Le pirating is bad for game developers meme bullshit

>>377488241
It is no surprise you faggagots are jobless NEETS. You don't even understand how businesse works.

Do you think people make games out of the kindness of thier heart? No, they don't. Just like everything else in this world they are made to sell and make money from inorder to keep a business running and profit comming in.

What you faggots call 'being a jew' is actually 'running a business'.

>>377488567
first p best p

I pirate because I want free shit and honestly I don't give a shit if "x" company goes bankrupt or if "x" game franchise gets canceled/dropped/etc
Even if I pay for games, games are still getting worse.

>>377488782
This is a fake post made by OP

>>377488241
You forgot Stores sell to consumers, if they don't, they stop buying from the distributor, and distributors don't make money, then they don't finance other projects, and therefore, they take less risks and more stagnation comes from that

>>377488782
Do what you want, just don't talk like you're talking from a higher moral ground. You're just a parasite.

>>377488241
You do know what happens if a game does not sell well, right?

Thats the whole point of buying games you like, plus this argument does not really hold up since digital distribution exists.

But yes keep saying how pirating is not bad for game devs just because you want free stuff.

>>377488241
It's stealing. People have the right to that money. Even if it wasn't the developers directly, there are people who are entitled to the money, and it's wrong to steal it from them.

The girl is pretty.

>>377488935
retarded consumer drones are killing video games faster than any pirate could

>>377488935
>>377488949
Stop

>>377488935
I'm still going to continue pirating.

>>377489001
>It's stealing

No it's objectively not. Look up the definition.

with all these games these days that just sell digital only...what exactly is a publisher for?

>>377489104
>it's objectively not
It is morally the same thing.

>>377488567
This

For the record, I don't support shitty business practices, I don't pre-order, I don't get season passes, and I don't buy micro transactions, but I do buy games I want to play.

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>release hitman with denuvo
>"now pirates cant pirate, this will surely boost our sales"
>game flops like nothing before
every tiem

>>377488567
Yeah because running a business automatically means going the EA route.

You are fucking stupid.

>>377488567
Its no surprise you bootlickers are corporate whores. You dont even understand how the human psyche works.

You think i give companies money out of the kindness of my heart? No, i want a product, and if you happen to be in a business where someone can get your product without paying for it, tough shit, call the cops.

What you faggots call "illegal", i call "convenient."

>>377489031
We can make an argument for that, yes, but that still doesn't justify people pirating software and gloating about it like it's a holy crusade. They're just cheap ass faggots.

>>377489065
Do what you must, you'll never be in the right in this argument.

>>377489223
A true hero we can all look up to

Keep fighting the good fight soldier

>>377489293

Good companies die.

Bad companies die

Middling companies thrive endlessly.

>>377489338
I'm not trying to be in the right, so your self fulfilling "I'm moral and right" it's all in your head.

>>377488241
I bet that mouth is so warm and wet...

>>377488241
at this point I bet you're just one guy alternately creating a pro-piracy and an anti-piracy thread

>it's a poorfag episode
These episodes always make me kek.

>>377488241
i don't care for the kikes, either. but you live in a society, do you fucking part and pay to enjoy your fucking hobby.

>dut i dont have to
Thats the beauty of the internet, but i still pay for albums that i enjoy enough to give my undivided attention.

>>377489338
You can be right all you want, im gonna play some free video games

>>377489427
Well, maybe it's because every single pirate thread and almost every pirate poster does talk about it like their standards forced their hand to pirate shit they wouldn't pay for.

>>377489552
You'll also burn in hell.

>>377489612
Lol.

>>377488567
Could you be anymore ignorant? Piracy doesn't hurt the industry at all. Movies are much more frequent pirated than games and that doesn't hurt that industry at all. Hackers tried ransoming Netflix and Disney and both of them told them to get fucked because they know that pirating won't hurt their business. But please go on sperging what your heard on reddit, god forbid you ever come up with your own opinion.

>>377488241

>most game developers are virtue signalling liberals who hate Trumpo

>most people who pirate games are poor, huge numbers are from poor countries like China, pakistan, russia etc

>these people simply would not have these games at all if not for piracy, it's not an either/or situation

>liberals don't want poor people to have something, even if there is no benefit to them in that happening

What a shocker.

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>>377489293
>Pursuit of wealth automatically means you are EA

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Good games will always sell well desu. I can't think of a game that sold shitty that would have sold well but piracy was its main issue.

I mean it doesn't help obviously but its mostly an excuse from devs to cover the fact that their game flopped if they bitch about it. DRM needs to die because it always gets cracked fast and then the pirated version of a game ends up being the superior copy.

There is a silver lining to piracy however, more people get exposed to your game then before and that extra exposure could somewhat offset the damage it causes. But admittedly most people that pirate wouldn't have likely bought the game for anywhere above bargain bin prices at best.

>>377489740
This is what poor people actually believe.

>>377489881
Thats right, Ad hom. Because you have nothing. Stay mad, brainlet.

>>377488241
A development house is a contractor, selling their skills. The publisher is the entity paying them to create something for them.

To use an analogy, a development house is like a building company, the publisher is like the customer paying to have a wall built. The developer has no rights to the game they create, they are paid to make it for the publisher and they own it outright. If the developer uses assets from a previous game in something else the publisher can sue their asses.

So when Prey flopped the publisher (bethesda) lost a shit ton of money, the devs (arkane) were already paid in full for their work so lost nothing.

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>>377489881

>>377489942
You are to delusional to reason with. No matter what I say you will just come out with 'muh evil corporations' bullshit.

This is why you are poor and have no money.

>>377489338
I am not gonna pretend that I am not a cheap faggot living in poor country and I dont pirate 90% of time to save the money for something that matters. But I do occasionally buy games that I really liked. And I buy the games I liked in a huge sales. Its not much, but atleast its 5-10 bucks for them then.

And I wont buy any game that use DRMs to hurt the players. Not for a full price, not for a half, not for 5 bucks.

>>377490114
Ad hom. Let me know when you can provide an argument. Stay mad.

>>377489881
>I have so much money i'll just give it to anyone for shitty products

If you're rich, it's not by your own hand, fool

>>377490151
>muh arguments
There is nothing to argue. You are poor, you pirate and you use stupid excuses to try and justify it.

