$500PC vs Xboxxxx

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>>379936926
No but for around $1000 you can build a PC that is roughly 10x more powerful than the XboneX

>>379937371
So will $500 get me a decent pc? Or is it going to run like dick

>>379938175
eh decent midrange PC.
Don't expect 60fps at ultra setting though.

I'd still recommend building one for $1000.
Upgrading that is going to be a lot cheaper than buying the newest console.
So you save money in the long run.

>>379936926
Nah, Microsoft subsidizes their hardware so between that and optimization you're going to have to spend quite a bit more to get equivalent performance.

>>379938175
>So will $500 get me a decent pc?

no

>>379938809
Oh yeat that sweet barely 30fps optimization.

stop asking this question, desktops always costs $200 more to equal a console

>>379938971
wrong

>>379937371
>10x more powerful than the XboneX
lol no, delusional

>>379938578
I'm not expecting a great one, but one that I can play one while I upgrade it.
>>379938971
Can it run minecraft in 4K?
>>379939994
Ok

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Yes you can, if you say otherwise you are either illiterate to technology or retarded

I built a PC a year back that my son uses.
He plays MWO and WoT mostly and he plays them at 4k above 60fps (I think 70-75 avg)

This build cost me like $410

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>>379936926
Yeah. If you're not a fucking autist that can only enjoy a game that's jam packed with shitty particle and lightening effects and ebin character models.

High graphics is a fucking meme used to make the same shit over and over and just sell it to the same people over and over.

Anyone that gives a shit about graphics is legitmately retarded. Games with good gameplay on 144fps is objectively better EVERY SINGLE TIME.

No way. I'm a PCMR faggot, but Microsoft actually did a really good job

inb4 shill. I built a $550 PC in 2012 that destroyed the PS4 and Xbone, and is about as strong as a PS4 Pro, and used to tell people to just build a PC instead of getting either. The Xbone X hits a great price / performance ratio that you can't hit with PC.

>>379936926
No, but you won't have to pay $50/yr to play online.

>>379940925
for the first year until new PC hardware comes out

>>379940925
yeah that godlike 20 fps performance in anything that isnt a racing game or minecraft

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>>379939994
You full of shit
>>379940531
You are right he is, it would be far far more powerful than that.

>that feeling when /v/ users legit don't have even a basic understand of technology yet spout terms and numbers like they know what them mean

>>379936926
>Ive always played Xbox so I'm hesitant to leave it.
good news: you don't need to buy it, the new xbox has the exact same library
bad news: it's the exact same library

>>379938175
run like dick

>>379936926

The GPU falls between the 1060 and 1070. The CPU is almost certainly laptop quality shit. If you can find good deals, $500 isn't beyond the realm of possibility for a PC that beats the XboneX.

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>>379936926
>$500 console
>$60 accessories
>$60 games
>$50 a year online service
>very few sales and the sales aren't as low as PC games
>rarely exceeds 50 frames per second and you can't lower or change settings to take off heavy cost effects that add little to the game.
>no mods or freedom with games

PC is worth it. You will never go back to the jewy walled garden of the consoles.

>>379936926
www.wipoid.com/pcconf/e16bb693dedb5

>>379936926
You can't build a gaming PC for $500 from scratch. You need at least $800, if you're aiming to buy every component.

>>379941847
Literally one post above

>>379940925
> I built a $550 PC in 2012 that destroyed the PS4 and Xbone, and is about as strong as a PS4 Pro
> "destroyed the PS4 and Xbone" and "about as strong as a PS4 Pro"
PS4 Pro had a marginal power increase at best so did you destroy the PS4 or is it only as good as the PS4 Pro? Pick one.

DESU its unlikely you ever even built this PC in the first place after seeing your contradiction.

>>379936926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV2swgcRVRw

>>379936926
Building a PC is an investment

You can get by mostly replacing GPUs instead of entire consoles, and you don't lose most or all of your games, and games are cheaper

>>379936926
>Xbone X

>>379941847
>1050
>g460
We're talking about gaming PCs, capable of running modern games on Ultra at 60fps in 1080p, not shitboxes that start to choke the moment you introduce them to something graphically or CPU intensive. Also, there's no monitor, so even this shitbox will cost you $600 and no, not everyone has a monitor when they buy their first PC.

