>that one guy who went to college just to make video games

STEM student: So what are you learning in kindergarten?
Kid: Shapes and colors.
STEM student: Wow good luck getting a job wit that.

>>379180863
>tfw I started majoring in comp sci but quickly transcended to metaphysics

sick shitpost op u sure trolled me

actual computer science has almost nothing to do with IM GONNA WORK FOR VIDYA GAEMS, those people are in their containment "video game dev" courses

>>379180863
>comp sci
>game design degrees
Pick one

>too retarded for mathematics
>CS degree requires as least call 3 and linear algebra

???

>>379181321

Calc 3*

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>>379180863
>I bang rocks together
>I can count
>I build with blocks

>>379181321
>CS requires babby math
your point?

>>379181573

t. Never actually took either

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>take game design in uni to coast through easy mode
>still able to land actual software jobs because I'm not retarded
Feels good

>>379180863
Computer science actually requires a lot of mathematics. Most programmers arent computer scientists though, and as a real engineer its cringy to hear someone who doesnt even know newtons laws call themselves an engineer because they know how to write a for loop.

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>>379180863
I'm that guy.

>>379180863
My cousin is that guy :(

>>379180863
cs is a subset of mathematics

>humoristic AI
Is that possible?

>>379181748
Could you please point out the difference between a programmer and a computer scientist? They seem like the same thing to me.

One of my former best friends dropped out of college and decided he was going to 'make it big' by focusing on programming a shitty indie platformer and then making a kickstarter for it. He also lied to his mom that he was still going to college.

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>tfw marine bio major

Why are STEMfags so arrogant?

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>want to work for video games
>go to college for computer programming
>end up doing defense contracting
>know that ever working for video games would be a huge pay cut and workload increase
>tfw will probably never work for video games

>>379182052
Sociopathy/low empathy.

>>379182041
Did it work?

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>>379182045
ded Sachikong

STEM is just where the kids too autistic to make 7 figures in business and too virginal to have fun in libarts go in an attempt to make 6 figures and have a girl settle for him when he's 30 (as he'll be doing unpaid internships exclusively for the first few years even though he berates everyone else for that) - it's the beta male option.

>not going for the thinking man science
>psychology

>>379180863
I know an engineer, he is a literal cuck. All that intellect didn't save him from marrying a pregnant single soon-to-be mother.

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>>379182052

>>379182052
Because we're bitter that liberal arts students get laid in college
But at least I can get $57k starting off if that company will ever get back to me to set up an in-person interview

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>>379180863
>people who get into programming for "muh vidya gaems"
Please kill yourselves, you're a fucking disgrace.

>>379182136
Last I heard he was still just a basement-dwelling NEET who hadn't accomplished anything. He also gained a lot of weight.

>>379182064
I know that feel anon. I want to make vidya but my normie-ass job pays big bank, doesn't cater to an audience of mongoloids, is actually easy, and is generally relaxed.
For now I'm thinking I should just put vidya back as a hobby and use all my money to fuel my autism and live happy.

>tfw finance masterrace

I'm going to gamble with your retirement money and you can't stop me. In fact you'll pay me for it

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>Studying STEM so you can work for someone else instead of starting your own company

>>379180863
Yeah enjoy your "real degree" while i charge $250/hr for consulting fees.

Thanks CS degree!

>>379182380
What's your job?

The only good types of engineering are:
>Nuclear*
>Computer
>Mechanical

*only if you get into NUPOC, otherwise it's garbage

>>379182408
>he doesn't know his job will be automated within the next 2 decades

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>>379182179
Don't hack the French election, Sachiko

>>379182584
Chemistry is also good and is the one true science.

When people think of science they imagine a guy in the lab mixing and heating solutions.

>>379180863
>Getting cucked by college
IT certs and gov jobs for non-morons is so easy to come by

i want to commit a suicide

>bragging about your place in the rat race

>>379182627
Assuming you're good at finance, that's more than enough to retire comfortably.

So what's a good field to invest that can land a decent job?
Preferably one that doesn't get taken by too many people

>>379182742
Chemist are literal autist.

>>379180863

>People who want to do what they enjoy in life
>Instead of doing whatever it takes to get them ahead in the rat race.

What a fucking retard, why would anyone ever pick doing something they enjoy doing over making money?

>>379182870
There are none. That's the problem.

>>379182870
The problem with that question is that anyone who answers you is only familiar with one field.

>>379182870
The engineering disciplines that have a future
>Biomechanical/medical
>Robotics
>Renewable energy (petroleum is dead, nuclear is only relevant to the government and post-soviet shitholes)
>Corrosion (high in demand but nobody does it)

>>379182037
not that guy but if i remember correctly the programmer only code software and shit when the CS work on OS, kernels, theoretical stuff, ect

>>379182584
>>379182742
>>379182932
Only mad biochemists are true scientists.

Did /v/ finally ban the use of the name of that one other site that begins with R? Because I tried to make a post telling people in this thread to go back there, and the system wouldn't let me.

>>379183079
I have a feeling petroleum engineering will move over to fracking.

>>379181045
You can makor in metaphysics?

