Sonic Mania

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It's sad to see the sonic fandom are more hyped for Sonic Forces because a OC maker.

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>>380503076
>all these recycled levels that have already been remade
For FUCK'S SAKE JUST GIVE US SONIC 4

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS FUCK EVERYTHING UP JUST A TINY BIT EVERY SINGLE TIME

It's sad to see the sonic fandom are more hyped for Sonic Forces.
Because of a OC maker

>2 Sonic games
>Sonydomination
>Monster Hunter world skips Switch
>No MHXX
sad year to be a nintendo fan

>>380503602
>expecting a small team of 3 people would get a deal to make a brand new 2D sonic game
Sega may do this if Sonic Mania sell well

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>>380503602
>SONIC 4

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>Open video
>No over the shoulder camera
>No cutscenes
>No press X to win
>No esports commentator

So basically Sonic wins e3?

>>380503602
>he didn't see act 2
dumb frogposter

>>380503076
So a couple of game journos, one of which was Giant Bomb got an early preview of the game and mentioned that one of the bosses was Puyo Puyo, I'm betting that that's gonna be the Chemical Plant boss.

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>>380503076
I'm a bit disappointed that Chemical Plant Act.1 is more like the original than even Green Hill's was, the new path looked nice though. Act.2 on the other hand makes me want to cum bricks.

>>380503709
>World on PC
>Switch isn't region locked
>Nintendo still crushing Sony

>>380504832
>Chemical Plant Act.1 is more like the original
What are you talking about? The majority of it was a brand new layout, hell even that underwater block climb section had the blocks move in a new pattern compared to the original, at least as far as I can remember.

>>380504804
I'm certain it is. Another previewer mentioned laughing out loud at the CPZ boss, which matches that puyo comment/

>>380506150
Not to mention the fact fact that act 2 is filled with all kinds of slime and goo gimmicks, it's a perfect fit to reference Mean Bean Machine. But speaking of gimmicks, the way you make the blocks move in a stair patter is the same as in Star Light, so that's dead.

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>>380503076
>Forces will outsell this despite being critically inferior on every level

Fucking clown world.

HOW CAN POLYGON BE SO BAD AT VIDEO GAMES? JESUS CHRIST.

>all those alternatives on Chemical Plant

Both acts will have much shit to explore

>>380503430
That's how it is. Those guys don't even care about more gameplay footage, or a 2nd level to show to see shit other than a corridor level for modern Sonic

>>380504832
Look better. Both acts have more paths or shortcuts or hidden passages. You didn't noticed because "blast process" or the springs pulling Sonic back to another path

>>380507884
What are you talking about? The person playing was pretty competent at the game

>>380508227
>using Tails assist for no reason
>getting hit by baby tier enemies
>NOT GOING FAST

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>>380505691
>>380508047
Alright, I replayed Chemical Plant in Sonic 2 just now, there are only 2 new paths in this video but they mixed original Act.1 & 2 a lot closer together than I noticed since Sonic took what would normally be the big shortcut in Sonic 2 is now part of the normal path now.

It took him about 50 seconds to get to one of those brand new paths and it stops 30 seconds later to an older one (0:54-1:18). This happens again at 2:18-to the end of the video and even then that's mostly the same layout as the old game but you go there as a new path that leads to those block stairs things instead of it just being a punishment with for you failing to jump on a moving platform, also they changed the 1-up to a Bubble Shield in this case.

After replaying the original & seeing them mashed together so closely in the beginning, I'm not worried now. Also at 0:34 they fucked up by making the background part of the ground, they'll probably fix it but I noticed that.

>>380503076
Finally some clear audio for Green Hill act 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdCTS4QTNQ&feature=youtu.be

>>380508575
...k

>>380509212
Holy shit that's good. Very sega saturn.

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>>380509212
>you can run out room at the boss

>Green Hill and Chemical Plant are back for Forces and Mania
>both were already in Generations
if you have to rehash levels from 1 and 2 why not rehash literally anything but the two levels that you already brought back? what the fuck is sega's problem?

>>380509958
Please tell me you're joking about chemical plant in forces

>>380510353
Characters mention a chemical plant multiple times.

https://youtu.be/fyTzm8WgtlE

>>380510784
Fuck sake Forces has nothing original going for it. Well, aside for the OCs

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>>380509212
Fucking finally, this shit is jamming, it just screams fun.

>>380504832
Pretty much this. Act 2 is so new that it more than makes up for Act 1's lack of new.

>>380509212
I know it's a r*ddit meme but: eargasm

>>380509096
Gathering everything from the various videos of Mania, there are more paths actually. Like the tubes goes into 3 to 4 directions, instead of just 2 in each main-tube in the original

>>380509958
The problem is Iizuka because of his games

>>380510353
Silver mentions Chemical Plant to CA's green hill level, like "don't worry about chemical plant, we are handling that". I hope is just a mention, but Forces is sure forcing too much shit from Generations and even Mania, which is a scary thought

>>380512401
That's a reddit meme now? I thought it was just really old 2007 internet lingo.

>>380513369
Everything currently attributed to reddit is just how people acted on the internet a decade ago it seems.

Spacing sentences out in a post?
Unironically enjoying something and expressing as much?
Using emoticons?
Internet shorthand lol?
Reddit or 2006? You decide!

>>380503613
>>380503430
how do you make the same typo twice

>>380509958
Forces probably has a shit budget, so they are reusing assets.

>>380503076
>>380509212
Holy fuck, this looks better than anything Nintendo has shit out at this year's E3.
It's like as if Metallica finally made a good thrash metal album again after And Justice For All.

https://youtu.be/uB9RP2SV8HY
this desert level looks really good, don't give a fuck about green hill zone or chemical plant

Guys. What if sonic actually beats Mario this year.

