/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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>>87352525
REPOST

>The scittering sound happens when 80's Laura gets sucked away. We see that same sucking-away-and-screaming thing happen directly in the Lodge to separate Laura from Cooper. So where Judy is keeping Carrie is most likely an evil Lodge dimension.

>You enter the Black Lodge through fear and suffering. The pocket dimension created by Judy to cage golden-orb-Laura must be closed off to good spirits, so human Coop has to rescue Laura for the Giant. It's a dark place where he can't even speak.

>They cross the threshold at "430", but it isn't until waking from the sex scene does Coop's personality change and he actually arrives in the motel he leaves to find Carrie.

>So Diane's rape trauma leading to that sex being horrifying was actually integral.

>That's my working explanation, anyway.

end credits music edition
http://picosong.com/wsrgs/

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First for chuck

>>87352525
kys my guy

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>there are people who don't realize part 18 was just an excuse for Lynch to show off Sheryl's fine milf ass wiggling around

Lodge magic is lucid dreaming

>>87352607
DILATE.

REMEMBER: HAIRBALLS.

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...In my vision, I was at the post limit of a vast discussion, a /tv/ thread of some... fantastic proportion.
There seemed to emanate from it, a light from within, this gleaming, radiant text.

I'd known this thread.

I had in fact been born and raised there.

But this was my first Twin Peaks: The Return...

A reunion, with the deepest well-springs of my being.

Wandering about, I noticed (happily) that the thread had been immaculately maintained.

There'd been added a number of additional memes, but in a way that blended so seamlessly with the original construction, one would never detect any difference.

Returning to the beginning of the catalogue, there came a bump at the front page.

/tpg/ was standing there.

It was happy and carefree, clearly living a life of deep lore, and theory.

We embraced, a warm and loving embrace.

Nothing withheld.

We were, in this moment, One.

The thread ended, and I awoke with a tremendous feeling of optimism and confidence, in /tpg/, and its future.

That was my vision... of you.

I'm so glad to have had this opportunity to share it with you.

I wish you nothing but the very best, in all things.

What happened to Audrey? What was going on in her storyline?

>>87354119
u got lynched

>>87352525
Guys, I've been LYNCHED on a cosmic level.

The "globalist conspiracy" is the Black Lodge doppelganger of the ideal of Communism. It looks like happy be-nice-and-share-for-the-children Communism on the outside, but that's an illusion hiding evil autocratic Soros-brand tyrrany. Lynch's support of Bernie is all part of his art.

Anime is pro-individualism, pro-freedom, pro-capitalism and celebrates genuine femininty as well as merit in special individuals, and provides strong female icons that remain feminine despite their power or status. It's a mirror image-inversion of globalist propaganda. It's a good-natured "doppelganger of the doppelganger" to globalist communism. Anime and weeaboo fandom is like the Evolution of the Arm, to globalist communism's Man From Another Place.

The "Experiment/Mother", disgorging streams of mucousy globules containing round, egg-like blobs? Into "water"? Remind you of a certain female presidential candidate's speech?

LYNCH WARNED US ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

Hello Buella

>>87353050
i hope Briggs is happy with the giant

>>87354119
She got CHIM'd.

>>87354119
Furthering the dream metaphor and to show there are multiple dreamers

>>87355703
so this is how /tpg/ ends. The shitposting consumes itself in pointless topical current-year memery.

>FWWM shows how the past affects the Future and how the Future affects the past
>The Black Lodge ruling itself outside of the Time-Space Continuum
>"see you in 25 years"
>Major Briggs body unaffected by time
>Scenes showing Cooper traveling into the past
>Future changed after saving Laura
>"WHICH YEAR IS IT?"

>IT WAS ALL A DREAM NOTHING HAPPENED XD!

"No"

david lunch lol

>>87356271
Which death would you prefer
Topical current-year memery
Or every thread being nothing but Sheryl Lee appreciation?

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>travel to Twin Peaks with some FBI agent who says I'm some other girl
>he realizes he fucked up and has no idea what's going on
>my vagina when

Who was that guy in the jail who was repeating everything and was tearing his face off?

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>>87356300
The latter

This is now a Sheryl thread

the part where cooper goes to twin peaks and comes out of the coma is after he comes out of the lodge i.e. after he rescues laura. he and diane went into the ...parallel universe... and then he saw her again when one punch lad shattered ray wise's soul. i immediately rewatched it and there are several very obvious things like this.

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>>87356338
Cutievate it

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>tfw some dumb shoop you made makes the OP before /tpg/ becomes non-exist-ent

rip tpg

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What did he mean by this?

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Now do you understand why we never saw her in season 3?

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>>87356357
The call that saved cuteposting.

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God, I can't believe how good the episode was. Everything was so cold and joyless, and incredibly slow moving but there was so much tension. So much mystery to it and so tortured, it's the most depressing episode of the show if you don't count Fire Walk With Me.

Season 3 almost made us forget about the bleak reality of what is at the core of this show, and Part 16 and 17 turn whimsical, giving us some false hope of a fantastical resolution to it all. Then all the pain and suffering in this world comes back to punch you in the gut. Yes, season 3 was dark and full of hopelessness, terrible things happening but there was a certain apathy to it, it didn't leave an impact on anybody, not even on the towns people of Twin Peaks.

I'm left completely stunned by it, I haven't felt this way about a movie or show since I watched Fire Walk With Me 3 years ago. It has truly left a mark.

>>87356385
f i r e d

>>87356385
Because she's a muffin?

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>>87356393
And in turn, cuteposting saved us

>>87356300
neither

I sure hope the blu ray set of this season has a whole bunch of deleted footage. I will admit that the most disappointing aspect of the season is how little its many plots amounted to.

