/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General:

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is that dopplecoop's hair? or bob's?

Coop's inability to save Laura is symbolic of Lynch's inability to ever give her character the beautiful story he feels she deserves. It all started with her death and torment and from that moment Lynch knew that whatever he would do to her story, it was going to end with her torment. Even if he undoes her dead, he can't escape the sadness that is inherent to Laura.

It's such a beautiful and sad love story

Welcome to the real /tpg/. Also, season 4 is not happening.

The show is over. Stop making these shitty generals so this pleb series can fade into existence.

>>87307552
go back to colbertposting you worm

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>somehow the best thing in tv history

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>>87307552
>this pleb series
Sure, anon. It's the show that is pleb.

keep this thread alive. the dopplethread will reach 500 posts in 20 minutes

>>87307649
>can't even greentext a fucking pasta
>calls other people stupid

Did Coop lose his quirkiness when Dougie 2 was created, or did he gain Doppelcoop's seriousness when he was destroyed?

Are tulpas like the Arm, split off pieces of the original's personality?

>>87307797
>the Arm
the arm is MIKE's true self, although many people don't agree with me

i got the FWWM script as evidence, and the fact that Al Strobel is credited in the return as Philip Gerard, never as MIKE

The Laura in the woods, was that a younger actress and they did a good job hiding it with the lighting? Or was it digital de-aging of Sheryl Lee and they did a good job hiding it with the lighting

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EXPLAIN THE ENDING, NOW!

>>87307797
He was playing up his quirkiness to keep his old friends comfortable. He gets serious once he's alone with Gordon and Diane.

>>87308665
>Or was it digital de-aging of Sheryl Lee and they did a good job hiding it with the lighting
it was that, look closely at the more close up moments and you can see the clay-like texture of the make up

>>87307333
im glad lynch set up season 4 with the alternate universe and pressing questions. fuck plebs

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>>87308777
Andy is a police officer who works for Sheriff Frank Truman in the town of Twin Peaks, Washington. He is married to the police station's receptionist, Lucy, and the have a son named Wally.

last scene was a dream

laura in 1989 is the dreamer

cooper asks what year is it

laura's mother calls out to her from the waking world

laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's dreaming

she screams and wakes up back in 1989 the morning they would have found her body had cooper not had changed the past

>>87308777
THE COSSACKS ARE IN RUSSIA

>>87307969
The arm is MIKE's evil side, "touched by the devilish one," which he cut off once he "saw the face of God and was changed." That's when he stopped doing bad things with BOB.

>>87307333
She still plays laura perfectly
>>87307797
burning dooper is "burning" inside of him, bringing out his animalistic traits like violence and sex

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You now want a season 3 with more input and control from Frost

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Dougie here to help

>>87308665
It looked awful

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This man is actually ballsy enough to have a damn transparent image on the screen for 5 minutes

>>87308940
We never actually get to see MIKE as we do with BOB right? Or am I forgetting something?

is the magician gonna appear in season 4?

>>87307333
I enjoyed most of Season 3 because I anticipated how everything would fall into place. Episode 18 retroactively ruined most of my enjoyment. The final few minutes were interesting, but the whole season ultimately proved to be a disappointment. And to think that this is most likely the last that we'll ever see of Lynch's directing.

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Can someone edit this with the "Her smile and optimism: Gone" template?

>>87308665
They clearly tried to hide Sheryl Lee in shadow so that you wouldn't be able to tell she's much older, and yeah I'm sure they also did digital de-aging in post.

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We found out everything about Judy

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>>87308968
Nah more Lynch

>>87307333

>Nervous about meeting "J" tonight
>And that was the last entry

>>87309023
More like his smile and optimism gone

I do not understand what happened in season 3.

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>TFW you need Transcendental Meditation to understand the finale

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>>87309021
>the ending was bad because it was different than what I was expecting

>>87308968
>tfw the "final dossier" brings closure to coop and lauras story

>>87307969
Of course it is. Mike saw the face of God and wanted to stop being evil, therefore he cut his arm off. If people didn't know this they haven't played any attention

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Be honest. Were you able to remain unlynched throughout The Return?

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>>87308868

WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM

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In fact, we found out everything in great detail about her

>>87307333
there's still one diary page missing

>>87309021
a lot of those things fell into place in episode 17 tho

where is that god damn diane sex scene webm

>>87308915

This is probably the most graspable conclusion, but it still doesn't fix that BOB is still possessing Leland at that point in time, and Laura will simply wake back up to a life of psyche-warping paternal rape.

What doesn't help this explanation is that Laura was taken from Coop's hand in the woods after changing her fate. There's still some game being played by other entities, I suppose.

>>87309070
I remained unLYNCHED until Audrey's Dance and the finale desu.

>>87309070
Almost. I got lynched with Briggs floating head. That shit was funny.

>>87308999
See MIKE's true self (not via Phillip Gerard as his vessel) like we do with BOB (played by Frank Silva)?

No I don't think so.