>>379942418
This is true. Higher upfront cost but you save larges amounts of money in the longrun (not having to pay for games)

>>379938175
IF you go to craigsist and scrounge up use parts

Linus form inus techtips found a 980ti with liquid cooling

Fuck, this >>379942616 post was aimed at >>379941934.

>>379942616
Most everyone already has a tv.
>Hook new pc up to tv via hdmi
Voila

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>>379936926
I concede this time. It's literally impossible to attain similar performance on pc at that price range; even with second hand parts. XBOX>PC for now.
>>379937371
Brethren, you have to learn when to accept defeat, Xbox WON

>>379941209
Truth. I actually forgot Volta was coming out next year

>>379941960
Not on the CPU front, but it did actually get a pretty hefty GPU upgrade. It's about twice as strong as the PS4 GPU. I can hit 1080p/45-60fps ultra (draw distance high) Witcher 3, or hit same settings 1440p/30fps. I'd go into more detail but I'm on my phone

Don't forget that the Socks isn't built for anything but gaming. Compared to a PC it's got a shitty cpu, no ram, tiny and crap hdd, poor cooling, and overall cheap and failure prone components

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>>379943045
Literally proven wrong

>>379942326
>>379941670

Nice try falseflagging xboner.

>>379940925
(You) shill.

>>379942616
>capable of running modern games on Ultra at 60fps in 1080p
name 1 (uno) console that does this

Watch as Moore's Law comes into full effect and with the sheer processing power provided by Xbox One X, within a year or two we'll be straight back to 1080p 30fps gaming on home consoles.
Because developers keep wanting to push the hardware, and the hardware's power is static.

>>379943514
Why would you buy a gaming PC if you're aiming at console level performance? If you don't build a PC for 60fps gaming, just buy a console, you're buying outadted trash hardware in either case.

>>379943836
>what is ps3

>4k60 for 500
thats impossible on PC, i dont know how MS did it desu

>>379943929
you'd have to put in some effort to build a pc with console level performance these days
even 5 yo old components trash modern consoles

>>379944101
interlaced and upscaled

>>379944018

PS3 had a wildly exotic design system that no one knew what the fuck to do with at the time, so it took a while for people to figure it out. This isn't the case with modern consoles that are basically glorified PC’s nowadays.

>>379944101
they didn't
unless you're fine with only playing minecraft and racing games

>>379944309
>projecting this hard
Stop trying to justify your PS4 Pro purchase

>>379936926
Get a $500 dollar video card and put it inside your moms dell.

>>379944202
I was replying to >>379943045

>>379944391
>they didnt
>except when they did
Let me know when you can run forza 7 on pc at 4k60 for 500 freedom bux

>>379944628
let me know when you can do it on xbox

>>379936926
>Can I build a better PC for $500
It all boils down to if you care about used/new stuff and if you want to show off or focus on specs instead.

>If you want your own case, new parts, nice peripherals, and an overall design/theme?
No, it will be roughly the same power but at the very least you can upgrade later on down the line and use it for other stuff other than games.

>If you want your own case, peripherals, and design but don't care if the stuff is used parts?
Yes. You can get a relatively stronger build but since money is being dedicated to the case and other stuff you'll have to settle for mid-range stuff. Still more powerful than a console.

>Well fuck it I want the most powerful build possible on this budget. Is that possible?
Yes, but you'll have to buy used generic brand computer (e.g. Dell, HP) along with generic brand peripherals (e.g. Logitech). No gaymur lights or other flashy stuff. The upside to this route, though: more money to hardware = very strong build.

>>379936926
PC has thousands and thousands of games, and countless emulators

Xboner has almost zero exclusives

>>379944931
When November 7th rolls around ill get back to you ;)

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>>379936926
>Can I build a better PC for $500?
Better, no
People that say you can are bargin hunting, bottom of the barrel scraping nitwits that don't understand their market(lazy you who barely wants to do anything to build it).
The fact is console hardware is cheap for two reasons:
>bought it bulk from the manufacturer
>further subsidized by the retailer(microsoft, sony)

PC hardware cannot compete on price, theres just none of the same cap on performance once something new comes out.

>>379945158
ok see you on november 7 2037

>>379938175
No. Ms buys graphics card and processors en bulk from and or whoever and sells them at all loss and makes it back via Xbox live and game sales. My PC is $600 and runs Overwatch 1080p at 30-40.

