school

>>382130008
>refined, polished
That's a funny way of saying 'casualized.'

>>382129978
This. I can't imagine playing sidewinder with 2 people.

>>382122575
What are you talking about? We were playing BTB, castle wars, then went to do a puzzle map which lasted nearly 2 hours.

>>382129941
>>382129978
>>382130032
It's objectively less competitive than 2v2 play due to how well the spawn system works if you only have a single teammate. That said, it's not uncompetitive or unfun.

>>382130091
I guess I didn't stick around for when that started. I left because of how loud it was and I couldnt understand anyone.
Either way, nice job bumping the thread.

>>382129312
>overwhelming majority of the fanbase

If that were true then Halo 5 would've had better sales since they played it, right?

No, Halo 5 got meme'd to death

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How would you have fixed /hg/?

>>382130162
>objectively
Wew

>>382130038
2v2 games in every other Halo ran to 25-30 kills. In Halo 1, they went to 50.

>>382129885
Well it does have some truth into it, it's definitely the most competitive focused in the series with a heavy weapon balance and arguably with the highest skill ceiling. Now, if you're just looking for a more relaxed or social experience on BTB/Slayer just for fun it's where 5 fails because it wasn't the focus of the game design.

Another factor as to why everything went to shit is the fact the fact that the fucking community fractured and cannibalized itself, as you can see in this thread, and nearly every Halo thread, excepting the ones where everyone likes the same game.
But seriously, generalfags need to get the fuck off this board with their gay internet drama shit.

>>382130253
I remember a lot of people feeling burnt by the marketing campaign, but it's like do you not remember Halo 2???

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never forget

>>382128476
It's called weighing the good and bad.

>>382130274
The spawn system is more random when you have any more or less than 2-player teams.

>>382130162
To be fair, it largely depends on what version of halo CE you're playing. The original Xbox version is still the definitove edition and has better spawns. Every other version is based on the original PC release which actually uses an earlier build of the game.

>>382130229
>I left because of how loud it was and I couldnt understand anyone.
That's the problem when you have 14 people in the same party and everyone is speaking over each other.

>Either way, nice job bumping the thread.
Well I just got here and I don't want it to die yet.
/v/ halo threads tend to be nice

>>382130434
This. I can never play any more than 2v2 for comoetitive on CE in MCC because of how bad the spawns are. Played halo 1 on the heug 3 weeks ago with friends. Night and day difference.

>>382130373
That's what happens when every release changes up everything from the previous game for the sake of variety.

>>382130353
the only educated opinion in the thread

>>382118015
A lot of dumb faggots will tell you when 343 took over but the truth is ODST and Reach. After Halo 3, Bungie was fed up with Halo and the Master Chief's story so they did all they can to change Halo for the worst because they no longer had any innovative ideas or ay ideas at all on how to continue the franchise. OSDT was a 2 hour barren piece of shit that was the worst selling FPS Halo game, people will try to say its story was great but it's not, it has you running around going through doing stupid flashbacks that have nothing to do with the story, I lost count on how many times the Rookie picked up something and then dropped it. The story doesn't start until Dare calls Rookie but the game is already over by then. No gives a fuck about Bucks retarded relationships and the canon breaks with Halo 2 and 3 were unnecessary. The game also had one of the worst final missions in the series mixed with film grain, and a worst version of Horde and Nazi Zombie mode. Next came 2010's Halo Reach which started with the garbage beta no one liked and then when the game came out it had one of he worst campaign in the series with terrible level designs, bad characters, no plot (like ODST), canon breaks with Halo 1-3, gameplay that wasn't Halo, film grain, motion blur, 20fps, and every mode that wasn't Forge being shit. The game had the worst maps in the series and Forge maps were grey as fuck. The game also introduced a lot of the cancer we see today. After Halo 3, players wanted faster movement, Bungie instead intentionally made the players slower in both ODST and Reach and stopped listening to the fanbase soon after.

Fuck Bungie and fuck the faggots that kiss their shit filled ass. Halo Reach also stopped selling at 7 million.

343's main mistake was continuing with Bungie's garbage direction with Halo 4, not releasing H2A separately, and sidelining the Chief while removing split screen and lan in Halo 5, all slated to make a return in Halo 6 and beyond.

>>382130402

What did he mean by this?

>>382130353
We will just have to agree to disagree.
Or not.