>>379183205
yeah boi
I've had like 5 different logic classes and a ton of history

>>379182037
A programmer is someone employed or engaged in creating computer programs. A computer scientist is someone who specializes in the specific mathematic fields most applicable to computers, like discrete math and algorithms. Most computer scientists are also programmers but most programmers definitely arent computer scientists.

>>379183165
return to reddit

>>379183165
reddit
>autosubmit not working

>>379183079
Quantum physics are the future according to quantum physicists.

>>379182579
Right now I'm contracting for a traffic software company. It's a really relaxed industry since everyone is too cheap to upgrade their tech from 70s crap. No pressure to keep pushing the envelope here, just make sure stuff works and all that.

>>379180863
>He didn't study Computer Engineering

lmaoing at you OP

>>379183165
Reddit test
You better not be (you) farming

Biology is the gender studies of STEM

>>379183079

There's an entire field based around studying corrosion? I had no idea it was a big enough problem to warrant that.

>>379181321
linear algebra is pretty babby tier compared to calc though

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>>379180863
tfw i did this and I'm now a software engineer

Good job mods, this is definitely video games.

>>379183428
There's a reason why America's infrastructure is rated D+
https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/

>>379180863
What do you even do with a Computer Science Bachelor/Major/PhD? My friend told me he'd get a master, but not sure what use he could use for it.

>>379183479
post saged

>>379183449
And CS requires both. It makes no difference either way.

>>379183516
I feel like CS is more reliant on experience than any kind of learning
My friend worked a summer at Amazon and hasn't gone back to school because, from his perspective, it's just stuff that he's not going to need

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>tfw ppl keep telling me to go into CS

I might have grown up with computers and vidya gaems, but over the past 3-5 years, I have grown to fucking hate computers and vidya gaems and everyone who likes those things

mostly because I played around making levels for games and trying to get into webdev and learn a little of an actual language, but just hated it the whole time and hated everyone in the communities for those things

im a dropout and joined the reserve force for a quick buck but it's turned out to be a cushy and surprisingly well-paying gig, so I have no intention to go back to school, really. what few dreams I have left are largely things you don't have to go get a degree in to do anyway

>>379183516
>phd
i imagine at that level you'd start to work on low level stuff like graphics APIs and the like

any lower and you'll prolly be a code monkey

>>379180863

This is a butthurt Liberal Art Degree kind of post.

CS requires a lot of math and conceptualization that you don't really see in some other stem fields. In mechanical engineering, for example; you work mostly with practical real life physical problems. CS is more abstract in it's problem solving. There usually isn't one clear cut simple solution to everything.

One of the mantras they hammer into you in CS when you are starting is Object Oriented Programming. Every piece of code you write that isn't in low level programming language has to be written in away that it can interact with one another. You are writing methods and classes that will connect to one another and expand upon each other in a way that you can cater to your clients constant demands. You basically have to write code in a way that it can always be updated and all the pieces work/fit together without any errors or legacy bugs. It's a lot of social engineering alongside math.

That said, I wouldn't say CS major is more math intensive than an Aeronautical degree or Physics major, but to say it isn't a math is idiotic.

>>379183428
It's an ever present problem that most people don't think about when building things, whether it's essential infrastructure or some guy's really expensive artisan house. It's only going to be more in demand as water encroaches on things that were never designed with water erosion in mind.

>>379183591
Yeah true.
My math prof sounded so disappointed when we got to linear algebra that it made me chuckle

>>379183479
autism

>>379183670
coding is fun

>>379180863
Computer Science is usually business-application classes, and plenty of trig/calc classes are involved.

Digital Design and vidya have pretty much been separated out like Engineering at this point. "Real Science" like bio, geo and physics were always something entirely different.

>not being a NEET
lmao

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>>379182045

>be programmer
>i make game
>get replaced by Indian

I'm majoring in CS but not to make games lmao

>>379182870
Depends what you mean by decent job. Honestly, any degree that requires math and that can get you a PAID internship with an employer while youre still in school is the way to go. Thats pretty much any engineering, accounting, or science degree, except maybe bio.

i'm a computer engineer employed as a software engineer for about 10 years now and in general the comp eng people are way better at actually figuring shit out and getting things done
the CS people just argue about minutiae that doesn't matter and never actually deliver anything. if they do actually manage to get something working it is always an over complicated nightmare

>>379183853
>being a parasite with suicidal tendencies.
LOL.

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>>379183823
Do you crossdress to improve your speed?

>>379183516
Consulting for Database Systems, SAP, Oracle and the like.

>>379180863
>thinking any of these compare to economics

Enjoy ur no moneygainz

>>379184069
Economics is as real a science as gender studies.

>>379184036
>people from MY discipline are much better than people from YOUR discipline

Is majoring in programming really a meme?

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>tfw your too stupid for even the stupid science
What can a dumb ass dropout do to fix their life?

>>379184036

Are they perhaps Indian CS people? Because, I majored in CS and for whatever reason Indians loved putting recursion into everything and it fucked up several of my projects whenever I got stuck with one. They tend to write code very fast (a lot of copy paste) without commenting on each method/class. So it's a nightmare to go through when something actually goes wrong.

>>379183421
Some biology majors just use it to get into medical school

>>379184190
Trade school
I'm a civil engineer and we need good tradesmen

>>379184148
Honestly that's what 99% of discussion the internet has degraded to over the past few years. "Me good, you bad."