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>>377490114
>Keeps repeating the same thing

Seek a cliff my nigga

>>377490245
Exactly. You're too dumb to argue a fact. So you sperg ad hom. Brainlet etenerally btfo.

>>377489881
No it really doesn't hurt the industry at all, most pirates simply can't buy the products in the first place.

If piracy was a big deal Denuvo would of sent sales though the roof, in-fact almost every game on Denvo has sold worse than previous games without it. If piracy was a big deal movies and music would not longer be made because there would be no money in it.

You can look at a game that pirates have refused to ever crack and compare it to ones that have been to see how much impact it has. Dishonored 2 was intentionally never cracked to give an example of how little impact piracy has.

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>>377489740
>business loses a potential sale
>couldn't possibly impact the business

It hurt them, they lost sales. The reason they didn't pay was to not set a precedent of paying out.

>>377490316
>Bro-economist
Yeah, that not how it works. But please, do go on reddit.

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>>377488241
Is that Jordy Jones mai 3dpd waifu? OH SHIT NIGGA post MORE!

>>377490284
>fact
See, I told you that you were delusional.

>>377490351
>that not how it works
:^)

>>377490393
>http://www.htxt.co.za/2017/05/02/netflix-refuses-to-pay-ransom-orange-is-the-new-black-season-5-appears-online/
Ad hom. Maybe you can ask your parents to help you open this link, you might find it too hard.

>>377490316
What do you mean they lost sales?

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>>377489740
This guy gets it.

>>377490304
You could attribute the fact that denuvo hasn't impacted sales greatly to the fact that many people just choose not to buy games despite being perfectly capable. I can pirate a couple hundred games for every one or two that has denuvo.

If a market is full of free products it's inevitably going to impact the sales of products that do cost money.

>>377490457
Oh, you weren't finished? Tell me more about your bro-economics.

These threads are identity politics 101
>i don't like it when people torrent things
>My idea of someone who torrents is x
>therefore, everyone who torrents is automatically put into my group of someone who torrents
>they are wrong, because I disagree with them
Stop lumping all people who torrent into your 'they torrent literally (the first definition) everything, never pay for literally (the first definition) anything' it does nothing besides make you seem like you're trying to push an agenda. People aren't either A or B, and assuming people who you disagree with are either/or will not win you any arguments

>>377490391

doesnt she have a black boyfriend?

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>>377490547
Not completely nigger black looks kinda Samoan to me shit sucks man

>>377490618

whatever you gotta tell yourself man

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I do not support devs who do this kind of shit and instead I'm pirating their games.

I do buy games, sometimes even for full price if I know the game is good and the dev is alright.

>>377490351
Can't even make an actual argument

>>377490702
Ok, I'll spell it out for nice and easy.
You: They're losing sales!
Truth: Those sales never existed.
You: Potential sales!
Truth: Those people were never going to purchase it anyway. Their money doesnt not exist.

>>377490130
That's cool, I don't like EA anymore, so I don't buy a single game from them, I just don't bother to get them for free either. Same for Ubisoft, and I don't give them a dime. I also wait for sales when available, I have nothing against piracy per se, but I do hate some other people claiming it's anything remotely positive for anyone who is not themselves.

>>377490658
>I don't support devs who sell optional dlc for me to buy so I can enjoy more of the game I like if I choose to
OK

>>377490483
If a movie is leaked online plenty of people who would've payed to go see that movie or buy that movie will view it for free

Which is lost sales

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This pic tells all, and if I see that faggot who posts "inflation included" version I'll rape his sister and shit in his grandma's eyes.

>>377490853
you're implying they won't go and see it in theaters. see >>377490540

>>377490853
Dumbass. Films makes their money in their first 2 weeks at the box office. Piracy doesn't effect their business at all. Fucking bro-economists brainlets everybody.

>>377489135
>>377489135
sharing is the moral equivalent of stealing?

>>377490540
This could be applied to most of the common arguments of this board

>>377488241
>Truth: Those people were never going to purchase it anyway.
That is hardly the truth considering not everyone who pirates is incapable or entirely unwilling to pay to view a movie.

Meaning potential sales were lost. Were you taught economics in Cuba or something?

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Buy shit you like so they can keep making shit you like. Pirate shit you don't have the money for if you live in a third world country or really have much more important shit to spend on. It's not that hard to do really.

Though I honestly don't give too much of a shit what people do with their time so buy/pirate all you want if you want.

>>377490841
If it's cosmetic shit I don't mind at all. If it's the game content it's like they were forcing you to pay for mods in most cases.

>>377491006
Or any board, or any aspect of real life.

>>377491006
that doesn't mean i'm wrong and that these threads should continue to engage in these practices.

>>377489242
An episodic game that also has timed events was a weird fucking design choice. It was clearly to drive people to buy each chapter as it was released by why not just ship the whole game?

>>377489742
i thought conservatives hated the poor

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>>377490785
You are half right, and you certainly have a point. But arent not playing EA games and pirating EA games the same thing?
>I don't like EA anymore, so I don't buy a single game from them
>it's anything remotely positive for anyone who is not themselves.
And I am going to say it right now, its the people who actually buy new games that are killing the industry. There is no chance of us getting games like we used to, if people keep buying the new shitty sequels like MEA. So in my books, these pirates who arent buying these games, but keep shitting on them on every occasion are doing the industry a favor. Of course, their motivation is 90% "I dont want to pay money for games".

>>377491049
I didn't really want to imply that

>>377491021
>You: Potential sales!
>Truth: Those people were never going to purchase it anyway. Their money does not exist.
Most of pirates live in india. But you just automatically assume their from a first world country because of your hive mind reddit mentality. Their money doesn't exist! Brainlet bro-economics 101

>>377491021
The vast majority of pirates can't afford the games. If piracy was stopped tomorrow sales would barely improve at all, unless they started actually robbing peoples houses to buy games I guess.

>someone pirates my game

>I don't give a shit because they weren't going to pay for it anyways

>I don't lose a sale, or a potential customer.

If some retard stole your recipe besides one key ingredient and made functional bread with one change in it that alters the flavor slightly, would you be fucking mad?

