/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

I too watched the early episodes and had great reviews for friends and family and felt like this was going to be a great revival. But instead, it has been revealed as nothing more than a weekly outlet for ridiculous cameos and pointless dialog. I'm 14 episodes in, and it's torturous barely suitable for SyFy. David Lynch has managed to bury the stellar reputation of the first season even deeper into the ground. How did Kyle Maclachlan agree to sign on to this garbage. He can't be that desperate for work or cash. A total waste of your time.

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friendly reminder that doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time

How can people even go on with their lives watching regular TV?

WE LIVE INSIDE KINOA

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>The Truman brothers are true men.

What did she mean by this?

>Booper's goal was to keep Cooper's body so that he could disgrace his image with a mullet

>>87368121

imagine reading all this shit lmao

Why would I pay money for Transcendental Meditation when I can meditate for free?

>>87368193
They're not tulpas.

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>>87367875
>>87367845
>Either the Fireman has tricked him or

Remember the white-eyed Fireman dopple laughing with BOB and Mr. C?

And Coop does get told "430" while trapped in the Black Lodge.

Ambiguous!

>>87368260
>meditating for free
>not wanting to learn how to levitate

K I N O
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>*RECORD SCRATCH FREEZE FRAME*
>Uh-oh

>>87367789
>video art you would expect in a video art museum.
so it's a masterpiece then

everyone watch eagleheart: paradise rising from a few years back. closest at capturing the peaks feels. ends on a very grim note as well.

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Sheryl Lee is a national treasure

the driving scene was so good

>>87368193
just another last minute script rewrite to replace Harry

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>you lived long enough to see the end of twin peaks
>the end of twin peaks

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>>87367412
Oh, quite clearly. It needn't have been made at all.

I came to realize on Sunday that Twin Peaks before The Return was good in spite of Lynch, rather than because of him, and I'll never figure out how he blundered into making FWWM as good as it was (oh, wait; he had an editor forced on him to remove two hours of useless garbage). I'll never watch his bullshit again. He's made some great films, but this, like Inland Empire, was meaningless, pretentious film school garbage.

>a pointless series of nonsensical impulses just splattered into celluloid like the ejaculate of a masturbation addict
>"dude u just don't get it"
>no connection at all with the plot or thematic devices of TP or FWWM
>"dude lmao lynched"
>significant characters abandoned (desmond, annie), others conceived for no evident reason of any kind and abandoned (drunk guy, billy)
>"don't expect to get spoonfed bro"

Lynchriders are the arthouse equivalent of those fags who justify garbage like Transformers with platitudes like
>lmao just turn your brain off bro and have fun

It's exactly the same thing. Fucking morons.

>>87368374
This was so uncomfortable.

>>87368339
>only a 7.5 on imdb
I don't know anon, that's kind of pushing it for me

I was paid by Showtime to shill this show on 4chan.

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>What can I say? Watching not only series 3, but the entire previous two series' comprehensively trashed by the finale has left me feeling - and I'm not exaggerating - utterly sickened. That blood-freezing scream at the end underlined that we have willingly subjected ourselves not to a dream, but an 18-hour waking nightmare. Kind of reminded me of the mother's scream at the end of the film Threads - a black howl of despair and hopelessness. Episode 17 was poor, but episode 18 really took the biscuit. One of my main criticisms of the show was that it was only tangentially connected to Twin Peaks. Episode 18 had no connection whatsoever to Twin Peaks. I think that it's safe to say that Lynch was taking the piss the entire time.

>It's difficult put into words how utterly furious e17 made me. Bu retconning the story so that Laura Palmer never died, Lynch effectively ripped the heart out of the original show. How are we supposed to view the original, in which so much was invested over so much time, in light of the revelation that it, in effect, never happened in the first place? It turns what was a tragedy into a minor inconvenience and effectively wipes the whole narrative from existence. Remember how upset fans of The Simpsons got when they were told that Principal Skinner was an imposter all along? This is even worse. People have grown up with this story, and to callously destroy it in this manner is just cruel and mean-spirited.

>No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

What do you think Sheryl Lee's butt smells like?

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>>87368403

>>87368374
Superimposted Cooper's sad face was the best part about 17.

too fucking depressing of an ending

>>87368403
fix your heart or die

>>87368418
>2017
>imdb

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>>87368403

>>87368434
Like hugs and kisses. : )

Cooper created a dream where Laura is alive.

He didn't fuck anything up, he just forgot he was inside a dream, and needs to find a way to get her out before waking up.

Sarah's screams resonate through his dream, reminding Laura of her identity in Coop's waking world.

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Judy is the house

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Room service

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So, what's the deal with disappearing box in Buenos Aires?

So why did Lynch and Frost decide to not reveal the script to %99 of the cast? Is it because it's pretty much about fucking nothing and that half of the actors would leave?

>>87368509
how can a regular house be so foreboding
lynch is a god

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>>87368434
flowers

>>87368527

One and the same

Q: Will we learn more about Annie and her fate in the new series?
A: All I can say is: Wait for my addendum to the book [Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier] to come out.


LMAO

ANNIEFAGS BTFO

>>87368403
>(drunk guy, billy)
heh

>>87368418
I hate that I share a board with that faggot from the last thread.

>>87368403
lol

TWIN PEAKS SEASON 4

The year is 2189. Space Patrol Officer Dane Copper is assigned to investigate the murder of Lara Parker aboard the Orbital Platform 7W1NP34K5 and comes face-to-face with the infamous hacker syndicate BLACKLODGE and the malevolent AI B-08 who has been brainjacking the colonists for decades.

Is it true that Lynch killed Jack Nance?

Post the three top kino episodes.