>>379184036
Can you tell me a bit about the Computer Engineering field? I'm majoring in it too

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Took course specifically how to make vidya
Have good job because I know lots of shit

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Geography is the prime major desu

You know, memes aside, OP's not wrong. CS is a over-saturated market in pretty much every corner of the world.

A CS is fast-approaching sociology levels of value.

My best friend since middle school completed his degree last Christmas and has been working at Burger King ever since.

>tfw EE and taking as many CS courses I can
JUST

>>379184341
>CS is a over-saturated market in pretty much every corner of the world

wrong

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>>379183681
>One of the mantras they hammer into you in CS when you are starting is Object Oriented Programming. Every piece of code you write that isn't in low level programming language has to be written in away that it can interact with one another. You are writing methods and classes that will connect to one another and expand upon each other in a way that you can cater to your clients constant demands. You basically have to write code in a way that it can always be updated and all the pieces work/fit together without any errors or legacy bugs. It's a lot of social engineering alongside math.
The funny thing is, I'm majoring in CS and even though my OOP teacher tried to hammer this into people's heads, most couldn't apply the knowledge of it just a week later. Only one of my friends there and me still stick to those practices.

But yeah, this is one of the things I've always felt I had a knack for myself. I love the idea of making code that can easily be understood by others, can be easily refactored, and can be easily expanded. I love using different data structures and different data types to reduce memory footprint or CPU footprint. And I hated it when I had a few programming classes in my major in which we were just taught to copy-paste code and I had to go home and try to understand shit by myself so I could make use of optimization practices on it and not just think the code is doing magic.

>>379184190
Seize the means of production.

>>379180863
>tfw microbio&meds major

are we making it brehs

>>379184341

I don't know how it is abroad but in the states it is a major that wont get you anywere with american companies unless you have connections. At best, you can work low level IT in some non-tech company. All the good positions go to indians/chinese because they pay them peanuts.

>>379182052
narcissism

Computer scientists are developing AI that will be able to design engineering marvels that STEMfags could never even dream

checkmate

>>379183823
i disagree but its just my taste, i wont stop you

i just really hate places like stackoverflow and facepunch and /g/ and /agdg/

theyre shit and are full of garbage people who i would gladly murder

>>379184341
Did he get his degree from community college? There is definitely a bubble growing of so called CS degrees from non research schools which are just glorified programming classes, which is not what an actual CS degree is at all.

>>379184190
be something like a plumber. Not even joking, your pay is pretty alright and you can be dumb as a rock

>>379184190
Go to a trade school for something in demand and you'll be better off than every college kid with a useless non-stem degree.

>>379182045
fuck off jotaro

>>379184439

Right. Everyone with a brain is outsourcing to India or other Asian counties, and the few that stay local have literally thousands of applicants to pick from, and a lot of those will be semi-ivy-league people who already have daddy's connections.

>>379184493

This guy knows how it is.

>>379184572

Nah he got it from a university. It wasn't MIT-tier but it was a university.

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>PhD in maths
>any job I want
>300k starting

>>379184457
>I had a few programming classes in my major in which we were just taught to copy-paste code

Holy shit, don't do that and I would talk to the department head if teachers are actually encouraging this. I did my CS degree back in 07-10. I went to a decent tech school, one of the biggest NO-NOs they taught us is copy-pasting code. It's one of the easiest ways to create legacy bugs. It is an awful practice. Code should always be typed out line by line. I don't know how many times I wrote a program with 4-5k lines of code and was freaking out when it didn't compile. After going through everything the error turned out to be something simple like a space before a semicolon or just forgetting the semicolon.

>>379184148
>concrete example based on real life experience
>still butthurt
>>379184284
it's kindof hard to find a job these days that actually uses the skills you learn in this major. i got lucky and work on virtualized high speed network drivers so get to do pretty low level stuff close to the cpu

>>379184775
let me know when you actually get that job because you won't

>>379184190
Aircraft mechanic. So long as you arent afraid of getting your hands dirty, speak and read english fluently, and you can abstain from detectable drugs you can get a cert and be set for life. I know mechanics without degrees who make more than engineers in aviation. Just be sure not to fuck up or you might get people killed and land in jail.

>>379184139
>thinking any real economist compares it to hard sciences

Economics is a study of the interactions between society and our financial institutions. Models are flawed because nobody can tell what people will do. However, we can determine how systems will be affected by changes to individual input and use that knowledge to drive policy decisions (or determine good investments, if you work for a business).

Nobody who actually works with an economist thinks we are anything more than highly specialized policy and data experts. In a lot of fields, that specialization is very useful.

>didn't go to school
>wageslaved while learning to make games
>released something easy and cheap
>made decent enough money to quit my job while I make what I really want to make

I did it

>>379184802
I'm on the eve of switching over to a different university, one I've seen has a much better CS program, precisely because of this. I did talk to the head of the CS department multiple times about the issue and he did little to correct the problem. That's when I decided to say "fuck it" and I'm now waiting for my application to be approved at the university I want to change to.

>tfw I just turned 20 and I still haven't started college yet
It's too late for me, isn't it?

