/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

My family, my friend, I have criss-crossed this great land of our countless times. I hold a map of it here, in my heart next to the joyful memories o the carefree days I spent as a young boy here in your beautiful town of Twin Peaks.

From Alexandria, Virginia to Stockton, California. I think about Lewis and his friend Clark, the first Caucasians to see this part of the world; their footsteps have been the highways and byways of my days on the road. My shadow is always with me, sometimes ahead, sometimes behind, sometimes to the left or sometimes toe the right.

Except on cloudy days or at night.

the true LYNCHING is not being able to find the credits music

KYS lynch

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>>87349542
Based Wally

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>>87349525
Can we just stop for a moment and appreciate how good of an actor Kyle is?

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Why did bob kill josie

>>87349615
She's isn't dead.

>>87349615
Garmon-Josie-A

>>87349615
Because she was tired of being typecast as an Asian beauty.

>>87349610
My dharma is the road, your dharma is...

Coop and Diane are dead. That's why Diane asks him in the car if he's sure he wants to do this. They're making a one way trip into Laura's dream. Diane didn't care, she was blindly following Coop because he's the only thing she has left to live for. Coop was going because he technically did save Laura from death in the forest, but her new fate was being trapped in her own dream. If he succeeded in waking her up then it's lights out for everyone else. Nonexistent.

It's technically a good ending because Laura wakes up and Twin Peaks remains wholesome, but at the cost of Cooper. Or maybe he's just stuck in her head now and visits her whenever she's dreaming.

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>>87349592
non meme ratings, although I do love you based blue rating poster

>>87349592
doesnt get any bluer

pure kino

>>87349700
dubs confirm

>>87349542
What happened to bushnells gun?
Cooper drew a pistol not a revolver
Yet there's a revolver amongst the guns he fries that looks like bushnells and those Trump faggots all had assholstered pistols

>>87349525
so what was this sorry excuse of a shitshow all about?

wtf do i watch now

>>87349725
/tpg/

Richard sucked. The whole thing felt kind of depressing somehow... I was so happy we got Cooper back and he didn't even give us a thumbs up

>>87349719
all about

>>87349700
How is this a short film?

>>87349719
Laura Palmer

>>87349652
must be why they make another dougie jones, huh? because twin peaks doesnt exist unless chet desmond v2 is in it.
why are these threads so shit?
the scream at the end is cathartic action and the super secret whisper during credits is an 'out of time' pun. arguing about plot points is embarrassing to read.

After laura whispers in coop's ear he looks completely horrified, and when she gets sucked away his blinking and movement is reversed. What gives?

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>>87349525
Christ, my dude. Tone it down on the sharpening filters

IS THE COFFEE ON?

>>87349719
Lynch's hatred of creamed corn, garmonbozia and the scary qualities of small town gas stations

>>87349725
That Neil gaiman anthology show that's being planned
Or just read a book

>>87349782
"I'm Judy, lol!"

>>87349781
>super secret whisper during credits
What's this about? Just the still shot of Laura whispering or is there audio to go along too?

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Gone forever

>>87349725
You read shitty fanfiction and shitty fan theories that dont come close to this

>>87349639
[taps own chest]

How much input did Frost have in this?

>>87349832
>Pure white background means she's in the white lodge

W H O A

>>87349652
>It's technically a good ending because Laura wakes up and Twin Peaks remains wholesome, but at the cost of Cooper
laura wakes up to a terrifying life of molestation and psychological abuse from her father. Why else do you think she would scream? in FWWM it was clear that leland wasn't entirely innocent, so even with bob destroyed its likely she'd continue to suffer. seeing laura with the angel at the end of the film WAS her happy ending. Coop tore it away from her because all he cared about was saving her, rather than let sleeping dogs lie.

>>87349794
He's giving a very Cary Grant vibe here.

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>>87349794

>>87349832
>mfw "get me out of here" meant getting out of the series

Was it evil Coop, good Coop or some stoic inbetween Coop in episode 18?

>>87349653
>17
kys

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Do Berniebros and Hilldoggers hate Twin Peaks because it portrays dark beings from another dimension feeding on pain and suffering in a negative light?

It is their culture, after all

>>87349719
Was about the futile nature of the good guy trying to battle forces he couldn't understand or trust and ending up getting utterly destroyed by them. It was a Lovecraft ending.

>>87349865
Can't believe this nigga is almost 60. How many people that age look this good?

>>87349866
this. fortunately this is over and as expected it was all for nothing.

>garland foresaw a wonderful future for his son
>bobby ends up cucked, his daughter his dead, and he'll be a cop in a freak show magic town for the rest of his life

>>87349652
>Coop and Diane are dead
>They're making a one way trip into Laura's dream.

WRONG

>>87349849
at least 50%

>>87349875
Laura's subconscious dream version of Cooper.

>>87349854
Whether this is what he was going for or not I like to think it's along these lines. I want carrie page to be a representation of the fact that laura palmer just doesn't get a happy life. Ever. In any timeline. That's just not the universe's plan for her.

Does drumpf exist in the new universe

kino driving scene

>>87349914
Frost is the plot driven dude, whereas Lynch is the character driven, art house shit you see in the show.

>>87349923
It's not a dream, mate.

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>>87349854
>in FWWM it was clear that leland wasn't entirely innocent,

He's stuck in some kind of stunted perma-remorse in the Waiting Room, rather than in the Black Lodge proper.

BOB might have just lied in order to create more suffering and therefore gormonbozia. It's even doubtful that he wouldn't pretend this using puppet-Leland if it wasn't true, anyway.

>>87349938
No. It's obvious he's in President Hillary's reality at the end.

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>>87349881
That episode was a disaster, I can enjoy the 2nd half of it more with the context of 18, but I'll never accept how poorly everything culminated at the Sheriffs station. It had no reason to be so abrupt and rushed. The Bob ball is the dumbest scene in the entire series, it's only saving grace is Cooper's awakening when it is over, if it wasn't for that superimposed shot I would say it rivals the dumbest of the dumb in the 2nd half of season 2, but at least this scene was punctuated by the gut wrenching realization in Cooper that everything has changed.

