/tpg/ post your observations

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Was getting caught part of her plan?

>>87344434
caught with what exactly?
drugs, prostitution?

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>>87344486
*crackle* *crackle*
>Dale looks back
The fuck?

I remember, the arm - it said to look out for that sound. ALl part of the plan??? WHY NOT just say,
>"Dale, you better fucking spring, or MOM will steal Laura into a nightmare/pocket-dimension, which you will be able to know has happened when she disappears and you hear this sound"

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He didn't jump so good.

>>87344530
maybe The Giant lured them into digging even deeper to reach Judy and banish her or at least push her back and stop her from attacking White Lodge / Laura / all good forces

>>87344550
why does jumping man have Sarahs face?

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Anons, help with this goth girl please. THe sex is great, but she keeps trying to use my face as a ouija board and sometimes it almost makes me choke.

But seriously, does she do this because:
>A) She has been trapped in the Mauve Zone for so long, having to rely mostly on touch, that she can't help but want to feel his face during ecstasy.
>B) Reminds her of the rape (I don't think it's this one).
>C) Other/autism

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>>87344530
Wasn't it more of a sound like teeth grinding? Almost like a hard, wet squeaking.

>>87344830
D) It's not Diane, it's Linda, and she realizes it's not Richard, it's Dale, and she can't bear to look at him.

>>87344830
>>87345205

That's a tough one. I think the lines are blurring.

>Diane somehow remembers the rape or has a foreshadowing
>Cooper is part good Dale and Mr. C
>They still took the identities of Richard and Linda
>Diane is overwhelmed by the new identity and bolts off
>Cooper proceeds as "Richard" to find Laura

>>87344278
There's already a thread and you didn't even make the subject or previous right.

>>87343772
>>87343772
>>87343772

>>87345260

and also

They just head on to get a room, leave lights off and immediately start fucking ... ???
>"love opens the gate"

>>87345353
you fucking dumbass, read the first post.
I'm fucking asking for OWN observations, not your fucking Vedderposting, copy-pasta, "oh mr. Jeffries!" shit

>>87345412
Brah the shit been coming out of his as in that kettle and now it's slippery in there FACT

>>87346507
That might just be true
#Lynch humor

/tpg/ is the most cancerous general in the history of this board. You can't discuss anything there.

Did Judy make an appearance at any time throughout the 18 episodes? Why was Bad Coop looking for her at all? Shouldn't he have just been happy to escape the lodge?

>>87345412
Then don't tag tpg, which literally is an abbreviation for the "general".

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>>87346723
i give you that

>>87346638
unfunny Vedder shit all over this shithouse

My guess is that Judy is the creature (experiment / mother) in the glass box, the one vomitting a shitload of garmonbozia. Notice also that in that vomitting scene, the arm "bends back" (Laura's line)

I suspect it is also the creature that knocks on the door before Cooper is sucked out through the wall socket.

>>87346879
I don't think you have to suspect who was obviously doing the knocking.

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Coop got Jeffries'd, lads.

>>87349039

>says he "was at a meeting of them"
>they "sat quietly for hours and hours"
>reappears on a staircase
>convenience store is entered through staircase

either well planned from the start, or gaps nicely filled afterwards.

>>87346879
BOB put Diane in the lodge and makes a tulpa of her to act his servant, Judy was keeping Diane trapped in the lodge, BOB and Mr C were trying to get to Judy hence the card and the glass box, they go to the coordinates to where Diane was supposed to escape the lodge, but Cooper grabs Diane and goes with her to Judy's world to save Laura after he fails to pull her out of 1989.

I feel like we are missing an important piece in all this.

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>But when it came time to end Twin Peaks, Lynch and Frost chose to circle back to Laura Palmer in the most devastating of possible ways. Some fans have speculated that most of Twin Peaks is Laura Palmer’s dream – either a death dream, à la Diane Selwyn’s own in Mulholland Drive, or a fantasy world she created for herself in desperation for an alternate reality, where people actually care about her pain. She dreams her death has so much cosmic significance that it not only spurs an entire town into a fit of grief and ropes in a special FBI task force dedicated to unraveling otherworldly enigmas, but that it sends ripples through the very fabric of our reality and into the next. She dreams that the origin of her suffering must be the product of something extraterrestrial, born of mankind’s evils, that she’s died for the sins of humanity as a part of some supernatural, pre-determined plan, and that her mother’s helpless neglect of the situation can be explained away by a demonic possession even greater than that of her father’s – as though these ideas were easier to process than the reality of her own abuse. When she envisions what life might be like for her as an adult, she confronts an unrecognizable shell of a woman that perhaps seems less appealing than the fantasy of her own death, a realization that sends her into an existential panic when brought face-to-face with the home that has been her personal hell for most of her life. When (if) she wakes up, she will still be trapped.

