/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

>>87370104

Why does /tpg/ create new threads at 300 posts instead of 500 posts? I'm hardly ever quick enough to participate in these threads.

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>>87370104
Did Coop end up in the same universe as Chet?

I just wanted to say that /tpg/ was a beacon of hope in those hard times and Twin Peaks: The Return was the kinoest experience I've ever witnessed on /tv/.

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Are Saved By The Bell and Twin Peaks in the same universe?

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First for dat rump

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>>87370162
friendly reminder that doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time

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>>87370104
Both of these looks crushed me

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>>87370231
Is that Tony Soprano's mom?

>>87369988
Well if this is a different story with a shuffled deck, the themes may have been similar. Cooper is something of a wildcard considering he's aware of the previous story, but other characters may have been shuffled in thematically similar roles.
Carrie, rather than being a victim of paternal abuse, probably switched to being a victim of spousal abuse. He had a gun as well and she could easily have been defending herself or just had enough in a sense akin to Shelly's relationship with Leo.

This would also tie into the themes of Blue Velvet, in which Kyle plays a man who has a love interest played by Laura Dern who finds himself needing to help a tormented, abused third party.

Kyle aged really well. In a few of those low-lit scenes in episode 18 he looked like his younger self.

>Moral of the story is that it's ultimately pointless to look into things too deeply
>Series ends with master detective of both inductive and deductive reasoning becoming totally lost and baffled, not even knowing what year it is
>There is no way to solve half/most of the lingering mysteries, because obviously not enough information was provided and various plot elements openly conflict with one another
>Gullible fandomtards take exactly the wrong lessons from all of this and construct series of "omg how could you not understand this" theories about what they just saw.

Texas Laura not knowing about fucking Washington state and having <60 IQ activated my bimbo fetish so episode 18 is by default my favourite.

>bob, the scariest and most iconic villain of the series was defeated by a britbong with a hulk hand

Why is no one more pissed off at this?

>>87370162

Threads stop bumping at 315, and /tpg/ sinks too quickly to reach 500.

>>87370332
Still think it's bizarre how Bobby and James ended up aging more than Cooper.

>>87370332
For me, Bobby and Hawk aged the best.

>>87370352
because it was fucking perfect

Brainlet here, quick question, why did Sarah turn into a weird monster and kill that guy at the bar? Is she similarly possessed by an evil spirit like BOB?

>>87370168
Holy shit.

>season four begins
>black car pulls up as the lights turn out in the Palmer house
>windows roll down
>it's Chet desmond
>"Hey Coop, Hey Laura. Hop in. Let's rock"

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reposting from previous thread at the edge of death, I really want to get some (you)s on this:

20 generals, thousands of redditish theories, but I have not come across someone sharing my view:

episode 17 was the perfect finale

episode 18 felt like something added in a rush

like opening already sealed doors just to shout sth you have just remembered, which only disturbs the satisfying and well-earned silence

>that perfect scene of Laura disapperaring from Coop's grasp
>that scream
>that silence
>that slow fade into Cruise

why would you ruin something so gut-wrenching yet fulfilling and beautiful at the same time with this alternate reality bullshit

>>87370346
she asked if it was D.C., not what Washington was. Seeing as the FBI are headquartered nearby it's not a bad assumption

Crimes of Coop
>Abandoned Janey J and Sonny Jim
>Condemn Carrie Page to a life of misery
>Is responsible for the death of Garland Briggs
>Gets Diane lost in time and/or space

>>87370352
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT LYNCH!

>everyone keeps shitting on coop for fucking up
>nobody considers the fact that judy might be so dangerous that it's worth altering the course of history and killing off timelines to eliminate her
Do you assholes really think that coop would go through such extreme measures unless it was worth it?

>>87370400
It's a free cunt-ree

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>>87370202
Since Nine Inch Nails is used in both Twin Peaks and Rick and Morty does that mean they are part of the same multi-verse????

>>87370227
>raped a comatose woman
>raped his closest confidant
>raped who knows else on a whim
>cucked Hutch
>killed shitloads of people
>mutilated at least one dog
>blackmailed a loving father and husband who worked in the FBI with said dog
>greedily waltzed into an obvious trap just to kill Cooper's old friends and colleagues and fails miserably
>did nothing wrong

LAURA

DERN'S

TITS

Is this absurdism rather than surrealism?

Searching for answers is pointless because you'll never get any

>>87370412
Thank god you're not in charge

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From Ronnie Rocket:


>(DETECTIVE) Terry! What are you trying to tell me?

>(TERRY) I don't go around explainin' the unexplainable, Buddy.

>(DETECTIVE) Oh yeah. Well tell me Terry what we have to do . . . try to tell me in a realistic way . . . using words.

>(TERRY) It's not so easy.

>(DETECTIVE) Try . . .

>(TERRY) It's a man named Hank Bartells.

>(DETECTIVE) (stepping closer to Terry) Yes?

>(TERRY) He's the problem.

>(DETECTIVE) (stepping very close to Terry) Yeah . . . how so?

>(TERRY) He got all the electricity see?

>(DETECTIVE) Yeah?