>>87308940
yeah, that's the mainstream interpretation, but i believe that philip gerard has always been armless (well, after his accident)

if the spirits have a true face, which only the gifted and the damned can see, i believe MIKE's it's LMFAP

he plays the cards in the convenience store meeting on FWWM missing scenes, he's always in the lodge

the reason why al strobel was overused this season was because Michael J Anderson didn't return imo

>>87309057
>>87308968
Mark, this is David. Stop samefagging on my board.

>>87309070
I was only finally Lynched by episode 18. But I think I'll come to appreciate it eventually

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>>87309070
No
The last 30 minutes and especially the ending itself has me dangling from a telephone pole

>>87308915
>le full circle ending
What a hack fraud.

One of the themes of this season is learning to let go. Coop can't let go of Laura, and in the process of trying to save her, gets JUDY'D. It's like the monkey's paw - Laura lives, but he gets trapped in another dimension where the lodge has more control, Laura is some weird hick, and nothing is the same.

>>87309103
Yeah exactly, thanks.

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>>87309070
B r i g g s' floating head was when I finally got lynched

>>87309094
one punch lad destroyed BOB

>>87309051
>this entire show was Lynch's gambit to get people so stressed out about the ending that they all become part of his TM cult and donate to his foundation

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I got LYNCHED for the entirety of final episode, I seriously do not understand what the hell happened.

Where the fuck did Coop and Diane cross to?
Did DCoop and Coop merge?
Was this past?Present?Future?
Wasn't that name of lady who they bought house from actually used before?

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Planned or just by chance?

>>87309145
>Coop can't let go of Laura
There wasn't anything alluding to this at all.

Idk what twin peaks is but is it related to the 90s movie?

>>87309154
I can accept all the other special effects this season but this was just shit.

>>87307453
it's just coop

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>>87309124
David, this is Mark. You're delusional and it shows in your work.

>>87309173
Sneaky Kyle

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>>87307462
Lynch is the dreamer of Laura, unable to ever fully realize his dream

>>87307462
He was inspired by the film, wait for it: Laura.

So, no.

>>87309140
>hack fraud

You probably think Rick and Morty is original

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How would you rate this series of Twin Peaks overall?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13859863
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How would you rate this series of Twin Peaks overall?

>>87309163

Right, in “present day”, but does that work in a retroactive lodge-time kind of way, so that BOB just ends up never existing ever?

>>87307533
>season 4 is not happening
Good. Season 3 didn't need to happen in the first place.

>>87308909

He was born the same day as Marlon Brando!

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A friendly reminder who DAVID PYNYA really is

>>87309173
>We memed sneaky Kyle hiding in bushes into the finale

>>87307453
pic is evil cooper

>>87308777
FACES OF STONE

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>>87309023

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>>87307333
>we might solve a mystery, or rewrite history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJkVTBSq0M

>>87309223
yes

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>>87309235
this whole season has been a complete meme dream

how does he do it bros?

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>>87309253
Goddamn it.

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>>87309218

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This is my multi-media review of Twin Peaks: The Return.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTXPUF4Oz4

>>87309226
Season 3 didn't happen.

>>87309059
see my reasoning >>87309117

i didn't forgot that dialogue, i just chose to believe something different because of FWWM, also BOB had no physical form as philip gerard had, he possessed leland only

gerard existing just proves to me that the spirit form is something else, he wouldn't be exactly the same as his host

and that's why season 3, al strobel is always credited as philip fucking gerard

never as MIKE

>>87309218
9/10, there were some weak episodes here and there but overall it was pretty solid and I don't regret watching it. Ending didn't conclude anything but that's about what I expected.

>>87309253
but where did ched desmond

>>87307533
>>87309226
Season 4 isn't happening because they're gonna make a movie instead.

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>>87309253
What did he mean by this?

so what was Mr. C's goal? why was he returning to Twin Peaks? what was his unfinished business that he spoke of? i thought his motive was to avoid returning to the black lodge, but he seemed really intent on finding it for some reason.

>>87309070
Last hour got me Lynched hard. I don't know why I was expecting some kind of closure.

The coat is the key to all of this.

>>87309311
He was put in TP by the Fireman

>>87309302
I'd love a movie because there would be minimal filler. However, I don't think anyone would finance a Lynch film ever again.

>>87309079
Carrie page is the missing page m8

>>87309290
None of it happened. Literally everything is non-canon now. Bravo Lynch.

>>87309168
Another realm.
Probably not, Cooper just loses something when he makes the doppler.
It doesn't matter, both affect each other.
Yes.

>>87309085
It was like one part Wizard of Oz, one part End of Eva, and one part Serial Experiments Lain.

>>87309311
He wanted Naido so that he could turn her into Judy

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>mfw audreyfags got fucking LYNCHED

>>87307649
You are such a fucking idiot, you have successfully rustled my goddamn jimmies.

Take off with this "oh it means he can never save Laura" nonsense. Cooper isn't trying to save Laura anymore, you dweebs. He's trying to find Judy to execute the plan he formed with Briggs and Cole.

>>87309070
Everything from Coop going through the door beneath the Great Northern to end credits Lynched the fuck out of me.

