Ho, hohoho, oh that slaps me on the TF2 Thread

Medic > Mercy

I learned today in TF2 if you get off a lucky Ambassador headshot on an mid-air enemy soldier and kill him he will start up an inquisition to get you removed from the server.

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Is she the final boss of TF2?

>>378400271
doesn't mercy heal like 4x faster than the medic?

>>378401196
no, medic heals at 72 at max per sec while mercy heals at 60ish constantly

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>>378400316

Can you blame him? Burly Beast is like a top 3 item in the entire game.

Hey you guys, I think Heavy and Medic might be gay

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post yer medal boys

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>>378400206
Reminder valve abandoned your game for the far more profitable, better game.

Defense of the ASSFAGGOTS Zwei.

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>>378401726
right here senpai

>>378401390
medic heals 24 per second right? 72 if they haven't been hit within 30 seconds

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>still no medic as fun as Russian Waifu Sparks or Spanish Fruit Man

How can Mercy even compete?

>>378401390
>>378402008
Don't forget he can buff" the people he tops up with an over heal that gives them extra health for a bit

Is it safe to say that the Pyro update will be out mid july?
>>378401836
(you)

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>>378402191
Top tier taste my man

>>378402318
Feels good to land a headshot and then rez the guy they were going to knife all from a comfy distance away.

>>378402264
What's the Pyro update entail?

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Valve decides to come out with female versions of the mercs. cosmetics will be redone where needed. voices will be added.

what is your reaction?

>>378402514
they're going to ""improve"" the competitive mode.

When's TF3

>>378402592
depends how cute the mercs are.

>>378402592
Jennifer Hale will do Soldier, yeah?

>>378402592
disgust.jpg

>>378402778
Sorry but demoknighting is fun on valve servers and only on doublecross because of so many places to hide/run

>>378402207
Mercy can revive characters within a fairly generous radius of herself, you may as well bring that up too, for comparison's sake.

Also, Mercy can buff damage, which medic cannot do.

>>378402832
I'm disgusted with female versions not your demoknighting.

>>378402941
Well, CONSTANT damage boost. Kritzkrieg needs charge-up.

>>378402514
What we know for sure
>Pyro class pack
>New jungle themed maps
>elo system to replace current comp ranks

What people speculate about
>Heavy class pack together with pyro because it's taking so long

What should happen but probably won't
>Actual fix to pyro's flame particles

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>>378402592
Apathy. I care about new maps and new potential gameplay.

>>378403052
wish they move TF2 to the DOTA 2 engine

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>all these people going bonkers on a healer in a game that isnt that good and turning their backs on the one thats been there for you for all these years

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you know what to post. So do it.

>>378402514
it's supposedly going to be the biggest update so far, but I doubt it. It might be the biggest for the current tf2 team though.
>Pyro weapons and rebalances (including general balances)
>new campaign similar to the Gun Mettle update
>jungle map made by Valve
>casual/comp "fixes"
>new SFM short

>>378403420
it better nowt be anything engy related

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Really miss this game

>>378403285
To be fair, TF2 is mega shit now. Maybe not as bad as Overcuck but really really bad.

>>378402514
>10% faster movespeed while under phlog's effects
>man melter can now minicrit burning targets

thats all folks

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>>378401726
>tfw deleted my ~500 medal pretty much as soon as I got it just to shitpost about it on /v/ and drive people who wanted one and couldn't get one insane

>>378403903
Same, Just let it go man, Team Fortress will have it's golden years back someday

>>378404101
Prove it.

>>378400206
I will choose TF2 over OW anytime but I really like Mercy over Medic.

Is there a mod that lets you replace Medic model with Mercy?

>>378404101
>actually deleting it when they'd believe you without proof
Good job retard.

>>378404198
I assume. You'd need a server that doesn't use sv_pure though.

>>378404169
Lost literally all of my tf2 images (i had thousands rip) a long time ago on an old hard drive, but my medal was #506 and it isn't in my inventory anymore.

>>378404214
Still bringing the heat on lads like 10 years later, I love it.

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If you have the Platinum, Gold, even Silver metal then you are a TF2 OG who played TF2 back when it was truly an amazing multiplayer experience. Before hats and the mannconomy. Before F2P. We knew the golden years of TF2.

Modern TF2 is absolutely garbage

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>>378403841
Isn't at least one of the voice actors dead or something along those lines?

>>378401726
Mine was 400 something.

Soldier is bullshit and should be removed for the good of the game toBH.

I started playing again after a few years, left around the time updates became just adding hats. Is it me or is healing as Medic really not satisfying, like at all?

>>378405198
Unless you're on the mic giving orders, these people are just trash.

You're better off playing some other 6s class and FRAGGING

what servers are good to play?
i want to get back to playing it since my weekends are becoming too boring and i am not bothering to learn a skill

>>378404848
Soldier voice has throat cancer or something

>>378405198
>be soldier
>have medic on me, 100% kritz charge
>load up rockets, wait a good 15s
>goes away and we both die

>be medic
>healing demo
>he's about to go to the front line
>pop
>changes to melee

KILL ME

>>378405198
>Is it me or is healing as Medic really not satisfying, like at all?
It's very satisfying if you're using the Quick Fix or Vaccinator. Or rather, the old, good Quick Fix or Vaccinator. I still don't understand why they were nerfed, let alone as hard as they were. They were never as relevant as the stock Medigun.

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>>378405475
>be me
>play soldier, demo, or heavy
>team's stuck with thumbs in their asses, not pushing into mid
>go in
>med's on me
>guys show up
>kill one
>two more take his place
>med's dissapeared
>I get demolished by all of the other team
>they push through and destroy my team even though they're all there, meds and all

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>>378405475
>Meddic suddenly latches onto me with kritz JUST as I unloaded all of my ammo

>>378405501
I think playing Mercy has spoiled me, the range on her staff is much longer then on the medigun, I am not used to being that close to everyone and all the fighting.

>>378400316
Fucking kek

Overwatch doesn't have heal crits

small details like this are why overwatch fails.
becasue they don't understand why tf2 had small things like this or ammo packs. So they just casualize all of it and don't think of the reprecussions.

Wait, people still play TF2?

>>378402592
Insanity

>introduce 9 new models
>EVERY, SINGLE, HAT needs to be moved and you basically double the entire file size of tf2

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>>378404198
It's a good thing TF2 has mods.
>>378404848
No voice actors are dead. All of them are alive. They recorded voice lines for Meet your Match as recently as 2016. Don't spread misconceptions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArChK-OyIC8
the only one who didn't record voicelines for that update is Medic's voice actor, Robin Atkin Downes, and he streamed TF2 on Facebook at the beginning of this year.
All of them are alive and perfectly capable of speaking, Soldier's voice actor just has to talk a little more quietly now (and he can still yell when he needs to).

>>378406510
What the fuck is a 'heal crit'?

>>378406338
But Medic moves like twice as fast as Mercy. Being close to the action is no punishment when you've got superior evasion.

>>378405475
>kritz a demoknight
>he looks at me with utter disbelief and then runs in
>Kills the entire team
>wow thanks medic

>>378406510
I like TF2 better than Overwatch too, but what an asinine observation. The real benefits of TF2 over Overwatch is TF2's focus on being a real shooter with actual guns to switch through, and use in different situations. Not 1 gun per class. There may be only 9 classes, but there's way more nuance in how to use them. Where aim is more important than a skill hotbar you babysit.