>>380514941
starts at 2:50

>>380514941
I've been waiting to play this fucking desert zone since I was like 7 years old

>>380503076
Sonic Mania is probably the first Sonic game I've been excited for in 15 years.

Sonic Forces just looks like Generations 2, and I personally didn't care for Generations.

So the remixed levels seem to follow a pattern so far: Act 1 is (mostly) old shit retooled to look/sound pretty, and Act 2 gets a bunch of crazy new shit thrown in, completely changing how the level's experienced?

Sounds good to me. I'm sold.

So how many people here never played a 3D Sonic?

I think many people simply didn't get a Sega consol after the genesis compared to a PS or N64.

>>380516484
>dose delicious physics

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>>380503602
agreed. at first i was exciting because it was like "holy shit, a new proper 2D sonic game". but then i just started hearing more bad news, seeing full levels, its the same shit but rearranged. should have been called sonic remix or something. mania makes it sounds like theres an explosion of creativity and shit. ill just pirate it or wait until its $5 or some shit, $20 is way to much if its all old stuff being repurposed for such a simplistic game.

>>380517074
Before you answer, remember that Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations don't count as 3D Sonic games. They are Modern Sonic games, sure, but if the game is more than 50% side-scrolling then it ain't a 3D Sonic game.

>>380503076
Ohh, that updated drowning theme.

>>380517074
The last one I played was Sonic '06

NEVER AGAIN

>>380503709
>2 Sonic games
>Both on Nintendo Switch
>Implying anyone still gives a shit about the old Nintendo-Sega rivalry

did anyone mote that the music sounds fucking DISGUSTING?

i love the classic gemesis osts, but this "remastering" is just really, really bad.

>>380517074
I played through all the ones that had Gamecube releases (Adventure DX, Adventure 2 Battle, Heroes, Shadow)

I generally liked them, but overall felt that they were average compared to Mario's 3D offerings, and the PS2 big 3.

>>380519107
The remastered music sounds fine to me.

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>>380518343
>The last one I played was 06
Considering that 06 and Unleashed were the last actual 3D Sonic games, saying that doesn't really mean much. Have you tried Utopia?

>>380519107
I don't see much issue with the music, I've been jamming to most of it beyond the Act.1s which have been just fine, the closest song that's bothered me so far is Flying Battery Act.1 and that's just because it feels like it's lacking the oomph the original had if that makes any sense.

>>380519273
it pretty much nails the bass at least. the rest i find pretty unpleasant desu.

i guess i could get used to it over time tho

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>>380509212
>That boss theme

>>380517740
Then the last ones are... Heroes, Shadow, 06 and those wii games...? Then Heroes was the last.

I won't to forget i ever played 3d Blast for the megadrive though and think either Sonic Jam or R were the first 3d one.

>>380519107
It seems that some like and others don't. It's not some mindblowing thing where almost everyone gets hyped about

>>380508575
They were demonstrating the level and tails' abilities

>>380519681
I'll agree on Flying Battery being off. It sounds like they de-emphasised the guitars, making it sound less like a rock-ish song.

>>380519107
Holy shit you can't spell at all.

>>380516816

Agreed. Although I would have preferred both acts to have a bunch of new stuff. If I wanted to play that level I would play the original games. I hope act 2 is at least long so I can play around a bit with the new stuff a bit before the Zone ends.

>>380519329
What about those dumbass storybook games for Wii? Also I have not tried Utopia but that WebM looks kinda interdasting

>>380517630
Have you actually watched the gameplay? Most of the old levels are completely redesigned, specifically the second acts. And the new zones look great so far.

>>380516484
everytime this is posted in a sonic thread, i open it and watch it through. it's become a habit now.

>>380503430
i'm gonna be beyond pissed if it doesn't give you custom hair/facial customization options

>>380521105
Judging from every gameplay I've seen so far, all the second acts look like they're about twice as long as the originals

>>380521141
Utopia is more about introducing a fun movement system that makes you feel like you're playing the Sonic CD opening. The level design is a bit bland with not a whole lot to do, so try not to judge it based on that and consider it just a "what if Sonic played like this?" sort of thing.

>>380503430
I wonder what would happen if they announce a map editor for mania.

>>380518343
So fun fact I try to play sonic 06 once every 5 years mostly so I can appreciate other games more and also because my suffering is fun to watch and drink with people to

>>380521287
>it's become a habit now.
Same as posting it in every Mania thread, but I get you, I watch it every time too.

>>380521640
You're probably so good at the game now that you accidentally make it look good.

Am I the only one who dislikes the trashy dialogue in forces?
It feels so stupid and reminds me of the dark age of Sonic Adventure 2. Shadow, Heroes, etc

>>380519107
The only one I haven't cared for is the chemical plant act 1. The DUH DUH DUH is pretty fucking grating in that one. Rest is fine.

>>380521761
No friend there is no being good at sonic 06, there is only being less bad

>>380521141
>>380521480
The level design (or the lack of it I guess) isn't final either. The final is confirmed to be more compact while still offering multiple pathways.

>>380521284
yes, the act 2 looks good. but the act 1s are very lazy. they should know by now that we have been tired of the blatant rehashing since 2010 started with sonic 4. mania and forces are BOTH reusing levels from generations. it just screams heavy budget slashes. imagine if mania had the budget of sonic unleashed and was all new? it would easily be the best game this year.

>Sonic is so shit they keep having to go back to the Genesis style
Why do they even bother anymore with these games?

>>380519891
>>380521141
Secret Rings and Black Knight aren't even true 3D Sonic games. They're not unlike Modern Sonic's playstyle in that they force you to go forward all the time.

>>380523069
Mania will perform well and get a successor with 100% original levels. Sega's giving its developers less room for originality, but once Mania smashes sales expectations, the devs will get free reign.

Screencap this post.

