Does Smash Bros. pose a legitimate threat to society, /v/?
Who is this faggot and why does he hate fun?
>smash bros. spreads a message that violence solves confli
That's it I'm done. I'm fucking done. I don't want to be on this ride anymore, this is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
This has gone past the level of being a plain old "SJW," and has become the musings of a jen-yoo-eye'n sociopath with no grounding in the real world whatsoever. We are long past the point of ever listening to a word that this mongol blithers out of his disgusting maw, let alone taking him seriously.
I still don't understand why game sites take him seriously
Schafer appeared in his fucking video, for chrissakes
Hahahaha oh wow. Anyone take this guy seriously any more (that matters, Anita doesn't count).
I remember that my habit of curling up into a ball and spindashing into others started with me playing Sonic 2 on the Sega.
Why video games/comics/cartoons are filled with these radicals?
I mean, I would have understood literature or even fucking TV shows but video games and cartoons? What does a video game have anything to do with social, gender or race issues?
I love this guy.
He's like at the center of the SJW game movement, the creator of it all.
And he is absolutely fucking batshit crazy.
I love it. Hope he gets more publicity so that people realize who they are rooting for.
You gave this guy power /v/
You made his anita puppet famous
A true paragon of free speech, that lad
I'm convinced it all goes back to the fact that video games are not yet on the same 'level' as movies and books. To us, yes, but to the majority of the public, including the media, hell no.
Just look at The Interview. People were demanding for this film, which at the end of a day is a comedy about a plot to kill someone, to come out as a principle of free speech and not to be silenced. Just a month or so prior, GTA5 gets pulled from some shelves in Australia because of some bullshit reasoning and no one really cares.
This makes video games the PERFECT place for SJWs to plant their ideas and begin their little revolution. If they tried pulling shit like petitions against movies and books, they are either laughed out or completely ignored, because of how those media are treated. You try convincing everyone that adult human beings will develop violent tendencies because they watched The Raid or Transformers or something and everyone will think you're nuts. But because it's video games, they can get away with this shit. I know I was a bit circular with my argument, but I hope I got the point across.
>You gave this guy power /v/
>You made his anita puppet famous
It was Twitter and Tumblr the ones who stirred shit with these two as their frontheads.
I didn't know making fun of somebody on 4chan actually made them famous worldwide.
Your concern is just to bring discomfort, my friend~
And your policy is just a little red~
>Why are mutants, zombies, robots, aliens and nazis so popular as game baddies? Because they can all be slaughtered en masse without empathy
He is actually saying we should have empathy of the nazis?
Because i find that pretty funny
That guy sounds like he's impossible to get along with. Like everyone fucking hates it when he decides to join in on a conversation at parties.
>violence solves conflict
Yes, in a fighting contest violence solves conflict.
Also, chess promotes the idea that moving stuff solves conflict. How fucked up is that?
Most SJW sound like they're grasping at straws in their critiques, but McIntosh is just way beyond that. Everything he says is nothing short of bananas, and I'm pretty sure that if he read this he'd point out how I made use of a figure of speech that features a phallic shape. "Very telling indeed".
>Also, chess promotes the idea that moving stuff solves conflict. How fucked up is that?
One of the pilars of the patriarchy is control!
And patriarchy is the reason the King piece is the important one, not the Queen!
Chees is a patriarchy brainwashing tool
Lowest hanging fruit and all that
Also, dead-end game "journos" who are desperate to prove their line of work isn't pathetic. They want to show it as "adult" and as such they start grasping for any straw available.
>murdering THESE specific things en masse is OK but murdering THESE specific things en masse is horrible!
Either don't put any limits on what you can frag in video games or go all the way you fucking idiot.
>Current rules of chess
>"The king is the most important piece despite the queen being clearly being the most capable unit in the game, this is clearly the view of male pigs who want to be in control"
>If the roles were reversed
>"How come the queen is seen as a figure to be protected by every unit while the king can freely go and display his skills as a warrior? The queen is just as capable of doing the same, this is the most disgusting example of the patriarchy I have ever seen!"
>most of what he says is perfectly sane on its own
Yes, that's the problem. He posts the most trivial, inane shit, then incorporates a batshit conclusion.
>why is it that we think the goal of Pong is to get the ball past the other player rather than work together to keep the ball moving forever
>in case you couldn't tell, the ball is the welfare of the proletariat
Because we didn't follow fools gold.
>implying this entire thing isn't just because chucklefucks on the internet think it's funny to go around attacking/harassing/whateverthefuckyouwannacallit people because they can and no one can do anything about it so there is more solidarity amongst friends of people who are on the receiving end of that.
I guarantee you that's all it fucking is.
>trolls go around being inflammatory
>people get upset
>people get mad that people act that way
>Why are mutants, zombies, robots, aliens, and nazis so popular as game baddies? Because they can all be slaughtered en masse without empathy.