>>379945364
Dude nice, he got btfo

>>379941589
This. Graphics are just the icing on the cake. Microsoft and Sony are fucking idiots thinking that "muh grafix" will get people to switch(tm). You get a better overall experience on pc.

>>379938175
No. It'll run like shit. Save for another month n spend 1100-1300, at least

>>379944628
oh wow a closed track racing game at good performance very impressive desu

>>379938971
No, you'll spend over half that, minimum, on the GPU alone.

>>379942326
>literally and unironically believing that you need 16 (SIXTEEN) GB of RAM
>"Come on guys, it's 2017!" is his actual argument

NEVER build a PC using YouTubers' suggestions, EVER. Most of them are retards that do no research in any hardware they use. They buy whatever component they hear about that they think it's the fastest, slap it in, and they do so without even comparing prices.

One those faggots claimed you could make a $150 gaming rig but they were too retarded to take the GPU into account; the GPU alone costs $300+. Like anybody has a fucking top-tier GPU just lying to throw into a rig.

>>379936926
>>379938175
>>379938578
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
at $500 you will sacrifice performance in the latest AAA titles
$800 is where it starts to get really good performance/money
strengths of PC are the MASSIVE library of software and settings customization

>>379936926
yes

Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USr4vZpYkD0

>>379938175
No, absolutely not. Consoles can afford to be a little weaker since their OS is lighter than a PC's typically. Even if you built a PC with equivalent-to-Scorpio parts, games will run worse and it would cost more than a Scorpio

>>379946208
And PC still cant do it ;)

As a general rule, you need to spend twice the money on a pc to get similar performance as a brand new console.

Of course, if you already have a case, power supply and ram, you can get away with less. 6 Teraflops is a gtx 1070, which is a solid 350/400 by itself.

>>379946415
>proof
That's the same retard I was referring to here >>379946394 that said you could build a $150 gaming PC from a fucking server while having the audacity to suggest you had a free GTX 980 just lying around.

He also cheats in Scrapyard Wars. People give him discounts on shit he buys from them because "Oh hey I know you from YouTube!" He tries not to (which is respectable) but it's obvious he finds good deals because of his reputation.

http://www.techradar.com/how-to/gaming/how-to-build-a-gaming-pc-more-powerful-than-xbox-project-scorpio-1324756

It's basically the $796 PC on logicalincrements, except instead of having 4GB VRAM and 8GB system RAM it has 12GB of shared RAM.

it's actually not a bad deal if you want to play at 4k and already have a TV, and you like the games they're putting out.

backwards compat is always awesome too.

>>379947735
given, this whole argument is rather silly and I think if you're getting into PC gaming you should get a 1080p monitor with a high refresh rate, either 120/144Hz is fine.
high framerate > 4k

>>379947087
>>379946394
so your argument is that some other youtuber cheated, that means all of them these guides do?
tell me where in this >>379942326 ,besides your 16gb autism, is something you can't do

>>379947925
Yeah, honestly, 4K is still prohibitively expensive and will be until 8K starts lining Wal-Mart's shelves.

By then, a good 4K display with great refresh rate will be affordable.

Money being no factor, sure, get a kick ass 4K display. By then, if your only factor is money, you're going to get a PC and an Xbox anyhow.

You probably could get a medium gaming pc for 500 (no monitor) that could play games 1080p 30fps or 60fps 900/720p

>>379948101
I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying that if you want to build your own machine and you are on a budget do not use YouTube as your guide. Use them as proof of concept, a general direction, or benchmark comparisons. Just DO NOT follow their advice to a T. They don't save you money because they're stupid enough to believe only stupid memes like "Kingston™ 16GB gaming RAM" is the way to go. They also copy off of each other as evident of that Potato Masher build making rounds on YouTube.

Finally, just remember that they're YouTubers: they have YouTube bucks to burn away; they get sponsored by companies to use their products; sometimes they get free stuff to use in their builds; their reputation lands them better deals (Linus is a big example of this); they also have shit taste in games, so why do you think they have good taste in hardware/builds?

Is there any reason besides MS wanting control that it couldn't just run windows 10 like a normal PC?