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>>377490932
Are you suggesting that if a movie leaks online people aren't going to watch it for free if they have the option and that in no way could possibly impact the sales of that movies tickets in the first 2 weeks?

Remember the movie Fury?

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>>377491214
>mfw I actually have on crush on this chick
the fuck is wrong with me I'm 19 she is like what 15 or some shit not much of a difference but still I want her.

>>377491130
Definitely, but I think you'll agree that these (anti-)torrenting threads are essentially just trying to lump everyone who disagrees with an ideology into a label created by that ideology and essentially fruitless.
Somewhat unrelated to what I said, but very related to the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

>>377491214
and then there's this faggot pushing his shitty ass kink into every fucking thread like he has a point to push

>>377491097
Liberals hate the poor more than anyone, they just role play as the good guys.

>>377491278
She looks younger than she is. She's actually 17.

>>377488241
>I have the ability to pirate
>that means it's okay

Woah...

>>377490932
China, the largest single demo for movies, has an entire secondary market based around pirating movies. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>377491280
>like he has a point to push
He is paid by the cuck confederation

>>377491237
Movies leak all the time. It doesn't effect box office at all. Disney told hackers to take their stolen POC movie and shove it because they know when a flick is going to make money.

>>377491237

Let's say I do a demo of a game. I would say piracy is nothing but a demo. If I like it, I'll put money towards the product. I bought fallout 3 after pirating it. Why does this effect you? Or a developer? Why do you shill so hard for denuvo?

>>377490532
denuvo hasnt impacted sales because theygames that have it are shit. thats why they arent selling well. a good game always sells well

>>377491214
>see white girl
>instantly think of moist hard black people schlongs
You have issues, anon

>>377491316
>warcraft movie leaks
>still rakes it in China
Piracy hurts nobody.

>>377491339
I'm not surprised. While I'm all for everyone having their kinks my major 'taboo' ones being cuckquean and watersports doesn't mean they should be mentioned in every thread that has something that can relate to them.

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>>377488241
She looks like my sister, Anon

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>>377491416

What is the most pirated game of all time?
Minecraft
Notch is a billionaire

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>>377488782
>games are still getting worse
2017 has been one of the best years in the last decade and we aren't even half way through it yet.

You're a fucking faggot.

>>377488241
>record number of sales
>hasn't even hit street date

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>>377491214
>bbc
You have one of the worst fetishes on par with cuckold you beta nu-male.

>>377491504
I'm a guy, in brisbane, with a beautiful fiancee who wants us to find another woman(female) to fuck while she watches. So unless you fit the location and sex requirements, sorry I can't help you. cuckqueaning is fucking awesome

>>377491516
Name few good games released this year. Please include nier so I can laugh at you

>>377490761
>Those people were never going to purchase it anyway. Their money doesnt not exist.
I would buy games if I couldn't get them for free.

>>377491596
She may ask you for the reverse one day.

>>377491295
im pretty sure neo-liberals hate the poor, but conservatives really hate the poor

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>>377488241
>>377488782
>>377489552
>>377490487
>>377490304

>>377491639
You're still not going to buy them regardless. So their accounting for you, they're fucking idiots.

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>>377491610
I was going to actually list some for you but your spoiler gives away that you're just fishing for (You)s.

Enjoy the (You).

>>377491679
right but if piracy didn't exist, I would have bought, for instance, Prey. 100% I would have bought it. In fact I did buy nier automata because it didn't get cracked for so long.

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>>377488241
>a good game always sells well
You couldn't be more wrong my friend


>>377491357
Not shilling for denuvo, I honestly hate the shit and I think it's mostly useless and only burdens people who actually buy the damn games

I just think piracy can be bad for the industry, but particularly for smaller developers who rely the most on each game sold.

>>377491645
That's not how the relationship dynamic works. But, lets humor you and say she does one day. The main reason cuckqueaning works for us is because we communicate, we trust each other, and we are honest. IF she wanted to sleep with another man, she would ask. She would trust me to seriously think it over and I would trust her to respect any and all boundaries I set.
That being said, she's the sub in the relationship and is more than happy to continue this arrangment.
>>377491679
see>>377490540 again

>>377491745
But it does exist. and you're not buying it.

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Why do people even care about piracy, why does it matter if someone paid to play, watch or listen to something. If your biggest concern is that businesses lose profits then you shouldn't worry people who dont buy the game were never going to do it. If you like a game enough then you will buy it thats it, if it doesnt appeal but are curious then why should you waste 80$ to just try it out?

>>377491746
>that image
Me on the right.

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>>377488241
>mfw weeb fags will acually think their jap shits are better looking and more innocent than this

Top part >>377491746
For you >>377491384

>>377491770
That's what some guys say about their wife getting fucked by another man.

>>377491771
exactly, because its free. if piracy didn't exist i would be buying a lot more games, ergo piracy hurts the industry in at least some examples.

>>377491786
Cuter than any Persona girl.

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>>377491702
Kek, so it was on the list. You weebs are pathetic. Though I kind of envy you. Japs still make games that weebs like. Western devs are being retards trying to expand the playerbase.

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>>377491745
when? right at release? 2 months? 6 months? off a cdkey site for half price? the idea is that most people that pirate either arent goign to buy it anyway or are going to go about anyway to get it as cheap as possible

>>377491824
No it doesnt. Because you're not going to buy it. Therefore you are not a market projection.

>>377491813
Yes, cuckolding is the opposite of cuckqueaning, but the underlying dynamic remains basically the same. what's your point?

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>>377491776
It's the faggots who make shitty threads gloating about how they pirated something that spurs these retarded discussions.

I believe in trying before you buy, if there is no demo then pirate the game, play a few hours, and then buy the fucking thing.

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@377491842

Not even worth giving a (You).

>>377491806
which good game sold poorly?

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>>377491659
>you dont have a way...
>post screenshot of the game

>>377491873
No, its the same thing just with a different gender. You're dancing very close to the fire my dude.

>>377491856
I bought nier on steam 2 weeks after it came out
>>377491857
nice circular fucking logic bro

>>377491857
People don't like spending money

If shit can be had for free there's a lot less demand for stuff people have to pay for.

