Guilty Gear

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Time to start practicing.

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>when you're so bad you lose against any Sol just spamming bandit bringer and fafnir

Baiken is apparently not that good. I play Axl and I've been destroying Baiken players left and right.

>>378403743
Baiken is solid, not great but good. The Axl matchup is just a hard one, and Axl is especially going to blow up anyone that doesn't know what they're doing, which is probably most Baiken players right now.

I don't like what they did with the lobbies. Before, they were a good way to count players on a specific region. Now they're condemned to be empty and barely usable

Don't worry, UNIELst comes out next month

>>378403935
What exactly did they change? I can still see the number of players in the world lobbies.

>>378404025
It looks a little interesting. I was thinking of picking up UNIEL at some point, but I never did.

>>378403743
Baiken is good. Probably mid tier. However you shouldn't be shock about killing Baikens left and right cause she does take some time to learn and all the waifufags are jumping on to play her. It'll be like Dizzy but 10 fold.

>>378404286
Well before, you had to go through the lobby to enter player match. Now you don't, and you leave the lobby if you want to play player match.
Like yes, player match has a count for players in that mode. The issue is that it's international, so if you're european or american, you'll know nothing about how many people are playing the game.

The funny thing about the player match count btw is that it's always between 100 and 200, until it's past work time in gookland and it goes up to 2000.

>>378402737
Get bodied boi

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>>378403352
Okay anon, so here's what you do. Go to training mode and set the dummy to do bandit bringer or fafnir or whatever move is giving you trouble. Keep experimenting until you find something that beats those moves.

spoonfeed: most character's 6Ps can beat out BB, and Sol can't cancel into fafnir in Xrd, so anything fast that reaches will do the trick

>>378402737

That's a big girl

how much frame delay can be considered acceptable for netplay? I remember getting like 8f against japs back in the first game but now I get like 4-5f which I don't feel is too bad

>>378405930
2

>>378406132
shit

>>378405930
In my experience 3-4 on console, 5-6 on PC.

>>378405930
Depends on the person. Some people cannot tolerate 3f at all on console, while other like me consider it to be the hard cap. But yeah, count between 2 and 4f of lag, stable.
And up to 6f on PC

never played revelator, would i be better off getting rev 2 on pc or ps4? wanna make sure i'm wherever the most people are

>>378407391
PC.

>learning baiken
>trying to bring her online is suicide because input delay makes parries almost impossible among a few more of her inputs
>end up spamming tatami and catching people with claw to win most of the time

the most fun I had tonight was against a really good Leo and another Baiken mirror. The other Baiken had a better grasp of her than I do at the moment and knew more combos but he was a no defense nelly so I managed to get a few wins off him, the Leo was obviously really good and I suspect if he knew the baiken matchup better he would have absolutely decimated me instead of just regularly decimating me

>>378407391
It probably depends on your region. I've heard PC became quite popular in Europe for Rev1 due to the smoother netcode. I imagine console is still much more popular in the US.

>>378407697
Input delay is going to make defensive azami use hard but you really shouldn't be using it on anything but very clear reads anyway.

>>378405831
Thanks senpai

>>378408038
Not even the pro's use blockstun azami

Baiken's dustloops are so much fun to do
>tfw Tatami Gaeshi hits in the corner
Hngggggggggggg

>>378408383
The one pro Baiken we actually have footage of does use it out of blockstun, but only when he knows it will work. The 1-3f active time hurts but it's not useless, you just have to be sure of what the opponent is doing.
That said I do hope it gets a buff to 5f.

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The following Venom combo on crouching opponents is giving me a lot of trouble online: c.S(2)>QVS>5P into ball hit>iad j.SHD>...

I can do it without any real issues offline, but just hitting the ball from QVS with 5P is terrible with only a few frames of delay. Even when it says I only have 1-3 frames of delay it feels like it's a lot more. Should I try to grind it out in training mode with delay enabled or just try to for an easy knockdown instead of damage when I play online?

is there an idiotproof way on beating minigame 4? Because I can't see shit thanks to the fucking camera.

>>378408781
I time it partly by visual, when the ball is about to travel around Venom's shoulder area.

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>Sunk hundreds of hours into playing Ky in AC
>Pick him up just fine in Xrd because he never changes except like two moves
>Try to branch out and try other characters like Elphelt
>Can't break my mindset off of having Ky's tools at my disposal
>Go back to playing Ky

It's not that I don't like playing him, I love him to death. But man, I can't seem to break away and use other characters for the life of me.
Elphelt and Baiken are top on the list of characters to learn but mid-match i'm always resorting to the same movement patterns and blockstrings that obviously don't work.

>>378410040
Just gotta break those habits.

I started on xrd, and I had the awful noob habit of always ending every combo with k mappa, instead of going for the knockdown mixup, or space with p mappa if needed.

Started doing unsafe sweeps when I panic, but eventually you learn better.

>>378403743
Axl is a true fag tier character, everyone has issues dealing with him.

Does your save file from Rev1 carry over to Rev2? like money, unlocks, etc.?

>beginner lobby
>get my ass handed

why is this allowed

>>378410902
Yes, if you get the upgrade and not the stand alone.

>>378412293
disc version doesn't carry over? that's bs

>>378412381
Why would you even get the more expensive stand alone if you already have Rev 1?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdjUhvAHG68

cute video

>>378402737
Advice don't use Baiken you will spend more time looking at her boob swagger than concentrating on the game

>>378412293
>>378412381
I think I read somewhere that you can important your Revelator save with the disc version.

>>378412423
Rather have the disc. Selling the old disc.

>>378412540
hope so

why doesn't the game show how good the connection is between players anymore in the lobby?

>>378410935
make a super beginner lobby?