Well you know, it was interesting. All the shit that people came up with before the finale. That tulpas would invade twin peaks and kill everyone, that there would be a battle against the experiment of some sorts, that twin peaks would be nuked, black holes, it all happening in audrey's head, some resolution to the weird scenes that didn't seem so right (like the implication that time was fucked in twin peaks). Let's be honest, that was a good trick. Up until right before the finale, there were a lot of endings. Many different ones. Same thing for the unresolved mystery that it is now.

It's very interesting, but people act like it's a bad thing. No, not at all. Being creative is a good thing.

>>87309163
BOB wasn't obliterated. The pieces remained, he floated upward.

>>87309336
where was he trying to go then?
>>87309346
doesn't this imply judy is currently extant? what gives you that impression?

why does everyone hate reddit?

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>>87308777
The ending is that Lynch is an overrated hack who had a couple good movies but is just a pretentious arthouse snob on the whole.
He had way too much creative freedom with season 3, and the end result was a thousand side characters that no one in their right mind should give a shit about, minimal to almost no screen time for recurring characters, an excuse to show off Lynch's playlist with his SNL-tier musical guests, and the most painfully boring, droning scenes that add nothing but frustration.

Cue all the artfags telling me I've been lynched while they blindly defend him and bask in the scent of their own farts.

>>87309362
But he also failed to do that.

>>87309253
i do wish carl was somewhere in the finale

>>87308665

Whatever it was, it really took me out of the whole thing.

So what even happened?

Cooper tried going into the past to save Laura, which seemed to have worked, but in doing so he split timelines? So then he went into the future, or maybe the present, in order to bring back Laura 2.0?

And in the process he lost Diane because their own timelines got messed up?

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>>87309346
>Andy says "she's very important and a lot of people want her dead" when they find Naido
>she's pretty irrelevant after becoming Diane in the finale and literally gets on a bus and fucks off
>no one tries to kill her

>>87308991
Naido = Hitler???

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Has any other show made you feel this way anons?

To be clear I enjoyed the show very much. One of my favorite things about it is that it seems to conjure up such strange emotions. After the ending I feel a "sinking" feeling for Coop and Laura's fates. It's so strange, powerful, but amazing how a show can do this when not many others can reach this level. Thoughts?

>>87309407
16 year olds who are insecure and don't want people to think they post on reddit go out of their way to mention it at every opportunity

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What was the deal with Red making that coin stop in mid-air ? I initially thought he might be related to the Lodge somehow, but nothing came of it.

>>87309346
But Dopplecoop had already met Judy, and didn't know who she was.

>>87308915
Worst theory

>>87309000
I thought Phillip Jeffries became the magician.

>>87309182
Then why the visions of her in the lodge? Why attempt Leland's request? Why the entire final hour?

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>>87309350
I'm not an Audreyfag but is it too much to ask that she get one scene? Even if she doesn't escape, it would be enough to acknowledge that she's still there. Her story ended on a giant cliffhanger. Though at least she wasn't Josie'd.

>>87309398
>what gives you that impression?
Coop turned Naido into Diane
Naido became more and more afraid the close DoppleCoop came so the way I see it, he would have used her in some way

>>87308777
david lynch couldn't fit all of his story into the episodes he had, so he just fit as much as he could and then left it unfinished.

Consider episode 17 as the intended ending of season 3 and epiaode 18; a prologue to a new story, like in the berserk 1997 anime where the 1st episode is retroactively the last episode as well.

>>87309271
>Doppelganger had cloudy eyes in the Lodge

I'm really glad they didn't forget about that.

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coop who raised you you should known not to save these hoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7vQSPBtwyc

>>87309407
It's full of Bernie-supporting leftists who are in open relationships and watch GoT.

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Will she be alright?

>>87309415
This time, yes. Who knows how many times this has happened, or how many more times it will happen? Maybe ten, the "number of completion"? Can't be that easy to take out some extradimensional evil.

>people complaining about "filler" when a lot of the best scenes are "filler"
>literally suggesting it would be better condensed to 8 episodes even with the same ending / lack of resolution
total brainlet opinion / side-effect of being overly LYNCHED by the finale (I was LYNCHED too but not so hard as to throw the whole season under the bus)

>>87309452
it's quite honestly a superior community and if i were to tell anyone about my browsing habits i'd rather say i use reddit than admit i go to 4chan

>>87309460
He was told to do it. It wasn't that he chose to do it because he was gung ho.

>>87309465

But she did get one scene. There was a rerun of the footage of her when Pete went out fishing on the morning of laura's murder.

>>87309453
Maybe Richard was just high as fuck.

>>87309117
>the reason why al strobel was overused this season was because Michael J Anderson didn't return imo

Maybe, but he also actively helped Cooper from the Red Room so that he would wake up and track down DoppelCoop.

The arm in its original form (played by MJA) wasn't definitively allied with anyone; he mostly just wanted his garmonbozia. The evolution of the arm seems to have shifted more to MIKE's side, giving Cooper the clues he needs.

so why are people saying coop ruined everything? he still saved laura, right?