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>>377491659
>game developers bullying an obviously autistic 14 years old kid
I dont know how I feel about this

>>377491610
What is a good game anon and dont say:

> n-n-no way people are just gonna make fun of me, just believe me when I say games are shit o-okay.

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>people actually pay for things

Hell, I haven't even paid taxes in the last 3 years. Fucking nerds.

>>377492023
There is no such thing as a good game lmao

>>377488241
Devs *should* get paid for copies sold. However, the deals they make with publishers are heavily weighted int eh publisher's favor. Where the game needs to sell over a high threshold before the devs see any revenue from the copies being sold.

So if retailers don't buy more copies of the game, because they're not being bought off shelf, then it actually does affect the devs.

>>377491940
so youre talking about a hundred to maybe a couple hundred people like yourself. the majority arent like that

>>377491932
One of the draws of cuckqueaning for us is the playing with fire. Is the jealousy and sexual energy we feel when she sees sleep with, or hears that i've slept with, another woman. The excitement of shaking the relationships foundations to the core is hot. I fail to see how 'dancing with fire' means she'll want to do the same for me. Seriously, there are ~3.5 BILLION women on this planet, you can't lump them all into your label of what a women should be/will do.

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>pirate games
>have enough money to pay for escorts
At least i have games and someone to fuck.

>>377489223
>I do buy games I want to play
nerd

>>377492023
Why would you pretend like you dont know the metrics on which games are rated? New Nier is pretty low on just about every scale imaginable. No amount of 2B ass can cover for that.

>>377492085
pure speculation. also I personally have 3 friends who bought nier because it wasn't cracked yet. So including myself, I know 4 people who wouldn't have bought a game if it was cracked. which is a whole 3.33% of your estimation, personally I would put it at a couple thousand. Regardless, people not buying the game who otherwise would have because of piracy is indeed hurting the industry, but now all we have to discuss is the degree.

>>377492264
>hurting the industry
>industry
Fucking this.
Hurting a multimillionary industry when some old suit stackholders get like 90% of the money, and the rest has only salt as payment.

This is why we need another crash, to sent videogames to obscurity again, or at least the good part of it, and leave connect 3 for the retards.

>>377491927
Nigga srsly

Okami
Okamiden
Dragon Quest Monsters
Any DQ game in North America
Jet Set Radio
E.D.F. 2017
RythmHeaven MegaMix
No More Heroes 2
Ace Attorney franchise

Lots of games are overlooked for a myriad of reasons, but plenty of them are really good.

>>377492342
Whether or not it is good to hurt the industry is a completely different conversation.

>>377492390
Thats your best examples of "good games" that sold poorly lol ok

>>377489740

I'm about blow you the fuck out so hard.

Movies are NOTHING like games in terms of how they make money. Movie producer puts money into movie. Director makes movie. The intent of a movie is to make back the cost of production and marketing back at theaters. A good movie makes more than double that cost. The vast majority of movies aren't pirated until after a Blu-ray/DVD/Streaming release. So movies aren't pirated until AFTER the profit is already made.

Videogames don't have theaters. Videogames go directly from production and marketing to pirateable formats. So yes, pirating DOES affect a games profitability. If a game is pirated 500k times, that's 500k sales that didn't happen and millions of dollars that don't go to publishers/devs for a product they put work into.

>>377488782

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Fucking

Poorfags

Mang

>>377492264
thousands is just speculation. and youre basing it off your 4 friends? I know no one that bought that game, does that mean im more right than you?

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>>377492465
I could go full reddit and say Earthbound

Also I assumed that as soon as I posted a list of games someone would say they were shit. I knew it.

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>>377492465

>>377491659
>n-no that's rude
>I forbid you to enjoy our game if you don't give us money D:

>>377492595
Like I said, that's besides the point.

>>377492608
If I don't act contrarian and say everything is shit how will I fit in here?

>>377492515
500k downloads doesnt mean those 500k people could AFFORD to buy it. you cant count it as lost sales, its just not how economics logic works

>>377492689
Economics is just a meme, you're wrong.

>>377492648
so it either negligebly hurts the industry or it minorly hurts thte industry. because based of the number of downloads ive seen for games, they never really reach very high numbers, like 500k, from any website ive seen anyway

>>377492689
It's unreasonable to assume all 500k downloaders would be completely unable and unwilling to pay if it weren't available for free. So there is still a percentage lost.

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>>377488241
>studio relies on investments to bankroll game development, which can take years
>stores buy stock of game to sell
>pirates get game illegally, decreasing potential sales by the millions
>stores don't order more of a game because they aren't running out of stock
>investors don't see the ROI expected
>game studio loses investors, struggles to develop future titles
That's how piracy kills game developers. You're welcome, kid. Get a fucking job.

>>377492670
Fuck. You're right. I don't know.

>>377492875
its more unreasonably to say because people got something for free they would also be willing to pay for it. my argument is that most people wouldnt pay for it if it waasnt free.

>>377492689
Are those 500k all brazilians? What is stopping them from being patient and save till they can buy it, if they are that poor or simply need the money for something else then why are they wasting their time playing video games instead of working. Anyways it is still a lost sale.

>>377492790
Meme is a meme

>>377492814
500k is a huge number. what the hell are you smoking.

>>377492896
/thread

>>377492985
its not a lost sale.

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>>377488241
Yes, but those unmoved copies mean the stores aren't buying more copies from the publishers/developers meaning they're losing sales that they'd otherwise make if those copies sold.

That said, I don't give a flying fuck. I have no moral obligation to blindly buy your game. If a shitty game is made, it doesn't deserve blind sales or otherwise. Your game can rot. If your game is good then I'll buy it after trying and forming my own opinion. Yes moralfags I realize I don't represent all piratefags but that's how I do it.

Guess what though, games that have a demo that ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THE REAL GAME, I never have to pirate. I can make my judgements based on what I play because the devs were INTELLIGENT ENOUGH to let people try to avoid piracy. I will never ever in my life trust a reviewer that you've paid off to ignore a games faults.

Make a good fucking game or fuck off.

>>377492896
Keep on with the story fag.
>big studios die because flop after flop after flop
>games become something that is not a sausage factory of broken political unfinnished shit
>you have more possibilities to have fun

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>>377492896

This is a shit thread so I will ask my question here: is there a way to un-unlock steam achievements? Maybe some third party program that could do it even?