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>halo
any active halo games on PC? loved halo 3 and CE multiplayer

>>382118015
>more complicated and systematic than just "343 industries" or sonething like that.
It's that and a combination of the increasing popularity of Steam. If Microsoft allowed the IP to branch out to Steam then it would have been another story. I'd be playing Halo again right now.

>>382130264
Remove tripfags


Disband the company so no more autism about Achilles

>>382130513
That usually doesn't happen with games that do that, people just pick their favorite one. But with Halo it's like Mad Max factions fighting for superiority.

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When Halo 5 killed split screen, LAN, and basically any form of local multiplayer.

Ever since Halo 1 Bungie has taken local multiplayer seriously to where they utilized the console equivalent to LAN to make 16 player matches possible without online play. Even after Xbox Live became a thing, Halo maintained a strong local multiplayer approach. Playing split screen all day with friends, tons of 4+ player matches at parties and sleepovers, 16 kids playing System Link at the last week of school. This is the magic Halo had, this is what made it one of THE multiplayer experiences of the 6th and 7th generations. Call of Duty from 4 onwards did this too, and it eventually became the console shooter to surpass Halo.

In Generation 7, a bullshit trend started where shooters wouldn't have offline multiplayer. I don't mean singleplayer only games such as Bioshock, I mean that they only have multiplayer if you play them online. No splitscreen, no system link, no room for the magic. This meant that when their online base dried up (and they usually dried up quickly), the multiplayer was effectively gone from the game.

Halo 2 and onwards had online multiplayer, and that feature greatly supplemented their massive successes, but as Halo 1 proven, they could be good without them. I personally played Halo 3 for months before being able to use Xbox Live. Keep in mind that online multiplayer wasn't as widespread as it became by the end of the generation and having great offline multiplayer meant that those who didn't have Xbox Live Gold would still buy and play Halo 3. Those shitty online-only games, on the other hand, get ignored miss out on potential customers right out the gate.

Halo 4 made tons of mistakes, it made have started the franchise in the wrong direction, but at least it kept the tradition of strong offline multiplayer. It was still commercially successful, placing between Halo Reach and Halo 2 at roughly 10 mil sales.

But then Halo 5 happened... (cont)

halo stopped making good innovations
CE showed that there can be fun console shooters
2 was the big leap forward for matchmaking and was the first console game to have a large multiplayer playerbase
3 introduced a great map/game mode editor, much more customization, and had some big maps with tons of vehicles
ODST stole horde mode and didn't have matchmaking so it wasn't that popular
reach continued to improve on all of the innovations 3 made, but didn't really have anything new to add (besides invasion, which was a flop in the wider community)
4 didn't add anything good and the shit they did add was taken from more popular shooters like cod, again, not innovative
5 tried to add in an esports element and modes from counter strike, again taking elements from more popular games and putting them in a game where it really doesn't belong, they also added in warzone mode which was obviously inspired by titanfall and mobas, but the thing about warzone is that it's p2w shit
the lack of beneficial innovations killed halo. going from 1 to 2, there's a huge difference in not only the way the game plays and handles, but the way that you play the game itself. same with halo 3, and reach to a lesser extent. but you don't see that innovation going from 3 to 4 or 4 to 5. now bungie is making innovations with destiny, which is why so many people play the game despite the fact that it's monetization model is a complete scam

>>382130536
/hg/ detected.

And no, 4 being bad is 4's fault, not reach's.

>>382130264
>Banned all dramafags/sekret klub faggotry
>Talk about Halo instead without Halo 5 dicksucking taking precedent over anything else

There you go, it's fixed. But it's not like hg is the only general with that problem. Destiny general is just as bad, probably worse, they're just more alive.

>>382130434
PC's player spawns work identically to the original game's. Item spawns were fucked for a long time before PC modders were able to fix it.

>>382118015
Halo General periodically dies each time a cancerous circlejerk forms and drives all the anons away.

>>382130536
Reach is an objectively more popular game than 4 or 5 and no amount of ebin length posts will ever change that. Cheers.

>>382130580
halo wars

>>382130615
Name 3 (THREE) tripfags who were lurking /hg/

>>382130671
>PC's player spawns work identically to the original game's.
This is not true. In fact, PC spawns get changed with every update.

>>382130628
Halo draws many comparisons to Smash. Both are party games that change up a lot between releases and have fans constantly at war with one another.

>>382122315
>>382122118
Who bodied you?

>/hg/ shows up
>blame shifts from 4 to reach
Every time

>>382130724
>Bias
>Pizza
>Red

>>382130792
It's ok, the majority, the vast majority, will always know 4 did it. /hg/ can shitpost all they want, they don't even have a general anymore. Kek.