What did Tammy, Albert, and Gordon actually accomplish? I don't think they had any bearing on the plot, whatsoever. Even Ben Horne's couple of scenes served, functionally, as a means of giving his hotel key to Sheriff Truman so Cooper could... enter the room in the Great Northern (I suppose that he could have asked Ben when he got there, ha).

I am fine with side-stories existing for their own sake, to an extent (like Ed/Nadine/Norma/Jacoby), but for so much time to be devoted to Gordon and Albert and Tammy, only to have them functionally do nothing for 17 hours, is kind of a letdown. Unless someone has a better take on what their story was supposed to accomplish in the larger sense of the season.

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>>87356375
This s literally a hand gesture David Lynch does every time he talks about ideas and dreams, it's like he's willing an existence into place for himself in this moment.

I don't believe in any dream theories so far, but then again I don't think there is an ultimate right interpretation to this final hour of the show either. There is a lot to it, so much to dig into an analyze.

Masterful.

>>87356425
Yeah their purpose was basically exposition and to tie Diane into the plot

We're famous, /tpgreddit/
http://www.nme.com/blogs/tv-blogs/twin-peaks-fan-theory-cliffhanger-ending-2133973

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>>87356385
The good Donna is behind plastic and can't get out

>>87356425
>Unless someone has a better take on what their story was supposed to accomplish in the larger sense of the season.


For funnies and lore.

Someone needs to waterboard Lynch until he explains what he meant by this.

He doesn't have a clue. He's just a senile old man who threw together some random scenes he thought looked cool.

>>87356425
Diane and the exposition of Joh Dah and the meaning of the Blue Rose investigations.

>>87356375
meant to show his control over the situation, give you that feeling that cooper knows exactly what hes doing and is about to solve this mystery and right the cosmos and then oh shit he's a retard who can't even find the right house oops

>>87356394
the simple reason i don't agree with this common platitude is that laura's scream is basically an affirmation that cooper has found the right person and done 'something'. so is there any indication that they are trapped? no. is there indication that she is waking from a dream? no. there is only indication that the lodge exists outside of linear time or is a point where all timelines converge and that laura's scream is similar to one in which she is whisked away to somewhere else. for all we know she escaped and the credits scene is her saying "my father killed me" in perpetuity. its not sad, it is literally dark, yes, but its even pans in on her face like a joke.

>>87356425
They destroyed the Diane tulpa which disrupted Mr C's plans to do...something

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>tfw my life is starting to fall apart again now that Twin Peaks is over

>>87356375
He became a magician like MIKE

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>>87356418
>tfw Sheryl will never know that over the last few months she improved the lives of hundreds of anons on /tpg/

Almost as sad as the finale desu

>>87356335
billy

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>>87356512
this anons brain is so strangely wired to crave traditional storytelling and neat youtube video theories that tie everything together that he wants to torture people who write stories that arent for him and also thinks anyone who doesn't do stories his way is mentally impaired

>>87356548
>this is fine

Anybody remember The Big O?

Remember that season 2 finale that was completely similarly fucked and explained nothing?

Turned out in an interview from a few years ago they said if they got a season 3 they were gonna explain it, but also ask more questions by the end. They never intended to answer more than they asked. David Lynch made a similar comment about what he said he wanted season 3 to be.

So I'm not upset that none of it makes sense and Cooper's even more lost than he was at the end of season 2. Twin Peaks will never be wrapped up with a neat bow, so I'm just enjoying it for the ride and accepting that our theories are all we'll have by the end of each season.

The saddest part of part 18 was that Lynch brought Sheryl Lee back just to torture her one last time.

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>>87356548

>>87356548
>got a job during the season
>now hurricane irma coming my way
>probably going to lose job if I try to leave florida

rip

>>87356612
she loves it, anon

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>>87356482
ayy

>>87356425
It's pretty important on the basis that it works Diane into the story alone, she played a major role in the final hour.

I also think that without it, it'd maybe feel strange, an entire season of Twin Peaks without an FBI investigation of sorts. It was there and it fleshed out the mythos quite a lot, this is totally banal but if I had to guess I think that Mark Frost was the driving force behind that plotline and Lynch the Dougie one.

Dougie is all about the intuition of a character going through a world without understanding it, it's basically all mood. Whereas the FBI story is all lore and exposition there to make the universe feel bigger and more connected.

anyone else spending the next few weeks rewatching the series from the very beginning?

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>>87356578
We can at least hope the improvements stay and that some day, either through chance or supernatural intervention, at least one of us will be able to tell Sheryl what she has done for us all

>>87356596
This, anyone who expected the finale to tie things up neatly after the S2 ending is deluded. I'm surprised we even got SOME neat resolution with part 17.

>>87356630
why does that image feel like a screenshot from the return?

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The Palmer's house is so creepy, fuck. Turn your goddamn lights off if you're not using a room

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>yfw coop never met wally

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I will never not be depressed about this.

>>87356578
I'm waiting for someone to send her that James Joyce ode in the pastebin and send her into an agoraphobic terror for the rest of her life

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WHAT did anonymous scribe mean by this? Did they just throw together some sentences that they thought looked cool? This is when I realized that anonymous scribe was a HACK. It doesn't fit in with the pre-established Garden of Eden lore whatsoever! They really should have stopped at Genesis 18, this is insulting to everyone who spent time reading the previous chapters!

>>87356676
He never met "his" son either

If there is a new season i hope cooper will phase all over space and time and become a floating coffee maker

>>87356696
Holy fuck I completely forgot about Richard Horne. I was 100% convinced there was no way he was dead and the electricity sent him to the Lodge and he would factor into the finale. FUCK

was cooper trying to change what happened to laura then everything falling apart a metaphor for frost/lynch coming back for a 3rd season??