>(TERRY) And he's got the electricity fouled up, reversed or somethin' so's its around the wrong way and all the power is suckin up light . . . he's making darkness as fast as you can pee your pants and with this darkness buddy comes confusion and this confusion gets stronger as you get close to him, i.e., Hank Bartells, which you've got to do but you can't do so if you did though you wouldn't even remember your own name . . . see?


Also, pic related. Rings a bell?

>>87370371
Just For Men anon. Coop was the only grey haired actor who got his hair dyed

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>>87370400
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO FUCK WITH THIS?

>>87370352
It was pretty stupid, but I appreciate the sentiment. It was just lynch making fun of all the people who want a boring, vanilla ending.
It's like "is this what you people wanted? an epic battle between good and evil?"
For some people, yes, it is what they wanted.

>>87370400
sarah was judy all along

>>87370407
>"I Wanna Fall in Love" starts playing

>>87370203
It doesn't get any bluer.

>>87370168
Son of a bitch. Maybe.

>>87370461
Are we entirely sure they weren't a double's tits?

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It's strange to all this arguing about whether it was a "good" or "bad" ending.
It seems obvious to me that it's all about the eternal cosmogonic struggle between good and evil with no 'winner' and and the ungraspable possibilty of breaking the cycle, that is the basis of all eastern beliefs and Lynch's philosophy by extent.

>>87370494
I'm willing to bet he wasn't making fun and it was just a silly idea he had. Lynch is more earnest/honest than people think. He's not some cynical troll.

>>87370448
how can it be rape if the women were willing? Also all the people he killed on-screen were criminals and deserved it.

>the Big Ed reflection was a mistake after all

>>87370565
You can't consent if you're unconscious you retard

In one of yesterday's threads someone posted an image showing that the names the woman living at the Palmer house says are also said in FWWM.
Does anyone still have that image?

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IF we happen to get a season 4, which I don't want, but if we do. I hope that Laura and Cooper get left out of it.

Make it about Sam and Desmond. Have Desmond's corpse show up 25 years to the day of his disappearance and send Sam on the investigation. Dougie and LV returns, so does Twin Peaks.

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If you look closely you can actually pinpoint the exact moment his mind breaks.

>>87370352
Because it was hilarious, strangely tense, and absurd, and those things are exactly what makes Twin Peaks great.

>>87370565
He attempted to murder an honest sheriff and failed. There is no way to slice that as anything but "Boop fucked up and is a bad person."

What is the best Lynch film, /tpg/, and why is that Lost Highway?

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GAR
MON
BOZIA

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>>87370371
Bobby still looks youthful to me, I can't quite place why but his face and demeanor is like he's still a kid. The actor is like that too, he looks like such a lovable and great a guy.

>>87370400
She's possessed by Judy

she was the little girl who swallowed the frog-moth

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She was telling him that he was going to doom her and him both to NON-EXIST-ENCE, wasn't she?

>>87370578
Audrey concented to Cooper fucking her, she didn't specify it being the real Cooper, not his doppelganger so it's all cool

>>87370606
He even almost topples forward.

>>87370462
It's both. Absurdism isn't exactly nihilism either. It subscribes to the possibility of meaning, but doesn't really know or care to know what that meaning is.

>>87370672
I don't know but Kyle's look in the eyes just says it all

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>>87370352
I hated it, but it felt somewhat redeemed by this coming afterwards, like the veneer falls off and we can immediately tell that something is not right.

>>87370469

do YOU feel in charge?

>>87370606
If you look closely you can see the moment he asks the simple question that breaks the spell laura is under that frees her from the illusion Judy has created. "What year is it?"

Soon these threads will start to slow down and, after a while, disappear completely.

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Posting in every thread

>Cooper didn't even bother to say hello to Albert

it fucking hurts

>>87370672

i like the idea that she's telling him sarah palmer is judy

his reaction still fits

>>87370730
Good

>>87370412
>stop liking what I don't like

here's your (you)

>>87370427
>made Janey-E and Sonny Jim's lives better, and left them with a better version of Dougie
>took Carrie Page out of her life of misery, and gave her her life back (as Laura)
>Is responsible for carrying out Briggs' life work
>Saves Diane from being lost in time/space/a japanese woman's body

>>87370606
I thought he had turned back into dougie for a second

>>87370739
He didn't really say hello to almost anyone, he was kind of pressed for time.

>>87370730
thankfully you posting this in every thread will continue to bump it

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>>87370407
'You fucked up Coop, but I've learned a thing or two since I got here' *morphs into a giant industrial machine spewing smoke & sparks*

>>87370729
(not true, by-the-way!)

>>87370104
No. He didn't goof up. The Giant told him about "4:30, Richard and Linda, two birds one stone" and was guiding him through the timelines to reach Laura in the fake alternate reality and "wake her up".

Also, his doppelganger is dead, Bob is finished, and he's no longer trapped in red curtains sitting in a chair for 25 years. And he got Dougie back to his family.

So yeah, he got a partial win. At least until there's a season 4.

>>87370650
>she was the little girl who swallowed the frog-moth
I thought that girl was supposed to be Laura?

>>87370768
you see what you want to see anon

>>87370672
She probably said something like it's really entirely up to your interpretation of how the events transpired. All we know is that it's not a particularly pleasant thing to hear.
My guess is that she told Cooper that their story will never really end, and that they're eternally intertwined throughout a multiversal plane.