>>382130772
>Smash
Dropped.
I don't think you're taking this conversation seriously.

>>382130760
Halo PC hasn't had an update in like 10 years if you don't count the recent one when Gamespy shut down.

>>382130864
This.
I'm glad /hg/ is dead.
It was a group of a few people holding on to mindless reach hate 7 years after release bumping the thread with dick size comparison tier arguments.

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>>382130264
>ban game wars
>ban 343shill, CEfag, reachfag, 3babbies shitposting
>ban discord drama
>ban tripfag drama
>encourage custom sessions (THAT ARE ACTUALLY POSTED IN THE FUCKING THREAD)
>well organized events like that tournament that never actually happened

Here's hoping for a better community for /hg/ 4.0.

>>382130880
This shitflinging is absolutely nothing new. Doom is another example.

>>382130880
Halo and Smash are intrinsically linked. They had similar communities at a similar age.
So some research. Both games literally together founded MLG.

I was surprised it was still up considering everyone should have dropped it in the first few months, everyone went back to Destiny. There are still more random generals that need to be closed

We all just need to kill Chaosdroid 2.

>>382130947
>>ban 343shill, CEfag, reachfag, 3babbies shitposting
t.2fag
We get it, you like instant kills.
Now keep your boner in your pants before you spill your superior taste in vidya all over us.

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The discord is currently discussing this thread.

>>382130646
I never said Halo 4 failed because of Reach, I said it failed because 343 decided to take ideas from a piece of shit instead of the last good Halo game that released in 2007.

>>382130720
Doesn't matter how popular it was, it stopped selling in 2012 while Halo 3 was still selling, it got outsold by Halo 4, HALO 4. no one liked it and all it did was damage the franchise. While Halo 4 was unpopular because it pushed Reach's ideas forward Halo 5 lost popularity for sidelining Master Chief , they should have known from Halo 2 that you just don't do that, removing split screen and lan, and then adding content late

>>382128935
They came back to life after Jon bought replacement toys, following an extended stay in Hell.

>>382131074
You seen that SMITE general?
Hah! I don't know why they even bother. They got some weird fucking pride going on over there where they won't admit their shit is dead and they keep making them. It's embarrassing honestly.

>>382131168
>2fag
I didn't know this term was a thing but sure, include them as well, i'm sure you know what i tried to say anyway.

>>382128956
It is though, just slowed down.

>>382131385
Halo has always been closer to Counter Strike than Quake.

>>382131282
You can fuck off along with the rest, keep your gay ass internet drama out of here.
I came to talk about vidya, not autists reeing at each other.

ODST and Reach are primary examples of Microsoft should have either ended the series at Halo 3 or put the series on a 5 year hiatus until 2012 then release a Halo 4.

>>382131282
Nobody cares. Fuck off /hg/, literally nobody else on the internet likes you autistic fags

>>382131292
>it got outsold by Halo 4
Well, I've seen sources that say otherwise, but pretending they don't exist, that's a bad argument. Halo 4 disn't sell well because people liked halo 4. It sold well because people had hopes tjat, being HALO 4, it would be a true sequal to halo 3 in how it played... and it wasn't. Transformers 2 sold better than Most movies ever released. It's not a good movie.

>>382118015
I played all the bungie games, they were all varying qualities of "good".

I played Halo 4, and that was "meh".

I never played Halo 5. I guess they're onto Halo 6 now?

I don't care, because they couldn't figure out what made Halo interesting to Halo fans like me. They thought I was the esports crowd. They thought I wanted CoD. They thought I wanted superhero capeshit. They thought I was an idiot and needed all the lore explained to me in cutscenes with no mystery or ambiguity. They thought I'd just accept retcons to push political opinions.

Well, they're wrong. Halo as I've seen it develop since Halo Reach just isn't Halo anymore. It's a game pretending to be Halo by a developer pretending to be Bungie.

Good while it lasted at least. 343i simply squandered what they had due to executive incompetence.

>>382131512
So people bought Reach because they liked it, but nobody could have ever wanted to buy Halo 4 if they actually wanted it?

>>382131512
This.
If anything, Halo 4's sales and then immidiate drop off are a testament to how much more responsiblw it is for killing the francgise than reach. By far.

>>382131441
>Halo has always been closer to Counter Strike
Oh definitely, the limited lifes, movement, gunplay, round-based and overall gameplay are pretty much indistinguishable.

