New thread >>378241217

Currently discussing the removal of Dorothy from 45/25

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Alright, so I'm going to take over if people want to polish this some more. I moved Rose up above Madotsuki by the way.

What should Dorothy be replaced with (S25, S45)?

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>Beato and Sayo both on the chart

I'll be hanging out.

>>378262681
Where's Sayo?

>>378262741
30 / 55

>>378262308
Switch Terry with Fox/Mario

>>378262516
Definitely, it seems that people have just put their waifus on the list regardless of if or not they actually deserve it, and even if they do deserve to be on the list they're higher than they should be

>>378262804
Oh shit. Yea, it's some fan art of her, that's why I didn't recognize her. I think the Beato's placement. Unless we keep them separate?

>>378261785
No offense, but that's hardly compared to Takano who cuts open an 8 year old girl's stomach (who is alive) and spreads her intestines across the floor to be pecked at by crows. All so a town goes insane and kills each other.
She also shoots 5 of her friends in front of that poor girl. Those friends are CHILDREN.
Forces a doctor to do LIVING autopsies on people.

I'm honestly really curious on what DK did to be that far on the "Deserved it" side

>>378261785
Asgore couldn't possibly have destroyed the barrier with the first soul. It was right after the death of Asriel so it would inevitably lead to a war with the humans and the extinction of the monsters. His lie that he needs 7 souls is necessary to protect his people and prevent way since by that time it takes to kill seven humans the monster population's hatred for humanity will have calmed down. In a way, he probably never expected 7 humans to fall underground in the first place given how rare of an occurrence it is.

So I don't think he deserves a spot at 95 and should be moved.

>>378263065
He hogs all the bananas in the jungle for himself and gets pissed whenever someone even touches one.

>>378263215
Sounds justified. Sounds like he should be king.

>>378263049
Just going by pure numbers Miyo kills 6 children in Minagoroshi chapter alone. She's much worse than asgore will ever be.

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>>378263170
>Asgore is at 95 deserves suffering spot
I just noticed. I can think of worse people in the same game.

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>>378262308
>spider man

>>378263332
Suffered a fuckton too. I would say switch Asgore with Takano.

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>>378262308
>Joshua deserving to be punished
why

>>378263415
We don't get it either. Chartguy2 wanted to randomly fill a hole.

>>378262543
>Night in the woods characters that high on the suffering scale
how?

>>378262308
>Adachi is STILL over 40 in suffering
Is there a super secret version of Persona 4 I don't know about? Was he raped?

Adachi killed like... 4 people and got friendzoned.

That sounds to be about... 30-35 vs 20.

Whoever is editting this: Remove Adachi. If someone really wants him in this chart, he can find him a place then.

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>>378262308
Is Ludger in there? I can't tell. And if he isn't you better put him in it. I see Velvet.

>>378263215
But does he really deserve it more than Rance, who is next to him?

>>378263702
Fuck, I'm starting to feel embarrassed for actually thinking before making requests.

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If we are gonna have the people on the sides of the chart being the "extremes," we could at least make them look more in place instead of them feeling really poorly pasted into the picture.
Maybe still have them in a box, or actually put them in the chart or something.

>>378263743
Yes, he is a menace.

>>378263828
Only one of them is poorly done. Just needs the background filled in.

>>378263828
There's nowhere in the chart to put them. It's better than splitting squares like we used to.

Can we fix iwata's picture though. It looks bad

>>378262516
How about Lord Malak?
Deserves to suffer: Sith/betrayer
Suffers but nothing too severely.

Or you can place him on
SPIDERMAN

>>378264138
Good suggestion.

But then again, he did annihilate the planet Taris and killed billions.

>>378264273
Yea, I think the spiderman placement is better. He suffers also because Revan STILL kicks his fucking ass, even if he goes Light Side.

So Dorothy's hole remains empty...

>>378264273
>>378264351

What about Revan himself?

Deserves SOME shit but not much, and doesn't suffer much.

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>>378262308
>not posting the corrected version

But seriously though, that spot is meant to be for a meme in all the other charts, not a litterally_who.

>>378264663
That really depends on what path he takes during the game. He's canonically light side so he fits pretty well in Dorothy's spot due to his past dark side experiences.

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>>378263049
>>378263170
Here, fixed Asgore. He could be moved if anyone wants but for now he's been replaced.

>>378263736
Removed.

>>378263828
I can polish Iwata up a bit if you want, he's really the only one that bothers me personally.

Also I'm not sure I get why Pac-Man is down there, he's suffered a lot from the Ghosts killing him, Pac-Man World 2: The New Adventures is horrific for him & his 20th anniversary was fucked over in World 1.

>>378263827
it's favouritism, the fact that they're that high is shocking when you have characters like Ludwig on the same row and Joshua Graham below them

>>378264859
Much much much better.

>Pacman
I think it's more related to the OLD Pacman. You can't really say old Mario or old Pacman really suffered. They were barely 2-D characters. It's like Pong.

Put Asgore where that Sex Android was, next to the clown.

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>>378264859
I hate to be picky but at least use her military outfit. It looks better that way.

>>378264859
Great work. I think Dorothy's spot (40/45 and 25) can be Revan then
(>>378264854
>>378264663)

>>378265179
I'll second this. Hard to recognize as well.

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>>378264859

It's been said a few times, but Shadowlord should really be higher up in the S scale. He had it worse than Papa Nier even. For the sake of thematics I think they should be side-by-side, with Shadowlord in Papa Nier's spot at s95 d45, and Papa Nier one notch to the right

>>378264859
We're honestly getting pretty close to being done. I can only see a few possible tweaks. And even then, they might be nitpicky.