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>>87370765
fucking kek

>>87370672
I can't get this end credit sequence out of my head. Anyone else the same?

>>87370104
Just finished it
Soo what's up with the finale?

>>87370785
Laura was born in the early 70s. That little girl was a teen in '56. It was not Laura.

>>87370785
>Laura
>alive in 1945

Are you a retard?

So who was that girl that swallowed the frogmoth at the end of Part 8? Sarah?

>>87370771
Don't forget that Judy is furious and her attempts to destroy even Laura's photograph completely failed. The picture never tore.
I didn't get any impression that Judy won this time.

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this girl is stuck inside a dream forever
say something nice to her

>>87370672
How many times do you think they've looped through all of this?
Maybe that's why he's so tired in the final episode

>>87370732
I need her jeans ass on my face

did plebs get btfo?

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>>87370606
It's just sign language

>>87370771
This!

>>87370412
Because Lynch gets of pranking us
Seriously, he likes to mess with his fans
"So you think this would be the perfect finale, don't you? WAIT A MIN- er... AN HOUR!"

>>87370763

He talked to Bobby, Gordon, and Frank, but no hello for his good pal Albert.

>>87370650
>She's possessed by Judy [Sarah Palmer]
Yea that's what I thought too
>she was the little girl who swallowed the frog-moth
Woah

>>87370203
This shot was a bit much.

>>87370785
It was in the 50s or something.

>>87370848
Now that we have all the pieces, that seems very likely.

>>87370418
but he says, "Twin Peaks, Washington." how could she have been so stupid as to think there was another city inside DC?

>>87370848
Audrey, Cooper will save her in season 4 and they will finally marry eachother

>>87370870
Everyone got btfo

>>87370104
file name on the pic should be gone...
goooo-ooone

Are the Tremonds/Chalfords good are evil agents of Judy?

If they are bad then why did they seem to help Donna in series two? And help Laura find-out who her rapist was by giving her the painting in FWWM?

>>87370889
Lmao, it was. Lynch is pretty funny.
But my goodness, that figure of hers.

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Who was in the wrong here?

We had the russian leaks. We knew that the last episode wouldn't answer anything. Why did we get lynched regardless?

what year is this?

>>87370606
He can literally control the fabric of reality. Same hand motion he made when travelling through the Red Room. He'd come to the realization of just how different this world may have been, and considering Carrie's immediate reaction to the question, he asked the right one.
She didn't know, and the illusion broke.

>>87370901

Could be a street or a restaurant or a cul-de-sac in D.C.

>>87370876
Plus if he's still in there he can drive down to any coffee shop and get his favourite coffee and donuts fix, now. He couldn't do that in the Black Lodge.

>>87370901
Twin Peaks is the name of a popular chain restaurant in Carrie Page's (our) reality. Maybe she thought Coop wanted a tasty dinner at reasonable prices surrounded by big breasted waitresses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23p8RbnlRn4

PURE KINO

>>87370956

What did we know? I avoided them.

>>87370901
Could have thought it was a district in Washington DC

>>87370871
WHAT THE

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>>87370436
so is this

>>87370461
Did we have a capture?

>>87370968
Samefagging. Maybe not control, but he can definitely touch it and shift it to some degree.

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>>87370956
Didn't need leaks to know we'd get an unconventional ending out of Lynch.

There was just no notion of it being so depressing and grim.

>>87370840
Depends. What year is it?

>>87370956
The leaks made me think Laura and Coop would destroy SarahJudy

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>>87371007

Pete goes fishing

>>87370989
>every time I mention Twin Peaks my friends think I'm talking about the restaurant or the show is somehow related to it

I hate that place so much

>>87370771
>The Giant told him about "4:30, Richard and Linda, two birds one stone"
Was that what The Giant told him to remember? Cause if he is then he
>was guiding him through the timelines to reach Laura in the fake alternate reality and "wake her up".
And the review I read which said
>lol Cooper was dreaming lmao
was bullshit. And I hope it is cause it'd be so cheap
>>87370851
>Don't forget that Judy is furious and her attempts to destroy even Laura's photograph completely failed. The picture never tore.
Nice I didn't think about that, so the consensus is that Judy is inside Sarah Palmer right?

I think the true key to unlocking the enigmatic ending of the cinematic master piece known as Twin Peaks: The Return lies in an overlooked line spoken by the character Gordon Cole who is portrayed by the visionary extraordinaire himself, David Lynch. Agent Albert Rosenfield insinuates that Cole has "Gone soft in his old age" to which Cole retorts that he is "Still hard where it counts". To the unseasoned viewer, this exchange may seem like nothing more than a sexual innuendo but a seasoned Lynch scholar such as myself is able to discern its true meaning. When Cole states that he is hard where it counts, he is not referring to his ability to perform sexually. Instead, he is referring to David Lynch's "hard" stance when it comes to his cinematic principles and themes. One would expect David Lynch to reward viewers of Twin Peaks: The Return with a sense of finality after 25 years of waiting patiently or that Showtime would pressure him to give the series an ending typical of network tv. In true Lynchian fashion, Lynch has given us an ending reminiscent of his other works such as Mullohand Drive or Lost Highway. An explainable ending would have been indicative of Lynch getting soft in his old age, the ending we are treated to truly reinforces the idea that Lynch is still hard where it counts; his directorial ethics.

