Utena - 20th Anniversary

>>2302771
It wasn't Cross Ange.

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>>2302771
It disturbed me and made me cry. Which was surely the intended effect.

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I really like Juri.

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It only took 25 episodes for Utena to find the fucking elevator.

It'sthe best tv show I've ever seen, including the prestigious American ones about evil middle-aged guys.

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Anthy.

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>>2302771
It's one series I will never tire of rewatching. Also, it's still the top series I find hilarious to recommend to completely unsuspecting anime newcomers and hearing about their complete bafflement later.

ZETTAI UNMEI MOKUSHIROKU.

>>2302771
The nonsensical lyrics in its OST still made the songs enjoyable.

>>2302907
Yeah, definitely baffling.
I usually recommend it with Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei when I want to make people tilt their head to the side and try to understand what they're watching.

I loved the art nouveau aesthetic, the depth and complexity of the characters, and the whole lesbians-dueling-to-krautrock bit.

Probably my favorite show of all time. I hope Anthy has found Utena or at least someone after 20 years.

>>2302946
I just realized how sappy that last bit sounded but I have a lot of Feelings and Baggage connected to the show.

Apologies, /u/.

>>2302771
Did Utena ever find out if Anthy's cunny taste like curry?

>>2302946
The ending implied she'd find her after ten years, didn't it?

I just realized Utena would be 34.

>>2303125
Do you only have a single hand or what?

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Juri badly deserved a cute girlfriend.

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>>2303481
Like Shiori?

>>2303484
Like anyone else other than Shiori.

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>>2303491
But Shiori is cute.

>>2303514
Shirori is that boring straight friend that dykes fall for when they're just figuring out they're gay, that uses and manipulates them. Even Nanami would be a better lay.

>>2303514
Evil isn't cute.

>>2303686
But Shiori isn't straight. That's what makes the situation so messed up.

>>2303686
>boring straight friend
Shiori is gay, though, at least for Juri. She has a love/hate thing going on because she's insecure that Juri is better than her at everything, and the only way to "beat" Juri is to fuck with her emotions.

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>>2302771
Utena is a tough one for me. Marathoning Utena back in 2005 was quite the experience, but even though I enjoyed the series, I still hated the fanbase.

To this day I still despise anything Ikuhara related out of principle.

Also one of the GOAT openings in all of anime. Right up there with Cruel Angel's Thesis and Re-Sublimity

It's hard to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Utena in the light of Kawakami's tragic death.

>>2306755
She'd have probably been happy to know that her most famous role would still be remembered after her death, even outside Japan.

>>2302771
it's my favorite show and made me realize i wanted to kiss girls.

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>>2303484
Maybe if Ruka crossdress...

>>2306836
>bait
what kind of lesbian doesn't understand shiori's complex over juri?

>>2306839
Shiori's complex is a trait that a lot of people have, and i think that her behaivour have nothing to be with sometipe of love for Juri, it's only that she's a toxic whore with a pathetic self-esteem.

>>2306905
I mean, I agree that shiori is a toxic whore with zero self esteem. I just think that part of the reason she's like that is that she's closeted.

>>2303706
Why do you hate the fanbase?

>>2302771
>Shoujo Kakumei Utena is 20 years old today. Say something nice about it.
I hope it will get a yuri remake it deserves in anime form.

Meaning no dicking the MC option and Utena having lesbian sex with other female lead Anthy instead, since times have changed from sad yuri 90s and we can ahve happy yuri time during the anime run.

>>2307194
People like you are exactly the reason why the het sex should stay.

>>2307197
Why?

Utena was good for 90s take on yuri and the whole sad theme of shoujo cliches, but we live now in more accepting times so with that in mind Utena should get a good remake to fit nowadays standards where at least it would not be hidden during anime run that Utena and Anthy had romantic and also sexual feelings for another(I don't speak about the movie).

If you are one of few vocal individuals who think that yuri can't exist without lesbians or bi girls having sex with guys in it them while not having sex with girls too that's your choice.

I prefer to watch yuri works which have yuri romance in it or sex if the work goes into adult territory. It might sound strange but I don't watch or read yuri works for heterosexual drama or sex or romance...