>>87309094
>This is probably the most graspable conclusion, but it still doesn't fix that BOB is still possessing Leland at that point in time, and Laura will simply wake back up to a life of psyche-warping paternal rape.
Actually, I think that makes a lot of sense. Coop wanted to save her from death so badly he didn't even consider the fact that leland would continue doing the dirty, even if Bob was punched out of existence by one punch lad. FWWM complicates the question of whether leland was entirely innocent, and Laura screaming at the very end is her confronting the fact that she has to wake up from her dream alter ego and face her terrifying, abusive father.

>>87309454
Coop knew Diane really well but had only briefly met Naido but could turn her into Diane anyway

What ever happened to the ghost from episode 1?

>>87309199
lynched

>>87309453
>tfw totally forgot about this by the end

if there isn't a s4 this show sucked

>>87309453
He's been studying magic.

Please be honest for a moment.

If Lynch had filmed a pile of poop for 2 hours, would you call it a masterpiece?

>>87309479
>tfw when I'm a Bernie-supporting leftist who hates GOT, thinks open relationship are for idiot cucks, and has never been on Reddit
You can't pidgeonhole me fag

>>87309490
my heart felt full after this scene

>>87309453
literally nothing came of the entire fucking show, anon

>>87309444
watch more anime

>>87309529
>ghost

Eheheh.

>>87309551

It would probably be the least worst shit that I ever saw in my life.

WHAT
YEAR
IS
IT
?

At the very end when they hear "Laura!", that is from first episode and Laura is sleeping/dreaming.

So Coop did save her at his own expense.

>>87309453
turns out it was just part of the whole "people never change" shtick with shelly

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This scene makes so much sense now

>>87309070
Ask me again after I've watched all 18 in a row.

>it's the only way to be sure

>>87309414
ahahaha
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>>87307649
based hawk hater

>>87309453
It was a metaphor, he is in charge of his own fate and in that moment controls Richard (why the coin appears in his mouth)

>>87309597
I'll be honest, I completely forgot about that scene. Now I'm laughing again.

>>87309199
>>87309154
lynches favorite movie is the wizard of oz, you figure the rest out

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>>87309346

I want Naido too, tbqh

>>87309591
Save her from what? She's still being raped by her dad and emotionally abused by her mom.

we will get all the answers in Season 4

>>87309494

Realistically, you could remove all the scenes involving Jacobi, Nadine, Ed, Norma, Shelley, Becky, Steven, Gersten, Red, Audrey, Charlie, and any of the Roadhouse scenes and it wouldn't affect the main plot at all. I'm not saying it's a good idea but you could do it.

>>87309342
haha i too care about "canon" in my surrealist art :-)

>>87309524

Hmm good thoughts, anon. I need to watch FWWM again. It's been years

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>>87307333
Does anyone know the title of the last song in the Ep. 18 credits?

>>87309597
>>87309625
AAAAH
AAAAAAH
AAAAAH
AAAAAHH

>>87309551
why is it so hard to fathom some people loved it? i hate the "le filmed shit" meme

Hold up, that name Joanne Fond or whatever when it was used before?

Do I have to rewatch all of seasons 1 and 2, FWWM, and The Return to figure this shit out and get unLynched?

>>87309428
yeah, what did diane even do? she served no purpose, just gets herself lost in some other timeline or whatever the fuck happened.

>>87309523
compare laura happily accepting her fate in FWWM to whatever the FUCK is going on with lauras life as carrie page

did he really save her?

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>>87309460
>Leland

>>87309673
It's the official LYNCHED theme

>>87309255
Fantastic, thank you

wait wtf

was there a general for the final episode?

why? /tv/ has proved to not give a shit about this show

>>87309673
Lynched Again by David Lynch

>>87309524
This is my interpretation as well, but then it's also difficult to discern whether Laura has really been the "dreamer" this whole time, that there's the possibility that the events of Twin Peaks are at least partially Laura dreaming that her miserable life will at the very least affect dozens of people, that someone out there could actually care about her and her situation.

>>87309414
Literally mad at Lynch being Lynch, this is hilarious. Remember this is the guy who debuted with Eraserhead.

>>87309362
Two birds one stone- save Laura/find Judy

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>>87309551
>I hated it so you must all be pretentious

You're the hipster here, faggot.

>>87309629
His favorite movie is Sunset Blvd and he already did a bunch of Wizard of Oz stuff way more blatantly in Wild at Heart

>>87309683
You can't ever get unLynched
Now we truly are become like Coop, forever stuck in confusion

>>87309668
Lol who cares bro? I'll just change the past bro. Fuck you.

>>87309597
I still don't get it.

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I knew it was going to happen sooner or later yet I was still not ready for it.

Holy fuck, whole last segment is crushing when you realize Coop is terrified and completely lost.

>>87309683
last scene was a dream

laura in 1989 is the dreamer

cooper asks what year is it

laura's mother calls out to her from the waking world

laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's dreaming

she screams and wakes up back in 1989 the morning they would have found her body had cooper not had changed the past

>>87309705
because plebbit, 75% of posters on tv are from plebbit

>>87309658
and we would have lost a huge chunk of good to great scenes, which is why that would be a retarded choice

It was because the heart of Twin Peaks as a story has always been Laura's abuse and suffering. and while you can try to make some meaning from it (by solving the murder, or turning it into garmanbozia, or going back in time to divert it) it's always going to haunt the show/reality, just as the Palmer house has always been haunted.