>>378263065
He's an unheroic nigger in the Mario vs Donkey Kong series. He kidnaps and steals when things don't go his way.

can someone explain to me why dante is there?
he doesn't really seem to be suffering much

unless he's suffering from not getting a new game

>>378264859
We could move Asgore to where spiderman is. He's a seems like a pretty middle-of-the-chart character.

It really says something when Mother has basically the top three spots

>>378265895
Do we have any other boards charts? I kind of want to see /a/'s.

>>378265895
Runs through the Inferno. Sees the worst of the worst.
Doesn't he also lose his wife?

>>378264715
>TNO
>literally who
underage please go

>>378265990
oh shit I didn't realize dante's inferno dante was on there, I was talking about DMC dante

>>378265764
Here are just details we can look at OR just ignore

>Fernand (75/40).
Does he deserve THAT much suffering? He felt betrayed, that's why he betrays your group. He follows the ideals he cares about, so it fits his ideals.

>Berkut (50/60
I'm not stupid. I know the new Fire Emblem game came out and so fags wanna push characters from the game into it. Berkuth doesn't really need to be here. Replace with Malak from KOTOR
He's really a cut and dry character. He doesn't even DO anything in particular to deserve suffering (he's just an antagonist) and his ONLY suffering is losing.
So
MALAK
MALAK
MALAK 100%
>>378265986
Give me a sec and I'll hunt through what I got.

>>378264859
Please switch Beard from Hotline Miami with the fuckin Minesweeper smiley.
Beard was a soldier who looked out for his compatriots until the end. Minesweeper is a joke suggestion either way.

>>378266085
No problem, I didn't realize DMC's Dante was on the chart either!
Yea, he doesn't suffer particularly except for his fights with Virgil (It's been a while since I played but they were like brothers but they had to fight each or something....)

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>>378265986
/tv/ didn't finish theirs when I was grabbing them. I'll check the archives in case they did finish

>>378262308
just fucking make the chart bigger you fucks

stop replacing good sht and just add it on

who cares if its massive

>>378266245
>Berkut
If the game didn't come out last week, he'd have been forgotten.

>>378266556
>100 S 0 D
Is that the chick from Ef?

>>378266584
>Replacing good shit
Like what? The one good thing that got taken off was put back, albeit a bit lower.

>>378266584
You're the type of faggot who makes huge WEG images, aren't you?

>>378264859

Emil deserves the 0/0 slot more than Lucas. He suffered way more and never wanted to hurt anyone

>>378266556
I like the differences between characters on their chart and ours. For instance, Reimu is at 40,10 on /a/ but /v/ gives her 15,45.

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>>378265179
>>378265302
Fixed

>>378265209
Sorry, Revan from what series?

>>378265907
I'm fine with that, there.

Everyone don't forget Adachi's old slot is still open (S70, D80).

You all are going to need to direct me to the specific Suffer/Deserving positions & names of the series they're in by the way, I don't know all the characters after all.

>>378266814
he nuked an entire village that one time though. Sure, he was pretty distraught by it but he still did it

>>378266814
This. Lucas is also from a bad game.

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>>378266865
Revan from KotoR 1.

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>>378266865
Revan is Darth Revan from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Best RPG.

>>378262308
How exactly does Reimu suffer? It's her own damn fault no one donates

>>378266964
>Lucas is also from a bad game.
I love this meme.

>>378267094
Marisa always outshines her. She's not even the protagonist in her own games.

>>378266713
Indeed

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>>378266865
Switch Terry Bogard with Mario/Fox Mcloud

Terry has done literally nothing wrong, while I'm sure Mario has at least a little blood on his hands.

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>>378264859
I'd suggest putting Queen Sectonia in the empty spot next to Odin.

Deserves because:
> Her servant does his best to fulfill her every desire because he loves her, then as soon as he fucks up she zaps him and throws aside like a used rag
> Enslaves her own people
> Vane as fuck and wants to rule all of Popstar as its goddess
> Parasitised countless people so she can be the prettiest and strongest in the world
> After she fuses with the Dream Stalk she intends to drain the life out of the whole planet

Suffering because:
> Used to be kind and innocent
> Only became a narcisisstic turbo-bitch because a cursed mirror warped her mind
> Kirby fucks her shit up super hard literally four to five times over
> Her servant helps Kirby in killing her after she discarded him
> By the last fight she is a broken, mangled, insane shell of her former self

>>378266865
70S,60D and 70S,95D both need to be moved down

>>378266865
>>378266328
Please Chart Anon. I just want a respectable spot for an old war buddy.

>>378266865
I suggest replacing Berkut (50/60 coordinates I believe. Black haired anime guy) with Lord Malak from KOTOR1.
Berkut is only popular because a game came out recently for him and he doesn't even fit the coordinates. Lord Malak is far more famous and fits better.

Betrays his leader, kills millions,
and then gets his ass kicked by his leader anyway (inferiority complex to the maximum)

Serious question, how did venom snake suffer more then solid snake?

378266964
Not even worth the (You).

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I'm putting labels, if anyone is still interested. Any better ideias or character groups you'd want to put in the chart?

I'll update later if we need to.

Does Resetti really suffer that much? Or deserve that much? I always thought he was hilarious. The worst he suffers is being called a nigger by edgy villagers and losing his job. So what if he spooks Japanese lolis?

>>378267484
Not a big fan of the labels, personally. It's really /co/'s gimmick

>>378267484
>Anthony Burch Tier
That should probably be changed.
>Worse Than Hitler
Should probably be changed as well.

Also, I just noticed the absence of the Mayor from Days of Ruin, kinda surprised that he isn't on there anymore.

>>378267484
Good idea but you should probably wait until the end.

>>378267484

>>378267341

>>378267484
Ow The Edge only makes Beard even FURTHER out of place. He's wholesome and kind.