Am I the only sitting at work, not being able to do anything because I'm here thinking about that finale?

Fucking Lynch has no idea, but he fucking Lynched me to much for a tv show.

>>87349952
Inconsistentsies with the motel changing would prove otherwise.

Daily Reminder that Original Cooper was the one that went back to Janey E and Sonny Jim to live as Dougie Jones, and the doppelganger was the one that went to find Laura.

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>mfw i get cucked by myself

>>87349969
It was a hack job.

>>87349931
When Coop enters her house and finds the dead man on the couch I was beyond speechless, talk about unexpected!

>>87349977
I'm with you anon

>>87349938
>drumpf

Fuck off, commie.

>>87349938
why you called Trump drumpf?

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>>87349938
No, the bleak, unfriendly alternate universe is where the CIA niggers killed Drumpflstiltzkin and Hilldog won.

>>87349968
That's why it was so scary.

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Who else SHOOK by that ending

Based Frost did it again

>>87349759
Richard is a fanfic theory at this point from people who want to make a sad ending sadder.
>but muh letter
No proof that Diane wrote it. People assume that she did instead of that it was there before Coop woke up in the changed reality. It's just as likely that she was erased from reality during the transition into the new one.
>but why doesn't he act like Cooper
Kyle said in an interview that's been posted here over and over that we can expect Coop to act quieter and moodier at some point but it doesn't mean he's not still Cooper. He still has his FBI badge and knows his name, for example. Keep in mind that he acted similarly in the pilot, and was perfectly okay with punching a woman in the fucking face like he did in season 2 when he was rescuing Audrey. He awoke in a new reality completely alone and had a singleminded goal to follow, so I think most of his behavior makes sense.

What a fascinating case of mass self-delusion this has been. It's truly amazing and disgusting how heavily people are stroking themselves over their ability to force themselves to choke down something that is so very poorly executed just so they can reach that oh so "clever" hidden story within.

Look, I know that it must be very comforting to keep talking down to people about how they just don't get the weirdness and complexity of it all (because WOW, use of metaphor and non-linear storytelling in the video medium? UNHEARD OF!), but that's really not the problem here. It's the absolutely abysmal pacing and structure. Yes people, we get it. Lynch likes to pull the same old thing out of his bag of tricks that he always has, where he tries to artificially induce unease by drawing scenes out well past their welcome, except instead of the handful of times spread out across a 2-3 hour movie we are now treated to 45/60 minutes of this filler in each episode of an 18 hour saga, leaving very little room for any actual worthwhile content. You don't need to be a mathematician to see that the ratio between the two is incredibly uneven.

But OK, yippee hooray for ARTISTIC INTEGRITY! He has such complete free rein to spew out completely unfettered streams of consciousness that no one at all will dare to tell him that maybe things like having a confused old woman talking to the police about who has the keys to a door for 10 straight minutes is an absolute waste of film, and none of you will dare admit that this pile of slop is in dire need of editing because you're too busy preening about what an artistic genius Lynch is, and how open-minded and avant-garde you are by extension for being able to wrap your heads around a plot that's literally been done a hundred times before in superhero comic books.

A big slow clap for you all.

perfect ending desu

>>87349968

due to all the screaming and overall depression in the air?

>>87349985
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree doppelcoop did nothing wrong and Cooper was the real fuck-up the entire time?

>>87349977
I'm exactly the same

>>87349962
>that pic
Holy fuck Podesta are you trying to get caught?

>>87349782
Time isn't linear in the Lodge. She disappeared because that was the exact moment when Cooper saved her in the future and she was taken away to the other reality.

>>87350024
dehcnyl

>>87350032
Yes. It's social commentary on economic depression if she was president.

Everyone post all other shows besides TP that you've watched this year and thought were good.

>>87350024
LYNCHED

>>87350024

copy/pasta madness.

And a bad one if I might say so myself.

>>87350026
And I stole the glory from you just like Trump did Hillary HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>87350056
Here's my list:

>>87350024
Dugba or Reddit? I'm thinking the former, they're more assraped by the show there.

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Have you seen that penguin?

>>87350056
>>87350056
TP is the only show I watched.

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>mfw I have irritable bowel syndrome and got so stressed out from the finale, I now have a bad case of diarrhea

>>87349794
YAMEROOOO

>>87350056
GOT

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>>87349968
>>87349999
>>87350008
>>87350009
Fuck off drumpfkins

>>87349969
I can't tell if the sheriff's department showdown was intentionally corny or not. No matter what the truth of the matter is, Lynch is protected by so many layers of irony that his most die-hard fans will always say that it was an intentional satirical "ending" to mock other tv shows.

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>>87350047
They definitely thought full-blown Ministry of Truth shit would save them from nasty things like statistics.

>>87350056
American gods, literally it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6y2nhb/s3e17_s3e18_my_simple_interperetation_of_the/

read this dumbasses

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You can pinpoint the exact moment the Frosting ended and the Lynching began.

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post yfw when the credits rolled

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>>87350056
The Americans is fantastic, just gets better and better as the season go imo.
>>87350073
>>87350084
>>87350091
Lovely to see that /tv/ actually doesn't watch tv at all. Outside of #fandom meme shows.

>>87350056
Young Pope

>>87350124
Fuck off

>>87350124
>https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6y2nhb/s3e17_s3e18_my_simple_interperetation_of_the/

No.

I heard you computer gets cancer when you open plebbit.

>>87350131
>implying frost wasn't completely responsible for the finale

Frost is the man behind the curtain

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>>87350131
>Candie enjoying how wonderful the world is

Literally perfect

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>>87350134

>>87349977
>my first day back to school is today
>not going to be able to think about anything except whether I live in a dream and who the dreamer is

Lynch why did you do this to me

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>>87350134

>>87350139
But I'm from /mu/, not a /tv/ regular. Literally only here for Twin Peaks.