>>87368536
Imagine your main claim to fame being a tv show that was extremely popular in the early 90s, then going from small role to small role in various tv shows over the years that nobody remembers, then when your claim to stardom returns you only get a small role and get overshadowed by new characters

>>87368626
3, 8, 18

>>87368624
Yes. Twin Peaks was also about him raping his daughter

>post yfw there will be a CW remake of Twin Peaks when Frost and Lynch are dead

Any African-American women aged 65+ browsing ITT? Message me if so.

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>>87368403
>no connection at all with the plot or thematic devices of TP or FWWM
>there are literally clips from TP and FWWM in the Return

Lynch will die now

>>87368536
So nobody knew everything and nothing meaningful could leak. The few times things did leak Lynch was super pissed.

>>87368677
this

F

>>87368624
!Elpoep kcalb setah osla eh

The 1 star is for MacLachlan managing to shine in this utter turgid disaster. In fact, the man deserves an Emmy for being the only thing breathing life into this sterile nihilistic nonsense (no thanks to Lynch+Frost). The people raving about this are pseudo-art-house lovers. This is utter garbage masquerading as art-house. After giving this the benefit of the doubt, I don't just hate it: I wanna spit it back out of my head and separate it from my loving memories of the old, great Twin Peaks. And this is coming from the artiest of arty viewers with diverse international tastes who has sat through some of the weirdest, slowest things ever put on screen.

Congratulations, Lynch. You have now managed to make the Evelyn Marsh, Dick Tremayne and Billy Zane sections of the 1st 2 seasons look like gold in comparison. This production is the single most awful,repulsive thing I've ever seen on screen. It's right up there with watching a live octopus being eaten by a actor in a Korean film. At least the latter was mercifully brief...

>>87368666
Ray...

>>87368626
8, 16, 18

>>87368626
8, 16, 18

>>87368536
They did the same thing in the original series. Ray Wise was apparently somewhat devastated to find out that he killed Laura.

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>>87368663
>Written by Marc Guggenheim and Greg Berlanti

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>all the lynch episodes of the original series were the darkest ones
>he ended the show with cooper trapped in the lodge
>being surprised that the new season directed entirely by lynch was dark

lmao

>>87368713
get lynched

>>87368587
>All I can say is BUY MY BOOK

Real subtle, Frost.

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>>87368666
>devil trips

RAY NO

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>>87368169
Serious rating.

>>87368738
>>87368740
Uhh... I'm not sure if hivemind or just posted twice.

>>87368626
8,11,16
18 was shit, 17 was too cheesy. Nowhere near good as the S2 finale. (Hell, even the S1 finale, and what little of it I remember)
11 had the best Dougie segment.
8 was indisputably kino

>>87368743
When did he find out? I thought it was pretty clear by the start of season 2.

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>You.. and.. I

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douGI SAVE LORa

8 WAS THE BEST EP

>>87368626

3, 8, 17/18

>>87368403
this must be bait kys

>>87368650
>>87368740
>>87368738
I guess people have come in terms with episode 18 already?

>>87368803
Realistic patrician/10

>>87368762
>trapped in the lodge
>using lodge powers to jump into dreams

I really don't see how he's "trapped" anywhere. He's able to travel through lodges, dreams,realities, and has knowledge of where to go/what to do.

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>>87368666

Ray... Easy on the black grandmas.

>>87368626
No one mentioning 3? wat

>>87368861

Episode 18 was always good.

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Out of all the runtime this show had, what was the lowest point for you?
The only thing I really hated was NIN's performance in The Roadhouse, this was too out of place and I'm saying this as a former fan, almost killed the mood for the otherwise best 8th episode.

>>87368650
>>87368883

>>87368894
*cool

I still don't know what to think of the ending.

Where did the quads go?

>>87368626
3, 8, 18

if i were to create a "fan edit" of something like, all of Richard Horne's scenes together in one, where would I upload it? would youtube kibosh that immediately?

I don't understand the coordinates thing. Mr. C said he was looking for the picture on the card, which I assume is pic related. So why did some of the coordinates take him to the electric trap that killed Richard and the others took him to the White Lodge which lead to his death? Is he that dumb?

Also what did Coop mean when he told Cole he was trying to kill two birds with one stone? Destroy Bob and Judy? Save Laura and destroy Judy?

>>87368403
i agree with this. S1&2 was an original mystery cop show that was its own thing as well as commentary on TV at the time. S3 does the contemporary commentary on TV shows and antagonists, but it never tries to be like season 1&2 it only tries to be better than it. S3 was good. But it lacked soul.

>>87368861
I was a little distraught right after it. It was difficult to process but it left a huge impact on me.
Highest points of this season are e8 and the final sequence.

>pale horse means death
>log lady says:
"A poem as lovely as a tree: As the night wind blows, the boughs move to and fro. The rustling, the magic rustling that brings on the dark dream. The dream of suffering and pain. Pain for the victim, pain for the inflicter of pain. A circle of pain, a circle of suffering. Woe to the ones who behold the pale horse."
>sarah palmer, a woman in eternal misery over the death of laura, would see a white/pale horse when she got drugged by Bob before he went out to kill
>cooper sees a white/pale horse
>Laura/Carrie has a white horse toy in her house
So what's the white horse?

>>87368912
I hated everything with Audrey

her first scene was terrible over-acting, and it only got a tiny bit better

also in her first episode it ends with an obese women singing with auto-tune. It was fucking painful, and a terrible choice, If it wasn't auto-tuned it would be fine.

>>87368834
Apparently it was the morning after the Emmy Awards in 1990, so prior to season 2.

>>87368803
>17 that low

Why?

>>87368861
That has to be bait. 18 was not GOOD. The concept and the desolate feel of it was fine I guess, but it was boring as fuck
>10 min Dern and Coop traveling
>5 min sex scene
>10 min night drive scene
Yeah it was sure as hell time spent well. It's not like there were a million different storylines that could've wrapped up.