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if i pull that off will you die?

My family, my friend, I have criss-crossed this great land of our countless times. I hold a map of it here, in my heart next to the joyful memories of the carefree days I spent as a young boy here in your beautiful town of Twin Peaks.

From Alexandria, Virginia to Stockton, California. I think about Lewis and his friend Clark, the first Caucasians to see this part of the world; their footsteps have been the highways and byways of my days on the road. My shadow is always with me, sometimes ahead, sometimes behind, sometimes to the left or sometimes to the right.

Except on cloudy days or at night.

>>87349194
cringe

>>87349179
What if Diane is also Judy?

>>87349194
copy-pasta?
anyways, when you consider Lynch saying that daydreams are way more interesting than dreams at night, he would probably not let all this be simply "excused" as a very elaborate dream of Laura. It would be insanely elaborate, if that was the case. And dreams aren't that complicated and complex. they can be very complex, but not so much that you actually dream up entire worlds and dozens of complex characters and what happens to them.
again the main argument being that Lynch doesn't resort to night dreams for ideas and doesn't think they are particularly helpful.

>>87349179
interesting, but when and why did BOB put her in the Lodge? As of now, it's totally unclear when Diane was put in the lodge and I can't see any hint at all. Cooper met her blind form in the large room with the amphitheatre-like couch. ???

>>87349262
that seemed a lot like another odd character plotline that just dies off after it is on screen.

>>87349279
Than who was phone?-- uhm, Sarah?

Jao de - the scream
>Laura has prominent screams throughout all of Twin Peaks
>Sarah screams weirdly in agony after Laura is saved by Coop
>actually, a lot of characters scream
???

WHO IS JUDY???

had the worst sleep of my life last night after watching the last two episodes. Kept having surreal as fuck experiences and m'lady was doing weird shit such as reaching out like the Asian lady.

Why did Laura scream when she teleported away from Coop in the woods? That didn't seem negative. I think it's just something she does. Still on the fence about the ending

>>87349384
I think dreams and metaphors are interchangeable, a lot of people chose to interpret it as a dream right now, when it may very well be a story told with metaphors.

Fire Walk With Me touched on that, it made Bob more metaphorical and less of an actual evil entity.

>>87349427
You're lucky you saw the ending in one go
This monday morning, the stream broke down on me and I missed the last fifteen minutes.
Imagine my fucked up sleep that night!

Laura was sucked away much like in the Lodge when she whispered to Coop.
Diane was sucked away after she got shot - as a Tulpa. ...
???

again, so many riddles
Was the Laura that got saved already a Tulpa? A trap for Coops time travelling?

>>87349455
true, but I doubt that truly everything turns out to be a dream. Jeffries and Coop both say "we live inside a dream", but other than that, dreams in the series always hint at singular events
"I was worried about today, because of the dream I had"

ok now I don't know what to think about it anymore

>>87349384
Diane was put in the lodge in between seasons, her Tulpa remembers Booper taking her into the convenience store after he raped her. We see Diane in the mauve room frightened of mother getting to her.

Which is why I feel she might house part of Judy and Sarah houses another part. If Sarah was the girl in the 50s then she's had Judy in her the whole time and we see Judy is still in the lodge in the first few episodes if season 3, so I think only part of Judy is manipulating Sarah.

>>87344278
So will Gordon still remember everything? Is that what Jeffries meant?

>>87349876
>taking her into the convenience store after he raped her.
spot on! I forgot about that. There ya go then ...

>might house part of Judy
not sure why you think that
I think she was blinded and muted (maybe also deaf) by DoppelCoop, so she wouldn't be able to talk to Cooper and tell him what has happened. Then bad Coop made a Tulpa and sent her out.