>>378406703
heal rate changes based on how long you took damage. This allows medic to prioritize healing someone and then wait for the people that took damage. Then when the timer is up they can go heal the guy that is waiting instantly.

it's also ridiculously useful to balance out healing tanking all damage. One of the big problems I'd say overwatch has is the tanky ness of characters and this causing a death ball.

>>378402592
Robin Walker has already confirmed this is never ever happening. Female models would have to have different appearances than the regular classes, which means either changing the hitbox to match the new appearance (fucking with gameplay), or having the hitboxes not match the visuals (fucking with gameplay).

If you want to see tits and ass go watch porn or play a porn game, waifufaggotry does not belong in TF2

>>378406757
No I think it's a very important observation.

Overwatch is the guy that copied something, tried to switch out some things to make it "their own" and then had no idea why it failed.
While tf2 was made with the mentality of scratch adding and removing things with purpose.

Honestly listen to how the devs talk about how they design their game. They have very little know how, they honest to god guess and check.

>>378406729
Will have to play more Medic, but I dont think I noticed a big difference between their movement speeds. I will say though that Mercys fly dash thing makes her more mobile, and she has an actually usable secondary compared to the needle gun. Seriously, I cant hit shit with that thing even at close range.

>>378402592
amazed no one brought up dustyrose

>>378400271
All TF2 classes>their Overwatch counterparts

>>378406950
"Heal crits" though? If I was going to point at something OW copied and made shallow or uninteresting that wouldn't even make the list. Hell, after playing on a no random crit server for several months not having crits seems like a perfectly reasonable approach to the game.

>>378406969
I've soloed Arena matches with the crossbow before. Medic is anything but helpless. I honestly can't believe you can't detect the move speed difference between TF2 and Overwatch, though, OW is the most sluggish shit I've ever played outside mecha and horror shooters.

>high mobility in tf2
>you can take a short cut saving a few seconds and take alternate routes on a map

>high mobillity in overwatch
>you are everywhere and unable to be pinned down, requiring stun classes just to stop you from ruining the game

>>378400479
post lewds

>>378407142
>>you are everywhere and unable to be pinned down, requiring stun classes just to stop you from ruining the game
Soldier?

>>378407098
>Heal crits" though?
thats what the community calls them

>made shallow or uninteresting that wouldn't even make the list.

probably because no one really notices it, but it makes a big difference. Its just like crouch jumping or how different angles control your rocket jumps. Seems like a small detail but you can drastically change your speed and height with insane precision.

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>>378406950
Literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard in a game design interview was the Overwatch developers saying that they made the Gilbatrar cart bright and hard to look at to give the defenders an advantage.

That's not how you make a FUN game you dumb fucking SJW moba-publishing Candy Crush-playing gender studies majors.

>>378407287
the community calls them crit heals anon not heal crits

>>378407287
That's completely different. Of course physics of rocket jumping is a much bigger deal. These two issues are not remotely comparable.

>>378407114
Honestly it could be OW having smaller maps then TF2, but most of the characters I feel have similiar or even slightly faster movement speeds. The only one that comes to mind that doesnt is Tracer and Scout, with Scout being much faster then Tracer.

>>378407461
>blizzard should know the power of mods
>consoles are already disadvantaged thanks to controllers
>tfw no mapmaker for OW

>>378407431
>Of course physics of rocket jumping is a much bigger deal. These two issues are not remotely comparable.

how
it's a small detail making a big difference.
Medics keep track of multiple times and numbers to optimize their healing and triage, mercy just sits around healing everything and not thinking.

it's basically the equivalent of aiming vs auto aiming.

>>378407559
PHYSICS is not a small fucking detail. It's the core of the damn game.

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>>378401726

>>378407630
and healing and uber is a core of tf2.

>>378400271
Medic makes my heavy pussy wet

>>378406950
>then had no idea why it failed
OW is massively successful, though?

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>lets make 9 different classes with different ups and downs for varied gameplay
>also one of them should be able to do everything better than the other 8 exept healing
WHO thought soldier was not gonna be OP in the devteam? He can move faster than scout, and jump higher aswell. he has 200 hp and does massive splash damage. If he ever takes damage he can just jump for a medkit or medic since he is the fastest guy anyways

>>378407370
Got a link? I'd like to watch it later when I feel like getting upset at their stupidity.

Also, what are they getting at? I never once ever thought that it was "hard to look at"

>>378407723
>they have to tweak the numbers of everything every patch and basically give turns to heroes to be OP or UP

they haven't.

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>>378407553
There are niggers in the community who unironically defend no mods and even CALL PEOPLE WHO WANT MODS BAD: >>378406634


what the fuck is /v/ coming to when these casuals that eat anything Blizzard shits out walk among us?

>>378407731
Don't touch TFC then, medics are used as super scouts rather than medics

>>378407731
Hes balanced by maps.
valve seemed to forget this.

>>378407731
He can't simultaneously move fast and have 200hp unless there's a medic stuck in his rectum.

Is Highlander still a reasonably popular thing? I loved playing that as casual-competitive. Can't stand 6v6 and it's the "official" comp mode

>>378407731
I do not think that the original design team expected the classes would be used by the players as they did.

I'm talking of early vanilla Demo spawncamping or how Demo tends to be more used for offense rather than his designed defensive role.

>>378407731
Because "muh Quake heritage".

>>378407850
Sure he can.

Rocket jumper.

>>378407852
ugc had to cull some division or something but it's still a thing
sigafoo (hl engie player) is pushing 7v7 "prolander" with class limit 1 and weapon bans/saves moba style too atm

>>378407915
I always found that stupid and almost hard to believe.

they could have easily fixed that by making it impossible to blow up stickies in air.
and on top of that, demo waiting by corners or doors with sticky traps has to be the worst design choice ever.

>oh you walked in a room and got killed by stickies that you couldn't see
>ARE YOU HAVING FUN!?

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>>378407829
Super scouts who spread disease and suffering.*

>>378407731
Don't forget that his healing is probably still the third best in the game, with the Conch, and that he has the most usable sidegrades out of anyone, and is the only character who has never received an appreciable nerf despite being the strongest ever since stickies were made destructible and given the arm delay.

>>378407850
health kits

>all these new maps with medium health kits on every single corner

>>378407731
Demoman that can aim grenades>everything

>>378408056
just check the doors nigga
most pub demos are too impatient to do serious traps anyway, and all comp limits his black ass to 1 per team

>>378407776
Is it your first Blizzard game? They do it all the time.

And you're saying like Valve doesn't do that. If anything, they don't do they enough - people have been crying about Pyro being underpowered and broken for years!

>>378408071
That sounds fun
was it fun?

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>>378401390
>>378400271
TF2 Medic
>Overheal
>Stock medigun has ubercharge, making the heal target and you invulnerable for 8 seconds
>Kritzkrieg provides 100% crits for 8 seconds
>Quick-Fix provides quick healing along with 100% movement imparement immunity
>In pve mode, can ressurect a player

Mercy
>Can't overheal
>can only revive people making firefights last longer and more annoying
>probably heals niggers and jews in addition to chinks and lesbos

>>378408179
They don't and blizzard has been doing it to all their games for years. They can't balance shit nor do they probably want to intentionally.

>>378408179
nothing in tf2 has been mccree levels of broken or d.va levels of weak.

Pyro can still do things and shoot things and be a little sub par.

>>378408036
Might be interesting. I still have my UGC participant medal in my inventory. I'd like for the ability to open a HL lobby in the main menu and then have other players join in, marking down which classes they're willing to play and it auto-assigning them

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>>378408182
Very

>>378408171
>just check the doors nigga
Not for slidey doors and if the stickies are placed well you can't see them unless you get inside.

and the only way to react is if the demo is in sight before entering.

