Mousebois on suicide watch

>Hammerhead Corvette pushes the meme ship into the gravity of a nearby planet

Trekkeks on suicide watch

>>85298897
>mousecuck not realising his entire ship would be shredded by torpedos

>>85299038
Star Trek torpedoes don't have enough firepower to punch through Star Wars shields.

>>85298833
Why do people even compare the two series? Besides normalfags often confusing them for one another, they have nothing in common

>>85298897
>what are proper shields which prevent this from happening
>starships with actual maneuverability instead of the equivalent of freighters which can dodge the corvette ship's advance
how will cuck wars fans ever recover?

>>85298833
Why do retarded trekkies always think Star Destroyers don't have shields?

A basic tie fighter squadron could handle anything the fleet would throw at them

>>85299475
because they watch the movies
in ESB those "shields" couldn't stop a small asteroid and the Millenium Falcon could attach to a star destroyer without problems

>>85299237
Kids watch this shit for space ships and lasers. Enjoying daddy Picard sitting around moralizing at a conference table comes later once the conditioning sets in.

>>85299590
And? In Star Trek small ships like shuttles can just pass right through the shields.

>>85299145
>star wars
>shields
O i am laffin

>>85299901
>implying the ships don't have shields when the guy says "Shields! Double front!"

>>85299901
Deflector shields, retard

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>>85299970
>>85299980
>powerful deflector shields defeated by pebble

>>85300109
>pebble
>the size of the small hill
That pebble was the size of the entire bridge.

>>85300194
>trek shields able to endure inside of a star
>wars shields utterly btfo by a flying hill

>>85300281
>inside of a star
They weren't inside of a star. They were just close to a star.
And Trek shields can't stop a flying hill either.

you're all fucking losers
>muh powerlevels, muh company wars
you should all get together and just suck hollywood dick you're all the fucking same

>>85299901
Shields are literally a major plot point of Ep 2, 5, 6, and 7

>>85301007
I'm laughing at the state of them. A Super Star Destroyer is taken down because a fighter flies into it for fucks sake.

>>85301133
That's not what took out the SSD.
What took it out was colliding with the death star.

>>85298833
The Enterprise would be able to science bullshit kill a few star destroyers, but there is no way it would win in a full on fire fight. The anterior array of a Star Destoryer is brutal.

>>85301186
https://youtu.be/FHzkTC_49aQ

>>85301189
*blocks your turbolaser*
What now?

>>85300331
Voyager shields could resist the Big Ban for 3 minutes

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i heard some heretics talking shit and i got here as fast as the emperor allowed

>>85301291
*blasts with Ion canons*

>>85301476
I tried to understand this universe once and as far as I can tell it is OP: the universe. Everything is an over sized killing machine.

>>85301518
*beams torps inside your engine reactor*

>>85301476
fuck off you don't even have a movie or a cartoon

>>85301300
They had a Q on board. Also Voyager isn't canon.

>>85301571
Can't beam through shields retard.

>>85301626
Ultramarine exists

>>85301682
I'll just throw a pebble at you first son.

>>85301682
they could in later seasons of Voyager

Only Sisko would be able to properly deal with an Imperial incursion. He was the only one who really dealt with constant war and having to make diplomatic and military sacrifices.

Every other captain would be ill-equipped and Janeway would have let the Empire win by default.

>>85301007
Like how Hon bypassed the Shields in Ep7 the same exact way Miles O'Brian does in ST.

>>85301743
see >>85301647

>>85301715
How are you gonna throw a hill sized pebble? Enterprise had trouble moving small asteroids.

>>85299901
did you forget Episode 1 ?

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Fucking trek and wars faggots crying about which garbage tier show is slightly better top kek.

>>85301816
Battlestar Galactica is worse than both Trek and Wars.

>>85301759
Movie Picard would have soloed them

>>85301845
The Enterprise E was OP and it's design and armament choices were likely influenced by the Dominion War

>>85301816
>battlestar galacticuck
Hello my friend. This site is for people of eighteen years or older and as such I will have to ask you to kindly leave.

>>85301816
>being this desperate for attention

>>85301537
everything is an oversized killing machine and they still lose because everything else is an even more OP killing machine.

also catholic space nazis.