:thinking emoji:

>>87356596
I didnt expect the finale to be neat and explain stuff

but anything would be better than this retarded "gloveman punches things" shit

>>87356538
This is another hanging thread that is pretty disappointing.

While I can understand that a main theme running through this season is that the villains are actually not very threatening (when compared to "an extreme negative force"), and can be easily defeated (Doppelganger, BOB, Chantal/Hutch, Todd, Ike, Richard), I feel like it's a dropped ball to have this guy run around half the country with almost no explanation for what he even wants to do or hopes to accomplish. He has that card with the dark symbol on it (that Hawk never explains to Truman, or us), and while I think it is satisfying to see him swept away like so much trash, another line or two could have done much to get us to understand his story better.

>>87356375
a neat callback to ep3, when Cooper did not have the understanding or the ability to enter every room in the lodge. By the time he has the piece of the past (room 315), he can enter the lodge and travel further than he has ever been allowed (Dutchman's, the past (the future?), alternate reality (dreamland?).

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is bobe alright?

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>>87352592
Why does this song and credits draw me on so much. It's just a tone.

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I miss James

>>87356773
It doesn't matter

>>87356674
Scariest location in the whole show. The Palmer house is haunted.

It's haunted by BOB, or Judy, or the Chalfonts, or Laura, or Sarah, or Leland.

>>87356690
fully agree, maybe his colleague anonymark scrost will work his bullshit into the wider mythology in that upcoming book, but even so its just stupid wank from someone taking themselves a bit TOO seriously. are we just meant to accept that people can turn into pillars of salt now? it never even comes up again, just a completely worthless plotline there to antagonize the reader!

Why did even cooper care about laura? She was just some thot wrapped in plastic lmao

So what happened at the end?
Who is Judy?

>>87356747
Saitama was kind of silly but they couldn't have had the agents just shoot at a bob ball

>>87356658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_1Jxd95o7Y

>>87356790
Beta orbiter after eating her Black Lodge Pussy for 25 years

>>87356796
Judy is the ultimate evil and we will never know what happened at the end

>>87356590
>I am a true intellectual and a connoisseur of the arts.

>I'll see you again in 25 years
>what year is it

>>87356802
should have ended in a cherry pie fight 2bh

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>>87356596
I thought that after watching Part 17 that this wasn't the direction they were going in, I truly feared it was going to wrap itself up into a neat little bow and solve everything and leave everybody content with what happened.

That would have maybe been gratifying in the very short term but forgettable in the long term. The way this ended was shocking, and not shocking in the way the original series ended, it was shocking because of how painful it was, how sobering it was to be reminded of the awful life of Laura Palmer and how there can be no happy ending to it.

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friendly reminder that doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time

are we still pretending to like this finale?

>>87356790
It's less Laura and more the evil that came with her murder.

Y'know, the evil that kept him trapped in the black lodge for a quarter century, raped his confidante, and tortured the FBI and the northwest.

>>87356812
I guess Sarah was still there, is Sarah the evil mother thing or is that Judy?

>>87356844
what year is it?

>>87356813
being able to enjoy visceral art actually does not make you an intellectual or connoisseur, its an incredibly basic thing that does not make you special at all, its more that you should be embarrassed if you cant do it. thankfully there are plenty of films by the likes of david fincher, christopher nolan and many other directors for people like you to watch!

>>87356844
P L E B
L
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>>87356870
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>87356823
Actually...

Does Cooper know it's been 25 years? Did anyone ever point out to him that it's 2017 and he's been in the lodge for almost half his life? I can't imagine time moves that linearly in the lodge

Can one explain the overlay of Cooper's face in part 17

He realizes he's in a dream which would mean BOB wasn't really destroyed yet people think Laura waking up in 1989 is a good thing because BOB was destroyed

But then at the Palmer house he doesn't realize he's in a dream / alternate reality

>work of art leaves a lasting impression on me and makes me have a strong emotional reaction
>i have sub-100 iq though so i cant separate being unhappy about the characters' fates with being unhappy about the quality of the art

>>87356834
>coopers smile with coopers faded defeated face
One of the most chilling moments in the finale.

>>87356678
Kyle's shock/terrified/sad expression has been haunting my head since sunday.

>>87356804
this made me think
the uncle talked about by that Roadhouse girl and how she kept saying she can't remember if her uncle was there
I just had the image in my head of Carrie Page in that house and the guy dead in the chair and how she pretty much acts as though he's not there and she's fine with Cooper just seeing a dead body

>>87356860
I think all 3 are the same at this point.

And yes Sarah was still there I think. Remember that the first time we met a Tremond or a chalfont, they were living in a house that we later learned they did not live in and never had

The Return was a complete mess and I really thought the whole Dougie thing was as bad as it could get that is until parts 17 and 18. I think Lynch is doing the right thing by not making anymore films. He obviously has some issues. FWWM was a total letdown when I saw it in the theatre in 1992 and when I first heard that the new series was an extension of the film I got worried. There were some parts of the series I liked but I didn't see why we had to be built up over and over again just to be let down again. I bet the execs at Showtime regret spending all that money on this project. IMO it would have been a much better series if other people had been involved. The whole demigod Lynchian thing is what destroyed the project. So many things were not addressed and others went on way too long. It's over and I am actually glad it is. It was exhausting to watch and honestly just made me angry most Sundays. I don't understand why Lynch did this but if he wanted his final project remembered as a collosal flop that's what he got

>>87356899
He tells the Mitchums bros he's been gone for 25 years.

>>87352525
stop these threads. it's over. finito. move on.

Anybody else thought the series would go full meta when everyone was standing in the room and coopers transparent face said "we live in a dream"? Like the ending of the holy mountain. It's all an idea, a tv show.