>>378267484
Nice I know /co/ already used it but maybe put "dindu noffin" near the bottom left corner.
>>378267660
Not him but they don't really change anything and this guy seems to try to use board culture for the labels so it's fine.
>>378267680
This shit will basically never end, someone will always be pissed about something.

>>378266902

Didn't mean to though. The kid was forcibly turned into a superweapon and lost control while trying to save everyone.

>>378267484
Leave the labels until we finally create a full version so you can choose if you want them or not

can we put ridley in one square so we don't have to keep removing things?

>>378267912
There comes a point where we just say fuck it and stop working on it and we're basically there. There's only really 3 contested spots left.

>>378268017
Then fix those spots we're not on a time limit.
We just filled the thing out today.

>>378268017
Actually, if we were to follow the same method of QCing shit from the last thread, I think we'd be working on the 50-60 Suffering row part of the chart.

>>378268012
>can we put ridley in one square so we don't have to keep removing things?
Let's be real, the reason Ridley is taking up those 4 squares are because no one could think of what characters to fill them in with.

>>378268017
Honestly the only spot I still find weird is Crono. The suffering rate is fine but I don't think he should be that high on deserved.

Other then that it loos fine to me but I worry someone will keep pushing for edits.

>>378268185
That's part of it, I'm sure. Also, I like the joke as well.

I wasn't even here for when they put it in.
>>378268234
Crono was thrown in randomly by Chartguy2. No clue why. Suggestions were given but he ignored them.

>>378268185
>the reason Ridley is taking up those 4 squares are because no one could think of what characters to fill them in with.
Ridley is too big for smash also had a part in it, I'm pretty sure.
>>378268307
Crono should be changed, at worst he shares the blame for the events of Chrono Cross with the rest of his team. I can't think of any other reason for the deserved part.

>STILL NO MANNY CALAVARA
AHHHHHH
Is it too late to add him?

>>378268406
Yes, Crono has to be changed and Ridley can be kept.

>>378267484
I say don't add labels. They are pointless when the chart should speak for itself.
>anthony burch tier
How dare you place his name next to TNO, the Master, Maxwell and Porky.

>>378266556
Not seeing Kiyone Mikibi on there, which is surprising. She was the Squidward of the Tenchi franchise.

>>378266865
So:
>Add Revan to Dorothy's old

>remove Crono OR Berkut, add Malak instead
(Neither Crono or Berkut fit. Berkut shouldn't be on this)

I think that's agreeable.

>no Huey anywhere on the list

>>378262308
Why is there two night in the woods characters and why are they so high up in suffering?
The other boards are going to think we're autistic.
If you actually played the game you'd know they're just young dumb adults coping with new responsibilities.

>>378268667
Problem is no one else played Night in the Woods. Mark them and we can remove them.

>>378268608
I'd say Crono should still be on the list, but trending towards the lower left side of things, while Berkut shouldn't be on there at all.

>>378268667
Agreed. If you are even going to add them Mae would be super high in deserves suffering with little that she actually suffered.
Bea did nothing wrong.

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>>378268667
Oh shit nigga, yeah what the fuck. Replace Mae with Omochao.

>>378268667
>The other boards are going to think we're autistic.
They already rightfully think we're retards, calling us autists is an improvement.

>>378268840
kek do this

>>378268752
Yea, that's exactly what I meant to say
Berkut total removal. Crono KEEP, but placed somewhere else. I just don't know where.

>>378268840
Made me spit my 3DS stylus out of my mouth.

>>378269000
So... This is my legacy.

At least it's /v/ related.

>EA nowhere to be found in 100 Deserved

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>>378266985
>>378267050
Done.

>>378267341
I could probably remove him if others are fine with it but Mario & Fox area already on the list.

>>378267404
Added

>>378267410
>>378268608
Done.

>>378267484
What font are you using? I'll recreate those a bit later down the line.

Sorry if I'm responding slow or seemingly ignoring some, polishing shit and not done with it.

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>>378268716
Yeah if somebody is still editing please remove them your edit. You can leave the cat but scale it down proportionally to around were Toadette is if you want (just more or less in that area, I don't care who you replace).

>>378269113
I probably wouldn't do labels, they're kinda messy and it'd incite more shitposting than anything else I think.

>>378269113
Nice. Good work. GREAT work in fact. I'm pretty much happy with these changes.

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Crono is currently at 55 suffering and 45 deserved, let's try to think of a new character to put on that spot as he doesn't fit there. Any suggestions/

>>378269113
>I could probably remove him if others are fine with it but Mario & Fox area already on the list.
I'm not asking for his removal, I'm just saying he needs a better location because there weren't many spaces left when I wanted to add him.

Mario is a good replacement since he's more cruel than Terry Bogard and it would make him closer to Sonic. It doesn't really matter though since the change is really small.

>>378269113
Keep up the good work.

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>>378269283
>>378268435

>>378269113
Why the fuck is Lavos at no suffering?
It fucking died, and it was a dumb animal anyways.
Also what did G-Man do to deserve suffering, and how did he suffer at all?

>>378269283
Yea, this is my last crusade... fixing this fag. He wasn't selected, he was THROWN in randomly.

Maybe >>378269125
can tell us if a Night in the Woods character fits?

>>378269408
>Night in the Woods character fits?
lol no, they're literally just millennials upset they have to be grown ups now

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>>378269283

>>378269375
Uhhhh

I actually don't think that's a bad idea. At the very worst, it's a little high on both spectrums. But at this point...

>>378269283
Agree with
>>378269375
But he didn't really deserve that much.

>>378269527
Magus is already on the chart, fool.