>>87309468
Fuck off Hideki Anno

>>87308999
>>87309103
>>87309149
desu lads i always thought the implication was that Frank Silva was meant to be a real life human possessed by BOB that sexually abused Leland as a child, but maybe I am wrong.

>>87308777
Coop travels back in time to rescue Laura, sending her to another dimension before her murder. Coop then goes to the Black Lodge to free Diane. Coop and Diane travel to the dimension where Laura is. The new dimension is so completely different from the original dimension than Diane is no longer Diane and the Twin Peaks murder never happened.

Basically, Coop traveled to a time and place where none of the events of the series ever transpired.

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>>87309414
You've been

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>>87309732

I interpreted that as return Booper to the lodge/kill BOB.

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>lynch still hasnt explained how the fish got into the percolator

WTF I WAITED 25 YEARS

>>87309762
This.. this makes sense?

>>87309688
His eyes were normal, it was Leland.

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>>87309444
Feel the same desu. Lynch values the experience. I had a fantastic time.

>>87309762
stop copy pasting this it doesnt explain shit

at least rewrite it coherently

>>87309551
only if it was rendered using poor cgi and set to a soundtrack of industrial clanks, electrical noises and an overlay of maclachlan's face saying "we lived inside a poop"

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>>87309746

>>87309684
I thought Coop needed her to get into the other timeline or whatever.
Like, he fucked up rescuing Laura from the past, and so he needed to go get her out of the reality where she's a waitress in Odessa, and to get there he and Diane needed to sub in for Richard and Linda by going to the motel and getting it on.

>>87309631

And they say Asian women don't age well, HNNNGH

So what about the rape story of DoppleDiane? Was the double or the real Diane raped? When did she got turned into Naido? aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>87309070
Why did his hat move?

>>87309642
wrong

>>87309787
Frank Silva is BOB himself.

The BOB sphere with Silva's face in Season 3 confirms it.

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>>87309756
Once he starts walking up the steps he feels it.
Then when Alice opens the door instead of Sarah its all over.

>coop desperately trying to go through the history of owners in hopes they'll mention sarah
such a sad scene on rewatch

>>87309824
t. brainlet

>>87309658
I really thought the Jacobi stuff was going somewhere. I was all aboard that theory that GOTTALIGHT was gonna hijack his show. Jacobi was in the first scene of the season for fuck's sake.

>>87309551
Of course, are you kidding? Have you noticed that not a single person can even explain S3 on a basic level, besides 'oh it was a metaphor'?

People are so convinced that the show had some deeper meaning when in reality it was probably Lynch bored out of his mind and only half-concerned with the show. He himself probably thought the show needed to die, and decided fuck it.

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>>87309453
A happy mystery that'll never be solved

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>Find black grandmas

In the S2 final we got Jimmy Scott singing Sycamore Trees, we got the absolotely most kino shots of the black lodge, heart-twistingly scary moments with the doppelgangers, the most epic cliffhanger with Dale turning out to be Bob in the end.

What the fuck did we get this time?
>Car driving
>"What time is it?"

YOU CAN'T DEFEND THIS

>>87309843
DoppleCoop raped realDiane, took some of her hair then killed her and made a tulpa

SARAH PALMER IS JUDY

>>87309762
Nice pasta

>>87309490
Cooper reversed this btw

>>87309871

i hope ray wise lives for another 100 years

>>87309854
no it doesnt because nobody in the show ever even comments on the fucking face, its a visual cue to help the audience understand what is happening

>>87309843
diane wasnt turned into naido, naido delivered diane to cooper

>>87309490
Oh yeah, I almost forgot that Big Ed was a pussywhipped bitch who opted to remain in a loveless marriage with a one-eyed psycho for 25 years rather than growing a pair of balls and getting with the woman he's been making googly eyes at all this time, until aforementioned psycho left him and he finally felt free to get some wrinkled waitress pussy.
What a spineless geezer.

>>87309726
Eraserhead was my first Lynch movie. I was 15 when I watched it, after reading about how it was inspiration for Silent Hill 2. My idea of a deep mindfuck movie before that was Donnie Darko.
I learned the hard way that you should just sit back and let Lynch wash over you. Expectations are for retards who don't understand the man behind the work.

>>87309834
Who the fuck says that?

>>87309551
Inland Empire already exists.

>>87309223
Is it future is it past?


Time flows in all directions at once.

I know that aside from Kyle, the rest of the cast wasn't given the full scripts. Do you think though David gave them to Coulson and Miguel since it was probably known they didn't have long left to live?

so why did carrie have memories of laura's parents if she was a different person in a different timeline where her parents don't exist?