Well, he has a point there. I mean the same people who love games like Call of Duty and GTA thought Hatred was horrible and immoral because the enemies were ordinary people and not cartoonish terrorists or nazis or some shit like that.
Except "zombies, mutants, aliens and nazis" in videogames are the same 0 and 1 that "humans" and nobody gives a shit about running over people in GTA, nor do they give a shit about running over zombies in the censored version of Carmaggedon.
Because they aren't real you dipshit
Plus you can kill Hitler in videogames, and Hitler was a nazi, so he is basically saying you should feel guilty for killing Hitler, you monster
Aw shit man, I could actually see him saying that
What you have to understand is that when he kills Hitler in a video game, he's killing Hitler, but when "gamers" kill Hitler in a video game, they're killing the guy who killed Hitler.
The problem is that they presume a deeper message, then manipulate and misrepresent the evidence to support that conclusion.
I mean this guy tried to find a message in baneposting and bateman. It's not just because we find it funny and funny things catch on, we must agree with them on a certain deeper level
>not having empathy for the good guys
>Muh zombies, mutants, robots and niggers did nuthing wrong
We get games censored to that because Games are children toys.
I wonder how much bitching McIntosh will have if he discovers that.
But there is no "conflict" in SSB, it's like saying there's "conflict" in boxing and fencing.
And if you believe that violence is bad, then I suggest fucking off to a different universe, when violent absorption of other systems and reproduction aren't the two main goals of life.
I'm pretty sure this is 4chan's mascot.
Thank God Ben is here to stop those communist propagandists
Blue shells don't make the game fair. All they do is reinforce the fact that there has to be a winner. I hope one day Nintendo will see the light and make a Mario Kart game where you just cruise freely around the tracks - following the speed limit and traffic laws, of course.
The brits and americans bombed in retaliation from the horrible blitz by the cruel aggressor nation of nazi germany. The soviets raped in revenge over having been stabbed in the back by the nazis. Both are justifiable.
I get the hate for this but I do think it's interesting that videogames (heck, games in general) most often rely on conflict in order to be enjoyable.
I'm not saying as a general rule of thumb it's not true (freely admit that all the games I enjoy most involve conflict). I'm not even saying this is a bad thing. It just means that it's slightly refreshing to play a game that doesn't rely on having to shoot/beat the shit out of someone I guess.
pic related, I know it's not vidya but I like card games and we played this with a bunch of us the other week, it was bizarre to have a group game where the goal is just to help each other.
>we shouldn't allow hate speech
Are these people insane? Don't they realize that they're suggesting removing THE fundamental building block of western civilization, free speech?
>I get the hate for this but I do think it's interesting that videogames (heck, games in general) most often rely on conflict in order to be enjoyable.
What games don't? The entire point of a game is conflict. Sports, board games, hide and seek, whatever you want. A game is a contest.
>a game created in a communist dicatorship looks and sounds like a game created in a communist dictatorship
>hurrr I'm a cultural critic of new media, recklessly analyzing hidden biases in political messages in artistic interactive digital works
good fucking lord
I don't think this one has been posted yet, hot off the presses
> You try convincing everyone that adult human beings will develop violent tendencies because they watched The Raid or Transformers or something and everyone will think you're nuts.
Although passed uncut for UK cinemas in December 1971, British authorities considered the sexual violence in the film to be extreme. In March 1972, during the trial of a fourteen-year-old male accused of the manslaughter of a classmate, the prosecutor referred to A Clockwork Orange, suggesting that the film had a macabre relevance to the case. The film was also linked to the murder of an elderly vagrant by a 16-year-old boy in Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, who pleaded guilty after telling police that friends had told him of the film "and the beating up of an old boy like this one." Roger Gray QC, for the defence, told the court that "the link between this crime and sensational literature, particularly A Clockwork Orange, is established beyond reasonable doubt". The press also blamed the film for a rape in which the attackers sang "Singin' in the Rain" as "Singin' in the Rape". Christiane Kubrick, the director's wife, has said that the family received threats and had protesters outside their home.
Subsequently, Kubrick asked Warner Brothers to withdraw the film from British distribution. In response to allegations that the film was responsible for copycat violence Kubrick stated: "To try and fasten any responsibility on art as the cause of life seems to me to put the case the wrong way around. Art consists of reshaping life, but it does not create life, nor cause life. Furthermore, to attribute powerful suggestive qualities to a film is at odds with the scientifically accepted view that, even after deep hypnosis in a posthypnotic state, people cannot be made to do things which are at odds with their natures."
Games are an interactive medium. You need an incentive to interact with it and put up with its shit for hours and hours. Some games get by purely by offering enjoyable aesthetic experiences, but you can only have so much of that, so most games are based on winning (beating the game, winning matches, etc.). Winning requires some form of conflict, even if it's not violent.
