/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>i5-7600K is 91 watt TDP
There exist people in 2017 who still buys this shit, when the Ryzen 5 is 65 watts, about as good IPC, and far superior multi thread performance.

>>60861292
>R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
An i5 beats the 1500X in nearly every benchmark, game, and software. KYS, OP

>>60861292
R5 1600x or R7 1700 for gaming?

>>60861722
1600 non-X for gaming.

What's the current go-to GPU overclocking program? Is there still nothing to choose from but ugly G4M3R branded closed source trash?

>>60861716
The Intel shills have arrived.
Please tell me how superior you are for having to pay extra for everything and how hews stealing your wallet is for the benefit of consumers.

>>60861716
Isn't i5 the ones that are crippled because intel is cheapass and won't give you hyperthreading with them?

>>60861743
>only caring about muh gaymes

Consider using your PC as something besides a glorified xbox.

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What are the main differences between AMD's AM4 chipsets (A320/B350/X370)?

>>60861722
R5 1600.

Expect 3.9Ghz at 1.35v.

1700 has more cores but doesn't offer much in the way of gaming. 1600x may be more likely to hit 4.0 but the increased price + the cost of a cooler isn't worth the gamble for 100mhz.

>>60861749
Yes.Hyper threading needs there to be twice the number of threads compared to cores.
All the i5's are 4 core, 4 threads. You don't get an 8 thread 4 core chip until you spend more for an i7.

>>60861768
A320 doesn't support overclocking or multiple GPU's.
B350 supports overclocking and crossfire on most boards
X370 supports overclocking, crossfire, and SLI.

>>60861768
X370 is the high end, but only for people who use multiple videocards.

B350 is for everybody else. If you just want a solid computer with reasonable power usage, that's the way to go.

>>60861749
>>60861747
>unironically defending the 1500X and the abortion that is the 1400
The i5-7500 is simply better and stronger than the 1500X. There is no if ands or buts about it. The 1500X suffers from poor perfromance compared to the six cores.

recommended CPU and GPU for a $950 PC that only needs to be able to stream and play CS?

>>60861796
>defending 4 cores and 4 threads in 2017

>>60861796
It's a value proposition for people who can only afford 4 cores.
But they get 8 threads in the CPU because it has hyperthreading, unlike your i5.

>>60861803
AMD Ryzen 5 1600

>>60861804
>>60861811
More threads does not equal more cores. All SMT and HT does is allow some additional CPU resources to be used at the same time, it does not benefit you if said core resources are being used up by a single thread. More powerful cores trumps a weaker multi-threaded core for this reason.

>>60861852
>More powerful cores
But your baby lake is only 5% wider.

The rest is done through megahurtz, which turns the CPU into an oven.

>>60861852
>he's trying so hard

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NBhqM8
>Gaming PC
>3K Euros to blow
>Ireland

I want to make a powerful gaming pc, one that will last me years to come.
I have no clue about buying parts and their quality.
I have especially have no clue about power supplies or GPUs.

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Hi anons, I just got a job, and after I pay rent I intend on upgrading my PC as I feel like i'm partly responsible for global warming with my current build ...
Fx-8350 , 8gb RAM , 750w PSU (no name) and r9 280x from Sapphire . And 1tb hdd. Pc built in 2014 with second hand parts (except cpu)
Busy with university stuff and work, but I want to have a better rig to play games, as I notice some frame drops with some newer games.
I plan on playing latest titles, but only at 1080p 60fps . Doesn't have to be ultra, but nothing lower than medium (at worst).
Gamelist right now, is just r6:s, titanfall2 ,dishonored 2 (wanna buy it)
Thanks in advance ;3

>>60861911
shit, forgot to mention, Denmark

>>60861907
That coolermaster wont stop your house from burning down. Get a better cooler if you're getting a 7700k. Look into delid shit as well.

Get an SSD.

>>60861871
>>60861884
Once Raven Ridge comes out, I'll agree with you on ditching the i5 for good, but right now Ryzen 5 1500X and 1400 are not as good as the Core i5 or the Ryzen 5 1600/X. Raven Ridge will perform better than either quad cores since it's one a single CCX. No inter-CCX latency = better total performance, despite having less L3 cache.

>calling me a shill just because I called out AMD's worst Zen CPU for what it is
top kek
This is why we hate fanboys. Now fuck off forever before I kick your heads in.

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>>60861743

>>60861292
what do they mean with diffused in usa

>>60861911
Well, the OP is the good hint for you.

Maybe try and use http://geizhals.eu/ to shop around for the CPU, since the Ryzen CPUs are heavily taxed in Denmark.

>>60861955
the silicon is fabed in the usa
the cpu is assembled in Malaysia

Looking for a solidworks rig, will be frequently running slicer and CAM software, as well as stalker, doom, the new metro game thats coming soon (tm)
So far im thinking of a 1600 and 580 with 16gigs of fastish ram.
Good?
Will serve as a replacement to a piledriver fx6300 and hd7770 rig.
Id keep it going longer but my mobo's kinda fucked

>>60861911
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dRYrQV

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>>60861945
I don't know Anon.

Intel has traditionally valued their i5 Quadcores at 200 USD, while they asked 300 USD for the hyperthreading equivalent.

The R5 1400 offers that hyperthreading on quadcore for almost nothing.

>>60861995
But compared to the 1600 and 1600X, both of the quad core Ryzens fall on their faces and clearly can't seem to scale the same. Wait for Raven Ridge and their much cheaper Athlons X4s.
Until then ,suck a dick

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Some notes when selecting parts for your build. Taking this into consideration will assist in picking the right parts for the machine.

Pcpartpicker notes:

1. If you're using pcpp, keep in mind that the price at the bottom is never what the actual price will be. It will consistently be more expensive.

2. It takes time for pcpp to update, sometimes vendors end their sales on the product you selected before you can purchase it.

3. When selecting a product, make sure it doesn't have any notes that shipping will take over a month.

4. Some services that offer free shipping means you will be waiting several weeks for your items to ship. If the free shipping has a long wait time, it may be best to throw $15 at one of the vendors for a faster arrival time.


Some component picking notes:

1. If at all possible, go with SSD over HDD. Instead of picking up a small boot SSD and keeping all of your files on an HDD; throw all the money into one larger SSD. Use pcpp's sort by "lowest $/gb" and pick up any 2.5" or m.2 SSD.

1a. If you don't have the money for an SSD, I like Hitachi for any HDD needs.

1b. If you need large-scale storage, consider running a raid configuration with a higher cache HDD.

2. Some cheap mATX boards only have two ram slots, this is fine if you don't plan on ever upgrading the computer.

3. Always opt for dual-channel memory instead of one large ram stick. You are essentially doubling your memory bandwidth, this will benefit you in many modern software applications.

4. A video card that will meet your processor in performance will be considerably more expensive than the processor itself. However, the benefits are often well above 60fps anyway. Consider picking up a video card that is around the price of your processor if you plan on upgrading in a few years.

5. 8GB of video memory is most suitable for 4K gaming. If you don't plan on running above 1080p; opt for a 4GB or 6GB configuration.

>>60861942
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pWJV9W
How is this?

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>>60862018
Which benchmarks are you actually referring to?

From what I have seen of the 1500X, it's actually doing okay.
And it actually stays very low power consumption, even when you make it reach its limit at 3,9 Ghz.

I think you have fallen victim to some negative marketing Anon.