>>382131583
People don't buy games because they like them. They buy them because they are hyped for them. Destiny sold very well because it was hyped to shit.

Stop. Using. Sales. As. A. Metric. Of. Quality.

Population drop off is a much better one.

>>382131687
This.

>>382131615
The movement is pretty similar. As are headshots, a strict weapon limit, and more of a military focus than a sci-fi one. The only thing Halo has in common with Quake is that you pick up guns from the map, and the Plasma Rifle shoots little blue balls.

>>382131441
How can you possible come to that conclusion? It has all of the elements of an arena shooter, just with movement speed limited. You've got a slow TTK, weapon and item pickups which necessitate map control, and gunplay which encourages staying mobile at all times. It is literally just Quake slowed down to be more accessible.

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>>382125034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj0swJRlm5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYBXxSRjMfE

What went right?

What went wrong?

>>382131687
Fucking this.

>>382131569
>I played all the bungie games, they were all varying qualities of "good".
Don't lie. Myth wasn't good, and neither was vanilla Destiny (which required over a hundred dollars of DLC to 'fix')

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>>382130636
When Halo 5 was revealed to have no splitscreen, it was a massive betrayal.

No split screen matches with your friends of brothers.
No 4 player games at parties and sleepovers.
No 16 player summer matches on the last Friday of 10th grade.
None of that magic can ever happen with Halo 5.

To this day I still remember the shitstorm on /v/, and even worse, the apologists who defended it. I know they weren't trying to be assholes, and it was mostly just them defending the game and their egos (I've done it with some other games myself). But it still made me furious. Halo wasn't just a splitscreen game, it was THE splitscreen game. Splitscreen was the fucking bedrock of the Halo experience.

>"Online multiplayer is big enough to where they don't really need to do it"
>"It's better to play it online anyways not much point in splitscreen honestly"
>"It would've a waste of dev time really"

That shit made me so fucking angry. I won't even try to describe the disgust. Anyways, at that point, Halo was effectively dead. Halo 4 was able to hit 10 mil but Halo 5 couldn't even outsell ODST. At that point it went from "not the king anymore but still a big player" to "completely washed out hasbeen that's sad to even look at"

>>382118015
Halo should have died when bungie left it. Then 10 years later brought back as a grand continuation. The problem is the games industry is they milk their brands to death. Companies need to learn to cycle their brands especially after a trilogy is completed. Trilogies should be a stopping point and devs need to move on to new things for a while. Greed ruins everything though.

>>382131749
It has a 2 weapon limit, no advanced movement abilities, regenerating health, pickups on very slow timers, and every player starts with the best gun in the game and full health/armor.

Does anyone want to play Halo: Reach?

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>>382131512
Your source is VGChartz faggot, trying doing research next time bitch.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-3
14.5 million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Halo
(head down to where it says Halo 4 on the Table of contents, ignore the chart)

>>382131569
>they couldn't figure out what made Halo interesting to Halo fans like me
>didn't play 5

lol

>>382132006
>copyright 2012
Anon, it's 2017

>>382131596
This nothing mother fucker, research. See>>382132006

>>382132006
>2012
Sp do you havw an actual 2017 source to show off to contrast VG charts' 2017 source?

>>382132028
Halo 5 is a Halo game made for people who don't like Halo.

>>382132101
Yeah and Reach stopped at 7 million, shithead. It was no longer selling after that.

>>382132028
Can't you fags just fuck off to your containment threads? Oh that's right, nobody likes Halo anymore so the Halo generals died and now you have to post here. rly makes u think...

>>382132121
See >>382131687

I don't know if you know this anon, but most people buy a game before they play it. Like, 99% of people.

Titanfall 2 is great but by your logic it must be terrible because nobody bought it.

>>382128854
>Halo 5 has the greatest multiplayer of the series.
you should stop posting about video games, anywhere

>>382132258
So, do you have a 2017 source to counter VGcharts or not?
It's a simple question.

Let me tell you kids how it really is.


>Cod rises because of mw2
>Halo reach was good but started the armor abilities thing
>Halo 4's campaign was good but multiplayer sucked
>Halo 5's campaign sucked thanks to nigger locke and false marketing but the multiplayer is good besides the low amount of real made maps and shitty war zone
>xbox one not doing as good as 360


These are the real reasons

>t.18 years old guy that played halo since he was 4/5

>>382132258
Show me a current year updated source that proves you correct.
I'm not wvwn saying you can't be right, but you need to post sources that are actually up to date or else you look like a bumbling idiot.