> If Sarah was the girl in the 50s
but the girl has dark hair and very different face and accent.

Judy produced BOB with an outburst of a shitload of garmonbozia.

The Jumping Man wears Sarahs face and can be seen in S3:
- when the woodsman hits the switch
- when Cooper walks up the stairs with Mike (Jumping Man runs down the stairs)

Sarah takes off her face "do you really want to fuck with this?" and we see a huge b/w smile and a left hand with an injured, dark ring finger - the one where you would put on the ring to send someone back ... ???

the more I think about all this, the less I understand it.

>>87350030
Didn't he tell Coop to "remember"?

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>>87344278
the horse pretty much planned out the entire trip of Richard and Linda!

it was probably his doppelganger!!

>>87352074
nononono mrs chalfont pretty much planned out the entire trip of Richard and Linda!

it was probably her doppelganger (mrs tremond)!!

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>>87352074
>>87352089

delet this.

Is /tpg/ officially dead now?

>>87346638
>t. came to shit up the board after the finale and never actually browsed here often

>>87352180
Yes, the ending was terrible and I wish I could unwatch The Return. Basically the lesson here is, never EVER bring back a dead series.

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Post yfw Cooper led Laura Palmer through the woods to apparent safety to Laura's Theme

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The most important thing I observed in the finale is that Sheryl Lee is still a major QT 25 years later

>>87352409
For you coffe-fags there is episode 17. This is plebs' finale. There's also second finale for kino lovers.

so I watched ep15 live like 2 weeks ago has there not been a new episode yet?

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>>87352465
what did she mean by this?

>>87352562
ACTING

>>87352491
>he doesn't know

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>>87352453
>mfw

garmonbozia. not even ONCE.

>>87352562
She wants the Special Agent dick

>>87352562
>>87352595
It would be cute if she was 27 years younger.

>>87352597
>I think he does.

>>87352409
Oh shut up faggot. You know how David Lynch is, why the fuck would you expect a clear cut ending

>twin peaks goes from lynch's most straightforward work
>to his most confusing
B R A V O D A V I D

>>87352690
Is it the story of the little girl who lived down the lane?

>>87352703
what year is it?

>>87352690
straight story was literally his straightest story, anon

>>87352747
yeah forget about that, and elephant man

you get the point i was making tho

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>>87344278
>Cooper wakes up Laura
wake her up to a life of rape, prostitution and drug abuse? how will this defeat Judy?

1. The place beyond mile 430 = Black Lodge. The world, where all the doubles reside.
2. Our world (as depicted in ep 18) to TP world is, actually, a Black Lodge.
3. White Lodge is a world of classic kino.
4. Cooper's "twin" name is Richard. E. i. "Evil Coop'. That's why he's being addressed as Richard when arrives at BL.
5. Laura Palmer is dead but yet alive. She is trapped for 25 years in the BL as Carrie Page.
6. As Hawk said, one must cross the Black Lodge to access the White Lodge, this is a spiritual journey.
7. The real ending for Laura is shown in FWWM: she finally ascendes.

rate me

>>87352768
wrong use of superlatives then...

still, TP was never his most straightforward work anyhow. The international Pilot was already a mindfuck par excellance.
You mean, Frost's contributions made it the most straightforward thing possible.

>>87352630
It doesn't have to be clear cut. Season 2's finale is one of the best things I've ever seen on television, it was a massive cliffhanger.

Season 3's ending is just empty.

>>87352479
Episode 17 was even worse than 18, 17 went full capeshit.

So, did Coop saving Laura from BOB cause the multiple timelines we see in The Secret History of Twin Peaks? Or are the inconsistencies due to Judy's dreamworlds? Or are they related to Audrey and her world (seen in S03 with the diner and the customers changing after the man opens the door asking for Billy)? Is Audrey's world related to either Coop's action in 1989 or Judy's dreams? Or is it simply a coma? Is Audrey the dreamer?

>>87352911
And how did Booper knock up Audrey?