>>379949426
It already does run Windows 10, just with a special UI which is optimized for controller

>>379936926
You're thinking about it incorrectly. You are going to have a PC regardless of whether or not you buy one or more consoles. The question you should be asking is if spending an additional $500 to get better PC parts would be better than getting a shitty console.

The answer is, of course, yes.

>>379936926
You can't run emulators on it, or any sort of decent game.

>>379936926
>Can I build a better PC for $500?
No.

Even if someone is like "HURR DURR YES YOU CAN" the console optimization makes it run x2 better than a PC.

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>>379949737
or I could just buy a laptop like a normal adult

>>379941589
>hackers galore
>less people per game
>horrible optimizations
>having to fuck with settings for hours to get it to run good
lol

>>379949737
Let me upgrade my laptop I touch a couple times a month. Lol

>>379949218
good point, "Never build a pc from youtube" just sounded a bit extreme but yeah I agree they're good to point you in the right direction

>>379949980
And toss it in the garbage 2 years later because a general hardware fuck up.

>>379949737
not for couch gaming

>>379941364
I would get it because it's loads better than vanilla xbone

Though I could just go halfway and get the cheaper S and sell mine for that.

The price is a little much for the X, but I would consider getting it once it goes on holiday sale

>>379936926
Considering the fact they didnt upgrade the CPU at all you could throw an old Jaguar CPU or even oldergen i5 in a cheap case with a 580 and a mechanical HDD you'd be pretty close to the 500 mark

>>379950062
>having the option to change settings
lol

>>379936926
No, but XboxX is only 30fps on most games. PC games can be scaled so you always have 60fps.

Phil was conveniently sly about that. 4k is neat, but who gives a shit when 90% of the games being shown are being created at 1080p right now and are indie games.

No fucking way 500$ a PC will play 60FPS/4k, even at low-medium settings, matching Xone.

You will need 1200$ +

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>>379936926
PC
>Build a $1000 desktop
>Can do 4k@60fps in all games at different settings
>Recouped the cost within a months of doing actual work while playing games on weekends

Xbox
>$499
>0 Exclusives
>Can't even do 4k/60 in all games
>Has to spend $60 XBL and hard $60 on games
>Doesn't retain 70% its value after 2 years
>Shit resell Value

No not at 500 bucks. But xbox still has no exclusives and the xbox one x still can't do over 60fps/60 hz so it's stuck in casual tier.

>>379936926
If you start from an used PC, definitely.
An old PC with an i3 2100 or an i5 2400 and 8GBs of RAM costs $100-150, less if you get to pick up a good deal. Put a trusty PSU, slap a GTX 1060/RX 480 and you're good to go. Surely less than $400.

Otherwise, I could come up with a build for $532, the RX 480 is enough for 4k60 at High so the 580 should give room to push things just a little bit further.
www.pcpartpicker.com/list/X8tJQV

>>379952768
it's impossible to buy rx 470/480/570/580 new because of fucking miners
and buying used when fucking miners are all over it should be a big warning sign that the used gpus are fucked up

>>379950062
First three only really matter for shitty console ported multiplayer games.
The biggest multiplayer games have great pc bases or are exclusively pc, with longer lasting multiplayer and free online play
>mess with settings for hours
Huge exaggeration, or only if you're modding which consoles suck at anyway

>>379952980
$552-557 replacing the 580 with a 1060 (6GB) then. Arguably, the difference in price with the XBX is justifiable with Emulation and the fact that Gaming isn't the only thing PCs can do.

>>379946397
Stop linking this guide its terrible now.

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>>379936926
>Can I build a better PC for $500?

If you buy used parts, yes you can.

>>379940887
As a guy who saw nothing but blur till he reached 18 i want to see the most amazing shit i can finally see i don't want to go back to seeing blurry shit. i was partially blind till 18 now i can finally see thanks to a transplant.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVxYKZ
Not really all that hard.

>>379955954
>buying anything AMD pre-Ryzen
No.
Still waiting on their cheap i3 equivalents and APUs.

>>379956134
>anything AMD pre-Ryzen
You mean like the CPU in the XBX?
The FX 6300 has more than enough CPU horsepower for unstable 4k.