>>378407976
>remove primary
>get rid of soldier's main damage source, become a pick class
Even then, if your team is remotely good, that rocketjumper soldier is just going to be nothing but a pesky fly that will probably do 65 damage to your med before getting gunned down

>>378408346
>probably do 65 damage to your med before getting gunned down

MG and shotty does like 80 damage.

If a soldier flies in you're not going to deal 200 damage before he does 150.
Hes got the surprise attack and you trade against him 100 at most and hes killed your medic.

>>378408258
>They don't
>blizzard has been doing it to all their games for years
So they do or they don't?

This thread is giving me an itch. I haven't played TF2 since my PC that used to run it fine suddenly croaked to sub 60 FPS. WIth my new rig it should be better.

>>378408329
>open shutter from max distance
>demo dets stickies
>stuff his bottle up his ass

and if you open it and he DOESN'T det, you just have to look at him. is he suspiciously shooting nades at you? he probably has a trap. shooting stickies and blowing them up? no trap.

>>378407723
>OW is massively successful, though?
So why won't they publish ACTIVE player numbers (created accounts mean nothing) and why do players report increasingly longer queue times?
>>378407731
>>378407731
>>378407731
The only thing that's overpowered about Soldier is the Reserve Shooter, Escape Plan, and Disciplinary Action. Apart from those things he is a very balanced class.

Scout's mobility is totally free, he has endless double jumps and the fastest base movement speed in TF2. If Soldier wants to compete with that mobility he has to wear Gunboats, and wearing Gunboats makes Soldier lose to Scout in 1v1 fights.

>If he ever takes damage he can just jump for a medkit or medic since he is the fastest guy anyways

Which means leaving the point or cart. TF2 is an objective-focused game.

Soldier is high tier but isn't the most OP, unless he has his OP melee unlocks. The title of most OP class goes to Medic.

>>378408571
newest update has made tf2 the most broken it's ever been.

still fun though, play it a ton.
but holy fuck theres a hacker ever 3 games

>>378406950
>and then had no idea why it failed
I love people like you living in your own little world.
It's kinda cute sometimes.

>>378408183
>Not healing Demo and giving him kritz
Its like you dont wanna buff the guy with 2 primary's

>>378408624
What are Overwatch queue times like anyway? Because in TF2 I never wait more than 30 seconds nowadays. Granted, I have 30-ish maps selected, but still.

>>378400479
No, a full server is

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IT'S NOT FAIR

>>378408616
>open shutter from max distance

you have to basically check every shutter for sticky traps. what you are basically implying is that you know the demo man was laying down traps prior, likely exploded you when you walked through the first time.

And really think about how horrible that would be to play like that constantly. I can see checking corners and being ready every room, but having to walk in and out every door way is horrible.

Also don't know how many rooms you know of but it's very rare for the demo to have to be forced to stand right in view from the door way, he can usually stand behind the wall.

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>>378408721
>Because in TF2 I never wait more than 30 seconds nowadays. Granted, I have 30-ish maps selected, but still.
I know what you mean, I have 40 maps selected and rarely have to wait longer than 10 seconds to find a game.

>>378408760
>you can shove people away to lower the damage! you deal

Fan does that better and you still load 100+ damage into them.
that and you can shoot them again so they fly even farther.
Fuck

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>>378404742
>play on console for the first year of tf2
>tfw filthy bronzey

>>378408462
By 65 damage, I mean the med's going to move out of the way, he'll land, and do 65 damage since he's no longer in the air and can't crit
>whips out shotgun
Sorry, I shot two rockets at your feet, you couldn't move, and did 200+ damage

>>378408760
What the fuck were they even thinking? It was perfectly balanced (maybe even slightly underpowered) before they fucked it all up.

Same with the set bonuses.

>>378408918
Set bonuses had to go. Not being able to equip the guns you want for a minor bonus is stupid. Needing to own a particular fucking hat and have it equipped for a bonus is even fucking stupider.

>>378408918
Oh right. I have to remember that I can't scoot about as a Pyro as I used to.

>>378408914
>rocket jump onto medic
>while mid air I switch to shot gun
>airstrafe so I land on medic
>meat shot 80 damage

>you can now react
>I just need 70 damage to kill the medic
>I have under 200 hp
>roughly 2 or more rockets of health
>you might have not even fucking seen me land on him

>>378408462
Anon not him but you really have to stop being retarded.
Market Gardener works 0.1% of the time against people who aren't wearing a Gibus.
Shotgun Soldier is an objective downgrade to rockets soldier.

>If a soldier flies in you're not going to deal 200 damage before he does 150
A soldier flying in with Rocket Jumper and Shotgun is going to take 40-60 fall damage. You don't have to do 200 to him.
>Hes got the surprise attack and you trade against him 100 at most and hes killed your medic.
So why aren't HL and 6s players using this strategy 24/7 then? Rocket Jumper isn't banned, neither is Market Gardener, and they like to win. I'll tell you why: Because it doesn't work.


Assuming you're not baiting (if you are kill yourself) you don't know what you're talking about, so just stop.

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>that one great match in the day where both teams are equally balanced and both totally stacked with great players

>>378407198
Soldier actually kills himself with his mobillity, also when he jumps he has to shoot one of his rockets wich he could use to shoot you.

>>378409013
The speed bonus now belongs completely to the power jack. So yeah, you still can scoot. Just not with your flamethrower out.

>>378409058
because it's not reliable obviously, but hes saying in "remotely good" players

I'm not expecting HL or 6s.

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>>378409036
this is the most retarded theorycrafting i've ever seen
show me someone actually doing this in a 2017 competitive environment or fuck off, I'm calling out this bait

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>>378404848
throat cancer. I think he just cant do the screams anymore. He can still do the voice judging by expiration date.

>>378409172
>show me someone actually doing this in a 2017 competitive environment or fuck off, I'm calling out this bait

>implying we're talking about competitive
>being so shit at rocket jumping that you can't do this

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>>378409201
>I think he just cant do the screams anymore
see >>378406634 and listen to the video

itt: soldier isn't OP

>>378409253
Any medic not some fresh meat on a pub will squirm and constantly be in motion even if he has nowhere to go. Saying you can reliably land on his head is pretty fuckin dumb.

>>378409332
landing on his head or landing within meat shot range.

Head was just an extreme, and yes you can land on their head pretty easilly.

The first shot is basically a guaranteed meat shot anon I'm telling you. I don't even consider this viable I'm just saying it works.

>>378408721
Horrible. In TF2 I can queue into a full server at 4am in an LAX server (my region) in 30 seconds (like I did several times last night). In Overwatch I regularly wait 3 minutes during primetime, then when it finally "starts" it's really waiting for players and nobody connects (unlike TF2 waiting for players where they all connect within 30 seconds) and then it makes me requeue.

>>378409201
God that's sad. I hope he goes into remission, he does a great job as the Soldier voice actor.

>>378409479
To be fair, TF2 is filled with F2P kiddies who literally have nothing better to play while OW is behind a paywall. With OW it really depends on what time of day you decide to queue.

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>>378409479
I will say this: Queueing up for servers in your area in TF2 doesn't take an eternity as it does in Overwatch

>wait 3 minutes
>Connecting
>disconnect to main menu
>Error occurred, please retry connection
Honestly glad I came back to TF2.
The gameplay's smoother, more fluid, since it's a 12v12 format, and the characters all have their own strengths and weaknesses, you can solo carry in a pub match, unlike OW where you have to play nice or suffer penalties.