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>>87368848
Dale Cooper is a fucking beta loser who got clingy to some dead high school girl and couldn't let go while Dougie was an alpha male fucking hot women, making dosh at work, chilling with his gangster bros, and all around being a man's man

Dougie would have saved Laura, "Beta Male" Dale Cooper never had a chance.

Mr. C know what Judy was, but he didn't know its identity, or who Judy was possessing.

>you've already met Judy
Coop/Boop had already met the person possessed by Judy

ALTERNATIVELY

Judy is like Garmanbozia, and is a catch-all for the horror and misery and negativity of the whole world. Coop had already met Judy by coming so close to horror.

>>87368879
He was trapped for 25 years.

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>>87368973
forgot pic

>>87368879
Except he tries to use his 'magic' and it fails him.

>>87368973
>Ray is an FBI informant
>gives Mr. C coordinates to a trap in order to kill him
>the coordinates he's ACTUALLY looking for are to Twin Peaks...aka where the mother is (Sarah)

>>87368882
Laura, I've said this before, and I'll say it again, because I worry about you. We've been friends for a long time, and God knows the stuff we've been through - and so do you. You've always cultivated that free spirit, that weird way you have to do things, and I respect that. I don't often meddle in your life, because I know that you can handle your own problems in your own way. So when I come to you talking in a serious manner like this, you're one to know that the situation is not like it usually is. And both of us know pretty well what this is about, don't we?... Yeah, we do. That garmonbozia. You're not going easy on it, Laura, and it worries me, because anything can happen right now. You're not your usual you, you're acting strange, and I don't know what else to do. I'm reaching to you personnally, because we're both adults, and have a long history together. We both care about each other, and know when it's time to ask each other politely - as I am asking you at the momment - to go EASY. Taking it easy is not an easy thing, if you get me. You probably do, you're a smart gal. Always have been... But you're letting yourself go, and it's getting to everyone of us. People are often asking "is she going to take it easy on the garmonbozia?". Because, man, this is getting really out of hand. So, I'll say this once more, and it's because of everything we have with each other, and I believe I can honestly come to you and say it: Laura.... please, buddy..... easy on the garmonbozia.

>>87368861
Something that has the power to get under your skin that bad has to be good.

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>>87368803
>le 12 is bad meme

>>87368894
The initial reaction I had was that the episode was a bit boring, and the ending was a big slap in the face. And yet I can't stop thinking about the episode. Everything about it feels so haunting. Not sure if it's in my top 3 of episodes, but it's definitely unique in its own right.

>>87368912

I don't even like NIN and I enjoy that song. The scene itself doesn't bother me either, it's a perfect transition from Booper getting shot to the White Sands flashback.

anyone else think 17 was shit?

>>87368626
3, 6, 8, 11, 18

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>>87368998
haha lynched

>>87368713
>implying someone would read your pathetic whining

Reminder that no matter what happens the FWWM ending is THE Twin Peaks ending.

>>87368626
3 or 8
16
18

>>87368587
It's clear that Annie has been retconned by Coop's actions so she's probably a nun or something

>>87369006
My bad, I thought you meant the new series

Somehow missed where it said "original" series

>>87368966
I've been watching endless Twin Peaks season 3 vidos on youtube so I imagine it might stay up

>tfw I'm still reeling from the absolute kino of Twin Peaks and have nothing I feel like watching

Where the fuck do I go from here? Should I take a break from television and film and move on to something else after the dust in my head has settled?

>>87368403
>splattered into celluloid like the ejaculate of a masturbation addict
don't give him ideas

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>>87369136
That's ok anon. We're all friends here.

Have a sleepy kyle :3

>>87368626
3,8,18

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>>87368626
The top Parts are 3, 8, 11, 16 and 18 the best 3 of those is 3, 11 and 8 probably.

I think 18 blows all of them away in terms emotional impact.

>>87369151
read a book

sheryl lee needed more screentime

>>87368434
david lynch semen

>>87368121
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
aahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>87369151
I settled on rewatching Lynch's entire filmography for now

>>87368666
Ray stop using Lodge Get Magic to get free porn.

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Why couldn't you save her?

>WHO DO YOU THINK THAT IS THERE?

what did he mean by this?

What was the significance of that ethereal sound coming from the room in the great northern?

>>87368533
the cow jumped over the moon

>>87368973
>So why did some of the coordinates take him to the electric trap that killed Richard
He says that he's gotten two matching coordinates leading to the trap. Both are from Jeffries (or, alternatively, Jeffries and Fake Jeffries).

>>87368966
Vimeo

>>87368998
L Y N C H E D

>>87369151
I've been basically watching-rewatching some MacLachlan movies, it's surprisingly good at filling the void

>>87369190
I may put on Blue Velvet again. The scene where Cooper was watching Laura fight with James reminded me a lot of the deleted scene of Jeffrey in college.

>>87368966

If you credit Showtime, Lynch/Frost, etc. in the description, make sure you cover all the bases with copyright shit, you should be fine.

It usually depends on who owns the rights to distribution though (probably Showtime). If they're notorious dicks on Youtube for taking down clips from their shows, it ain't worth it. Some companies don't give a shit. But FX is a real fucky one, for example, you won't see any HD clips from Sunny on Youtube. Just a bunch of people filming ten seconds snippets of their TV with their phone. Same with NBC.

I'd like to see a compilation of Booper scenes as well though if you go through with it.

>>87368834
They went to such efforts to keep it under wraps that they actually filmed the scene of Maddy's murder with Ben Horne just as a decoy to throw people off. If Raw Wise knew you can be pretty sure that ONLY he knew.

>>87369174
not him but
>read books now more than ever
>barely watch TV except for Twin Peaks

I'll probably go back and re-watch the original series before re-watching the Return. Still got nothing TV-related that I'm interested in though

>>87369213

Josie.

>>87369200
Love is not enough.

