E-Sports

it's not the best marketing tool if it's a niche marketing tool

>>380638237
Do people genuinely think this is a valid career path?

>>380638756

no but it lets them justify spending an ungodly amount of time on shallow games

it's like a glimmer of hope that the 3 thousand hours they invested wasn't a complete waste of time It was

>Complaining about an easy 40$ for beating people worse than you

>>380638756
My high school friends talking about salaries in league of legends and how important they where to the well being of the game. They where subconsciously talking about how they should be paid when they become "pro".

>>380638756
I litterally dropped out of university to try to become a sc2 pro.
What a fucking retard i was.
Even going to finals of european tournaments wasnt going to pay my fucking bills.
I hate myself , probably worst decision i've ever made.

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>>380639519
>look anon these 20 people made 500k over 10 years playing video games
a computer programmer makes 100k a year guaranteed income
>well playing games is fun! fuck you anon

>>380639519
sc2 is a dead fucking game. what were you thinking?

>>380640118
it was in 2010

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>op jealous of 16 year olds making a million dollars in a year

>spend a few thousand hours on dota 2
>5k mmr and nowhere near being a pro

>>380639957
You shouldn't do stuff you hate just for money. That's a good way to realise you don't want to do stuff you hate just for money.

>>380639957
>a computer programmer makes 100k a year guaranteed income
hahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>380640319
I knew a beta who spent 40 hours a week playing that game in high school.

He was getting shit grades.
He didn't have a GF.
He talked to me and three other people at most.
He probably had autism.

It was the only thing that let him feel superior to people.
It also red pilled me on how shitty betas are when they start to feel superior to people.

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>>380638460
>MOBAs
>Niche

>gaming keyboard
>gaming mouse
>gaming glasses
>gaming chair

If you own any of these you're a gullible retard.

>>380640725
only the number 1 team gets to make millions
being an esports pro isn't as good as you think

competing is fun though

the thrill of the battle is what drives me. I don't think I'll make top 8 or anything close to that, but tournaments are fun places with cool people and nothing beats the rush of beating down a challenging opponent

>>380640902

make, not keep

People play for fun for a decade then decide to try becoming a pro. No one decides to become pro without being 99% there.

>>380641082
>only the number 1 team gets to make millions
wrong

>>380640902
not him but a buddy of mine is making 90k out of college working at IBM

>>380640905
>beta
>He didn't have a GF.
>>>/b/

>>380640963
I use a death adder but mostly because it fits my hand best of the mice I tried

Keyboard is some Logitech shit idk

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>>380640902
a database engineer makes more than 100k actually.
If you have a math background you can make 150k easy.

Even web dev shit makes 70k+ a year.

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>>380641407
I'm making 24k

>>380641612
What was your degree?

>>380641580
>Even web dev shit makes 70k+ a year.
Front end or back end?

>>380641392
literally right if we're referring to league of legends. streaming is a whole different job compared to tournaments, anon. not everyone on the team is a streamer

>>380641580
>taking shit like glass ceiling averages as indications of entry level dev pay
>thinking the tech sector isn't fucking flooded
>thinking that even if it weren't you wouldn't have to compete with H1B's
Tech is having a real wage problem for new hires. If you're 50-60 already and got in when the getting was good, yeah, you've got a fat fucking salary but for people 20-35 wages are low and turnover is high.

>>380638756
The people who do see progress in it, if you're good you'll be scouted.

only thing I hate about it is so many people playing mobas because they're free when there are better competitive games that don't drain an hour for each match

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>>380641612
>English degree
>making 24k
>could easily make more with my experience if I wasn't a socially anxious wreck

>>380640923
Actually pretty accurate.

>>380641407
>working at IBM
He's very lucky, IBM is one of the few companies that tends to treat their employees incredibly well, though even they have reduced benefits and wages a shitload compared to a decade ago

>>380639119
Just think how many single player games a person could beat in 3000 hours.

>>380641808
I dont have a degree, i'm a java dev working in W.europe.
1 year of experience.

I'm on a pro rocket league team, and have earned nearly 80,000 from our combined winnings. btw, I'm only 19, still earning my degree on the side, and will likely have enough money to buy a home and pay off my school debt by the time I graduate.

if you're good enough to walk the path, go for it.