>>382131902
>It has a 2 weapon limit
Hardly relevant
>no advanced movement abilities
Part of making it accessible, doesn't make it CS though. You still have to make use of basic movement techniques to have any chance, if you just run around with your feet on the ground you get destroyed. There is still an emphasis on movement and mobility, while CS is all about recoil control that discourages mobility.
>regenerating health
>pickups on very slow timers
Depends on the game, and the game mode.
>every player starts with the best gun in the game and full health/armor.
Only in Halo 1 because they accidentally made the pistol OP right before release.

>>382132397
>>382132476
He won't post a source. He tried to do it in the /hg/ thread and got blown out there too. The latest he can find is 2012.

>>382132452
Oh yeah the halo 5 engine and graphics also suck compared to 3 and h2a which are the best btw. Fuck shitty halo reach elite designs

>>382127069
Yeah Jul mdama getting got in a cutscene at the end of the first mission was stupid as fuck

>>382132552
It's sigmund anyway. Ignore him.
The guy sucks more 343 dicks than... well, you get it

>>382132182
See>>382132258
I'm going to start reporting any mother fucker that uses VGChartz as a source, it should be a bannable offense like it is on other forum websites since the site is UNRELIABLE.

>>382132663
Anon, I'm just asking you for an up to date modern day source.
2012 was FIVE AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

>>382132663
>being this butthurt
So you don't have a modern source, got it.

>>382132476
>>382132552
See>>382132663
Reported

>>382130382
Halo 2 didn't lie about having split-screen, nor did it lie about master chief being the main character

Ey fags, tell me this. Friend of mine bought an Xbone the other (lol what a fool) and I'm thinking of bringing over my copy of Reach for some good old Firefight.

How does Reach splitscreen run on Xbone back compat? You do have friends coming over to play with you, don't you?

>>382131746
you are a fucking moron.

>>382132529
>Hardly relevant
It's pretty relevant. Quake was about building up your arsenal for each fight. In Halo, you just hit the Y button and you're ready to go.
> if you just run around with your feet on the ground you get destroyed.
Jumping was heavily discouraged in the first game. Bouncing around was only really viable in Halo 2.
>Depends on the game, and the game mode.
They all have some form of regenerating health(shields), and the pickups have always been on pretty slow timers.
>Only in Halo 1 because they accidentally made the pistol OP right before release.
Every Halo game afterward has had BR or DMR starts. The Pistol was always intended to be a good gun.

>>382132552
>>382132624
>>382132759
>>382132815
It doesn't matter. None of this matters.
It wouldn't matter if Halo 4 sold 3 times more than Reach, the point as stated here >>382131512 and >>382131687 is that the fact of the matter is Halo 4's sales are not a metric of its quality. It is objectively, by all metrics of popularity once the game was out and in people's hands, hated. It is in the halo community and gaming community at large, a less popular game than Halo Reach. By a significant margin. And that's why this guy is so butthurt.

>>382132925
Reach is finally playable in multiplayer but campaign is still AAAAAAH tier for frame rates on Xbox One. Obviously split screen is a bit of a mess as well, but it's playable in multiplayer.

>>382132759
>>382132815
Case and point, you better stop using unreliable sales figures, if you want actual sells look for the NPD, wait for the company to tell it, or ask people in the industry how well this shit sold, stop using VGChartz they are always wrong, you would think after the Other M fiasco, you dumb fuckers would stop using the site.

>>382133034
This triggers the /hg/

>>382133001
> Quake was about building up your arsenal for each fight. In Halo, you just hit the Y button and you're ready to go.
The entire multiplayer (bar some game modes) literally revolve around power weapons and where they are on the map. You make it seem like you'll always be fine no matter what weapon you have. That's just not true.

>>382131081
He's literally the only one left who starts Halo 5 sessions

>>382132925
>reach
throw that piece of shit in the dumpster
>firefight
and then kill yourself after

>>382128854

Don't listen to all the other faggots replying to this post. You are technically right about H5 having the best MP. It's the most balanced, the smoothest etc.

BUT, it also highlights why the game failed. Halo may have been one of the primogenitors for the MLG E-Sports MUH COWMPETITIVE" bullshit, but at it's heart Halo was popular BECAUSE OF THE SETTING. The art direction, the music and the lore is what actually gave the game its staying power. 343i taking a massive fat shit on those concepts is ultimately what killed the franchise.

That, and just good old fashioned time and changing tastes. No franchise stays popular forever.