>>87349614
Rewatching the older seasons now haven't seen them in years, and yeah Kyle is fucking light years ahead in S3

>>87350124
that subreddit is cancer. Anyone who criticizes Lynch gets downvoted to oblivion. They suck his cock 100% as if he has no flaws.

Do you feel that going with a sad ending was the way to go for a series that will in all 99% likelihood definitively end here for good, to say nothing of how it already had a similar ending the last time it aired? Would something a little happier really have been so bad and pandering to normie masses?

>>87350178
>generic blonde with no body
>perfect

I think you mean boring.

>>87350196
>he says that like /tpg/ isn't the exact same way
Only difference here is that at least we have Vedder and Lynchedposting to make it somewhat funny.

>>87350016
Yeah, I see. Guess I got so blinded by nostalgia that I built too many expectations to see him acting like the cheery coffee loving fbi agent we all know and love. Hence my disappointment.
But even so, we can all agree that the scene where he fucks Diane is creepy as fuck right? Dude din't even do anything. Out of all things I wanted from this new season I sure didn't need to know he's a dead fish in bed

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I rewatched the black lodge dream sequence, and I always looked at the red pin Coop wears. After this season, I was thinking: it sure looks like some fire symbol, but aside the obvious "fire walk with me" could that pin tie to something more concrete, like the firefighters? Was Cooper in this sequence "The Fireman"? In the first 2 seasons the Giant was just the Giant, and not the Fireman. What if through the passing of timelines, Cooper becomes the new Fireman?

Also, I may be late, but I just discovered that one of the singers of The Platters ("My Prayer") is named David Lynch.

who /depressed/ here

>>87350202
I honestly thought it would've ended with Cooper taking her back home and the family welcoming them indoors to the theme, then cutting to black. It would be it since they said it was highly unlikely they would ever do another season.

But we got LYNCHED

>>87350056
Limmy's Show.

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>>87350216
>generic bald guy with no body
>perfect

>>87350202
>Lynch pandering to normies when given full creative control

That was never going to happen and everyone knew that beforehand

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where was based billy zane

>>87350261
machill?

>>87349615
He obviously pulled her into the Lodge so he could get some of Joan Chen's fine ass.

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All you morons attempting to understand this story are forgetting one simple thing. We never find out what Laura whispers to Coop and never will. There is only one (possibly two) man/men on this planet who know what she says. This is the key, understanding everything else hinges on this one deliberately unanswered detail, but the key is impossibly out of reach. You're even reminded of it when it's the last ever shot of Twin Peaks you'll ever see, as a final fuck you to the audience. And we can't even begin to speculate what she said to make Coop react with terror like that.

We'll never solve Twin Peaks. It's meant to be a convoluted mystery with no solution. But it sure is entertaining to read all these half baked theories.

What if the real Twin Peaks: The Return was David Lynch's meta comment on how you can't really The Return and that even trying it only makes things worse for everybody?

>>87350233
He was a dead fish that entire episode.
Because He was the doppelganger that Mike created as the original Coop went home to Janey E

>>87349979
I'm not good with words but this article explained it pretty well.

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/twin-peaks-ending-explained-answers-part-18-finale-david-lynch-1201872863/

>>87350300
This guy gets it. Lynch hated revealing the killer back then and that line but ABC forced him, so now that he has creative control he will never reveal what's being said.

>>87350233
That's the only scene I can't understand. I'm wondering if it's there to show us that Cooper with all his memories back and alone with one of the people he trusts the most in the world isn't afraid to show that his time in the Lodge has left him emotionally damaged, or like some people suggest, a sort of ritual meant to facilitate the change in reality. Sex triggered Judy to show up in the scene with the box so clearly there's some mystical power associated press with the act.

>>87349938
Obviously
The Judy dimension is full of shitty Texans who use guns to let themselves sexually assault women
Cooper has been sent to kill Trump supporters and so rid the world of evil

>>87350277
As a wig wearer, this triggers the fuck out of me.

>>87350300
We need to kidnap Kyle and Sheryl

>>87350282
wot

>>87349652
>not getting that Cooper sent a copy of himself to continue an adventure he knew would never really end and went home to Janey-E

It's the same reason why we see two Dianes at the hotel. The original is looking at her copy in the car to make sure they're going on their way properly.

Cooper knew that it would never end and used a copy of himself to trap Judy, forcing her to make deeper and deeper deceptions to keep Laura Palmer away from herself. Mr. C is dead, BOB is defeated, and Judy is tricked into trying to foil a copy.

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>>87350300
>mystery in the original run was solved when Laura's whisper was revealed to the audience
>Laura's whisper is shown countless times during this season but is never heard
>overlaying the whisper under the credits is Lynch's final insinuation that we will literally never solve Twin Peaks

I love the bastard

>>87350307
I think this is right.

>>87349653
>Mr. Jackpots episode
>8/ 10

>>87350109
I don't think it was being satirical of other tv shows, dude. I think it was instead playing with our expectations of what a "finale" should be in a tv show which the creators felt so strongly did not need a resolution to its primary mystery. I'm not gonna try and defend the bob orb because that shit was pathetic, but I think its important to take both episodes as two components of the same fundamental point. ep17 was the hammy, resolution-saturated ending where we saw the cliffhanger to s2 finally resolved (dopplecoop killed, bob killed, laura saved from death, etc.), while e18 was an epilogue which either hinted at the potential for a s4, or left us on an ending even more tortuous and confusing than s2. Both are essentially racked with disillusionment, as they show that wish fulfilment (either in terms of plot resolution or its complete opposite) is fucking terrifying.

>>87350244
Me. Can't think about anything other than the finale, couldn't sleep the night before, and now I'm really upset knowing that the last we'll ever see of Cooper is when he's on the verge of complete mental and emotional collapse with an unstable identity.