>>379956310
That's a custom APU in the xXx_M3T4l_G34R_xXx, consoles typically have a different architecture compared to a PC
an FX6300 is not equivalent to an Xbone APU

>>379949737
Most people don't buy or build a pc anymore. They get laptops and tablets

>>379956643
>That's a custom APU in the xXx_M3T4l_G34R_xXx, consoles typically have a different architecture compared to a PC
No, it's a Jaguar APU, and the APU in the XBX is based on an "enhanced" Jaguar.
>an FX6300 is not equivalent to an Xbone APU
You're right, it's much better.

>>379956643
>consoles typically have a different architecture compared to a PC
Uhh, every console this gen except the Switch is x86.
Exact same architecture as modern PC parts.

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>>379956845
Not based on jaguar

>>379940887
You know you can use the additional computing power to do things other than graphics right? Oh wait, you wouldn't know that because you're just another /v/ shitter.

>>379957282
Based on Jaguar.
https://youtu.be/RE2hNrq1Zxs?t=113
>Scorpio does indeed use an evolved version of the Jaguar core
Same cache size, same CPU setup, same architecture.

>>379936926
Don't let /v/ meme you into PC gaming.
$500 1X will outperform any $500 PC this year and probably 2018. This Xbox will run games perfectly fine for its price. Also, fuck the W10 store

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Buy this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Precision-T1600-Xeon-E3-1245-3-3GHz-8GB-1TB-HHD-Win-10-Pro-/322521122472?hash=item4b17c1c6a8:g:0CQAAOSwtGlZHdcs

then buy this and install it

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-GTX-1060-Graphic-Card-1-51-GHz-Core-1-71-GHz-Boost-Clock-3-GB-/332038519524?hash=item4d4f09bae4:g:xLMAAOSwux5YMcN1

$404 you have a PC more powerful than the Xbox One X

>>379957282
Kinda obvious it is zen and polaris.

Holy shit I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I think I'll finally build a PC. What do I do about anti virus stuff. Xbox live cost $60/year, doesn't anti virus cost about the same?

>>379957967
It's not Ryzen actually, it's still based on Jaguar.

>>379949737
>You are going to have a PC regardless of whether or not you buy one or more consoles
This could have been an argument in 2013 but smartphones and tablets have made PCs irrelevant for pretty much everything that isn't related to work.

>>379957965
>8GB

Weak

>>379938578
>upgrading that

>he doesn't know abput PCIE 4 coming lol

>>379949737
I should have mentioned I am starting from scratch. My "PC" is my iPhone. I ever had a reason to buy one.

>>379958178
Tablets are fucking terrible though, and there's a reason people aren't buying them outside of iPads.
They lack the portability of a phone AND the productivity of a laptop.
Tablets are genuinely made for retards just looking to buy useless shit.

>>379957998
>doesn't anti virus cost about the same?

Antivirus costs nothing.

>>379958240
Won't make a difference for beating Xbone X. If you want more ram just buy it for $20 and you're still under cost.

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EXCLUSIVE
also available on PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag2jf42snzk

>>379945415
Specs?

>>379936926

short asnwer: no

microsoft is either losing a ton of money on this system, or they got a really good deal from AMD for the parts in bulk.

unfortunately the usually great value AMD cards like the rx 480/580 are priced higher than usual right now because of supply shortage, but those will get you pretty close to 6 tflops with overclocking, if not alittle less.

and the Nvidia video cards that get up there are the gtx 1060 (a little under 6) and the 1070 (a little over 6) and some last gen cards like a gtx 980 and 980ti get close, and can sometimes be found on a good deal or discount.

if you want to stick to consoles for the foreseeable future, and you have a decent TV (4k ideally) then this scorpio xbox is really promising.

otherwise, you can join the pc master race whenever, new parts come out every so often. the new AMD Vega video cards are coming out in a couple of months, those are promising

>>379947064
>As a general rule, you need to spend twice the money on a pc to get similar performance as a brand new console.
Utter horseshit.

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>>379955590
I see what you mean

>>379938175
>all these people saying no
Wtf mine was $400 and it runs basically anything

>>379957965
>What is Cooling
>What is Wattage
>What is Used vs New

>>379936926
No.
However, with the machine you're shitposting on right now, you can put in a $500 GPU and shit on all consoles, provided if you have a decent CPU.

>>379958748
It's an iPhone.

>>379954214
What's wrong with it?

>>379958648
Oh, it runs 4k with at least 30 fps?

>>379936926
No, you objectively cannot.