I only went half-meta end

>>87356790
Patrician: knowing Laura is the main character

Pleb: thinking Cooper is the main character

lynch is senile

>>87356947
>Remember that the first time we met a Tremond or a chalfont, they were living in a house that we later learned they did not live in and never had
When was he first time?

>>87356933
The ridiculousness of BOB's destruction at the hands of one punch lad should be enough to hint to people that something is not right. I don't think that Lynch would pull some shit like that for the sole purpose of parody or playing with his audience.

>>87356948
>FWWM was a total letdown when I saw it in the theatre in 1992
You just aged yourself. you're too old to enjoy new and unfamiliar things. Kys.

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>>87356280
Season 4 will be epic. I can't wait.

>>87356979
early season 2 when Donna resumes Laura's meals on wheels program

>>87356933
I think it's just this foreboding thing. Like what we're seeing is happy and great and what we all wanted but you know some shit is about to happen and then we see Coop isn't done yet

>>87356970
Harry S. Truman is the main character though.
All that happened is his dream.

>>87356842
I miss him already

>>87356933
The "Laura wakes up in 1989 to a good life without BOB" theory is fucking stupid in general but yeah that's just another reason that it's false

garmonbozia

>>87356842
So what exactly was doppelcoops plan if he actually made the car trip to that timeline crossover place on the side of the road? He was obviously going to drive the same way Coop did in the finale to cross over to a different timeline, but then what? Carry out existence on that plane of the universe and just continue to do nefarious acts without fear of having to go back?

so what was the point of audrey's scenes

>>87357006
The old woman or who?

>>87356933
the overlay of cooper's face is not an "in-universe" thing, it's a visual for the viewer. it is the first explicit sign that the ending you are watching is not quite what it seems (although you might have already picked this up from the general vibe of the scene and knowledge about Lynch and how you might expect him to end a story), it's the first thing that shows the established reality breaking down and the sentence about dreams is there to remind you that this is all about dreams and its about to get dreamlike as fuck.

>>87357005
Let's hope they are doing it anon

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I think Richard wasn't even FBI. That badge looked like a regular local cop badge, or worse, a fake one. FBI badges are gold. The one he had was Silver.

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Name a more suspenseful story arc than this

who screams "Laura" at the end? Lealand?

>>87356989
>replying to literal reddit copypasta

Stop doing this

>>87357075
>who screams "Laura" at the end? Lealand?
It was Sarah

>>87357075
Judy

>>87357075
Sarah. The audio is recycled from earlier in the show.

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Fun fact. The car Richard/Cooper is driving in part 18 is the same one Mr. C drove in part 2, but with different plates.

>>87357075
It's when Sarah yells it to get Laura to come downstairs in the pilot.

>>87357075
It's a direct sound clip of when Sarah calls out for Laura in ep 1 when she doesn't leave for school that morning

>>87356880
I've been a Lynch fan for a long time and he's made brilliant movies. He's just completely lost it now and it's sad. He needs to retire.

>>87356979
the first time was when Donna was doing Laura's meals on wheels, we seen Mrs Tremond and her grandson who was played by Lynch's son and he made the creamed corn move from the plate into his hands
then later it turned out they had never lived there
then there's Fire Walk With Me in the Fat Trout Trailer Park it turned out the Chalfonts were in the trailer before Theresa Banks iirc

>>87357046
she asked lynch for screentime

>>87357124
your favourite lynch film is probably blue velvet you brainlet, shut up

>>87357115
a very common car though

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>>87356979

>>87357115
so Bad Coop knew about the alternate timeline? maybe that's what motivated him. he wanted to avoid getting rekt but did anyway.

SO MUCH SHIT UNRESOLVED
LYNCH SUCKS

>>87354119
There was more than one dreamer. When Cooper's face appeared that meant it was his dream and he realised it so he had control of what was happenening. Twin Peaks was an interconnection of dreams in a dimension, a world and Cooper has traveled to another world but thanks to the giant, he remembers where he comes from unlike Diane who starts crying at the sex scene as she's losing the sense of who she is.

"A magician longs to see, a chance between two worlds."

The Return handled the "dude dreams lmao" motif Lynch loves much better than Mulholland Drive did IMO

>>87357124
Just when you think you were lynched
You were actually FROSTED

>>87357203
lol

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>>87356674
>>mfw nobody ever turns off the goddamned lights and i get a $800 power bill

>>87357213
>people still think it's chance and not chants when it's literally been written down as such in supplimentary material and scripts time and time again

These are the brainlets you share this general with

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>>87357115
Neat!

Also, BOB is still alive, right? We see he's more spiritual than physical in nature, and the Woodsmen cut one BOB vessel orb out of Mr. C when Ray shot him and took it somewhere.

>>87356773
>gets cucked by Red
>no resolution

Being Bobe is suffering.

>>87357213
>chance
isn't it chants?

>>87357203
Go back to GoT retard

>Philip Jeffries has one small scene in FWWM
>only time Judy is mentioned
>only time dreamworld is mentioned
>only time we see the woodsmen and jumping man
>only time convenience store is mentioned
>25 years later this one small scene and everything mentioned in it is the core of Twin Peaks

Still pretty surprised that all the small shit this general memed in the beginning ended up being the most important stuff.

>>87357045
he was avoiding going back to the Black Lodge at the time, so the simplest conclusion is he was going there because the Black Lodge had no jurisdiction in that universe

>>87357277
my leo :_;

>>87357293
yeah, chants. some people have been hearing chance for some reson.

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>>87357123
So it's also something Laura couldn't remember, showing it's possessed Sarah that blacks everything out, not some kind of flashback?

Was it Sarah following them to the 430 point?

>>87357308
Has anyone updated the /tpg/ comic to include the finale?

>>87357308
MIKE says they lived above a convenience store the first time he makes the fire walk with me monologue

>>87356947
>>87357196
deliberate ambiguity but it doesn't explain Richard & Linda, RR looking different, Cooper/Richard having a different car, e.t.c.

