What is the CotCK of cinema?

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>>86859133
Is this a JoJo reference?

Star Wars

>>86859133
C i T i Z e N K a N e
M u H N i G g A

>>86859200
but this album is good

Buffalo 66.

Lord of the Rings Return of the King

Unironically

>>86860044
No

>>86859133
the good the bad and the ugly

Children of Men

>>86859133
The Night of the Hunter or Freaks.

>>86860137
Just because the song is used in the film?

>>86859133
Excalibur.

>>86859133
Excalibur

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>>86860237
>>86860253

Eyes Wide Shut

Citizen kane

>>86859133
BARRY LYNDON

>>86859133
Anything incredibly overrated and most importantly reddit tier.

Uncle Buck

>>86859133
BATMAN vs SUPERMAN

>>86861947
Get a load of this pleb!

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What is the Rustler's Quarter Pounder with Cheese of cinema?

>>86859133
LotR Fellowship of the Ring

>>86861947
More like /mu/core that was stolen by Reddit tier

>>86861913
Patrician confirmed

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What is the Remain in Light of cinema?

>>86859133
Memento

>>86862462

Spiderman Homecoming

>>86859133
>>86859133
One of the most overrated albuns of all time.

King Crimson have 3-5 albuns way better than this, so it would be Godfather

THE WAAAAALL
ON WHICH THE PROOOPHETS WROTE
IS CRACKIIIIIIING AT THE SEAMS

>revolutionary
>majority is mediocre
>the good stuff is really good
>almost everything the artist makes afterwards is better

But Citizen Kane is the ITCOTCK of movies.

>>86863822
pleb

CAT'S
FOOT

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CITIZEN KANE

>>86859133
somewhat overrated but still quite decent jazz rock?

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

anything on here

>>86864129
another pleb. jesus christ. you guys should know that the debut album by the King Crimson heralded the golden age of progressive-rock. The magniloquent, symphonic sound of Ian McDonald's mellotron enrolled them in the neo-classical movement of Nice, Moody Blues and Procol Harum, but the psychedelic overtones, the medieval visions, the gothic atmosphere and the romantic pathos of the title-track and Epitaph set them clearly apart. What guitarist Robert Fripp and bassist Greg Lake penned were majestic ballads, not transcriptions of classical music. Moonchild was an abstract, futuristic poem in which the melody was less important than the soundscape, and the violent, syncopated, distorted jam of 21st Century Schizoid Man invented a new way to put neurosis into music.

>>86863710
>King Crimson have 3-5 albuns way better than this
More like almost entirety of their discography. They only got better with time, ITotCK is their 2nd worst album after Beat, and it's not even a bad album.

Clockwork Orange

>>86864379
hello scruffles

>>86864426
Beat and 3 of a Perfect Pair are trash. Then ITCOTCK.

>>86864922
First half of Perfect pair is pretty lame, but it has Larks pt3 and Industry on it, which are among the best songs they made.
Fucking hell, one of my biggest regrets in life is not being able to see this band live during double trio era.

>>86859133
Paths of Glory desu

>>86860137
i don't think i've ever disagreed with a post more than this one

>>86864426
god shut the fuck up

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>>86859133
the masterpiece of an overall failed genre

>>86865562
Blow me, faggot.

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>>86866388
>overall failed genre

>>86867488
thanks

>>86860137
>mfw that song first hits
Really suits the movie

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don't deny it

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>>86866388
>overall failed genre

>>86867643
What movie?

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>>86868405
I'm NOT swallowing that b8.

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>>86859133

>>86868981
No, I'm serious.

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What's the LoRaH of /tv/
>fucking edgy but good
>distorted to the point of being hurtful but not noise
>great use of electronics

>>86869328
Brawl Squad

>>86869413
Sounds like a Refn film, one of his later ones.

>>86859167
forced

meme

>>86859133
Sadly, cinema can never match the grandeur of music. This is because music stimulates the creative parts of the mind, aiding the listener in creating worlds vaster than any camera could ever encapsulate. Cinema will always be a limited medium, since the worlds it presents are by necessity streamlined, as opposed to the free-flowing worlds of music, and as such, no movie will ever be as evocative and apocalyptic as ITCOTCK.