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This is my first fighting game. How do I go about practicing my skills efficiently in this game?
I tried doing the combo mode, and while I'm able to pull the stuff it asks off after a bunch of tries, I couldn't pull these combos out from the top of my head in the heat of an actual fight.

>>378412471
I never expected them to translate that video

>>378410902
>>378412293
>>378412381
>>378412540

Disc version can import, i have it and it worked fine for me, have all my items unlocked from before

>>378413305
Learn your character's normal moves, what other normals they gatling into and from, how to control space with them, how to end in a knockdown if you hit with them, etc.
Get used to movement. Jumping, airdashing, dashing, braking your movement with faultless defense, etc.

You should really go through the mission mode if you haven't. It's the in-depth tutorial that teaches you all the mechanics of the game as well as some basic and advanced tech and even character-specific matchup stuff.

>>378413305
Just learn a simple combo at first, and add on to it and them as you grow accustomed to them.
You won't know when to apply or recognize the situations for other combos until you get more intuitive with the neutral, and how your character's attacks flow, which will happen over time and learning.

>>378413553
>start mission
>game expects you to start running at the opponent the exact same quarter second you're starting it up
>throws you back to the main mission on failure
I'd like to, but I think the mission mode is done very poorly.

>>378413305
Go to mission mode.
Do everything up until maybe the advanced stuff which you can sleep on until you're comfortable enough.
Soak up EVERYTHING those missions have to tell you. EVERYTHING.
Start with the simplest combos, like simple gatlings into sweep. Focus just as much on knowing HOW to do what you need to do as much as WHAT you need to do.
Look at high level match footage, tons of it on youtube. Don't focus too much on the crazy combos just notice how they move, how they block, what they do to get out of pressure.
Most importantly, don't feel like you need to start doing 70% combos in your first month of playing. Focus on getting over your match nerves and acting with a purpose, not mashing buttons. It takes time, a lot of time. Be patient. Practice basic execution and slowly work your way up.

Don't get discouraged.

>>378413716
You're just new and need practice. The things that mission mode goes over are all pretty essential.

>>378413824
My issue is that I don't even know what the game expects me do to before the game tells me I failed and throws me back to the main menu after a mission that lasts around half a minute. I don't mind practicing, but this is just unintuitive.

>>378414041
The game tells you what to do, and after a few failures gives you more hints. If you're really clueless you can just watch videos of other people doing the mission mode, too, it's just convenient to have it all in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD7iWuOM_Yw

If there's terminology you don't understand you should be able to get answers on the Xrd dustloop wiki page.

>>378412471
Kek, is that Terumi voicing the chibi Raven?

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how to may

>>378414158
Thanks for being helpful anon, but my issue is that I'm spending more time relocating the mission from the menue to have another go at it, than actually trying them.

>>378414307
Fucking destroy people with your stupid high damage, fast overhead, and crazy mixup oki. May is really good in Xrd and I'm surprised I don't see more of her.

>>378412471
>She's a cool female samurai who fights with her Japanese sword and hidden weapons!

https://youtu.be/paTW3wOyIYw?t=10s

>>378414307
throw balls and dolphins
remember to delay a ring dolphin so if you get a hit with a charge dolphin you can pick up a juggle into air combo.

but really just throw more balls and dolphins

>>378414358
You don't have to burn through it all in one go. You can just jump into online lobbies and try to get used to the pace of the game and remember the basics as you get blown up. Missions are just a really good thing to look at to get knowledge of how the game works.

>>378414474
But are the missions even helpful if I don't like playing as Sol Badguy?

>>378403352
Thats nothing. I still loose to johnny players doing the same mixup all day, i fucking hate that coin that counters everything.

>>378414605
Yes.
Spacing, pokes, mixups, whiff punishing, blocking, etc. are universal concepts.

why do I feel like I'm not playing fair with Leo

it feels blending a juice

>>378414605
Yeah. The ones that force you to play Sol are just teaching universal things, either mechanics or techniques that you'll use all the time regardless of who you're playing. Other missions that teach you to combat certain characters or things will let you choose a character when you start them.
Even the stuff in the very first missions about baiting attacks with FD braking or intercepting attacks with far reaching normals is the foundation of how the neutral game works.

>>378414220
I think so, Makoto's VA is also there.

>>378414731
Leo is pretty unga as fuck.
Characters without really strong reversals essentially just have to guess an opening, which is a truly abstract kind of hell in even light lag.

>>378414374
You don't see her much because charge motions and negative edge scare off most beginners. That said she's probably the easiest charge character to learn except for maybe Axl.

>>378414731
>throws you out of your rekka
>backstep your back-stance mixup
>zone you out

I like fighting Leo's

What the fuck is a Jump Cancel?

The game tells me to do it without explaining what it is.

>>378415009
Canceling a move with a jump. So instead of being stuck in the full recovery frames of, say, Baiken's 5s, you jump out as soon as it hits and continue pressure/the combo.

>>378414731
You're playing an okizeme monster, and most people don't like to spend meter on fault defense. I play I-no and fuck up tons of people because of similar reasons.

>>378415009
Cancelling a normal's animation with a jump IE press up back, up or up forward. Jump canceling is like a Gatling.

>>378415009
cancelling the ending frames/animation of certain moves by jumping

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>>378415149
>baiken's 5s
what the fuck are you even talking about, autismo. Please use terms newbies can actually understand.

>>378415009
Some moves have jump cancellable properties,meaning you can immediately cancel that move with a jump. Such moves are usually 5K, c.S (close proximity S), but can be other moves depending on a character

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>>378414731
Leo destroys people who don't know how to deal with him, moreso than other characters.
>>378415271
Learn this, this is important.

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>tfw trying to learn Venom

>>378415149
>>378415160
>>378415190
>>378415296
Fuck, thanks.