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>>378401726

>>378409479
You wait three mins to get a game in ow? lmao! You are fucking liar! the most ive ever waited is just over a min and thats me playing at very antisocial hours.

>>378410170
reddit is more your place you underage retard

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>>378408760
Fuck you. This gun was far more innocent than that gun, it didn't deserve that fucking nerf

>>378410342
never not be mad.

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>>378410342

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>>378401726
The belt is a reference to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqyaib2Olzw

A crap, apparently I have not played this since Gun Mettle 2015.

I do have some skins... I guess I could try to turn them into something.

>new valve on nerfing
>it has a mild bonus over the stock weapon
>how do we fix it?
>I KNOW! We'll nerf it with a weakness that affects the player 100% of the time while the bonus is just a fucking joke

>>378410827
I hate weapons that are just +random bonus -random negative effect. It's so fucking lazy when it comes to weapon design.

We should've gotten more weapons like the flare gun that are completely different but still fill a similar role.

>>378408268
>mccree levels of broken or d.va levels of weak
what cruel irony nowadays

>>378410971
I feel you, the uber update was awful, only a few things like the BFB were fun to use and now they ruined it.

Like valve, you're basically doing what all the other servers are doing with custom weapons.

>>378410971
tf2 source engine is crap. Any new code added will break some other mechanic (like demoman's bottle never breaking).This is why updates take so fucking long.

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so, I've been away from tf2 for 5-6 years now, and I remember trying to mod it so you can't see hats. The thing didn't work too well and I could still see plenty of hats. Does anyone have a link for this mod that works properly? Bought Overwatch in august and I stopped playing in november. Man, it did not fill that void at all.

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>>378408298
My fucking ass still clenches when I see that fuck

>>378411314
M8, if you didn't like hats, why would you like a game that was full of customization from the getgo?

>>378409308
Stock Soldier isn't OP.
Escape Plan, Disciplinary Action and Reserve Shooter are though.
>>378409253
"I can kill people with the Sun-On-A-Stick in pubs therefore the Soas is overpowered!!!!!!!!!!!!"
This is how fucking dumb you sound

>>378411398
I liked when the hats were few and kind of cute. I hate unusual effects and all that shit. I'm not even judgin you if you like that stuff, I don't really care. I just want to play without getting eye cancer

>>378409725
>while OW is behind a paywall
That doesn't make the community any less horrible lmao

>>378411489
>"I can kill people with the Sun-On-A-Stick in pubs therefore the Soas is overpowered!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>This is how fucking dumb you sound

did I ever say OP
and even implying sun on the stick is the same as rocketjumper is retarded. it's more like charge n targe. Not better but it can still kill shit.

>>378411530
http://www.teamfortress.tv/35222/no-hats-mod

>>378410342
>soldier ANYTHING
>not deserving a nerf

Fuck off. You don't even know what a nerf is you spoilt brat.

How will you celebrate 10 years of TF2?

>>378411615
.t angry faggot who cant kill a soldier

>>378411615
thats like saying
>we better revert the axesting change because pyro is UP

>>378411615
Stop playing useless classes then, boy.

>>378411598
>did I ever say OP
holy shit how retarded can you be
you're a part of this >>378407731 idiot
if you don't want to be mistaken for the other guy's argument then tell us. we can't read minds faggot

>>378411663
I did, I uninstalled two years ago.

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where we fucking at?

i havent played in ages, are there vanilla type server with old balancer and stock guns or something?

>>378411723
>arguement is that he can't move at 200 hp
>rocketjumper
>yeah but the rocketjumper is useless
>no it's not
Then heres you
>LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT ARGUING THE ROCKET JUMPER IS OP

>>378411615
what needs a nerf or buff is based on whether
>it literally breaks the game
>it's stronger or weaker than the majority of other things in TF2
the point of game balance is to make everything equally viable.

Some people make the mistake of thinking that things should be nerfed because they're powerful, but power is relative. If 3 classes are shit-tier and 6 classes are high-tier, you buff the 3 shit classes rather than nerfing the 6 strong classes, because it's less effort.

>>378411848
from the very beginning he was saying Soldier is OP you FUCKING MORON

>>378411929
BUT THEN THE ARGUEMENT CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE YOU NINCOMPOOP

DO YOU ATTACH EVERY ARGUEMENT WHEN CONVERSATIONS CHANGE?

>>378411973
>BUT THEN THE ARGUEMENT CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE YOU NINCOMPOOP
AND THERE WAS NO INDICATION THAT YOU WEREN'T THE SAME GUY YOU DISGUSTING SUBHUMAN KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF DO IT RIGHT NOW DRINK THE FUCKING BLEACH NIGGER

>>378412034
THE INDICATION IS THE FACT THE RESPONSE AND CONTEXT IS DIFFERENT, DO YOU THINK I THINK YOU'RE THE SAME AS THE GUY THAT RESPONDED TO THE FIRST PERSON?

HOW COULD I DO THAT, YOU COULD BE LITTERALLY ANYONE THAT RESPONDED.

One of the things I loved about TF2 that OW fucked up was playing engineer.

There's something supremely comfy about setting up a nest near the front lines.

OW will never have that because they split the teleporter and turret between two characters. On top of that nobody fears Torbs turret.

>>378412624
>There's something supremely comfy about setting up a nest near the front lines.
you mean setting up in the intel of 2fort for hours till end.

>>378412624
Making Torb as useful as Engie would make OW even more of a chokepoint fest so I'm glad he's not that powerful.

>>378412103
YOU ARE THE SINGLE MOST RETARDED I HAVE EVER MET

>>378412660
The last point on the third stage of Dustbowl as attack for me.

>>378412660
Well the 2fort intel has comfy sound effects. Love that near peace and quiet but not total silence. The nest's real purpose isn't to protect the intel, but to kill people trying to cause a ruckus in there.

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any updates since november?
i'm guessing nhats

>>378417248
we had the Christmas update with taunts, weapon skins, and bugfixes. but yeah no game stuff until Pyro Update.

>>378417248
Yeah rainy day crates were released like a week ago.

I actually like most of the cosmetics in it

Valve killed it to me with casual matchmaking replacing old Valve pubs. Just uninstalled tit after queues and unbalanced matches pretty much became the norm for me, I only play 5CP. Also no community servers to pick up the slack.

Didn't Valve do this matchmaking retardation to copy or compete against Overwatch? Because it absolutely ruined pubs. So in order to try and stay trendy with the kids they killed their own game, just lol at Valve.

>>378418789
>Didn't Valve do this matchmaking retardation to copy or compete against Overwatch

I think they did it to appease the comp crowd who seem to hate official comp too. At least they removed abandon penalty's from casual.

>>378405198
Never play medic without someone competent to pocket. I check scoreboard first and see who's at the top. If its all support classes you're wasting your time.

On the other hand medic is a lot of fun when you have a good pocket. Vaccinator and kritz especially, really satisfying to see 6 kills pop up on your screen from one rocket.

>>378407731
>soldier is op!!
>t. shitter with the movement skills of a potato

>>378400479
I hope so

I miss old caber

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Hi, I'm a """stealth""" class with 500 effective HP!

>>378402592
If they have their own distinct nationalities and personalities, yeah.

But Valve won't do that. They said they thought about that, but that would require redoing hitboxes, and it could cause preferences and so on.

>>378421226
I seriously think some people are abusing the shit out of this thing, they constantly trigger it without any ammo packs being nearby.