This is also why cinema is a lesser art form than music.

>>86870130
Sums it up for me

>>86870130
b8

>>86870130
good post

>>86870235
Deny it all you want, but you know in your bones that I'm correct. This is why your mom would chase you outside when you watched too much TV, but she would never throw you out for listening to too much Bach. Humans have an instinctive understanding of the healthiness of music. This is also why all cultures in history have music, while only decadent and decaying cultures have cinema.

>>86863633
Pulp Fiction.

>>86870704
I know it in my bones that you need to watch more films.

>>86870130
But what about musicals?

>>86872475
or any movie with a soundtrack really
film includes music, making it a superior art form

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>>86870130
>A medium that is dominated by teenagers and women as an excuse to make a quick buck with minimal effort is better than an established art form that requires actual work and effort.
Really tickles my pickle

>>86870130
>>>/mu/
Books are objectively better better than music.

>>86867488
what is the dark knight rises of scaruffi core?

>>86872564
If I build a table, then put a copy of the Mona Lisa on top of it, is my carpentry superior to Da Vinci's paintings because it incorporates both? Truth is, cinema fundamentally needs music to be evocative and emotionally resonant. Music doesn't need cinema; it's brilliant as it is. Cinema has to use music, a superior art form, as a crutch to simply approach the levels of divinity that music effortlessly reaches without any support from other art forms.

>>86870130
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>>86872862
Kek, nice bait. Everyone knows music is trash. There has never been a song made that was not literally the worst song ever made. The bar was set infinitely low yet songwriters keep going lower with every release. The fans are even worse though, if you listen or pay money for albums you literally need to be rounded up and killed, your family and anyone you know as well for tolerating such abhorrent behavior.

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>>86872731
>A medium that is dominated by capeshit and worn-out franchises as an excuse to make a quick buck with minimal effort is better than an established art form that requires actual work and effort.

Really gets my noggin' joggin'.

>>86872862
>cinema fundamentally needs music to be evocative and emotionally resonant.
But silent film doesn't need music. And some of the best scenes ever made lack music.

>>86872777
checked and agreed

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>>86859133
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

>>86873047
The difference is, capeshit and worn-out franchises are generally hated, while shit spanish songs and pop music is praised by everyone. Also
>Music
>""""""""""""effort""""""""""""
Kek

>>86862044
shut the fuck up idiot

>>86870130
>>86870176
>>86870313
>>86870704
>>86872564
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>>86873047
What the fuck are you doing on a film board then? >>>/mu/ faggot.

>>86872777
This is a respectable opinion, though I disagree. Art forms can be objectively measured against one another in two groups, high art and low art, but within those groups, subjectivity defines superiority.

The groups are as follows:

High art:
>music
>literature
>painting
>sculpting
>architecture
>theater

Low art:
>cinema
>animation
>cartoons
>television
>comics

Not art:
>video games

Those groups are objective in terms of quality, but whichever you prefer within a group is up to you. My order is:

Music > Literature > Architecture > Painting > Theater > Sculpting >> Cinema > Animation > Television > Comics > Cartoons >> Video Games

>>86873276
>The difference is, capeshit and worn-out franchises are generally hated

Then why do they rake in billions of dollars annually?

>>86873407
What the fuck are you doing on /tv/, then? Go back to your containment board.

>>86873476
Normies will still go to see capeshit, people who actually like film will hate them. This isn't the case for music, though.

>>86873592
>B-But they're not real cinema fans.

>>86873508
Because I still enjoy cinema. I simply have a realistic perspective on its merits as an art form. I also like hamburgers, though I would never say they are superior to steaks.

>>86873407
What do you "get" out of your music and high art exactly, disregarding literature.

>>86873276
>>Music
>>""""""""""""effort""""""""""""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUHQ2ybTejU

>B-But I press record while people are in front of my camera.

>>86873703
But music is objectively the worst art form, mass produced and incredibly dull. Even the "classics" are mediocre at best. I guess it's fun for nostalgia trips but as an art form, film is objectively superior.