This game needs a searchable glossary in-game.

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>>378415362
Hope you like experimenting will balls

>>378415271
The number corresponds to the positions in a numpad. 5 refers to the middle of the numpad so it means you dont press/move anything in the dpad/stick. S means slash.

6H for example means forward + Heavy slash since 6 is right in the numpad position assuming you face right. If you face left, 6H means you still press forward. No matter your orientation 6 means forward and 4 means back. 2 is croushing while 3 is crouch forward.

>>378415271
Not him but you're going to hear numbers and letters a lot. Numbers correspond to a num pad on a computer, and the direction you have to input facing right.

789
456
123

5 in this case is neutral or not pressing any directional input. As for "S" it refers to the button you have to attack with; Slash. P is Punch, K is Kick, S is Slash, HS is Hard Slash, and D is Dust.

>>378415429
Try the tutorial. It covers most of the basic mechanics in brief overview through a weird mini-game.

>>378415513
That's it. I'm gay now. Thanks Venom, my ass is yours

>>378415513
Watching 310 style on the training dummy in between sets is the hypest shit.

>>378415549
>Try the tutorial.
I'm on them , but the term Jump Cancelling came out of nowhere during one of the combo tutorials.

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>make a character that's supposed to play like they are from SF
>give them an input that's too complex for the average SF player

Was Kum a mistake?

>>378415698
I believe there are 2 tutorials, but I culd be mistaken. There's the tutorial with Sol and a bunch of minigames starting Jack-o that teaches you the bare basics of buttons. The other tutorial is a more intermediate one that teaches you tech and jargon like Jump cancels, roman cancels, safe jumps etc

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>>378415362

>>378415730
Input is more lenient in Rev2 and also holy shit Kum got some buffs. Pretty scared of his damage now.

>>378415730
They simplified the input, and frankly Kum is one of the scariest guys to be knockdown on plus has crazy hype combos so if any sf player can't put in the time to learn a secret great character that's on them.

>>378415812
I think the more technical tutorial was only in Sign but you find all these things in mission mode instead.

>>378415698
Pretty sure they explain jump cancelling in Mission mode

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is May's essenga different now? I feel like something's off

>>378415009
>>378415271
>>378415429
Which character are you using may I ask?

>>378416123
No longer gets a knockdown when done midescreen, only in the corner.

>>378415730
I fucking love Kum's wall bounce loops.

>>378416125
I'm alternating between Johnny, Baiken and I-No right now. I still haven't decided who I'm most comfortable with yet.

>>378415996
I looked at the titles but it's not there.

So what exactly does Rev 2 add to the game? Are there free changes to the base game too or will the game get split between base and Rev 2?

>>378416125
I-No here.

>>378416123
>Standing and crouching reeling hurtboxes enlarged.
>6P keeps upper body invul if held.
>6H blind spot right in front of May removed.
>5P/2P to 2K gatling now works even if you use 3K (which would give you slide now).
>jD has normal stun modifier.
>May recovers in midair after landing Overhead Kiss.
>Applause goes off after flash if you let go of the button during flash.
>Instant cancel on the ridden hoop dolphin is now easier.
>Beach ball now gains improved hit properties the moment May steps on it instead of after she bounces.
>Essenga hit effect changed, gained wall bounce in corner.
>IK blind spot right in front of May removed.

IIRC essenga no longer grants knockdowns unless you hit them with it in corner.

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Going to start learning Answer. The hardest part I guess will be getting use to using his Scrolls properly. I'm not used to playing a character with this much mobility but he is still a lot of fun.

>>378416319
Those are some solid picks. In my opinion though, the best pick for a beginner out of those is Baiken, execution wise too.

>>378416348
Base game already got a free update that I think added some lobby features Rev2 brings to it. Rev2 also gets you the new characters and new system/balance/move changes. Characters that didn't have arcade stories now get them, and there's a continuation of Rev1's story mode plus more story content being added in future free patches.

Would it be a bad idea to pick Slayer or Baiken as my first characters?
Realistically I'll just pick Sol or Ky but Slayer and Baiken seem like the neatest.

>>378416458
The way I see Answer is a more mobile, yet weaker Sol.

I can tell that he can be super UNGA if someone can tap to his potential.

>>378416407
Your 6P, 5P, cS, 5K and 5H are jump cancellable

Jump cancelling is where you hit up while you are doing the move, so that during the recovery frames, you jump.

If you want to figure out if a move is jump cancellable, literally just hit up while the move is hitting an opponent and then see if the character jumps after you do no inputs.

>>378416570
Baiken is alright. Just know you have to be comfortable with instant airdashing and how to properly use your guard cancels and counter stance.

Slayer requires good knowledge of neutral though, his damage comes from punishing dumb moves made by opponents so he's an intermediate character.

>>378416570
Your honestly best off going with whoever you think is the coolest if only because you're more likely to stick it out and have fun with them. A lot of Slayer's game is going to take knowledge that you won't have for a while but you can still work on fundamentals with him, and he still blows people up off one or two good counterhits so it's not like you'll be hopeless.
Baiken is honestly pretty straightforward and easy to learn outside of her parries.

>>378416643
>cS
What's this?

>>378416851
close Slash

>>378416851
Close proximity S. 5S has two modes depending on your distance from the opponent. Theres Close S or c.S if you're at point blank range, and far S or f.S if you're 1 character away. You can try it out by pressing 5S near and far from the opponent. Close S is the jump cancellable move while Far S is a poking tool that isnt jump cancellable

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>>378416851
close slash.

Typical uses with I-no for it is to launch the opponent up for air combos. You need to either hit them while they are airborne or use 6P. For example, you AA them with 5P or something, then go to cS jump cancel etc, It is also used for Vertical chemical love loops. cS > VCL > cs > VCL or 5P > cS > VCL > etc

Slash is the only button that changes due proximity to the opponent.