>Thanks to you guys
Bullshit. See >>277285070
Who gives a shit? This isn't about us vs. them. This is about Jonathan McIntosh and, by extension, the people he associates with being fucking wackjobs. You don't need someone famous to vouch for you to recognize when someone is completely insane.
>Dad's home in the San Juan islands
>Plays Diablo 3
>despite preaching about antiviolence and social justice
This single image tells you all you need to know about him
>"Games have been an influential part of my life since I was about 8 years old. My dad would always have a few machines loaded with games for me. When I was about 10, I remember I campaigned for months to convince my parents that the Game Boy was not in fact just for boys. I’ve always been enthusiastic about games." - Anita Sarkeesian, 2013 (http://www.feministfrequency.com/2013/06/full-ign-interview-with-anita-sarkeesian/)
>"I'm not a fan of video games, I had to actually learn a lot about videogames in the process of making this. I would love to play video games, but I don't want to go around shooting people and ripping off their heads, it's just gross." - Anita Sarkeesian, 2010 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afgtd8ZsXzI)
Jesus fucking christ this guy
what is he even suggesting
this is all lining up with his ideas about "indigenous science"
>every single video game has to be 2deep4u bullshit
>think that he'll claim tetris has a deeper meaning
>read the follow up tweets and he actually fucking does
I want off the ride.
>play a fighting game
>complain that the core gameplay revolves around fighting
McIntosh, ladies in gentlemen.
Seriously though, Anon. Stop giving this nutjob any attention. There's a lot of vocal, stupid people in the world.
I know Tropico has limited resources, soil degradation, environmental happiness, pollution, etc. which punish excessive exploitation. So yeah, of course you build farms and mine and so on, but you also invest in reforestation, water treatment plants, etc.
Bateman only represents
that it's hip to be square.
Yeah it is about is and them. It's SJW retards voicing off of Twitter and YouTube, against people also on that social media telling them they're insane retards. Just as we want to know who the bad guys are, we should want to know who the guys on our side are.
UGH!! Like, NO! They're all the same! it's so creepy and like gross???
I can't think of a single game that does this. In no civilization game is there anything to suggest you're exploiting the environment, quite the contrary actually since you have the same tiles for thousands of years so if you didn't utilize them correctly you wouldn't keep getting the resources, and i've never seen a game where you can frack, or strip mine, or do something actually harmful to the environment.
Unless the very act of using resources is exploitation, in which case eating, drinking, and having a roof above your head all make you a terrible person.
>it's casual normalfags perpetrating it
No, it's SJWs who flocked to 4chan after moot removed GG.
They've been pushing a "/v/ never cared about shitty journalism" narrative every time there's a Kotaku thread, despite /v/ having Kotaku hate threads years before GG was even a thing.
>Feminism experts do not feel superior. However we are in a better position to judge the quality of games than most.
I have real trouble believing that anyone could say this seriously. This has to be tongue-in-cheek because it's so obviously contradictory, right?
How on earth is twitter so good at bringing out the inner ugliness in people?
It's like broadcasting your thoughts onto the entire web.
we've said it a million times already
Anything's possible when you go full mcintosh
>Exploit the world in Call to Power or Alpha Centauri
>Planet gets fucked which damages your civilization
>Sea level rises, fucking you over
>You could argue a point of the gameplay is to fit the balance between production and not getting fuck over by mindworms
>Nope. McIntosh isn't that smart too see the connection
Sometimes it's not so bad
Twitter and facebook does prove that identity does not stop people from being assholes compared to anonymity, though
Too bad he opens the conversation with a decent, socially accepted idea, then goes off the deep end into ranting about how the entire world is out to get women.
Its a nice tactic to get people to join cults.
It's just the typical cultural cringe that's expected from the radical left. They hate the idea of free people in democratic societies having fun and are falling over themselves to defend radical Islam.
yep! I get you. I said "most games".
Games that are both enjoyable and don't involve conflict are still the exception to the rule, and it's cool to have stuff that breaks the mold.
>>277287651 i'd still say those games are maybe less well represented overall. sims, puzzles, more "experience-based" games, like Journey or something don't sell as well as the latewt CoD.
these also happen to be the genres of gaming most often associated with female gamers who are kinda vilified for playing them by some folks
also if you genuinely think a game can't be fun and involve no actual conflict, i'd highly suggest trying Hanabi out *shilling intensifies*
The mentality of us and them is what started this entire mess in the FIRST PLACE, you nut. That was what gave rise to GG, which allowed a central point for McIntosh, Sarkeesian, Alexander, etc. to attack relentlessly with rhetoric and propoganda. As soon as you attack feminists as a whole group without giving individual attention, you immediately make their point seem valid and they, in a sense, "win."