>looking for Judy
>see sign that says Judy's restaurant
>aha found her
hurr

>>87309639
At least she's not dead

>>87309685
This

Also the fact that Cooper was confused as fuck at the very end realizing he had no idea what was happening, whereas Carrie seemingly remembers all of Laura

>>87309868
What I don't get is why do that? At this point everyone was past Twin Peaks so why bring it back only to half ass it?

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>>87309885

>>87309860
>repeatedly posts the most obvious surface-level interpretation with no backup or details that tie any of the other hanging mysteries to it for a complete picture
yet im the brainlet for wanting more?

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Autism incoming

The show was about the past and about trying to change it/recreate it/or ending up repeating it.
>Cooper couldn't change the past and just like Annie and Caroline he couldn't save Laura and was consumed by the mystery, essentially repeating his past actions
>Dougie (used alongside the fact that the show was a return of a long gone series, in a time where there's tons of reboots and revivals) is just a cartoonish parody of Cooper, mindlessly repeating what other people say and spouting one liners, and no matter what danger he gets in he always comes out on top
>Twin Peaks (both the series and the town) is no longer the idyllic borderline parody of small town USA with dark things underneath the surface, the surface is gone and it all feels "wrong".

You can't recreate or undo the past, and in trying, you'll just repeat your past mistakes. Annie was a symbolic redemption for Cooper and he fucked up. This time around Cooper threw out his storybook ending to try and redeem himself with Laura, and just fucked up again.

>>87309843
Mr. C raped Diane, then took her to the spirit world and replaced her with a tulpa.

Diane either became Naido or >>87309906
happened

>>87309863
It led to Ed and Norma getting a happy ending. It just wasn't the hole of shit being dug out of that you saw coming.

>>87309732
Laura's just bait at this point, I think. There's something about her that Judy needs in order to simply exist (clearly not just her death or Carrie's 'reality' wouldn't be so different), otherwise why would Judy stop Cooper in 1989?

Judy lives inside Sarah Palmer but Judy is weakened for some reason. She needs to unite with BOB. Judy's rage when Laura is saved from BOB by time-travelling Cooper rips Laura away into a different world. Cooper has to go find her and bring her to Judy (only Laura can stop Judy). Cooper and Diane have to use Black Lodge sex magick which sacrifices Diane. She becomes Linda in the dream and Cooper replaces Richard, but does not become him. Coop and Carrie have to escape the dream and get to Sarah somehow.

>>87309843
>Booper rapes Diane
>takes her to the convenient store
>traps her inside another place and creates a tulpa to do his bidding
>Real Diane presumably becomes/is transformed into Naido in the muave lodge
>tulpa Diane becomes an alcoholic retaining all of her original memories while still being physically compelled to take orders from Booper

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Who did she mean?

>>87309831
oh jesus i'm such a brainlet i didn't realise any of that when i watched it. so who the fuck were richard and linda?! dale and diane from this other universe?

>>87308920
FYI, Odessa is in Ukraine. Are we getting SLAV'D?

>>87309825
>an overlay of maclachlan's face saying "we lived inside a poop"
kek. would have been kino.

>>87309855
>"What year is this?" is him realizing that his plan completely failed and he has absolutely no backup or hope of getting out of this situation
Fuck

>>87309504
I think it was more the lodge spirits tricked him into this unwinnable quest for their own amusement

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Find who?

>>87308665
When they're holding hands you should just look at her face
I think the other shit when she's talking to Coop was unused footage from years ago

>>87309905
Why would Laura see her father as Frank Silva if he was supposed to be anyone but BOB?

Why would Frank Silva be in the Black Lodge taking Windom Earle's soul if he weren't BOB himself?

>>87309893
Makes sense so that takes us once again into the "what was dopplecoop real motive" question.

>>87309906
What the fuck happened to the real diane then? I mean inbetween getting raped and naido. How did she knew the good coop saved her? fuck me.

Naido being reduced to a placeholder for Diane is another example of Lynch’s clumsy sidelining of non-white characters. In this case, she’s not even a character, but a symbol of a character.

>>87309896
I agree. I think this is why Cooper tried to bring Laura back to her. Laura seems to be a kind of sacred being which might be able to defeat Josy. This is way the beiings in the white lodge created her and sent her to earth.

>>87310007

Billy

>>87309885
the final scene was kino as fuck. shame about the rest. (also Part 17 was hilariously fucking awful)

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>>87309983

If judy was in the house, how the fuck was Cooper supposed to kill it? With a cherry pie?

>>87309909
You mean just like the first time around? Being Big Ed is suffering. I bet Norma croaks immediately after they got back together.

>>87309070
I got lynched hard by the finale, but in a good way. I loved the feeling. But yes some of 17 and then 18 was absolutely the most brilliant and satisfying lynching. Truly inescapable

>>87309906
if naido is some kind of template that spirits can be projected onto, why couldn't laura palmer be resurrected via her? we know her spirit exists in the lodge. i think it makes more sense that diane was literally transformed into naido, then transformed back.