>>87368193

The Mitchum Brothers are Mit Chums.

Is s4 confirmed yet? I want to keep being lynched please

>>87369211
>(You)

>>87369172
That shot of Carrie in the car is probably my favorite in the entire series. I can't believe Lynch was able to wring some tension out of a something as inconsequential as a car being behind the protagonists.

>>87369151
I watched FWWM last night and I'm starting the series from the beginning tonight. The ending fucked me up to the point that I don't want to watch anything else right now.

but I do want to watch Serial Experiments Lain sometime soon

>>87369092
It felt like a deliberate parody of season 1/2. I didn't hate it but I don't get how people wanted it as the tone for ep 18

>>87368121
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
You can't be serious. Get some tast faggot.

>>87369092
It was fun

>>87369200
Because an ancient evil mother figure possessed her mother and altered reality to make her think she's someone else instead of having been saved from her own death.

It pisses me off how many people keep asking what happened to Becky.
How obvious do you want it to be?
Do you want Lynch to pause the show and walk on screen to tell you Becky was killed by her boyfriend?

>>87369223

Nope, one from Briggs, through Hastings' secretary through Ray, and one from Jeffries. The one he got from Diane was the right one (Twin Peaks).

>>87369267
I may start that one from the beginning.
All I've ever caught of Lain was a detailed description of MJ12.

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>>87368101
Show me ONE shot as iconic as this in season 3 /tv/. You can't.

>>87369213
It was a gate between the real world and on top of the convenience store.

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rewatching from the start and I forgot about this neat detail in part 2

"But Laura Palmer is dead"
"I am dead. Yet I Live"

and then she takes her face off the same way Sarah/Jua Dei does but instead of static and darkness like behind Sarah's face, behind Laura's is brilliant white light

>>87369200
Because she is destined to be the good dragonball and she has to endure eternal pain as the One

>>87369213
It was coming from Coop's room, which became a portal

So is this the end or is there more to come?

>>87368663
>CW remake of Twin Peaks when Frost and Lynch are dead
>what is Riverdale
>what is Bates Motel
>what is The Killing

lmao

>>87369282
That was his only valid point though

>>87368626
No mentions of episode 1?

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>>87368996
>in before he says it was "too cheesy"
>a fucking Twin Peaks episode being called "too cheesy"

You can spot the bandwagoners real easy.

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>>87369211
That whole scene is great, but that line in particular is extraordinary ominous. Can you imagine this guy stumbling into your office and spouting all kinds of cryptic shit before disappearing?

Boil down the season to 9 episodes like it was originally announced.

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>>87366524
>but this felt to me less like a cliffhanger and more like another story starting

It was just another installment in an eternal Cooper saga. Goes to Twin Peaks, gets stuck in an absolute surreal world for 25 years. Goes back to Twin Peaks, gets stuck in an absolutely real world for 25 years.

Don't fuck with omniscient evil entities, or you might get stuck in reality.

>>87369274
I wanted that as the tone for the entire series

>doppelcoop creeping around town
>real coop chases him down
>everyone confused
>coop kisses all the girls
>coffee (hot!) and cherry pie for everyone

I'm getting comfy just thinking about it. Need to rewatch s1+2

>>87368996
My one issue with 17 is that it sort of solved the entire season's main plotline of Badcoop in a single scene. I don't really mind it but it did irk me a little that after 16 hours of his plotline he just gets shot by Lucy and punched several times by a britbong in a frankly hilarious scene until he stops existing.

Also, Cooper just sort of pops up and is then gone. He does not even acknowledge Albert's existence.

>>87369311
What was the last scene Becky was in?

>>87369368
T H I S
H
I
S

>>87368673
>see james and laura on the bike
>immediately speak out, "What about this, James"!
Twin Peaks is the ultimate memecollage of all time.

>>87368973
>the others took him to the White Lodge which lead to his death? Is he that dumb?
He was either looking for Sarah, or for Naido/Diane, who'd be part of the pathway to Judy's Laura/Carrie. When the Fireman trapped him in the cage and then released at the police station, he jumped at the Diane opportunity, but didn't count on the Fireman bringing all the people needed to defeat him together, or Cooper getting the Ring.

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>>87368998
>Storylines getting wrapped up
>David Lynch

At what point does Twin Peaks season 2 allegedly start going bad?

now that general opinion seems to have swayed in S3's favor I guess it's cool to hate it on 4chan

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>>87369214
>There are numerous theories about the origin of the rhyme, including: James Orchard Halliwell's suggestion that it was a corruption of ancient Greek, probably advanced as a result of a deliberate hoax; that it was connected with Hathor worship; that it refers to various constellations (Taurus, Canis Minor, etc.); that it describes the Flight from Egypt; that it depicts Elizabeth, Lady Katherine Grey, and her relationships with the earls of Hertford and Leicester; that it deals with anti-clerical feeling over injunctions by Catholic priests for harder work; that it describes Katherine of Aragon (Katherine la Fidèle); Catherine, the wife of Peter the Great; Canton de Fidèle, a supposed governor of Calais and the game of cat (trap-ball).[2]

>This profusion of unsupported explanations was satirised by J.R.R. Tolkien in his fictional explanations of 'The Man in the Moon Stayed Up Too Late'.[5]

>Most scholarly commentators consider these to be unproven and state that the verse is probably meant to be simply nonsense.

P O T T E R Y

>>87369378
I think the phone call to her Mom about going to the RR to talk and eat

>>87369346
It flopped with the viewers and the last episode was critically panned. What do you think?

>>87369326
Yeah there's a lot of stuff that we're forgetting

>>87369374
Just watch the X Files.