>>380508575
Pretty sure SEGA told them to show features like Tails co op and hidden items, etc

>>380523594
i hope so...im just worried forces will do better than it. sonic team doesnt get to experiment anymore and my favorite sonic team games are not sonic games, isnt that funny? they need to take a break for a few years, make another nights game. journey of dreams was absolutely beautiful, its one of my go to holiday games. meanwhile, this mania team can get a proper budget and free reign to make a brand new 2D sonic.

>>380521832
>Am I the only one who dislikes the trashy dialogue in forces?
What trashy dialogue? They are literally just explaining what's going on.

>>380523984
Mania doesn't really need much of a budget. If you look into its development, it's essentially being made by fans, some of whom have spent almost 20 years working on ROM hacks and disassembling classic Sonic games.

http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_Physics_Guide

You think the people who wrote this shit in their spare time for free need a budget to make a Sonic game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRjHM8wiTbg&list=PLTff_0Za6U_kc9mOY18XtsSWtfc7lffmV

This guy did his shit for free too, and he's composing Mania's music. The game will be stellar even without a "high budget" and 100% original levels, and THEN they'll get to make what you'd call a "proper" Sonic 4. Personally, I think Mania's already better than anything else I could ask for, so the next game will just be icing on the cake.

Help me /v/. Should I get this game on PC or Switch?

>>380524767
Switch if you already own one or plan on getting one regardless of Mania. PC otherwise.

>>380523163
It's not that it's shit. It's that the fanbase is shit.

And SEGA takes the fanbase's opinions on shit more seriously than any other fucking developer. So the fanbase is the reason why shit keeps being rehashed, shit goes through the roof, and then Sonic gets left behind by fucking fangames.

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>>380523594
Sonic Team (and by extension Izuka) is notorious for looking at criticisms and successes and taking the completely wrong idea out of them. If Mania does well, they'll just think it means we'll want more rehashed levels in an actual 2D game instead of a 2.5D game. I mean, that'll still be better than the alternative I guess, but it's not going to immediately mean Mania but with completely original zone themes.

>>380524767
The Sonic modding scene will get hold of info on how to mod Sonic Mania by Christian Whitehead himself, and the scene will probably explode with more stages when a modding program is made for it.

So if you want mods, go for PC. If you're not interested in that, Switch is fine.

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>>380509212
that sounds damn good

>>380523069
Not him, but while I do agree that it would've been better having just 100% new levels, I find that Mania is a few steps above Generations and 4 when it comes to handling returning stages.

>>380524924
Are there any advantages to the switch port besides portability? Because I'll have that with my laptop.

>>380524767
Switch for portability, PC for mods, take your pick. I'm going for both personally.

>>380503709
Odyssey looks far better than Forces or really any 3D Sonic game.

>>380503076
Christ they are so bad it's almost painful to watch

>>380525428
odyssey looks mediocre at best

>>380525331
would have been better if the generations picks werent picked again. should have broken conventions like sonic advance 3 or sonic unleashed where you dont start in a grassy hill. start with star light, then go with aquatic ruin or shit even take garbage like oil ocean and make it a good level.

>>380525706
I got pretty pumped hearing buzz about it being tauted as a return to 64 and Sunshine's form but seeing gameplay videos have been underwhelming as fuck.

>>380525724
I don't mind that its using a couple levels that were in Generations, because I didn't like Generations anyway.

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>>380525724
Not him, but I don't mind Mania picking these zones again because they pretty much are the best zones you could pick from each Classic Sonic game. Mania deserves to be the absolute best nostalgia Sonic game and it shouldn't have to settle for lamer secondary picks for zones to bring back just because a game that didn't play as well got to them first.

Fuck Sonic Team. Let Mania take exactly what they did and show them how to fucking do it right.

>>380526126
This.

>>380525954
>>380525706
smo is gonna suck too. the girl playing at treehouse spent like 20 minutes just looking in the most obvious spots. theres more stars, but will they take 30 seconds to find? since this is a sonic thread, anyone play sonic boom fire and ice? you remember those bonus rooms in each level you could find and then there was a simple platforming challenge to obtain a new collectible? thats exactly what SMO looks like but in 3D

looks like a disappointing game, sonicfags and nintenbros are the worst on /v/

>>380526119
>>380526126
i agree with you both. i didnt really like generations either. it had a terrible story, a really boring presentation, the classic levels sucked, and the modern levels werent anywhere near as good as sonic unleashed day levels. but the fact still stands that green hill and chemical were taken, remade, and are being taken yet again, and remade yet again. act 2 of each looks good but it feels like its whats holding the game back from being mind blowing. i have never seen smoother level design in a 2D sonic, the constant traps and bumps and ridges from the mega drive games are gone. if anything, it looks like rayman origins/legends with how free flowing it is.

>>380525706
>>380525954
>>380526280
It actually looks pretty great. The little bit shown off already shows more polish and creativity than any Mario since 64, and any 3D Sonic. It's the first 3D Mario that looks promising in fucking ages.

>>380525453
Yeah, a few of the mania gameplay vids seem to be by people who haven't played 2D sonic before. So many moments where I'm like "what the fuck are you waiting for? Get moving!"

>>380514183
This is exactly the case, the internet cringes over what was popular a while ago the way fashion from a decade or two ago is laughed at. Hell, this is basically what "fedora" is, faux-classiness from an internet long past (remember when it was common to call people on the internet "good sir"?).

>>380503076
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UGIIIp9WE
wait a second
>tails dies
>doesn't come back

>>380527006
>creativity
blow me
>any 3D Sonic
HEY GUYS I HATE 3D SONIC GAMES LOVE ME!!!

>>380527339
I like several of the 3D Sonic games though.