>As soon as you attack feminists as a whole group without giving individual attention,
No, they retaliated because of individual attention. Against one specific individual. They immediately attacked relentlessly with rhetoric and propaganda.
>more "experience-based" games, like Journey or something don't sell as well as the latewt CoD
>conceptual / aesthetic experiences don't sell as well as entertainment
Stop the presses! Sensation novels are selling more than Pope!
>like Flappy Bird or bejeweled or Solitaire? All non-conflict based games
nigger what are you talking about? All of those games have conflict. It's you against a timer in flappy bird and bejeweled, and you against a deck in solitaire.
This, hot holy damn. GG focused on individuals.
>As soon as you attack feminists as a whole group without giving individual attention
No one ever did that, they just claimed GG did, and people believed them for some weird reason.
You've got that wrong its:
Games will never be art until they're as homogenous as clag!
B-but it was cold war!
>you can control units in an RTS
>That's promoting patriarchal masculinity
Y'know, the guy might actually fit in around here.
>hating american pycho
Shouldn't this dude be eating a bag of baby dicks right now?
So does he want women to have control or no?
>another Jonathan McIntosh thread
>another 250+ replies
>/v/ keeps falling for it
>/v/ will always keep falling for it
>he will never fade into obscurity because /v/ is too terrified of the boogeyman
relax. Lots of people have terrible opinions. Just because one asshole decides to make his terrible opinions public on Twitter doesn't mean anyone's going to take your video games away.
This man is insane. Doesn't he realize that human existence relies on the struggle, relies on conflict to help us grow? In this universe, if we don't face conflict, if we don't challenge ourselves, if we don't overcome our struggles, we will never grow and become stronger, smarter, and better individuals for it. By removing obstacles and conflict from ones life, you weaken them and cause them stagnation.
Consider a child spoiled by their parents, never having to do chores, earn his/her keep or face the concept of rejection. When this person inevitably moves on to the real world, they will be woefully under prepared, weak, and more than likely set up for failure. A child who had to do chores, who had to earn their keep (allowance for example, or a job), who had to realize life does not revolve around them, would be ready to tackle life's challenges like a mature adult.
When it comes to SJWs, I agree with the fight to end institutional racism and sexism. But many, especially those vocal on the internet, take things to far. They seek to remove the obstacles from life that make us stronger as individuals. They are the spoiled children who don't realize that a certain amount of conflict and struggle is necessary for us to grow and mature and to ultimately survive in this world.
and yet how many of us have come out commie pinkos after playing tetris? if anything this only disproves their belief that 'games change our belief structures and we're not aware of it'
>I think we're in urgent need of games that aren't fun
Thanks, I haven't laughed this hard in a while
I want to know how these people are able to live with themselves. Is it because they profit from it? Is it because there are strings being on their backs being tugged at by higher authority? How can somebody actually be like this? Just fucking how. This is absolutely unbelievable.
He didn't have friends growing up, so that caused him to search for reasons why. The reasons he determined were that other people are all awful and he is the only one doing "the right thing", and he has now made it his mission in life to spread his "good deeds" around the internet.
this. its gotten beyond the point of trying to promote controversy. He and his puppet anita had their 15min.
>NOW ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS STOP FUCKING LINKING THEM AND TALKING ABOUT THEM
perceived power and influence. Just because he thinks he's important doesn't mean he can actually affect any change. Right now, SJW shit is a hot button issue, but in a year or so when people have moved on to a new threat, like... I don't know, springs, nothing this guy has said or done will matter in the slightest.
No, /v/ started this shit. /v/ got her into the media spotlight, onto the Colbert show. You idiots can't just ignore these people.
>ignoring doesn't work
Because you haven't tried it yet. Proof being the several McIntosh treads on here daily, hourly even.
If what he says is true, then it'd be a problem
But what he says is uninformed bullshit, capitalism does not ignore morals. However, it holds to a more enlightened truth of "if it's okay to love, then it's okay to hate" while still drawing the line at direct harm (hate is okay, harm is not) such as direct violence or discrimination.
Psh, they're as stupid as SJWs.
Not like me, I shitpost all day on the internet and have no impact on anythig whatsoever.
That'll show them.
nope. These people have no problem inventing enemies to draw media attention, even if it involved lying
>Just because he thinks he's important doesn't mean he can actually affect any change
Australia, nigger. He and his ilk of SJWs and feminists got GTA 5 removed from some stores in Australia. They listened to these fanatics talk. We have to tell everyone we can that they're retards.
Some people just aren't happy unless they're offended by something. This is nothing new. There have always been people who seek out things they can feel offended by and then yell loudly about.
Australia has a ridiculous history with video games. A game like GTA is going to be a target of every group down there, not just SJWs. People were just looking for a reason to complain about violent video games, and these people just happened to be the loudest so people gravitated towards them.