>>378269402
>Also what did G-Man do to deserve suffering, and how did he suffer at all?
No idea. Lavos I can at least understand at 100 deserve since it's basically singlehandedly responsible for everything that goes wrong in the Chrono series, but I can't get G-Man.

>>378269283
>>378269375
I have an idea:
>Move Majora's Mask to Crono's place
>put Manny in the new hole

>>378269653
Few threads back said the Vortigaunts caused the Gman to get upset.

>Kat from gravity rush
>Barely up there on the suffering meter
>Has lost everyone she knew multiple times
>Is constantly misstreated by everyone
>Best friend died saving her
>Keeps on ending up alone
>Is extremely lonely to the point where it is unfair
>Deserves any suffering at all
List is shit m8

>>378269408
They don't, the fact that somebody thought they deserved to be there is odd

>>378262308

I wonder how Byuu would fair, I'd pay alot of money for a Bahamut lagoon 2. Just to see Byuu give Yoyo a pity fuck/use her to make kids.

>>378269626
Well I'll be, why is suffering so much? I thought Frog had it rougher.

>>378269537
>>378269556
Manny repented and did good things in the game but he had to work as an underworld salesman for an exceptionally long time.
If you recall from the game, thats actually really unusual. Even jerks like the one guy Manny shipped in the coffin with foam didn't have to do that to go the afterlife while Manny still had to work off a dept.
He deserves it from something obviously, and thats on top of how he acted like an asshole IN the story.

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>>378267660
It's not as fun if only /co/ does it. Besides, no one will care for the mess of characters at the center otherwise.
>>378267665
Will attend changes.
>>378267680
I will, I'm waiting to swap it with the final version, but I don't expect much to change.
>>378268489
I actually agree a bit since the /v/ chart isn't as much of a mess as the others. But as I said, no one will care for the autism in the center. We're having fun after all. Also, I think Anthony Burch should remain as a label, at least. He was the perfect meme for the top right spot.
>>378269113
Don't worry, I'm still changing things. You could just let me handle the label part too.

Update.

>>378269113
>Teddie at 50 suffering, 95 deserving
for what purpose? He's annoying sure, especially in PQ, but he's no where near those levels. I'd say get rid of him entirely.

Also change Phoenix's pic. 60:30 You can barely tell it's him.

>>378269895
Oh I know: He deserved this shitty job and he suffered with the shitty job. But the neither gives him high values in suffering (he didn't suffer THAT much) and he didn't do THAT much evil. He's low values in my opinion. 30-40ish is the maximum. I'd say 20s

Is the editor for the chart still here? If possible can you make this edit >>378269375

Replace Crono with Manny.

>>378269714
This is the best idea.
Remove Crono, move Skullkid there, put Manny in new spot.
Do it editman.

>>378270041
>Remove Crono
Crono should still probably be on the list, just moved towards the lower left. a bit.

>>378270041
>Skullkid
Beat the game twice and I forgot his name.

>>378270007
>he didn't suffer
in part of the story he wondered around in an arctic wasteland for a year leading the saints that were wrong towards the gate to the next world, thats added to the other bullshit he had to go through
he clearly suffered a bit more then you say

>>378269113
Thank you so much. The second Beard, on the right, can be removed to free a slot.

>>378270215
I advised he take skullkid's place: that's 45. He should be happy.

>>378270106
Maybe he could take the spot of the flower from super mario sunshine. He's pretty innocent but that probably is still too low in terms of suffering, Honestly I ate to say it but if he was added a character would have to be replaced, maybe just leave him out.

>>378270106
Give us advice on where to place him. I can't exactly say where he fits best. He COULD take Toadstool's spot but that might be too low.

>>378270382
ehhh theres a lot of characters in that area that should be revoked
the sunflower is just the start of it, I'm sure Crono can go somewhere

>>378270382
>maybe just leave him out
I second this... we can't have everyone and the franchise is already represented. MCs are NOT a necessity where better examples are obvious.

Isn't the villain already on this too? That's already enough.

>>378270382
>>378270387
Replace Bandanna Dee, perhaps? Either that or the SMS Sunflower. Honestly, there's a fair number of characters in that area that could probably be chucked without a huge loss.
>>378270551
>...
Lurk more.

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>Azura worst than hitler tier
That's pretty good. I always thought corrin didn't fit.

>>378270628
Me and another anon fought for the swap. One of the better suggested swaps.

>>378270628
Corrin's just an incredibly spineless bitch. Azura's the one who could not only be rewritten into a villain pretty easily, but it'd make more sense if she was.

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Speaking of Chrono Trigger, anyone else think Lavos is wierd in 0 suffering? It in 100 deserve works but I feel like 0 suffering should be those who got away with little to no consequence. Gman and Yuna are way better for that spot. Lavos evenyually was killed so it's not like it got away.

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>>378264859
>>378269902

>King of all Cosmos at D:75 S: 5

Literally what?
>Built his son his own series of islands and star to live on.
>Went through the hell of his own father's training. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmbv-aRovE&t=1s
>Saved his son and cousins from a color consuming black hole. http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6f46/48u8e9n998tg4g3fg.jpg?size_id=8
>Genuinely does care about his son, but sees that constant perfection demanding is the best way to do it.
>Gets knocked unconscious by an asteroid and suffered from amnesia, only to wake up and find out the cousins replaced him with a robot version of himself.
>Does actually take pride and joy in his job and is saddened when he thinks people don't care about him anymore.

>Still punishes you if you fail.
>Destroys shit on accident.
>Agonizes son about hitting lamp during the webcomic.
>Doesn't care for his robot self despite it gaining its own personality.

Webcomic:
http://s9.zetaboards.com/Katamari_Damacy/topic/7416355/1/

I would personally put him in that D: 40 and S: 25 spot.