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>>379182045
>find marine biology interesting
>flirted with it in high school
>can't swim and hate water though

>>379184775

Enjoy teaching High School Geometry for the rest of your life.

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>>379185013
FIFA is FUN

>>379184341
Here's the thing, it's not. What's saturated are CS degrees, but not the market. Considering the degree can mean theoretical or application it's not too surprising. Dig a bit deeper and you'll notice people who think they know how to program don't actually understand why some things work. Which is totally fine if what you're making doesn't require performance or anything. Then at the end of it all is HR has to look at retards who seem reasonable, people who made some mistakes, someone who made none, and referrals. Who they continue to move the interview process with? That's why it's hard difficult, not because the market is saturated.

>>379185131
No.

>>379185131
Dunno, friend of mine is 27 and is thinking about going to college. But we live in Germany so he would never to pay vast sums of money for it.

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>>379184802
>Code should always be typed out line by line
no

one of the things you'll do when you'll have a job, is create a set of generic methods/tools and then copy-paste them all over your software in order to gain time

>>379185130

Best of luck to you anon. It is good to see someone that has genuine love for the field and isn't just another code monkey.

>>379185131
>20
>Too late for anything in the world
Stop. Just stop thinking this. You are much better off already than people who started college at 18 because, statistically, you are much less likely to make the wrong decision for your major at that age than if you had started two years ago.

>>379185136

Why go to school/work when you can just show your body to horny NEETs for a living?

>>379185131
Nope, you probably have better chances at succeeding than people who go to college straight out of school

>these tards talking about their wage slave jobs
lol @ ur life
Get into the cryptomarket and never work another day.

>>379183479

these motherfuckers are fucking sellouts, just look how many replies this shit has, and make a post talking about SJW/LGTcaner/Femunism or something similar, it get deleted fast

WE NOTICE FUCKING MODS

FUCK YOU

>>379180863
coding can literally create life. We are all just a bunch of codes we haven't fully understood yet.

>>379185242
>one of the things you'll do when you'll have a job, is create a set of generic methods/tools


Having templates is completely different from just copy/pasting most of your code from random shit on the web. This is something I see all the time from new wave programmers.

>>379185483
>bachelor of arts
he

>>379185429
There's absolutely no harm in this thread existing. Fuck off and be autistic somewhere else.

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>>379185429
>interesting discussion allowed but autistic screeching gets deleted
really make u think

>>379183205
Yeah except most people call it philosophy.

>>379185521
oh, right. my bad.

Still, stackoverflow + copypasting are how most people will resolve problems

>>379180863
>Tfw your comp sci classes are 100x harder than you comp engineering classes

>>379185163
you dont need to be in the water to do biology

its not like that one episode of sienfeld

>>379182037
you can become a programmer right now if you learn a language online

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>he hasn't realised that living for your world-weary self is a meaningless existence and that you should instead funnel your energy into helping others
You're no Rieux, that's for sure

>>379180863
Idk man I have a BS in Comp Sci and make 6-figures.

Can't really ask for much more.

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>>379185717
>discrete math is harder than circuits and fourier transforms

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>>379180863
>tfw went to trade school
>tfw got automotive certificates
>tfw most shops want 5 years plus with tools

>>379185717
What do you do in comp. engineering?
I had some courses called ''Technische Informatik'' where all we did was either talk about logic gates, how a transistor works and the physics behind it.

>getting a degree purely based on what job it will get you

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>>379185741
>tfw comp sci major
>find programming boring as fuck and never actually made my own program, but just want the credibility and job access a CS major has

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>get into CD because muh Vidya
>End up with a 60k/year webdev job right out of Uni

Can't complain.

>>379180863
>that guy is probably making video games now

>while you're on /v/, not playing video games, and talking about everything but video games

>>379185741
meant for >>379185717

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>not having an interest in both sides of the coin

>>379185930
Why else would you ever get a degree? That's fucking stupid unless it's a doctorate.

Seriously, you're being scammed if you're going to college for anything that will not give you a job the day you graduate.

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>tfw Computer Networking degree at community college

>>379185930
>having no discipline

>>379186070
LOL

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> tfw I just want to be paid for writing wikipedia shit

>>379185930
>getting a useless degree for le pure pursuit of knowledge!

>>379185864
Aren't Fourier transforms also studied in CS?

>>379180863
Computer science is different than programming...
You guys know that right?

>>379186070
>>379186120
Whats wrong with that? isnt that good enoguh for basic IT?

>>379186060
>Why else would you ever get a degree?
Because you enjoy things?

>>379186174
maybe how to call an fft function at best, not the actual math behind it

Instead i dropped out from economics and i started making beer
It's pretty good

>>379180863
>medical school student
>any specialization i want
>300k starting

feels good man

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>>379180863
>Computer Science is the second most sought after degree by employers, second only to Accounting.
>tfw too smart to want to be smart instead of having a job
Accountant btw :^)

>>379182830
Why stop at one? Reach for the top, bucko.

Engineering is for people who are too stupid to start a business at 16.

>>379186247
like being unemployed and in debt?

>>379186301
>300k starting
300k what? Dollars? No fresh doctor would get 300k, it's ambitious even for a finished specialist.