Her far slash is pretty poopy, so don't really use it that much, 2S/5K/2K are much better pokes.

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>Really liking Answer, super fun with his mobility
>Was picking up Zato slowly and started winning in Rev2.

I don't really like switching mains, I've had the same one in BB since CSE. But I really feel like dropping Bedman for Zato or Answer. Is Answer gonna still be fun after the Honeymoon period?

>>378417337
No clue on how strong Answer will really end up being since he doesn't really have any high level representation, but he does seem really fun if you like having options in neutral.

>>378417337
Answer is.....weird atleast for me. His combos are really cool looking and his mixups are dangerous, but he has weird timing in them, and I dont like how when you set up a scroll, you meed to precisely just tap the direction to zoom in that direction, while holding the direction doesnt make him do anything.

Also
>Dropping Bedman
He's fucking dumb in this iteration why would you drop him?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ottori_Gengar/status/868782068200755200

>>378416643
>i-no
>6p
>jump cancelable

lol no

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anyone playing with pad?

>>378418376
Yeah your right, brain fart

>>378418007
>Bedmans will still cry out for buffs after they gutted 6HS

Is there no Justice in this world?

>>378418461
Yeah, never had a problem with it.

>>378417898
>>378417337
Koichi, the I-no god switch to Answer.

Here's a whole playlist answer shit mixed with other shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSfluDC35M&list=PLSq9hRF0zPpWupuXhNFw1V9SbbK9RDJ_Y

All the Koichi shit is great and so is the Kazunoko shit. Just look at the video names.

Does /v/ like Elphelt?

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*blocks your path*

>>378418661
my thumb hurts

>>378418461
I do. I personally use a Hori FC4.

>>378417898
>>378418007
Thanks. Perhaps it is just the excitement of a new character.
I'm not having too much gib with his scrolls, but I do get a bit sticky with some of his mixups. Then again talking on twitter, most people seem to have the same issue

>Why would you drop him?
I don't find him fun anymore and his general play style has moved away from how I liked him in early sign. Zato is more akin to how I like to play generally.


>>378418672
Thanks Anon. Something to watch with lunch.

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>>378418672
Gee, I wonder why he switched.

>>378413460
nice thanks.

>>378418742
Just gotta build your fighting game muscles.

>>378404025
>>378404346
>under night in-birth exe late
>melty blood actress again current code

what the fuck is wrong with anime fighters and these nonsense names

>>378408383
Because it's fucking garbage. God I hate what they did to her. Why would you remove her guard cancels aka the definitive character feature? Stupid azami bullshit is worthless.

>>378418963
Part of the charm. It's French Bread touch. I think they've become self aware after Melty Blood so they just put all the cool sounding english words for them in UNIEL.

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>>378418963
And now it's:
>Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late[st]

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I like Elphelt's Elphelts.

>>378418736
I'd love it if she did, what an obstacle to have.

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>Baiken violently bellowing out "TATAMI GAAAAESHI"
I love her

>>378418846
I've read he just wants a break from her since he hasn't been playing as much recently due to work and found answer a good way back in. Pretty sure he'll switch back eventually, but for now he's really pushed the character expeditions for answer. He does IAD loops on Potemkin like 3-4 times. Cool shit.

https://youtu.be/Z-KjSzbXq60?t=13m3s

>>378414418
>"Speaks better japanese than most weebs"
>weebs post completely unnatural sounding japanese in response
I wish you had to log in to see comments.

Is Elphelt top tier in Rev2? I think she got some nerfs.

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>>378419536
>mfw Daigo won't come back playing GG even though most top players don't like the direction SF is going

I wonder how big of an upset that would be,

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>>378402737
>Baiken well never sit on your face. It's not fucking fair life is to cruel.

>>378419902
I don't take it against him. He's good with most fighting games, sure, but it would take a considerable time for him to match Mikado players in terms of skill. He would lose to Mikado jobbers like Lox in a real match. Sticking to something comfortable isn't really a bad thing.

>>378419902
People want meme-sport not fun.

>>378419871
Still great, probably top 8 for sure. for all the stink Elphelt mains made; she's still fantastic.

>>378419902
Why would he? He's sponsored, and a family man in his early 40's. He doesn't have time to relearn GG. He use to play X and X2 against OG Odgawa. He's been through far worse learning curves. Let the old man have his comfy game, and care for his family.

Is the snooker/pool man in this game?

I don't know who he is but I had the concept described to me from a previous Guilty Gear and he sounds great

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>>378420357
Yes.

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I just bought this with my dick. Did I made a mistake?

I'm having fun though. And so is my dick.

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>>378420480
>Did I made a mistake?
no

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>>378420480
>I just bought this with my dick. Did I made a mistake?
You tell me.

>>378420480
Buy with your dick, and possibly stay for the high level and complex gameplay. I see nothing wrong with that.

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>>378420529
Black rose is far superior.

>>378420529
This game literally has pantsu tech
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1128800

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>think I'm good enough to graduate from beginner lobbies
>get destroyed in regular lobbies

>>378421350
Its ok, it took me a year to actually get decent with Guilty gear, and it was my first fighting game.to take seriously.

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Finally a thread with actual discussion, could you please tell me how hard is Baiken to learn and which are her worst matchups?