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>>2307223
Utena and Anthy's attraction to each other being subtextual and ambiguous until the end is indeed a 90s thing, and could benefit from being more blatant. The film making their relationship so sexual from the start was probably intended as a corrective to that.

However, Utena's relationship with Akio is a different issue and integral to her development. It's part of her accepting her bisexuality and realizing that having sex with a man, even if it probably wasn't a good idea, doesn't make you a worse person or impure. It's part of her breaking out of Akio's stupid fairytale logic and entering the real world.

And no, that doesn't mean every f/f story should involve sex with guys.

>>2307194
Utena as a story is about growing up and rejecting the patriarchy. Akio is the patriarchy. She goes from fucking with the patriarchy to fucking the patriarchy to saying fuck the patriarchy his sister's hotter.

She can't reject Akio and achieve Revolution without getting caught by his trap. or, more succinctly: everyone fucks akio. that's the whole point of the car. he's a shitty rapist personification, and utena's whole past is tied to his bullshit; by calling herself a prince, she's still buying into the prince/princess dichotomy, still getting fucked by the system, and allowing it to fuck others.

>>2307335
>patriarchy
Stopped reading there.

Am I the only one who has a really knee jerk dislike of Utena despite having never watched it? I really want to, but I can never seem to get past the opening episodes.

>>2307764
watch episode seven. you'll know if the show is for you or not then.

>>2307764
Different strokes for different folks and all that. Utena is far from "mainstream," so it's bound to have a more polarizing effect on it's viewers. I've had a couple friends who sat down and marathoned the series but despite objectively noting how good it was, simply couldn't get into it. That being said, it does have pacing issues and can get awfully repetitive (which the series pokes fun at, so there's some nice 4th wall breakage there) which is part and parcel of many series made back then, but can be understandably frustrating to todays media consumers, whose tv series tend to much tighter and fast-paced. I'd say wait til you're in a good mood to try again, and commit to watching around 8-10 eps. It's surprising how much preconceived notions can affect your viewing - if you go in expecting not to like it, well, you probably aren't.

>>2307764
you could just watch the movie - I know Utena fans will disagree with me, but honestly even though all the characters are pretty flat in the movie and it doesn't get to pull the same kind of interesting reveals, at least the movie is unabashedly yuri, and requires a much smaller time investment

>>2307608
Yet another easily-triggered special snowflake, I see.

>>2308424
The movie is great because it's so gay and because the animation is superior. Try watching a bunch of the anime episodes at once and you'll get sick out of how formulaic they are. Even if you don't watch the whole movie, just watch the Toki ni Ai wa scene.

>>2307194
>remake
Excuse me, I just puked in my mouth a bit. It would end up being as lifeless and boring as the Sailor Moon remake that everyone has erased from memory.

>>2309928
I don't think the show is that formulaic, and certainly not in a bad way. Sure, it is about a ritualized swordfighting tournament, so there's quite a bit of ritualized swordfighting in it, but all those episodes reveal something new about the characters so it never feels like you're watching CSI. Plus, there's lots of episodes with no dueling at all.

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>>2310128
>It's a Nanami episode.

>>2310136
I'll have you know the episode where Anthy tricks Nanami into wearing a cowbell that turns her into an actual cow is a masterpiece.

>>2310139
I preffer the episode about menstruation-metaphor with Nanami laying an egg

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>>2310136

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Hardcover Edition.

>>2312070
Why you advertise a compeltely non-yuri manga on /u/?

Are you a minion of Chiho Saito?

Yuri fans supporting and advertising the non-yuri manga are the worst thing which happened for Utena franchise.

Also pics of men with girls should be not allowed on /u/.

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>>2312188
Well, it came with a poster of Utena x Anthy and the thread is celebrating the twentieth Anniversary of Utena, so piss off. It's only a cover, don't get triggered. The manga still have Anthy and Utena as lovers. Moreover, Saito did apologize for sounding homophobic and said she can perceive the two as a couple thanks to Ikuni.
>>2312188
>Also pics of men with girls should be not allowed on /u/
If you want to watch a Ikuni anime with ALL females, excluding males. Yuri Kuma Arashi is up your alley.