>>87352771
He pulled her off the path of suffering by being killed by Leland/BOB

>>87352780
4. ?? when do they call him "Richard" in the black lodge?
1. but the doubles seem to roam around wherever they want, real world, red room ...
5. then she would also have looked like Carrie Page in the black lodge, wouldn't she?
7. but she doesn't ascend, she rather let's her friend be saved by the angel

can't really rate that desu

>>87352859
I thought that the ending in 18 was actually powerful in that it completely undid your feeling of closure and expectations you had in a conclusive ending and even the things you almost took for granted already ... Laura being saved, Mr. C and BOB being killed, Judy being banished etc.

So what the fuck was the point of Mr. Amp

>>87352978
Black Lodge is the place beyond the 430 miles point, which we see only in ep. 18.
Red Room is "another place", a chamber between worlds. It is not the Black Lodge.

>>87352978
>when do they call him "Richard" in the black lodge?
In the note Linda left.

>>87352859
Season 2 finale was indeed a cliffhanger, but it was pretty straight foward. Season 3 finale is ambiguous

>>87352978
>He pulled her off the path of suffering by being killed by Leland/BOB
Laura HAD to die by Bob to destroy Judy? how is her death going help and how exactly? I guess Laura "ascends" to a superior being but then what?

please explain anon yes I am retarded

>>87353073
To shovel your way out of the shit, of course.

If Dale saved Laura from being murdered and therefore changed time, then why are so many things (Doppelganger burning in the Lodge, New Dougie created and given to Janey-E and Sonny Jim, Dale reliving the Lodge events of part 2, regular non deformed Diane waiting outside) the same? That's a remarkable amount of things that happened the same way considering the start off point to the series. I've yet to see this explained, even adequately.

>>87353073
fan service and padding

>>87353110
But that isn't the Black Lodge. The next day, Cooper drives away to find "Judy's diner"

>>87353081
interesting, but how are you sure about this? We know the Major has been to the White Lodge and there is a shot of him sitting on a throne. The black and white places where the Giant dwells seem to be the White Lodge, too, including the sea with the house where Naido is found.

come to think of it, does the Giant fiddle around with Jeffries body in E8, where the music plays?

>>87353168
No, everything is wrong.
Red Room is not the Black Lodge, it is a waiting chamber between worlds.
Black Lodge is OUR world.
Coop didn't save Laura. He had goog intentions though.
Douglas Johnes is the name agent Cooper took after having solved the Blue Rose case in 1997 and retired from FBI.

>people still trying to make "sense" of this with their "theories"

Just accept it, that's like trying to understand a painting by Dali or Magritte, or trying make sense out of a piece of music.

We got to see emotionally satisfying resolutions to all the most important story arcs in the show. Dougie returning to his family. BOB being fucking FALCON PAWNCHED into pieces by some british kid wearing a gardening glove. Cooper going back in time to prevent Laura's death.

Who cares if none of it was real or didn't actually happen. It's fiction, of course it isn't real. We still got to see it.

>>87353235
The Judy's diner IS real, it exists in Odessa, Texas. Lynch also hints that our world is the BL by placing real world owners of the Palmers' house to go by the name of Chalfonts/Tremonds.

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>>87344278
The house she lives in the alternate reality/dream looks a lot like the house they visited where Hastings saw Major Briggs before his death in Episode 11.

I would have rather had an ancient alien land on earth and spell everything out than this shitshow we got as a finale. Literally watching people do nothing driving a car, fuck off lynch

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Dreams are part of the reality of Twin Peaks universe. There's no time travel or parallel dimensions, just people in a "lucid dream" state with the power of shaping said dream (Laura, Cooper, Judy and the Lodge entities). The people as a collective are the dreamers. Cooper travels to the boundaries of the dream with Diane to regain control of reality, but Judy somehow reshapes the entire dream.

>What year is this?

This shattered their grasp on reality. Laura screams in dispair because she notices that she's a lucid dreamer in Judy's nightmare.

>>87349607

I had a seizure some years ago and while it happened, i "dreamed" about 5 years of my life playing in what felt like real time but also feeling slightly cold and abit numb for most of that time, the world was also somewhat desaturated of color, and although something felt off, I never realized what was happening until I regained consciousness.
I also regularly change "characters" of who I am in my dreams, so I think Twin peaks being a dream entirely is perfectly plausible.

>>87353369
This

Cooper went back in time -> prevented OG series mystery from happening -> therefore TP universe does not exist anymore.