Feels really bad, man. I kind of wish I had never watched it at all.

>>87350376
Thats cool and it really making sense for everything

>>87350370
machill yourself

>>87350300
>There is only one (possibly two) man/men on this planet who know what she says.
lol isn't that cute, wishful thinking. We'll never know because there is nothing to know. I mean, If it was me I would just say "lean in and pretend you're whispering something important"

>>87349614
>Can we
This is the most obvious Reddit shit you can possibly do.

>>87349979
That was a time slip
Look at the decor it's older with a valve mini tv etc
Then he goes outside and it's the same motel but later on all spruced up and expanded with another floor on top and the whole area is more developed

>>87350196
Exactly the opposite. I saw one of their screencaps uploaded here yesterday and it literally said "I wish Mark Frost had more input." or something like that.

the credits music man

>>87350189
Explains the low quality posts

After some thought, I think the question "What year is it?" isn't literal one--all that matters is that it's a question at all.

Cooper and Laura haven't time traveled, they're somewhere artificial and "slippery." Judy steals away Laura when Coop is rescuing her, and Diane and Cooper give chase. The real Diane knows Cooper-- maybe even loves him--and trusts his intuition, so she plunges in with him. They drive 430 miles and enter into Judy's pocket dimension. Here, they seem to be indistinguishable from their Doppelgangers--Diane retains the trauma of her Tulpa (which she sees from the car) and Cooper maintains the steely, frightening drive of Mr. C (further evidenced when Cooper fries the guns. He seems to be threatening the waitress with his posture, and also warns the innocent chef that frying them might end up firing off a bullet and injuring/killing him).

Unable to deal with this (or maybe even stolen away by Judy) Diane "slips" away into Judy's ugly reality and become Linda to Cooper's Richard. Cooper might give up here, as he's once again lost someone he loves in the pursuit of good. But he remembers the giant telling him to remember "Richard and Linda."

The slipperiness of Judy's lair, I think, is mostly meant to disorient or discourage Cooper (or Jeffries, or anyone else who dove in to find her). Hence the motel shifting before and after Diane and Cooper stay. Or Laura being off at work that day. Or her being a murderer in this universe. Or guys pulling guns on him. But Coop reads the clues, beats all of Judy's trials, finds Laura, brings her to the Palmer home where Judy is holed up. The final hurdle for Cooper--beaten, lonely, and exhausted from the very long drive (if he slept, Judy would snatch him too, presumably)--is that Sarah isn't there.

>cont...

>>87346448
>It's the absolutely abysmal pacing and structure

Why can't anyone post good criticism?

I nabbed the credits music
Where should I upload it

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Holy shit, guys. The 'flickering away' effect that happens when Cooper disappears in the first scene of part 1 is almost exactly the same that was applied to Laura's body in part 17.
That means he is not going back to somewhere else, he's just being erased from existence.

Fuck...

>>87350462

>...
Cooper is almost ready to cave at this point. He's clearly shaken by the defeat. For the first time in this universe, probably in the entire show, he doubts himself, that he's "Special Agent Dale Cooper." Maybe he is Richard after all. Maybe he should just go home and sleep and then slip, like Diane, into his new life.

But instead he remembers the constant question: "Is it future, or is it past?" He, with his impeccable intuition, asks the question, and overcomes Judy again. Maybe it's an answer to a riddle, or maybe it's proof of Cooper's pure and unwavering nature. I tend to believe it's more of the latter, but either way, he doesn't give up and proves he's the hero through and through. This either directly allows or compounds with some sliver of Sarah reaching out to Laura, and Laura suddenly remembers everything. She becomes Laura again. And being Laura, with all she's gone trough, is so horrifying that it causes her to scream in agony. But Judy, regardless, is finally defeated because of her presence.

The endless fields of throbbing power lines we've seen Mr. C following all season go dead, and the electricity finally goes out in the Palmer house.

Which means that the fan stops spinning and hopefully will never start again.

>>87350404
Mr. Jackpots was 3 though, it played a much smaller part in 4.

>>87350439
obsessed

>>87350483
I wish I didn't see this shit for a season.

>>87350324
>>87350376
I don't care how unlikely this sounds, I will accept it as truth

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is there an actor that can convey as much emotion with just his eyes as Kyle Maclachlan?

Why did Laura scream

>>87349898
Well he was ridiculously good looking and youthful even as a younger man, so it makes sense

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Oh fuck, something's coming to me.

>Jeffries shows Coop that the twin peaks form an infinity symbol
>a planet appears and the trajectory flips to represent a mirror image
>the planet returns to where it was

>when Coop and Diane travel in the car to the alternate planet it immediately changes from day to night because everything is mirror imaged
>everyone has a counterpart but everything about them is the polar opposite
>this is where Mr. C and all the other doppelgangers are pulled from, and Mr. C was originally Richard who Coop assumes the identity of (except he remembers who he really is like Mr. C did, but Diane doesn't, because Coop was the traveler and Diane was essentially luggage)
>Richard Horne was named after his father and was born a complete sociopath because he was the product of Mr. C crossing realities: Richard was born without a counterpart

>>87350475
it's because that's Richard

>>87350558
She remembered.

>>87350558

see

>>87350483

and kys

>>87350554
>tfw Dale will never stare lovingly into your eyes and ask you to kiss him

>>87350483

If you look at Laura's expression when he asks that question, you can tell she's surprised at the fact that she doesn't know the answer.

>>87350462
>>87350483
I'm really down with your analysis, but why would Sarah reach out to Laura? We're lead to believe Judy and Sarah are connected (if not the same being) and Sarah was clearly upset Laura was no longer in her grasp.

>>87350056
bcs

Reality is a dream, people like Jeffries and Coop become lucid. Most lodge magic could be the actions of a lucid dreamer as observed by a passive dreamer, unaware that the reality these mysterious beings can bend to their will is as malleable as thought itself.

