/tpg/ - Michael Was Right General

was the Diane sex scene supposed to be so ominous? why was Cooper like he was?

>>87308948
He was half Booper.

Why wasn't Annie in this? I understand her not appearing, but she isn't mentioned a single time, it felt weird to me

last scene was a dream

laura in 1989 is the dreamer

cooper asks what year is it

laura's mother calls out to her from the waking world

laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's dreaming

she screams and wakes up back in 1989 the morning they would have found her body had cooper not had changed the past.

>>87308978

Please respond.

>>87308997

>Using Reddit posts

Fuck off retard.

>>87308864
I called the ending out weeks ago, and got nothing but butthurt denial responses in return. Apologize (to me).

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

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>>87308997
How do we stop these crosspostering pieces of shit? They're not even blatant about it anymore

>>87309032
I guess it's more like "why does Coop keep trusting these beings/following their orders". It all depends on whether you think he truly did fuck up or not and whether the Fireman and MIKE ever gave a shit about Cooper beyond getting BOB back/keeping their version of order in the Lodge (meaning having the doppelganger back precisely after 25 had passed).

>>87308997
It's like 1991 all over again lads.

Reminder that the Nu-universe Bob was the dead thug in Carrie's house.

>>87309158

>Tfw Bob wasn't a bad guy at all
>MIKE, the fireman and everyone else where following Judy

>>87309153
They are blatant. They aren't being subtle

>>87309237
BOB was a force of nature, very impulsive and hard to control. He's like a xenomorph basically, more animal than anything. MIKE (after he lost his arm, if we believe him ofc) and the Fireman are different and hve more tact, so to speak. That's why I've never wanted to say they're specificalyl the good guys of the story, it's far to simplistic.

>>87309153
Generals are reddit. Twin Peaks is inherently reddit. Liking Lynch is Reddit.

What exactly do you expect? You're all fucking shit taste having redditors.

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>>87309388
Are we arguing over what Mr. C said to Richard, again?

>>87309509
What the hell? Doesn't he say "I'm 25 years your senior."

>>87309128
based hawk hater

>>87309153
last scene was a dream

laura in 1989 is the dreamer

cooper asks what year is it

laura's mother calls out to her from the waking world

laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's dreaming

she screams and wakes up back in 1989 the morning they would have found her body had cooper not had changed the past

>>87309546
The Canadian-sourced webrip has it as "For 25 years you've seen her". The audio is changed as well. Very odd, since it appears all other sources have it "I'm 25 years your senior". At this point, it's possible Lynch has hidden alternative lines and meaning in difference episodes, and released them to different countries. We really need to get on this and find all such instances

>>87309885
>car driving
but anon, that was really boring and established nothing. because lynch directed it, that means it was good.

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Friendly reminder that we witnessed the missing Page from the secret diary of Laura Palmer last night.

>>87309153
Why do you care. Some shitty 4chan post on the internet isn't prized intellectual property. There aren't and have never been rules saying you cant post things on different sites

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so was this Audrey?

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Is she Judy, jumping man or both?

>>87308948
I believe she still retained the memory of mr c raping her. She knew it was the good coop but the thought lingered. It was bittersweet

>>87309020
So her dream in 1989 involved a car from the mid-late 2000s

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>Cooper will never get to confront Judy

I'm not expecting a final boss or anything but why set up a new antagonist if it doesn't go anywhere? This shit really needs a movie or something.

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>>87308864
boys where can i find that ending credits music tho

>>87308997

i get slightly erect when i see people get LYNCHED this hard

>>87309696
It's interesting how they fucked up the "it's yrev very good to see you again old friend" in the spanish dub. Essentially he only says "very" once. That is a very shitty dub though. Unbearable.

>>87310256
jumping man is a living symbol for travel between the lodge and the real world, her face was superimposed on him because judy was living inside sarah in the real world

>The woman who answered the door in the end is actually the real owner of the house in real life.

>>87308864
literally what was the purpose of the Audrey scenes

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>David Lynch in his twilight years uses his favorite and iconic characters to display a world of loss and regret
>wtf i hate twin peaks now

reminder that reddit and dugpa GET FUCKED

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>Twin Peaks ends with two people, each full of multiple identities bleeding into each other, lost and scared and confused and alone, on an empty street in the middle of the night

Beautiful

Season 4 will revolve around Kyle, Ray Wise, Sheryl and Leaping Lad. Can't wait, boys.

>>87310321
They're in our world now? What?

>>87310256
Both, kinda. All the evil lodge spirits are in some way Judy, the vomiting Judy did in episode 8 was her spreading her evil to a bunch of different forms. Jumping Man being one. Jumping Man is part of Judy, he is also part of Sarah Palmer. Sarah Palmer is part Judy.

>>87310354
I was really disappointed at how little Ray Wise was used.

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>>87310235
>>87309478

>>87310299
dunno, I've been wondering that too. It'll probably turn up eventually

>>87310340
not much, but it seems her end was meant to be ambiguous, the dreams acting as the dreams of a character "waking" to a white room and mirror. no direct meaning or purpose but to solidify her ambiguous existence

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>>87310235
Because the state if /tv/ is thanks people like you. The unwritten rule is "lurk more" - people don't follow that and shit up other boards and think they fit in with their reddit lingo

So is Cooper going to get stuck teleporting all over and making people shit their pants like Jeffries?
Seems like Jeffries also got a bit too cocky with the lodge and now he's paying the price, just like Cooper will.