>>87370934
We don't really know what judy's endgoal is. She gave birth to bob sure but what she actually wants is a mystery.

I like how this really hits just how similar Return was to the first two seasons. All of these moments feel like they're in the same world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8-KTdNdizE

>>87370992
why does the electricity go out

>rewatching Season 2
>the mayor of Twin Peaks' brother is called Dougie

>>87371030
I think you people are reading too much into this ending if you think it's depressing and grim. I think it's certainly not a happy, nor conclusive ending, but it's not depressing or grim.
It sure as fuck isn't HOW'S ANNIE

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>>87371007

Why did Lynch kill Jack Nance?

>>87370161
I realise this is pasta but where did the whole set design thing come from anyway?

I mean just the first few that come to mind, the glass box, Sarah Palmer's living room, all the lodge/netherlodge/fireman's lodge areas, that elk bar, can't think of any examples of "no set design", I don't really understand what that means. I guess the sets in the woods weren't really "designed" but it'd be hard not to call them fitting.

>>87371055
>The consensus is that Judy is inside Sarah Palmer right?
That seems to be the case. None of it is 100% certain, but the context clues all fit.

I'm so depressed tpg

>>87371104
In hindsight, literally none of these were even spoilers.

>Judy is positive about this
>Do you have a Miss Judy staying here by any chance?
>This is for you. La seniorita... the young lady, she left it for you


>Before he disappeared, Major Briggs shared with me and Cooper his discovery of an entity. An extreme negative force called in olden times 'Jowday'. Over time, it's become 'Judy'.

How Frosted were you?

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Cooper wtf are you doing

>>87371119
Compare the sherrif station to the one of S1 and S2 and that's only the most obvious example.

>>87371075
The pocket reality ended because its focal point (Laura in Carrie Page) realized what it was.

yticirtcele

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what did they mean by this?

>>87371180
>perfectly fixed
>a dark, murderous entity still exists and the only means of stopping her were murdered 25 years ago
Nah

can someone post the webm of sarah/judy destroying laura's picture

>>87371146
okay Margaret

>>87371055
>>The Giant told him about "4:30, Richard and Linda, two birds one stone"
>Was that what The Giant told him to remember? Cause if he is then he
>was guiding him through the timelines to reach Laura in the fake alternate reality and "wake her up".
>And the review I read which said
>lol Cooper was dreaming lmao
>was bullshit. And I hope it is cause it'd be so cheap

Yes that's bullshit. The Giant is guiding him, that's what we see in the intro, to remember those key elements to guide him through and make sure he changes the timeline.

>>Don't forget that Judy is furious and her attempts to destroy even Laura's photograph completely failed. The picture never tore.
>Nice I didn't think about that, so the consensus is that Judy is inside Sarah Palmer right?

Yes, that's why she uses her body to smash the photograph of her daughter, realizing he changed the timeline. But then she reacts to that, as we see Dale enter the trap dream world at the end, that she set up for her daughter. Except now Dale has successfully entered the world and 'woken' Laura up.

>>87371213
k, so now she's not dead but trapped instead and can't do shit anyway

>>87371081

read secret history, he's practically the main character

real interesting life that guy had before becoming background comic relief

>>87371180
>Judy still around and causing shit
>fixed
>not knowing that he did exactly what the fireman told him from the second he started driving with Diane
>not knowing that he was fully aware of what could happen when he jumped universes and fully accepted it, despite the man himself saying it on more than one occasion

Did you even watch the show?

>>87371180
Remembering what Laura whispered in his ear (my mother is Judy) and realizing that it was probably hasty to take her to Judy's stronghold prior to Laura having recovered her memory and face/off powers.

So people like the ending now?

>>87371254
First of all the whole pocket reality shit is a theory, you don't know if they're trapped nor do you know what exactly is going on.
Second, yes, she's not dead, which means that there is a slight chance that they can escape.
Have you already forgotten that coop managed to escape from the black lodge? He seemed to be pretty permanently fucked, and yet here we are

>>87371257
>read secret history
unreadable garbage

>>87371289
Did anybody that wasn't a turbopleb hate it?

>>87371208
Non-Lynch episodes are not canon.

>>87370104
No. In your effort to quantify everything down into "conventional tv" shit, you're dead wrong on pretty much everything, plebbit.

>>87371289
I always have

>>87371257
>buy my book !!!!

>mfw twin peaks devolves into timeline fuckery
>mfw we /who/ now

lynch why

Now that the dust has settled, which members of the cast aged best and worst?

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>>87371316
>I can't read handwritten documents

>>87371104
Can't believe I went out of my way not to read these. Fucking might as well have

>>87370889
No, it really wasn't. Don't be scared of your little peepee getting erect, millennial, it's okay and perfectly natural.

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>>87371316
Can't read cursive?

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Only over a month left until this lads

SHOULDVE ENDED WITH FWWM
IM DONE

>>87371311
He is the only Magician certified in both Black and White Lodge magicks.