>>377493004
ive never seen a number higher than 2k

>>377492896
>pirates get game illegally, decreasing potential sales by the millions

There's the fallacy. Piracy is not always indicative of lost sales.

>>377492982
If you want something enough to pirate it you probably want it enough to spend a few bucks on it. Wanting something usually isn't totally dependant on price.

And I don't disagree that maybe most people wouldn't pay if they had to, but even if 1/10 people did pay that would be significant enough.

>>377493125
I mean most of the piracy comes from south america and asia so perhaps you arent looking at the right places.

>>377489740

>"come up with your own opinion but only as long as you agree with me!!"

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>>377493125
this is on a private torrent site. That number on the right is the number of people who downloaded. This website has 10k users max at any given moment

>>377493192
Piracy is always indicative of lost sales, you fucking retard.
>b-b-b-but I wouldn't have bought the game anyway
It doesn't matter. A percentage of piracy is always an indication of lost sales.

>>377493074
>>377492342
>Its about hurting the MAAAAAAAAAAAAHN, man

This thread is hilarious, because I guarantee that every single one of the morons arguing in favor of piracy are Trumptard alt-right shits. They have no idea how the economy or businesses actually work.

>>377493192
It isn't always a lost sale but when the scale is in the 10k+. Chances are a considerable number of those people would've bought the game.

>tfw agree piracy is bad but do it anyway

>>377493360
I'm pretty sure the opposite is true

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>>377493280
>>377493363
There's the fallacy again. You've never lost a sale otherwise because they never woulda bought your game in the first place. If they cant try it they wouldn't of bought it blindly, your fallacy relies on an invisible moralcode forcing users to buy something, and that "moral code"simply doesn't exist for those users.

That aside, relying on blind sales on marketing and forceful hype is 100% of the time a mark of a shit game that doesn't deserve to sell.

>>377493404
At least you make sense


Fuck

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>>377493079
>income tax
>bad

>>377493284
I wonder who is defending the industry...

>>377493471
>being punished for contributing to society
HMMMMMMM REALLY MAKES ME THINK

>>377493280
Only if you also account for additional sales through free marketing from word of mouth, otherwise the picture is incomplete
Good luck with the calculation

>>377493426
No, it isn't. Those arguing that piracy doesn't affect the gaming industry use the same logical fallacies that alt-rightards use to justify their insanely cognitive dissonant beliefs.

Just look at this fucking retard >>377493450

>>377493572
>buzzwords
Can redditors ever form their own opinion?

>>377492390
I don't know thesr games but is there a chance that nobody simply knew of them so nobody bought them?

>>377493572
>Those arguing that piracy doesn't affect the gaming industry use the same logical fallacies that alt-rightards
Sick opinion

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>>377493572
You've done nothing to rebut what I said except run back to your already disproven opinion. Disprove or you've lost.

I'm waitin sunshine.

>>377493404
>tfw don't think piracy is bad and pirate whenever possible
gaming industry = PWNED xD

>>377488241
>There's the fallacy again. You've never lost a sale otherwise because they never woulda bought your game in the first place.
Lecturing us on a fallacy when you're operating under an entirely false premise.

50k people pirate a game
>none of those people would've bought it
>n-n-never ever

Are you fucking delusional?

>>377493554
You are contributing by paying tax, which pays for the running of the country

>>377493662
I don't even know who you are lmfao

>>377493679
Show me the money they were going to use to buy it. Oh, it doesn't exist? Why would you account for something that doesn't exist?

>>377493685
Pretty sure everything within the country is the country.The difference is the lack of choice when my money is being stolen.

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This is >>377493679
For you >>377493450
God dammit

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>>377493679
Yes, because those users pirate it to pirate it. Whether or not they buy it later is up to them entirely. Your argument ONCE AGAIN is based entirely around a FALSE ASSUMPTION that they'll be forced to buy the game. They don't have to. And this is especially true for the ones that use piracy to demo a game to see if its worth money.

You've concentrated on the things in my argument that you don't like and wormed your way around the facts I posted because it inconveniences you. How about you accept that you've lost. You've already adhominem'd yourself into a hole.

>>>/out/
While you have some dignity left moralfaggot.

>>377493768
Have a (you)

What's a good movie to watch? I'm not big on horror/slasher films but most anything else will do.

>>377493737
Wow theyre completely poor but have capable PCs and spend their valuable time playing games xD

>>377493679
>Are you fucking delusional?
Yeah, they're completely delusional. They will also use this same lack of critical thought to cast their votes for your country's government policies. The world would literally be a better place if we could round them all up and kill them.

>>377493808
Have you ever been to an undeveloped country? America isnt the world.

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>>377491096
now you realize that putting denuvo wont make game successful, just like releasing game without drm the most pirated game ever, people buy good games

Who the fuck cares? Unless you work for the company none of you should be bitching about people who torrent.

>>377493793
Yeah, sure thing asshole.I was just posting a meme.I never actually said i think there should be 0 taxes, but it is technically theft.

>>377493869
Paid or unpaid fanboys.

>>377493875
>someone makes you a sandwich
>you pay for it
>THIS IS TECHNICALLY THEFT
Do you even know what a country is, moron?

>>377493805
Good Bad Ugly

>>377493792
The assumption I'm making is that in a situation in which people are unable to pirate a game that they want. More of those people would buy it. I'm in no way arguing about the morality of piracy or pirating a game before buying it.

i pirate because i want free game

>>377493705
>this fucking exposed
Holy shit you should apologize to that anon if you want your dignity back

>>377488241
Although you are not stealing a product, you are still using something meant to be payed for without paying for it and nobody payed for it. It has the same effect as borrowing a friend's game financially but is still morally incorrect.

That's the best way I can put it.

>>377488241
I'm not going to be the one to say that pirating is good or bad, but for every person that plays the game without paying for it, a sale is lost. Sure, plenty of people make the claim that if they had to pay for it, they wouldn't play the game, anyways, but that's a lie for the vast majority of gamers. You don't build a $1000+ machine and then use it for word processing.