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>>380641943
>art degree
>teaching
>50k a year
>1/4 of the year off
>ez job
>only have to work ~5 hours of the day
>brought my switch to work and played the kids in mario kart all week

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>>380641553
I use a Microsoft keyboard and a Microsoft mouse.

The keyboard is use is shit for gaming but you can type on it for days without feeling tired.
I feel sorry for the mechanical keyboard idiots on /g/.

>>380640794
If you are a true master of your mind you will be able to make yourself enjoy what you are doing.

What do you want to achieve?
How will you achieve your goals?

If you see yourself doing great things go out and do those great things.
If you want to spend your life enjoying the pleasures of this world go ahead and don't let others tell you not to.

>>380642147
>pro rocket league
jesus christ, you white people disgust me. get some taste

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>>380640963
>nice clicky keys that feel good and take a beating
>extra buttons to take stress away from keyboard hand
>agreed
>also retarded

it more how much did you spend on these things.

BTW those out door gravity chair things are amazing for gaming got one as a graduation present and god i use it for everything, its fucking perfect

>>380642298
>you will be able to make yourself enjoy what you are doing
That's not a thing anon.

Also I wouldn't exactly classify CS as either "the pleasures of the world" or "doing great things". Or "achieving any goals".

>>380641943
what do you do with yours

im planning on going to japan to teach english

>>380638756
A lot of people that played BW were highly intelligent and when their e-sports careers were done they moved on to other, more fulfilling and profitable endeavors.
A lot of old western pros started doing poker and winning big at tournaments or got enrolled in some of the best universities in STEM degrees like Idra that went for a physics degree I think in Berkeley.
Nowadays most LoL "pros" look like chubby highschool dropouts so I really don't know what they do/will do when their career ends

>>380642262

>comp sci
>infosec
>started at 64k
>ez job
>work hour a day a week
>work from home whenever playing video games for 6 hours on shift

we can all wave dicks that does sound more fulfilling though

>>380642262
>Being that one teacher who brings vidya systems to class
>Can get away with it as discussion of games as an artistic medium when it's not a "I'm gonna fuck off for real" day
You're a good man, Filthy Frogposter.

>>380642262
I was going to be a teacher, but I got kicked out of my education program for talking about masturbation

>>380642015

yes, they're also one of the biggest offshoring corporations out there, so some things aren't adding up here

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>>380638237
He speeksu gut eengurish

>>380642119
That poster was probably talking about American incomes. Software developers in Europe (and Europeans in general) tend to make much less than their American counterparts.

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>tfw gonna graduate with CS degree in December but still haven't gotten any internships

>>380642541
yea i fully recognize i'll never break 3 figures, but in a couple of years i'll jump to art director for a few so i can retire making ~100k a year.

I think I'd get bored and want to die at a normal job. Plus I have an enormous amount of free time already and spend it online. I dont know what i'd do if i was a borderline neet while employed. I'd also probably slack off and eventually get in trouble.

I like kids and I like art, so it works.

>>380642541
sounds comfy how did you get it?

>>380641812
Full stack web developers make 70k
if you know SQL, JS and angular you can make 70k.
Take a year off and learn these technologies.

>>380641840
you're an idiot.

>>380642119
you're an for not getting a degree.
companies use your degree to negotiate wages with you.

>wow look at this no degree cuck getting paid more than a masters degree HR female
we cant have that anon it would be sexist!

>>380642732
i also host pokemon trading card club to keep the school from banning them :^). It's fun but it hooked me in on the gambling from opening packs and i wasted like 1500 dollars. Thankfully I got control of the addiction and don't give a shit anymore. I was able to recoup 800 dollars back via ebay.

>>380642741
what the fuck, what is the context

>>380642946

i started as s lowly support tech, paid for infosec certs out of pocket and applied for better positions internally as the opened up. eventually we hired a new director to start the infosec department and i applied, he said i showed that i cared about the field so thats why i was picked

>>380639957
Good luck getting 100k starting.

>>380642901
>like kids
Pedo alert.

>father says obvious shit like "You know you wont make money from playing Dota, gotta have a real job, don't look at tournaments, etc"
>have to explain that I have no intention to play games as a job
>meanwhile he spends money on pay2win shooters and even some space browser game-tier mmo
>friends in a dorm say "Why are you playing Doter if you are better than everyone you play with and aren't even going to be a pro"
>have to explain that I have no intention to play games as a job
>the other one says "You are playing singleplayer games a lot too why don't you stream"
>have to explain that I have no intention to play games as a job
At least now nobody even bothers me with shit questions.