>>87353156
>Laura HAD to die by Bob to destroy Judy? how is her death going help and how exactly? I guess Laura "ascends" to a superior being but then what?

we know that the rings collect people and draw them into the Red Room. Cooper, for some reason, knew that BOB would kill her, if she took the ring, out of anger. He did want to "taste through her mouth", meaning he wanted to posses her. So, that doesn't mean BOB wants to destroy Judy. And her death was a compromise, either be possessed by BOB or be caged in the Red Room indefinitely.

>>87353293
interesting up until:
>Coop didn't save Laura. He had goog intentions though.
>Douglas Johnes is the name agent Cooper took after having solved the Blue Rose case in 1997 and retired from FBI.
kek, not really buying that.

>>87353353
I can agree with that

>>87353369
Not sure if this is consistent with how the BL was described in S2 and FWWM. It is an otherwordly place in my opinion.
I tend to believe that place where the Giant is, is the White Lodge. They are in a controll room and as soon as Mr. C enters it, he is caged and being ported to the Sheriffs Dep. to fulfill his destiny.

>>87353353
These are not "teories". I have a clear undestanding of the season finale. I want to share it with you, it is 100% correct.

>>87352732
What year is THIS?

Please stop misquoting it

>>87353442
kinda, but Laura's house is white and larger. that's just a type of house you'd find everywhere.

>>87353535
It could be the alternate reality version set up by the black lodge spirits. Remember Gordon sees the woodsmen on the staircase of the house.

>>87353073
What was the point of...

Richard Horne
The magic coin guy
Audrey
Tammy
The weird illness going around
Jerry Horne
Shelly and her kid

These characters didn't do anything. Honestly, most of season 3 is just pointless filler like people complain about in season 2.

>trying to make up theories before the final dossier drops
you know you're just going to have to start again

>>87353501
>kek, not really buying that.
What other choices do you have? There's no possible explanations. In Lynch works there's no place for magic and sci-fi, so leave that "tulpa" thing out.

Douglas Johnes appears in police record in 1997. The policemen think he's a participant of witness protection program. Almost: he's a former FBI agent. Easy.

>>87353476
I know, you kinda lose track of time and space. I've passed out one time as well due to shock.

But still, I think that "all a dream" schtick is pretty lame. It's been done before and is really a lame deus ex machina kind of way to wrap up a confusing story. And there's no real hint to anyone waking up. The Palmer house seems to be influenced by other forces and the fact that the owners share the same name as in FWWM also is a give-away that there's something else going on, not to mention Sarah yelling her name.

>>87353501
so what happens to Judy at the end? Does angel Laura vanish it?

>>87353504
Not that anon but I think you should tell everyone then because I haven't read any two similar theories.

Dale is too good for this world and Laura is an unwitting victim. Their lives are intertwined beyond life and death (If you will). That's what I got out of the finale, the mechanics don't interest me nearly as much as that.

>>87353581
No, there's no place for sci fi bullshit in Lynch movies. This is a bleak reality of our own.

>>87353612
Frost books are canon, but they are Mark's version of the TP universe. You don't need them to give sense to the 3 seasons. They are only mandatory if you're really into the lore.

>>87353600
they were filler, red herrings and dreams

>>87353581
yeah, but that means he would've been ported there, no?

>>87353685
>sci fi bullshit

you just witnessed non-linear time travel, space and interdimensional aliens, lmao

>>87353600
>Richard Horne
Somehow ties to Booper and the overall mystery
>The magic coin guy
Forgot who this is
>Audrey
Definitely ties to the overall mystery, I don't know how though
>Tammy
Mostly eye candy, but she fits in regarding the books
>The weird illness going around
Forgot what this is too
>Jerry Horne
Filler
>Shelly and her kid
Filler but loosely ties to the mystery through Bobby

>>87352845
Read Frost's books and you'd realize he's just as crazy and convoluted as lynch

>>87353706
Maybe he was about to, but Albert pulled him back, remember?

>>87353717
That's an artistic device to portray banal real life events. As if you didn't watch Mulholland Drive, Lost Highway and Inland Empire. There's no magic, only illusion.

>>87353759
Yeah you get it, but everybody else doesn't. Go home Lynch fanboy.