>>87310319
>>87310381
wait nvm what i said about jumping man being a symbol is retarded this makes so much more sense

or at least, he does represent that but he didn't have sarah's face in those few shots for the reason I stated

I was 100% sure James was going to end up with the asian chick with no eyes since he's such a cool guy. Instead she turned into Diane with red hair. I got LYNCHED hard.

>>87309004
Yeah WHY though?
There is no why.
It's just "Yeah he seems like half good/half bad Cooper now"
Even though Bad Coop had been destroyed.
So I guess maybe it was just that Good Coop has become so disillusioned by everything that he can't be his normal self anymore.

the more I think about it, the more the final episode annoys me, such a waste of time. I rewatched just last episode and there is about 30 minutes there of literally nothing happening with no dialogue

>>87310271
Woah. Makes me think. Dreams are supposed to make sense.

Woah...

I can live with this being the end but I really need Lynch not to take another 10 year painting break.

Here we go, my take.

Judy aka Demon God gets into our realm during atomic blast.
Laura Palmer is dimensional white lodge Jesus type creation to save us.
Laura gets trapped in endless rape and abuse to bring her down by Black Lodge spirits and Judy's underlings.
Laura dies but not really as she is white lodge creation.
Laura DREAMS Dale Cooper saving her.
Dale Cooper becomes real at the end aka Richard.
Cooper at the very end starts to realize this.
Dream collapses and Laura wakes up.

Laura survives her death but nothing really changed as Judy still exists.

Basically FUTURE REFUSED TO CHANGE...

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guys i just took a huge shit and now i feel a lot better. highly recommended to people feeling bad about the finale

>>87310340
Get to the bar.

>>87310440
w-whoa...

>>87309011
She was mentioned once when they went over the note she gave to Laura.
This was very weird and flawed, though. It would've been better if she wasn't mentioned at all. Instead they mention her once via the note, but nothing else ever, and Diane is Coop's main squeeze even though the last time we saw him he was obsessed with Annie.

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Carrie for cuddles.

>>87310456
it's weird, but I feel more positive about episode 18 than 17 after I've had time to think about it. I just love the ending so much.

i loved this series of twin peaks but the finale was really unsatisfying. i wasn't expecting much in the way of closure, but i at least expected something powerful. instead it was mostly just boring and confusing, and then it ended. it was like one of those weak episodes you sometimes get halfway through a series, but you're not that bothered by it because you know there'll be a good one next week. except there isn't. it's just done.

i genuinely think inland empire and lost highway made more sense than this.

How are there sadbrained plebs who are mad at the finale? Like, how did you not drop it by this point if you can't handle an ending like this? How could you have watched this whole thing and think that Lynch is a hack because you didn't get a happy ending?

The real question is, this Albert end up with the qt from Buckhorn PD?

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63rd for leaping lad

>>87310456
>tried cranking one out earlier
>started thinking about Cooper instead and had to stop

Terrible. Show went to shit when Dougie left.

I haven't felt this way about an ending since EoE, crushing stuff

I DON'T GET IT, I SAW SCREENSHOTS OF DEATH GRIPS DURING THE CREDITS, WHICH EPISODE???

>>87309509

This was one of my favorite late /tpg/ memes. Shame it didn't take off.

What the fuck was that """" ending""""

Shit is not going to be renewed either

Will an interview or an off the cuff remark from someone involved in the production that lynch and frost lost the run of the plot half way in and had no idea how to end it?

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>>87310502
So now that the dust has settled, what's official Sheryl Lee characters ranking out of Laura, Maddy, and Carrie?

>>87310532
64th*

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>>87309478
>in the end we were all Reddit
What did Lynch mean by this?

>>87310561

episode 19

>>87308948
Lynch has similar ominous sex scenes in Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive right before reality is completely transformed and shit goes off the deep end.

>>87310517
Lynch is a hack for making a S3 in the first place. His worst work to date. It would have been better as another film, like FWWM, and then he could have used film instead of digital.

>>87310415
Name 5 times pic related ever happened.

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SRAEY EVIF YTNEWT NI NIAGA \GPT\ EES LL'I

>>87310561
The one made 5 years ago when they were still relevant.

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>>87310428
>James
>cool guy
James was a typical meathead. He learnt nothing throughout the series, even deep into Season 2 when his out of town affair storyline was by far the worst thing in Season 2, keeps getting used as fuccbois by multiple women. He barely had two brain cells that rubbed together.

Compare this to Bobby's character arc, from being a drug dealer, to a reformed working man under Ben Horne, making amends his relationship with his parents, and becoming an upstanding cop in the town.

>>87310576
t. lynched

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>>87310274
>This shit really needs a movie or something.
It's not happening. Fans now turned on the show, Lynch has no interest in more TP, and Frost's book has the word "Final" in its title. This was it.