>>87350468
I enjoyed the whole 18-episode ride but, looking back, there was a lot of faffing about. Still enjoyed it, but man alive did it ever feel slow at times.

>>87350566
I just... if you walk down the street in public you'll find men even in their 20s balding and with wrinkles, and then there's this guy who's pushing 60 and looks great with a full head of hair and 10 years younger.

>>87350569
I thought about it.
Which means that Mr C's/Richard's goal was to find his way back home?

>>87350572
Judy once again played everyone.

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For anyone who needs the credits music before the soundtrack album comes out

http://picosong.com/wsrgs/

>>87350653
>Richard and Judy

Oh shit I am so lynched

>sister started watching the return and is at ep 8
>asked me if something will make any sense in the end
>i said it will

>>87350654
Thanks for this. Been wallowing with the credits music on repeat ever since yesterday, I can't stop listening to it, yet it hurts so much

>>87350626
I think so. Mr. C's goal was apparently to find Judy AKA the Experiment, because he showed that card to Darya with the Experiment's face on it and said he "wants" it. Coop was the one who found Judy (Judy's diner) in Mr. C's reality, and it led to waking up Laura and collapsing that reality. So that was possibly Mr. C's intention all along, to collapse the world where Laura is killed so that he could return to his own.

>>87350626
>>87350569

But why does Diane see her counterpart?

And is Coop then trying to get Carrie Page to replace Laura?

>>87350610
ahahah

>>87350624
>and then there's this guy who's pushing 60 and looks great with a full head of hair and 10 years younger.
Well he's filthy rich, so

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>>87349525
Francesca will come to my town to the premier of her feminist rape revenge movie.
what would you ask from her?
wat do?

>>87350688
devious

>>87350688
epic troll kind sir

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>Harry, it's Coop

>>87350723
His networth is only $1 million

>>87350654
thanks, man. I loved the credits music, it made me feel so sad

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>>87350569
Holy shit this works

>>87350725
I'd ask her if she's an ayy with eyes like that

>>87350753
wew what a poorfag

I can't stop thinking about finale bros. How do I move on?

>>87350622
I agree. Though I don't think that will be the case when rewatching because I won't be as eager to move along.

>>87349962
>Pic
Britbong here
Is that what that whole 'West Virginia, mountain mama, take me home' song is about?

>>87350788
kys desu

>>87350654

Is that really the name of the track? And is that, then, what she asked him?

>>87350595
>ywn be there for Dale to comfort him and assure him that he didn't fail and there's still hope and that he's still Dale Cooper and not whoever this reality is telling him he is
>you are now aware that Dale Cooper will die suffering, knowing he's failed Laura and his friends

>>87350788
Enter the black lodge and try to solve it.

>>87350059
the show is pretty bad, isn't it?

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>>87350569
>everyone has a counterpart but everything about them is the polar opposite
>this is where Mr. C and all the other doppelgangers are pulled from

The dopplegangers seem to be innate dugpas with powers and explicitly supernatural beings, though.

They also have the victim's memories, not alternate Judy-world ones.

>>87350797
I named the track that as a placeholder, it was apparently the name of the episode but I can't find the source for where I heard that

Either way I thought it fit the song well

>>87350788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5wOHIi7xCU

>>87350788

Buy Mark's book when it comes out in November.
You can preorder it on Amazon right now. There's a discount when you preorder.

I did so myself.

>>87350726
>>87350731
yeah, i am really like real life mr. c - intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor

>>87350788
transcend space and time by rubbing one out to the diane sex scene

>>87350458
how would you spot them in /tpg/?

>>87350705
Traditional mythology about doppelgangers is that if you see yours you'll die. Diane sees hers and she might as well have died because she's erased from existence.

That or it's Linda and since Diane doesn't have the Lodge on her side to protect her like Cooper does, reality restores the balance by moving her back to the original one or just making her disappear after they shift to the new one so Linda can exist like she's meant to.

>>87350626

I never really got what he was looking for. The coordinates took him to Jack Rabbits Palace or whatever, where the cops found Naido, but it was also a portal to the Firemans realm, which you'd think he'd want nothing to do with. And then he is taken to the Sheriffs department just to be killed moments later

>>87350806
NO, ANON
Read:
>>87350483
>>87350462
It has to be a good ending, right? Otherwise it's too painful ;_;

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>this runtime
wew

I thought Al Strobel had both arms and just hid one in his shirt/used effects when he was shirtless until like five minutes ago.

Anyone else here have a room temperature IQ?

>>87350083
You think these scenes could have been in the Carrie Page world?

>>87350376
But he only orders Philip to make the one copy and that's Dougie "Home" Jones (2.0). That's what we see anyway.

So wait are you saying Sarah Palmer is Jao'dey or Judy or whatever? I thought it was pretty obvious Judy is the horrific bulbous grey creature that kicks off the new season (the one that busts through the glass box to kill the couple in NY as orchestrated by the anonymous billionaire). And we see Bob as being sort of a offspring of it, and the same (very probably) goes for the insect-like thing that springs from that egg and crawls inside Sarah in 1945. So while your theory is superficially satisfactory because it gives closure there's just no way it can make enough sense, not even using dream logic.

>>87350586
More than that
Remember when he is at her house and he tells her that her fathers name is Leland (pretty unusual first name even in shithole America)
She has a reaction to that as if she can't really remember
But when he mentions Sarah (much more common in a country full of Jews like America) she goes even more weird and lets him in

>>87350940
>including 3h of autistic despair

>>87350942
Wow Anon Wow

Honestly at this point I'm not even sure whether I would like there to be a fourth season, on one hand I would love to see more, but on the other this ending scene of the finale was so perfect.

>>87350930
he was going to the palmer's house, but the fireman moves the screen and sends him to the sheriff's department

>>87350985
Maddie was a tulpa, right?