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>>378421057
You know, I've been the guy complaining about the nerf of this for a while based on the fact the nerf was completely pointless, fixed nothing, and only prevented me from teleporting places with this useless gun. It's been my most hated nerf for a long time.

But this one, I've grown to be far more furious over. At least the Jumper can still be used the way it used to, although not as well. What the fuck were they thinking when they nerfed the caber? Who in their right mind actually said "You know that weapon that is completely fucking pointless because it instantly kills you and any low health class and can easily be dodged?" "We need to do something about that, that's way too OP, make it so it instantly kills you and doesn't kill anything else. Not even a sniper standing completely still. This will improve TF2 by far."

>>378421226
dr spies who don't play stealthily accomplish literally nothing. You could be complaining about actually relevant things

>>378421414
Just spam l'etranger from afar and you're back to full, who needs ammo packs.

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>>378421472
>"We need to do something about that, that's way too OP, make it so it instantly kills you and doesn't kill anything else."
yes anon that's totally what they did

>>378421489
>DR and L'Etranger spy
Could you be any more fucking useless?
>"hahaha u cant kill me guize"
>running around unkillable and invisible repeatedly
>meanwhile the other team ignores you and actually captures points

>>378421562
Thanks for agreeing with me. Better be careful with how you wrote that though, some people could think you're being sarcastic.

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>>378421669
Ullapool caber is only very slightly underpowered after the balance changes, and you are overreacting. They only need to give it a tiny buff and it'll be perfect.

Unlike you, I don't take buffs or nerfs personally. I understand that whether a weapon is too weak or strong depends on the context of every other weapon in the game. Right now, Caber is very close to the central point of balance for everything else in TF2.

>>378422103
You're right, it's an excellent weapon to kill Medics and Snipers who stubbed their toes. It was way too unbalanced before.

>>378422238
Thanks for agreeing with me. Better be careful with how you wrote that though, some people could think you're being sarcastic.

>>378421472
>You know that weapon that is completely fucking pointless because it instantly kills you and any low health class and can easily be dodged?
Except you can use it with the stickyjumper to go stupidly fast with minimal effort and fly into the medic for a free pick. I'm not against demo trolling snipers but being able to one shot medics just by hitting the ground near them was retarded.

Demo is supposed to be vulnerable at close range and caber goes against that. That's why it got nerfed.

>>378402592
STOP CATERING TO THE SJWS REEEEE

>>378422505
Finally some sense. Caber is pretty much fine now. It only needs a small buff.
Demo is one of the best classes in the game, he didn't need a straight upgrade to his stock Bottle. People who are buttmad about the nerf need to understand the concept of other people existing in TF2.

>>378421485
Wrong, they make chasing them and killing them for real take more effort than it is to use the DR as a shield, what most spies do.

>>378422695
>chasing them and killing them for real
Did I not explicitly spell it out enough for you?
Team Fortress is an O B J E C T I V E - B A S E D game.
If you are chasing around Spies for kills you're wasting your fucking time. Just cap/ defend the fucking O B J E C T I V E while he fucks around invisible, and the Spy will lose and you'll win.

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>>378422505
What the fuck? What do expect to do after you kill the medic? Do you think any sensible person heal buddy isn't going to just turn around and instakill you?

We already have classes that instantly kill medic and sniper. All you have to do is make sure to look up every once in a while, walk a few steps away from the landing zone, and watch him get blown away. Don't give me some half assed excuse like "he's going to lay down two stickies before some clicks him once".

Any decent Spy not only instantly kills your medic in the same way, but a shit ton of your other teammates as well given the chance. Sniper fucking does that and doesn't even need to get away. At most, you're gonna have to worry about a tele entrance and Spy already kills that shit better.

>>378422882
>Do you think any sensible person heal buddy isn't going to just turn around and instakill you?
who cares retard
you just killed a fucking medic. your team now wins the fight for free, dumbass.

>>378422465
I guess you can have fun killing the most absolutely braindead F2P Snipers who refuse to stop scoping. There's actually a metric shit ton of those. They don't even need to stub their toes.

>>378422865
and spies killing your medics and others are supposed to make completing your O B J E C T I V E S harder, you seem to conveniently ignore that deathmatching is part of the TF2 formula, kill people -> do objectives rinse and repeat

Yeah, don't chase spies, your medic is not important at all! Just trust nobody is gonna get stabbed, just have tunnel vision for your control point or so, everything is gonna be fine.

A spy using the IW or the CnD is in all kinds of trouble if he's caught, need to move away cloaked well or else people will figure him out and kill him, while a DR spy has a near godmode crutch to save him from his fuck ups. It was supposed to be a feign death mechanic, yet most use it as a straight shield to make up for their lack of subtlety.

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>>378423135
>and spies killing your medics and others
What's the Spy going to kill your Medic with?
His L'Etranger?
His Knife when thanks to DR he can't even turn directly invisible at will, and is forced to approach the Medic in disguise only, which fools literally nobody??

>while a DR spy has a near godmode crutch to save him from his fuck ups
*Make him completely fucking useless on the battlefield.
Dead Ringer is the only Watch that doesn't ever get used in competitive TF2.

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>>378423005
Well, if that's what counts as OP as fuck in then we may as well just throw the posts whine about Soldier in the garbage. Solly we're fooling themselves thinking they stood some sort of chance.

This here is why people say Spy and Snoipah are MVC all the time and you need to start dumping more players into them all the time in these threads.

>>378423064
could you whine any harder
man up and accept the nerf
i'm still killing people with ullapool caber. it's a melee weapon on a class whose weakness is close range. it's not meant to be a replacement for your primary weapon.

>>378423580
Amazing grammar, I literally couldn't understand a single thing you said. Go back to /bant/, HUE monkey.

>>378423580
good proof reading me,
>Well, if that's what counts as OP as fuck in these threads then we may as well just throw the posts whining about Soldier in the garbage. Sollys were fooling themselves thinking they stood some sort of chance.

>This here is why people say Spy and Snoipah are MVC all the time and you need to start dumping more players into them in these threads.

>>378409201
That actually wasn't him. It was Nolan North in Expiration Date

>>378423718
Still makes zero sense. Rephrase your point entirely so I can tell you why you're wrong.

>>378423483
You're proposing people to ignore spies roaming around, so he gets out of DR effect, walks up to his medic and the team follows your wonderful advice of ignoring spies, and the medic is dead. Top notch advice, mr Spy who doesn't want anyone to protect their medics and team mates.

I'm not talking strictly about competitive I'm talking overall the DR makes it easier for the Spy to get away with being obviously a Spy, instead of being a tool to pretend death.

>>378423635
You're goddamn right it's not meant to be a replacement for your primary weapon. It's a fucking meme weapon that shouldn't be nerfed. Nobody takes the caber or jumper seriously. You may as well say the Pan is viable too. You're better off using the Pan actually. The caber is meant to be for fun, and nerfing it nerfs the fun you can have with it.

>>378423813
What you said can be applied to any decent Spy or Sniper since they can instantly kill Medics as well and get away/avoid the backlash of being behind enemy lines. The funny part about this is that nobody thinks Sniper and Spy are completely useless. Caber demos are like discount spies. They're a fucking meme class. A joke.

>>378424146
*The funny part about this is that everybody thinks Sniper and Spy are completely useless
Jesus Christ, I think I need to go back to sleep instead of shitposting here. Didn't get my 8 hours in. Sorry anon.