>>87357308
MIKE said they lived above a convenience store in season 1

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>>87357350
not yet, I have no idea how to update it, still amazed by the finale

>>87357337
I think it was another car that prevented them from crossing back over.

>>87357308
The scene with Jeffries has been discussed pretty heavily for years just because it's arguably the most ambiguous and disorienting scene in the entire original series and film. I guess a lot of people just knew that you couldn't have David fucking Bowie stumble into the room and NOT say something extremely important.

>>87357308
You didn't know? lynch lurks in these threads all the time. He only selected the highest quality memes to bring back for the return, its why donna the foot never came back

>>87357308
TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION

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>>87357284
>Also, BOB is still alive, right? We see he's more spiritual than physical in nature, and the Woodsmen cut one BOB vessel orb out of Mr. C when Ray shot him and took it somewhere

How did you interpret it like this? They obviously just brought Booper back to life the first time. There aren't multiple BOBs he was some rogue entity created by Judy.

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>>87356647
True
She's still amazing no matter what

If old Coop went back in time then where's his DeLorean? Answer that Lynch you hack.

If One Punch Lad only purpose was to fight Bob instead of super strength I'd have liked him more.
The rubber glove would've made more sense there since it'd have been effective against the Lodge beings electricity.

>>87357308
I'm happy. It's one of the most unsettling and disorienting scenes in all of Twin Peaks

>>87357337
Actually that's a really good point.

But I think the call-out was more a symbol of laura and the suffering she endured. She was dead when her mom called out to her at that point, so it could just be representing her death in the "real" world and that life breaking through to her.

There is no season 4 and there never will be

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When Coop enters the electrical socket he is wear his fbi suit pin and when lays on the floor and has just replaced Dougie, the pin is gone.

Just after oi' bruv kills Bob, when everything starts shaking and Cole yells out "COOP", Cooper isn't wearing the suit pin. Right afterwards when things appear to be a bit shady and Cooper uses the hotel key to enter wherever the fuck he goes, he is wearing the pin!

Anyone else notice this? I think it is intentional since Mike says to cooper in the red room, "Is it future, or is it past?" But what could this mean?

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>>87357423
>There aren't multiple BOBs he was some rogue entity created by Judy

Jewdei spat out a fuckton of eggs.

>>87357308
"we lived inside a dream" is a direct reference to the fact that cooper first encountered the red room and its residents in his dream dumbfuck

Can we all agree that Ep 17 would've been a better finale?

>>87357308
Its strange that the appearance of Phillip Jeffries and the Meeting of the lodge spirits are the two most important scenes in all of FWWM and have the greatest impact on the series but in the original cut of the film they're mashed together so you can barely understand them

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>>87357528
hell, no. 18 had the perfect finale

>>87357528
For normies maybe

have you tried shouting Hello at the casino machine? How'd it go? xD

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>>87357435
That she is

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what was the significance of the 666?
Also there was an 8 on the door of the cell that Freddie was locked in then perfectly in frame when he smashed the door open as well as an 8 on the wall when Philip Jeffries walks into frame for the first time, from the elevator
then the 8 from Jeffries talking about Judie in part 17

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So, what year was it?

>>87357284
>the Woodsmen cut one BOB vessel orb out of Mr. C when Ray shot him and took it somewhere.
how low an IQ do you have to have to still believe this reddit theory

>>87357528
No, 17 was the pleb finale, 18 was the S2 finale I really wanted

>>87357504
Only one of them had Bob's face.

There is only one BOB, even if the other eggs are evil entities similar to him

>>87357499
>?"Is it future, or is it past?"

It was both, because we saw the past and then the future right before this.
I have no idea what both would mean to Mike though.

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>>87357455
>The rubber glove would've made more sense there since it'd have been effective against the Lodge beings electricity

Insulated against the Lodge. That symbology was pretty good.

My guess is that because the rubber glove is a manifestation of the Fireman, it was effective, not super punching in general.

It being a onepunch glove was the clue to the kindhearted and nonviolent Freddy as to what it was *for*, ie killing Lodge entities.

Friendly reminder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

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>>87357590
ODiog eJOEns

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>>87357571
Not to mention CUTE

>>87357545
Seems like typical Lynch obscurantism (and I don't mean that as an insult). It seems like practically all the scenes that helped elucidate questions that people had regarding the ending of the original series were cut, and in the regular cut of FWWM, we're left with somewhat confusing time fuckery with regards to Cooper's fate.

>>87357587
fuck, the pole that the Giant shows Andy is the one from Odessa, Andy knows where Coop is

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>>87357504
none of the other things spat out look anything like that BOB orb

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>>87357641
Of course but have you ever thought about how she's also CUTERST?

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Wait... who was the phone?

>>87356532

It could go either way, really.

As I understand it, Cooper did all he could. I mean, what he did was what he was instructed to from the very first or at least the second episode. Leland told him to find Laura. Laura told him that a part of her is still alive. The Giant told him more or less exactly what to do. And Cooper did.

>Went to the place 430 miles away
>Assumed the identity of Richard
>Found Laura
>Brought her back to Twin Peaks

Sure, he seemed like it dawned on him that he had no idea what to do when it turned out that Sarah/Judy wasn't at the house, he probably expected her to be there for some sort of final confrontation with Laura but still something happened when she screames, the electricity went out and seeing howelectricity is what the spirits of the Black Lodge use to travel it might mean that the Black Lodge was sealed. Or that the reality Laura was trapped in broke down and the both of them awakened in the real world.

There are a lot of positive ways to interpet the ending.

So what was the bug/frog?

Was it Judy or a manifestation or BOB or something else?