And, again, I don't have any issue with people pirating games. Doesn't effect me at all. That said, I can completely understand why, because of this, game developers pay for anti-piracy measures. Many of the people who pirate games turn around and accuse the game devs of treating the customers like they are guilty, but if nobody ever pirated, anti-pirate software wouldn't be needed.

Basically, everyone who games on PC is either a pirate themselves, or knows how rampant piracy is in comparison to consoles. You can't be upset that video game companies take steps to protect their intellectual property without being upset at the people who are making them react in that fashion.

Personally, I'm amazed that people actually put their games on PC at all. Speaking to people on this board, there isn't a single group that comes off as more spoiled and entitled than people who game on PC exclusively.

We have this fucking thread every fucking day and every day it reaches bump limit. God, i fucking hate this board.

>Games don't sell for money
>Distributors don't want to buy and publishers don't want to sponsor
>Game developer either has to make generic trash thats popular or close down

>>377488241
And if the distributor has a big surplus of games they're not able to sell, don't you think they're gonna buy less units for the next game that comes out? God damn you're stupid.

it's only stealing if the person pirating the game would otherwise buy it when given no other options of acquiring it
which is almost never the case

>>377491278
are you seriously having a moral crisis over a 17 year old girl you fucking faggot? HURR IM 19. just fucking kill yourself.

>>377494559
That's a big claim to make without any evidence to support it.

>>377494559

Yeah I don't think you can justify not being able to fford £50
The shitty business practices are partially pirates falt since developers have to milk thier shitty game dry as its the only way to make good money from gaming

AAA studio devs get nothing from sales, they're paid (poorly) during development and their contracts expire when the game is done. If piracy hurts someone, it's self-publishing devs.

>>377494635
Or they could just not release it for PC, and, when questioned why, say "Piracy is rampant on that platform, so we are sticking to consoles."

Do that for enough games that people care about, and you'll watch the PC industry die off (and then Gabe will actually have to make something worthwhile, like HL3).

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>>377494559
>I wouldn't have bought this book
>so if I take it without permission, it isn't stealing

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>>377494764
So a libraries are torrent sites?

>>377494764
I'm not pro or anti-piracy, but isn't that what a library is? You borrowing someone else's copy of a book for a while? I mean, you can even scan every single page so that you can reread it at your leisure.

>>377494842
>>377494848
Libraries get permission, you absolute retards.

>>377490304
Musicians make very little money off of CD/mp3 sales these days. It's all off of concerts now

>>377488241
I pirate too but holy shit stop it with the pretentious "piracy is neutral/good for business" bullshit.

>>377491927
hitman

>>377494902
paid permission?
There is no money route there...

I fully expect capitalism to turn libraries into a business within 20 years.

>>377488241
Where is her porn?

>>377494951
She looks a little young for porn, dude.

>>377494848
>>377494842
yes, libraries are to books what torrent sites are to games
while it's not the author's / video game developer's goal to produce books/games that are 'rented', it helps them if anything, and certainly doesn't hurt them, UNLESS people would otherwise buy it if there were no libraries or torrent sites. which is rarely the case as I said

>>377494947

You pay a fine if the books damaged or late

Piracy is lot harder these days than back in the day
CoD4 MP could be played pirated

Do all you folks pirate using a VPN or is it not really needed? Asking for a friend

>>377495045
>>377495031
So this are the new food analogies?
Do libraries exit still?

>>377494985
What are you talking about? Most girls take the D at 13

>>377495031
How does someone borrowing their book from a library help them?

>>377495086
Never, but my ISP gives no fucks about what do i do with the connection unlike other places, now even more with no more net neutrality.
Also, i use mega links, way faster and more reliable, torrents are my last chance actually since most of the shit i look for is old.

>>377495165
Neat. Doesn't mean they can get into porn.

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>>377494358
I'm not even sure why this is a debate considering the right way to do it is really easy
>pirate all games demo-style
>pay for good games to support devs
>don't pay for shit games to not support bad/shady devs
There, you not only saved money but also did your part to make the industry better.

>>377495195
See I'm a britbong and ISPs have been court ordered to shutdown all of the popular torrent sites so I don't even know where to begin - I mean my friend doesn't even know where to begin - without a vpn.

And she wants to bring in a "new" regulated internet reeeee

>>377488241
If customers don't buy the product from stores, the stores will be less inclined to buy the next product from that publisher, so the publisher will be less inclined to pay a developer for the creation of the next product.

You don't buy good games so that the developer gets money for them, since they already got paid, that's true. You buy good games so that the developer can keep greating good games.

>>377495190
the book is more likely to gain more popularity
people who borrow books also write book reviews on different sites, recommend books to their friends etc
it's like a free advertisement

>>377495208
>she doesn't have pics with a dick in her mouth saved in her phone

>>377495349
Burden of proof is on the one making the claim that something exists.

>>377495330
At which point they will all go and borrow the book from the library.

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>>377494358
There is nothing much else to talk about, anon.

>>377489303
>My opinion on how things should work is more important than principles whole countries' economies are based upon

>>377495097

No the comparision doesn't even make sense since the gaming equivlent of libraies is renting not piracy

>>377495403
yeah people who hear that X book is right down their alley NEVER buy it after they hear that the people recommending it to them borrowed it from a library
if someone has ever told you you're stupid, they were right

>>377495324
thats not the problem
You can use shit like hidemyass dot com or any other simple free proxy page that mask the URL good enough to bypass it and get the torrent file to use.
The thing is if your ISP sniffs the torrents you are downloading because its a torrent.
And you end up like those few fools that have to pay like 5 millions because of a fucking music track, wich where in britland if i remember it right.
Thats also why you should find mega (any site actually) links.
If the stuff is the same as i remember, the EU versions of the game use to have english and other languages, one of them, spanish, and like some anon said before, latin america is where piracy is at, so you find EU mega links of the game you want, and you basically have the EU version with britain english in it.

>>377495525
Wife is actually part of a book club. They all have ereaders and just use the "borrow" thing that libraries offer. Never even have to drive anywhere.

>>377491842
That picture... I can't say much, I was part of that crowd once. Never like this though. Come on, dude, those shoes would just slow you down if you could actually use those.