>>87371231
Hawk, I'm LOG

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>>87371369
Best

Just marathoned Lost Highway. Exactly what did I watch? Felt like a porno.

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>>87371096
>the despair and brokenness in Coop's voice and face
>Carrie/Laura's horrified scream as her traumatic memories come flooding back
>the ominous end credit music overlaying Coop's face as his expression grows evermore disturbed

Seemed beyond bleak to me.

>>87371173
>>87371389
Hundreds of cable episode descriptions are like this: vague plot points that don't really describe anything. I personally just wanted to go in entirely blind, without even a hint influencing my viewing.

>>87371369
Norma. She really does not look to be over 70.

>>87371369
Best:

Lucy
Dale
Norma
Bobby
Denise

Worst
Audrey
Laura

Everybody else aged normally

>>87371446
OMG I can't wait

>>87371180
Quite possibly the worst theory to come out of all of this. Please stop.

>>87371465
Goddamn Madchen needed more screen time

>>87371487
My favorite is
>sherriff truman receives an unexpected phone call

Like, I guess technically?

so Cooper is in an endless loop of having a girl he loves killed or meet a terrible fate and then just keeps trying to save the day
is he the ultimate tragic character?
>has Caroline killed
>has Annie catatonic from what it seems
>has Diane LYNCHED
in the Lodge Caroline even becomes Annie for a second just to show how it's happening again and again
why does everybody he's ever loved die or suffer a fate even worse?

>>87371382

i read the whole thing on my kindle and desu most of the handwritten letters were pretty illegible

zooming in on the page just made them more pixelated and hard to read

>>87371446
Fuck off Frost, we don't want your book already.

>>87371446
My only sadness is that it's under 200 pages. Still getting it, though. It'll look great in my collection, and I'm sure I'll enjoy the book itself. I've always been a sucker for that scrapbook format.

>>87371502
>The book's content will reveal events that occurred to certain characters between the original series and its continuation, as well as "context and commentary to the strange and cosmic happenings" present in the latter

>>87371502
>>87371446
Do we have paid shills on this board?

>>87371454
Will we see a flashback of him training in s4?

>>87371498
>>87371501
Am I the only one who thinks Peggy has had plastic surgery? She still looks good with it unlike LFB but I'm thinking she's had some work done. Madchen too honestly

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>>87371369
Audrey

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>>87371474
watched the entire runtime of a film
>marathoned

millenials, I tell ya...

>>87371555
>what is sarcasm?

>>87370771

>fake alternate reality
>fake
>alternate
>And he got Dougie back to his family

Cooper destroyed everything he loved and cared about. He literally changed the past, and it literally dictated the future.

>>87370956

You cannot avoid a lynching.

>>87371544
I'll take quality over quantity.

>>87371564

Her lips are a little stiff and unnatural looking, yes.

>>87371596
LYNCHED

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>tfw he wasn't our frenlo

>>87371369
Best: Madchen, Sheryl, Kyle, Bobby, Richard Beymer
Worst: Lucy, Sherilyn, guy who plays Renault

This could have been cut in half
so much unnecessary shit

>>87371533
I got a hard copy of the book and free trialed the audio on top of that for based MacLachlan and Knepper performances. I've heard some bad shit about the kindle edition, though. My condolences.

>>87371630
>being a pleb

>>87371564
I think she uses tthe same stuff that keeps Quincy Jones alive

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Any black grannies ITT shoot me a message

>>87371630
Out.

>>87371595
Wasn't being sarcastic desu, though.

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rewatching from the start and I forgot about this neat detail in part 2

"But Laura Palmer is dead"
"I am dead. Yet I Live"

and then she takes her face off the same way Sarah/Jua Dei does but instead of static and darkness like behind Sarah's face, behind Laura's is brilliant white light

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>>87371564
Yeah both have definitely had work. I'm more impressed with how good Peggy, Madchen, and Sheryl's figures are honestly

>>87371606
I can agree with that.

>>87370168
I think you are into something.

Season 4 Kiefer Sutherland appears.

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>>87371446
>won't explain shit

>plebbitors will deluge this thread once again to piss and shit about how they don't get it, while trying to wrap everything up in a neat little reddit bow using retarded theorycrafting that belongs in places like /got/ and not here

>intellectual clickbaiters will do entire blog series about how TP is a terrible terrible show, fueled by the same gobsmacked butthurt that still has them whinging about losing the 2016 Election

>all TP hater's wives/gfs will eventually leave them for "Jamal down the hall" as their "fake it til you make it" world crumbles around them

>>87371596
If cooper destroyed the present then why would they show the scene of dougie meeting up with the family? It makes no sense whatsoever, so I think you're wrong.

>>87371705
She's built like an overweight man with bitch tits

>>87371704
Yeah, it was pretty clear that Laura was a doppelganger of sorts to Judy, and that Judy sent Bob to destroy that soul. Cooper purifying that soul in FWWM and his and the Fireman's move to transport her to an alternate universe both proved to be some heavy blows on Judy. Remember that Judy as Sarah started stabbing Laura's photo, but the photo wouldn't tear.