Ive taken 2 days to really let episode 18 sink in and honestly its probably one of the best endings to a Lynch work ever made.
The possibilities are endless as to what happened inside the alternate world and what happens to Laura after the scream. Does she wake up the morning of season 1 and become BOBs host? Does BOB not exist after Freddie punched him out of existence in every timeline and now Judy will devour Laura? Will they even find themselves back in the original timeline? Are they stuck along with Diane in the black lodge forever? Did MIKE acquire Laura's soul for good? There's so many questions and it could basically go any way but even if there's no season 4 I'm content with how most loose ends were tied up while still leaving the resolution to the states of Dale/Richard and Laura a mystery.

>>87369316
Is...this a reference?

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>>87369316

>>87368990
The white of the eye.

>>87368912
It was the only musical performance I liked in season 3, not counting Julee Cruise. The rest was just dull dreampop.

>MacLachlan has stated that he views Cooper as an older version of his character in Blue Velvet (1986), a previous David Lynch collaboration. "I see my character as Jeffrey Beaumont grown up. Instead of being acted upon, he has command on the world."[2]

SHARED MULTIVERSE CONFIRMED
BLUE VELVET WAS COOP'S PREVIOUS STORY
RICHARD AND LINDA IS THE NEXT

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>>87369200
You can't change the preordained path, even if she is saved from BOB/Leland the universe will correct it to make her suffer another way

>>87368973
I might be wrong, but I think Judy was in the white lodge? The Fireman said that "it is in our house now" as he played the sound that judy makes when she steals Laura away. Unless it was something else that took Laura that is.

So basically Lynch just took a dream he had about Twin Peaks and made it the ending right?

>>87369404
After the reveal

>>87369368
If that had happened you'd have to remove all the irrelevant scenes and characters from twin peaks and people would bitch about there not being enough stuff about the town

>>87369432
>Will they even find themselves back in the original timeline
Depends what Kyle is up to in 2042.

>>87369404

It never does.

>>87369404
the one where David Duchovny's character is introduced is the tipping point for me, the Laura Palmer story's over and stuff just sorta happens afterwards

>>87368368
honestly thats literally the only thing I didn't like this season

every scene frank going "sorry i'm not not harry i'm his brother frank" got old quick.

they should have just had him play harry desu. hes a better actor anyway

also fuck ontkean for not returning

>>87369404
Season 2 actually has the most memeable moments.

So nobody knows what happens to Audrey? Also, those scenes in episode 17 with young Laura were recorded with this ending in mind?

>>87369001
Reminder that Jeffries's replies are out of order across all scenes with him.

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>>87369200
Nice day for a picnic, huh /tpg/?

;_______________;

>>87368990
>So what's the white horse?
The white of the eyes, and dark within.
I think the horse may be a symbol of the curse of Judy that affects Dale, Laura, Sarah, Leland and possibly Diane

what in the fuck do i watch after this

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>>87369511
This

>>87369536
The Prisoner

>>87369536
Young Pope, Wild Palms

>>87369536
Theater.

>>87369485
I was always under the impression that crossdressing David Duchovny was some studio exec's pathetic attempt to make the show "weird" like it was initially. I was surprised to see him reprise that role for season 3.

>>87369536
psych

>>87369536
Nothing

>>87369536
Stop watching tv

>>87369432
>Will they even find themselves back in the original timeline?
Why would they? The evil's been balanced out and Judy moved onto another universe when Cooper and the Fireman sent her there. BOB and Bad Dale were that world's biggest problem, and it's been taken care of. Richard and Linda's timeline is what needs saving now. And the next one after that ad infinitum.

>>87369457
The Veils was the best performance, though

>>87369190
>Watch Lost Highway
>Understand that Lynch is just making the same film ever since.

>>87369522
>those scenes in episode 17 with young Laura were recorded with this ending in mind
well yes, because they were shot along with the other season 3 material

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Why did Diane see another Diane in the motel and not react to it? Why did she feel up Cooper's face in that weird way?
Why did Lynch decide to show us exactly half a second of Coop grabbinng what presumably is Laura Dern's titty?

Was anything in the Red Room scene for the finale new, or was it all footage from the one at the beginning of the season?

>>87369552
God, Maddy. oh Maddy

>>87369554
Anon, I think you've answered my question. Not the guy you're replying to, but kino is probably all I can watch for a long while.

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Don't mind me, just posting the objective best girl.

>>87368319
Original series / FWWM: Mrs. Tremond / Mrs. Chalfont overwrites the owner of a home temporarily in order to deliver the message that Laura whispered in Cooper's ear: "My father killed me"

S3 Finale: Mrs. Tremond / Chalfont overwrites the owner / interior of a house because Laura needs her memory intact before facing the true occupant—Cooper is remembering what Laura said in his ear this time. "My mother is Judy".

>>87369610
Laura didn't show up, and Cooper looked at her chair because he knew she should have shown up.

Also the Arm said some different stuff.

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>>87368509
>Lynch
>doing a story about a possessed space
i don't THINK so

>>87369554
I should rewatch this.

>>87369585
>sent her there
Sent Laura there I mean.

>>87369585
>The evil's been balanced out and Judy moved onto another universe when Cooper and the Fireman sent her there
That hasn't really been set in stone though, especially with the whole Ms. Tremond thing and Judy's diner along with the electric short circuit that blacks out the Palmer house in the Richardverse.
And by original timeline I mean will the one where Laura is saved, Judy is extinguished and the Black Lodge is sealed away never to take the garmanbozia of another again.

>>87368101
>Moral of the story is that it's ultimately pointless to look into things too deeply
>Series ends with master detective of both inductive and deductive reasoning becoming totally lost and baffled, not even knowing what year it is
>There is no way to solve half/most of the lingering mysteries, because obviously not enough information was provided and various plot elements openly conflict with one another
>Gullible fandomtards take exactly the wrong lessons from all of this and construct series of "omg how could you not understand this" theories about what they just saw.

>>87369649
this desu

>>87369604
She is Lynch's ultimate waifu. He can't stop putting her in everything and makes sure there's an extreme close up of her face at least once in every film she's in.