>>378421212
thats pretty cool. we need more pantsu tech in this game and all fighting games

>>378421602
I've been playing since sign though

it's like I literally cannot get any better, forever mediocre

>>378421652
She's easy. The only hard part with her are IAD corner dustloops and tiger-knee'd Yozansen instant overheads, execution wise. Of course, in order to really utilize her tools, you need to take advantage of her counter stance which you can only really learn with foresight through experience

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>>378404025
>unironically playing Autism Night @ Dennys

fucking kys

>>378421652
Picking up Baiken is pretty straight forward. Generally you want to control space with tatami mats, her good ranged normals like 2S, f.S, j.S, etc. and get good corner carry on conversion. In the corner her pressure is good and damage is great. Reliable oki with air tatamis, instant overhead option that's safe with 50% meter.
The advanced stuff with her is going to revolve around proper usage of azami, her parry stance.

>>378421782
show us a video so we can critic you

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Rev2 OST additions, grab it while you can lads.
http://www110.zippyshare.com/v/si2PgyQi/file.html

>>378417083
Nice damage but you'd get air thrown at the end.

>>378421652
Baiken is easy outside of her guard cancel azami gimmick which is extremely hard.

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>>378422672

>>378413305
If this is your first fighting game, just pick stylish mode on

>Ky and Dizzy's faces at the "Sugar water" incident
Christ, can you imagine if your kid was really that fucking dumb?

>>378421652
Dizzy, Zato and Axel are her worst. All command throw characters are extra scary for her. Dizzy fish eat your azumi counters and so does zato's eddie. Axel will just never let you in.

Actual combos are general straight forward. All your corner stuff is usually 2k 5s launcher (tatami or her azumi uppercut) into j.s j.d AD j.s j.d 5s or 6hs super jump j.p j.s j.d AD j.p j.s j.d 5s azumi uppercut into okizeme. Combo will change depending on prorate and weight but the gist of it is: get launcher > air string ending in j.d > air dash in before you hit ground doing another airstring ending in j.d >relaunch and start at second point again or end combo with azumi uppercut

Mid screen is mostly just using tatami to control space, building meter as much as you can and always finishing your air strings with j.d for corner carry. Her best mix up is her instant overhead Yozansen, which a dp air only move, so you have to tiger knee it (6239) on a ground string. Her guard dash is one of her best neutral mechanics in the game, and works as an excellent mix up for ending gatling strings to go for throws or continue pressure on opponents who respect a lot.

Not super hard to play but relies a lot on air dashes (also microdashes somewhat) and is a meter hog, so if you suck at dash inputs or are really bad with meter you'll struggle. Azumi stance requires lots of practice looking for gaps to get into it and properly punish, but that'll come over time. focus more on learning her neutral so you get to play more. She's way easier to pick up now than she use to be.

t. x2 and rev2 baiken main

>>378415513
Does not work on real opponents though.

>>378422227
That combo is hardly practical without a jump normal starter anyway. Presumably if you did actually get it, the only reason to use dive HS is for the extra 1 hit you would get over the knockdown from HCL VCL, which would be relevant if you're trying to kill them through guts.

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>>378423476
>azumi

>>378402737
Why does the ground shake when she sits

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>>378416419
>6P keeps upper body invul if held.

Is it viable as an anti air? Don't like the speed of 2 HS

>>378423868
That ass was fat.

>>378423564
It comes off a 2k; not really that impratical. The first bro catches mashing, and you can end the combo only spending 50 meter and finishing from the c.s into knockdown with 4 ball okizeme.

The real problem is wake up timings, as some characters will just get up too fast. Combo itself is pretty practical though.

>>378423793
I thought she only had one eye

So how do blockstrings work? Anything I should be doing to not give up pressure?

>>378423793
typos aside, a majority of what i said is still relevant.

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>>378423564
Aight, this should be real

So can a beginner play Dizzy or is she too hard?

>>378424190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ttkMlvr7Iw&list=PLj34EySs1IeZ8GpjKW8R2T6dzI6B3GSuH&index=11

>>378424157
Faust is good doctor

>>378424315
She's not that technical but her combos weird to confirm.

>Played Guilty Gear XX#Reload with /v/ for a few months
>Used to be able to kick everybodies asses with Jam and Anji
>Stopped playing for like a week
>Came back and lost almost every single fight

Yeah you basically have to play fighting games only if you want to keep that muscle memory for stupid bullshit and pointlessly waste your time smashing buttons and directions.

I like fighting games, I just don't understand the people who can autism them for 12 hours a day.

They're all the fucking same

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how do i beat sin as potemkin?

>>378424495
Sounds more like you like the idea of fighting games but don't actually enjoy them at all.

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>>378424537

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>>378424650

>>378424495
Sounds like you should stop playing airdashers

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>>378424731

>>378424753
You're mad about the airdashing and not about the auto-parry that Anji gets? That's what everybody got pissed at me about when I was actually playing.

>>378424527
ICPM YRC to get in is a thing, especially if you use it out of nowhere. They will try to space with Beak Driver, anticipate it for a timely Slide Head into Hammerfall Break. Backdash is a major deal in this matchup as the Sin player's attempt to meaty you with 3K, 2H and 2K will fall flat into a punish due to the fast active time of those moves vs the backdash's iframes. They can still get you with 2D, but not if you change it up. Greedy Sin players will waste calories on you. Use this to your advantage and snipe for an easy slide head if they're in the yellow zone calorie wise.

Elk Hunts to get in will get punished with Megafist.

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How to Jack-O?

>>378424854
>getting mad about having guardpoints that last less than a second

Were you playing with scrubs?

>>378425372
I told you I was playing with /v/, so of course I was.

>>378425215
Watch this guy. A bit outdated as its still Rev1, but most of the strats he uses still apply https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG61RnS-eOU

In general, you play her with the mindset of a Tower Defense game. You lay down houses and throw them at your opponent as a means of pressure, or you can throw or place them in weird positions, like off screen. A way to do this is to lay down houses, throw them at your opponent then either bait them to come after you or drive them to go away from the houses. With the houses off screen, the ghosts keep coming but your opponent will be in this awkward position that the source of the ghosts is too far off.