But this is /v/ and you'll be drown in a sea of bullshit stories about building bleeding edge PCs for $600 or people just plain dodging the point and explaining how a $1000 PC is still better and totally worth double the investment.

>>379958748
I don't have a PC. I would be starting from scratch.

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>All my PC friends I left a few years ago to play on Xbox are all just playing HotS and korean MMOs
>Laughed at me being a console pleb these days
>Go back to playing BotW, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Forza Horizon 3
>Excited for Xbox X and Sony/Nintendo conference
>Remember my old friends are just playing trash that I could have played 4-5 years ago on PC

It feels bad moving on, but if you don't want to join me in Monster Hunter, Gears of War, Destiny, or other upcoming cool multiplayer games then I guess I just need to go my own way.

The LFG option on Xbox has helped me make new friends, but damn it feels sometimes.

>>379958673
What about them?

>cooling
There is no issue here. The 1060 runs cool and the blower design will make the case design irrelevant.
>wattage
GTX 1060 needs 120 watts of power, you will get away with the 320 watt PSU in the T1600. If you really have to you can upgrade the PSU for $30 and still come under cost.
>used
That's your problem. I trust a used workstation PC a hell of a lot more than a lowest-bidder hotbox like the Xbone X is going to be to not quit on me.

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>>379958825
>>379958969
>phoneposting

>>379950685
Honestly my friend's regretting it for getting a laptop now

>>379958748
This is a very important point. The kind of people who would buy this thing probably already have decent desktop PCs. If it's a choice between this and a 1070 I know I would take the 1070.

>>379936926
You won't build something better from a technical standpoint, but you'd build something that's :
A. much more versatile with MUCH more use.
B. much cheaper games with more upgrade paths
C. more fun without being having your wrists tied by what the developer wants you to do and what they don't want you to do.

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>>379958493
Not much of a fan of botnetsoft but that video is pretty bitter desu

>>379936926
bro dont worry about the pc those are cheap and more powerful then an xbone x go with a pc/ps4 and you are set

>>379936926
can someone explain thsi xbox one x bullshit. what is the xbox one s? i was under the impression the 1s was the direct competition to the ps4pro. but now everything i read about the 1x is saying its better then the ps4pro. so what the fuck was the 1s? so is this ms marketing tricks. compete with a product 9 months older.

>>379936926
>$500

Its not $599 but its still too expensive for playing games at 4k especially when the Xbox One S does the exact same thing. Sure its VR ready but lets face it, not many people are interested in VR nor are most developers.

>>379938175
>So will $500 get me a decent pc?

Nope

no just like you couldnt when the ps2, ps3, ps4, pro launched either. once a new console launches it ALWAYS has a better cost ratio. the only real difference over the years is how much a comparable pc would cost. last gen they basically gave you a $800-1000 pc in a $400-600 console box which was insane both for gens before and after. this gen it was more like a $600 pc in a $400 console box. The scorpio looks liek itll be something like a $700-800 pc in a $500 console which is par of the course. in a year that pc price will probably go down $100-150.

consoles also dont offer as many options as pc's either and their performance has always been inconsistent so you still have a lot of reasons to either stick with pc or jump into pc gaming. having the scorpio come out changes absolutely nothing,

>>379959004
>BOTW
On PC
>FH3
On PC (the only good forza in a bit desu)
Destiny 2 is coming to PC
>Gears 4
Of course its on PC
HZD is a shit game too, watched my mom beat it when i was over there she bought it because "OMG she is a girl and has red hair JUST LIKE ME"
But my mom doesnt even have red hair she just dies it like that. Fucking fag

>>379959434
Xbox One S is basically an Xbox One which can output 4k picture. It has better specs then the Xbox One but nowhere near the specs of Xbox One X which is souped up more so it can handle VR in 4k as well

>>379959434
>retards browsing a video game board don't know shit about current gen consoles
Fuck off
>>379959435
>too expensive for playing games at 4k
It's actually pretty cheap for a device that can handle 4k games.
>especially when the Xbox One S does the exact same thing
The One S doesn't play games at 4k you mouthbreather.