>>87369604
Because Cooper sent a copy of Diane and himself on to continue an adventure that he knew would never really be resolved. What we see is Diane making sure that Richard and Linda go on their way properly.

Mr. C is dead, BOB is defeated, Cooper goes home to Janey-E, and uses a copy of himself to trick Judy into being distracted into crafting deeper and deeper deceptions to keep Laura Palmer away from herself.

>>87369463
I feel like Judy was pulling strings behind the scenes, similar to the Fireman pulling strings visibly in the story.

Something about the way Diane changed from Naido makes me think of Judy. The egg that Diane comes from looks like the mother's face and the thing that pops up when dougie leaves the red-room.

I think there's a lot of her working to fight Coop/The Fireman's actions. We just have yet to figure it out.

>>87369604

she was losing herself and cooper and she tried to desperately feel his true face before drifting into next reality or "other side" or whatever it was. her seeing doppleganger was probably just warning for her that she wouldn't know cooper soon

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>>87369634
>>87369668
>Twin Peaks is The Village
>Cooper is Number 6
>Bob is Number 2
>Season 3 is Fallout

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>>87368101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfRPLbSyiSM

The roadhouse was real. R-right?

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ELECTRICITY

>>87369065
same

>>87369374
Lynch didn't want to re-hash the same stuff clearlyl, he wanted to re-invent television again.

>>87369651
The arm said what Audrey said.
Audrey's the dreamer and the story of the little girl who lived down the lane (Laura) had ended. Now the story has changed.
Charlie's job is to change the story once it ends, and Audrey is the one to dream it.

>>87368912
I skipped most of the musical scenes, it just didn't fit in with the show for me

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>>87369483
Season 2's "Little Nicky"/Tremayne subplot is actually one of my favorite parts of Twin Peaks. It's so fucking bad that it feels like one of the intentionally campy bits of the show.

>>87369649
Pottery

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>>87369492
>Michael Ontkean is a better actor than Robert Fucking Forster

Nah, friend. Not even as much as I love Harry, nah.

Also as I'm sure you know, Forster was the original choice for Harry back in the day so in a sense he belongs there more than Ontkean.

>>87369594
But she was young! How?

>>87369477
This. It was still pretty good until the killer is revealed. After that the plot basically just goes nowhere until the last few episodes.

Remember when Cooper was fired from the FBI for a few episodes just to keep him in Twin Peaks? They ran out of ideas especially with Lynch leaving the show.

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>>87369536
Forbidden Zone

You ain't seen nothing yet

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PUSSY

NICE AND WET

>>87369729
yet ANOTHER twin peaks insurance scam

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I rewatched Part 1. Now when the Fireman says "Richard and Linda" it makes sense. But what did "430" mean?

Also, what is /tpg/s consensus on the meaning of Part 18?

>>87369766
CGI and lots of makeup, you dope.

>>87369522
I assume she's lost touch with reality as a result of getting raped by Mr. C. Or maybe that was a tulpa of Audrey and the real Audrey is trapped in the black lodge (since that's what happened to Diane).

>>87369592
It's okay though, since only with so much build up he was finally been able to achieve such impact with the same ending.

>>87369577
Agreed. It wasn't even camp, just straight up kitsch.

>>87369761
he said robert forster was a better actor

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>>87369729
>people charged in local insurance scam
>Dougie solved an insurance scam while at work

SAME REALITY CONFIRMED

>>87369714
that's extremely sad and makes a lot of sense

>>87369704
That's one of the stretchier interpretations i've seen so far

>>87369761

But he was shit in season 3 and did nothing of value expect leave a massive hole where Michael Ontkean once was

>>87369761
i was saying forster was a better actor than ontkean. thats why he should have just played harry.

>>87369786
I thought he was referring to her just coming out of the shower, instead her vagina

>>87369601

i'm gonna keep these panties, if ya don't mind

>>87369314
(Doppel)Diane's also came from Brigg's, though. It was on the body of the girl who wrote down what he said.
Ray was the one who changed it. Had to be.

Only question is how.

How is Sheryl Lee still such a qt? And not to mention that ass in those jeans, anyone got a webm of that?

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>>87369789
Sheryl is still a QT, that's all that mattered

>>87369789
In the last episode, Coop tells Diane that they're exactly 430 miles away from, eh, wherever they left from. But I guess that's the place where he travels to, eh, the alternate timeline?

What did the giant mean by killing two birds with one stone? Mr. C and Bob?

>>87369740
ywn be as pure as andy

Oi lads if you want to understand TP better just read the Ronnie Rocket script

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Why was this my favorite scene of the entire series?

>>87369685
>That hasn't really been set in stone though
That's the beauty of Lynch. I could be entirely wrong or 100% right and I don't even think Lynch is completely certain.

The timeline where Laura is saved could be the most mysterious part of The Return. I took it to mean she disappeared without a trace, never to be seen again due to the scene where Cooper was leading her away from her death.
Even that change, small as it would be, would wildly alter the course of events in several ways.

>>87369817
>implying

don't make me hat wobble you

what actually happened with the hat wobble thing though? did bob just miss and shoot his hat? i don't get it desu

>>87369211
>>87369366
He is talking with Mr. C, real Cooper and Gordon Cole simultaneously, without the sense of whether it's future or past.

Look at Mr. C's dialogue with Jeffries while reading their lines in the backwards order. When the flashback appears between the dialogue, Jeffries experiences it as part of the same dialogue as Philadelphia, thinking that Cooper is Mr. C and pointing that out to Cole.

>>87369211
Jefferies thought it was 1991 and he was looking at dopplecoop but after telling them about the convenience store meeting he realised it was only 1989. Jefferies having been exposed to the lodges can now move into different demensions and times as can Cooper now.