>>87310261
cuck

>people hating/praising the ending

The ending was all right. Having to slog through 17 episodes of literally nothing happening, just for a basic ass 'time can't be changed' was not all right, however.

christ that was depressing. at least in the finale of S2, while we know bad shit is going to happen, at least Cooper in the lodge has a sense of what's going on. this is just hopelessness and confusion.

>>87310614

That meme you like is going to come back in style

>>87310354
season 4 is so not happening

whether you "like" the ending or not, it's impossible to deny that it is masterfully surreal

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lad's nose behind the right pilar. leaping lad is the one confirmed.

>>87309696
>it's possible Lynch has hidden alternative lines and meaning in difference episodes, and released them to different countries. We really need to get on this and find all such instances
Nice bait if you realize that laying all of this out would only make everything less explicable and less satisfying.

>>87310642
FROSTED

>>87309479
lynch is also a berniefag so it doesn't matter.

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Richard (Cooper) and Linda, two birds with one stone.

The plan all along was to get rid of Bob, and then plant Judy/Jumping man or whatever into Sarah

Friendly reminder that /tpg/ will be gone from the face of /tv/ in a week

>>87310415
>the state if /tv/

I hate to inform you, but 4chan has been what you would call 'normie' for years now. You thinking that this is only recently happening shows how normie you actually are. Only newfags come here and want to think it's some secret club. 4chan has been mainstream as fuck for a while now.

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Post vintage memes.

>>87310579
Looks: Maddy > Carrie > Laura
As characters: Laura > Carrie > Maddy

>>87310642

But Time changed

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This scene was so great. I hope they had full recording of Carl released as soundtrack.

>>87310661
enhance this

Ok, what the conclusion on the finale?
How lynched are we?

I didn't understand what was happening in the end but I'm fine with that.

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>just finished Part 18

>no
>not like this

hey guys, if you want some answers you can pre-order 'twin peaks: the final dossier' right now. it comes out on october 31 worldwide ;)

>>87310458
Voting for Trump? Not on my watch you're not!

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>>87310712

>>87310749


I'm fine with being Lynched, but I won't be Frostbitten!

Bob vs HULK HAND was glorious trash, like straight from SyFy original.

I get the feeling that the guy who kept going on about how S3 is just Mark Frost writing about his father's dementia is going to come back is style.

>>87310693
That's a good thing, generals that keep going long after the show is off the air are a particularly awful kind of circlejerk cancer. There can still be occasional one-off discussion threads, and things can pick up if any new Peaks media comes along.

>>87310711
We barely break the top 200 sites browsed globally while Reddit is in the top 10. Lurk more and adapt or fuck off.

>>87310545
unironically this

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_HVuwtQ1B-U

>>87308948
Jungian psychology. He embraced his shadow self.

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>>87310749
>mfw first episode to the last

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ending in webm format, though it isn't as effective without the sound

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Press F to pay respects.

F

>>87310794
Kitschy representation of other television genres is a staple of Twin Peaks, so it makes sense.

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>Season 1 ends with Cooper getting shot
>Season 2 ends up with him trapped in the lodge
>All the episodes of S3 were written and directed by Lynch

If you expected a normal ending to S3 you're crazy desu. If you had any expectations for what the finale would be like then you deserve to be disappointed. Once Jeffries showed up as a tea pot and Mr C started asking him about Judy all bets were off. There was no chance in hell we were getting a regular ending to the series.

LYNCHED
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>normal people: this show is shit, it has no consistency nor a linear plot that you can follow, it's a mashup of a bunchof drawn out scenes that are never explained
>lynch cocksuckers: HURR YOU HAVE BEEN LYNCHED YOU JUST WANT COFFEE PIE AND DALE GO BACK TO PLEBBITT REEEEE HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE THIS SHOW YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH

really makes you ponder

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BOBE NO

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>>87310864
Sheryl Lee sitting in a chair

>>87310853
It isn't effective because you've already seen it

FUCK COOPER KNOWS ABOUT THE TREMONTS AND THE CHALFONTS FUCKING SKIPFAG

>>87310340

The more I think about them, it seems they were hints that Audrey is not living in the same reality we're seeing (until the finale). All the characters, names, and situations involving her and the Roadhouse barflies are completely separate from everything else and never clearly explained. She complains about not feeling like herself.

One episode goes from her last appearance being her choking Charlie, to the next being them calmly entering the Roadhouse together. All of her scenes have a very dreamlike quality, as if she's one of the few people in Twin Peaks that is aware reality is shifting around her or altered entirely.

I think her scenes with Charlie (excluding the Roadhouse scene) are set in the Carrie Page reality, where she never met Cooper or got raped by his doppelganger, or got in that bank explosion. That's why she never mentions her son Richard, her family, or any other familiar character. That's why she's legally entangled in a loveless marriage with a weirdo.

Something is definitely going on with scenes related to her and the Roadhouse nobodies because the Arm repeats her dialogue about "the little girl who lives down the lane" to Cooper.

Screaming Asian girl at the end of episode 16 was probably realizing she wasn't in the right reality as well.

>>87310853

can someone explain to me how sheryl lee isnt a world famous actress with tons of movies?

look at her face

look at the moment she remembers the house

the slight shaking building up and then she literally turns into the exact same laura palmer scream from 25 years earlier

incredible performance

18 hours is obviously too long. Lynch got confused and I don't blame him. Could you write 18 hours worth of this shit and have it make sense? I think not.