>>87353688
>You don't need them to give sense to the 3 seasons
I think you do. You don't need them to enjoy the 3 seasons, but if you want to try and understand what the fuck is going on I think you definitely do.

>>87353618
>Douglas Johnes appears in police record in 1997.
That's because Dougie was manufactered by the doppelganger that year. The whole point of Dougie was to trick the lodge when Cooper got out.

>In Lynch works there's no place for magic and sci-fi, so leave that "tulpa" thing out.
Twin Peaks is 50% Lynch and 50% Frost, for better or worse.

>>87353807
Yeah and Frost loves sci fi shit.

>>87353781
This is my home.

>>87353807
>That's because Dougie was manufactered by the doppelganger that year.
On metaphoric level - yes. But on the higher level, where it is a simple story - no.

>>87353648

No idea if Lynch's transmedidation thing says anything on this, but I always feel dreams are the key to crossing dimensions/universes, and if he thinks the same way, then the "it was all a dream" fits the story. You get little clues and insights but there's no definitive proof, so you just muddle your way through as best you can.
If that is the story and feel that lynch was wanting to convey, then he achieved it.

>>87353600
>Richard Horne, The magic coin guy, Jerry Horne, Shelly, Jerry
your typical side-plot schtick, if you ask me. semi-involvement in the main plot.

>weird illness
huh?

>>87353612
according to Lynch "all interpretations are beautiful" - in other words, it's ALL fucking embarrassing

>>87353618
oh but there is "magic" in Lynchs works. What about the guy that is at Dick Laurant's house and at the same time at the party, in Lost Highway? INLAND EMPIRE circulates around a fairy tale.

>>87353651
I tend to believe Judy was only seen in the glass box and vomitting garmonbozia in 1945. The rest is Sarah possibly being possessed by her and being completely irate as Cooper fucks up the timeline in E18. Judy is deprived of her plan.

>>87353854
No your home is reddit

>>87353854
You're just disregarding the plot because you don't like it.

>>87353748
Red Room "a place between two worlds" ... hm, yeah. I don't know, maybe it IS an alternate reality after all. E18 ...

>>87353871
Never been there, honestly.

>>87353889
I like the plot. And there's multiple levels/layers of it.

>>87353747
lel, ok, yeah that's possible.

>>87353831
Does he though? Everything sci-fi in the Secret History can explained as a way to view the Lodge Spirits. Things our minds can't comprehend so we process them as something easier to digest; "the owls are not what they seem".

>>87353901
Yeah, and in Episode 11 that house is dillapidated in that reality, but obviously preserved as a bridge to her home in the alternate reality.

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>>87353858
>I tend to believe Judy was only seen in the glass box and vomitting garmonbozia in 1945. The rest is Sarah possibly being possessed by her and being completely irate as Cooper fucks up the timeline in E18. Judy is deprived of her plan.

This makes the most sense. Laura will also go back to a time before Judy possesses Sarah as well, doubly fucking things.

Also, I just realized Judy/Sarah was ultra paranoid about the timeline changing. Remember how paranoid she was about the new beef jerky? She asked how long it had been there and freaked out.

My mind is being blown

>>87353858
>What about the guy that is at Dick Laurant's house and at the same time at the party, in Lost Highway?

This is simple. Remember, the guy has a handheld camera - this is a hint. This is the figure of the omnipotent and omnipresent Author. Lynch himself, also The Author as an abstract entity.

It is a recurring theme in DL works. Remember the scary bald cowboy in MD?

Charlie in TP: The return is also The Author. As well as The Arm (of the writer).

>>87353993
So she did! Nice catch.

>>87354015
Who was Charlie?

>>87353929
>I like the plot. And there's multiple levels/layers of it.
Fair enough, but the Dougie shit is explained. I get what you mean though. Kyle is never credited as a character the whole season, and the doppelganger doesn't respond when asked by Jeffries "Cooper?". One interpretation of the characters is what shapes your identity (in which case, Tulpas and doppelgangers are simple metaphores). You're not you in a dream-like world, and that's what happens in the end, kinda.

>>87354053
Audrey's husband. He threatens to "end her story". And he does, eventually.