>>60861796
i5-7500 has no single core advantage and no SMT, it flat out loses to the 1500X. There is no reason to buy any non-K i5/i7 at the moment.

>>60862037

The 7700k has a poor $/performance ratio, it's terribly expensive for slight fps gains over ryzen above 120 fps.

I would recommend you going with an R5 1700.

I also recommend dropping down from a 1080 ti to a 1080, the gains from a ti are slight, and the expense is much greater.

A 700 watt power supply is overkill. I recommend going with a 500 watt as you will never get to that range even overclocking the current components. Future components will use less electricity, so a 500 will not be obselete.

STOP BUYING AMD

>>60861743
>>60862085
Reminder to report shitposters.

>>60862037


This is me >>60862084

If you want, I can get a part list of my recommendations to you.

>>60861987
looks good

>>60861992
gut

>>60862037
complete shit

>>60861987
>Good?
Yep. Consider 1060 6GB if you can't find a 580 for retail price.

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>>60862085

>>60861552
This girl is so cute. It makes me happy to know there are cute girls out there that like salsa verde that much

>>60862101
>I can get a part list of my recommendations to you.
Yes please, I am fucking clueless.

Is the stock AM4 thermal paste good enough or should I replace it?

>>60862139
If you have nothing else, just use the default.

No need to spendmoney on new paste until you decide for an aftermarket cooler.

>>60862078
>i5-7500 has no single core advantage
Yes it does at stock speeds
>and no SMT
Like I noted before, SMT and HT are not decisive advantages if all cores are being stressed already. So the R5 1500X offers no significant gain over the i5 as a result.
>There is no reason to buy any non-K i5/i7 at the moment.
Lower overall power consumption for performance you can only get with an overclocked quadcore Ryzen. Plus, the platform is more mature and offers more features than Ryzen (even if it's purely from Intel's Jewish tricks, like Optane support), as well as an iGPU integrated into the package.

Until Raven Ridge comes out, the Core i5s and i7s still have their place in the market.

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>>60862131
Give me a bit and I'll have one ready for you

>>60862084
>R5 1700
:^)

>>60862152
>Lower overall power consumption
What?

The Ryzen 5 you are talking about are all 65 watts.
The i5 you're talking about are mostly 91 watt cpus.

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>>60862152
You're flat out wrong. The only Intel CPUs to have any single core advantage over Ryzen at the moment are 4-core K-series i3/i5/i7. And SMT is an advantage or Intel wouldn't charge more for it on their i7's.

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decent fan control software?

>>60862084
>7700k has a poor $/performance ratio
It has no competition at its price point. Outside of fringe overpriced halo products, trying to decide exactly how many FPS each dollar gives you is dumb, and also misleading. If you need a particular level of performance, you go for it.
The 1080 ti is also "bad value" for the money. But if you want the performance, there's no alternative.
Certainly the R7 is no competition. You want to talk bad value for gaming, that's ground zero.

Poorfag here, just inherited some older box with 2500k, evo 212, 16 gb ram, kingston kv300 ssd and some 650w ocz psu, it has no gpu though, what would be a good card to go with the cpu for light gayman & movies?

>>60862131

Hey, it's >>60862158

Here's my recommended part list, if you don't plan on overclocking then it's unnecessary to pick up an aftermarket cooler.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pByfZ8

If you want to get windows the right way with no worries or issues about keys or pirating, I got you set up with windows 10 home, you don't need pro for anything.

>>60862202
Also, don't worry about the compatibilit with the cooler. They all now ship with am4 mounting brackets.

You'll have to repick the monitor you want.

Is the 1080ti bad value compared to the 1070 and 1080 for 1440p?

>>60862191
1050 or 1050 ti.

>>60862186
>It has no competition
The competition is the Ryzen 7, which has nearly as much IPC as it for single thread.

But the Ryzen 7 also beats it in multithread.

>>60862202
>>60862212
Looks good, how long would it be relevant though?
I don't want to have to upgrade in 4 years.

How is this for a mini itx build? Only willing to budge on the motherboard form factor if you can named a case that lays flat like this anything I should cut back?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8VLDsJ

>>60861734
*or the X variant, if you plan on using a different cooler and want the extra XFR.

Some people just don't want a Wraith Spire cooler.

>>60862186
>no competition at its price point.
>at its price point

it's expensive and not worth it, you're right on that one.

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GO AMD GO !

>>60862169
>The i5 you're talking about are mostly 91 watt cpus.
That's because you're a fucking moron.
The i5-7500 is a 65W TDP CPU, but in reality, it consumes about 82-88W under load. The 1500X eats up about 92W, which is respectable, but not as good as the non-HT Core i5 (for reference, I think the Core i7 uses about 100W or more under the same conditions). All of these are including the chipset, RAM, and drive power usage.
>>60862175
Cinebench is still an inaccurate benchmark for true CPU performance, since it just lumps together all of the different benchmarks into a single score (that's not even properly averaged). Using real world programs like Adobe Photoshop and AfterEffects, the Core i5 7500 is faster to render compared to the 1500X and the 1400. But with encryption, the 1500X blows the fuck out of the 7500.
Overall, the 7500 still holds an advantage over the 1500X and the 1400. I hear Raven Ridge might be able to reach higher clock speeds than Ryzen, so wait for that instead.

>>60862252
>how long would it be relevant though?
8 cores and 16 threads. The CPU will be solid for years to come.

The videocard won't be considered high end anymore in 3 years time though.
You may want to downgrade that a bit if you don't want it to lose too much value.

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>these GPU prices
>these RAM prices
>these HDD prices

Is this the worst time in history to be building a new PC? What the fuck is going on why is everything so insanely expensive? $2000 used to be top of the fucking line bleeding edge and now it's barely mid-high.

>>60862220
>which has nearly as much IPC as it for single thread.
The R7 is beat, and beat badly by the 7700K in gaming. Only a few games I've seen it perform either on par of better. It's not close.
Ryzen's IPC isn't a "little slower". It's a lot slower. And its mediocre performance in games shines through.

>>60862260
It's a fine argument to make, but by the same token, the R7 isn't worth it either.

Is pairing a 1600 with a 1070 the patricians choice?

>>60862319
Thing I hate about the 7700K is that you basically have no choice but to delid the fucker.

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>>60861292
Question: say I want to mine cryptocoins, would a x399 Mobo with the 16 core Threadripper and 4 big Vega GPUs be good for this?
No idea if it is as I don't mine presently, but from what I've read, it's "more power = more coins".

>>60862340
Even the 7600K runs hella hot, my brother bought one before ryzen 5 came out and he keeps bitching about temps.

>>60862215
Alright, TI doesn't seem that much more expensive so I guess I'd go with it, any specific brand that I should pursue/avoid?

>>60862318
Yeah, shits wonky right now with former 3rd world nations now being able to buy decent technology components.

Far more demand + not a huge growth in supply = more $/item.

>>60862379
Don't forget that phones need DDR4 and that's supposedly what's jacking up the prices.

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>>60862286
>AfterEffects

Funny you should mention that.

Kind of off topic, my old 500gb wd blue died after 5 years of heavy usage, should I buy another wd blue (or a different wd one) or a different brand?

>>60862388
Which developing 2nd & 3rd world'ers are buying in massive numbers.

Prices are going to be high / skewed for a while until they get those markets saturated.

>>60862418
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-failure-rates-q1-2017/

>>60862418
Never buy Blues what's wrong with you? Main drives should be Black or SSD, and bulk storage should be Green or Red.