Is this a lot of advertisement by Japanese Standards? Because Sonic was never popular over there IIRC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-AQ0Kh8HIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYws2ZFHviU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T200vPzlff0

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>>380527006
Wake me up when they showcase raw platforming segments worth shaking my dick at. So far all I've seen is kiddie tier early level shit and it's boring as fuck. Even Galaxy had better openings.

>Muh creativity bonus round
First two minutes of:
>64
Castle with camera man being the literal camera and cryptic locked doors with painting dimensions behind them.
>Sunshine
Evil splooge everywhere. Mario's been framed. Talking robot water tank.
>Galaxy
Spheroid platforming among the stars
>Odyssey
New York. Complete with normal proportioned humans.

>>380514941
hey it sounds like they updated Mirage Saloon Zone's music

>>380525031
This is why we need a bilingual mole in these situations. Someone who can connect with both parties.

>>380517074
I played adventure 1 on gamecube
from my perspective, I went from sonic 1-3 to 3d blast, which I hated, to adventure, which I also hated, to thinking "sonic is dead" and just not giving a fuck until generations.

I'm glad I never had to experience 2006 desu.

>never gonna get a chaos angel remade

>>380528173
Every Mario, every single one, has had easy opening segments. As far as creativity, I was referring to level design and collectable placement. Sunshine starts with cleaning paint to make the shine appear, which isn't creative and is boring to boot (like most of that game). Galaxy is the tutorial invasion thing. 64's opening is great but there's a reason my previous post said "since 64" and not "including 64".

>>380529040
>hated 3D Blast
>hated Adventure
What is with Sonic fans on /v/ having shit taste?

>>380529384
You know what's easy to show at a convention through the magic of video editing and demo roms? Later levels. Nothing shown from Odyssey has displayed a demand for technical merit thus far.

Fair enough on creativity. I feel Mario's been sort of coasting on laurels for a while anyway. Like it's all "creative", out there and seemingly imaginative in a surface level sort of way but doesn't feel it at all.

I just see it getting no better with Odyssey.

>>380529495
It was utter shit m8. I don't know how you could tolerate anything about it.
The only remotely acceptable part was the sonic stages, and you'd still need to improve on them massively before they became actually acceptable.

>>380528207
you heard that too? nice. either that or, like in earlier promo videos, they used act 1's music for both acts, and this is act 2's - though it doesn't sound different ENOUGH for that to be the case.

good ear.

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>>380503076
>the underwater part

Pretty hyped for this.
>Mania includes one of my favourite Sonic levels ever
>Act 1 is more or less the same as the original
>Act 2 is where they get crazy and remix it
>Act 2 has a bunch of new shit that fits the theme and looks fun as fuck to play
>Act 2 isn't autist-tier in terms of difficulty given a fag at Polygon can play it without much trouble
My one complaint is Act 2 looks way too fucking long.

>>380503076
>drowning theme is not remixed
Tee Lopes do your fucking work

How mad would you guys be if Mania is connected to Forces?

>>380532210
It won't be.

>>380532150
But it is.

>>380532150
It's a bit different.

>>380530749
If you're talking about Chemical Plant the one thing I noticed is that they created this two loop set piece and it repeats a few times.

>>380532210
>caring about the story in Sonic
They could make it a direct sequel to Sonic 06 or Boom and I wouldn't care.

>>380503602
>For FUCK'S SAKE JUST GIVE US SONIC 4
They did. It was 2.5D garbage.

I'm slightly agitated that they've gone and spoiled hale the game

>>380533203
>>>/ic/

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>>380533630
>implying i made this

>>380530749
We haven't seen all of Act 2 plus the player took his time with exploring a bit. It might not be THAT long.

when will we see more of that utena level

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>>380533984
No more new stage reveals until the game's out. No demo either.

>>380533715
It's still shit though. Prevent yourself from posting this ever again. Also, I know another thread for this:
>>>/trash/

>>380528728
Aaron Webber

>>380530749
the polygon guy was playing very slowly. I doubt this game will have acts longer than the average sonic 3&k level

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>>380534343
nah

>>380524596
At this point I feel like people are trying to force themselves to hate Forces more than they actually do.

does Knuckles have different routes in this game?

>>380525405

It looks great on the screen and its portable. That's kinda it.

God damn Aaron again.
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/864888765763919872

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>>380525428
actually Forces looks like Colors 2 and Colors > Super Mario 3D world.

>>380535272

He did in Mirage Saloon Act 2. Webber did a stream where he showed one off and it wasn't just the new starting area.

Nothing as expansive as Angel Island's act 2 has been confirmed though.

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>>380535594
>those threads talking about hotglueing Peach amiibo

>Vanquish and Bayonetta PC ports
>wants to do PC ports of Persona and Yakuza
>Sanic Mania cashes in on nostalgia, but is cheap and isn't garbage
>Sanic Forces finally lets you embarace your inner autist
Is SEGA finally getting their shit together?
>>380535408
kek
old tweet though

>>380523069
Take it from me as i have seen this before, SoJ is trying to make Mania fail but TaxStealth are just to foxy to let anything bad happen to this.

They have been around the block before with SoJ and they know that SoJ HATES it when American's or any western developer does better then them, so SoJ has to try and make it as difficult as possible to succeed.
Just look at what happened with Chronicles (Bioware) and Boom (BRB)

S sabotages them as they have this sick thought process is that only THEY can make a good Sonic game and will actively try to thwart anyone then when they DO fail, flaunt it to the world that only they are good enough.

TaxStealth and his dream team are going to kill this narrative SoJ has come hell or high water.
My only worry is that SEGA will just out right cancel this game because... reasons???

>>380536467
>Sega Eurocuck wants to port Persona and Yakuza
>it would sell 30k units, have unlimited nude and porn mods and autistic fanbase would ruin the games forever
thankfully Sega of Europe can't port Persona and Yakuza.