>>379959053
>There is no issue here
>PSU upgrade for $30
>I trust a used workstation
/g/ would have a field day with you

>>379958841
Its tier system is all fucky now. You look at the "great" tier and it has an RX 480/580 and GTX 1060 3GB. Those aren't cards that should be recommended for a "great" PC. Those are low-midrange cards. The R5 1600 is under "great" but should be in everything up until "enthusiast". The tiers are all according to price and not actual performance. Not to mention the percentage scores on shit make absolutely no sense. Performance in overall gaming is X%? Compared to what?!

>$500
>nothing but mountain dew bro shooters to play
oh, its nothing

>>379943045
What game do you want to run optimally on Xbox over a 500 dollar pc? Cuphead?

>>379959886
Damn it. Why does building a pc have to be so confusing?

>>379959747
You realize you dumb console cuck that nothing can do 4K VR right unless you have 2 Titan XPs in line, shit not one single VR headset is more than 1440p
Dumb console cuck
Now though it could do VR at least the OG box could not very well at all

>>379959776
found the xboner fag. dont trash talk my console. reee even if its a legitmate question.

so what the fuck is the ps4pro. just a small upgrade to output4k. so why the fuck is the 1x competing with the ps4pro instead of its own product its an upgrade too.

>>379938971
Last time I built one for someone, it came out to around $2000, but they needed everything.

Going forward, upgrades will almost always be under $400 and the pace of needing upgrades has slowed significantly.

>>379959810
/g/ would agree with me. I told you, you won't have to upgrade the PSU. That's optional if you want to add some other components in later or overclock.

Used workstations are considered extremely reliable. More reliable than new components most of the time. Especially the bargain bin chink shit people use to buy new "budget" computers. And do I have to remind you how reliable the first generation Xbox 360's ended up being? This Xbox One X is very small, and very cheap, and I would be very wary as an early adopter and keep those receipts and warranty info handy.

>>379960021

I'm excited to play Path of Exile on not clunky as fuck PC controls optimized for controller. Forza Horizon 3 4k patch should be pretty cool and BDO might be fun with a controller, idk if it already has controller support on PC or not. I prefer playing MMOs on regional Xbox locked servers anyways.

>>379960219
>Calling me a console Cuck even though I haven't owned a console since the N64

I'm only going by what Microsoft claims, whether they are true or not I don't give a shit.

How do you think Doom 4 would run on this system? Ultra preset at 60 fps/1080p theoretically doable?

>>379960179
It's not. Go over to /g/ and their PC building general and ask for help. Though honestly it's pretty simple.

>if poor buy Intel G4620 and GTX 1050/RX 560
>if playing at 1080p get Ryzen 5 CPU and RX480/580 or GTX 1060 (6GB)
>if playing at 1440p get Ryzen 5 and GTX 1070
>if playing at 4k get Ryzen 5 and GTX 1080Ti
>If you need to use professional software and game get a Ryzen 7 and whatever GPU for your resolution
>if you want to be a cuck buy an Intel i5/i7

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>>379936926
Xbox One X = Pic Related

>>379942326
I dont even need to watch this to find out that this build is gonna be bullshit.

>Probably didnt add in selling old parts he already had
>Probably didnt include peripherals or Windows
>Probably purchased used parts or shit during Black Friday or both that are gonna die in months
>Already had some parts of it lying around he didnt include

>>379936926
Why would you build PC.
PC is fucking trash.

>>379949426
This, if the Xbox One ran Windows 10 along with the Xbox interface i'd consider buying it and use it both as a console and a PC.
They just need to add a mouse and keyboard.

>>379959810
A used 3rd gen i5 workstation with a GTX1050ti is unironically the best gaming machine for under $300

>>379963668
>not a Super NES + Flashcart + CRT

Any PC build under $1,000 should be a $150 ex-business Dell with a reasonable CPU + a used GPU. Don't bother building on a very tight budget.

>>379938175
Sure. If you're only going for Xbox One X game play settings then yes. 4k/60fps at lowest settings is doable.

>>379944101
It's not going to run at 60 dude

>>379944101
By lowering graphic settings to lower than low.

>>379964297
I'm not really looking for 4k/60fps. I just want something I can play on to get me started. I don't have a pc to work with.

>>379944101
>60fps

did you guys cover your eyes when anthem was on screen?

>>379964613
they already showed 60fps on 4k moron... wtf are you brain dead

>>379964881
You need everything. Pc, and monitor/keyboard/mouse?

>>379960856
which fucking ryzen 5?