There has never in all time been a reason to buy Blues.

>>60862319
I think you have mistaken IPC for clockspeed.

All it has is a ton more clock speed. And it comes at a high price which the 1700 doesn't suffer from. It's just a 65 watt part.

Can i control fan speed on 4-pin pwm fans?

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Can you build a PC that performs the same as pic related for $500?

>>60862507
Will the component manufacturers sell to me at a loss?

>>60862177
every fan or just gpu?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8Cyd6

you guys think this is good enough for streaming CS?

>>60862474
Yes, thats why they have one more pin than 3pin, and are called pulse width moderation (pwm) fans

>>60862535
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8Cyd6
you cant go with a 1700 and a 1060 my dude nooooop gotta go with a 1070 or crossfire 580s

>>60862535
Downgrade the CPU to Ryzen 5 1600.
And get faster RAM, for dual channel too.

>>60862535
Ryzen 7 can stream games way more complex than that without a hitch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL2TAJvfiQU

Does it matter what direction the CMOS battery is pointing?

>>60862507
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wXWXzM
This is the common cookie cutter build for a console killer

>>60862535
>streaming
>8 GiB
Stop.

>>60862535
You'd be good with a 1600 X or non.

>>60862459
The wd blue came from a prebuilt, I haven't had any troubles with them.

>>60862562

i just need to be able to maintain 200+ FPS while playing and streaming

and while GO is an older game, the engine is pretty shitty and can be hard to get good frames on with good builds

>>60862507
How much is free online?

>>60862579
>I haven't had any troubles with them
>my old 500gb wd blue died

>>60862584
Well, both the 1600 and 1700 ryzen CPUs are very competent at streaming.
Since they simply have more than enough amount of cores and threads.

They need faster Ram though, and they definitely need dual channel.
A R5 1600 with proper memory will perform better than the R7 1700 in your build.

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>>60862584
There is a really good review about streaming benchmark here:
https://youtu.be/MrFxDlHLZJc?t=388

It shows how much performance each CPU loses during streaming.

http://www.frys.com/product/7725758?site=204premail061117
or
http://www.frys.com/product/7726278?site=204premail061117

>>60862554
Can i do it using some software? or is a fan controller the only way?

Just got my Ryzen 1600 + 1060 build complete.
I've got speccy, what do you all use to monitor temps and what not?
Maybe some benchmarks too.

>>60862584
I found a vid of someone playing CS:GO on a 1700X, don't know if this helps you but it doesn't look like the FPS goes under 200 at any point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UDmOk5wIBc

>>60862729
I think MSI Afterburner is a pretty popular program.

>>60862729
HWMonitor

Critique or praise my first build pls

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zCVYKZ

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I just finished my computer build and found pic related in the case box. It's an LED strip from my Phanteks p400 case.

I tried to look up a youtube video for how to use it, but they only seem to connect one end of the strip. I have no idea where the other one goes? In the motherboard? PSU? anyone have any idea?

thanks friends

>>60862568
Wouldn't the 470 be a bit outdated for modern games?

>>60862882
No. The RX 570 is only a light refresh of the 470.

>>60862813
1060 6 GB is overkill for that CPU. Go down to 1060 3 GB.

I have a Rx 480 and I want to cash in on the crypto mining craze. I have a 144hz freesnyc monitor. Will that lead to any fuckyness if I use an Nvidia card?
What's a good holdover card to get while I wait for prices on polaris to drop and/or Vega to come out? I'm really just playing Overwatch and World of Warcraft right now, but i'd hate to be stuck with a lower end card for too long.

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>Intel is currently working on a "multichip package" (MCM) integrating an Intel CPU and an AMD GPU. So this is confirmed guys.

>>60862873
The other end is if you want to extend the led strip.

>>60862906
FrankenCPU when? I bet Apple put them up to this.

>>60862900
Freesync only works with AMD cards.
For an nVidia card, you need a much more expensive G-sync monitor
>falling for Jewish trucks

>>60862906
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/249581-intel-puts-kibosh-reports-will-license-amd-gpu-technology

>>60862897
Would the rx 470 be a better pick for the price than both of those?

>>60862939
They're about the same. Problem is the RX GPUs are sold out everywhere due to cryptominers, so you can't find it at a good price right now anyway. Unless you get really lucky.

>>60862939
yes. The extra GB of vram makes a difference in a number of games.

>>60862939
You'd still want to get a 1060 3 GB over a RX 470.

Sup. I've got a C2Q Q8200, 4gb ram ebay prebuilt special. I've upgraded the system with an EVGA 430w PSU.

I'm looking for a budget/used video card that can run most games at 1080p/60fps. Max budget is $50, location is east USA.

I've been looking at used GTX 750 Ti cards, but then I realized that I could add in the EVGA psu I had so now I could use more power hungry but potentially more powerful video card.

I've been staring at ebay for a while and I'm stuck.

plz be of help

>>60862813
>>60862939
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fdTHTH
Snatch a 470 if you can find it for retail.

>>60862689
bump

>>60862929
I'm ok with not using my Freesync for a couple months as long as it still works as a normal 144hz monitor. But are there glitches/ incompatibilities, stuttering, black screens that kind of thing?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/#view=YxmvK8
Building my first PC. Nothing crazy. Budget is at $1,200. How does this look?
I'm using a 1080p 60hz Benq TN 24" monitor.

I don't want to go too crazy with a gaming PC in fear I won't use it often enough to justify spending over $1,500. Did I choose good parts?

>>60862985
Do you really think the extra gb of vram is worth it on that 1050?

>>60862915
oh shit, thanks anon.
It still won't turn on though it's plugged in, is there a setting I need to turn on or something?

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Since I have a lot of cores on my Ryzen, so you think it would be a good idea to run an anti virus program of sorts?

Every game I download is executed inside a sandbox, so I'm not afraid of doing something wrong.
I just think maybe it's a good idea, since the webbrowser could have vulnerabilities or something.

>>60863009
frame tearing is a thing.

>>60863078
IIRC the P400 should have an RGB controller built into the case. Did you plug in the power for that?

Currently using a Pentium G4560 and a RX 460.

I want to upgrade, but unsure if I first go with a RX 580 or R5 1600. Only doing one at a time.

Since RX 580s are impossible to find right now am I better off getting the CPU and waiting, or is there an immediate nvidia alternative I can go for?

Would appreciate the help.

>>60863142
Only if you're an idiot on windows 10.

>>60863248
I'm on windowws 8.1, but there are a lot of games that will only be released on Windows 10, right?

>>60862286
Holy shit someone is working really hard for that paycheck.

>>60863257
Multiplat games unless it's a third party which will eventually port it to Steam instead of the Windows Store, which has been garbage since release. I have yet to see a triple A game Windows 10 minimum spec requirement on Steam.

>>60863281
Why are people so worried about windows 10 anyway?

Is there something sinister in windows 10, which wasn't in windows 8 already?

>>60863305
>Is there something sinister in windows 10, which wasn't in windows 8 already?
Windows 10 will collect your metadata for commercial use, usually to sell your data so companies can specifically target you with ads.

>>60863322
But raja is the gpu guy, shillbill.

>>60863322
Ryzen or Kaby lake both have extremely good single thread performance.

It's simply good advice to recommend people to get the most multithread performance for their money in the coming years.

Your single thread arguments had its days, but even intel is now pushing for multithread in its i9 processors.

How reliable are wd green or red drives? The 3tb wd green is pretty tempting for $80 and a 2tb red with 3 year warranty doesn't seem to bad either.