>>87350853
mr. c was awful
I mean, he was far from intelligent.He never seemed to know what was going on and his most memorable quote is "What is this?" played with that boring, deadpan face of his.
I'd still much rather preffer the bathroom mirror smashing Mr. C. we got on the end of the original TV series

Daily reminder that you are a TOTAL FUCKING RETARD if you thought that Bob left Cooper in episode 8.

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>>87350853

>>87351010
wrong

>>87350983
I agree. Immediately after the ending I was 100% for the 4th season.
Right now after I processed it a little I think this might be a perfect ending for Twin Peaks.

>>87350558
She remembered hearing Sarah calling her name bringing everything back. You literally hear this.

>>87351010
"Watch for my cousin"

>>87350983
>>87351061
I want another Twin Peaks film(s).

>>87350999

Ohhhh shit which Palmer house though??

>>87350335
I am totally fine with this explanation.

But what did he mean by "What year is this?"
This bothers me much more than the whisper.

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Coop 'n' Carrie are cute!

I want a new season about them!

>>87350937
The only optimism I can take from the finale is that Laura has her memories back so that means this world is more unstable than it looks, so even if Cooper does forget himself, there's still hope that what happened to Laura will happen to him. Same with Diane.

He already spent an entire season being told that he's another person and ended up triumphing over that, so he can do it again. Plus consider the electricity went out, and Mike told him to remember electricity which is associated with Lodge spirits. Laura remembering clearly dealt some sort of blow against them or at the very least against their new reality. There's still some hope left.

Holy Shit-

Leakfags Btfo.

>>87350940
>longer than the fucking finale he's talking about
kek

I know Frank Silva's been dead for ages but I thought the way BOB was defeated by being turned into a screeching beach ball and punched by a autistic brit was lame as hell.

>>87350626
Or he and BOB was storing that garmombozia instead of sharing it with the lodge
He wanted to replace Judy
Dooper might even have been an extension of BOB like the arm was of mike so it was BOB wanting to replace the Mother

>>87351027
I-it was dark and it kinda looked like he was pulled out...

>>87351120
No, that was perfect you pleb.

>>87351120
Bob was OG series.

"Punching Lad" was millennials.

>>87351120
it was a joke, lynch showed us what he thinks of the typical kind of resolution where all the main characters meet up for one final battle of good vs evil
i liked it

>>87350086
AH, MR JEFFERIES

>>87350952
>So wait are you saying Sarah Palmer is Jao'dey or Judy or whatever?
Not the anon you're talking to but I thought that was pretty obvious? She was acting super strange all along and her face opened up to kill that guy. What I don't get is why would Judy spend all her days smoking, drinking booze and watching some broken TV video

>>87350056

>Everyone post all other shows besides TP that you've watched this year and thought were good.

Rick and morty!

As good as Twin peaks!

>>87351103
Sliders: The Return

>>87351025

I think that was a special moment because he was overjoyed to have escaped the Lodge, plus he had BOB inside him who was usually seen to be shrieking or howling with laughter

>>87351156
>What I don't get is why would Judy spend all her days smoking, drinking booze and watching some broken TV video
Because she does not belong there.

>>87350056
The Young Pope. It might even be better than The Return.

Is episode 18 canon?

>>87351156
Because she's a creature that feeds off disappear and pain, and she's continuously leeching off Sarah's by keeping her trapped in a depressed state.

>>87350769
But the Arm had a doppelgänger later as well so no it doesnt

>>87351095
It means he was oblivious all along to the fact he'd crossed over to the doppelganger world. It means he had no idea what he was actually doing, and what he was actually doing was fulfilling Mr. C's goal: to find Judy's and cross the two worlds over each other, crashing both worlds out of existence.

>>87351208
We're not gonna talk about episode 18 at all, we're gonna keep it out of it.

>>87351229

???

>>87350414
This. I consider this fate so much worse than being Lodged for 25 years

>>87351156
She was inhabiting her mother's body, who had some control over herself, of course, the evil was influencing her behaviour.

Remember that there are different timelines and being changed.

At the grocery store episode, when she freaks out over the meat not being there before and now being there, Judy, inhabiting her, realizes that the timeline is being changed against her plans by Dale/The Giant, that's why she says "some men are coming" and freaks out. Which later leads her in the final episode to trashing the photo in the house because Dale went back in time stopping her plans, and then creating the fake reality we see at the end to counteract Dale messing with her planned timeline.

Reminder that Vedderfags were right, Cooper never got his mind back, in a fact, there is no Cooper at all.

>>87351181
Well BOB was still inside of him until the very end

>>87351156
Well we know she's not human but there's the black & white flashback to 1945 where she gets 'infected' by the insect thing that hatched from that egg. I don't think that sounds much like a powerful ancient and malevolent force, but who knows what bizarre life-cycle Lynch and Frost dreamed up for her, I guess.

This was the lost highway episode

It's really weird that there's this whole subplot with Sarah and Judy going on that we never actually see and are just left to figure out from a few snatches.

>>87351290
*1956

>>87350952
Judy may be the horrific bulbous creature we see in the beginning and in the box as well, maybe. We never get a direct confirmation on that. What we do know for certain is Judy is presented as the only evil superior to BOB in the realm of Twin Peaks. So yeah, probably is the gray monster.

We also see that BOB has an abstract exposed form both when he is born and when Mr. C is shot again. We also know BOB can manifest himself in the form of a normal human if he pleases. I don't imagine Judy, or Mother, or whatever, including the gray monster, is barred from doing the same.

Sarah Palmer broke down into a misery deeper than Laura's ever was over time and eventually that allowed Judy to possess her, for there is no denying she was possessed by an unknown malevolent force. It's not unreasonable to assume that thing was Judy.

My theory may not be perfect but it answers more questions than are raised. I like my take on the ending and am going to stick with it, since it's also the only ending that offers closure and a happy ending, for most, somewhat.