>>379186247
You don't need a degree to enjoy things and learn about them.

Every book you'll ever read in university you can download for free online. You have an infinite resource in the internet.

It doesn't put you 40k in debt either

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>went into computer science thinking its just programming
>it's all theory heavy, memorization of algorithms, other nonsense
>Djikstra is mentioned 20 times in every course, see no merit to his work

>>379186156
>paying to do something you hate for 3+ years

>>379182052
Holier than thou attitude.
Knew a kid in college that almost got into a fist fight over a business major getting a start for 300k

>>379186439
>>Djikstra is mentioned 20 times in every course, see no merit to his work
u wot m8

>>379186439
cs theory is the most useless circle jerk shit of any field

>>379180863
as much as you want this to be a bait post, you're right. My math major classes are a lot harder than my comp sci major classes

>>379186397
http://www.medscape.com/slideshow/compensation-2017-overview-6008547#4

>>379180863

In general of you want a job in a field, you should always study a field 1 level higher than that.

Wanna have a job in literature, study psychology
Wanna have a job in psychology, study biology
Wanna have a job in biology, study chemistry
Wanna have a job in chemistry, study physics
Wanna have a job in physics, study mathematics

I started in Electrical/Computer Engineering, switched to Comp Sci. Can confirm. Comp sic is easy as shit.

>>379186482
Honestly income inequality is one thing that's worth getting into fist fights over.

>>379186301
As an intern, I can tell you right now, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Most of us are lucky to get 70-80k starting. The real money comes after 5-10 years when you can easily bring in 200k + while only working like 20 hours a week

>>379180863
It's so sad to see people who can't even solve a 2nd order differential so they have to go around parading themselves as a "software engineer" or an "audio engineer"

>>379186414
Problem is most companies will discard your resumé if you don't have "Major" written in it, even in Computer Science/ IT in general

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>got CS degree because I wanted to work for video games
>don't even know how to program that well after graduation
>still got job immediately out of college working IT for a non-game company
>job is incredibly easy and pays me a shitload
>but no time to make games
>no time to really play that many games
>and I can feel my creative spark dwindling away every day as I settle into an easy routine

Am I success?
Writing it out makes it seem like I should be proud, but I feel emptier and emptier.

>>379186547
Redirects me to the login screen, anon.

>>379182037
Computer Science is a broad field involving math, physics and chemistry, it also involves things not directly related to computers.
Programming is the act of writing software.

The difference is that one is a field of expertise, while the other is a skill.

>>379186070
>>379186120
Nothing wrong with community college for 2-year degree. I've found my community college had even better teaching potential because o fthe vastly smaller classes and more mature students.

University is just the meme with the prettiest certificate and for "networking" and "recreational clubs"

>>379186625
What the fuck does audio have to do with any of this?

>>379186620

you're an intern, no shit you don't make anything. finish residency first fag

Why are STEMfags always compensating for their small dicks?

>getting a degree in Network Infrastructure and Systems Security back in the mid 2000's
>degree is basically rendered obsolete by H1B visa.
>Trump cuts H1B visa in half, and ups requirements for issuance.

Holy fuck I never thought I'd be a trump supporter.

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>in my last year of highschool I was told computational chemistry is an infant field and is going to explode soon
>decide to double major chemistry and computer science with concentration in comp.chem
>graduate in 4 weeks

how fucked am I? all computational chemistry jobs are research positions/no practical work

>>379186547
>http://www.medscape.com/slideshow/compensation-2017-overview-6008547#4
>Go to front page
> First article " If This Were a Drug, the Price Would Be $100,000"

what the fuck kind of click bait shit is this? Is this buzzfeed for med students

Going to college in one year
Computer science
Or
Computer engineering

I want to make vidya(and I'm arealdy learning programming)

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>>379186583
>if you want to have a job in literature, study psychology
>if you want to have a job in psychology, study biology
Fucking what
Should have said Philosophy for literature, at least that's semi related.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT KOJIMA AND MIYAZAKI

>>379186781
computer engineering has nothing to do with making actual vidya

>>379186746
Because Asians overpopulate the market

>>379186627
Oh I'm talking exclusively about liberal arts majors.

Everyone should to to college if they can afford it and they should choose some kind of STEM major.

If not, there's always trade schools which is also a great option for those who can't afford college.

>>379186153
Join the wiki foundation thing. I'm pretty sure they are making a good living themselves and going around the world to cool places for "conferences" and what not from the donations they "need"

>>379184069
>Economist
>Money
Everyone in college told me the smart economists go into Finance or Accounting, only the rare economist makes a lot of money.

>>379186774
people don't do practical work.
you're supposed to the farm the government for grants.
don't attempt to do any science.

>>379186741
>>379186620
and that's assuming you didn't go into some meme medical profession like optometry or podiatry

>>379186837
except for the whole writing game engines and getting them running non hardware platforms thing

>>379186713
Brainlets have to give themselves fake engineering titles

>>379186781
CE is probably the shittiest of all engineering degrees.

>>379186625
>solving equations
What is wolfram alpha? Also computer scientists are creating machine learning models right now that can solve a shit ton more math equations than you, not to even mention proving new theorems.

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>tfw basically retarded and struggle with any kind of math beyond basic algebra.