>>378423956
>Nobody takes the caber or jumper seriously
Except they did, and that's why it got nerfed. Grow up and take the nerf like an adult, like I did. Accept the fact that Demoman is a strong class whose main balancing weakness is close range, and didn't need a close-range instakill on light classes in addition to that.

Ullapool Caber only needs a small buff and it'll be fine.

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>>378424331
>Except they did
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Caber Bullying Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Landing Zone Like Nigga Open Your Eyes Haha
PLEASE for the love of god stop pretending discount spy is viable to anyone who wasn't already expecting a rocket jumpings Solly. I mean, I guess I can take making a useless weapon more useless, but for real nigga, don't say shit like that.

>>378424146
>What you said can be applied to any decent Spy or Sniper since they can instantly kill Medics as well and get away/avoid the backlash of being behind enemy lines
There are many things you can do to counter these two, where as not even sentries are fast enough to track sticky jumper demos and you can cover so much ground in a single jump anywhere that isn't a building isn't safe. Having to worry about a demo kamikazing your medic at any second is fucking idiotic and doesn't add anything to the game. It takes no effort whatsoever to do but can completely turn the tide of a game if you manage to pull it off. It's not like sniper who has to push deep into enemy territory to get the sightline he needs to kill the medic and then land a headshot on a target jumping all over the place or spy who has to get behind him without being lit on fire or hit by a stray bullet and then kill him before anyone notices there's a scout who just appeared out of nowhere bee lining for the medic.

>>378401836
Yeah we know, and they don't even care that much about dota anyway, that's why most of the money they get for it they keep it.

>>378407731
a good sniper rapes soldier

>>378424878
>PLEASE for the love of god stop pretending discount spy
If you wanted to play an instakill melee class then literally just play spy instead of explosives man, anon
it was never "useless", you're exaggerating and need to take the nerf like an adult

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*misses backstab*
*pulls out ringer*
pssshhhhhhh

>>378406729
Comparing movement speeds between games is retarded but Medic only moves slightly faster than the base speed shared by engineer, sniper, and pyro.

>>378425092
So great, he can kill your medic who wasn't paying attention. So what do you do if I do the same shit with pipes or rockets?

tf3 when?

>>378426715
Also please stop playing wide open maps with zero buildings to go inside of.

Lmao no, game is a billion years old and looks like garbage. Overwatch looks better, has better characters and takes more skill, sorry this is just objective truth.

>>378426935
Last thing I don't understand
>Any year
>Not having a medic on your medic
It's like you want to lose

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>>378426715
>So what do you do if I do the same shit with pipes or rockets?
Surf away. In either scenario they have to hit me with 2 direct hits to kill me which is extremely difficult to pull off where as caber can 1 shot me with splash damage. Not to mention that without jumper weapons it costs a shitload of health to move at the same speed and just fall damage alone can be enough to kill you.

>>378426935
Wide open maps are vastly better in every way, maps with lots of chokes like junction and dustbowl are the worst maps in the game.

>>378408056
>they could have easily fixed that by making it impossible to blow up stickies in air.

>they nerf sticky launcher
>demo players cry so hard, they unnerf it in less than a month
>then afterward introduce an specialized air detonation sticky launcher

>>378427079
tf2 still looks way better than overwatch though

>better characters
>more skill
lmao

>>378402592
AT LEAST I CAN PLAY FEMSCOUT WITHOUT MODS

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>>378417248
this happened

>>378402191
>dirty bomb
Nice dying game

>>378407731
>also one of them should be able to do everything better than the other 8 exept healing
>soldier
You mean the sniper, right?

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>>378407915
>I do not think that the original design team expected the classes would be used by the players as they did.
WRONG WRONG ABSOLUTELY FUCKING WRONG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UiVtTR4aMY&t=2m33s

>>378427575
id pretty much say its officially dead in europe and australia at this point. doesn't it have sub 1000 players?

>>378427307
What maps is he viable on? There seems to be an exact set of circumstances where this shit keeps happening to you. In Badlands, the Final Destination of TF2, the last point he's pointless, the second point is where he's most viable to pull this shit, but there's a really small area to do it in, and in the center point he could probably pull it off, but he'd have to do it from very key locations.

I assume you're thinking about pl_badwater right?

I've been playing TF2 for 11 years, at every level from the bottom of a pub server to the top of ESEA-im. I tried out OW during the free weekend and actually had a little fun, won't be buying it, though.

TF2 for gameplay, OW for waifus and fappan. No reason we can't all get along.

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>>378427687
>posts funke video as proof
Anon I'm not him but just to weigh in here: Funke is not a developer, he is not an incontrovertible expert on TF2 classes, and that video shouldn't be taken as gospel on anything. "Generalist" and "specialist" were words taken out of context from a Robin Walker interview and twisted to mean something entirely else.

The entire field of TF2 class balance referring to how Valve intended classes to be played vs. how they are played is a lot more complicated than what that video puts across in meme format.

However, that guy's argument that Demo "tends to be more used for offense rather than his designated defensive role" is very wrong, but the FUNKe video isn't quite right either.

Again, not him.

>>378427805
>In Badlands, the Final Destination of TF2
that's a bit unfair, badlands is a lot more interesting than final destination
>>378427849
>OW for waifus
i mean, like you said, you don't need to buy or even touch the game for that part though. any OW porn you want, you can get through SFM animations without ever installing OW.

>>378428123
Fine, Battlefield of TF2

>>378428123
OW is actually the first game I tried out BECAUSE of the porn

I've played pocket in ESEA for half a decade, so I tried out Pharah first. Feels like shit compared to a soldier in tf2. Her sfm stuff is the hottest shit I've ever seen, though.

>>378427753
Nah man. I was recently playing on European servers and didn't had much trouble with finding games. Game wasn't much fun tho. Especially with all fucking Proxies running around.

>>378427805
>In Badlands, the Final Destination of TF2, the last point he's pointless, the second point is where he's most viable to pull this shit, but there's a really small area to do it in
What the actual fuck am I reading, you can cross from your battlements all the way to their second in a single string of jumps. That is 90% of the map right there.

>>378428008
>Anon I'm not him but just to weigh in here: Funke is not a developer, he is not an incontrovertible expert on TF2 classes, and that video shouldn't be taken as gospel on anything
He's playing clips from the developer commentary and valve interviews you fucking retard.

>"Generalist" and "specialist" were words taken out of context from a Robin Walker interview and twisted to mean something entirely else.
Robin walker the head developer of TF2 is talking about class balance in an interview specifically about TF2 how the fuck is that out of context?

>>378428427
Sounds like your problem is with the Sticky Jumper and not the caber then m8. Honestly we could have saved ourselves some time and said fuck the jumper.

>>378427753
Yeah it's dying everywhere. In North America I think it has like 3000 players, not sure, but I know that it's losing people every day. I stopped playing a while ago because spawn camping and just general balance was so irritating

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>>378428427
Holy fuck calm down. No need to have an autistic shitfit over a game.
>He's playing clips from the developer commentary and valve interviews you fucking retard
He's also making various statements on stuff that the community has determined for balance, rather than stuff that's actually correct in the context of the entire class balance paradigm. I don't want to go into all of it right now, I'm just saying that video isn't the be all, end all of what Valve had planned for the classes vs. how they turned out. Calm down.

>>378409262
o shit could this explain why soldier sounds suspiciously like Nolan North that one part where the soldier screams "I TELEPORTED BREAD" in Expiration Date at 12:25

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>>378428634
>Holy fuck calm down. No need to have an autistic shitfit over a game.