>>380536537
How exactly were Chronicles or Boom sabotaged by SoJ?

>>380536672
Nor they can't port Unleashed to PC.

>>380536865
not needed

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>>380510784
>no lives

>>380509212

damn this is gonna be a long two months

>>380536819
Not sure about Chronicles, but Boom was sabotaged by SoJ by them forcing Boom into the 3 exclusive Wii U Sonic games deal when the game was in mid development. Boom was running on an engine not made to run on the Wii U which lead to them having to crunch time to cobble together a (sorta) working engine which made several glitches appear that BRB didn't have time to fix as well as this crunch time keeping them from polishing stuff they were planning to fix near the end of development.

>>380537096
You can't even pick up a single ring after taking a hit.

>>380537096
Probably disabled for the E3 Demo.

>>380509212
i-it looks g-garbage

>>380537321

That's the Cat race ability though. They always hold on to 1 ring no matter what, but the other rings disappear.

>>380510784
Eh, good, but I still think Unleashed had better visuals overall.

>>380510784
SONIC, GET THIS GUY OFF MY TAILS!

>>380537524

Wait disregard. Classic Sonic can't pick up dropped rings either.

>>380535594
Colors was mediocre. The wisps were poorly implemented and the majority of the level designs were lazy. Generations is the only good boost game and that gets by largely on nostalgia. Unleashed was like 40% a solid game and the rest was awful.

Forces looks like Generations minus most of the nostalgia and with yet another gimmick thrown in.

>>380537524
Now that custom hedgehog character's ability makes sense.

>>380537524
That sounds OP.

>>380536865
Modders already ported the good levels (Day) from it to Generations so we can live without it.

>>380537242
what makes you think that was "sabotage" and not just a bad call? remember, similar shitty things happened in 06's dev cycle

>>380538480
Retards have conspiracies for everything.

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Ever run around outside hoping to feel even a little bit fast like sonic?

I did.

>>380536819
Low budgets, ridiculous time frames, sending in shit Q&A testers, not communicating, not marketing the game till weeks before launch,

yet notice when SEGA puts out a game endless stream of stuff.

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haha

>>380538943
>low budgets
sure

>ridiculous time frames
happened with sonic 06 and that wasn't a gaijin game or whatever

>shit QA testers
probably, yeah

>not communicating
considering what happened with CD and S2 i believe this

>not marketing
aaaaaaaand bullshit. boom was marketed to hell and back and it still blew dicks.

Mania looks great but I hate the lighter blue they used for Sonic's sprite. If the sprite was all-new I don't think it would bother me but because it's the 1/2/CD sprite it throws me off seeing it a different color.

>>380503076
How many new zones are there? I'm sick of them reusing old shit, even if it's updated

>>380509212
Looks great.
The person playing it kind of sucks though.
Also
>Iconic Egg Robo is only the second boss
Odd choice.

>>380503923
That's what they wanted to do, it was Sega's idea to make them throw in remix levels.

I don't think it's intentional sabotage, but SEGA definitely has a history of giving less of a shit about Sonic games made by non-SEGA devs.

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>>380538835
I did.

And almost 19 million people have seen me do it.

>>380539501
Honestly, that was probably a smart business move on SEGA's part.
Remember, it's in our best interest for this game to succeed financially.

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WHO /PREORDERED/ HERE

>>380539334
zone count's unknown. the game's longer than generations, so at least ten, and the ratio of remixed/new is about 60/40.

>>380514941
clean rip of the update Saloon Zone theme when?>>380528207
>>380530658

>>380539339
*first boss

>>380539334

At least 5-6 new zones going by the hardboiled heavies. And there are more revisted stages than new ones presumably at a 60-40 ratio. We know of three including the unannounced cathedral one.

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>>380539903
Here.

>>380509212
>that music
>these visuals
>fucking final boss from sonic 2 is the first boss in mania
>death egg robot will force you off the edge if you take too long to beat it
this unironically could be the best Sonic game ever made. It already looks like it's up there with S3&K.

>>380539903
Yo.

>>380537474
But the Mania demo has lives.

I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped lives. It's not like they serve any use in modern platformers anyway.

>>380540742
I thought each act had a boss.

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>>380539903

ps4 and humble bundle

if i have a switch before then, that as well.

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>>380509212
>he ran out of room and died
>this was just the second boss

>>380540942
>this unironically could be the best Sonic game ever made. It already looks like it's up there with S3&K.
It really depends. It has the potential to be that, but S3&K was very much a game firing on all cylinders across two cartridges. It managed to have a non intrusive but compelling narrative, the super emeralds, a shit ton of zones and one of the best soundtracks from its era.

>>380541019
Mini boss and main boss.

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>>380539903
Locked in.

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>>380541146
>PS4
>Steam
>Switch special edition
>Xbone
>gifted it here twice
I have a problem.

>>380539903
I might do this. The game is really cheap and can probably run on a toaster.

>CE launches at $70
>people think it's a steal because they expect a $40 price point
>turns out it's $20
>meaning people are paying $50 for a statue
kek

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>>380539903
>Mfw I'm getting the Collector's Edition
I can't wait.

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>>380541675
Here you go anon

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>>380539903

I'm seriously considering it. First time I ever wanted to pre-order something.

Get HYPE!

>>380539903
i will as soon as i get money (i have very little disposable income due to working at my family's low paying business)

i have to pirate most things, but fuck if them making the sonic game i've always asked for isn't worth eating some ramen for I don't know what is.

Watching Polygon play a game is painful. Why are they always so bad?

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>>380539903

Its been a long time since I preordered something new. I feel so dirty.

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So what are you guys going to do in preparation for this game?

I've got that Sonic the Hedgehog OVA movie to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhMYk_xljQ

>>380542540
I did 2 Sonic 3 Complete playthroughs as Sonic and Knuckles, watched the OVA, and want to check out the mobile ports of 1 and 2 but fuck phone controls. Still on the fence there.