There are 1500 1600 1600x 1800 etc

>>379965083
No, actually, they didn't.
Aside from Forza, which runs at 4k60 on a $200 GPU.

>>379965083
those shitty games dont count

>make a game with shit graphics
>run it at 4k
>means anything

>>379965384
IIRC, the 1600 is the sweetspot between price/perf

>>379936926
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W4CbHN
This is better than an Xbox One for a bit over 500. Done.

>>379964881
You could always try buying someone's old gaming rig. Even an oced 2600k can still game at high fps. Used 3770k PCs complete, and gaming ready seem to be going for sub $500 prices today.

>>379965912
>FX-8350
WHY

>>379966183
Price. 8350 is better at that price range than any Intel product.

>>379966183
It's competing with a Jaguar CPU, it's more than enough.

>>379966183
>WHY

Exactly. Might as well get a console. Even at 5ghz these can't play the fun unoptimized games that make gaming on a PC worth while.

>>379965912
Now build a 4k gaming PC at 60fps or more please as cheap as you can

>>379960856

>>>/g/60861292

>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings

>>379966365
The G4560 will perform roughly on par with it for about half the price.

>>379965384
1600 is the sweet spot. 1500 is still good if you're in a pinch.

>>379965106
Yes. But from I got out of this thread, I'm going to be playing my old Xbox a little longer.

>>379967832
You're not going to max games at 4k@60fps with a 1080Ti but you can play them at medium very reliably with it at those settings.

>>379966470

No it's not.

That shit CPU and GPU will have nowhere near the performance of the XBX.

Also it's not even $500, it's $600.

>>379968483
Kek, delusion, the CPU in the XBX is trash.

>>379967485
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9TJ82R

>>379968889
>750w
why?

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>made $7 in the past 2 days mining ethereum while afk on an r9 290x
>mfw this thread

>>379968889
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9TJ82R
And if you got the 1600 instead? Don't you need to play 4k at 144+ fps for a 144hz monitor to matter?

How much would that cost?

>>379968371
See this
>>379966146

Go at least 2500k/2600k or newer as long as you can overclock if you want to play games like arma, pubg, poorly coded Japanese games, emulators, or most non AAA games. AAA titles will do good on both Intel, and and for the most part, but if you want to save even more cash any 4core Intel newer than Sandy bridge at at least 3.2ghz will game as good/better than any amd fx CPU.

>>379969450
>want to get into this next mining craze
>everyone has bought out RX580s near me and everywhere sold out online

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>379970440
They'll be cheap af when miners upgrade tho. I remember getting hd7970s for $150 each when the radeon 200 series released.

>>379963885
a workstation PC can emulate that shit well enough for all but the most autistic purists.

Plus NES, N64(but kind of poorly, unfortunately), Gamecube, and Wii
And Gameboy, GBC, GBA, DS, and 3DS
And to some degree, Genesis/Saturn/Dreamcast
And PS1, PS2(but poorly in some cases), and PSP

Also you can emulate an old ass PC like a 486 or a pentium 1 up to like 300MHz, so you can play ancient fucking PC games that won't work on modern systems. With a few exceptions, though, most of that has either been brought in to compatibility with modern systems one way or another, or just isn't very good in retrospect.

A normal human being lives about 660,000 hours, an is awke about 440,000 of those. A NEET probably doesn't last quite as long. I suspect the combined libraries of the PC up to the current year +2, and essentially all consoles up and possibly including the WiiU/PS3/Xbox360 would be enough to occupy a dedicated NEET from now till death.

Truly, a used workstation with a 1050Ti or similar card is the best machine for today's NEETs.

>>379957965
This is the best price/performance PC in this thread, but I would suggest spending an extra $200 to go up to $600 and get a dual CPU system that will ensure you'll be able to play games for years to come.

>>379946397
Not just a massive library but a much cheaper one, especially over time when you include emulators and cheap deals and the like

>>379957965

Won't this need a better PSU, and psu to proprietery Mobo adaptors?

>>379974274
>Won't this need a better PSU
Quite likely, I'd say

>and psu to proprietery Mobo adaptors?
Probably not, but for a large card, you might have to saw out chunks of the case in order to J-J-Jam it in, or yanno, get a new case.

I personally like to go for the saw first.

$500 could easily get you a used quality workstation and then gpu