Once you have them knocked down and ghosts come in, harass them with 6K if they try to jump out. j.D spam is also good both in neutral, and additional way to annoy them while they're getting poked by ghosts. 3K is also a good move, but use it sparingly as it is easy to punish on block. Use it when you're covered by the ghosts in terms of pressure, that the opponent is scared to do anything.

When you have 50 meter, do not be shy by using the pillar super, as it has long animation. Ghosts still spawn and move to where your opponent is even when the animation is playing, so even if they block the super, you have effectively created time for your minions to come in.

When they're in the corner, and ghosts are swarming, this is where you harass them with house throws and 3K. Remember that you have a command grab with 6D so use that as well as part of your mixup arsenal.

>>378426306
Thank you anon

>>378426306
With the new detonation buff making minions and houses invincible, I've seen a Jack-O player use it then recalled houses as well as for mindgames. Looks good, but also mind intensive.

So who is a good beginner character to learn neutral? I have always been bad at getting people to respect my space.

>>378427094

Ky, Faust, Axl.

>>378427094
Sol, Sin, Ky, Elphelt, Faust. Not only are these characters easy to pickup, they're also pretty good even at mid-high levels.

>>378427210
>>378427159

Different anon here. What about Jam?

>>378427354
You need to already have a good grasp and control of neutral for Jam. She has horrid range, so you have to get in quick and apply pressure. You need to know how to effectively use puffball and her command dash in general. Not a particularly easy character to learn neutral with.

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>>378427354
Free pressure. Hope you like pressing buttons

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>tfw character crisis since SIGN

>>378427159
>>378427210
So I guess I should go with Ky, anything I should remember for him? What's the right range to do his dash thingy? There are a lot of times where I am too close and it doesn't connect properly.

>>378428395
If you hit 5HS near the tip you're in good range for the slide. His gatlins are pretty lenient so you can pretty much anything into 5HS > slide.

>>378410040
To be fair, picking up other characters than your main feels especially hard in this game, it's not that simple as in SFV or mobs trash games, you have to do considerably more work and research to get it to a usable level. You go back to Ky all the time because you feel gimped abd simply risk losing if you don't take him. At least that's how it is in my case.

>>378427094
Ky is easy to play, secretly top tier and has one of the best neutrals in the game. Majority of his button doubles as a great aa and he has strong okizeme to continue to pressure. his new 6hs is fucking oppressive.

>>378403743
>playing Axl
>>>/lgbt/

>>378402737
T H E L E G E N D 2 7

>>378428395
for reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHes7AsOHUQ

Rozu and Ain are the go to Ky players right now. Not only is Ky straightforward and incredibly intuitive, he's actually really flexible, so you can play him in a variety of ways, from decent keepaway, to neutral monster, to okizeme setups; he has it all.

His buttons are all useful. f.S and 2S are your go to poking tool, while 5H is the one you use to confirm to slide provided you're close enough. Once they're down, you either hit do a safe jump, or more likely than not, place a heavy stun edge on top of them so they're forced to hold that while you continue pressure. 6H is another tool you can use to force them to block on wakeup and repeat.

6P and 2H are his anti-airs. 6P is for a traditional anti-air that snuffs jump ins and greedy airdashes, while 2H is for punishing moves that place the opponent directly on top or vertical to you. Vapor Thrust is a decent reversal, it does its job done; but it's commonly used for combo enders and his signature corner loop.

His pressure game is also strong. 5K is fast, is a standing low and when it connects, they're basically open to a follow-up. Call Durandal, his raw Dust can be used in the air as a form of instant overhead. Its command version, Split Ciel (236D) is used as a combo ender so the next heavy stun edge is enhanced, as a way to keep block strings safe since it does decent pushback on block, and you can use it in neutral as well just to fire stun edges for keep away. Ky is amazing.

I play this with two friends and we are all absolute trash at fighting games.

Anyone else who sucks at fighters whana play with me on PC?

>>378429998
Join any lobby. 95 percent of playerbase is terrible anyway.

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I stopped playing Rev for about 2 months before Rev 2 released.

Hoped on Rev 2 and sat in training mode for 45 minutes then jumped online and within 5 games I honestly felt better than when I stopped playing.

Is it normal for my muscle memory to last that long and kick in so fast?

I went from not being able to do air jump cancel combos reliably to hitting them every round now.

>>378426306
cool, I'm just throwing houses right now and it seems like it's working

I have no idea what I'm doing though

>>378429554
I fucking love Ky.

Old costume when? It shows up in story mode and Dizzy's arcade mode

>>378430719
Yes. if you do it enough, you can retain combos reasonably well for weeks at a time. Ideally you should never break for months but if you put a lot of time into a certain combos, you should always retain it on some level.

>>378402737
Lol

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>>378410040
I always end up playing characters that reward my complete lack of self restraint, like Sol, May, Jam, and Baiken as she is in REV2 is pretty much GGX Sol with defensive tech. I never go full UNGA though so Leo and Sin never interested me. Characters that hit like a truck but have tools to lessen the opponent's ability to avoid corner rape are my favorites and luckily GG has a large assortment of variety with that idea in mind.

>>378424635
i feel like this.

it feels bad.

>>378429554
Thanks man, this stuff really helps.

>>378430796
holy shit I actually won

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Well /v/?

>>378407391
obviously PC.

you think people actually own a PS4 to play fighting games? The PS4 version can't even play it at 60fps.

at least on PC even with a toaster you can play it at 120fps.

its funny how all you retards respond like you know anything when none of you can even place top 16

>>378431542
I mean I play Kum but I fucking hate Street Fighter. I just like seeing tons of damage but I don't want to play actual gorilla characters like Leo or Sin.