Just finished watching this
Did I like it?

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>>87310893
VEDDERED

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>>87310853
>>87310860

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Reminder that anons bitching about reddit are just /v/ crossposters upset they lost the GG wars.

>>87310954
no

>IT WAS ALL A DREAAAAM

FUCK OFF SHYMALANAMAN

>>87309478
Newfag needs to fuck off. /tv/ has had Twin Peaks and Lynch discussion threads since you were in middle school

Am I the only one who is feeling neither LYNCHED nor angry? I was completely emotionally satisfied with that ending. Usually, I feel like i'd care about all the red herrings and loose ends, but i'm just... totally fine with this. It was a good ending.

>>87310954
Nah.

>>87310813

The holy Trinity of shitposting generals:

>/dbs/ Dragon Ball super general
>/mk8g/ Mario kart 8 general
>/tpg/ Twin Peaks general

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>>87310954
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_HVuwtQ1B-U

>>87310954
You thought it was good.

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>>87308864
To the people who might have been confused by the end or think there's plot inconsistencies, while I won't go into any theories specifically or deny any criticism you might have. I do think it's important to understand several parallels drawn by David Lynch and where he took inspiration from to truly get what he was going for (or was trying to go for). I'm not going to explain any theory in and of itself, but I will try to lay a general line of thinking out on the table.

There's a clear inspiration taken by Lynch from a certain genre of anime, in particular the likes of Angel Beats (2010) and Charlotte (2015). Both heavily criticized for doing the exact same thing Twin Peaks did but it really does all fit together well if you're of an high IQ enough to understand and appreciate this type of story. I know this might come of as unbelievable but there's many similarities here and if you want a less complex version that might help you understand the Season 3 Finale of Twin Peaks I think it's best to have seen the aforementioned shows.
They might be a little rough, and things might seem odd. But that's exactly why it compares so well to Twin Peaks. You can see, going from the first to the second show the time that has passed in real time reflects within the show itself. AB (?) C (?). It's a rollercoaster ride much like Twin Peaks was (is? season 4?) and will likely help you answer many of the problems you might have had with the ending of the third season of Twin Peaks. They're diamonds in the rough. They're the crude oil running through the veins of our inner sanctum. But at the end of the day you can better understand Lynch as a person, a creator, and, most importantly, a human. What his eyes saw and what he tried to reflect. Through the works so brilliantly parodied by him that go beyond a subconscious mind.

If you've got 10 hours of free time, and want to understand Twin Peaks on a much higher plane, consume these 2 shows. Thank me later.

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>we couldn't save her
>we couldn't save anyone

>>87310864
Legit the most beautiful woman I've ever seen

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>the entire purpose of this season was to show like in FWWM that Twin Peaks is Laura Palmer's story, not Cooper's, and every time he tries to interject himself into it as the main character he just fucks things up even more

BRAVO LYNCH

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>tfw -Laura is the one- actually meant she is the only one that matters, everyone including Coop can go fuck themselves, Laura is alive.

i wonder what i must have felt like being an actor in this shit show

having no idea what the fuck the meaning of your character is and you realize that your boss just makes up shit as he goes

>>87310954
You loved it and realized its the new sopranos ending and will only get better with time.

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Well?

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REMINDER THAT 'JUDY' IS A MISANDRIST ENTITY

for those who haven't noticed yet, the mother theme, sarah being disturbed in the grocery store by the "men who are coming", the alternate dimension of episode 18 is filled with female centred symbolism

>judy's diner
>a guy brutally murdered in carries house
>innocent female waitress is harassed by "men" who are essentialy evil and natural rapists
>the town's name odessa, although it is a real life place, the choice wasn't random
>the old lady in the diner is ignored by her husband despite having done nothing wrong
>alice tremond's husband is not shown, the focus is on her and the lady who sold them the house


My conclusion is that MOTHER/JUDY wanted Laura as her "child", just like that girl on episode 3 was trapped there, as an object of belonging. When someone tries to interfere, she does everything in her power to kill the MEN who are responsible.

>BACK AWAY MICHAEL

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Fuck, Marry, and Kill?

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I miss Candie already. Her smile is what I'll miss most about this show.

Cooper switched into bad Coop halfway during sex. It's like the wanking scene in Mulholland Drive all over again.

>>87310954
yes

wow what a story mark

>>87310954
You didn't but we all did.

>>87310984
I loved the ending, I'm just crushed at how sad it is for Cooper.

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>>87310739
You know its true in yr heart frenlo

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>>87310864
Relevant

There's this one clothing store nearby, I remember that I was arguing with some doctor over there, getting really mad at him. I wasn't sure of what the subject was but definitely I wasn't taking it well. So I go downstairs and leave the building after quitting in rage, and I get to the bus stop across the street. But it was a hospital of some sort. Weird, because there were no ambulances or anything.