Legalize garmonbozia 430 blaze it

>>87369816
It's the only interpretation that answers more questions than are raised, accounts for the second Diane, the strange behavior of Cooper in the end, and offers closure along with a kind of happy ending, for some.

Remember episode 1, when it aired there was all that speculation about Jacoby and the shovels.

haha

I thought Laura was made to counteract BOB not Judy? Why would Laura matter for Judy? Everyone just assumes Laura can destroy Judy or something but that makes no sense to me. Wouldn't the giant be the one who could destroy Judy? He is basically the good equivalent to Judy.

>>87369875
Its sheer unadulterated comfiness mixed with tension on first viewing. Speaking for myself, I was terrified for Cooper, but also very comfortable.

>>87369817

He had funny scenes with his wife and Wally Brando.

But yes, it would have been much better to have Harry. it would have made a lot of his scenes resonate more and it could also have given Lynch an excuse to do some fucked up Josie scenes in the lodges.

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>>87369848
>>87369858

>>87369880
I think Bob missed just barely when he got shot in the back but we never see any kind of hole in the hat.

>>87368626
>nobody mentions 12
and you guys think you aren't plebs lol

>>87369404

Episode 9.

>>87369714
This. It also may have been Diane looking over at Linda, and her realization that she would be left behind in the previous story while Cooper moved on to the next.

I am inclined to think that Lost Highway is the most realized Lynch movie. Too bad fucking RAMMSTEIN completely ruins the mood. Fucking LYNCHED

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>>87369536
I kind of wanna rewatch the entire show. I feel so fucking hollow, the comfy detective story laced with cheesy soap drama might just be what I need. I feel like I did after I watched Fire Walk With Me, I'm just drained. But I don't feel ready to give the show up yet.

>>87369722

Clearly. James, Shelley, and Freddie are all see there.

The scenes with characters talking Billy, and the Audrey scenes, are probably some bleedover into the alternate reality created by Cooper. That's why they're unrelated to the plot.

The Roadhouse is real, some of the residents are not. At least in the standard reality we see for most of the season.

>>87369940
Is that a wedding ring on her hand? I'm wondering if the guy she killed was her husband.

>garmonbozia is russian for harmony
nani

>>87369859
>What did the giant mean by killing two birds with one stone? Mr. C and Bob?
Either that or waking Laura and foiling Judy's plan in one swoop.

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>>87369020
>sometimes i feel my arms bend back
>experiment has backwards hands

>>87369940
Jesus Christ I loved Lee's ass in this episode. Jeans need to make a comeback yesterday.

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>>87368999
Dougie wouldn't only have saved Laura, he would still have gone to Odessa and without even trying improved the life of everyone there, and then he would have saved Judy as well.

>>87369988
Yes, it was her husband in an alternate life that Laura lived.

>>87369921
He's gonna dig his way to the red room

>>87369921
kek almost forgot

>>87369922
>Wouldn't the giant be the one who could destroy Judy? He is basically the good equivalent to Judy.

those are just more assumptions, anon

how can you know who counters who or who is the equivalent of fuck all

>>87368533

I think Mr. C "manufactured" it out of gormonbozia and Black Lodge oil, like a tulpa. It worked like some kind of leet hacking server he could pilot remotely through power lines. It dropped the instructions to the billionaire and the assassin's manager.

>>87369921
>an actual 5 to 10 minute scene of nothing but some /pol/ LARPer madmadn painting shovels gold started the new season of twin peaks
>all of the purpose of big ed and norma getting together finally
I'm too amused to be angry
I don't know why I'm so willing to let Lynch get away with this shit

So JUDY pukes up BOB egg and a load of other eggs, the white lodge send a Laura egg to earth, and years later an egg hatches and crawls into Sarah's mouth while a woodsman puts the town to sleep.

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>>87369713
>I feel like Judy was pulling strings behind the scenes
Fuck.
>on Laura's meals on wheels route
>had been in the trailer park before Teresa was killed but fled before the FBI got there
>in the convenience store, her grandson (her familiar?) tells Bob to "fell a victim," like they are his superiors
>lived in the Palmer house in the new timeline, but was gone before Coop and Laura got there

>>87368992
>an obese women singing with auto-tune
I had to skip the credits that episode. Only time I did, holy shit was that singing bad.

>>87369634
and The Prisoners finale was just as mindblowing and pissed everyone off when it first aired.

>>87369978
Shut the fuck up you sheltered faggot

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>>87369880
bad special effects like the rest of the series

>>87369835
>chantall
>taking a shower

u wot m8

>>87370030
So is the idea that Laura is a god. I am basing this off of episode 8. We see what is supposedly Judy (but this is also technically an assumption) spitting out Bob and a bunch of other evil things. Then we see the giant make Laura essentially the good equivalent to what the evil Judy thing did.

>>87370054
Twin Peaks IS The Prisoner >>87369719

Why did Douglas Jones come back looking like Cooper and not like the long haired fat guy he was?

>>87369965
12 was the worst. The only people who think it was good are faggots like you who pretend to be deep.

>>87369921
S4 bitches.

Golden shovels, golden Laura orb, golden souls.

>>87369988
Well if this is a different story with a shuffled deck, the themes may have been similar. Cooper is something of a wildcard considering he's aware of the previous story, but other characters may have been shuffled in thematically similar roles.
Carrie, rather than being a victim of paternal abuse, probably switched to being a victim of spousal abuse. He had a gun as well and she could easily have been defending herself or just had enough in a sense akin to Shelly's relationship with Leo.

This would also tie into the themes of Blue Velvet, in which Kyle plays a man who has a love interest played by Laura Dern who finds himself needing to help a tormented,
abused third party.

NEW

>>87370104
>>87370104
>>87370104

>>87369875
>I can't eat this.