>>378269902
Can we switch Serious Sam and Super Mario Sunshine flower or some shit? Sam is a badass, not 100% innocent

>>378270854
>Gman
I still don't understand why he's at 100 deserving, I don't think we even know enough about the fucker to say whether he deserves it or not, despite what he makes Gordon go though.

Since the current chart guy is being a fag I'm willing to edit crono myself but have a question. How many pixels wide and long are the boxes? Sorry but I only have paint.

>>378271052
>I only have paint.
don't even bother if you can't fucking download gimp
you're a bigger fag

>>378271052
I'm going to remove him, relax.

>>378271209
Sorry, it seemed like you were holding a bias. Maybe look into what >>378269375 and >>378269714 said.

>>378269798
Frog only really gets fucked over by Magus. Magus loses his family, his kingdom and his memory at the hands of Lavos. Granted, it's been a decade or so since I've last played Chrono Trigger, so I might be forgetting shit.

How many other boards have completed charts?

Is there a reason Luigi is further up than Mario on the 'deserves it' axis? Is Starlow posting here?

>>378271381
/a/ /co/ and /tv/
/his/ is working on theirs

>>378271381
I don't have them but I believe... /a/, /tv/, /co/, /his/, and maybe more.

Should he be our S:0 D:100?

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No Loghain huh?
>>378271458
Luigi AND mario are on this? Nigga, we gotta change that shit. No one will take this seriously.

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>>378271570
forgot pic

>>378269902
Still suggesting Sectonia for slot (70 S/ 80 D).
>>378267342

>>378271381
/jp/ started a thread.

>>378271658
Nah.

I want more boards to do these but I don't regular any of them.
I think /s4s/'s will be good for a small laugh but I'm not going to be the guy to start it.

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What about him?

>>378271381
/a/, /co/ and /tv/ (and soon /v/) finished theirs.
/his/ is also currently making theirs.

Now we just need to convince /pol/ and /b/ to do one.

>>378271787
/pol/ would be a mess. I'd like to see what they do for Hitler though

>>378271658
Kinda funny, but sort of meta.

>>378271787
>/pol/ and /b/
Do they even have enough shit to fill it with?

>>378271757
Maybe where Namatame is?

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>>378269350
There then, swapped him & Mario for you.

>>378269283
>>378269375
>>378269714
Done

>>378267342
>>378271663
There.

>>378271290
It's alright, it's understandable. I don't think I'll have much of a bias when it comes to this, I'll just try & listen to what you all want.

50S, 65D is empty. Everyone bitch at this post for more ideas, even if you already did it before.

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Original /v/ suffering chart OP here. Thanks for finishing it.

>>378271787
>>378271876
>>378271929
I can imagine /pol/ being a different version of /his/'s, but given how divisive they are they wouldn't even be able to put Trump himself on the chart.

>>378271757
I'd rather we fix errors than add more people in. We have plenty of persona already.

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>>378269902
>made a convincing argument to move Daimon to 100 Suffering 0-30 Deserved back when the chart was like 70% empty space
>completely ignored

I guess I have to post it again

>Travelled with his mother figure Grette and her pawn Olra for years
>Eventually Grette becomes strong enough to face the Dragon
>Defeats it, but was not able to defeat the Seneschal
>Loses her will and her soul is inherited by Olra, who becomes a human
>Ashe(Daimon) becomes the next Arisen after she rips out his heart
>He travels with Olra until he's strong enough to take on the Dragon, eventually falls in love with her
>When he meets the Dragon, he's given a choice: To kill his mother figure or sacrifice his love
>Rejects both
>The Dragon interprets his answer and chooses the simplest one
>Kills Olra and leaves
>He's consumed with hatred for his fate and the forces that perpetuate the eternal cycle of the Arisen
>Suffers and broods for possibly thousands of years until the blackness in his soul becomes a living demon (Daimon) that possesses him
>Eventually you come and defeat him, freeing his soul and allowing him to be with Grette

>>378272067
Thanks OP

>>378271757
Has anyone been more of a fag then the doorfag? All he has done is complain about his character not making it.

Your character missed their opportunity. There is no longer a fitting spot for that character.

>>378272197
I swear, I've seen the post like 100 times. He's not even that interest a pick.

>>378272197
I don't know, but they're definitely pushing it way too fucking hard.

>>378272067
>>378270875
Well, if that 50S 65D spot is now open, I think maybe we could move the King Of All Cosmos there and find a new 10S 70D one.

>>378272067
Good job!

Questions to the whole thread:
What are going to put in that empty space?
What are we going to do to all that crap near 0,0?
Why do we STILL have two Night in the Woods characters and at unfitting spots none the less?

>>378272067
Awesome possum. Getting better every time.

>>378272427
>What are we going to do to all that crap near 0,0?
We definitely need to cut some of that chaff out.
>Why do we STILL have two Night in the Woods characters and at unfitting spots none the less?
Now this is the real question.

>>378272427
>Why do we STILL have two Night in the Woods characters and at unfitting spots none the less?
Totally forgot. I was thinking about fixing Crono.

>>378272427
NitW shouldn't even have one spot to be honest.

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>>378272067
Bubsy?

>>378272427
>Why do we STILL have two Night in the Woods characters and at unfitting spots none the less?
What spots?

>>378272169
Forgot to clarify that Grette becomes the Dragon after losing to the Seneschal.

>>378272673
He circled them before:
>>378269125
There.

Hey, maybe Doorfag gets his chance.

>>378272673
See >>378269125

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Move the NitW Cat, Mae, at 90, 70 to Toadettes Spot at 30, 15 (yes it was that far off).
Remove the gator thats 7 spots to Mae's left.