>>380642901

good man, keep on keeping on

>>380643132
>pack opening
I will agree, the thrill of opening packs and seeing that 1 thing is hard to beat.
Which is why I just hoard gold in hearthstone for new expansions.

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>>380643132
I was forced to teach a bunch of 13 year olds about a book where the protagonist lectures the reader about masturbation. I decided to address it, and I got kicked out a day later.

It was rigged from the start.

>>380638237

>Riot talks about how they lose money on esports
>When it's a giant advertising campaign for champions, skins, the game, etc.

Sad!

>>380643382
>Forced to teach some kids about a book and its topic
>Talking about the topic got you fired
What.

>>380643382
>American education

fact: you have more chance of being professional football player earning millions for doing nothing that being a professional esport player that no one cares about and dislike in public

>>380643382
That sounds stupid and like you took it like a bitch

>>380640794
It's not like they are forcing you to sucking cocks, I wanted to became a sailor from the navy, instead here I am studying chemical engineering
It's not so bad
also
>programming=/=playing games

>>380642897
are you white? that is a problem.
indians and chinese employers are very tribal about hiring. White employers are not very tribal so you are competing with asians and indians for positions in these companies and are flat out blocked from companies what have majority indian or chinese employees.

Good luck getting a job anon.

>>380643246
fuck off you literal retard, don't project onto me

>>380643382
like you addressed it with the class? you are dumb my man, but that does sound rigged to a degree

Is an Information Technology degree worth it?

>>380643763
Do you want to learn how to make a Worm game in 3 years?

>everyone throwing around salary numbers without even considering that each state has different averages
If you make $100k in texas, you are quite literally living like a king. No programming positions down here will start you off that high, and doubtful that even 10+ year vets are making that much.

>"hurr durr, I live in illinois and started with 90k fresh out of school"
good for you

>>380643532
I was literally escorted out the day after without warning by a police officer. The teacher I was cooperating with didn't say a thing to me.

>>380643748
The teacher later told me I was supposed to "ignore the chapter and move on."

>>380640923
Neogaf is complete shit but I gotta say they're definitely more knowledgeable about the industry as a whole. Can't count how many /v/bros I've seen who don't even know which popular developers make which popular games.

>>380643992
>tfw texas and 50k

feels good man, i can live in a super nice apartment and get a house when I want to. just dont fall for living IN dallas/austin/etc meme, you'll be doubling your prices

>>380641580
>tfw I have CS masters and NEET

>>380644073
This desu, most people on this board know jack shit about the industry besides the names of a few Japanese pubs and developers.

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>>380641812
>not being full stack

>>380643918
you're retarded

>>380643763
only if IT is something you're even into

>>380638237
I never understood this mentality.

Sure, for a brief few months I thought I could go pro and make money if I invested all my time into the game, but never once did I think of spending money to get there. Game knowledge and skill determine that, not money. I bought a few skins here and there, but that was because I wanted them.

I have no remorse for people who got "tricked" into spending money on the game for anything. But I guess I should thank them for supporting a game I enjoy.

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>>380640923
>tfw I play Bemani games

>>380643992
>If you make $100k in texas, you are quite literally living like a king.
Wow, anon, that sucks.

>>380642532
agreed. pro gamers from BW, Quake and others, basically the first generation of pro gamers, weren't completely deluded idiots for the most part. just compare this to the amount of highschoolers who refuse to continue their studies nowadays just so they can grind 15h of LoL/Overwatch/Counter Strike or whatever in the hopes they'll one day be pro and be salaried

it's complete fucking stupidity. if you're going for e-sports, at least have a solid plan B. even if you make it, e-sports is never a long term option anyway

>>380639519
at least you're not a gradecuck

>>380644717
yeah texas does suck, its hot as shit, MOST people are rednecks/cultural retards, but its the best state in the south and its inexpensive. so unless you plan to live up north, there is no reason not to live here.

>>380640923
Kek this is so bad? Bemani --> niche??? They're the most popular Japanese rhythm game producer by far. Their stuff is all over Japanese arcades, being knowledgeable on them doesn't make you a "hardcore gamer."

>>380644865
Living in America is a mistake. Living in the south is suicide-worthy.