I wait for the bus, it's raining outside like crazy and there's this kid that somehow got his foot stuck inside a storm drain, so I help this kid. A bus comes and he says goodbye, I'm still waiting and suddenly I hear someone screaming, so I look closely and see the doctor throw himself out of the window. My heart starts beating really fast, a few people gather there and I walk fast back home, without looking behind. So then I don't remember how, but I get to my room and I look at the window, contemplating what I have done, I feel I committed a murder, so I look outside and for some reason I end up outside the window and I fall off

>>87311065
The one on the right's got some nice DSLs.

>>87311065
Marry Candie
Don't cheat on her
Live happily ever after

>>87310412
>it seems her end was meant to be ambiguous
Honestly at this point how is Audrey's end any more ambiguous than anything else?

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>>87311024
if Coop managed to save Laura in some version of Twin Peaks, then Audrey might be fine
she'll just never meet her special agent

>>87311117
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_HVuwtQ1B-U

>>87310924
She has an illness that made it difficult for her to work.

She's been in a lot of stuff and she's 10/10 but unfortunately she was basically LODGED.

>>87311052
babbys first Lynch

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>>87311111
CUTE Quints

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Why does Lynch hate Cooper so goddamn much, lads?

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>>87310712

>>87311072
Cooper and Diane were Richard and Linda in the dream or parallel reality or whatever you want to call it and were starting to get taken over by those identities. Diane was and left. Cooper was kind of stuck in between.

If they wanted a cliffhanger EP17 would have been enough for ending.

This shit is done.

>>87310921
Hey, that actually makes a lot of sense.

>tfw Mike (Bobby's friend) only appeared in one episode.

I think good, normal Cooper saved Laura Palmer.
And after that, went after the big bad in Sarah Palmer.

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>>87311173
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_HVuwtQ1B-U
I rule

>>87310340
They're the whole of S3 played out in miniature.
Drawn-out confusion > Breakthrough > Depressing awakening

>>87311072
Something definitely seems different about him after he wakes up in the motel.

In the scene where he takes down the three rednecks in the diner and deep-fries their guns, his dialogue was so wooden and detached from the situation that it made me think of DoppelCoop.

>>87311062
Lynch hates women

>>87311065
fuck Candie
marry left
kill right

>>87308997
ep 17 was the ending. ep 18 is a pikot to season 4

>tfw the little release Laura got at the end of FWWM is gone and Cooper has made it so that she will suffer recurringly forever

feels bad man

>>87310924
Her performance in Fire Walk with Me is probably the most powerful I've ever seen.

>>87311062
Also she probably ate the delivery boy of her groceries, and barely could stand talking to Hawk

Why does MOTHER hate men so much, /tpg/?

>>87311227
If that was the case I don't think he'd cast people like Chrysta Bell who was only there for her ass.

>>87311072
>the wanking scene

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>>87311111
Hellooooo

>>87311253
stop this meme

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leo is key to all of this

Do you think there's any hope for Coop and Laura? Any possibility of them escaping?

i know s4 would be bad and wont happen im just talking theoretically

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Ultimate twist.

Dale Cooper went back to Janey and the wooden fucked up Cooper is his tulpa which he sent to wake up Laura.

>>87311062
>the return was never about Coop's return
>it was always about Laura's return
>Odessa is in a sense a female version of the word Odyssey
>18 parts just like the Odyssey
>Sonny Jim
>strange plot points and focuses that go nowhere and aren't mentioned again
>strange timeline consistencies with things taking place at the same time but in different places
I guess Lynch finally realized that all he could do was try to walk in the footsteps of James Joyce.

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This was Truman's wife in the previous reality....but did anyone else notice her last name? Dear lord...

>two hour finale
>ep 17 is the "satisfying" ending which is saturated with happy resolutions (one punch lad fulfilling his destiny, diane and coop in love, everyone reunited, laura is potentially saved, etc.)
>ep 18 is the final boss on hardcore mode, undoing everything that was resolved by the previous ep and pulling the rug from under the audience and cooper's feet, leaving him stranded, terrified and without a fucking clue

the first ending is meant for children. growing up is accepting that the latter is truly the kino ending we deserved

>>87310924
Sheryl Lee not getting any nominations, awards or recognition for FWWM is still the biggest sin in cinematic history and the final proof that acting is dead.

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Sleepy Kyle :3

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Does anyone else have a sudden urge to rewatch the whole season?

>>87310624
he's a fucking clown
and yes, the affair story is the worst of all

>>87311334

Wait, was that the same actress?

Holy shit.

>>87310954
you loved it

>>87311351
No. I want to keep a little distance from Twin Peaks actually. I feel a little crushed.

I avoided the Russian leaks but I read one that said there was going to be a surprising cameo.
Who was it? Julee Cruise? Nobody else stood out.

>>87309011

What's to say? We know she survived. It's been 25 years, she moved on.

>>87311351

most of us did so yesterday with the showtime marathon

>>87311351
>Does anyone else have a sudden urge to rewatch the whole series?

FTFY

>>87311321
BRILLIANT

>>87311305
ᶰᵉʷ ˢʰᵒᵉˢ

>>87310893
S E E T H I N G

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Lynch is 71, he will die before writing season 4 and you will never know what the ending means

sorry senpai

>>87311351
I started watching S1 again.