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>>86873792
Words fail to describe the majesty of music, however, if you want a film that attempts to encapsulate it in a cinematic language, watch Amadeus.

>>86873829
Does it require a team of people that spend years to make a single product? No, it doesn't. Some teenager in his garage can do the same thing as a "professional" songwriter.

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>>86859133
I have never listened to this band but I hate this album cover. I hate how it looks and I feel mildly irritated every time I see it posted on 4chan.

Anybody else?

>>86873952
>But music is objectively the worst art form
>The one single art form that crosses the barriers of all cultures and even gives them their own identity
>objectively the worst art form

>>86874176
Paintings and books do the same thing, but a hundred times better.

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What's the Merzbow of films

>>86873981
It's overrated as hell, look up tantric orgasms if you want a majestic experience or insight.

>>86874079
It took hundreds of people to make the latest Fast And The Furious movie, but only one man to write The Count Of Monte Cristo. Your logic is incredibly flawed, or rather, it's entirely in reverse. If an art form is so pure that a single individual can create a masterpiece from nothing but their own creativity and mastery, then it is superior to something that requires tons of compromise from making ends meet with massive crews and studio meddling, which do nothing but halt the creative process.

>>86874247
That's fair, since they are both high art forms, though I disagree. If paintings lift your soul the same way music lifts mine, who am I to argue?

>>86859133
I HATE King Crimson. They fucking SUCK.

One of the most overrated bands of all time, and only weirdo faggots who should have been bullied more in school still like them.

>>86874296
Figures that someone who doesn't comprehend the beauty of music would also be a hedonist. Your mind is that of an animal, base and crude.

>>86874247
Not all cultures have written languages, or paint for that matter.

>>86874385
>a single individual can create a masterpiece from nothing but their own creativity and mastery
That's why the market for music is filled with pure garbage. If anyone could make a film, the market would be flooded with garbage.

>>86874679
Yes, obviously artistic freedom is the root problem with the music industry. You cracked the code.

>>86859133
140 days of sodom

>>86874779
But it objectively is.

>>86874596
Those don't matter.

>>86873407
There is no objective ranking for art, brainlet.

>>86874894
Yes, indeed. Obviously top 40 artists are garbage, simply because they're allowed too much creative freedom. If only record labels and producers would try to stifle all that creativity and make it all sound more banal and derivative.

>>86874444
mista would lose his shit over this

>>86875049
True. Only a fool would claim that Michelangelo was objectively a greater visionary than Zack Snyder.

Citizen Candlejack.

>>86875183
Again, that is only your opinion.

>>86867643
>facebook filename
u fuckin wot

>>86868405
>>86869328
Fight Club

>>86875264
Of course. It's simply a mere opinion to regard Lawrence Of Arabia as a superior film to Speed 2.

>>86875365
It is

>>86868405
kys

>>86874137
I always thought it was a meme reaction image, I like the coloring. Different strokes for different folks.

>>86863633
True Stories

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>>86873407
>high art vs. low art
>2017

>>86875388
Obviously. Art is just opinions, every single one equally valid. There's no craft that goes into an art form, something which separates superior from inferior. A four-year old hammering at piano keys is just as good as a 30 year old piano virtuoso, who has composed for and conducted world-renowned orchestras. We're all equal!

>>86875049
Yes there is. Unlimited relativism and nihilist crap is a cultural sickness and scourge. Your ideology is perverted and demented. If you as a person cannot recognize the superiority of the statue of David compared to a pile of crushed soda cans on the floor of a modern art museum, you are the problem.

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>>86875101
lol i was only pretending to be retarded

I actually regard all art forms as equal.

>>86875510
>t. culture destroying parasite

>>86875510
Yes, it's 2017, and all art is equal, because some postmodernist fraud said so.

>>86875600
>>86875627
Why are you using these strawman arguments? There may be someone who thinks that, that's their opinion. Calling that 'perverted and demented' is just delusional.

>>86875684
>thinks feminist period-smearing is equal to baroque architecture

I see you're still acting retarded.