>>87371446
>inb4 it's just a collection of his anti-Trump tweets

>>87371596
I'm beginning to think these posts are just bait for (You)s. Complete shitposting.

>>87371720
Are you kidding? The clickbait response to Twin Peaks is pretty widely positive thanks largely to people watching that fucking awful Game of Thrones season instead.

>>87371804
Link some.

>>87371334
Bullshit.
Is a Lynch/FROST production
You obvs don't know shit about Mark Frost.

>>87371860
Oh hi Mark

>>87371568
newfags, I tell ya...

>>87371761
Madchen looks like she could be an NFL linebacker

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>>87371858

>>87371923
Lol she does as well. She's bigger than me.

Which is weird considering she was so dainty in the original series.

>>87371941
Kek

>>87370976
The problem is, his changed "Richard" form doesn't seem to enjoy coffee that much.

>>87371966
Or maybe you're just a manlet

>>87371941
BASED FROST

So, I hear Sheryl Lee is still single? Do any of you like older women?

>>87371761
they're both fifty year old women anon, they look good for that age. Most women start going to shit by 30-35

also not everyone ITT is a youngfag

Lynch basically confirmed that most of his movies are the same story but different versions of Cooper and Laura trying to find Laura's home.

In the motel scene, why was Coop confused about Richard and Linda? Why would his personality change while still thinking he's Dale Cooper?

>The end of FWWM is Dale realizing Laura has to die but that death isn’t the end. He stops cycling through time and instead comforts her and shepherds her to the angels.

>>87371941
lmao

I don't get why the same Black Lodge scene plays in 18 but slightly different. Was Cooper always in the lodge? Did he never leave?

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>>87372026
Oh, I'm a big fan of them...

The Twin Peaks lore is based on Freud's Unconscious Theory

>Black Lodge
The Unconscious mind

>Reality
The Conscious mind

>The Lodge evil spirits
The Id

>The Lodge "good" spirits (MIKE, fireman)
The SuperEgo

>Cooper
The Ego

>>87372045
The same way Carrie Paige would remember Sarah's name. He's trying to remember across identities.

>>87371096
Come on now. It takes stretchy interpretation to take this ending as anything less than grim as absolute fuck.

I'm gonna miss these threads

>>87372033
Uh, have you seen Elizabeth Hurley? Kate Beckinsale? Milla Jovovich? Yeah...

>>87372122
I'm not saying this is a good ending, or even a neutral one, but saying that ALL HOPE IS LOST is just wrong. Things are bad, but they've been bad before and they got out before.

>>87371941
How can any known artist or person in the visual arts worth their salt be so against someone like Trump? You can't tell me that someone like Mark Frost didn't step on any necks to get where he is today. Same goes for literally every celebrity.

Jumping on the "MUH EBIL TRUMP" train just looks so common and dirt-tier.

>>87370729
What year is it - the cars keep changing style.

>>87372124
I-I'm not going anywhere..

>>87372116
You can apply Freud to anything and it will seem like it makes sense

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>>87372062
I'd like to think that Fire Walk With Me is still the actual ending in the timeline. I'd say if anything it makes more sense after The Return. Sure there's the discrepancy in age, but you could say that they return to starting positions.

>>87370486
You should see her cum face

>>87372184
See Evangelion, for example.

>>87372137
>giant hollywood stars look good when they get old

Wow more news at 11

>>87371179
>In early drafts of Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me's script, it was mentioned by Jeffries that Judy had a sister and writer Robert Engels confirmed that this sister could have been Josie Packard. Since this detail was left out of further drafts, it is assumed to be non-canon. An open letter written by Joan Chen (in character as Josie) to David Lynch in 2017 indicated that she too was aware that Judy was at some point to be Josie's twin sister.

>>87370672
I think she was telling him that he lost the game.

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>>87372116
That's hardly a secret at this point.

Why didn't Coop just search up Sarah Palmer on facebook?

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/tpg/ will never die!

>>87372184
this is true as that model is full of umbrella terms for basic desire drives, but he does expound on his concepts a fuck ton in his life's work.

>>87370161
based hawk hater

>>87372137
The average person doesn't have the resources they do to look like that, and Madchen Amick and Sheryl Lee not stars of that caliber either.

>>87372184

But it applies more to TP

>The Id
timeless
Unmoral
can't be ruled by the laws of reality/ the material world

As you can see, it's the same as The Black Lodge

What kind of cigarettes does Lynch smoke?

>>87371941
Pleb.

>>87371897
>unironically believing Mark Frost would come to here
How does it feel to be a brainlet little boy?

time to end it all

>>87372187
The age won't matter if it's the official "end." It can just be spun like they both are back in younger bodies because woobadoobalynchyshooba logic

>>87372212
Pretty sure Anno planned that more though since there are open references to psychology and philosophy

>>87372187
Honestly FWWM was a better ending to the series than the return was. It was the main reason I didn't even get remotely hyped about it. I always thought FWWM was a perfect way to conclude things and while I really enjoyed the return, FWWM is still the better work in my opinion.

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>>87372116
>"good" spirits
>Mike
I think there's a mistake here anon

Who the fuck was the dead guy in Laura's house with the hole in his head?

I enjoyed season 4 of arrested development

>>87370871
what did Desmond say the fist squeezing represented?