>>378431737
Stop being a facetious asshole

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>year since release
>still no porn

someday

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>>378431542
guilty as charged

So I really fell in love with playing Elphelt but apparently she's hated in the community?

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>>378432174
Ignore what others say, enjoy Elphelt as much as I do.

>>378431990
k, I'll answer his question honestly.

>>378407391
get it on PC. that's where the most people are.

what are the chances of getting zappa and aba within the next few iterations of this game?

>goobers

>>378432174
Because for a long time, she was too well-rounded and out UNGA'd even the UNGA characters. Dunno about this version though.

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>>378432341
hopefully after bridget

>>378432174
Elphelt and Raven are both cancerous because of how easy they are to play for how absurdly good they are.

>>378432285
Elphelt deserves a husband.

>>378432174
She used to be overpowered as fuck so people who remember those days will have leftover salt.

>>378432442
You won't play Bridget even if he gets in. You'll say you will just like other Bridget "players" but it'll be just like the old games where Bridget players are a myth because the only people that like him are trapfags who don't actually play the game.

>>378431960
Any tips on reliably getting out his DP kick?

That shit is just too hard for me, so It's the only special I dont use

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>>378432473
Damn straight

Post EU online. Dead like always?

>>378431542
Who makes these?

>>378407391
Getting it on pro soon
>>378413305
Play through arcade with a character you enjoy to play as on the actual hardest difficulty.

>>378432584
You mean the reverse hold one? Just do 1 instead of trying to hit 4.

>>378428017
I know how that feels. I forced myself to settle for one character but I still feel like I'm drifting to other characters at times. It's especially bad if you're terrible at the game because you will probably improve a lot quicker if you stick with just one character.

>>378415730
I was messing around in the demo with my friend and Kum hits like a fucking train filled with bricks.

Between him, Answer and Baiken I may drop Ky

>>378432113
>cloth over the ballgag
Why bother? The ballgag on its own would be hotter

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>>378432572
i'll dedicate my life to gitting gud with bridget

>>378431542
very few people get the art of making these types of charts any good. this is one of the few good ones

>>378432970
No, you won't. You'll realize how garbage he is after a few sessions and then go back to fapping to his porn.

>>378432654
On release night there were like 20 people in the French lobby. Not sure about player rooms.

>>378432829
>tfw I just go into training mode to practice
>never get good even when I play online because I never get to do what I practiced

So this is what pain feels like.

>>378433108
>fapping to his porn.
I don't fap to him though.

>>378433181
Bullshit you don't. The only people that give a shit about Bridget are trapfags who want to see his boipussy get plowed.

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>>378432113
She is not for sexualization.

>>378433250
Damn. Meant to post a more innocent looking image.

>>378433239
Stop projecting. I like traps and I like Bridget, but I don't fap to Bridget.
I like the yoyo weapon too; it was my favorite powerup in Kirby Super Star.

why is xrd rev 2 not for sale on steam? can i only buy it if i buy xrd rev first? or is it free if i already own xrd rev?

>>378431542
>wonders what her feet would smell like
Sadly accurate

>>378433352
It's not projecting. I've been with the fanbase of GG for years and years, and Bridget fans are all the same trapfags who don't actually play the game.

i haven't played since xrd sign, one of the things that put me away from the game was unga bunga-ness of sin and leo, were they nerfed?

>>378433356
If you already own XRD the upgrade will be available on June 1st, if you haven't got the base game already you need to buy the full package

>>378433356
Steam version comes out on the 1st of June. Rev2 is DLC for Revelator. 20 dollarydoos to upgrade and 45 or something for the package deal with Revelator and Rev2.

>>378433139
I envy US players.

>>378433492
Leo was never good.

>>378416570

Baiken if you like a blend of execution requirements, Slayer if you like to kove around mainly with buttons

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>>378431542
Fug

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>>378433108
I wouldn't call him the worst

>>378433723
Maybe not worst, but he's never been very good at all.

>Jack-O got nerfed
>Axl got buffed
Why? Axl didn't need any fucking buffs and this matchup is already cancer for Jack. Guess it's time to drop her and go back to Ky.

>>378431542
>Reifags
>basement dwellers with jungle fever
HOW DO YOU KNOW THESE THINGS?!
HOW DO YOU KNOW???!!

>>378434157
>being a reifag
fucking why?

>>378432572
People didn't play Bridget in older games because even in iterations where every character was viable, he was still the "least" viable one. Combine that with a character using a runaway style in a game centered around offense and you're not going to find many competitive players who want to use him. Xrd pretty much completely changed characters like Jam and Baiken from the ground up anyway so it's not like they won't do the same for Bridget anyway.

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when i see these threads i always see people reply with "learning the game for the first time" or "just bought xrd, who's a good beginner character" but i know some of you must have been playing it for a while now.

what lobbies do you people play in? or do you host /v/ rooms or what? i've been netplaying in xrd since sign so i feel like i would at least recognize some PSN names

>>378432174
She went for a full year and a half as a unpatched SUPER oppressively good character, now she's just really good. She has a LOT of leftover resentment though. Similarly, a lot of OG Xrd players hated Ram and Millia back in the vanilla days and currently Sin and Zato is one of the most hated despite some nerfs. Sol, Raven, Ky and Leo are also often called unga.

>>378434505
Join the dustloop discord.

>>378434247
I don't know. I can't control my dick.

>>378434247
babby's first doll waifu

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>>378434049
>Axl
>buffs

All of his bad MUs got even worse, haitaka is dead, j.2s has hurtbox on chain and combos with j.6K deal less damage than pure bomber loop

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>>378431542
THE HOOP IS GREAT FUCK OFF

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How do I play nigger waifu

>>378431542
can confirm at least I-no's is true.