>>86875726
he's right tho: you can no longer argue that sculpture is superior to cinema for example

>>86875780
But feminist period-smearing is not an art form.

>>86875819
But it isn't, that's just your opinion. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

>>86875762
It's not a strawman, your ideology is objectively damaging. Healthy cultures and nations require hierarchy, and agreed upon codes and standards.

You are simply a culture destroying parasite and I think your incredulity is not sincere. In case it is, the consequence of your ideology is a culture and nation full of ineffectual navel gazers who will sit idly by while the good things normal men with the balls to make judgements built collapse

>>86875913
no mate it's not my opinion. there is an entire literature on that. i suggest you go to your local library and read a little

>>86875762
Yes, Van Gogh's Starry Night is in no way superior to a closeup of someone pissing themselves. They're both equal, because everything is equal. It's all opinions, and there are no wrong opinions.

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>>86875853

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>>86874137
wrath of god is ironically the MOST like court of the crimson king

somber but very very potent

everyone here is a total fag BTW including you

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>>86875510
>At the press conference, Eco said he had a very Talmudic mind and once even suspected he was of Jewish heritage, since his grandfather was adopted, although his grandmother was Christian, which by Jewish religious law makes him a Christian. He said his fascination with Jewish culture is evident in his books, and when asked to name his favorite Israeli authors, he said he particularly enjoys reading A.B. Yehoshua.


Wow some guy who fantasizes about being jewish wants to the west into an ultrarelvativist hellscape. Really makes you think.

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>>86875913
>call postmodernists frauds
>thinks it's all a matter of opinions

holy kek

>>86872862
Music adds intensity to the scene, it actually makes it better, but the scene itself has to resonate with you to work. Music is much more difficult to resonate emotionally than a film.

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>>86859133
>epic insanity
The Cell

>>86861913
I can agree.

>>86875926
>You are a culture destroying parasite for telling the truth
>>86875953
Again, someone may be thinking that. I wouldn't agree with that, but it's not objectively false. It's only false in our opinions.
>>86876071
I never called postmodernists frauds.

>>86876112
It's not the truth through, that's what you cannot grasp. The vast majority knows what is superior art and know roughly the boundaries of reasonable disagreement in taste. What you're advocating is beyond the pale, you're sick and demented, that's why you can't understand what everybody else does.

People with your thoughts fall into two categories, truly sick demented people or deliberate malicious agitators. In any case, nobody sane argues what you are arguing.

>>86876071

There's a million ways to tie your shoelaces, but most of them are retarded.

>>86876112
Yes, it's all opinions, and opinions are never false. Except the wrong opinions, of course. All opinions are equal, but some are more equal than others. The cultural regard for Monet's paintings as superior to the finger-paintings I did in kindergarten is nothing but an artificial social construct, one which has no place in objective reality. Our sensory input and rational predispositions are completely separate from biological imperatives, because I'm special.

>>86861913
fuck i still need to watch this

>>86876349
Six million ways to die, choose one.

>>86876357
lol i was pretending to be retarded again

>>86864035
IRON
CLAW

>>86876312
But anon, don't you get it? If we call everyone an artistic genius, we will all be artistic geniuses, and if we give everyone a million dollars, we will all be millionaires.

Don't you want us all to be millionaires, anon?

>>86875049
but there is, for example "modern art" is always on the bottom of the scale.

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>>86870130
Scaruffi?

>>86876312
>>86876514
Again, I was pretending to be retarded.

>>86873407
How can one post be this pretentious is beyond me. Are you a music critic by any chance? Maybe famous Italian one?

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>>86876787
t. gamer

>>86876888
Reminder that he tried to shoot up a school because he was a pretenious outcast that nobody liked.

>>86874968
By your logic many of the south american cultures don't matter, and we know what aztec and inca civilizations did in terms of architecture

>>86874431
Can you list some music you like? Gotta make sure you're not just only a pretentious twat, but also a plebeian.

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What is the Merriweather Post Pavilion of Cinema?

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>>86879689
edgeshit

>>86865754
Id go with this, unironically

>>86875627
lol who gives a shit about a dumb statue