>>60863370
>to get the most multithread performance for their money
That means "Wait for Raven Ridge or go buy a 1600". The 1500X and 1400 are shitty choices where even their Intel equivalent are better at most tasks.

>>60863435
didn't the other guy link you to some Adobe after effect test that proved otherwise?

What's a good monitor under $150?

>>60863496
https://youtu.be/K0ZQUkuO7FU

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I just finished building my PC with a ASRock Fatality B350 mobo. But when I try to boot Windows 7 with a USB (using rufus), it only gets to Windows 7 screen where you choose the language. Then my USB, keyboard and mouse stop working and the whole screen freezes.

anyone know the solution to this problem? pls help

>>60863520
I was actually looking to get that one but I read on the reviews that the backlight was bleeding through so if you were looking at any dark pictures/videos it looked like absolute shit.

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>>60863435
>>60863435
>The 1500X and 1400 are shitty choices
For every day programs like 7zip, which we all use, they are extremely good.

I seems like some of the criticism you have belongs in the past, with the last generation AMD cpus.

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So I wanted to get myself a better PC. Someone was willing to give me one as a gift if I could find all the parts to play the latest games at a good fps, so like.. 400-500$?

This is all I have now, and I can hardly play anything like Overwatch and none of the new stuff. I was wondering where to even start looking for guides on PC stuff and there's just so much fluff and clickbait everywhere for "CHEAP GAYMIN BUIELDS" I cannot actually upgrade this one (it is seemingly missing a PSU and a GPU, both intergrated into the motherboard). I don't really know much about computers but if I could just find the parts (if it's THAT much better than finding a good prebuilt) then I could get a guide. I'm just kind of looking for a step in the right direction to start.

>>60863588
It seems most recent IPS monitors have bleeding problems.

>>60863489
>getting an edge in one program means it's automatically better
That's not how this works

>>60863598
No, they're unique to the 1400 and 1500X due to them having just two cores per CCX and having to commit resources across those two CCXes. I don't know what voodoo magic is involved in not making their 6-core shit, because the 1600 and 1700 scale linearly with the number of cores they have at their disposal AND their single-threaded capability. For whatever reason, the 1500X and 1400 are not as good per core and don't show the same sort of scaling with multithreading.

>>60863654
Then I will buy a TN panel.

>>60863662
Show some evidence because what you say is bullshit. Also the i5s are still not good choices. You can't overclock any random chip to 5GHz on air cooling.

Hi guys, looking for some quick advice, related enough to this thread

I got this PC offer and am thinking about it... But probably better to buy brand new.

CPU - i5 6500
GPU - R9 280X 3GB 256 bit
RAM - 8GB DDR3
MB - Gigabyte H110M-S2H DDR3-CF
PS - Raidmax RX-1200AE
Tower - Cooler Master Silencio (352 I think)

(I already have 500GB and am planning on buying 120GB SSD)

3 year old, in good condition. Trustworthy seller.

Offer: 405 euros (~450$)
I tried to find those same parts for cheap online: 605 euros (~670$)

Good? Bad? Mediocre?

Can I build something better in that Price Range?

Thanks

>>60863648
The files are IN the computer?!

>>60863675
>because what you say is bullshit
>>60862175
Compare the 1800X, the 1600X, and the 1500X's multi-threaded scores, as well as their single-threaded scores. There is a big drop between the 1500X and the other two in both tests.
Also, most games do better with a 1600X than a 1500X, even if both of them are overclocked. There is clearly something going on with the four core models.

That's why I keep saying wait for Raven Ridge, which will not have those problems since it's just a single CCX with none of the cross-CCX issues the 1400 and 1500X are exhibiting.

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>>60863662
>>60863715
>No, they're unique to the 1400 and 1500X
That sounds like a silly trolling you have read somewhere, and for some reason believe they are true.
See this multitask review>>60862683
It shows the 1500X is spanking even the 7700K at live streaming.

>will not have those problems since it's just a single CCX with none of the cross-CCX issues the 1400 and 1500X are exhibiting.
The 1500X has the full 16MB cache, so that is the one which is communicating across the die with two cores on either side.
The 1400 has just 8MB cache, so all its 4 cores is on the same side.

The 1500X consistently outperform the 1400. So whatever you have been taught about those "CCX" are lies.

>>60863696
That's actually a decent build. Power supply is way overkill.
Beyond that, for the price, it's a solid build. If this were a new build, I'd have said fuck no, go rysen, but buying a second-hand build, that's not bad.

>>60863757
>The 1400 has just 8MB cache, so all its 4 cores is on the same side.
That's not true either. The 1400 has been confirmed to be working on both CCXes, not just one. Both CCXes draw power on either 1400 and 1500X, so clearly half of the cores are on both CCXes.
>It shows the 1500X is spanking even the 7700K at live streaming
And yet the 1500X still has lower average FPS than the comparable 7700 (non-K) or even the 6700, despite having near similar clock speeds. AMD's SMT is better at allocated unused core resources than Intel's current HT, but it's still not pulling its weight like the 1600X and 1700X/1800X are.

>>60863715
>still no evidence
Of course the 1600 beat the 1500x in newer games since even those utilize more cores and threads now. There's literally no reason to recommend an i5.

>>60863815
>The 1400 has been confirmed to be working on both CCXes
Proof?

According to the articles I have read, the 1400 is just 8MB cache. Which means one of the halves must have its cache deactivated.

>>60862900
was in this situation and got a 1070. runs games much better (as it should) than my 480, and i don't even notice anything bad on my freesync 144hz screen.
would have gone 1080, but i'm sticking with 1080 for a few more years.

>>60863648
kek, are you the dude from that rising storm 2 thread on /vg/? I will help you bro if you are still there. You got bullied hard.

>>60863983
Nah, I'm just generally really poor. Right now my sisters dont have a computer and I want to give them mine so they can do their games like minecraft, osu, stuff like that. There's not much to do in this little house. If I could just get a gaming one for myself then overall everyone will be happier and more entertained

>>60864050
Why don't you fuck your sisters instead? Sorry for being rude.

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>>60864127
But there is literally nothing wrong with fucking your own sister.

>>60864127
I could. But that wouldn't be very cash money of me

>>60863648
>>60864050
don't know about the others but I find that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/wiki/builds

is a good starting point. The cheapest build will be enough if all you want to play is overwatch or other esports game.
> le reddit
yes i know

>>60864136
Shaft makes the best porn.

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>>60864186
>intel shilling guide
>good starting point

>>60864238
what's a good amd alternative to g4560?

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>>60864265
Read their excuse for why there is no mention of AMD in the guide.

>Ryzen has proven it's able to unlock much more performance
>so we recommend you don't buy it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V6hqM8

>Purpose
Gaming, the occasional video capture of said gaming, and running CAD.
>Budget
I'd like to spend no more than $1500 on the build itself.

>Games/Software
ARMA 3, DCS, GTA 5, Overwatch, Bannerlord (never), PTC Creo, Solidworks.

>Resolution
I'll probably be getting a monitor as well. Let's assume 2560×1440.

>Goal
Lower price down into my budget range while keeping performance. If possible, I would like to be able to run VR decently if some titles are released that push me towards buying it.

>>60864295
But their is no single core ryzen.

>>60864340
Your mom is single cored.

>>60864353
While your mum having 2011 pricks in her?