>>380644924
Don't be dumb.

>>380644490
>start playing
$10 for a single character? Do they think i'm stupid?
>1 month of grinding later
wow i only unlocked two characters...I mean $20 for a month is nothing.
I'm not even paying for power since I only use one character at a time.

>>380640902

>tfw flunked out of my CS program

wanna die desu

Wow, the guy who made this comic's got it all figured out. Look at how smart this guy is, he's on a whole other level! Are you telling me that PROFESSIONAL SPORTS only exist for M O N E Y ?????

>>380638237
I had a Chinese roomate last year who spent upwards of a hundred bucks on H1Z1 cosmetics. When I asked him about it he mentioned some of his other (also Chinese) friends dropped over a thousand on them.

Shits weird yo. I'm too cheap to spend money on cosmetics.

>>380643246
What a numbskull.

>>380644148
my cousin fell for the austin meme. her rent is high as shit, and she makes just under $42k. I predict she'll come crawling back to houston soon enough.

I've talked to plently of OW players who can go pro but they refuse. Some people actually hate the idea of doing e-sports because of how much it is a waste of time.

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>>380645145
>Are you telling me that PROFESSIONAL SPORTS only exist for M O N E Y ?????
Umm...i'm not too sure about the fans but I am 100% sure that the people who run these things don't care about the act of kicking a ball around a field for hours.

>>380643652

what the fuck are you talking about

>>380642897
don't even worry about it, i left without an internship and a CS degree, turned out just fine >>380642541

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>>380645658
>pro overwatch

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is a videogamer a athlete?

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>>380646530
>make game
>get some bum off the street to "shout cast" it
>its now an esport

>>380646610
Only If you count chess, darts, poker players as athletes
But ultimately the name doesn't matter that much

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>he isn't content with being a bum

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>>380641814
>if we're referring to league of legends

>>380638756
About as valid as the guys who play real sports.

>>380647345
I would qualify dart players as athlethes yeah.

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That Kronovi guy got pretty rich off it.

>>380647524
>b-b-ut real sports
why do e-sports fags keep brining up real sports when no one mentioned them?

>Everyone thinking they're going to be making 6 figure incomes with their degrees

Reality will hit hard

>>380647809
E-sports autists tend to be literal children who think not liking real sports makes them better than normies

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>competitive gaming
>game has a high skill ceiling and is popular due to it's game mechanics allowing for good competition and deep and rewarding gameplay

>esports (e.g. rocket league, overwatch, smash 4)
>game is not good for competitive play and is shallow with a low skill ceiling
>the game is only popular because it's accessible and sponsors pour money into it so they can market gamer chairs to 15 year olds

Know the difference.

>>380643992

I'm from Illinois, there are no jobs like that here. 90k is a fucking distant dream. What a shit state

>>380642541
I make less doing the same thing, but remote working is the best shit ever

>>380647809
because esports is based on sports?

>>380638237
It's eerie how much this mirrors the american dream

>>380640905
And here you are, blogging about how jealous you are.

Sounds like your friend had the better life.

>>380648324
This. Sadly, the former is completely dead.

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>Watching E3
>Overwatch clone comes up
>E sports announcer jumps in
>HOLY SHIT HE ACTIVATED THE BUBBLE
>HOW ARE THEY GOING OH OH OH HE'S TAKING HIM OUT
>THE BUBBLE WINS IT FOLKS

How do people not cringe when they see this shit? How does that guy go home at night and look at himself in the mirror without crying?

>>380638756
No, but it's nice to dream.

>>380649818
I feel like the fake VOIP thing that Ubisoft is worse

Some of the Dota pros are pretty much set for life if they're not retarded with their money.

>>380645030
> Grinding

So what, you played like 10 matches in month and consider that grinding? You're a limp noodle is what you are.

>>380649818
In fact, that example was WORSE because it was "someone from Mixer" activating the bubble.

The game is designed to allow the Microsoft version of Twitch chat to influence the outcome of the game.

They are trying to make a game that does that into an e-sport.

>>380638237
>you never spoke to the millions of Chinese boys
Prove to me that you did first, dipshit.

Burden of proof is on you.

>>380638237
>gwailo so mad about losing to chinamen he spent irreplaceable minutes of his life making this for $0

>>380644924
>"Note: None of these groups or games are mutually exclusive"

>>380649678
Melee ain't dead yet