>>379186774
You have a major in computer science so you're fine.

Just apply to all the big name companies.

>>379186798
a job in literature requires literary analysis. Here philosophy is meaningless

to complete the list:
Wanna have a job in mathematics, study logic
Wanna have a job in logic, study philosophy
Wanna have a job in philosophy, study literature

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>>379180863
>take 4 classes a semester
>just now realizing it's going to take me over 3 years to get my 2 year degree

At least I have the low income Pell grant to basically make college free for me
>it's actually more of a detriment to my tuition awards if I work while in college
logic.

>>379187061
Math is a meme anyway.

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>>379186741
Our top endo is barely scratching 275 after being in the industry for 14+ years in one of the best hospitals in the country and his own practice, and you're fresh out with a 300k package? Yea keep talkin out ur ass, I doubt you're even a fucking med student

>>379186975
Still better than CS.

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>>379186969
Oh, it's THAT shit again.

>>379187080
>Just apply to all the big name companies.
Is consulting not big in the US?
Almost all jobs here in Germany for CompSci students are consulting and the companies are so desperate for people they will call you in an hour after sending in your cv (happened to me).

>>379187125
t. brainlet

>>379187175
It really is not at all.

Like not even remotely close to a CS degree in difficulty or potential success.

>>379186957
>Counting optometry and podiatry as medical profession

Please stop, it fucking hurts.

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>>379187061
>tfw find math comes to me easily but
>get lazy with studying and always cram at the last minute because it all seems easy
>end up doing mediocre anyway because miss assignments and mix up memorization bullshit

What should I put on my resume if I have a CS degree?

>>379187309
Rare pepes.

>>379187309
Did you get it as a BS or a BSE?

>>379182052
When you're better then everyone else, you gotta peacock.

>>379187309
"Retard"

>>379187352
BS

>>379186968

>writing game engines

that isn't computer engineering.

CE is literally designing circuits/computer parts and low level assembly programming. It's the construction worker tier of Computer fields.

>>379187157
really bro? you chose the most nigger-tier specialty to make your point. You might as well have said FM

>>379186703
What do you do for a living?

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>Did a Bachelor of Arts
>Still can't find a job over a year after graduation

Well might as well kill myself.

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I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME FUCKING VIDYA(OR JUST CODE SOME WEBDEV SHIT),IT CAN EVEN BE FOR SOME SHITTY COMPANY LIKE SONY OR UBISOFT.
COMPUTER SCIENCE
YES
OR
NO?

>>379187283
>or potential success
This is how you spot someone who hasn't graduated and joined the job market. A degree in CE instead of CS certainly won't be the reason why you're not going to get that code-monkey job when you graduate.

>>379187283
What in the fuck are you talking about. At my university they're practically the same degree except CE requires a few electrical engineering courses and has less room for CS electives. People in both programs generally get the same job offers.

>>379187360
>>>Reddit

>>379187413
University X -- College of Y
Bachelor of Science in Computer Science
Graduating Date
GPA / Z.00

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>tfw too dumb to code
On an unrelated note, has anyone used Kahn academy?
I feel like if I bang my head against computer science for a while I may start to learn it

>>379185552

yeah because this has to do a lot with videogames retard

>>379185623

>i only say autistic screeching on things that doesn't suit to me

typical leftie hypocrite

>all these retards wanting to make videogames

The videogame industry is a shithole. Unless you strike gold and become the new Notch you'll be slaved by your development studio, wether it's a big one or your own indie company. The only people that live confortably are mobile game devs, and like Facebook games that's a bubble that will burst in a few years.

I know you guys are retarded but you should know better just by browsing /v/

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>>379186649
sorry my man. here's a pic from the article

>>379185131
it's never too late bro
I wasted 4 years of my life after turning 18
>2 in a shit degree I regret every day of my life
>1 doing literally nothing, complete depression, drugs etc
>1 working and getting back together

I then got into a STEM degree at 22 and made the best choice. Start now, but actually get decent grades and choose a decent degree.

>>379185623
>people virtue signaling about how great their degrees and jobs are
>interesting discussion

>>379187548
Okay, it is never wrong to get a degree in something, but if you just want to make games, a pure degree is not good enough.
Code in your spare time, hell code a bullet hell shooter and make all your code public via github and the like.
Show the world you can actually code and then send in your cv with a link to it. They will check it out and if you got it in you, they will hire you.
If you just go there for the degree, well, no luck.

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>be an engineer
>make the same money with a bachelors as CS masters

Feels good man.

>>379187685
looks like foot fags are well paid

>>379180863
So what are the cool kid STEM majors?

>>379187548
Yes if you actually care about the intricacies of programming and computers, and want that knowledge to make it easier for you to do whatever you want to do related to those areas. No, if you don't, because you may as well learn C++/HTML and CSS off the internet and do a sufficient job.

>>379187637
>>tfw too dumb to code
Literally impossible. If you've managed to learn the rules of English grammar, you're capable of learning a programming language.

>>379187661
>The only people that live confortably are mobile game devs
>Facebook games
I wish I could be this deluded.

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>>379187061
>tfw even basic algebra is difficult for me

Send help. There is nothing in this world for me, but I don't want to kill myself.