>>60863648
>>60864050
>generally really poor
>wants a good build

Okay, as someone in the same position and have had to help other poorfags (or Jews) like yourself get a good rig for cheap, you better understand this concept right now: used parts = stronger build; new parts = weak build.

If you're too afraid of going used for social or reliability reasons, then don't go around looking for the best graphics cards, SSDs, and so forth; think low-end stuff. If you want mid-high end stuff but refuse to go the used route, don't bother. That "must be new and shiny and name brand" mentality is why poorfags stay poorfags and other people think you need $1000+ to compete with a console.

>>60864186
Sweet Jesus I didn't think plebbit could be any more plebbit. Zero Ryzen recommendations in June 2017, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

From their wiki:
>there isn't a large demand for people with $1000+ builds
How fucking pleb can you even be?

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>>60864434
Ryzen is getting free optimization from game developers all over the place now, but they literally use that as excuse to call it unsafe and to stay away.

>>60864429
I gotcha Anon. I just get really tired of this choppy FPS and other junk where I just cant enjoy games at all. I wouldnt mind buying all used parts if i knew a place that had them. Checking that build above, there was one called the "crusher" that seemed pretty nice? Is that too weak, outdated or what?

>>60864333
no HDD???

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>>60864480
That is such a fucking disservice to people that don't know any better, buying outdated garbage like a core i5 7400 because apparently building an intel PC is more idiot proof than building an AMD PC. What a fucking joke of a guide.

>>60864340
And even the G4560 has 2 cores
Try a different argument faggot

>>60864513
There's no 2core ryzen either.

>>60864521
Your main argument seem to be Ryzen doesn't exist. Because you're defending a guide that claims just that and excludes it from every price point.

>>60864521
no. but there are 4 core Ryzen-based Athlons and A-series CPUs and APUs coming.

>>60864521
There probably never will be since Ryzen 3 looks like it bottoms out at 4c/4t. What's your point again?

>>60864543
>>60864537
>>60864534
>getting triggered this easily
This is funny. The point is that the Intel cpu id's so cheap that there's no alternative yet in that segment. Did that change recently?

>>60862568
The RX 470 can do 4K@60 in medium settings?

>>60864565
Do you see OP post>>60861292?

That guide recommends both AMD and intel. Your guide pretends Ryzen doesn't exist at all.

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Just kind of threw this together as a starting point. The goal is to max out modern titles at 60 to 144 fps.

I'm a little conflicted about Intel vs. Ryzen for the CPU. Lots of conflicting information out there due to fanboyism and similar autism. I've heard things about Ryzen being good for higher resolutions, but at 1080p, I have no idea which is better and it's honestly just confusing as hell.

Nvidia GPUs seem like a no-brainer at this price point, but I haven't really been keeping up and am open to suggestions.

16GB of RAM because I like my VMs and fuck it, why not? 1x16GB because it was slightly cheaper than 2x8GB. Is there any difference in performance?

The SSD is probably overkill considering that it costs more than the motherboard and is worth half of the GPU, but I don't really care about money and the idea of it makes me wet. The HDD is just something that was recommended to me and may or may not be a retarded purchase.

Saw good reviews for the motherboard and the colors match the GPU so I slapped that bad boy on there, fuck it. Heard good things about the CPU cooler and it's not one of those giant brown things that look like ass, so I threw that on the list too.

Not sure about the PSU. Good reviews, but 750W feels like it could maybe possibly be overkill. PCPartPicker says 392W, so that's about double the wattage.

Still need a case, not sure what to get. I'd really like a quiet case, and a nice big window would also be cool. Doesn't need to be super flashy; I'm not much into the aggressive gamer aesthetic. LEDs and such are fine, as long as they're tasteful.

I'd like an optical drive, but I have no idea what to get and I'm not sure about internal vs. external. I don't use optical media much anymore, but I do have some old games and CDs that I'd still like to use.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated. Like I said, I just whipped this up spur of the moment so I won't mind scrapping the whole thing and starting over if it's shit.

Yo need some help with this.
There's a guy selling a GTX 970 (one of the 3 fan Gigabyte versions) which he is selling for the same price of a new GTX 1060 which actually outperforms the 970 out of the box.

He wants me to give him an offer for the card, and ebay isn't helping me find a reasonable price.

What should I offer that would be reasonable but not lowballing?

>>60864565
>Did that change recently?
The R5 1500X (same price as 7400) and R5 1400 ($20 less than 7400) have been around for over a month now, so depends on what you mean by recently. You'd be pretty clueless not to recommend either of them over an 4c/4t i5 that's the same price.

>>60864509
Reusing the ones from my current PC.

As is the case with my cd/dvd reader/writer.

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>>60864596
>970
Stay the fuck away.

>tfw the ship of Theseus hits you in the face and you realize all that you have left are the drives
it's an abstract sort of feel

>>60864594
>it's good at higher resolutions
>but I can't tell if it's still good if the cpu needs to do less work
I never understood this logic.

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Am I supposed to buy a CD drive?

My USB (boot usb/mouse) drives stop working when I try to install windows and I suspect the drives are out of date. But I don't have a CD drive to use the CD that came with the motherboard. What do?

>>60864607
>being illiterate
We were talking about the lowest tier cpus not the middle range.

>>60864594
How many times have you posted this over the week?

>>60864664
The guide doesn't cover just lowest tier. The overall guide is biased.

The question is, why are you only looking at the lowest tier of the guide while ignoring the rest?

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>>60861292
>tfw wanted to build a pc and didnt want to wait for amd
>tfw regretting it

bet i wont even be able to get 50 bucks for this intel/nvidia build once vega hits

>>60864136
>>60864226
Source?

>>60864677
Because i don't actually look at the guide, I just know that every guide recommends the g4560 our what's the name on the lowest tier. I'm actually a certified AMD shill but even I know that one Intel is more cost effective.

>>60864641
Nigga I don't know it's been like five years since I've built a PC. Like I said, it's confusing as hell to get back into because of the sheer amount of autism I've been seeing.

>>60864667
Once, counting about 15 minutes ago. Is this a joke about how generic the build is?

>>60864721
Why are you defending something you never took a look at?

>>60864594
>Still need a case, not sure what to get. I'd really like a quiet case, and a nice big window would also be cool. Doesn't need to be super flashy; I'm not much into the aggressive gamer aesthetic. LEDs and such are fine, as long as they're tasteful.
watch some yt reviews, get some high-end fractal.
>I'd like an optical drive, but I have no idea what to get and I'm not sure about internal vs. external. I don't use optical media much anymore, but I do have some old games and CDs that I'd still like to use.
buy one then. it's like 20 bucks.

seriously anon with that kind of budget everything will turn out fine.

>>60864664
>We were talking about the lowest tier cpus not the middle range.
That has nothing to do with the guide being completely garbage. The fact that it recommends the i5 7400 at any range throws any of its credibility out the window, even if the g4560 is a fine poorfag CPU. A broken clock is right twice a day, doesn't mean it's not a trash-tier guide.

been looking around, why are pci sata ports so expensive? might as well upgrade my fucking mobo

>>60864584
Yes, but not consistently. Then again, neither will a console. performance is very similar to a PS4 Pro

>>60864729
>>60864740
>the guide is mostly wrong so it's wrong even where it's correct
Genius. And I'm not defending it. I could give less shit about your guides. My only point is, is that part about the lowest tier choice correct? If yes then admit it. It can be still a piece of shit.

>>60864833
>And I'm not defending it
All this time this has been the only thing you have done.