>soldier and demo are op wtf valve they shouldn't be allowed to be this versatile nerf now!!!1
>except they were designed that way from the very beginning
>oh shit I got btfo better backpedal and pretend I don't care xdd
Stop posting.

>He's also making various statements on stuff that the community has determined for balance
Which is why there's the developer commentary showing what they specifically had in mind before the game even came out.

>>378402592
I'll ditch Overwatch in a heart beat and go back to TF2

In fact the only reason I stopped playing it was because the hats made my 2hu mods look like shit

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>>378429042
>>soldier and demo are op wtf valve they shouldn't be allowed to be this versatile nerf now!!!1

Nigger I already told you. I'm not him, and his argument about Demo was wrong.

I'm someone else coming in to tell you that FUNKe's video is incorrect and presents the issue over simplistically, and takes many sections of the dev commentary and that one Robin Walker interview out of the broader context in which the devs spoke of them in.

>>378408760
anyone else have the Tanks Destroyed strange part on this? this thing is insane with max upgrades

>>378429469
>and takes many sections of the dev commentary and that one Robin Walker interview out of the broader context in which the devs spoke of them in.
There is nothing else in the dev commentary that contradicts those statements.

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>>378402592
basically this >>378403204
but I would give bonus points if they had at least comparable level of banter

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>>378430038
You're still not getting it so I'm going to have to explain at length.

FUNKe posits the whole "generalist-specialist divide" as if it were an enforced policy of Valve based on 5 seconds' worth of interview out of an hour's worth total three-part interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ0kR03SjYg
Valve never intended any specific classes to be "specialists". EVERY Team Fortress 2 class is a specialist, even Soldier (who specializes in sustained air mobility and on-demand splash with no delay).

Even from that sound bite alone, you can tell Robin Walker is not condoning the "generalist" and "specialist" model the 6v6 community puts forward. He explicitly says it's difficult to balance-- it's a situation they don't want existing where 5/9 classes are rarely used. They want to get rid of that situation.
When Robin Walker says "generalist", he means that the class is useful in a wide variety of situations leading to it becoming overpowered. He's not saying that the class is DESIGNED to always be ran.
Here is what I mean by context:
http://www.teamfortress.tv/8952/?page=1
Valve doesn't approve of the 6s format. Robin Walker, progenitor of Team Fortress, personally finds it boring. Not that I don't like 6s, but the way it turned out was not Valve's vision.

TLDR: "Generalist" and "Specialist" is not a thing that Valve wants to exist, it's not a thing they designed TF2 around (every class is meant to be both generally useful on both offense and defense AND specialize in a particular form of combat, while 6s players, with an out of context interview, confused this with "generalist means viable and specialist means pick/defense"). FUNKe presents this worldview as the philosophy Valve had in the creation of TF2, but as I've shown in context, it isn't true.

Valve never wanted for there to be "specialist offclasses", and they fundamentally dislike the stagnant state that 6s solidified into and has remained almost unchanged in for 7 years straight.

>>378430904
>invincible while phlog taunting

When did this get added? What a fucking retarded change.

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>>378400206
>TF2 shills till hasn't jumped ship, even though said ship rests on the sea floor.

What could Valve have done differently to prevent Overwatch becoming so popular?

>>378431729
Making a good game

>>378431632
being invincible was actually a stealth nerf, since splash damage taken during the Pyro taunt used to allow you to immediately finish the taunt, as well as capture points while under massive damage resistance. Someone hitting you with a rocket during MMMPH would cut the taunt time down to 0 seconds and burn everyone in front of you, but with the Uber change now it gives people time to run, and means you can't capture points while taunting, removing the only reason to use Phlog in comp.

they also removed the heal on taunt and increased the charge requirement, so it's an even more underpowered weapon now.

>>378431729
Release TF3 at the same time and make all hats and cosmetic items transfer over.

>>378431729
Tear down billboards because extreme amounts of public advertising is 90% of the reason Overwatch ever became popular in the first place.

do you guys play on community servers or actually use the matchmaking thing ? I hate that thing so much, it ruined the game for me

>>378431704
so should I go to casualwatch?

>>378432075
Both, I love Matchmaking and I love my community servers. Makes things so much easier to group up with friends and find a game

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>bought the game 6 years ago and played ever since
>i share the same disgusting bronze badge with clueless retards with gibuses who started playing 2 months ago
this is fucking bullshit dude

>>378432075
What's so bad about the matchmaking?

>>378432118
I mean, i won't tell you what to do. Both games are kinda shit. If i were you i'd stop spending my time playing bad games and shitposting on /v/ and doing something with your life.

My new favorite thing to do is to go Engineer on Mannpower servers, which generally pisses everyone off because they're all unorganized scrubs who can't destroy a single sentry. This is especially true on Hellfire if you build in the vents above the exit from the enemy base. I had a chat log from two days ago that looked like:

"BLU KICK ENGI"
"BLU YOUR ENGI IS BALLS DEEP IN OUR BASE"
"KICK ENGI KICK ENGI"

The only thing that pisses people off more is using Agility to cap the intel, since no one wants to go Engineer and actually defend because they're all too busy going pyro and trying to farm kills.

>>378432075
I only like to play some 5cp maps, went on Valve pubs and sometimes on community servers, lately the casual matchmaking gives me queues, matches are not balanced in the least, and the community servers are fucking dead.

I just uninstalled, I don't have fun any longer in the game after the Meet Your Match update. There was NOTHING wrong with pubs before it, nada, zero problems with it. Leave it to Valve to turn something that just worked before into a fucking retarded abomination.

>>378432118
the guy you're replying to posts in every TF2 thread calling everyone "Reddit" and calling both TF2 and Overwatch shit. He's become very predictable and actually ban evades to keep posting. Try to ignore him

>>378432064
The reason OW became popular is as following:

A: Mass appeal. Blizzard went out of their way to pander to sentient being on the planet.

B: Easy to play. A handicapped retarded chimp can play OW.

C: Strong marketing along side the Blizzard brand name.


Marketing alone did not make OW popular. Word of mouth and the above mentioned reasons are the reason for OW's success.

>>378432892
I like to feign that the enemy's top scoring player has sent me a racist message via Steam and ask them to kick him for racism. Half the time it works.

>>378423734
Nolan North did Engy, not Soldier.

>>378432657
>join a server 3 seconds later my team loses
>2nd round: get steamrolled because 70% of my team left because they lost and autobalance doesnt exist
or
>want to play koth so i set only koth maps
>just when im about to join the server it changes map to some gay ass payload map

>>378404848
Demoman's VA can't do Demo any more. He can do an angry Scot, but it's not the same angry Scot.
Pyro's newer lines just don't sound right since Valve must've forgotten what sort of editing they did on the initial batch.
Soldier is probably the most consistent despite the unsupported rumors of throat cancer that people started shitting out when ED hit.

>>378433109

Oh, that's nothing. I got half the enemy team in Mannpower to quit the game yesterday. It went like this:

Idiot: "HOW I GRAPPLE?"

Me: "Oh, that's simple. Your game is in 'ground control' mode right now, you need to switch it to 'air control' to use grapple."

Me: "To do this, you type in 'exit ground control' in console"

It took a little explaining about how to access the console, but once I did I had six people fall for it and quit the game.

>>378400316
Soldiers are the whiniest babies, especially the tryhard ones.

>>378433469
Gary Schwartz does Demo and Heavy. Heavy's portrayal has also changed a bit. Dude's old, he's been doing stuff since the 70s.

>>378433452
And how is that any different than doing that with community servers?