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/tpg/ is an autists dream

>>87309444
I wasn't really sure what to make of the finale after I watched it and kind of felt let down. Then I went to sleep and had nightmares all night. I was in this half dream state reliving the scene where Cooper's face is superimposed over the sheriff's station and he says "I hope to see you all again" before the lights go out. That was the last time we saw any of them. All the favorite old characters gathered in one place, suddenly just torn away from Cooper and the viewers, leaving just this wasteland in the finale. I woke up feeling the most depressed I ever have in years, thinking about the futility of so much of life and really feeling the dread of dying alone someday. It was kino.

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Could he have saved us?

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>>87309996
poor cooper

i think coop is richard, and the moment coop/diane made that transition at the motel, it was just like the shift from betty to diane in mulholland drive. coop/richard is now in the 'real' world, things aren't weird and over the top like the twin peaks world, even richard himself isn't as exaggerated as the cooper he dreamt he was.

i could very well be wrong, but i appreciate lynch leaving things open. an actual conclusion with closure would've undermined the whole series.

>>87309919
Bazinga

>>87309311

He wanted to find the mother (who is Judy, but he didnt know that) and the lodge sent him to Twin Peaks so he could get shot by lucy and get the ring put on him by Coop.

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>tpg will soon cease to be

>Woodsmen took out BOB faggots BTFO
>Audreyfags BTFO
>Lorefags BTFO
>Mark Frost BTFO
>Reddit theorists BTFO
>Comfyfags BTFO
>Anti-Vedderfags BTFO

glorious

What does everyone think? Is this Lynch's ambiguous, but definitive ending for the series or is he leaving the door open for Season 4?

I'd like a definitive answer from Lynch someday, it could change how I process the ending.

can someone explain how they did that special effect where coopers face is still visible overlayed over your vision even once you've turned the tv off and gone to sleep

its been 12 hours now and it wont go away

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Sheryl Lee

>>87309490
Ed and Norma are the only concluded story arc in all of Twin Peaks. How about that.

>Dougie's face superimposed for ten minutes
What the fuck did he mean by this

>>87310076
The real winners are the judyposters. Turns out Judy is the final boss.

>>87309928
To say otherwise would imply that Lynch has been hedging his bets for 25 fucking years, and has had some masterwork planned out.
I really, truly believe one of three things. There will be a season 4, Lynch felt rushed and overwhelmed and tried to stick to many things together, or Lynch just did not care and wanted to experiment and have fun with it.

>>87309905
That's not true

>>87310076
>vedderfags still pretending their "theory" was right
will this meme ever end

>tfw it ended like the Sopranos

kino!

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>>87310100
>I'd like a definitive answer from Lynch someday

>>87310068
Yeah, that outrageous holdup scene at the diner and the dead body with weapons and ammo laying on the floor in Carrie's apartment wasn't weird. Pretty realistic how Carrie screaming made the lights shut out too

>>87310022
he uses the form of a human who he possessed just like MIKE does

>>87310114
we live inside a dream

>>87310023
>what was dopplecoop real motive
Same as BOB's: lods of garmonboia

>>87310066
>tfw Cooper really needs a shovel now

>>87310041
>You mean just like the first time around?

Yes. My issue with it is that it took fucking 25 years for him to get to that point, and only after Nadine was the one to end it. When you give it that context, Big Ed is a spineless beta. He's the stuttering loser playing Magic in the corner of the lunchroom, making eyes at a Stacy who would never give him the time of day.

>>87309996
Could you say Coop arrogant?

He believed he could beat the Black Lodge spirits at their own game and got owned.

>>87309996
>>"What year is this?" is him realizing that his plan completely failed and he has absolutely no backup or hope of getting out of this situation
Some lodge deus ex machina will rescue him again

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>>87309756
Such a great scene

>>87308864
>>87308864
>>87308864
>>87308864
new thread

>>87309407
because the voting system is both pointless and broken at the same time in the most hypocritical ways possible

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>>87310089
Same time Mr. C sees before he throws up in episode 3

>>87310114
>You are entering the Lynched Zone

>>87310075
it ceased to be three weeks ago and you're trapped in a dream, anon

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That ending was fucking stupid man david lynch most likely has early onset dementia fucking stupid i fucking hated it ruined the original show the movie and this new season david lynch is a cuck man games of thrones season finale was way better

>>87309975
There was clearly something going on with her (that line, dead guy in her apartment, missing work for 3 days) that she was running from

>>87310158
no one post in this

>>87309311
To kill Naido and probably he wants to kill Sarah/Judy because Sarah/Judy wants to eat or absorb him

>>87310126
Soprano's ending is super obvious. This one people can talk about it forever

>>87309905
MIKE calls it BOB's true face in season 2.

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>>87309983
>Interviewer: So, Kyle, by the end of the series' run, will we be just as confused as we are now, or will everything come together and make sense?
>Kyle: ...make sense.

So why did they use Ronette Pulaski in that scene after Naido in part 3?
I figured she was just speaking as if she was Laura like how the arm did, the first time we see him and he says his cousin looks like Laura Palmer
Whereas she was telling Cooper to watch out for her mother, in this case would be Sarah

>>87309972
Completely forgot about the Diane going to the convenience store part.
So the real question is still; what was DoppleCoop's motive for all this?