I also read some classic Archie comics and the two parter that was intended to be a three parter from last year.

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>>380541912
not him but
>it runs on toasters
>hyped as fuck
>too poor to even pay US$20
>mfw
No I'm not a fucking leaf. Try and take a guess. Tip: third world country with a light blue and white flag. Easy huh

>>380524729
>You think the people who wrote this shit in their spare time for free need a budget to make a Sonic game?
They do actually. How else are they going to keep a roof above their head?

>>380542540
Sonic (the Restaurant) is having a special on Coneys aka chill dogs, at least in my town the day of the sonic mania, its gonna be awesome.

>>380542795
Uruguay? http://www.airborneflag.com/Images/International%20Flags%20Large/Uruguay.jpg

>>380542795
argentina!

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I love Chemical Plant as much as the next guy, but it was already in Generations. They should've picked some other Zone, one of the lesser liked ones. Maybe they could've redeemed Hill Top, or Metropolis.
>Act 1 is inside the factory warehouse environment
>Act 2 sees Sonic bust out of the subterranean factory into the actual city

>>380543132
Wrong.
>>380543152
Yes! I still feel miserable though. But I do accept that I'm not white at all unlike most of the faggots here

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yfw they use the unused Super Sonic theme for Mania

https://youtu.be/JTiKlkZkOAU

DAILY REMINDER.

Sonic Mania's special stage is a giant floating ring which in all these demos, you can't enter.

The special stage for Sonic Mania won't be like Sonic1/2/3andk. You jump into the ring, and you'll have to play a level of a random Sonic game, Sonic 3D, Sonic Fighters, Sonic Pinball, Sonic 8-bit

screenshot this post. this will be the special stage.

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>>380509212
>that music
>that boss
This is going to be a really incredible game.

>>380540969

Maybe the lives are for when you want to collect the emeralds, instead of just playing levels?

Gotta collect the emeralds on one run, I'd say!

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>>380542540
Replaying sonic 1 2 and then playing sonic 3 complete edition followed my the 8 bit ones then CD after that im going to get a group of people together on discord to watch the sonic OVA.

might replay adventure 1 again too but idk right now

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9RP2SV8HY

>2:50

Watch knuckles, looks away from the painting, it's looking at him, looks up, it closes it's eyes. I fucking love that small detail so much.

>>380543338
eh i was close, honestly how many Americans even know the flags of other countries besides the UK's Mexico's Canada's?

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I guess pic related?

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>>380543773
>that mirage saloon music

My penis is leaking

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>>380542540
Mess around in the HedgePhysics engine. No real objective, just make some fun sequences.

>>380509212

Notice how Robotnik uses those bombs to keep the player away from him, making you subconsciously want to keep getting closer to the right, closer to the edge.

>>380544008
nice, have you heard of Sonic Utopia? You should try to get in with those guys.

>>380542941
They've always worked other jobs while doing their Sonic fan shit. I'm not saying they shouldn't get paid for doing Mania, but they've probably done fifty times the unpaid work of the paid work they're doing now.

>>380543338
This isn't /pol/, no one cares if you're white. Play video games.

Who else /PreOrder/ here?

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>>380544241
I'm well acquainted with it, yes. I'm not really interested in doing another Sonic fangame, at least not for a long, long time.

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>>380544404
>implying I said I was white
>play video games

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>>380544404
>he doesn't get the argentinian white people meme
fuck off newfag shill

>>380544590
if you're white or not is what I meant, whoops

>>380544745
i've been here for almost 10 years, go back to /pol/. just because you play video games doesn't mean you get to play identity politics on /v/

>>380544745
>>380544869

Can we not do this? We should just enjoy Sonic the hedgehog.

Daily reminder to buy/preorder the fuck outta this game

Sega will give whitehead full permission to go fucking crazy with Sonic Mania 2, all original levels, and it'll be basedgod tier.

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leaked original Sonic Mania stage, I need this fucking design but ever level in Sonic mania 2, no oldschool levels, just new ones

>>380503076
how many new zones are in the game?
i kinda wish when this comes out that you can make a run that only has the new zones in it.

i don't want literal romhacks of the old stages sold to me as something new. ive seen these fucking stages for over 20+ years now.

>>380545137
More lieg SonicVania amirite?

>>380545437
it'll be over 10 stages.

and watch this chemical plant act 2 footage in the OP. That isn't rehashed shit, there aren't any sonic levels that play like that at all.

>>380525031
I don't want rehashed levels but I don't want a 2.5D game either. The fuck kind of logic is that?

>>380508575
You should see how shit RLM is at classic Sonic games

>>380546294
https://youtu.be/WYDsz1NFBJw?t=7m4s This is some DSP level shit right here

>>380509212
>When you lose a lot of rings, some fly into foreground
nice...

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>>380509212
>AUDIBLE ROBOTNIK LAUGHTER

>Act 1 has all the old stuff that was in both acts
>Act 2 has different music and new mechanics right from the start

And people were worried.

>>380509212
So after watching this and Chemical Zone act 2, it seems that the first acts are just a bigger version of the original levels while the seconds acts actually add new stuff.

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>>380547000
Act.1s also expand upon the old mechanics & have some new which is a plus.

>>380546624
Oh God that video is cancer what the fuck are baldy and potato head even going on about its like watching monkeys play sonic.

WELP thats RLM for you i guess.

>>380542726
>buttfuck

why does chemical plant look so jarring to look at?

>>380538480
Likely SOJ's bad history with working with SOA in the 90s.

>>380541748

Man, the collectors edition looks awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxT_2VYtHfE

>>380549793
which can be attributed to miscommunication, not sabotage...