>normies want comfy Cooper back
>Lynch instead gives them literal retard and evil impersonator for the most part of the series and then gives the original Cooper even worse fate than in the OG series

L Y N C H E D

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WE DID IT, REDDIT!
http://www.nme.com/blogs/tv-blogs/twin-peaks-fan-theory-cliffhanger-ending-2133973

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Everyone seems to think the Richard/Linda/Carrie world is some kind of fake world but I felt more like that is the real reality and the world from earlier in the series (as well as Season 1 and 2) is the fake/dream world.

Just look at how it plays out in the Sheriff's office.
>Everything literally plays out perfectly
>It's really cheesy and corny
>Coop's friends and co-workers are all there standing around in a really surreal scene
>Coop realizes it's all a dream, everything and everyone
>Coop says to his friends "I hope I see all of you again, everyone of you." indicating his affection for all the dream characters and wishing he can meet them (or their counterparts) in the real world
>This is again reinforced by him saying "see you at the curtain call" when he enters the door, curtain call indicating that what is happening right now is a play(dream) and he wishes to see Gordon and Diane again when the play is over.

>>87351326
can we get a comfy Dougie spin-off series?

>>87351325
nah, judy has to be older than that. they said major briggs discovered it.

>>87351326
>Season 4/FWWM 2 will give them comfy Cooper back, but he'll be in a nightmare relm without quirk or charm.

LYNCHED

>>87351339
>For the most part, this theory does make sense.

>>87351370
So Alan Wake: American Nightmare

>>87351307
Sarah broke down further and further over time until Judy seeped into her being.

Judy senses when Laura's death is being subverted and freaks out, the end result her crafting deepening deceptions to keep Laura from ever getting close enough to destroy her.

Somehow, at some point, Sarah and Judy became intertwined but the subplot in a nutshell is Judy has meshed with Sarah the same way BOB meshed with Leland and Mr. C.

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>>87351345
I think it's inverted, and more terrible. Carrie's world is the dream, but Cooper and Carrie are entombed within it at Judy's mercy. It reminds me of the ending of Being Human UK, where the protagonists got irrevocably stuck in a dream created by the Devil while he tore apart the real world.

>>87351370
>Season 5 he's finally back in real Twin Peaks: The Return but by then only hardcore Lynchfags watch it and the cherry pie and coffee fags can't watch it because they missed the last season or two
Make it happen

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>doppelgangers
>nonsensical space changes
>unclear time
>white horses everywhere
>Judy's
>that "No outlet" sign in the final scene
>Laura's scream
>electricity goes out
Coop is back in the Lodge. He fucked up exactly the same way he did in season 2. Except this time, he's not getting out. "The Return" meant Cooper was returning to the Lodge all along.

>>87351095
He realised it was a fake reality so he is trying to get Laura to wake up
The Laura that got sucked up was from 1989
She was confused about it and that's what let her wake up and remember sarah etc

"What year is it" is a great ending becsuse its the present day just a different timeline

>>87351424
Was this literally Twin Peaks Evangelion?

>>87351458
Yes

>>87351424

did his normal life end in S1?

Everything after was weird, so that's my impression.

>It's a different timeline!
It's like you idiots have never seen a David Lynch film before

>94 % on RT
>Critics Consensus: Surreal, suspenseful, and visually stunning, this new Twin Peaks is an auteurist triumph for David Lynch.

Reminder that if you didn't like The Return, you are a certified pleb.

>>87350569
I don't think this is true but I love it

>>87351458
Part 17 was episode 25 and 26

Part 18 was EoE

>>87351484
What is it supposed to be then?

>>87350414
I'm fully aware that this shouldn't affect me as much as it does but I can't help it. I like Cooper so much, all I wanted was for him to catch a break and get some rest

>>87351484
has he ever done a movie with timelines? it's always dreams/made up realities right?

>>87351500
Thought the same but I haven't seen NGE in like 12 years.

>>87351515
>it's always dreams/made up realities right?
Yes. It's more than likely the case here.
>>87351509
See above.

>>87351495
>>94 % on RT
WTF I hate The Return now

>>87350679
I have never been Lynched like this

>>87351321
Right. I really need to rewatch episode 8, but weirdly I'd listened to Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima many times before S3 and was a bit freaked out about that for some bizarre reason.

>>87350942
He's legit got one arm. I think he lost his left in a traffic accident ages ago.
On a related note, he's aged really well. Hardly looks any older than in FWWM.

>>87351458
Twin Peaks has been evangelion all along.
I don't have the screencap right now but I laughed pretty hard when everyone gathered around on the sheriff station, all that was left was for them to clap and congratulate cooper

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Does the Fireman look like Coop to anyone else? Is it possible for Coop to have become him?

>>87351570
...No.

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>Cooper's superimposed face goes away only for the kiss scene and then comes back
What did they mean by this?

>>87350083
What the fuck was this scene? lmao, it was so weird

>>87351570
>reddit G-Man theory

no

it si about a bunny?

>>87351570
yes, I thought this and posted about it after ep 15 aired

>>87351592
When the drunk in the cell started scratching his cheek it reminded me of rash girl. Maybe there's just a plague of fucked up illnesses manifesting in twin peaks.

Cooper. Cooper.

>>87351591
Coop realized that everything was just a dream and that ultimately nothing in that scene really mattered in the grand scheme of things. He wanted to forget his higher knowledge and just enjoy the kiss with his lost love, Diane, but as soon as it's over, the realization returns.

>>87351591
>black and white nails

>10 is the number of completion
>the final shot at the Palmer's was shot on 10/10/2015
>Tremond is played by the real owner of the house
>We know that Cooper returns to Twin Peaks on 2/10/2015
>In FWWM the time that Cooper observes that relates to his dream was 10:10PM

>>87351339
>these 4chan haxxors crack even twin peaks!

>>87351591
Lynch is in love with Laura Dern.

>>87351591
Diane is the only real person there. Cooper's superimposed face represents his realization that everyone is a part of the dream. It going away means he doesn't feel that about Diane = she's real.