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>>87311321
>CUTEposters literally memed this into the season's plot

https://pastebin.com/XmXYkfJe

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW

>>87311287
I didn't say he hated bad pussy

>>87311305
I was very surprised to see him in the FWWM footage actually.

Anyway I guess he did die from those spiders hanging above his head.

so, why did Diane and Coop have such a strong connection? I realise they cared about each other, but for a while there it seemed like she was going to be endgame for him. Was it just them being glad the lodge shit was behind them (for now)?

>>87311312
there is no hope

>>87311404
He doesn't even know himself

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>IS IT FUTURE
>OR IS IT PAST

What if Cooper was actually the one who created Dougie all along? He put all of his "good, happy Cooper" feelings into Dougie. Whats left is Punished Cooper, who doesn't say yes or no coffee, who shoots a cowboy in a foot and puts their guns into a deep fryer.

>>87311334
That's what I thought but I suck at faces and I forgot to check the actress when the episode ended.
Is it really the same actress?

>>87311388
>We know she survived.

uhh we see her dying in the hospital in the missing pieces senpai

the nurse takes the ring from her, remember?

>>87311379
Pete?

>>87311062
>completely forgetting all the scenes of roasties getting BTFO early in the season
Lynch is /our guy/

>>87309020

Imagine being such a dull human being you boil down a terrifying existential moment with so many possible explanations into such a trite little corner.

>>87310924
Because FWWM got shit on which meant most people didn't acknowledge her performance. Most Hollywood casting probably just saw her as being in a shit film and disregarded her which is the greatest sin of all

I would have actually liked this show if at least Bowie made a secret appearence before he died.

>>87311415
Dale and Diane being together makes no fucking sense.

Killing Laura was neccessary to keep the Flow of time follow its normal direction.

Mike, Fireman and the lodge spirits where trying to take over Judy, using Cooper as their tool.

Booper, escaped from the lodge and did everything he could to stop MIKE from fucking up reality.

In the end, MIKE succeeds by manipulating Cooper and resetting the timeline

>But Mike / the fireman was a good guy!

They were the ones that persuaded Cooper to "save" Laura.

who got lynched s18 guys I just watcjed it and I am still speechless. that was awesome!

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>>87311409

>>87311416
b-but anon i want to see dale happy

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>>87311334
>>87311363
Yes. And her last name is Tremaine

Proof That Sarah is Hosting Judy

If you watch the owl cave symbol break apart in the final Jeffries scene, it breaks into a seven, zero, and then an eight. The house number of the Palmer residence. This is right after Jeffries tells Cooper where Judy is.

>>87311459
I wish the voice actor for Jeffries at least sounded like Bowie.

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>>87311334
Wrong, that is not the chick from American Graffiti that plays Frank's wife.

>>87311351
was planning a full series rewatch but this for me too >>87311377

>>87311312
Normally the lodge spirits would help him, but he has served his purpose

>>87311334
>>87311427
How young are you guys? Candy Clark was kind of a big deal.

>>87311295
That's what Naomi unironically calls it

>>87310321
Really? That's amazing, she gave off the perfect unsettling vibe I assumed she was an actress.

>>87311409
reminder that sheryl lee is broke as fuck and it was the only reason why david lynch revived the series, so he could make her some money.

>>87311476
I like the to think the crossover world is the Lodge totally integrated into real life and Cooper played himself

>>87311500
i saw that on reddit too

>>87311496
Tremond, retard.
http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Mrs._Tremond

>>87311536
not for 35+ years m8

i wonder what went through the minds of the showtime executives when they watched the show

>>87310299
>>87310411
Proably in Anthology Resource vol.2 when it comes out

>>87311334
not the same actress

>mom is hosting the root of all evil
>dad is hosting an offshoot of the root of all evil
>laura is a cutey pie waifu

how

>>87311569
IIRC she's doing fine now, she's been in a lot more movies and films since that year she was sick

I think the main person he threw in to give money was Jacques actor, IIRC he's been begging for crowdfunding money and Lynch gave him a scene for SAG health insurance

>>87311590
>what is a joke

>>87311351
I'm gonna watch the last two episodes again and then leave it for a long while.
I've loved this whole season, but it has gotten seriously under my skin, I need a break.

>>87311193
>>87311223
Fair calls. It's clearly not what we'd call 'Cooper', regardless. His inanimation during sex also reflects that as well I think, but he doesn't seem fully DoppelCoop either, like some kind of inbetween.

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>>87311511
Candy is cute! CUTE!

>>87311339
not hard to do seeing how episode 17 is the worst episode of twin peaks ever
I'm glad that noone was there to supervise or stop Lynch but I think common sense would have been the filter through which something like "and then Saitama defeated bob by punching his orb repeatedly" would not pass, it would have been a lot classier if cooper just used the ring on Doppelcoop and brought both to the lodge, I understand that Bob needed to be exorcised somehow but that's the worst possible way

>>87309020
>>87311452
"who is the dreamer?"
"laura is the one"

while open ended, it does seem to fit pretty well.

>>87311351
I rewatched it before the finale. I'm gonna wait a couple weeks before I rewatch again desu

>>87310924
Nobody cares about how well women can act.

>>87310642
the 17 episodes prior were fantastic. the ending was shit.