>>378272601
i agree, but theres a few others who dont deserve to be as high up like luigi

>>378272773
Or we could even put Loghain in place of them:
>>378271623

He deserves suffering BIG time, but also suffered and CAN suffer.

>>378272773
The thing is the P3 hero is your pretty typical jrpg hero. His deserve spot woul be lower but suffering is arguably high. He simply wouldn't fit in any of the spots still needed.

>>378272950
Pretty much this. P3fag is still screwed.

>>378272950
>>378273013
I've only played the first part and I agree he's 100% typical

WHAT I HEARD is that in The Answer he has to die to save the world. Which I guess is typical too but it has some element of "He didn't deserve it".
But if he doesn't fit, he doesn't fit.

I'll vote for DA: Origins Logain instead.

>>378273014
I like Beat and JSR but honestly I just don't see him really fitting on the chart. Like I guess you can argue for deserving but that is probably pushing it.

>>378273161
Replace Cat with Loghain then.
Hell, even alligator if someone feels Loghain was justified.

>>378273014
I've never played the Jet Set series, but there's a fair number of people in that area that should be removed anyways. I honestly think we should go back to our row by row check instead of the hodgepodge mess we have right now.

>>378272067
Move Ludwig (70S,30D) higher-up on the suffering scale

>>378273167
Alright, noted. Time for delet.

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>>378262308
Put Uther in 90 suffering and Lowish deserve territory

>spends a long time mentoring his apprentice
>slowly sees him rebelling against him
>eventually becoming the thing he wanted to fight against
>sees his apprentice unravel his fathers kingdom the very kingdom Uther stood for
>finally he fights him and dies to his corrupted apprentice

Uther didnt deserve this bullshit

>>378273161
His main thing is he gives his life to act as a seal to some evil portal or something. I haven't played P3 but people never shut up about it so you learn stuff being here.

He had potential but now it would just be too late. Doorfag is just assblasted his generic jrpg hero won't be added and is being an annoying fuck about it.

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why is there a tetris block?

i dont understand?

>>378273448
Look at the shape

>>378273448
L piece ain't good for shit man. Its just there to make the game harder.

>>378273348
Sorry. JSR is a great game but it's more about its gameplay, atmosphere, and aesthetics . Beat is a cool guy but he's just your typical hero. Doesn't really do wrong and doesn't really deserve anything wrong.

>>378273448
He made us suffer while not suffering anything
He deserves to, but didn't

>>378273408
Sounds about right. Yea, fuck the doorfag then.
>>378273448
I said it before but my guess is that it's an annoying piece to work with (deserves to suffer for being annoying!) and as it's just a piece, it doesn't actually suffer.

It's sort of a joke but it IS /v/ related and I think we should keep it. Nice to have a mix of games. Not just RPGs, but puzzle games too. As long as the annoyance is gameplay wise and not voice actor or personality, it could be okay.

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>>378272420
Fixed, but now 10S 70D is empty.

>>378272427
>>378272773
>>378272781
>Why do we STILL have two Night in the Woods characters and at unfitting spots none the less?
Here, they've fucked off for now, I'll replace them in a bit later.

All the red are free spaces.

>>378273591
>>378273590
>>378273579
>>378273542

fair enough,

>>378273629
>I'll replace them in a bit later.
please only one at the most and MUCH lower

>>378273629
>100 on the suffering scale blends in with Iwata
>100 on the deserving scale blocks out despair cunt
why

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Crazy near Master?
But maybe more suffering and less deserved?

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>>378272067
Replace Adeleine with Ryu, remove SMS sunflower and put Adeleine there.

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Thoughts on President Shinra for 75 deserve/10 suffering? Villains who got away with little consequence for games is difficult as most games are about punishing the villain.

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>>378273629

put this fucker in s10 d80

>>378273816
I was planning to fix Junko & make it blend like Iwata.

>Blue is only 10 suffering
idk, having your childhood rival constantly beating your ass and stealing your title of champion mere minutes after you get it is pretty awful.

>Astrea D35
What did she do to deserve anything? She had the purest intentions of arguably any Soulsbourne character

>Lavos in bottom right
Can someone refresh me on why that is? It ultimately got destroyed in the end so at the very least it's not like he didn't get away scot free. I'd swap him and Dio but that's just because I can't remember shit about Chrono Trigger

I still don't know who they woman to the left of the Xenogears protag is, it looks like it could be a Layton character?

Also this chart is way better than when I saw it last it was such a piece of shit in the beginning.

>>378273905
Seconded. No idea why Adeleine deserves much of anything.

>>378273629
95D, 75D
Loghain (>>378271623)


>>378273901
He's already on this chart.

95D, 45S has the Crusader Kings II mascot... The one who suggested it said "It represents the typical player". I don't know how much /v/ likes this idea... I personally find it weak.

>>378274060
I see Master Hand. Where is Crazy Hand? Am I blind?

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>>378273629
put this greedy whore in 10/80

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>>378273629
S Q U A W R K for s10d70
Q
U
A
W
R
K

>>378273629
Remove Aria at 100S 25D. Her backstory is hardly worth of 100S.

Put Daimon at 80S 60D there instead

>>378274217
deserve for 80 is like people who killed multiple people and shit.

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>>378272169
I think you should have replied to the other chartfag. I'm only doing the labeling.

The axes don't really make much sense and seem to represent the same thing, even contradictory things. If someone rates 0 on suffering but 0 on how much they deserve, does that mean they don't deserve to not suffer? (ie they deserve to suffer?)

I realize I'm overthinking it but this could have been done better

>>378274315
>0 suffering
they don't suffer
>0 deserve
they don't deserve to suffer
>0/0
they don't suffer, and wouldn't deserve to suffer

you're overthinking indeed

>>378274301
Well you're doing a shit job at it.
put in some actual effort. these are terribly unfunny

>>378274315
>I realize I'm overthinking it
Yeah, you kinda are.