>>87371967
>Inland Empire

The ending is starting to make sense to me. But why and how did Cooper know the new "Laura" would be working at that diner? Just because it's called "Judy's"?

>>87372232
they don't have facey in the black lodge

>>87370203
Couldn't get any bluer.

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>>87372172
because Trump doesn't actually stand for anything and is a plain, unprincipled opportunist who actually liked, supported and were friends with the Clintons before the election.

if you actually believe anything he says (and then later rescinds or reverses) you played yourself

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also, reminder, part 2, in the scene that's the same as the last scene, we actually see Laura leave as she screams, leaving only the white horse behind the red curtains

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>>87371941
Also Lynch is a bigtime autistic lefty

>>87372336
In the new reality he went in

>>87372187
is this shot actually in the movie or is it just a promo? either way it's beautiful.

>>87372285
There might be a season 4 anon!

>>87372302
Better ending, yes. I still think The Return ends on a really powerful note too, and I found it a worthwhile addition to the series, we got so many incredible moments through this ride, so many fantastic new characters.

>>87372314
Well, MIKE at least claims he's gone straight after getting rid of the Arm.

And even the Arm evolved.

>>87372362
That was back when no candidate made much sense. Trump had to earn his trust.

look at you... screaming and yelling lynched to those who dare criticize your new favourite duder on earth mr. lynch and pretending to understand everything in the series... the real smart fellas don't have to do that, the real smart boys don't come here to yell at others... peace out "smart fellas"....

>>87372314

The SuperEgo is neither good or bad, just as MIKE

I truthfully believe that with Bob presumably dead Judy is to be set up as the new antagonist of the series. My theory is that Sarah's voice calling out for Laura at the end Lynch's way of telling us that Judy exists in this alternate timeline as well.

Judy is basically female Bob anyway.

>>87372310
They fucked, ima right?

>>87372261
Dude all you have to do is be good looking originally and take good care of yourself from a young age and you'll age well. It doesn't cost millions of dollars.

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>>87372315
Chip

>>87372432
We're not gonna talk about Chip...

because he doesn't have a phone

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>>87371720
>"don't get it"
>there's actually something to get instead of some film student's pretentious drivel
>"won't explain shit"
>yeah, frost wasn't actually responsible for most of the writing and half the idea generation

This is the problem, really. Lynchriders (also called babydick faggot brainlets in other settings) are under the impression that anyone signed on to watch Inland Empire Part II: Electricity Spoken Backward Boogaloo. They didn't. They signed on to watch a continuation of a television show which previously had 30 episodes OF WHICH LYNCH DIRECTED JUST FIVE AND WROTE EVEN LESS. So there's a conflict between TP fans and Lynchriders too obtuse to realize the emperor wears no clothes but pretends it's art.

This is the challenge to Lynchriders: if there is "something to get", then it can be explained. Just write it out. A concept which can be grasped can be imparted. So fucking spell it out.

But there isn't one, so you can't, so you'll resort to your fucking bullshit where you pretend to have the competence to insult the people that you likely work for from behind the security of an anonymous message board.

You fucking. Faggots.

>>87372383
>scratches armpit

>>87372362

Except Lynch hasn't tweeted about politics since then. Unlike every other lefty.

>>87372116
Lynch wouldn't have put that much thought into it.

>>87372184
>You can apply
The Unconscious mind

>Freud
The Conscious mind

>to anything
The Id

>and it will seem like
The SuperEgo

>it makes sense
The ego

>>87372362
bernie was literally the least bad candidate in the 2016 shitshow

>>87371804
In Secret History, Nixon was the man behind the Blue Rose Task Force. I'm surprised he's not a republican.

>>87372363
What year was that?

>>87372452
stay mad

>>87372172
Most artistic people are liberals because liberals are more open minded to new ideas/experiences, something that you need to have to be artistic. And the more liberal/open minded you are, the more artistic you're more likely to be.

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>>87371761
>>87371923
That's not a very nice way to talk about your co-stars, Sherilyn

>>87372321
The local PD is gonna give us a hard time.

>>87372452
Truth.

>>87372480
Freud was right, its literally impossible to do anything that doesn't involve his ideas

>>87372362
Bernie was an absurd man with an absurd campaign. He's not a lefty, he just picked the weirdest outcome. He hasn't said anything for or against Trump since he got elected.

>>87372507
>liberals are more open minded
lel best joke I have heard all day

>>87372407

SuperEgo is your "moral" compass, just as MIKE/Fireman was cooper's compass

>>87372507
keep telling yourself that. right wing people today are just stupid and therefore can't be successful as an artist

>>87372495
because at that time... Nixon... was the President. It's not like anyone can set up a top secret government task force based on knowledge only the top brass knows.

>>87372187

this is literally the same way Evangelion fags talk, picking and choosing which ending they like best

>>87372399
>>87372468
>>87372488

Nice spin. He also supported Obama big time.

>>87372452
>Lynchriders (also called babydick faggot brainlets in other settings) are under the impression that anyone signed on to watch Inland Empire Part II: Electricity Spoken Backward Boogaloo
I mean it's not like you didn't know Lynch had total artistic control over the new season 3 years in advance. If you didn't see this coming you are an actual retard.