Why didn't Sheryl Lee never make it big?

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>>87308997
The only thing I don't like was the Cooper / Diane romance.
I can't be the only one who thought Annie was going to fill that kind of role. Would have made more sense would it not?

Anyone have a webm of Coop's spoopy face floating over the happy reunion?

>>87308948
It wasnt a "love" scene- they had sex for it's psycho-spiritual properties, as a duty.

>>87308948
>>87309004
I thought he was just somber because of what he was about to do.

Any updates on the Emmys to Kyle MacLachlan situation?

>>87311476
You're forgetting that Mike wanted Laura to wear the ring, and that led to her death, while Coop didn't want her to wear the ring, to prevent her death.

>>87311662
>the ending was amazing
ftfy

>>87311632
LYNCHED. you expect the master david lynch to do it in a way this obvious?

>At the 2017 Cannes Film Festival, Lynch screened the two-hour premiere of the series and received a five-minute standing ovation from the crowd.

explain

>>87311662
the ending was amazing but not a crowd pleaser

>>87311404
>Implying Lynch won't make The Return of the The Return of Twin Peaks his magnum opus at age 96

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>>87311662
Hahahah
LYNCHED
Y
N
C
H
E
D

>>87311592
GRANDPA BTFO

>>87311628
"Richard" is the real Dale Cooper.
The Coop we know is just dreamt up version of him.

If you keep in mind at all times that you're not owed any explanations, then it's far more enoyable.

>>87311662
completely and totally wrong. the final scene was the best part of the return.

I'll make a new thread when we hit 310, ignore the MJA poster if he makes another one

>>87311052
Every actor who works with Lynch says it's the best experience of their career

>>87311696
What is it there to explain?

>>87311334

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8098443/

>looks almost exactly like Candy Clark
>only has one IMDB listing

What the fuck?

>>87309128
forgot
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
there is no way you can defend these

>>87311662
first half of 17 was shit, everything after was god-tier

>>87311511
But that's the thing, right? Donna probably got very fucking confused, the same way Coop is right now.

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Holy fucking shit what a fucking episode to finish the season with.

>>87308948
Kyle is on a steady diet of 18 year olds. Even pretending with that old hag made him sick.

My issue with the ending isn't the plot but the lack of an emotional payoff. Maybe that was the point, but even FWWM had a bittersweet ending where Laura (and at the time you could argue even Cooper) got some peace. The Return's ending is just, oh, that's it? They're fucked? Oh well.

I would really like if Lynch made another movie similar to FWWM, it doesn't have to 100% resolve the plot but it can give a kind of emotional send-off. It doesn't have to fix everything, or anything, but it can make the viewer feel like "it's over".

>>87311528
What purpose was that? Actually confused lmao

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How do I make myself unlynched again, guys?

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>>87311671
IT SHOULD'VE BEEN AUDREY

Donna/her actress made a permanent damage to the franchise by forcing Annie upon us. Nobody liked Annie, and her romance with Coop was incredibly forced.

This season/movie had some awful scenes and episodes, but the ending made it all worth it

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>>87311675
I made a joke yesterday morning about this.
I literally gasped and stood up when it happened for real.
Fucked me up something mean.

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>>87311421
>throws loaded handguns into a deep-frier without unloading them
>"i don't know if the bullets are going to go off"
That scene triggered me a little bit.

>>87311732
>production staff accidentally walking into frame
lel where was this

Does anyone else hear faint electrical sounds in the final scene? Especially the moment when Coop starts leaning forward.

>>87311759
I found the ending where Laura remembers the house and the whisper great, emotional end.

>>87311476
this, theyre all bad.

>>87311671
i kinda get the feeling annie was a construct sent by the lodge to lure cooper. everything about the effect she has on him is weird.

>>87311696
It was pretty good. The first two (or three) episodes of the show are still my favorite.

What was up with that Bobby scene with the kid throwing up and the crazy lady?

Did that go anywhere?

>>87311615
>Bob is a manifestation of abuse (or "the evil that men do")
>Leland was abused as a kid, causing Bob to inhabit him
>Leland abuses his daughter under the influence of Bob
>When Laura puts on the ring and Bob is unable to inhabit her, Leland kills her out of rage.
>After having her family destroyed, Sarah is inhabited by some other malevolent spirit (maybe Judy)
At least, that's how I see it.

All of Twin Peaks is just a dream Laura saw in FWWM. There is no BOB it's just his father being a jealous asshole. Cooper never existed either.

Basically 'this show was just MC's coma dream' theory but this time true.

Cooper's face hovering over the screen while the other stuff plays out felt like when you get blown the fuck out in front of people but are trying to keep cool about it.
This is a twitter-quality post and you should ignore it.

>>87311334
>>87311731

She's the actual owner of the house in real life

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Did everybody forget about him?

I really wish I had (You)s

>>87311662
You were LYNCHED

>>87311820
just another "twin peaks is actually a hellhole, nostalgiafags" moment

Lads, could it be possible Lynch put some bad scenes in S3 on purpose just to piss of the normies?

>>87310853
Doesn't get any bluer

>>87311820
She was sick and the lady was crazy.

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>>87311762
...I like Annie though and if you think her romance with Coop was forced how the hell do you feel about this Diane stuff in S3?