>>87353855

Yeah, but I read a statement where he says something else. in my earlier post (top)
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>>87353945
"The owls are not what they seem" is pretty much inspired by that Magritte painting.
the "Tulpa" thing is an idea close to Buddhism and Lynch has picked up a lot from this, even when Leland dies -> Cooper quotes verbatim from the "Tibetan book of the dead".
that is just cultural eclecticism if you ask me.

>>87353949
but it is red and in another town, isn't it?

>>87353993
also, she says that "men are coming!" ... but that could be the real Sarah having premunitions on the woodsmen in general. Afterwards, she goes home, Hawk visits her and she seems just as possessed as she is when she fucks up the CUNT'RY guy in the bar - notice how you can hear things falling over in her house when Hawk is talking to her and how weirdly she answers...
seems like she's shifting between Judy / Sarah same as Leland did towards the end as BOB got more and more power over him (the kissing dance with Laura's cousin etc.).

>>87354108
The owls are the Lodge Spirits, same as the aliens in the Secret History. Same as the horse, same as the angels.

>>87354015
there's a lot of fourth wall breaking I think your points are interesting to contemplate.

but the things occuring at the same time - calling the creepy guy at his house - are still magical. like the coin "beaming" in Ray's mouth.

>>87354073
yeah Lynch just loved the idea of the real owners of the Palmer house acting out the roles in that scene. they have the names from FWWM in the movie afterall.

>>87354192
No. That's Judy speaking through her at the grocery store (some men are coming), realizing The Giant is fucking up her timeline and sending Cooper and the FBI team to the town to change the timeline. That's why she at the end of episode 17, is stabbing the photo frame of her daughter, pissed off that Cooper changed the timeline. But then we see him enter the other reality/dream world at the end, which Judy creates right after to counteract Cooper's interference in her timeline and trap him and Sarah's daughter there.

>>87354225
haven't read the Secret History. Does it really say that? wow. So is this more about Roswell? I thought Lynch was uplifting the power of the invention of the atomic bomb to a ripple in the fabric of the universe yada yada, you know.

Goodbye, guys. It has been the best summer in ages. See you all at the curtain call.

Judy is the dreamer.

>>87354522
I'll see you again, in 25 years

Meanwhile

>>87354377
Judy creating the house and timeline is interesting. It would mean that she then screams for Laura (Jao de, again) and is going to persue her. But then why would Cooper worry about the year?

It would also mean that The Mother is in persuit of Cooper, too, since the lady in the weird space with Naido warned about "Mother is coming!"

>>87354539
also, Judy is a bedwetter
oozing garmonbozia
kek

>>87354554
I guess Cooper is worrying about the year because its just natural instinct for him to ask about it, I mean he goes to her home and there are different people owning it and owning it before hand.

Oh yeah she is definitely in pursuit of him. Smart guy who keeps putting himself into her plans and trying to save the day, of course she's going to chase after him and try to thwart him.

>>87354554
>But then why would Cooper worry about the year?

Not him, but you ask yourself those kind of questions when you try to grasp reality. Little kids don't get out of bed when they see the sky cloudy, because they think is still early morning. If you check a clock in a dream, there's a chance you'll wake up inside the dream. When Cooper asked the year, that happened to Laura.

>>87354673
But that rather seems like he realized that there is a mistake going. He might have been ported to a year way after Sarahs death, or way too early (which would go well with the Tremond trailer park home, which also took place before the investigation and events in FWWM).

>>87354554
I just realized, perhaps it could take place a few years after Sarah somehow dies or gives the house up, perhaps to the tremonds/chalmont spirits. Perhaps... it is the future. And it could stretch up to 10 years without affecting technology much, what with how cars/homes, stores, etc; look.

So now that season 4 is all but confirmed, when do you think it'll be ready?

>>87352491
update
just finished ep16
so comfy

>>87353581
>It could be the alternate reality version set up by the black lodge spirits
shut up redditor

>>87354783
2 years?

>>87354677
Someone pointed out that Sarah's scream is exactly the same as the first scream after she got murdered and Sarah is looking for her in the house in the morning. ... ???

>>87354779
Yeah we don't know if Laura is pulled from the woods into another place / timeline and different year altogether. A year where Sarah is already dead. But when Coop and Laura arrive at the house, she seems to not remember and is even kind of sorry, but then at the end, all the strange pauses and her scream would make it look like she quickly remembered or has fragments of memories coming back ...

fucking Lynch, it's Tuesday and it doesn't look like this will stop bugging me anytime soon. Thanks, David!