I don't fucking care about Audrey, Becky, anonymous billionaire nor other characters, but I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHETER HAWK HATES WHITE PEOPLE OR NOT.

>>87351672
some of his best friends are white.

>>87351672
some of his best friends are white people

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>>87351570
>"Where do you come from?"
>"The question is: where have you gone?"

Never liked this theory, but if it works for you that's alright.

>>87351339
Wow, they took the most retarded theory from here for their article.

>>87351672
It's called the White Lodge for a reason

Was Jeffries in service of Judy? Did he deceive Cooper? It's not unlikely considering the missing pieces from FWWM

>>87350056
Legend

>>87350473
Youtube please

>>87351722
No and no.

Good posts from other anons in this thread got me thinking.

The world in episode 18 is simply an alternate reality, it is the second world that is being referred to when they say "one chants out between two worlds". The Black/White Lodge and waiting room are located between the 2 worlds. Lodge spirits can come and go between the 2 worlds easily due to the lodges being the connection between them, electricity also symbolizing where the 2 worlds are connected (hence how Cooper and Diane jump between them in E18). If Judy can time travel the same way Coop can then it would make sense that she could take Laura from the past and put her in the other world where she becomes "Carrie" similar to the way Cooper and Diane become "Richard" and "Linda" when they cross over. So instead if Laura dying in Cooper's world's timeline she simply disappears and "Carrie" screams at the end because she remembers who she actually is (and the awful things that happened to her prior to being transferred to the other world).

>>87351733
Too late son
>http://picosong.com/wsrgs/

>>87351345
Or it's the same world, but changed by Cooper rescuing Laura.

Regardless, I think no one should get hung up on "everything is a dream". Everything is a dream is as good a description of the cosmos as any and that doesn't make the (actual) cosmos any less real to its inhabitants (namely us). By which I mean this is likely just Cooper sharing his personal philosophy with his friends and colleagues and the viewer as he did in the first two series. And obviously the show has dreams within that dream and who knows how many turtles it is on the way down but that line doesn't have to mean everything up to that point is "fake".

I just wanted cooper to eat some pie and have some coffee with his friends in Twin Peaks.

Just 1 happy moment of Cooper acting like Cooper. Those brief few moments he is Cooper the show instantly picks up. Because Cooper is so fucking enjoyable and Happy no matter what its fun to watch. Even Douggie was great in his own way but he wasn't Cooper. Then for the final episode we get him acting nothing like Cooper again.

>>87351417
damn, son, you're oh-so-special.

>>87351744
>alternate reality,
See >>87351484

>>87351615
They're all suffering from Motion Sickness of Time Travel

>>87351736
The Light went out when he visited Cole in Philly, and the devices stopped working. Also he insinuates that he communicated with Judy

>>87351484
This is a literal non-argument

>H-he did something before therefore he can't do another thing here!

>>87351495
>Reminder that if you didn't like The Return, you are a certified pleb.
good.

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>>87351762
Not really, I just don't mind it being unresolved.

17 and 18 were the best things I've ever seen in my life

>>87351763
I didn't say it was a different timeline, I said it was a parallel dimension, one in which there was no "Laura Palmer" or any Twin Peaks characters.

>>87351753
He gave a part of himself to make Dougie.

i need the lynch dream ambient

>>87349781
>super secret whisper

what's this?

>>87351790
Yeah, and aside from ALL the references to dreams and being in a dream scattered throughout the series, as well as the visual clue Lynch left

Again, it's like you've never seen any Lynch film before.
>>87351824
>I said it was a parallel dimension
See >>87351484

What self referential scenes did I miss?
>"Audrey's Dance"
>Bellucci and Albert/Gordon in general sometimes
>"Palmer's house" owned by the actual owner

I need some 'Lynched' gifs guys!

>>87351801
sure, it's not like you and the others here try to get a feeling of superiority over other people via a weird TV show...

>>87351653
then he cucks himself with the diane-coop sexscene


more like Laura Derp.

>>87351753
My thoughts exactly.
He'll never be happy, anon.
All because he entered the fucking demented hellpit cursed dimension following some some stupid dumb chick he didn't even care about nor mention 25 years later

>>87351149
>>87351152
You guys will accept anything Lynch shits out, it's really something

>>87351850
Sarah Palmer saying "it's a bad story" when Hawk questions her.

>>87351850
>"Palmer's house" owned by the actual owner
No wonder she couldn't act for shit.

None of this would have ever happened if the nuke wasn't made

>>87351902
You would also be speaking German right now

>>87351902
Einstein was the real BOB

>>87351897
I don't think she acted at all. She just thought it was another redditor who thought it was good idea to visit Palmer's house.

>>87351911
More like Russian

>>87351911
Actually the nuke was used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Germany had already been defeated.

>>87351279

If it was like Lelands time with BOB then BOB isn't always forward, sometimes it seems like hes just watching

>>87351911
Better than Spanish.

>>87351944
So was Japan, the nuke was unnecessary

>>87351830
This is a good point. I've seen people give a plethora of reasons for why Cooper is so emotionless in episode 18 but him losing a part of himself in the process of creating Dougie again makes the most sense. I mean he would of course want to give his most loving parts to Janey-E and Sonny Jim leaving him a husk of sorts (which was apparent enough in the love making scene).

>>87351911
>>87351944
>The Return is just fan service for Japan which has maybe the biggest TP fanbase

>>87351897
>character speaks in a strange and unnatural manner
>in a David Lynch feature
Well I never!

>>87349759

>Richard

He says to Carrie and Mrs Tremond that he is Dale Cooper

>>87352034
>his entire personality is housed in a few of his hairs
nah, that's gay.
Every other explanation is better.

>>87352056
i think that lynch does it for purpose (see: verfremdungseffekt / alienation effect)

Did Josie really kill cooper at the end of S1 and everything after is just Cooper's weird afterlife dream world?