>>378434917
According to Ram players bitch about being barely playable for eternity.

According to the rest work around lackluster neutral by switching between with and without sword, get them into corner and do your + on block overheads till they break.

>>378403352
>win as ky, sol or leo
>don't feel anything
Neither me nor opponent wants to learn. I'm dropping bnbs, do unsafe pressing and still winning.

>>378434570
i already have

it's not that i'm looking for people to play, i'm just curious to know how many of you i might have already run into online and played before

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>>378434917
>Get your opponent in the corner
>Deploy both swords
>Alternate S And HS
>Profit
Also don't call her like that ever again

>>378432341
Zappa? Extremely likely. A.B.A? Keep dreaming.

>>378432572
I played Bridget as my second character.

>>378434917
As far as I have experienced you hit the opponent with a launching move such as 623S, corner carry with a chain combo (P>K, P>K, P>P>P or something), combo from the wall-splat and then mixups with swords.
PS: I want a replica of that hat really badly.
Also she's not black, notice the straight hair and soft, feminine facial features.

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>>378434505
Secrit club lobbies, pubstomping and that would be all. I'm not too active rn anyway, having 4th character crisis is no fun

Don't want to play on dustloop discord, prefer smaller groups.

>>378403352
Block,Learn counters thats how I beat my friend who did that shit and I got so good at it he had to swap mains.

Is anyone here playing right now on PS? I'm trying to shotgun ranked just to get some matches and get better, but nobody is wanting to play me anymore because my fights are boring and defensive.

>>378418007
I never understood why people were even considering dropping bedman. Ya he lost his 6HS but he gets way better space control with air deja vu and his new 6HS.

>>378418963
>>378419047
How is it so much worse than Guilty Gear XX Accent Core + R exactly?

>playing GG
>spend a long time getting good with Milla, Testament, Zappa, Ky and Bridget

>Xrd doesn't have Testament or Zappa

S-soon

>>378435914
> I'm trying to shotgun ranked

There's yer problem bub

so what do i buy if i wanna playthe most current or the best version of this ?

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>>378436372
Read the thread, amigo.

>>378431542
lol jorts. I like Axl and I'd play him but I hate doing the tk dp combos. So I'm learning Sin instead. I'm not a tryhard I just want a character that doesn't give me trabble.

>>378436358
Well I have pretty much no friends and the closest lobby to texas is always empty, it's all I've usually got.

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>>378436005
he actually lost huge space control with 2h and 3h launching on counter hit only now.
the big change is no more 2k into 5h. low attack combos have severely less damage because of it and it hurts his mixup game.

the 6h change was a meme among bedman players. no one actually cares, it was just a free crossup.

>>378432572
Playing Bridget is worth it at least because it's humiliating. Probably for both players, even.

>>378436673
Just make a player room and set it to 1 or 2 bar. I set mine on one bar. And write Midwest or West Coast whichever one you prefer. Then you can practice your tech while you wait for someone to show up.

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>>378432442
leave

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>>378436005
For me it was about not being good enough with him. Always felt like shit for not misinputing his airdash and doing weaker combos

>>378436943
i dont care about baiken or jam though

Who would be a good character for me to play?

I messed about a bit with Venom, but I'm not sure he's for me. I play Vega in SFV, Lambda and Relius in BB, and Sho in P4 Ultimax.

>>378437003
Bedman

>>378436817
I did that for nearly an hour before saying fuck it and going to ranked because I just need more play time because that's where my problem is.

>>378437003
I like Sin. He has the good mid range pokes and he can get in your face easily with pole vaults and good special moves.

>>378437119
If all else fails, I know that there is a Texan fighting game scene. Maybe try going to your locals?

>>378437119
I usually switch off between ranked and player matches.

>>378437336
I play games to escape socialising

>>378437336
Closest one I've been able to find is about 3 hours away in Dallas, I can't afford to make that drive for maybe 3 hours of playing, and I've been trying since high school to get more people in my area to get interested but nothing's stuck.

>>378437572
So do I. I have aspergers. Whenever someone tries to talk to me online I get nervous.

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Will people still hate me for playing Raven in Rev 2?

>>378437882
People are going to hate you no matter who you play.

>>378437882
Not as much if you played Axl or Sin or May or Chipp. My favorite characters are the ones that everyone else hates.

>>378437882
Literally the better Millia

>>378402737
>thinks he can break his scrub panic so easily
took me a few years, anon

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I watched Sign and Revelator's story modes and I don't recognize the guy on the bottom right of this

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>rev2
>still don't have raven

just

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>>378438513
Keep fishing than.

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>>378431542
Guilty as charged.

>>378439606
Please do not lewd the May

>>378438404
He was a character in the background in the Japanese Colony in Revelator's story mode.

>>378437542
>>378437336
I never got an actual response but is anyone here actually playing right now? I can make a lobby if needed.

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>Haven't fucked around with a fighter since Soul Caliber 3
>Get gifted Rev 2
>Instantly settle on this dandy motherfucker

I may be getting destroyed for 100 fights in a row, but that one fight where it all comes together feel so worth it.

Counter Hit pilebunkers make my dick rock hard.

>>378440812
I'm playing blazblue lol. I don't like my main Axl so I have to learn how to play Sin. I'll practice it later but I need a little time before I can play games.

fucking goobers lmfao

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>>378441685
Don't forget CH Its Late as well anon. Hilarious oki tool and very handy for saving that 50 meter for collecting haikus.

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>>378440812
I haven't played the game for 4 years

Anyone know any good elph tutorial-type videos?
I know the basics, so no need for the very basic stuff.

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>>378441685
>when people start respecting your slayer and you start dandy step grabbing them

>>378442217
LOL

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>>378439790
It's cute, not lewd.

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>>378442675
Her butt is cute