I think it was Sarah that it crawled into, which is why we heard the bug noise after she stabbed Laura's picture but right before Laura disappeared from Cooper's hand, as well as an explanation for Sarah's clairvoyance. But I don't know if the brog is Judy or something else possessing Sarah.

>>87357504
Yeah and only one BOB orb. We don't know that that bug was a manifestation of BOB and considering he wasn't physical and could inhabit whoever he wanted to I doubt it was him. I don't know why he would need to be born in a physical human body way only to be able to leave that body at will and take over another one.

I think more likely that the eggs and that bug were akin to sperm from the evil. Doppelcoop was able to conceive Richard due to his physical form but all the other evil people like Red were maybe conceived by those bugs and the people that were born from them.

>>87357666
SATAN TRIPS HOLY SHIT

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>>87357699
DOg eu9ejso

>>87357587
>324810

http://www.strawpoll.me/13867048/
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13867048/
http://www.strawpoll.me/13867048/
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13867048/
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13867048/

>>87352576
But this doesn't give any answers about the whole dream thing.

Does anyone understand the significance of the black box in argentina and the 2.53 adding to 10?

What a fascinating case of mass self-delusion this has been. It's truly amazing and disgusting how heavily people are stroking themselves over their ability to force themselves to choke down something that is so very poorly executed just so they can reach that oh so "clever" hidden story within.

Look, I know that it must be very comforting to keep talking down to people about how they just don't get the weirdness and complexity of it all (because WOW, use of metaphor and non-linear storytelling in the video medium? UNHEARD OF!), but that's really not the problem here. It's the absolutely abysmal pacing and structure. Yes people, we get it. Lynch likes to pull the same old thing out of his bag of tricks that he always has, where he tries to artificially induce unease by drawing scenes out well past their welcome, except instead of the handful of times spread out across a 2-3 hour movie we are now treated to 45/60 minutes of this filler in each episode of an 18 hour saga, leaving very little room for any actual worthwhile content. You don't need to be a mathematician to see that the ratio between the two is incredibly uneven.

But OK, yippee hooray for ARTISTIC INTEGRITY! He has such complete free rein to spew out completely unfettered streams of consciousness that no one at all will dare to tell him that maybe things like having a confused old woman talking to the police about who has the keys to a door for 10 straight minutes is an absolute waste of film, and none of you will dare admit that this pile of slop is in dire need of editing because you're too busy preening about what an artistic genius Lynch is, and how open-minded and avant-garde you are by extension for being able to wrap your heads around a plot that's literally been done a hundred times before in superhero comic books.

A big slow clap for you all.

>>87357757
I enjoyed it and am enjoying it more the longer I think about it. But initially I was lynched.

>>87357757
Kino to end all kino by also being the ultimate lynching of everyone.

>>87357518
You're talking about when Philip says it? Cooper hasnt had the dream about the waiting room at that point so how would he know? You mean Cooper saying it is referring to him having never left the first dream? But he clearly comes out and goes back in.

Are you just retarded or something?

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>>87357497
>tfw even if the Lunch Man wanted a S4 he couldn't do it because S3 was such a massive flop

fucking ameriplebs...

>>87357748
32-48-10

>>87357707
A manifestation of Judy, Judy is the horned white bitch in ep8

>>87357553
What did he see that made him question the year?

When is someone gonna update the survival guide?

>>87357553
nobody brings it up but it has to be heartbreaking for cooper having laura not remember him
he spent the last 25 years of his life with her and was desperate to save her

>>87357785
this pasta is gonna come in handy when the next Malick movie comes out

>>87357587
Are these numbers related with the coordinates in any way? Can't check right now.

>>87357814
i am saying david lynch made the actor david bowie say "we lived inside a dream" in order to reference the fact that in the tv series he had already made in the real world cooper first encountered the lodge spirits inside a dream, and he also knew that laura would go on to have a similar experience of encountering the red room and lodge spirits in her dream in that very same film since he wrote the film

>>87357843
everyone was white

In part 2, the arm says to cooper
>253 time and time again
2:53 is the time Cooper left his message to Gordon but what does the rest mean?

>>87357843
he was expecting to see Sarah/Judy at the Palmer house, but ofc she wasn't there. Maybe the whole 'is it future or past' thing dawned on him at that moment. Or maybe it was a trigger word for Laura. Really it all depends on whether you think Cooper/Richard knows what is going on or not.

>>87357666
I really hope Andy does something, but the scene where he takes Lucy to that specific location, did that even happen? It was just superimposed onto the screen and then eventually she shoots Mr C, as Andy comes into the room a moment later. That shit confused me.
also
>666
we live inside a dream

>>87357879
Doesn't he say "live" and not "lived"

>>87357903
Every day at 2:53 you're able to access the lodges from Jack Rabbit's whatever

>>87357699
Someone cleared up the audio in a previous thread. It sounded an awful lot like Sarah Palmer

>>87357903
It's also the time Mr. C throws up and Coop exits the Lodge.

>>87357820
Latitude?

>>87357965
that would make sense, as she was with Bob for a long time so to speak

>>87357497
>>87357815
Except Twin Peaks boosted Showtime's subscription numbers massively, all by itself. The production team already sounds optimistic about making more. Frost wants to make more. The surviving cast want to do more. It literally just comes down to whether Lynch feels like it.

The money is there. The enthusiasm is there. There is more story to tell. So why not?

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>>87357528
What.

Part 17 would have been offensively bad as a finale, retconning the story and "saving" Laura, one punch man destroying evil.

I can't believe how many people there are that prefer 17 over 18

why is judy evil

watching the pilot episode and thinking about all the insane shit that happens between this and the end of the series is fucking me up.

>>87358006
It's not happening.

>there are people who went into The Return without watching FWWM
lmao

>>87356375
Groping Laura for 25 years takes its toll.