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>>379187661

Most of the people here don't actually care about making vidya. We are just discussing the pros and cons about coding jobs in general. Also, vidya industry is the biggest pit of nepotism out there. Most of the people making money in vidya have shitty liberal art degrees and know next to nothing about coding nor vidya.

>tfw getting 2 year accounting diploma to see if im too retarded to get a bachelors before I waste the time and money

hehe

>>379187759
ME, EE, CE, Mathematics

>>379187740
>be dumb code monkey get better paid than actual engineer

and that's why i dont want to leave my job even if i could progress more with another one

>tfw like video games but have no interest in making them at all
>>379187283
Fuck off, you clearly know nothing.

>>379187561
I was hired into my job with ~40 other people.

2 of them were CE. The other 38 were CS.

>>379187560
I accepted my job offer before I even graduated. I make 6-figures.

>>379187775
That's not what the Republicans told me. They told me that I'm subhuman scum who can't do anything right and deserve to die in poverty.

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>>379187685

>Orthopedics
>Getting payed nearly half a million dollars for fixing fat bitch's bunions.

Fuck, I got into the wrong field.

>>379186781
give up now.

>>379187091
I like your way of thinking, but

>a job in philosophy

That's pretty funny.

>>379187795
>I can't read a map to save my life
>Girl
Why is this always a thing with girls? What about maps make their brains short circuit so hard?

I work as a database tech consultant and I didn't even go to college

60k a year isn't too bad when you don't have any student debt to worry about

>>379187992
US or European Country?

>>379187794
Fucking same. I just want to give up my life here and move to be an esl teaching slave somewhere. But that probably requires a degree too.

>>379181716
not him but why do people think calc 3 or linear algebra are hard?

>>379187775
Don't overestimate me anon
I took 4 years of computer science in high school and the only thing I took away was how to brute force basic programs and how to make system.println's

>>379188071

US

Note than I did have to do a lot of self learning and was tested during my interview

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>be low income
>go in as full time student
>basically get paid to go to college
I got $3k from my award refunds last semester with just 1 grant,. Most retarded part is that they put it the refund a debt card for you to spend it on whatever the fuck you want.

How do people go into debt when there's financial aid like this?

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>>379187685
American salaries are fucking crazy. Like twice as high as swedish doctors' salaries.

Why is orthopedics so high? I'd have thought it was one of the less prestigious and thus lesser paid specialisations.

>>379185429
>make a post talking about SJW/LGTcaner/Femunism or something similar, it get deleted fast

dafuq? Those threads reach triple digit posts easily. Also: >that one guy who went to college just to make VIDEO GAMES

>>379187795
I know it's not the topic of the thread, and most people here are sane. I'm just showing my concern about a handful of individuals interested in making games

>>379187793
Can you elaborate? I know a few people on mobile gaming studios and they all have a reasonably good lifestyle and basically zero crunch times

>>379181321
In my school they let you take a concetration of information systems. This lets you skip a ton of math but make you take more CS classes. In IS you only do up to stats and discrete math, and take a short course for calc.

>>379187496
>can't make a point
>shifting goalpost

Whatever you say pal, even as it's one of the highest paying specialisations after psych, neuro and onco

>>379188123
Everyone gets tested because there are too many idiots with degrees.

>>379187992
how do you become a database tech ?
they're well in demand but i cant do advanced shit

Math major here. Memes aside, what's wrong with computer science if someone has an interest in programming?

>>379188154
>put it the refund a
put the refund on a debt card*

>>379188094
Calc 3 is when you start getting into differential equations which is the hardest thing you'll see in undergraduate courses.

Linear Algebra / Discrete Math is not hard at all. You learn the bullshit rules that goes into writing a proof and you're good.

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>tfw I want to study history

better to study what you actually care about, even if you don't make money, I guess?

>>379188204
If you just have an interest in programming, you really don't need to get into CS. You're going to learn so much useless shit.

>>379181321
Cs calc three is like child tier math compared to eng m8.

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>>379185131

I'm 28 and dropped out of college twice and work a crappy job for 15/hour.

Seeing all these normies brag about their jobs and degrees is depressing. Why can't you normies just go to reddit and post your bragposts for upvotes.

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>>379188154
>tfw got back 1.4k
>pirated the books and built a PC

>>379188094

It really depends on the teacher. I found Calc 3 to be a fucking joke, easy as shit. My professor was very good at explaining problems and was always available for help. He didn't rely on his GSA's to do everything. Friend of mine was taking the same major as me in a different school and had to drop out of Calc 3 because it was too much for him. His teacher would just lecture for hours about theory and never put it into practice.

>>379188204
prestige

>>379188249
You could always study history as a hobby though if you know it won't make you money.

>>379188249
If you're not wasting your own money/taking a loan, sure.

If you are, don't. You can learn history all by yourself. Major in something that you can use to make money. Your job is not your life.

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>>379188094
Here's an easy way to reach that conclusion through logical deduction
>Normalfags represent a significant majority of the population
>Normalfags can't into concepts like Calculus and Linear Algebra to save their lives
>It follows that a significant majority of the population can't grasp the concept of college-level math

Seriously. I'm on a CS major, and while I didn't have trouble with Calc, so many of my classmates could not understand something as simple as vector addition for Vector Calculus, or couldn't tell me what the fuck a differential represents more than "the slope of a curve LOL"

>>379187685
my gf is a podiatrist and she gets paid like $800 aud a fortnight.