Look at the OP>>60861292
Do you see your favourite little "G4560" there?
Yes you do. So that instantly makes your intel shill guide superfluous.

I have a Freesync display but I am entertaining selling my 390x that is going for $250-300 on ebay and getting a 1070 instead. Too little of an upgrade? I don't think prices on these will ever be this good again. Or are we not at peak 580 shortage?

>>60864734
Thanks, that puts my mind at ease a bit. I like the look of these fractal cases, they're pretty damn sexy.

>>60864721
yeah if only someone could recommend a good poorfag amd cpu so we all can move forward.
> buy g4560 for your cheap pc!
> or buy this amd cpu instead!

>>60864833
>is that part about the lowest tier choice correct?
Yes. Does that make up for the fact that the rest of the guide is a joke filled with misinformation? No. Apparently you don't care though so long as the G4560 gets some vindication for some reason, as if anyone would deny that it's the best CPU you can get for destitute-tier builds. I really have no idea what you're problem is.

>>60864848
>Or are we not at peak 580 shortage?
Fucking miners.

>>60865036
Should I sell my 380x? I think it only cost my like $180 last July or August. I have an old 270x on standby until new shit comes out. Looks like I could sell it used for about $160 on ebay. ETH miners are desperate it seems.

MESSAGE TO OP:

STOP INCLUDING ANY RX CARDS. Crypto is BLOWING UP RIGHT NOW!

YOU WILL NOT FIND THESE EASILY OR AT ALL.

TAKE THEM OFF THE LIST UNTIL THEY CAN REASONABLY BE HAD AGAIN.

>>60864848
Dude we are at PEAK SHORTAGE!

Ive noticed a trend on eth forums and crypto forums, a move to Nvidia 1060/1070. Alright prices have gone up on average 10% for Nvidia cards.

Marks my words, there will be 1060 and possibly 1070 shortages. Pretty soon all youll be able to get on the high end is 1080 and 1080Ti.

i was thinking of selling my strix rx 480 for a gtx 1070. would that be a good upgrade?

>>60865257
How much worse are Nvidia cards for mining? Just curious.

>>60865259
Yes, considering a 480 is hardly more powerful than a 1060.... its decent step up as the 1070 is closer to the 1080 than 1060.

Better hurry though, 1070 prices are on the rise, People are building 1070 Eth rigs because they do fairly well.

>>60865284
k so im new to pc building in general. So will i have to uninstall all of the amd drivers first before i install the gtx 1070?

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If you want a good streaming machine, this is my part recommendation. Factoring that there is no cpu overclock, and that the video card is doing the recording load.

SSD is the main drive, HDD for storing video footage and other streaming materials.

For best memory performance, I went with 3200mhz g.skill, the samsung b-die that the sticks utilize run best on Ryzen machines.

This motherboard also only takes two sticks of memory, which is all that is really necessary. If you're going to upgrade your ram, all the old sticks should be replaced for improved memory clock speeds and latencies from the new sticks anyway. Quad-channel isn't supported by Ryzen yet either.

You can go with a GTX 1070 if you want, you will still get great streaming performance, but the 1080 will last you a little longer. The ti version has a little too much markup to recommend.

Feel free to replace the case with what you want, this is a good case for a small cost. If you get your own cable ties; it'll be fine. If you do change to a windowed case; I recommend getting a modular PSU. Look for one that's on sale.

>>60865272
Not that much worse actually. Around 19-20 M/hash for Eth on GTX 1060 3GB. 1070 stock generally runs 30+ M/hash which is better than RX cards.

1060 are also more efficient (than RX cards) and could recently be had for $150 so with the shortage they were the next best thing.

Pascal cards do well with Zcash as well.

Not preferable but its what we got, I picked up 10 1060's a week ago and im running over 200 M/hash on those 10 alone.

>>60865301
Here's the link, forgot it in the original post

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Rq4VY

>>60865299
Yes. Look up DDU.

>>60865301
>>60865324
>the video card is doing the recording load.
Fucking why? With that CPU you're better off using software encoding at streaming bitrates. If you're strictly recording then sure, but you can record at high bitrates with GPU hardware encoders on potato CPU builds if you want.

>>60861292
Some reommendations to update the OP

Please explicitly state that i5 are NOT recommended bu any means, sine the R5 lineup invalidates them

Also to consider the Ryzen stock cooler instead of a sub $40USD one.

We should also add a parts recommendation for gaming, since is the most common request. Maybe updating the wiki?

Also state at the begining that the AMD GPUs are pn sky high prices because of miners, so newcomers jnderstand what's going on.

>>60862037
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pWJV9W
Sorry anon, but these are terrible choices.
These are my recommendations:
>Go for a R7 1700 or 1800X if you're fancy
>keep that cooler
>get only ONE SSD of 500GB
>get one ultrastar hitachi/hgst 3tb HDD
>The GPU is good. But i would recommend waiting on VEGA.
>that monitor is just retarded for that GPU. Get a 4k or at least 1440p.
>get faster, compatible memory.
>if you're planning on spendign up to $3000, might consider threadripper just for shits and giggles and your system will last a LONG time.
>get a Win 10 Pro OEM key from Kinguin.com at ~$25

>>60865346
aight thanks. Also i have a freesync monitor. is there any way i can get an nvidia gpu to work with it?

>>60864784
The XXX GPU should be closer to a 580 not a 470 like the Pro

>>60865315
>picked up 10 1060's a week ago
wew lad, you going to turn a profit on that? how does that setup even work? (how to hook 10 up together?)

>>60865386
It will work just like it's a regular monitor but you won't be able to use freesync.

>>60865375
If you're streaming and writing to the HDD at the same time, GPU would be best

>>60865419
Well yeah, I got them for a great deal with 8% eBay bucks.

5 cards per motherboard, with risers.

20 mhash for $160 per card is about as good as it gets.

I had 10 Radeon SKY 900 cards lined up but the KIKE seller backed out with "listing error" given..... hes probably mining with those cards as we speak.

>>60865443
You can use two different encoders and do both at the same time. Streaming with a hardware encoder is retarded unless you're partnered with Twitch and viewers have transcoding available (and you have a potato CPU for some reason) or if you're streaming to another service with more lax upload limitations. Even still, hardware encoders are garbage at streaming bitrates. Your recommendation makes zero sense. A 1700 could reasonably handle gaming and something like faster preset x264 encoding at something like 2500 kbps/720p/30fps with basically zero performance hit while gaming. Record using the GPU at 10 Mbps/720p/60fps at the same time if you really want to.

That feel when your new ryzen 5 / rx 580 doesn't post

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>>60865612
where the fuck did you snatch a 580

>>60865761
Im not him but I got one at 3:12 AM a few nights ago.

>>60865612
did you plug the HDMI cable into the motherboard or the GPU?

>>60865612
Is everything properly powered?

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>>60865612
1 MORE VICTIM

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>>60865826
HA!

>>60865761
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102246

>>60865811
>>60865815
Tried these think it might be a bios update or the ram is incompatible? Link above

>>60865881
Is there any post beeps?

>>60865881
The HDMI cable has to be plugged into the GPU.
As to posting, the first post for Ryzen takes for fucking ever supposedly because the mobo checks everything connected to it multiple times.

>>60865868
I built the exact same fucking PC for cheaper. minus the $20 keyboard and mouse combo.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zwJ82R

>>60865910
No beeps

>>60865943
I heard that & tried waiting a long time. I'm just calling support asap.