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>>87369996
>it's real

>>87370013
>Duge saving Judy's blackened soul just by stumbling around

The thought of it made my eyes kind of misty.

>>87370098

Because Dougie was made in 1997 and he gained some weight over the years

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>>87369880
can I get a hat wobble?

>>87370095
Lol. Didn't see the post but I totally agree. Love both shows.

>>87370011
Where do you live that people don't wear jeans?

>>87370049
>being too stupid to realize that the convenience store scene was an argument over creamed corn and the grandson was warning BOB he could lose the battle between himself and the rest of the lodge spirits demanding their share

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>>87370059

>>87370085
>>87370030
>>87369922
>Main boss Judy
>sends her underling BoB into the world to fuck shit up

>Main boss Fireman
>sends his underling Laura into the world to un-fuck shit up

Now that the Fireman's underling won, Laura can take on the final boss

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20 generals, thousands of redditish theories, but I have not come across someone sharing my view:

episode 17 was the perfect finale

episode 18 felt like something added in a rush

like opening already sealed doors just to shout sth you have just remembered, which only disturbs the satisfying and well-earned silence

>that perfect scene of Laura disapperaring from Coop's grasp
>that scream
>that silence
>that slow fade into Cruise

why would you ruin something so gut-wrenching yet fulfilling and beautiful at the same time with this alternate reality bullshit

>>87370098
Dougie 1.0 was made from Badcoop, Dougie 2.0 was made from Goodcoop

>>87370181
Central Texas. It's all yoga pants and pantsuits. It's like the only women who wear jeans here have no asses to show at all or are just buying really shitty jeans.
Least I have the yoga pants.

>>87370085
Again just because you see those two things happening in sequence you assume there's an equivalence or that the giant is as powerful as the thing that spawns bob

>>87370042
>I don't know why I'm so willing to let Lynch get away with this shit
This is my ultimate take-away: I'm either a huge sucker or Lynch has an almost unbelievable ability to make something dumb extremely entertaining

>>87369604
>Why did Diane see another Diane in the motel and not react to it? Why did she feel up Cooper's face in that weird way?
She and Cooper were going to the next reality knowing that some things would change. They both tried to hold onto their past identities. Diane failed, and crossed into the role of Linda.

>>87370236
Because Lynch thought he could get Season 4 and a lot more money so he broke the ending to allow a Season 4 to be tacked on if it ever happens.

>>87370265
Dougie 2 was Richard. This time Cooper was the one to use a copy to trick the enemy camp. Cooper went home to Janey-E and used another copy to distract Judy into keeping Laura Palmer away from her, keeping her focus and attention away from Twin Peaks forevermore as she dives into deeper deceptions crafted to protect herself from Laura.

>>87369368
No Roadhouse bits, no Audrey, Richard or Carl scenes except the ones that involve Becky/Steven, the Dougie storyline is resolved within a few episodes after the attempt on his life, he shocks himself with the electrical outlet he eyes in the police station. The Mitchums never get involved, Cole and the FBI team come to take him to Twin Peaks. Bad Coop goes straight from the prison break to visiting Phillip to Twin Peaks.

You could probably achieve the same basic story in 9 episodes with those and a few more cuts but I wouldn't. The Dougie plot is the main place things could be streamlined but even though I felt it drags on a bit longer than it needed to some really great scenes came out of that.

>>87370299
Then why assume Laura is as powerful? Laura didn't do anything except scream at the end. There is no reason to think she can stop Judy or have any effect on Judy.

>>87370269
Huh, I'm in northern Louisiana and jeans are probably the most common bottoms here

>>87370326
>implying coop would have the heart to create a copy of himself to lock into eternal torment in a different reality

>>87370379
Why indeed

>no explanation

wtf i hate lynch now!

>>87370236
No episode 17's ending was stupid. Going back and erasing the entire events of Twin Peaks isn't unique or interesting it is just lazy writing.

>>87370419
That's probably why they had Coop not succeed

>>87370454
Even having it as a goal is pretty dumb.

>>87369404
Even though the plots in the middle episodes generally range from bad to unbearable, the characters are just so likable that it's mostly worth watching. It's like a cozy slice of life anime. I'd just skip the James scenes, there's nothing redeeming about them.

>>87369701
>various plot elements openly conflict with one another
>"omg how could you not understand this" theories about what they just saw.
Lost Highway interpretations are the guiltiest in this. The parts about Mystery Man's exploding cabin and its contains, or him being seen by other characters, or the "Far East" message, or the whisper constantly get ignored because the camera line and the electric chair line are seen as the only true keys.

>>87370396
>implying Cooper would have the heart to make a cheap recreation of what's already a dead man to give to a real human family

Cooper went home and pounded sweet Naomi Watts pussy ever night and raised Sonny Jim as his own. Any other ending is super fucking depressing.

>>87370049
Your thinking on these two is backwards. BOB fell a victim to the fury of his own momentum. She wasn't on the Meals route, she popped up to tell Donna things and deliver the diary page that said what Laura whispered in Cooper's ear (hmm, Tremond making Cooper remember what Laura whispered in his ear about a parent, sounds familiar).

Gave Theresa Banks the ring in the trailer park to save her shit. Gave Laura Palmer the ring by inviting her physically above the convenience store (ring refused due to confusion).

>>87370419

I think that "it was all a dream" or "the ride never ends" ending is much worse

not only that, but 17 wasn't just erasing all the events. the ending with Laura disintegration provided some horryfying truth about changing the past

all that shit in 18 was basically aiming for the same thing, but in needlessly complicated and confusing way

>>87370523
It just seems to me the kind of thing Coop would try to do when given the power to do anything

However I think he screwed up by trying to go beyond the simple goal of destroying BOB / evilcoop. Basically at that point he was just using Lodge power for his own purposes, even if the purpose was well-meaning and noble I could see it being very haram on a cosmic level or something which is why he broke reality or whatever