>>379188294
yeah and what else should i take if i like programming?

>want to be a cosmetic plastic surgeon so I can prey on people's insecurities
What's wrong with me

>>379188329
There's nothing wrong with that. No one here is bragging, they're defending themselves against criticism.

There's always trade schools for you if you're interested in making more somewhere else.

>>379188473
Your ancestry consisted of Jews at one point.

>>379188154
Most people squander educational opportunities.

It also depends on the school. I transferred from a place where I was paying out of pocket to one where I was fully covered when I was in school.

>EE degree with 3.7 GPA
>numerous side projects
>1 year after graduation, still no job
STEM is a fucking meme. Protip to all the unsuspecting kiddies who are still in school: start sucking cock NOW. Go to every fucking networking event and become """friends""" with every shithead you see. Nobody will care about your degree.

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>>379180863
Say that to my 52k€/year.

>>379188470
If I were you I would just take a class in something like "Introduction to Computer Science", "Programming 1", etc.

That should give you what you need to see if you want to learn more.

>didn't get the gamedev job because I'm a guy
T-thanks CS

>>379187898
Even if you're telling the truth, making a blanket statement off your one personal experience is absolutely retarded.

>>379185131
I've been going to community college for the last 2 years taking random classes to see what I like.
I'm surprised most people don't do this.

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>mfw studyng nursing

i can feel the envy of all of you already

>>379188579
Let me guess:
SAP consulting.

>>379187934
You'd be hard pressed to find an orthopod who actually does bunions. They like big bones and big joints

>>379188294
What exactly is a computer science degree then?

As someone with zero interest in it, I just assumed it was programming and such.

>>379180863
this
>Ph.D. in Math
>any job I want
>$300k starting

>>379187775
>Literally impossible
You have no idea how stupid I am. I learned English as a baby listening to my parents speak to me. I'm sure if they tried to teach me to code at the same time I'd have some affinity for it too. Now however my brain is so dried out and shriveled I can barely remember phone numbers and street addresses.

>>379182584
>Mechanical
C'mon m8 that's the I do thermo for a living hurrr degree. Electrical is a far better pleb filter

>>379188498

>wanting to work hard in trades
>ever

Life is for living, anon.

>>379188520
Don't know but maybe I could get some good Jew money from rhinoplastys

>>379188623
>tfw studying for LPN
Nursing is harder than computers.

>>379188623
>long hours
>tedious and disgusting work
>filling in all the time because understaffed
>dealing with shitty and sick people all the time
sounds fun

>>379188682
It's about 40% math 30% programming and 30% analysis/theory

>>379188623
>Having to deal with bodily wastes from your patients and none of the prestige of the doctors
There are few professions which are more memetic than that one.

>>379188185
>>379187685
3rd lowest in 2017 pal

you're even getting BTFO by IM holy shit I'm dyin.

>>379188498

i can't stand school, I can't stand being surrounded by normies. I have extreme anxiety and even though I'm really smart and found school extremely easy, i dropped out because I just hated being there.

>>379180863
>that one guy that went to college at all

>>379188623
Good for you anon, it's a important profession that often gets overlooked.

>>379188623
>tfw nurse in France
>70K a year
>get as much pussies as firemen
feels good

>>379188619
This, I'm literally 3k in debt and I'll have it paid off this month. I'm at my second (last) year of "real" college and I'm surrounded by people who are in debt up to their eyeballs.

>>379188812
And 100% dicks.

>>379188320
That must be terrible then, took that physics and math majors calc 3 and that was a bitch. Engineer's calc 3 was a joke though. It never really bothered me to go over bridges or be in tall buildings before I saw what the curriculum for engineers is, shit is stupid easy. The people in engineering are almost as dumb as the pre-med people.

>>379182045
There's no point in studying marine biology. You can always just pretend to be a marine biologist.

>>379184849
>arguable example based on real life experience
>other anon butthurt because it's not an acccurate representation of anything
>turn around and give him the meme arrow

why even bother replying

>>379188916
Girls can't into math or programming, why would there be pussy in it?

>>379188916
Pretty much.

There were like 3 girls in my huge graduating class for CS.

STEM is for autists.

I studied literature because my brain is better than just MUH NUMBERS.

>>379188704
I have to agree with that Anon. Programming is practically brain dead. There isn't much to it. The hard part is writing code for a good and useful application. Do enough of it and you'll be able to think things through and form an idea how something is made.

>>379188623
female nurses are some of the biggest cunts I've ever dealt with. they act so high and mighty over their profession

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>>379189059
>had like 30 at the start
>graduating class had 2
rmyt

>>379189094
Make sure you study my order and don't forget the fries.

>>379188905
>70K a year
Since when are nurse paid that much in France?
they're always crying not being paid enough

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>>379189094

>>379188117
High school failed you, like so many others. Try to self-teach basic C++ or even python fundamentals. You'll do well.

>>379188446
>vector addition
Don't you learn that in school? Like, 8th or 9th grade?