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>>378433653
fucking kek
>>378433692
Fun fact:
Scout's voice actor was in Left 4 Dead as the church guy, Medic's voice actor was in Fallout: New Vegas as the super mutants, and Engineer's voice actor was in Star Fox Assault as Wolf O'Donnell.

>>378433736
Community servers scrambled teams every once in a while and autobalanced instead of asking for volunteers.

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Can anyone explain to me why competitive TF2 isn't 9v9 each team has one of each class?
Also are they finally gonna give the pyro airblast jumps because that shit would be fucking wild

>>378408886
I got fucked out of the silver medal too
>join date: November 28th, 2008

And now I'm lumped with every filthy bronzie thereafter. At least I have my collection of Vintage Jarates

>>378434068
duhtuhnuhtur "jump"
fart your way an extra 6 inches across that gap

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>>378434068
>Can anyone explain to me why competitive TF2 isn't 9v9 each team has one of each class?
Because the more players there are, the harder it is to organize a match, and the longer queue times get.
And that becomes doubly more difficult when you have to wait for specific class mains to join.
For example, both 9v9 teams waiting for the last Medic to join who is in their country and at their skill level for the game to begin.

As you can imagine, there are maybe 4 Medic mains of high skill level in Australia at any one time. So that would mean you could only play 2 competitive games at a time.

That's why instead comp TF2 Matchmaking uses 6v6 without specific classes. It's quicker and easier to set up.
>Also are they finally gonna give the pyro airblast jumps because that shit would be fucking wild
I'd like that too, but it's a bit of a coin flip. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, maybe they're not even going to rebalance Pyro at all and will just fix bugs and give it new weapons.

>>378434068
bc too many bad classes and bad weapons, too many cooks spoil the broth

free mobility at no health cost on a class balanced by short range and need to ambush is blizzard-tier game balance

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>>378434534
>free mobility at no health cost on a class balanced by short range and need to ambush is blizzard-tier game balance
Not him and not necessarily.

Look at Scout, he has literally free mobility with the double jump, and he's a class who can function well both at long and short range..

An airblast jump would cost 1/10 of Pyro's primary ammo per jump, so it wouldn't be free. You would also be paying the high cost of being Pyro.

You say Pyro is "balanced" by short range and the need to ambush, but let's face it, Pyro is far from balanced. It's a strong contender for worst class in the game. It could do with a buff in the vein of a skill-based movement technique that lets it actually get in range to attack.

>>378433959
But that's something completely different from the point you were making

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>>378427360
>and then buff it so that it's more often than not better than stock
I bet they're the same retard that nerfed Bison

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>>378428362

>pick proxy
>run into enemy team/objective
>spam dat mine laying button
>either run away to the other side of the map/die
>wait for some poor sod to step near your martyrdom mine
>repeat forever

thanks for the shitty match you crap character, glad i got my well-earned revenge this one time the game glitched out and pic related happened

>>378434887
>so that it's more often than not better than stock
nobody uses quickiebomb launcher over stock in comp. it's considered a meme. don't talk about things u dont know. iron bomber is the weapon that's actually superseding stock.

>>378434068
fewer players means the impact of any one player's skill level is greater, and the punishment for death is as well. It encourages players to do better since they can't rely on an extra 3-6 human shields and walking distractions to cover for them.
At the same time, it discourages poor behavior and low skill involvement as you are more likely to drag your team down. This double-edged sword is why I dislike PvP games with low player limits during non-competitive gameplay, because I can't singlehandedly carry 3 dirtmunchers in an objective based game. Developer/Publisher seeded competitive also brings out the worst in everyone, compared to a naturally formed community-based competitive scene.

>>378406850
i dont know man there is a bunch of female mods alredy it sounds like bullshit to me

>>378434260
The detonator actually gives Pyro just enough of an extra boost to give him a lot of shortcuts

>>378435093
Why do you think sv_pure 1 is a thing in Casual? To stop people who have mods fucking with gameplay balance.
>>378435120
True but it's not an efficient method of mobility since the HP cost is so high for such a (relatively) small jump. That's why you don't see many Pyros using it ever, since it sacrifices so much damage when you could have Shotgun or Flare Gun.

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>>378435005
>put splendid shield on demo
>eyelander for melee
>iron bomber for primary
I never got so good at shitting out pipes so quickly and directly as I did with that loadout.

>>378435365
yeah I don't know why, but with Iron Bomber, even when it was first released and Valve hadn't buffed it at all, my pills were just magnetically attracted to enemy fighting mans.

What do you guys think of the game right now? Personally I think the gameplay is the most balanced it's ever been (granted I only started playing in 2011) but from an aesthetic and visual standpoint I think it's really lost its charm

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>>378435120
Many of the shortcuts I've seen only save a second or two at best in exchange for 30 health. Sometimes that can be crucial, but most of the time it isn't. The other locations are ambush spots above doorways and props you can't normally reach, which sometimes that involves waiting around like an idiot for extended periods of time, and was usually advertised for use with the prenerf Puff'n'Sting tactic.
The mobility boost at the cost of health is a bad idea in combat compared to Rocket Jumping or the Atomizer, and if you're just traversing the map you'll wind up wasting some of the time you saved just grabbing a healthkit.
I like the Detonator a lot despite the disappointing mobility, and the Scorch Shot is probably better overall as a harassment tool. Scorch Shot doesn't have that delicious fireworks noise, though.

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>>378435782
>Personally I think the gameplay is the most balanced it's ever been
you're absolutely correct. Not to say that Valve couldn't stand to improve balance further, but I'm very happy with the direction of balance compared to how it's been in prior years. They've effectively fixed most of the infamous cancer like old Tomislav and old Gunslinger and made them genuinely enjoyable parts of the game. There's maybe only 4 weapons in pubs that I would say make the game actively less enjoyable.
>but from an aesthetic and visual standpoint I think it's really lost its charm
http://www.teamfortress.tv/35222/no-hats-mod
also improves your FPS

>>378434787
cant you already flare jump? did they removed/nerfed that?

>>378434787
scout is a glass cannon who deals the most damage up close and chips far away even with perfect aim.

pyro has no mobility but a stunlocking alt-fire that negates the enemy's mobility. ammo isn't an issue when everyone drops 50% ammo on death. it is for all intents and purposes free, especially so long as you don't throw yourself into a group fight and airblast jump around like a moron, which pyro is never supposed to do.

pyro is bad bc valve tried to make it something its not. taking the health penalty out of mobility jumping isn't skill-based for reasons above. he needs a buff because the flamethrower is both too easy to use and does horrible damage. his entire damage potential is in his secondaries.

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>>378436132
>ammo isn't an issue when everyone drops 50% ammo on death. it is for all intents and purposes fre
Nigger shut the fuck up already, this is not OW.

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>>378434958
the only way I could find enjoyment out of dirty bum before I quit was going shotgun rhino
some games I never even revved up my minigun, and I still have people telling me to neck myself for going fatty.
So much salt from proxy's mad I oneshot them as they bumrushed me down a corridor

>>378436173

sure, i won't deny TF2 had a lot of bad maps. Or at least, a lot of bad user maps. But i'd rather take bad user maps over bad official maps, which seem to at least be blizzard's take on things. Overwatch and Black Ops 2 are two games that stand out in my mind as having absolutedly dreadful maps

>>378436373
There is not a single good map on ow they all are a fucking mess, thats the second think i noticed playing that game, with bad character design being the first one. Fuck that game

>>378436287
you're just bad. I've never had ammo issues even with liberally airblasting everyone I meet into a corner. stop wasting ammo.