>>60865958
True but your card is $214? Recent prices are what 600$? So I thought it was reasonable...

>>60865982
>True but your card is $214? Recent prices are what 600$? So I thought it was reasonable...
That's really my only gripe with it. PSU looks really cheap and other people have reported problems with it on newegg, so when you can, I'd trash it for a better PSU.

>>60856375
Don't lie to people.
AIOs are louder.

>>60861785
X370 supports PCI bifurcation on the x16 lane

>>60862353
cpu has no effect whatsoever on hashrate, you can literally use a celeron and 5 GPU's
look up mining subreddits, for the coin you are interested in. ethereum is going strong at the moment, but there are many smaller promising ones
there are also calculators online, where you input your electricity cost and hashrate and it tells you your possible profits.
it really depends on how much electricity costs where you are and how much you're willing to spend on a miner

>>60865958
No shit yours was cheaper. You built it when RX580s weren't $600

>>60862507
I amd sells me at a loss and if upscaled 1080 is considered 4k then yes

Question what the fuck is this Speed Shift that Intel keeps advertising? Is it just merchant snake oil?

>miners buying up rx550/rx560 and nvidia cards now

just fuck my PC gaming industry up

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>>60866188
>tfw you saw it coming and hoarded 15 rx 570s and making 300% profit per card so far.

>>60866086
That's not a completed build dipshit. That's the fucking MSRP for the thing. Good luck getting ahold of one right now though

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Could somebody please rate my build?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WZ7ctJ

I'm planning on using it as a modest gaming PC. I don't intend to play any AAA games at 4k or anything like that. I'm mostly going to be using it to emulate lots of older games and last gen titles with a couple hundred mods.
For example, the most demanding things I'll want to play are probably around the level of the FF13 trilogy or Fallout 3/NV

Any input would be greatly appreciated

>>60866212
LUL I play fallout NV on a hd4000 laptop at high settings, just get a used 560ti off Craiglist if that's all you want to play. Even modded NV should be fine on that card.

>>60863535
install windows 10 for free then activate /w KMSpico

>>60866209
If you had 15 570s, you'd be mining on them instead of selling them, lying poorfag.

>>60866212
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WZ7ctJ
If you aren't willing to look into amd alternatives then yes it's standard mid/low-range gaming pc will be decent for emulation.
Overkill PSU unless you're thinking on investing on a decent gold/platinum PSU for future builds 500-550W will be more than enough.

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>>60866232
>mining on them
Nah mining ain't what it used to be, i'd rather not mine to end up seeing 5% profit after a year or two power bills are also known to suck pretty bad where i live.
If you weren't such a rude boi i'd sell one to you for May's retail price.

what card do i get in the $200 if all the RX 480's and RX 480's are gone? wat do?

>>60866212
-I could have a better price/performance on the cpu if you wanna look into ryzen
-psu is at least 100W too much, you could shave some money there
-always go dual channel for memory (aka 2x4GB sticks)
otherwise looks good, that gpu is pretty good

>>60863715
>That's why I keep saying wait for Raven Ridge
>just wait lmao
Yeah nah go fuck yourself.

Will DDR5 be able to reach 7000-8000MHz?

>>60866281
this is my problem too - I have odererd all parts for a R7 1700 PC except the graphic card.

>>60866286
*you could

>>60866281
1060

>>60866233
Yeah, I thought the PSU was a little excessive but looking at the prices listed for a gold-rated unit, it isn't that much more expensive that something in the 550W range
>>60866286
Why dual channel? Surely that just eats up space if I want to upgrade later?

>Ordered an i7 7700k
>Went with a 212 cooler for the time, no plans to overclock

Did I fuck up?

>>60866253
kek lying poorfag

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>>60866424
keep telling yourself that

>>60866392
not like you'd overclock much without delidding
what will you even use the 7700k for?

Guys I need help, I'm confused.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF THE GTX 1080!?!?! It's the card right in my budget but everyone says it's overpowered for 1080p and yet the OP claims it won't even run 1440p at a consistent 90fps for current games. Seems to me like in a 18months this card will be useless for 1440p.

This is so frustrating because its right in my budget and yet I can see myself feeling like I have an underpowered machine in the near future.

Should I get a 580 and stick with 1080p gaming for the next year or two? Do the financials of that make sense? Or am I way off base?

What about the 1080ti? How long before it too is unable to play new release games at a stable 90fps?

>>60866507


Mostly just gaming. I just recently ordered the part, so it should still br good to cancel/refund. I may get a normal 7700 instead. I went with a 1060 gpu, Z270 motherboard. It seems to be excess.

>>60866554
Sorry thought I should clarify:
Should I get the 580 and then upgrade to a higher end card is approx 18months?

And how long till the 1080ti be underpowered for 1440p?

Thanks

>>60866571
if you don't have a 144hz screen the 7700k is a waste of money
the 7700 is a waste of money in general too, regardless of usage

>>60866554
>yet the OP claims it won't even run 1440p at a consistent 90fps for current games

1440p 60 FPS. Do you even own a 1440p144hz screen? One of those monitors cost as much as the 1080ti itself if not more.

>>60863805

Thank you.

The PS being overkill, GPU being outdated and all parts being old is the issue...

My current PC is shit so this is very tempting, but I feel like I should buy a brand new one with the latest specs instead (upwards about 850 euros).

Thanks for your input.

Should I try out a VA monitor? I've only ever owned a TN and IPS before and feel kinda curious to try them out. I'm looking at the C24FG73 which seems to be an overall spectacular display that has everything I could want (144hz, freesync, backlight strobing, etc). However... I've heard in the past that VA panels are kind of funny. Like they have some strange image quality issues related to color banding/depth, gamma issues, and slow pixel transitions for certain colors. Is this still true?

recommend me a mATX board for ryzen

>>60866760
Asrock, Msi Mortar

Is my build decent?

I'm a layman with computers

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/5678321/saved/RNp6hM

>>60866800
>7700k with 100hz
not worth it

>>60866805
it's a 3440 x 1440p monitor tho

>>60866348
I saw a Radeon RX 580 for < 300€, 10 pieces available in the shop. Before I could finish my order: no more stock.

I HATE THE MINERS.

>>60866617
Yes I would buy a 1440p 144hz monitor if I buy the 1080 or 1080ti. They are on the maket for about $800AUD. My point still stands that the 1080 does not seem future proof at all (for 1440p) and I'm still seeking /g/s opinion on how long the 1080ti will be a good card for 1440p gaming?

>>60866877
1080 was the best card on the market for awhile before ti was released. That was the same thing with 980 and 980ti.

>>60866800
35 inch is fucking insane for desk work unless your desk is 1m wide and you can sit at a distance. I own a 27 inch screen and I already think it is over kill.

>>60866812
resolution has nothing to do with CPU

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>>60866895
the screen is ultra wide so it's about the same as your 27 inch in terms of height, just wider

>>60866927
It is still fucking stupid.
Why would you need an ultra wide screen?

>>60866885
I realise that, but no one considered the 980 or 980ti for 1440p (to my knowledge, I'm certaily no expert). It seems to me that the jump in resolution is a bit of a game changer. Even the high end cards do not seem to be able to get remarkable fps at this resolution. Logically, I would want to get a card that can play cyrrent games at a great fps so that I can feel comfortable that I won't have to upgrade for a few years (3 approx).
However /g/ tells me that the 1080 is overkill for 1080p gaming, which seems true. But it seems to only just manage 1440p with current games, so it will probably be a shit card for 1440p in 3 years time.
I would say the same for the 1080ti, but I'm a layman. That's why I want to know /g/'s opinion on how future proof the 1080ti is for 1440p?
I'm also curious as to why someone would buy tge 1080 when /g/ says its overkill for 1080p, and it seems to me to not be a good investment for 1440p gaming?