>>87354783

Depends if enough people want to see it and if Showtime had a good revenue off of it.

btw, Lynch seemed to have given in to product placement big time. It was completey distracting at times! Remember, he hates product placement like the plague.

>>87354822
get ready to leave the comfortzone!

>>87354985
I think they'll do it but it'll probably be the last season.

Other hand Lynch said he thinks TV is now where it's at to be creative and prefers it to Film, and said he loved filming this season.

>>87354928
>Someone pointed out that Sarah's scream is exactly the same as the first scream after she got murdered and Sarah is looking for her in the house in the morning. ... ???
It is the same. But my interpretation is that Laura wakes up inside the dream (or the nightmare) Judy manufactured. She disapears from the original dream (TP season 1 and 2). Pete goes fishing and finds no corpse not because Laura is saved, but because she's non existant. She says it herself after disappearing: I'm dead, yet i live. By hearing her mom calling her, she awakes in the new dream.

>>87355028
yeah and he's 70. time to retire, lol.
by TV, he basically means streaming and tv series in the way you get them now.
I would like him to make another movie actually, because there are a lot of flaws in the challange of making a tv series. It's just an overwhelming piece of work to make 18hours stick together. I'm not a fan of lukewarm sideplots, for one.

>>87355176
thats not old. if he was 80 yeah

>>87355450
Chodorowsky is 88 and still filming.

>tfw avoided /tpg/ all summer to avoid possible spoilers

I kind of regret it, but I'm happy to discuss things now and see /tv/ enjoyed something for the first time since Drive

>>87355450
>>87355467

Jodorowsky, bless his heart, what a great guy.

>>87355498
It's been cancer, you didn't miss anything. The Vedder memes alone ... for such a mediocre singer songwriter dickhead.

>>87355498
Funny that it is true for me personally.

I don't hang out on /tv and don't watch movies/tv in general, but the Drive and David Lynch's work are the only movies I love.

>>87344278
It wasn't his Doppleganger.

Part of him went to sleep when his face became super imposed on the screen when he saw Diane.

>>87355765
went to sleep standing up? wut?
remember, the superimposed face was saying "we live inside a dream" as the clock was stuck at 2:53

>>87355467
Clint Eastwood too and he is 87

>>87354985
Supposedly it really boosted subscriptions. Certain players already sound optimistic about season 4 happening, I guess it all comes down to whether Lynch wants to or not.

And yeah, he did a total 180 on product placement. Annoying, but if it helped the show get made I'm not going to complain.

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>>87355556
you'll see...

>>87354985
The scenes with product placement are set in our reality

>>87356108
just a few years ago, he was passionate about his hate for product placement and people watching movies on their phone ...

>>87356367
lel, yeah or Black Lodge Hodge Podge

>>87354985
>>87356108
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>>87356405
Having real life products isn't product placement you morons. He had Heineken and PBR in Blue Velvet.

>>87352562
She obviously hasn't eaten for a while on the grounds of being locked in with a corpse. Also, FBI doesn't seem to give a fuck about the corpse, so I'd feel bouncy as well.

>>87356476
Dude the Raisin Bran extreme closeup isn't product placement? Giving a Skype tutorial during the actual show isn't product placement? I loved season 3, but you've got to be honest here Anon.

>>87356476
>>87356610
Apple, Samsung, Audi, Mercedes, ... so many Logos in your face ....

He once said "It ruins the mode" ... seems like he gave in to it for the sake of the show.

One thing that baffles me is the Tremond/Chalfont thing. I thought Tremonds were just random lodge spirits but they play into a much bigger picture apparently. Why are they so important?

I've had enough of reading theories for today. My head hurts and I need some fresh air.

>>87357962
tell me about it!

>>87357792
I'd guess it's Lynch and Frost patching up holes. Not saying they aren't doing a great job, but it seems like they are trying and at times they are trying hard.

>>87353468
Only the person having a dream can be the "lucid dreamer". By definition, you start to realize you are in a dream, yet you don't wake up and are ableto shape the dream. A person inside another persons dream can't be a lucid dreamer. Just saying.