>>380550210
Does it, really?
The statue seems to be kinda shit, and the rest of the goodies are so useless and forgettable that they may as well not even exist.

The commercial is really good though.

>>380550919

I... I like the box.

>it's a polygon tries to play video games episode
well at least this one turned out better than Doom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRs1BqezP-I

You know Sega regret calling this Sonic 4. This... thing. This... MISTAKE.

I've played it, it feels as bad as it looks to play, it's just wrong.

>>380552187

Mania will hopefully be known as 'The sonic 4 that should have been', and the sequel to Mania will be 'Sonic 5'. I already think of Mania as the real Sonic 4, and its not even out yet.

>>380552187
this legitimately looks like some fan project

>>380503430
what fandom?

every site I go to nobody is talking about forces, its all mania

>>380552741
isn't that ironic

mania actually IS made by fans

>>380551725
And SEGA probably paid them well because the video wasn't accompanied with an article about how classic Sonic was never good because you can't just move forward to win a level.

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>>380503602
>SONIC 4
here you go

>>380552856
nah, they're too busy losing their mind because some game dev asked one of their reporters if she plays video games.

Given the history of the site, I think it's a fair question.

>>380504832
you can't improve on perfection

>>380503076
They really should remove the placeholder audio and the enemies asap... or I'll reconsider not buying this one.

>>380507884
imagine you wanted to make a gaming site, but you didn't want to have any actual gamers in it, just sjws

thats polygon

>>380509958
nobody gives a shit about generations

>>380503430
literally where, the only hype I see about it is from people who want to use it for meme purposes alone

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>>380541606
Doing God's work anon.

>>380541912
This shit should be able to run on a 32X.

>>380503076
What the fuck? It's exactly like Sonic 2. No originality like their version of Green Hill Zone?

>>380553000
kek, source?

>>380553823
I mean, the point of Mania is a hypothetical 2D Sonic game on the Sega Saturn.

>>380554059
Watch the act 2 video.

>>380552187

That music is fucking horrid.

>>380554059
you're forgetting the chemical zone bud

Act 1 is similar, but a few more extra routes and bigger level then original, act 2 is maniafied and completely different

>>380554059
Did you watch Act 2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vp5aMPAUYQ&index=2&list=PL0B59A49725C84F57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBITnBK2zCg&list=PL0B59A49725C84F57&index=15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccK9wtAA1O4&list=PL0B59A49725C84F57&index=4
Tee Lopes, you've stunned us already, but put these tracks in the god damn game you genius fuck.

>>380543773
>That 3D look on Chopper at 1:23
I loved the original Sonic the Hedgehog's graphical style. The palm trees had that polygonal look to them as well.

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>>380554824
That fucking Starlight zone

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>>380510784
>Side characters don't stop talking
>Boring ass egg dragoon battle
>That shitty OC level pop music
>BURST, BURST, BURST

At least some visuals are good like that mecha spider.

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>>380503981
No. Sonic AND Mario.

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>>380554824
Labyrinth and Starlight Zone sound comfy as fuck

>>380510784
Modern looks fun, Classic looks okay, but that OC gameplay

what in the ever living fuck is going on

>>380503981
Him and Cuphead getting a release

And that Sushido game from Nintendo,
that shit just looks fun.

Be honest /v/ and sonic fans, what do you think Sonic Forces will get as a rating during release?

I'm thinking 6.5; they probably polished three areas, and the other areas will just be repetitive and the story will be shit, maps look awful, doesn't look fluid at all compared to older sonic games.

I remember all the E3 reveals of sonic games, they all played well and when they were released they were all shit.

>>380555762
Between 6-7 except for a few 8's and a few 4's.

I'll probably have a good time with Forces. At the very least I like Chaos so it's cool to see him again.

>>380539705
>spoiler

liar

>>380555762
they're going for medicore, sega have learnt that a OKAY medium sonic game ratings is better then THIS IS THE WORST SHIT EVER

it'll just do average, and sell well because meme oc create a character and once again hold back sonic modern from being the incredible shit it could be

>>380555762
Probably slightly higher rated than Lost World.

>>380556062
I mean honestly, Sonic compared to Mario is a fucking joke. Odyssey added some really interesting features and took a risk - taking control of inanimate and animate objects to solve puzzles (that bullet bill playthrough), a good 2d to 3d transition gameplay, coins as currency, dynamic map with different ways to complete the map.

Meanwhile fucking Sonic just goes back to a linear 2d map (not even designed to let you run fluidly, those shitty platform placements) and a 3D Temple Run style gampeplay where you just go straight and have "press x to complete action" scenes. The only new thing they added was "make your own character".

I'm fucking sick of Sonic Team and Sega making this franchise even shittier and shittier.
It seems like their team thinks of the shitty story before designing maps and enemies (and their placement). I have bought every fucking game since release, and if this game fails to deliver, I am done with the franchise.

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>>380556057

>>380555762
Outside /v/ and /vg/, it's getting a lot of positive impressions. It might get a 7 at best.

>>380556791
barry go edit game grumps you fuck

>>380556863
Shit. I do kinda' look like Barry, don't I?

>>380556728
It's just the way it is, Sonic will be forever stuck in this loop of shit if people keep buying it hoping it is better then the last. This game is the equilevant of 'we have nothing, so just give them everything.'

Let's give them OC character creator... uh... what else... LETS JUST BRING BACK ALL THE VILLAINS, FUCK IT! uh... CLASSIC SONIC? SURE!

It's all just a bit, bleh. Sonic can be so much more, but they choose to hold him back with this horrific boost gameplay, and for some odd reason, people ADAMANTLY defend it and can't see why it's bad.

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>>380556791
oh fuck

>>380556791
Can't wait until Arin plays Mania and is complete ass at it.

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>>380557340
Yep.