>>378274315
Like 10 other boards are all doing this. Let's guess 30-40 people work on it on each board. That's 300-400 people. No one else mentioned it.

It's you.

X-axis: How much they deserve to suffering
Y-axis: How much they suffered/suff

So 0,0 means they don't deserve to suffer and don't suffer
100,0 means they deserve to suffer immensely, but will not/don't
0,100 means they suffer tragically but don't deserve it
100,100 they deserve the worst and receive it

>>378274478
DON'T BULLY

>>378274478
No bully or we'll add you to the chart.

>>378274478
Well, what do you suggest then?

>>378262308
>ridley occupying 4 squares

Lost

>>378274478
I agree. Titlesfag is a shit

>>378274504
>Like 10 other boards are all doing this.
Not 10, more like 6-7
/v/, /a/, /co/, /tg/, /his/, /jp/ and /tv/

>>378274579
>>378274581
>21:44:46

>>378274478
I agree with you that a lot of these aren't terribly funny. Personally, I'm in favor of removing them, but I wouldn't be against better written ones.

>>378274662
What a minor issue to correct.

>>378274504
>Y-axis: How much they suffered/suff
Yeah this is the point I missed
I didn't realize that "suffering" = "how much they suffered". I'd rename it personally

>>378274862
I don't know how you missed that unless english isnt your first language. Most people understand that part but not the x-axis

>>378274862
>suffering from a 0-100 scale
Iunno anon, seems pretty self-evident to me.

>>378274862
Kek, there's no way you can misunderstand that. It says suffering and it's a numerical scale.

Can people give the deets on some of the characters around the 55, 70 open spot?
Crazy Hand >>378273901 should be added next to Master with only slightly less deserved and all those there can be shifted a bit.

This way we get rid of an opening and it won't go back to the NitW character.

>>378273629
Put Serious Sam in Fox Mcloud's spot, put Fox in Barlog's spot, put Barlog in Sam's old spot

Sam enjoys killing shit too much to not deserve to suffer a little and Fox is more innocent

Fox's dad was killed by Andross which is already more suffering than what Barlog went through

>>378274583
not using them

>>378274301
Anthony burch tier doesn't belong with those characters

>>378274583
You Couldn't Save Them, Morally Grey Assholes, and Did Nothing Wrong are fine
Change Anthony Burch Tier to "At Least They're Not Anthony Burch"
Worse Than Hitler is far too played out.
The rest are just way too off the mark and don't represent their placement well at all.
I guess it doesn't matter since there will always be 2 versions, with and without, but as long as it's being done it could be better

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I'll post it again, she still is indisputably
S:100
D:0

Maybe D: 5

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>>378273350
Bumping for Uther to be on the list

>>378273350
>>378275337
We'd have to replace someone. Who do you want replaced?

>>378275297
Sorry anon, Lucas is ironclad in that 100/0 spot.

>>378274925
>>378274991
>>378275057
I interpreted as the amount of suffering and how much they deserve that amount. "Amount they suffered" would have been a hell of a lot more clear. Just because I'm the only one that's said anything, doesn't mean I'm the only one that's been confused.

>>378275297
Sorry, Luca was near universally agreed for D: 0 S:100. He has been there since the near start, he isn't going anywhere.

>>378275483
Then you'd want the axes flipped. It makes no sense for "deserving that amount" to be on X and "amount of suffering" to be on the Y. So you are mathematically ignorant, anon.

>>378275483
>and how much they deserve that amount
That's literally what the "deserved" axis is for, anon.
>Just because I'm the only one that's said anything, doesn't mean I'm the only one that's been confused.
Please don't push your lack of comprehension onto us, alright?

>>378275683
>>378275695
Are you really denying that "suffered" would be clearer than "suffering"? Yes or no answer, please

>>378275417
Jak or Red

>>378275823
Yes. Don't change it

>>378274301
Can you post a version without labels?

>>378275823
Hm, switching suffering to suffered. I think it's a rather small thing. Maybe suffered fits better when compared to the x-axis.

>>378275823
It honestly shouldn't matter to anyone who isn't a mouthbreather, both mean basically the same damn thing.

>>378274301
Master Chief's ranking only makes sense if you don't know jack about the guy's history
He literally deserved 0 suffering but was turned into a machine and lost everyone he ever got close to

>>378276042
You obviously can't put a whole paragraph on an axis, but "How much they suffered" vs "How much they deserved" would be a lot more clear

And I'm probably one of few people who were confused because I just looked at the image without reading the thread

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>>378273684
But where?

>>378273905
Fixed.

>>378273970
>>378274229
Who should I pick?

>>378274217
She's sure as hell not worse than Louie, Anon.

>>378274060
Added Loghain.

>>378275230
Tell me their spots beyond Fox.

>>378275823
Suffering and suffered are both fine, but "how much they deserve" should be "how much they deserved it".

>>378276170
see >>378273952

>>378276124
>both mean basically the same damn thing.
Yes, this is 100% true.
>>378276150
Yes, we could do that. That would be the BETTER choice... but it's not necessary.

>>378276170
Sam is S:10 D:0
Barlog is S:30 D:0

>>378276170
>>>378273684 (You)
>But where?
I'm the only one commenting on that I think. I say replace Toadette with Mae. She dropped out of college, had to learn she's a looser, and got shot by some low caliber deer rifle, but really its not that bad compared to most on this list.