>>377493471
I mean, I certainly don't like it. I tolerate it, knowing it does some good, but I'd be happy with another system that worked just as well just because I don't relish the idea of earning money only to have it taken back from me for earning money.

>>377495797
Plenty of states get by without income tax. Federal government could, as well. They would just need to switch to sales tax only (but then everyone would know how much they are getting fucked when they vote for all dem programs).

>>377495621
Alright thanks friend, given my shitty job I don't really have 5 million to hand because I downloaded an old game. I'll start searching MEGA - I figure I better start hoarding now just in case Theresa wins and steals the internet.

>>377493450
Look, that is patently untrue. I'll openly admit to not buying games way back when just because I could get them for free. I could afford them, would have bought them, but didn't because they could be gotten for free. THAT is a lost sale. I've fixed my ways and have purchased many of these games in the decades since when I was able to support the developers somehow or when I found a good deal from someone selling the game (paying them back for their own purchase of the game).

This concept isn't difficult, it's just convenient and reassuring to think of piracy as anything other than (mostly) teenagers wanting free shit instead of having to pay for it.

>You wouldn't download a car
Hell yes we would all download a car if we could.

>>377495708
cool
doesn't change the fact that most people who buy books have previously borrowed an earlier book of the same author, got a recommendation from a person who had borrowed it, or even pirated it
it's the same with video games and piracy
it works exactly like an advertisement that the developed doesn't even pay for (or pays a little bit in losses, but gains from it in the end)

>>377495920
Theresa is going to win. It's not even a question at this point. Blame Jeremy Corbyn and his retarded supporters for that.

>>377496116
How many games have you purchased the last 2 years? How many have you pirated in the same time frame?

If you haven't purchased more than you've pirated, then your argument carries no weight, even in a personal sense.

>>377495920
Dont know if the same rules of blocking goes for search results.
So you also better use a URL maked proxy to do the search since they also could DNS block the access to some of the sites because they became known enough.

>Buy a few games a year
>Be so poor you can't afford to buy anything else
>your pirating more games is no longer hurting the industry,because you have no scope to buy more
>they'd be getting the same $$$ from you if you pirated or not

>>377496192
>If you haven't purchased more than you've pirated, then your argument carries no weight
Yeah this limitation you imposed has no basis in anything. Justify it or fuck off.

>>377496192
In the past 2 years I've pirated 0 video games and bought like 50, half of which were games I pirated at one point when I was still pirating games and really enjoyed, so I decided to finally pay for them
maybe I'm not a good example of an average gamer

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>>377496446
>maybe I'm not a good example of an average gamer
>I've pirated 0 gaems
>half of wich i pirated

You are the best example we had so far with.
>>377493404

>>377496446
So you pirate games when they are new, and if you like them, you purchase them when they get cheap and replay them?

Not him, but why on earth would you do that?

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Ask me any piracy related question and I will answer it as honestly as possible

>>377496587
If you get sued for your piracy, what address will the send the letters to?

>>377496616
I already have been
its not fun
next question

>>377496587
If I torrent Dying Light The Enhanced Edition from GOG without a VPN, will BT send me an angry email and will I get fined?

>>377496690
You didn't answer the question.

>>377496690
i asked you your address fucking retard

>>377496720
>>377496710
unrelated to piracy
also they dont send letters, they go to you. Letters are a warning
>>377496709
No unless you admit to it and they give enough of a shit to do something about it

Piracy brought me in contact with franchises I would've never thought of buying. Yet after trying them out I actually did buy some of them. If anything piracy got them more sales.

>>377496801
It was totally related to piracty. I'm not even him, but that was a piracy-related question.

>>377496562
that's not what I said. if that's an assumption, it's wrong
I used to pirate a lot of games but stopped doing so. now if I want to play a game I buy it. sometimes I come across a game which I remember playing and enjoying and decide to buy it for whatever price it's currently sold for
I wouldn't have bought those games a few years ago. me pirating games in the past helped developers if anything.
like I said maybe I'm not the average gamer but I know plenty of people who do a similar thing to me and have started paying for video games after they had started making money

>>377496952
the answer is - they just go to you
they dont send letters if they want you.

now on the other hand if they want you to fuck off, then they send letters to your current residence

>>377497019
Since you got letters, what was the address they used to reach you when they wanted you to stop pirating?

>>377497136
i didnt get letters anon
i got officers

>>377497236
Then how do you know that they sometimes send letters?

>>377497435
friends have gotten letters. usually a letter is sent in a minor cases but extreme cases (like over a tb per month) will get more than a letter

>>377488567
most AAA games are overpriced and barely run correctly and you want over $60 for that with some gimmicky dlc & microtransactions?

>>377497501
Why wouldn't you use a vpn?

>>377497542
>paying for a vpn
>to pirate
>spending money
>to get free shit
anon

>>377497590
>"5 dollars per month to save hundreds of dollars on literal terrabytes of games/movies is just too much money. Better to just risk getting caught."
Ah. So you're retarded then.

>>377488782
this. fuck all corporations. they havent done shit for me.

>>377498325
Well, they tend to finance the games I play, so they do plenty for me.

Also, I work for one.

>>377491031
Based!

>>377489135
>Morally
Why the fuck would you use that word you dense twat?
>>377489104
Objectively
No, LITERALLY. it is LITERALLY stealing.

You are getting something that someone is selling for free without the owners consent.

That is the definition of stealing.

The only thing worse than a thief is a thief that think they are aren't doing anything wrong. I have more respect for pirates that do it because they can and there's no reason not to.
Faggots like you though
>Just trying it before I buy it
>Don't want to support the devs/pubs
>Not worth the money
>Just a copy
>Didn't lose a sale.
And all the other bullshit mental gymnastics you retards do to convince yourself it's not stealing or illegal is the most pathetic thing in the whole arguement.

Grow a set of testicles and just accept it's theft, because it is. regardless of how you try and spin it.

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>>377491610

>>377492025
Have fun starving or getting caught by plice if you manage to get food without seller's permission. In a world without money, people will do anything they want and it will be Sodom and Ghamorah. Money is gift from God!

>>377488567
I work, earn very good money, live by myself in a house I pay for, and I pirate videogames.

>>377499459
Traitor of humanity!