>>382133172
See >>382133034

We have given up on you using a modern source. You clearly don't have one. But nothong you spout will change the fact that Reach is a more liked game than 4.

>>382133212
In most of the Halo games, a headshot weapon is more than enough to hold your own. Not like Halo's gameplay style is bad or wrong, it's just not very much of an arena shooter.

>>382133135
thx fag

you guys enjoy raping that copse i'm sure e3 2018 is going to be great. hahahaha

i was sad too. nothing lasts forever.

>>382133308
Nah. Halo 5 is a dumpsterfire.

>>382118015
I wish they'd just admit it's dead and release the old, good games on PC for nostalgia's sake.

>>382130896
Does halo pc multiplayer still work? I quit a long long long time ago, but used to be really good.

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>>382132832
>>382132847
>announcing reports

>>382133245
Could be worse, he coupd be playong 5 """firefight"""

>>382133512
Oh God don't remind me. 5 just keeps raping my childhood.

>>382132237
>>382132286
>bitching about a game you didn't play
lol

>>382133512
>implying WZ FF is bad
It's "Firefight" in name only but it's a fun mode on it's own.

>>382133308
Meh, I disagree. Most people I've talked dispise 5 and dropped it. I still play it but I'd hardly consiser it that competitive. What a joke of a ranking system. But whatever. As long as you like it that's really all that matters. Gotta grind those reqs.

>>382133001
>It's pretty relevant. Quake was about building up your arsenal for each fight.
Not really, it was about grabbing the best weapons you could and using them until you ran out of ammo. Good map control allowed you to scoop up more ammo, or grab something else that was better and you switched to that. Having an arsenal only really served to give you fallback options if your map control faltered.
>Jumping was heavily discouraged in the first game. Bouncing around was only really viable in Halo 2.
None of the Halo games have any penalty for jumping around at all, there is no in air accuracy modifier or anything like that in play. The only thing you could say discouraged it is the default control schemes.
>Every Halo game afterward has had BR or DMR starts.
Halo 2 you started with the SMG, Halo 3 the AR, and Reach had loadouts which is where the arena shooter elements started faltering. In 2/3 you only ever started with BRs in the MLG game modes.
>The Pistol was always intended to be a good gun.
Jason Jones accidentally doubled the pistols damage right before they shipped the game. He wanted to give it a slight damage boost but by mistake gave it a damage multiplier rather than just adding damage.

>>382118015
It's literally not more complicated than "343 industries". Halo was Bungie's child and they gave it love, care, and attention. To 343 Halo is just a cash grab and they will throw in whatever sleazy change they can make if they think it will make a few bucks, be it "perks", weapon loadouts, armor abilities, sprint, microtransactions, etc. All to cater to a wider audience

>>382133662
Warzone firefight is terrible

>>382133605
I own Halo 5. It's not "the best multiplayer since Halo 2" like you guys proclaim. Halo 2 MP wasn't even that good compared to Halo 3 (Yes, Halo 3 was better than Halo 2. Deal with it)

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>>382118015
ok here is what I think broke Halo

Good old Halo used to be SUBLIME. It had mystery, a great atmosphere, a world that felt huge, all wrapped up with our modern military. You were feeling SMALL in older Halo games.

343 took the sublime elements out of Halo. They revealed the forerunners, elevated humans as a race, and ruined the sense of the vast world old Halo games had. They took the foundations out of the building while improving existing floors so the whole thing collapsed.

>>382133774
>opinions

>>382133662
>implying WZ FF is bad
It's worse than bad. It's abysmal

>>382133662
Warzone Firefight is a bullet sponge mistake and clusterfuck of design. It's a terribly designed mode.

>>382133397
Then let's stop talking about sales numbers because it's just going to get the ones with unreliable sources in trouble.

If Microsoft and 343 weren't retarded they could have let Bungie go after Halo 3 to work on Destiny and put Halo on break for 5 years and came out with Halo 4. At least the game would have been built from Halo 3's engine instead of Reach's. Plus we would have never gotten ODST and Reach and that would have been great.

>>382131871
Halo 4 fucked up the series, but 5 outright killed it. 343i would have to pull nothing short of a miracle to renew interest in Halo.

>>382118015
Halo Reach was divisive
Halo 4 sucked
Master Chief Collection sucked
Halo 5 was good but had a shit campaign
Nobody cared about Wars 2
Halo 3 Anniversary, the one game they needed this year to push Xbox One X, isn't happening
Halo 6 is delayed

It's dead. Halo 4 and MCC singlehandedly fucked the entire series up