>>378276170

Still pushing for this >>378272169 >>378274275

>>378262308
>No Jim Raynor

>>378276170
Switch Tom Nook(S:0 D:55) and Chuckster (S:0 D:15)

Nook is actually nice enough to let you borrow money interest free, while Chuckster flat out attempts murder for no reason

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>>378275239
>no_fun_allowed.jpg
>>378275241
>>378275243
Done.

Give me some good ones to finish this, I've run out of /v/ memes to name these character groups.

>>378276170
Omochao pictured here >>378268840

Should go to S:5 D:75

>>378276938
Yea, I like it

At best, the "at least they aren't...." you can split it into two lines possible, with the lines of writing in between characters

>>378276938
>Big Bads
>most aren't even
???

>>378277120
Silent Mascots is a bit weird as well.

>>378277120
>>378277246
annoying companions as well
scout stands out their since he's in the middle of it
maybe just "annoying shits" would be better

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>>378276938
>that slut from Transistor that high.

>>378277120
Just make it "assholes" and change the morally grey thing since the fact they are towards the right clearly indicates that they arent morally grey.

>>378276170
Shit, I'm so sorry for all the switch requests, switch Samus Aran (S:15, D:10) with Pheonix Wright (S:60 D:10)

This chart is really fucked up and needs a lot of repairs. Maybe I'm taking this too seriously and getting way too autistic.

This is a really awful list

>>378277506
contribute or gtfo

>>378277506
It's getting better. FAR better.
>>378277474
No, this is a good change. Nick doesn't suffer that fucking much. I second the change.

>>378277506
We're gonna fix it, one switch request at a time.

Seriously, how did we fuck this up so bad?

>>378277506
thanks for your valuable contribution
>>378277474
Last thread we were working from the top down to QC the selections that were there, so it's little surprise that the lower areas of the chart are still weird.

>>378277690
Autists like door-kun, and other faggots who just wanted their favorite characters in on the chart whether or not they belonged where they forced them in at.

>>378277474
This. Absolutely this.

>>378277432
>>378276938
Yeah put Uther in there instead of her

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>>378276938
Need someone for 75D, 10 S?

Airy from Bravely Default.

Assuming no one has another request.

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We should continue to QC down the list. What do you guys think about this section?

>>378277942
Ridley is too much of a meme since he takes up 4 sections.

>>378277942
Whats with Ridley?

>>378277918
I second this, chart man.

>>378277942
Crono was changed anon.

Boco from Shantae really shouldn't be there. He's mostly just a gag character.

>>378276938
Why does Quote and Curly are so far on the right? I don't see how they deserve any suffering.

Wario does not deserve to suffer more than Bowser. That's just absurd.

>>378277942
Ridley is too big for smash, and too big for the chart.
Thanks for doing this, by the way. I'd do it but I can't into MSPaint.

>>378277942
Top row, 7 from the left: Sayo
We already have Beatrice on this chart. I think the line of where she and Beatrice separate is hard to pin point. If we have a better choice, we can replace her. We don't, then keep her.
>>378278040
>>378278036
Keep Ridley. This is best choice. We can't find 3 other people without huge wars anyway and it's funny as it is.

>>378277942
I dont get rob being there.

Who's on the top right?

>>378277942
Remove Teddy
Why's the raptor taking up 4 spaces?

>>378278061
There must not have been a lot of space left over there when they were added.

Who should we switcharoo them with?

>>378267665
>I just noticed the absence of the Mayor from Days of Ruin, kinda surprised that he isn't on there anymore.
Days of Ruin Mayor is at 20 Suffering and 100 Deserved.

>>378278173
/v/ or The Nameless one
>>378278185
Isn't it Teddy's evil form?
If it's meant to be Teddy, then yes, remove.

Evil Form Teddy who fucks up Normal Teddy DOES fit, as he tortures an innocent and dies horribly for it.

>>378278246
Whoops, I'm blind.

>>378278306
All good, I'm the one that actually suggested he be on the chart, after all. Fuck that asshole.

>>378278149
>>378278149
Subspace Emissary. Forced to work for Tabuu so his race wouldn't get extinct. It got extinct in the end anyway.

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>>378272651
Bubsy has suffered and is continuing to suffer.

>>378278378
Ah, okay, fair enough. I never finished subspace emissary.

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Something's been bugging me for hours about this chart.

Why does Sam have 65 fucking suffering?

>>378278061
There is the argument they may have been involved in the mimiga slaughter but this debatable. Deserving should be lowered for both but since that would mean replacing others spots maybe just have them removed.

>>378277942
Jecht suffers more then this, desu. He purposely is looking to die because his current state is so unhappy. He at least is suffering more then Bowser ever did.

>>378278491
Can't wear shoes and lose all the time in Poker Night in the Inventory 2

Randomly throw in, that's my guess

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>mfw both your nominations made the list and haven't been moved yet

>>378278491
huh, you are right
he should overwrite a lower character

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>>378268840
>>378277087
Added.

>>378276401
>>378276853
>>378276663
Fixed.

>>378277474
>>378277601
>>378277865
I agree and fixed.

>>378276938

Isaac: Literally just a mentally deranged child

More deserving than

Little Mac: A guy that punches people for a living

>>378278606
Why is Omachao at that spot?

>>378277942
Ridley should be taken out
Smashfags don't deserve it

>>378278494
They were both involved but being robots I dont think they had a much of a choice, and they didnt suffer that much either. I agree with removing them.

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>>378278278
>Isn't it Teddy's evil form?
Then wouldn't something like this image be a better fit?
It feels like he's only so far right on the "they deserve to suffer" side because he's annoying

>>378278635
One could make a flimsy argument that he's the reason why his dad left their family, but that's really pushing it.

>>378278606
Thanks OP

Could you switch Sam (S:65, D:5) with Gary Oak (S:5, D:10)