>>87311792
watch the background of Gordon's dream on the left side
https://youtu.be/MAFJdLRVfyU?t=58s

>>87311849
nigger

>>87310191
underrated comment

so if it's lynch who's directing a show that goes nowhere and leaves 2000 different things unanswered by the time of the boring ending, it's good, right?

>>87311718

Nope

Richard was the Nu-universe counterpart of Cooper. The original universe wasn't a dream, it did happen but got replaced/erased.

Instead of getting "replaced" (like Laura/Carrie) , he took Richard's place.

>>87311864
>>87311864
>>87311864
>>87311864
>>87311864

NEW THREAD

>>87311820
he was vomiting garmanbozia

>>87311849

>>87311820
WHAT WAS UP WITH THOSE RANDOM PEOPLE I SAW TODAY ONLY TO NEVER HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN PLEASE LYNCH ANSWER ME

>>87311690
not being obvious is not a virtue onto itself, now the main driving force behind the show since episode 1 has been defeated in an anime fight and that's how it ends, I thought episode 18 was beautiful and interesting and I can't believe people are bitching about that when 17 and its retarded shit exist

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>>87311872

>>87311799

It's the same sound that comes from the phonograph in episode 1.

>>87311843
no but he's obviously dead and had seemingly no one who cared about him but Shelly and she clearly hated him so who would still be talking about him 25 years later.

>>87309004
I don't buy this theory. Why would suddenly be a part of bad cooper inside of him? A theory that makes more sense is that he lost something when the new Dougie for Janey-E & Sonny Jim was created. Or he's just different in this new dimension/dream that he obviously entered.

>>87311820
They were late for dinner and had a long way to go still.

>>87310711
>when the newfag think he fits in

>>87311351
I'm going to give it some time. Feeling a little overwhelmed desu.

What if the same thing that happened to Jeffries just happened to Cooper - ie: he's gone crazy, teleporting around, ascending to a higher plane of existence, and being obsessed with Judy??

Rewatch this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHl_8WK8w3Y

1) Cooper weirdly says "We live inside a dream" just like Jeffries does.
2) Cooper checks into Room 7 at the motel after "crossing over" with Diane. Jeffires walks out of elevator number 7 (like some kind of portal). Jeffries's hotel room at the Dutchman's is room 8 (implying he ascended?). He also sends Cooper a number 8.
3) Jeffires seems confused as to what year he was in when he shows up in Philadelphia similar to how Cooper asks "what year is this?"
4) Jeffires says he's "been to one of their meetings above a convenience store" and Cooper also teleports to the motel above the convenience store (the Dutchman's) where he meets Jeffries and they talk about Judy.
5)Jeffires and Cooper both teleport away suddenly. I imagine all of the people in Twin Peaks sheriff office probably saw Cooper teleport away in a way similar to Jeffries.

Does this mean that Cooper will become a teapot in the future? This may mean nothing, but I like to think that Cooper became a sort of ascended weird being that teleports away and may never be seen again, similar to Jeffries. Episode 18 is us seeing what Jeffries saw from his point of view.

>>87311496
DICK

>>87311831
>his

but interesting

>>87311680
The nominations were closed in May, so he ain't gonna recieve any until next year at least.

>>87311820
Symptoms of the town's spiritual illness (black fire), the itching scene, the kids overdosing, etc

>>87311605
no way. that last piece is much more of an angelo piece, not the ambient avant noise dean hurley makes

WHAT DO THE GREEN CHAIRS MEAN?!

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So I rewatched the Pilot, and the "Laura" scream at the end of EP18 is, beyond a doubt, a slightly slowed down version of Sarah screaming for Laura at 8:55 of the Pilot. This makes me think that Laura is the dreamer trapped within the dream of Judy, lying in bed the morning she would have been found dead originally. The cut to black is her waking up, leaving Judy's malicious dream.

Who was that guy repeating everyone in the jail and pulling his face off?

>>87310779
This show is above petty human politics.

Did Bob have fury of his own momentum?

I honestly feel embarrassed for the amazing actors who had to sit through this mad man's destruction of twin peaks, a complete buffoon and a hack. The first 2 seasons were brilliant because of Frost and because ABC kept Lynch on a leash, it's baffling how showtime agreed to go through with this complete garbage.

Literally no redeeming factor, plot lines that go nowhere, character assassinations, making the supernatural aspects of the show look like fuckin' 5$ flash animations, horrendous acting, making shit up as he goes along, turning david bowie into a fuckin' tea pot, bob into a fuckin soccerball getting punched around by some british one punch man faggot,5 minute sweeping scenes, a fuckin' 60 minute finale that had 40 minutes of driving with no dialogue, i honestly pity you lynch maniacs that unironically defend this pile of excrement.

>>87312605

Dare I say... L Y N C H E D ??

>>87312605
>tl;dr I got Lynched

Cooper fucked up. Again. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

>>87312605
>season 2
>brilliant

Half of it is garbage.

>>87312524

'Drunk'

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>>87312710
>i have no argumentz but i make le funneh memez xd

>>87313083
Not him but cool frog picture you retarded faggot.

>>87311195
Lynch give two rides