>>380557457
That's okay. He was ass at my game as well. Then I got to meet him 3 days later. That was quite a day.

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>>380556791
Gotta go faster boi

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>>380557914
Indeed. AMA.

>>380558149
Why did you recite Tikal's Prayer to go Super?

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>>380557207
Dude.. in case you don't get this yet.
Sega trying something new = people bitching.
Sega going back and trying an old formula = people bitching.

Sega cannot fucking win even if they put as much effort into a sonic game as Nintendo is with Odyssey. That's a fact.

They could make an HD remastered Sonic 1-3 trilogy game and people would still find something to bitch about it.

>>380558210
Several reasons:
Firstly, recall that this was a video entry for a contest for Sega. The winners got to go to Japan to play Sonic 4 before anyone else in the world (before we knew it sucked). It was a matter of showing off the extent of our Sonic knowledge and dedication.
Secondly, I was a big fan of the Sonic flash film: Sonic Nazo Unleashed in which a very similar transformation occurs.

>>380558475
BECAUSE FANBASES ARE MADE UP OF MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERING OPINIONS

HOLY FUCKING HELL DOES IT TRGGER ME HARD SEEING LITTLE KIDS COMPLAIN 'WAH WHY DOESNT THIS FANBASE SUCK IIZUKAS TEENY WEENY NIP DICK' IN THE YOUTUBE COMMENTS SECTION

>>380558475
sega try new shit, and it fails, they need to change there team up, new project lead

>>380539705

Is there a YouTube video?

>>380558475
It just isn't true at all.

Sega just make SHIT sonic games, thats it. If this sega did put that much time into a sonic game, it would still be bad, because they have no fucking clue what they're doing

Sega themselves need to change and find people who know what the fuck they're doing, see Sonic Mania.

>>380558149
So what happened with that fangame on /sthg/? It's been months(?) since it was talked about?

>>380559137
Work. This new job has me quite busy, plus I'm in the process of finding an apartment and then moving. My life is in a pretty hectic spot. Thanks for asking, though.

>>380558546
How disappointed was it seeing that Sonic 4 sucked?

>>380559282
Hope all goes well man.

>>380559416
It was a pretty big bummer. Both Tim and I were mad that it sucked and mad that we did all that work and corporate dick-sucking for such an unworthy game. At least Colors was fun, if not a bit limited in scope.

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>Taxman confirmed the bottomless pit at the end of the GHZ boss isn't a death pit, and its true purpose will be revealed later on
L-Labyrinth Zone?

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>>380560017
>L-Labyrinth Zone?
>no
>plz no
>never again

>>380560017
SOurce?

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I'm kind of hoping that every Retro Zone has a redone Retro end boss, preferably final boss Eggman mechs like Death Egg Robot.

>Chemical Factory: Egg Viper
>Flying Battery: Big Arm
>Stardust Speedway: race Metal Sonic who then turns into Metal Sonic Kai and chases you while attacking like Great Eggman Robo

>>380560657
>redo of end boss of Sonic 1
MUH DICK

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>>380560017

>fall down
>Hydrocity music starts blaring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9KOBZ7i3-w

yfw

>>380560834
reminder that tee lopes version came out 7-8 years ago, imagine the shit he could pull off now

>>380519107
I know this is an ancient post, but I came here because I immediately thought the same thing. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just seems like there is to much going on at once and its all at about the same level, making the remixes just sound like a flat wall of shitty noise.

>>380542540
I replayed the Genesis trilogy as soon as the game was announced so I'm thinking I'll move to the Advance games.

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>>380560818
>remix of the Final Zone theme

Fuck yes. Hell, Mania's Death Egg Robot should have its theme but doesn't for some reason, which is criminal.

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>first boss in SM is the last boss in Sonic 2

You just know, Whitehead is going to full our fucking minds with the final boss. You know it is going to be some next level, Megalomania blasting boss shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcoqR9Bwx1Y

Don't even pretend if something like this played at the end boss of mania you wouldn't lost your shit

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I can´t believe this is being made by technically fans and has top-notch quality while what sega is doing looks more like a fan project than a quality brand SEGA title.

Do they seriously think Forces is a good idea???

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>On 16 May 2012, Christian Whitehead revealed concept art of a additional boss round called Final Fever exclusively for his remastered version of Sonic CD. It was intended either when the player was about to unlock the good ending or had all the Time Stones. Whitehead had this to say about it:

>"[....] it’s colourful since it was intended to be an all Time Stones boss (good future only). Time flows freely, and Eggman’s machine is essentially invincible. The idea being Sonic can reach warp speed at any opportunity (instead of getting the warp posts) and must do so to “wind back the clock” to damage the boss. Some parts are running, some areas the screen is locked. I was slightly worried the idea of running to warp might not be self evident (no warp screen, the level and boss would change in real time with some neato effects)."

>For unknown reasons, the idea was scrapped, but he said that it could possibly be released as DLC.

Imagine if this gets into Mania as a Zone boss or the final boss of the game.

>>380562665
I am sorry, but that full speed run animation, the infinity sign run looks SO much better then the one we got in Mania, my one gripe with Mania, fuck.

>>380562665
This probably will be the final boss, no way he made all that and will just scrap it

>>380562438
It'll work because it is aiming for the largest portion of the Sonic fanbase, the autistic side. The game will be terrible, but it'll sell like fucking hotcakes because everybody wants that character creator, in this meme timeline, nothing shocks me anymore. It JUST is.

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So why'd they go with a new animation instead of the figure 8?

>>380503602
>>all these recycled levels that have already been remade
visually "maybe", but the level design is entirely different and way bigger.

>>380503709
>remakmination
YES!!

>>380563940
Because then people would be screaming "omg literal rehash xD"
Whats wrong with new animations huh? cmon it looks great. also the mobius stripe on CD doesn´t have as much detail.