>>2312831
So in your twisted mind these pics from whole manga >>2312837 >>2312842 justify posting Utena x guys cover on /u/?
Bravo, strange logic.
Also please remind me how Utena manga ends if you think that they are romantic lovers in the manga?
You posted two cropped pages about them being friends and have friendship kiss initiated by Anthy while with guys they have romantic ones in Saito own interpretation.
And it was Saito influence which fucked over any kind of romantic Anthy x Utena scenes in the anime of what we know from Ikuhara directly post-anime, so again bravo for advertising such cruel author.

>>2303696
who says so?

>>2313777
I don't think anyone has ever confirmed Shiori's sexuality, but even in canon the subtext is pretty easy to read. Although it being subtextual made the whole Shiori/Juri thing more interesting imo.

Of course, almost every character in the series has gay subtext with another character(s), so...

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I love the drama in this thread

>>2313023
>And it was Saito influence which fucked over any kind of romantic Anthy x Utena scenes in the anime
In what way? Ikuni had full control of the anime. He's been known as someone hard to work with.

Next you'll say the anime is non-yuri because Utena begin to potentially fall in love with Akio, right? Yet, renounced him as Dios when she discovered he isn't her Prince and saved Anthy, regardless. Maybe you need to unsquint your eyes and read between the subtext of their relationship.

Piss off.

>>2313023
>You posted two cropped pages about them being friends
It's the same as in the anime. Not the context of the pictures, however, the word "friend".

In the final episode,
>Akio: It hasn't been that long since then, but everybody's forgotten about her completely.
>Akio: She didn't cause a Revolution after all.
>Akio: Now that she's gone, she was just a dropout to this world.
>Akio: I've got to rebuild the Code of the Rose Signet from scratch.
>Akio: I'm counting on you, Anthy.
>Anthy: You don't know what happened, do you?
>Akio: What?
>Anthy: It's alright now. Please go on playing make-believe "Prince" in this comfortable little coffin forever.
>Anthy: But I must go.
>Akio: Go? To where?
>Anthy: That person hasn't vanished. She's merely left your world.
>Akio: What're you talking about?
>Akio: W-wait a minute! Anthy!
>Akio: Anthy!!
>Anthy: Farewell.
>Anthy: Now it's my turn to go to you.
>Anthy: No matter where you are, I'll find you for sure.
>Anthy: Wait for me, Utena.
>Utena: Hey, if anything is troubling you, tell me about it.
>Utena: I want to be your FRIEND.
>Utena: And someday, with me...
>Anthy: Someday, with you?
>text: "Someday, Shine With Me"
Sure, the viewer can interpret Utena's relationship with Anty as lovers as most often accept it as. Yet, within the series, Utena questioned her relationship with Anthy as teethering toward friends, lovers, or as her bride.

The only exception is the film where they officially kiss during the conclusion of the film as themselves.

>>2313840
Ikuni confirmed Shiori's sexuality in the commentary of the DVDs for episode 17,
>I finally realized the truth
>To think that she loved me back! What a miracle! But...
>"The loser in love is the one who lets their heart be ruled by it."
>Everyone's adopted a provactive attitude toward someone of the opposite sex that they like at least once or twice, to get that person to notice them. So it's alright if I do that.
>This love will crumble if we touch. But when people don't touch, the love eventually dies away.
>That's why I decided to keep your love prisoner. To make sure that you love me forever.
>That game will make our love "eternal." I'm sure of it.
>We were "lovers lost from the beginning."
Safe to say the Shiori x Juri relationship is an allegory for unrequited love.

Moreover, on the healither side, at the end of Utena, Shiori appear to be trying a positive approach to capture Juri's heart, as she can be seen on the sideline watching her fence, smiling and cheering her on. However, as you said, there's the subtext, so it can be interpreted as whichever.

>>2302771
I watched it becuse someone on /u/ wasn advertising it like a bloody salesman.
Don't regret it, finished it within three days, then watched the movie.

>>2317761
I want the friendzone meme to die.

>>2317750
>In what way? Ikuni had full control of the anime. He's been known as someone hard to work with.
So read his interview after anime ended, he states in it clearly that it was Saito influence he couldn't make Anthy and Utena romantic on-screen and had to tone it down, and only in the movie he didn't have to deal with Saito nonsense and we at least got a kiss and no Akio fucking.