>>87372519
Damn, glad to see Sherilyn got her shit together in time for the return.

>>87372582
That's because Twin Peaks and Eva are pretty similar my dude.

>>87372549
>He hasn't said anything for or against Trump since he got elected.
are you fucking retarded.

>March 17, 12 P.M. Have spent the last two hours with Betty. She showed me her scars and talked of how the world was going to burn. She seems to accept me, though she believes I am an avenging angel who has been sent to destroy her.

>I don’t know who I am. We search and search, and always end up looking into the same mirror, at the same reflection, hoping that we will find something different. Heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … heal … please

>Before you came here, Twin Peaks was a simple place. My brothers sold drugs to truck-drivers and teenagers. One-Eyed Jack's welcomed curious tourists and businessmen. Quiet people lived quiet lives. Then a pretty girl dies. And you arrive. Everything changes. My brother Bernard is shot and left to die in the woods. A grieving father smothers my surviving brother with a pillow. Arson, kidnapping. More death and destruction. Suddenly the quiet people here are no longer quiet. Their simple dreams have become a nightmare. Maybe you brought the nightmare with you. And maybe, it will die with you.

>>87372561
It's true for the most part lol

>>87372519
Sheryl Lee is smoking hot. Sherilyn Fenn on the other hand, is a bloated pig

>>87372590
4chan supported Obama. nearly everyone did at the time because they didn't realize he was the anti-christ in disguise

>>87372590
big fucking whoop
go shitpost in your containment board trumpet

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>>87372604

can't deny that

>>87372608
All I've seen on his twitter feed since the election is promotional shit for Twin Peaks, TM, and his Disruption parties.

>>87372549
>He hasn't said anything for or against Trump since he got elected.

Dude do you watch the news

>>87372610
what are the first two from?

>>87372452
You forget there were only about five or so good episodes of classic Twin Peaks.

>>87372672
I prefer fictional absurdism.

>>87370856
What year is this?

>>87372642
He supported him in 2012, not just in 2008 like 4chan.

>>87372656
I'm a liberal. Don't associate me with trumpcucks.

>>87372630
She definitely looked better than her 2010-2013 full JUST mode, but yeah she aged the worst

>>87372669
oh fuck me lol I thought you were talking about Bernie not being outspoken about Trump.

I'm dumb. carry on.

>>87371446
I'm waiting for this, desu. I don't really like the idea of books in the universe of a film but previous book was pretty freaking neato and me and my friends got FROSTED when we tried to find "sign me up" line in the original run. It was never there. But I could almost imagine it being there which was pretty fucking weird.

>>87370650
>She's possessed by Judy

So when Bob was raping Laura - Sarah/Judy was in the other room flicking the bean to her son/husband raping their daughter?

>>87372506
I knew it. No retort with an explanation of what there is precisely to "get", just some butthurt fag projection.

I'll issue the challenge again to all loyal Lynchriders, if you can free your fingers from his shriveled scrotum long enough to type a reply: what was TPTR about? What happened? How does it relate to the pre-S3 canon?

There's nothing wrong with mystery and convolution, like Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, and even FWWM, to some extent. But there's a lot wrong with pretending disjointed and pretentious nonsense is mystery. Even worse than that? Pretending you "get" it while refusing to explain and defend your thesis.

Was the frog that crawled in young Sarah the seed of laura or was it judy?

How Many times does the story has took place?

2 times? 3, 5?

>>87372712
>>87372672

Oh fuck, my fault. Goddamned pronouns lynched me.

Lynch hasn't said anything political since Trump got in that I know of.

>>87372736
You already met Judy

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>>87372604
id say is more similar to that other anime with time travel where the actions of our likeable hero fucked up things at the end leaving the audience with rage and made them reconsider the actions of said hero in the original series

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:(

>>87372724
yeah, she nasty

>>87372724

More likely tormenting Sarah with the knowledge that it was happening and she was powerless to stop it.

>>87371059
You should write books.

>>87372724
No, because the demon entities don't seem to be 100% always in control of their victims
for example Leland cries copiously over Laura both in front of others and on his own despite him being the killer, because he wasn't in demon mode at the time
remember the black lodge spirits feed on suffering and anguish

>>87371446
>>87372716
my biggest shock of the finale is that it is basically a huge retcon

and this is after months and months of anti-Frost shitposters calling out his retcons as being the main reason the book was shit (which is dumb in itself)

ANTI-FROST POSTERS BTFO.

RETCONS 4 ALL

>>87372725
It's about the experience.

You get it, but refuse to admit that you were rused into thinking there was more than what you see.

>>87372691
The Autobiography of F.B.I. Special Agent Dale Cooper: My Life, My Tapes

>>87372599
Then why call it Twin Peaks? Why remake Inland Empire and dupe the TP fanbase into watching it? Why not just call it what it is?

>you're a fucking retard if you thought twin peaks would be as good as twin peaks
>or lost highway
>or mulholland drive
>dudebro yer fucking a retard bro
>just turn off yer brain like yer watching iron man and have fun bro
>just go with it bro

>>87372816
No one cares. Nothing Frost does or says matters.

>>87372705
Trump is a liberal you moron