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>>87358022
i don't know. She is very bright for me

>>87358022
gordon literally says judy is a powerful negative force

>>87358054
We'll see. I bet you were Vedderposting a few weeks ago.

Is it future... or is it reddit?

>>87357936
I've been to one of their [the spirits] meetings. It was above a convenience store [MIKE said this to Cooper in his dream]. It was a dream, We [me and the spirits] lived inside a dream.

>>87358055
>there are people here who have never watch season 2

>>87358007
Part 17 was a commentary about what fans wanted. Cooper defeating Mr C. An epic showdown between One Punch Chap and Bob the Ball. Basically all fan favorite characters in one room.

>>87357903
Also the time when Naido transforms into Diane. So it's the time the lodge world can fuck with the real world.

>need to sleep so I can be up for work tonight
>read Secret History of Twin Peaks instead, knowing goddamn well that UFOs and alien abductions unsettle me
>Briggs' account of being sent to the White Lodge

Why did I think this was a good idea

Is there anything I can do to push this out of my head /tpg/, I just want to sleep

>>87358022
because she is the bug that was created from the atom bomb blast, the most evil thing ever created my man.

Lynch fans are like Trump supporters. After episode 18/first 100 days, only the truly die-hard/retarded ones still praise him.

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>>87358006
>There is more story to tell.
lol, if you understood the finale, you'd know that this was it. Laura's story is over and thus the show is over.

>>87357764
I feel like the box was supposed to be Jeffries. He's the only character in that story that would be there.

Why he's a metal box with a light on it, I don't know. But I think that is what it was.

>>87358136
Mark, can you give this lad >>87358130 some advice?

>>87358136
Frost, piss off. Nobody likes you or your god damned book.

>>87358136
>Anyone who likes what I don't like is retarded!

>>87358136
ebin comparison bro

Why is everyone in this site so obssesed with Lynch

>>87358150
I guess Mark Frost doesn't get the story either, since he sees Part 18 as the start of a new chapter.

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I didn't understand it and all I watched it for was to see Cooper to be okay and him and Harry be reunited.

>>87358174
Generally yes.

>>87358181
why are you in tpg retard

>>87358181
Because he's the most interesting working director.

>>87358181
don't be jealous Mark

>>87358103
It sounds like "live" and I'm pretty sure Cooper saying the same thing in part 17 confirms that he was talking about the TwinPeaks reality and not the convenience store.

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>>87357679
Yes because much like Laura is able to be across space and time, Sheryl is able to exist as CUTE CUTER and CUTEREST

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>there's people who hate the finale because it didn't spoonfeed EVERY answer

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I did think 2 timelines was the credible explanation for Cooper's last scene.

>Coop gets sent back to save Laura
>Laura is saved by Coop and taken away from inevitable death
>Timeline is saved
- life continues as normal
- Sarah Palmer's demon stuck in human form
>But older Coop and Texan Laura are now stuck in the timeline they were in initially

>>87358181
>season finale of a series 25 years in the making
>ended two days ago
>OMG WHY U HAVE BONER FOR LYNCH?!?!

Please stop being this stupid

>>87358206
Maybe in season 4. The only reason Truman wasn't recast was to give the actor an open door.

>>87358201
frost does not get anything, he's a total retard. he probably has some dirt on lynch, that's why lynch lets him have something to do with the story

>http://thesearchforthezone.com/
imagine something on this site was really important and we're all just ignoring it

>>87356788
It's haunted by nothing.
It's scary because gullible child-people project taboo on it.
David Lynch gave you something empty as a criticism of religion but you took the wrong lesson from it.

>>87358224
>and these are people who saw FWWM
really makes me wonder

>>87358201
>Mark Frost
literally who

>>87357859
Because Carrie Page isn't Laura like Dougie Jones isn't Dale Cooper

They're halves of the same person but also their own people with seperate thoughts and memories

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>>87358206
>feelio when Harry's sickness probably gonna kill him before he sees his good pal Cooper in the flesh again

MIKE is the real winner of The Return, think about it

>>87358208
Why not?
>>87358211
He needs to make more films
I enjoy twin peaks tho, there were some great shots

>>87358251
Was it revealed why he wasn't in it? The guy was offering a reward for someone to find a jacket like he wore in the show, a couple of years back. Seemed like he was keen.

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is the true meaning of TP that evil will always win in the end, no matter how hard we try?

who owns the glass box from ep1 again?

>>87358124
>all fan favorite characters in one room.
Nobody likes James, Andy, or Frank.

>>87358341
John Justice Wheeler

>>87358302
The only winner is Michael Ontkean for having the sense to stay away from this trainwreck.

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>>87358222
She really is like a divine gift
It's wonderful

>>87358245
People wank at his stuff here since forever

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at least dougie had a happy ending

>>87358324
yes, that's what I gleaned from it. Sort of goes in line with >>87358302 Maybe not necessarily MIKE alone, but definitely the Lodge (evil) as a collective

>>87358343
>Nobody likes James
James is a pleb filter. His storyline was the best part of season 2.

>>87358290
there is no proof that cooper was not cooper in the end

>>87358292
>Cooper
>in the flesh
pick one

>>87358251
you say it like there were lots of recasts in s3

>>87358306
>He needs to make more films
Really afraid he won't, but I'd be so happy if he did.

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>>87358343
friendly reminder that James was always cool

>>87358319
I'm guessing it was over money, like with Michael Anderson.

>>87358378
He didn't shout "DAMN FINE COFFEE" when he ate at Judy's.

>>87358341
Booper. it was to look for sightings of Judy/Cooper.

We have a colony in /lit

>>87358256
>durr everything i don't like is frost everything i like is lynch durr

Frost haters are the stupidest. Childish fanboyism at its worst. Lynch and Frost ARE Twin Peaks. Everything you like about the show is both of them working together.