Utena manga - non-yuri related, just friends, Utena only romantic partners are guys in it as in proper shoujo story
Utena anime - yuri subtext at best where you can hope they become lovers in some future due to director words after anime ended and that they were romantic couple in anime but he couldn't show it
Utena movie - full yuri content where we know Utena x Anthy are romantic couple of the story

It's easy, you don't need to piss yourself over it so much seeing what you wrote so far in defending and promoting your beloved non-yuri mangaka like Saito and her work of non-yuri manga Utena AU.

>>2318465
the belladonna scene is the most romantic thing ive ever seen and if a girl did that for me id marry her. they get the red spinny rose and everything.

im a different poster tho dont mind me keep arguing

>>2302772
thats a very low bar to clear

>>2302771
I've heard nothing but good things and that it's like shoujo version of Eva but I haven't gotten around to watching it. Maybe I'll do it now for the anniversary.

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>>2325292
>shoujo version of Eva

>>2325298
That's what I got from watching it.

>>2325292
Maybe cause Hideaki Anno and Ikuhara are good friends? But although both are "deconstructive" anime they don't have nothing to do with each other

god why do people love to draw juri so ugly

just cause she's tall doesn't mean she looks like a man

>>2326829
kaworu is actually based on ikuni, and specifically this one time the two of them stayed up really late in a bath together on a company trip with Toei.

>>2302771
Here's a question.

I tried reading the manga for this last year, and was blown away by how sloppy it was. It played super fast and loose, rushed through a confusing plot, and didn't seem to explore any of its themes well.

...However, I get the sense the anime is a different beast. Please confirm, Utena fans, so I can stop being confused when people cite it as a major influence on my favorite lesbian anime Steven Universe.

>>2333395
The manga and anime are completely different.

>>2302771
Elephants on surfboards. Cowstian Dior. Stopwatches. Magical curry. Boxing kangaroo fight. Shadow girls. 10/10, masterpiece, I have rewatched too many times and it never gets old. Never forget to live your life heroically and with style, /u/.

>>2307187
Not the person you replied to but It might have something to do with how fans treat anything Ikuhara does as perfect Gospel with absolutely no flaws.

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>>2333395
I had the same experience and I can confirm the anime is totally different. Watch that instead of reading the crappy, super hetero manga. Also, watch the movie after the anime!

>>2333540
I've never met people like that. His newer stuff in particular tends to receive lots of criticism.

>>2333540
Yeah I can't say I've seen that either. Penguindrum was mostly loved by fans but still criticized and Yurikuma was widely considered bad.

>>2333395
Jush so you know, it's more of an influence on the 'Pearl is so messed up she wishes for Steven's death in her darkest moments because she's still madly in love with Rose, no matter how abusive her treatment of her looks after each new flashback' side of Steven Universe than the 'Lapis and Peridot are cute artist dykes' side.

>>2336135
>>>/co/

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Whether people like it or not, and whether they want to acknowledge it or not, Utena is one of the three founding pillars of modern yuri, along with Sailor Moon and Maria-sama ga Miteru.

As alluded to already in this thread, Ikuhara intended Utena and Anthy to be a romantic couple from the beginning, but Saito Chiho threatened to quit if he pursued it, although he maintains in the commentaries that he "did it anyway" to the extent that he could.

After Utena was such a success, Saito shut up about it when they made the movie, which Ikuhara is on record as saying that "tried to do in the movie what he wasn't able to do in the series" as far as the romance.

I'd also like to point out that one of the most popular and gayest parts of one of the other pillars, Sailor Moon S, is also thanks to Ikuhara, making him largely responsible for two of the three. Again, whether people like it or not, that man is basically the father of modern yuri.

new utena chapter
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-05-26/revolutionary-girl-utena-gets-new-manga-chapter-in-july/.116631
for what purpose?

>>2345713
>drawn by Chiho Saitō
Into the shoujo trash it goes then.
That women dislikes yuri and clearly this new Utena manga will be the same shit she done years ago same with the old manga even if times for yuri changed quite a bit.

If the only thing they know what to do for Utena anniversary is to promote Saito then it should just stay dead than to promote Utena non-yuri side.

>>2345729
Is the manga not yuri?
I haven't read it, but was thinking of picking it up.

>>2346302
Don't do that. The manga is total trash, it completely ruins everything good about Utena.

>>2345713
>for what purpose?
Making money.