>>87310125
get Richarded (Dicked) Anti-Vedderfag

>>87310123
give 1 example, the characters clearly don't see BOB's face on the orb

>>87310133
no, that's all normal

>>87310110
Ug-Lee, more like

>>87307552

No one will ever put you in charge of anything or listen to your opinion.

slept for 3 hours, had some fucked dreams, and haven't thought about anything other than this show since it aired. we all love it now right?

At least Jerry Horne is safe.

>>87310125
our blessed vedderfriends are 100% correct

>>87310190
BOB's true face is the owl face

>>87310100
>Lynch's ambiguous, but definitive ending for the series
This. Just like back in 1991. He never intended to deliver any conclusion for that "How's Annie?" cliffhanger.

>>87309479
I'm a Berniebro who's been in open relationships and I've been on 4chan for about 7 years now. I didn't even know what reddit was until like 2013

How are there sadbrained plebs who are mad at the finale? Like, how did you not drop it by this point if you can't handle an ending like this? How could you have watched this whole thing and think that Lynch is a hack because you didn't get a happy ending?

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There will be no more Twin Peaks ever. This was it. Fans hate it, Lynch doesn't want it, and Frost's book has the word "Final" in the title.

(Until someone remakes it after Lynch dies with Idris Elba as Cooper.)

>>87310133
the tone is completely different

>>87310260
This. The best part of Twin Peaks was always the mystery. Lynch/Frost originally never wanted to solve the Laura Palmer murder, they were forced by ABC. And what happened when the mystery was revealed? There was nothing left for the show to do and it got shit. The ending of 18 was them doing what they originally wanted to do, we will never find out what Laura whispered, there will never be anymore peaks. This is it.

>>87310156
he makes this exact face (and pose?) in the philadelphia scene in fwwm

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>>87310076
>>Audreyfags BTFO
What have Audrey or Audreyfags done to you? We're not /pol/ or furries, we kept Audreyfagging mostly to ourselves. All we want is for Audrey the character to be given at least similar screentime and character arc to other "high schoolers" like Bobby, James, and Shelly, to see what her lives like 25 years later. But Audrey had to be the sacrificial lamb that got Lynched for no reason.

>>87310275
because it's an ominous dream world. Cooper isn't Richard, he replaced Richard.

>>87310089
>>87310167
2:53 makes 10

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>>87310207
You take that back!

>>87310076
>the cuteposters won

>>87309921
they both saw the ending a few minutes before dying

>>87310242
Too bad David and Mark forgot all about the owl symbolism and just quickly added that Dougie owl scene in Part 4.

>>87310201

He needed a trustworthy connection still with the FBI that he could manipulate to eventually get him the coordinates to the Experiment which has his ultimate goal (presumably to consume or join with it).

>>87310185
ok jew

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>>87310202
Ah, I see the confusion
Me and the other anons thought you were saying that nobody in the whole series has seen Bob's face even though we clearly see Laura react to it in FWWM, the artist depiction of what Sarah sees and Ronette Pulaski reacting to the same drawing later in season 2
But yeah I think you're right about the orb
But then why would the orb say "catch you with my death bag" if it didn't have a face
Ultimately if prefer if it was just like any other spirit created by Judy, possesses a guy called Robert and his family line are all people possessed by the spirit of Robert, with the guy who possessed Leland with that spirit being named Robertson

Here we go, my take.

Judy aka Demon God gets into our realm during atomic blast.
Laura Palmer is dimensional white lodge Jesus type creation to save us.
Laura gets trapped in endless rape and abuse to bring her down by Black Lodge spirits and Judy's underlings.
Laura dies but not really as she is white lodge creation.
Laura DREAMS Dale Cooper saving her.
Dale Cooper becomes real at the end aka Richard.
Cooper at the very end starts to realize this.
Dream collapses and Laura wakes up.

Laura survives her death but nothing really changed as Judy still exists.

Basically FUTURE REFUSED TO CHANGE....

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>>87310089
253

Time and time again.

>>87310158
Would you fuck off you stupid autistic

>>87310272
everything in this post is confirmed. friendly reminder that vedderfriends are infallible

>>87310075

NON EX IS TANT

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>>87310125
you'll see...

>>87310344
>>87310144
Now I get it, thanks lads.

>>87306729

>You're an idiot with a very incomplete understanding of true Christianity.
It's important to face and explore the negative aspect of nature and your soul. To ask "why this war at the heart of nature." To question why plants grow from darkness and into the light, why the beautiful robin can exists by feeding upon the bugs that feast on decay.

You're an idiot. You do realise you own argument justifies watching child porn, right? Look, I don't entirely hate Twin Peaks. Sure, there's a lot of unnecessary stuff in it I don't like that didn't need to be there, but I'm mainly concerned with resolutions. It's all fine and well to "explore the negative aspect of nature and your soul", but if you end your piece of art without attempting to reconcile the darkness that has been discovered; furthermore, if you end your piece of art knowing that it will alienate a large portion of those who see it then it is bad art. What is the ordinary person supposed to take from Twin Peaks? I mean the ordinary person. Not those who go to Youtube and listen to people dissect every frame. That's not what good art is about.