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>>87358271

>>87358378
Yeah I know, I wasn't saying the guy at the end of 18 was Dougie, just that it wasn't Laura

>>87357785
you're not wrong

>>87358404
Maybe it was shit coffee?

>>87358324
No, the meaning is that love is not enough to defeat evil.

>>87358382
Most of the cast were able and willing to return. If Lynch wanted to close the door, he'd have just Donna'ed Truman.

>>87358370
Truly what matters

>>87358425
i like lynch's cinematography, lorepleb

It's good to see you again.

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>>87358251
>Maybe in season 4

>>87358380
I'll take percolator Cooper

NEW

>>87358489
>>87358489
>>87358489

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>>87358468
It's yrev very good to see you again too old friend.

Does Anyone have that Scooby Doo video that literally explains what happened in the ending?

>>87358445
DoppleCoop hates coffee.
Cooper loves coffee.
Richard is just content with his coffee, doesn't love or hate it.

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good to know twin peaks can still shit up an ending
>every special effect is dogshit
>"Oh that's just Lynch's style!"
>leave more plots unsolved than when we started at the new season
>"Oh that's just Lynch's style!"
>insert some of the most retarded characters I've seen in a TV show (aka Glove Kid and teapot Bowie)
>"Oh that's just Lynch's style!"
>waste time with unnecessary scenes (aka a lot of Jacoby's screentime, anything to do with Jerry)
>"Oh that's just Lynch's style!"
>defend a 54 minute episode with only 5 minutes of worthwhile content
>"Oh that's just Lynch's style!"
lmao
literally nothing to even say

>>87358201
Source?

>>87358324
>>87358446
Much like the original series, I feel like it implies that evil is always inscrutable, powerful, and ruins the accomplishments of good people; however the truly good never stop trying to defeat evil (internal or external), no matter how much they are sidetracked or confused.

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>>87358358
I can understand why Lynch made her a pure force for good in his show, it's a reflection of who she is IRL

>>87358264
Oh my god that site is real. It's hilarious.

>>87358529
would you fuck off with this shit

>>87358221
it's lived, lynch had likely not envisioned the ending of season 3 properly at that time, and you don't switch from past to present tense in the same sentence like that. It WAS a dream, we LIVED inside a dream. He's clearly clarifying the first statement with the second.

>>87358564
Guy's in love. Leave him be.

>>87358465
You completely missed my point and answered with a non-sequitir. Twin Peaks isn't just camera work, or any one element. It is a melding of many elements, which is why it is such a remarkable piece of story-telling.

To say "I only like it for [one element]" is to ignore the others that make it special.

>>87358520
It was just a bad dream.

That's how I'm going to look at it.

>>87358529
Good girls don't whore themselves at the roadhouse.

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>>87358529
Not memeing at all when I say this but I agree with that assessment of Sheryl

>>87358378
he acted differently and got addressed as Richard and Lynch has done a similar thing in 2 films

>>87358579
>guy is a lonely autistic loser IRL

much like how Cooper's morphs into Richard to learn the truth about reality, so too is the facade pulled away on the CUTE autistic savants

Does anyone attribute any significance to the fact Twin Peaks, WA and Buckhorn, SD are the only fictional towns in the series?

>>87358232
>credible explanation
>without evidence
Nope

>>87358378
>to diane before leaving: "kiss me, it might be different once we go through"
>once into the false reality Diane forgets who she really is and leaves Cooper, believing that she is Linda and he is Richard but he has changed "i don't recognize you anymore"
>Cooper acts slightly differently in this false reality that Judy has created to trap Laura in
>Cooper is acting different because he knows the reality he is in is flase/ a dream and this is Judy's world (the diner is named "Judy's"

>>87358319
Because he retired from acting
>>87358401
That midget was a brainless alt-righter who didn't get TP in the first place.

>>87358653
CUTEposters are the Dougie of /tpg/

How or why did Carl end up in Twin Peaks btw? Please no:
>this is all Chet Desmond's dream xD

Episode 17 DID happen in reality

Cooper says we're living in a dream because, after all the shit they went on, finally they're having a happy life.

Moments later he fucks up everything by saving Laura

Does anyone else think that Lynch personally doubled for Jack Nance in the new shot of Pete fishing?

>>87358572
I don't know, there is an argument to be made for the disconnect in Bowie's statements and it was shown that the convenience store could be accessed I the real world and not just in a dream. Doppelcoop takes Diane there for example.

>>87358813
A new trailer park bearing the name was established by the 2010s in Rodd's hometown of Twin Peaks.

>>87356970
Every ep ends with "Starring Kyle Mac".
Laura was just a macguffin and is not that profound or deep.

>>87358929
i don't disagree with the second party but bowie was clearly saying that he and the spirits were inside a dream

>>87356983
Please.
"When the robot robin was revealed on the Blue Velvet set, everyone said no way it looked atrocious and fake. 'It's PERFECT,' screamed Lynch."
He loves this shit for real for real and you should too.
One Punch Lad vs Bob was great and probably the most realistic part of The Return.

>>87358324
I feel like the real knowledge to glean from the ending is the cyclical nature of fight vs evil, rather than "evil always wins". Neither ever wins.

>>87358902
I didn't think that he referred to a dream in a literal sense. It's just one of many realities, all of them having dream-like qualities. This one got a happy ending and everywhere else he needs to go afterward is a nightmare in comparison.

Honestly, it probably isn't very profound, but it sure as hell ain't literal.

>>87358103
From the script:

JEFFRIES
It was a dream.
(takes Albert by the arm)
We live inside a dream.

ALBERT
And it's raining Post Toasties.

>>87358729
This. How could anyone think muxh else. All of these dreams are from judy.

>keeps replying to a dying thread for no reason