>>60866966
There are old games you can play in 1440p@144. You can up sample.

>>60861292
>i3-6100U/i3-7100U
>8GB RAM
>1TB crucial SATA SSD

Why is the i3-6100U better than the i3-7100U on passmark? Does anyone know? Please help.

>>60867003
Up sample?
I havent had a gaming PC or console since 2013 so I definetaly have a back catalog to catch up on, thats a good point. I'm just worried that once I make the switch to 1440p then 1080p will be underwhelming. I don't want to spend all this money on a high end graphix card and 1440p monitor only to feel underwhelmed by its performance on new games in a years time. I'd rather stick to 1080p if thats going to be the case.
Thanks for your input but I'm still wondering how future proof the 1080ti is for 1440p? Or should I buy a 580 and keep my 1080p monitor and upgrade in 12 months?

>>60867021
passmark is shit, that's why

Motherboard: asus p5g41t-m lx
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600 2.4 GHz
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 960 G1 WindForce 2GB
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 2x4GB
r8/h8 my shitbox

>>60867044
Play 1080p on 1440p screen

>>60866941
Have you used one before?

>>60867067
Why don't you get a job?

>>60867072
Yes. I returned it and got a 27inch instead.

>>60867066
Thanks, I guess. What should I use for benchmarking performance? Mainly using the PC for heavy browsing and editing docs. Around 100 tabs open in firefox/opera/chrome.

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>>60867082
sure

>>60867083
There is no perfect benchmark that will be able to tell you how a CPU perform compared to another in any given situation. CPUs perform very differently under different workloads. All you can do is look at specific benchmarks on the softwares you use. But it's not like you can straight up say "X is stronger than Y" because that's entirely dependent on the workload.

>>60867071
Bro maybe you didn't read my post so I will reiterate. I don't want to go from playing current games and web browsing etc in 1440p to suddenly having to drop my resolution to play new games in a years time. That just sounds shit. I'd rather not buy a 1440p monitor and remain ignorant to what I'm missing out on.
So I am still wondering how future proof the 1080ti is for 1440p? I honestly have no idea I haven't played games in almost 4 years. Is the senario I'm descibing above (having to drop my resolution in a years time for new releases) true for the 1080ti?

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>>60867086
You think i can't afford a ultra wide?

Ahaahahahah all the 1070s are out of stock now too.

>>60867112
Why shouldn't I buy an ultrawide

I like watching films and playing games (non-competitive)

>>60867104
You can fall for the wait meme and wait for volta/vega. It is up to you. 1080ti can still go 1440p above 60 FPS. I feel that it can still do at least 1 year of 1440p60

>>60867079
College Internship man, i wish i could

>>60867124
You can buy it and find out for yourself. I was exhausted after 3 days of moving my head to read the entire screen and my desk isn't wide enough where I can sit at a distance where my entire FOV fits the screen but hey like I said if you desk is 1m wide, go ahead and buy it. It wasn't for me. I returned it after 3 days and got 27inch now. I still feel it is a little big in some games where I am unable edge pan anymore.

>>60867119
Out of stock because of the Jew miners?
Or because it sold out due to normal demand?

>>60867126
Okay thank you.
I fell for the wait meme last year with the 480. Honestly it was a good thing I did too cause I got distracted with work and now my budget has ballooned. Right now I'm leaning towards getting a 580 and upgrading in about 18months. Any thoughts on this?
I'll be getting an R7 (I have to do video and photo editing) so my GPU will be the bottle neck. I'll still be able to play new releases in 18months time at a comfortable 60fps 1080p right?
Thanks for your help.

>>60864714
Look up the studio faggot. It's not that hard.

>>60867151
>I'll still be able to play new releases in 18months time at a comfortable 60fps 1080p right?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-580-review,5020-3.html

Check it out yourself. You should be able to get 60fps 1080p but not at ultra setting.

>>60867138
My desk is 1.6 m wide

>>60867128
Brutal. Can I ask what field? It might be a better option to not distract yourself with gaming and focus all your energy to your job. If you can make yourself valuable you can ask for a paid position. I have a friend that did this in the financial field and was offered a $100k a year salary after a month as an intern. He quit more recently withon a year to do politics (the dumbfuck) but I respect him for escaping the 9 to 5.
I couldn't imagine settling for your build as a means to ease the pain of an unpaid intership. I'd be too busy trying to push my life to a better position to play vidya.

>>60867189
By wide i meant the width over the length. You need to be seated back far enough. >>60866927 is barely adequate. You will still have to keep moving your head.

>>60867213
depth?

It's 0.8 m

Is there a best company model of the 1080 or should I just buy the cheapest one I can find?
>tfw you wanted a 1080 ti but your psu is too weak

>>60867171
Thanks dude.
Can I ask your opinion on the 1070 vs the 580? Obviously the 1070 is better and I would get that except for the fact that I can see myself upgrading for 1440p in 18 months time. Basically I'm wondering how well the 580 will perform in a years time which is unknowable but I'm so uneducated on these issues I wouldnt mind your opinion?

I realised I kinda just rephrased my question from earlier. Sorry. I guess I got a bunch of research to do now but this convo has certainly helped thanks again.

>>60867227
My desk is 0.7m deep and i thought it was still too close. Anyway you can buy it and if you don't like it just return it and get something else.

>>60867239
Why do you want the 1080? It seems like overkill for 1080p but it also seems like its gonna suck dick at 1440p in 18 months time? Is your plan to upgrade around then and if so why not go for a cheaper card now?

>>60867243
Get the 1070 if you must have a GPU now and want to play on the highest setting for for awhile. You won't find the 580 in stock for the moment and for the foreseeable future due to miners. The 1060 is the Nvidia equivalent of the 580.

>>60867194
My internship is unpaid, but i'm doing my intern in the Ritz Four Seasons Hotel as an IT Manager, i love it here, but it's only for course completion purposes

>>60867067
That's not too bad. Why did you never upgrade the rest of it with the new GPU tho?

>>60867256
I've got a 1440p monitor and like two years left at uni, if I can play new games at 60 fps and mid settings in two years it'll be fine

and the 1070 is like, 80 bucks cheaper, I can spare that money

>>60867271
no money, my only source of income is my allowance, which is low, the GPU i bought when i earned money from another internship

>>60867274
Man I'm in the exact same boat as you and I just had a convo starting here >>60866554
that made me think the 1080 wasn't worth it. The convo ended here tho >>60867263
with a recomendation that I buy the 1070. But you're right the $70 difference is nothing. I guess I'm back where I started.

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>>60867143
Because of jew miners sry not sry.

I saw the 1070 Gigabyte ITX model in stock at Newegg and it would have let me buy DOZENS of them. But single fan models aren't good cooling for mining.
But now I see they were completely out of stock when they had hundreds.

>>60867264
Yeah I'm guessing thats not a highly competitve field where you can brute force your way to a higher salary like finance. Have you considered selling drugs to the guests?

>>60867251
Would a 32 inch 4k monitor be better?

>>60867314
So do you know what brand is best, or is asus, gigabyte, msi, etc irrelevant as long as you get the cheapest one?