>>377499259
I can go on google images RIGHT NOW and look at copies of the mona lisa. You gonna call me a pirate?

>>377499259
prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that me copying your computer hard drive, without your consent, is stealing

>>377491610
nier is the only good game released this year

>>377490057
Then cause Bethesda lost a shit ton of money no one trusts Arkane to create a solid product anymore, so they don't get any more work

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>>377493072
yea, its a shame that piracy is the only option for "try before buy" nowadays, devs\publishers are scared to spook potential buyer.

Its funny even, somebody cant make a proper presentation of their game for the consumer because they are afraid of potential profit loss, chances that demo wont work in intended way on every machine - wont highlight selling points of game, there also a much cheaper way now, media: paid reviews and streamers, big promotion events, pre rendered trailers, etc.

And on other hand we have an early access beta\alpha shit where games are so far from complete its ridiculous, and yet people buy it because "its in development process, it needs our money\our support" bullshit, some ones go other way and release an complete product but says "its in beta, we are looking in ways to improve the game, so dont expect to be everything polished" ask a price for it like previous ones, and after that also puts mtx.

i dont like the way of thinking "why should i buy it if can get it for free" or "its nice game but no point buying it since i already got it" but stuff after stuff that i mentioned, i really cant be mad on piratefags.

>>377499775
The Mona Lisa isn't under exclusivity or copyright.

>>377499849
He's not a content creator by having storage. He has no copyright law covering "anon's random digital content from the internet".

>>377501596
>because he doesn't have a copyright, it can't be infringed
you're making a case for copyright infringement , not stealing. so it's implied that copying without permission is copyright infringement and not stealing. thanks for clearing that up.

>>377499849
>>377499775
You two are fucking retards.

Art counterfeiting exists and is stealing.
I'm not selling the content on my hard drive either.

Dumb cunts you might aswell do a food analogy.

>>377501740
Guess what copyright laws are used for you fucking retard.

>>377501807
nice argument, fucking moron. your drive, and the data on it i'd assume, have value to you. it's not stealing to copy it.

>>377501807
copyright laws are used to prosecute COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. not stealing

>>377493864
Nothing's claiming Denuvo makes games successful, but if they can window out piracy, the early purchases can definitely make a margin on whatever the cost of Denuvo is.

The DRM is really early in its development, and some games apparently haven't been cracked still. If they lock down the methods causing this smoothly, games have a really nice gate to advance gaming critique and exactly what is asked/shown with games. It's really simple to figure out what would make a purchase the go-to over another title, especially in the same genre. There are so many games per genre, that playing something fresh is often the best route; and what's fresh is common knowledge.

>>377501740
Then give evidence they're exclusive, because you're making a logical jump there. You're trying to equate copying random storage, to copying development files for complete access to a business product. Which harddrives differ in the level of impact, and your argument becomes null.

>>377502036
This "copyright infringement is not stealing" is absolutely unhelpful. What readers often get from that is that you're defending copyright infringement, not that you're trying to lay claim to some legal jargon -- semantics.

>>377502351
..And there really is logic to "morals". It's the inherent negative association with things like stealing. It's OK to discuss it as such because they have the same negative implications, and that's exactly what's being argued.

>>377502550
Furthremore, the negative association is of standards. If piracy really was non-existent, demogrpahics would come to make more money, learn to critique games accurately, or would find a journey to make a fresh product in a niche they haven't found. Game development is literally free

why even argue about the morals of piracy
everyone is gonna pirate either way

>>377502550
morals are subjective, what applies to you doesn't apply to me or communities and cultures not your own
>>377502651
source on those claims?

>>377488241
The things I would do to this girl.

Why does she look so happy ?

Does she think the police will stop me for what I'm about to do ?

>>377488241
holy shit, she'll never age past 13.

>>377491650
>hey do you know the answer to X?
>yes, the answer is this: Y
>nah bro you're wrong, i know its B

not even that guy but fucking KYS

>>377502706
>>377502783
Because the morals have an objective basis.. it's why they're known as morals, because they're a parabolic lesson.

The term predates you. You should have an argument if you're going to try to undermine it in conversation. Protip: you probably can't. Piracy being prevented by Denuvo is already a counter.

>source on those claims
That if piracy was unavailable, demographics would have to get gud? A causes B is basic logic.

>>377488241
So you're saying that I should fuck your mom without paying her next time?

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>>377503245

Nothing wrong with pirating, just admit you're stealing and not 'sticking it to the man'

>>377503248
>denuvo prevents illegal torrenting
>games with denuvo sell poorly
really fires my furnaces

yes, source your claims because correlation does not imply causation, and industries with illegal torrenting in them are growing just fine.

>>377503430
meant for >>377503245

>>377503430
I'm pretty sure Denuvo will be an obsolete project in a year or so. Crackers are catching up now.

>>377488567
Developers don't make royalties off sold copies. They've already got their paycheque. What do I care? Good games sell well and create demand for sequels regardless of piracy.

>>377503430
They're not claims with any counter. If you can't experience something that you would like to, you don't have any other options except paying for it, not experiencing it, and/or making something unique.

Denuvo, as stated, is early in its production. We don't have games with sales based on regions with and without the DRM, so there's no method of telling if a game just was unpopular or if it had anything to do with piracy.

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>>377503523
>servers will go offline
>paying customers cant play their games anymore

>>377488241
Pirating is bad for everyone except the pirate, no matter how you look at it or attempt to justify it.

My favorite argument is "b-b-but I pirate to try it and if I like the game I buy it!"

Bullshit. Everyone that says that is lying. I have a pirated copy of Mount and Blade. It is currently FREE on GOG and I STILL wont download the legit free copy because why would I? I already have the game.

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>>377503863
>identity politics

>>377488241
If you pirate it, publisher don't pay developers cause distributors don't want a lot of copies since they don't sell that much. More copies you ask, more income they have and more money they will invest in videogames.
>>377488567
This is how western work. And guess what? They sell a lot with bad, short and glitchy stuff like CoD or AC. But their game are shit. There is a big difference between "running a business" and "being a jew". What's you are saying, IT'S being a jew.

It's not killing other major industries, like film or music.
Why is vidya different? Like fuck, it doesn't help the industry, but it's still going strong as FUCK