>>85301816
>galactards
lol if star trek, star wars, and stargate were the three major religions of the world you guys would be the pagans who live in huts in africa

>>85300784
I bet you unironically watch Spiderman you pleb.

>>85301985
>stargate
>relevant at all
If Star Wars and Trek are catholic and Orthodox, Galactica is fucking Coptic.

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>>85298833
*blocks your thread*

>>85301759
Sisko was space Jesus he had the power of the prophets with him.

He was too overpowered.

>>85302058
that works too

>>85301476
Star Wars Empire would curbstomp Imperium in a space war. Much better logistics with more reliable FTL, and they actually know how to build more spaceships.

>>85302129
Well I meant to say Stargate was fucking coptic.
But whatever works.

>>85302095
>you can bypass shields by going into hyperspace

>>85302095
>the farce awakens
Pleb detected

>>85299590
Shields block all lasers, not physical matter. It was why a photon torpedo could break through the ray shield in ANH and why Anakin could smash into the hanger in TPM

>>85302214
>lasers
They don't fire lasers in Star Wars.

some supreme autist did the math and calculated that the star wars universe operates a few magnitudes higher in terms of energy output and destructive power than the trek one. he was a trekkie too iirc.

it wouldn't even be a contest.

>>85302214
then it would not stop a photon torpedo

>>85301241
They lost attitude control and gravity control and the DSII's gravity yanked the Executor in

>>85302214
*proton torpedo

Lol I'm dumb

>>85302243
They fire more true lasers than in Star Trek. Chemical Lasers are in Star Wars

star wars ships have terrible aim and Star Trek ships can actually move

>>85298833
nice mary sue ship tards
>everything is going to be 100% back to normal by the end of the episode

>>85302320
No they don't. They fire superheated plasma in Star Wars. Which is a physical projectile.

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>>85298833
Captain. I recommend we retune the phase variance of the deflectors to an amplitude of 5.6 hertz. This should make our ship undetectable to the Destroyer sir.

>>85298897
you mean a ship that hasn't been in service for thousands of years in the sw universe?

>>85302371
Where does it say that?

>star wars ships are infinitely faster than star trek ships

LAFFIN AM I

>>85302095
This is the most bullshit thing in all of science fiction. It makes no sense whatsoever. They neither had the time, money or man-power to create such a monstrosity, and even if they did, powering it by consuming stars so it can destroy a handful of planets is way less effective than just consuming the solar systems star in the first place. Not to mention the laser splitting in all different directions. How the fuck did they do that?

Its a bullshit machine and Star Wars and Disney should be ashamed of it.

>>85302384
Well the Enterprise is much smaller than a Star Destroyer. But Vader would still sense it coming.

>>85302428
Any of the supplemental material that talks about Star Wars.

>>85302265
So their mighty shields didn't stop one fighter from wiping them out.

>>85302145
The Imperium can still build ships, just not the really big ones that were useless anyway

>>85302472
They killed the shields though. Did you even watch the movie?

>>85302472
They just lost the bridge shields like 5 seconds before that.
Did you even watch the movie?

>>85302466
All that non-canon stuff, you mean?

>>85301537
Imagine the singularity happened and AI assisted engineers made buttons you could press to build various superweapons. Now the remnants of that culture press the button and build churches on top of the result.

>>85302527
>non canon stuff
According to Disney everything they release is canon.

a single Borg Cube would defeat the entire Empire

>>85301537
Where do I start with this? I want to learn but have zero knowledge

>>85302573
They released a bunch of stuff on how lasers and shit works?

Star Destroyers have shielding

>>85302507
>>85302515
>n-n-n-no
Sorry mousebois. One spiralling fighter > Super Star Destroyer

>>85302145
>implying the Imperium wouldn't just draw the Empire into a war with a Chaos God or a Tyrannid fleet and watch from the sidelines

>>85302668
So you didn't watch the movie.
Opinion discarded.

>>85302668
>i don't watch things I argue about

Lol

>>85302533
An interesting and unexplored aspect of the Warhammer 40k universe is the 20k era, when humanity was at its peak.

Imagine all the STC constructs you are familiar with, but without all the guns and gothic gubbins.
>Rhino tanks were exploratory vehicles
>the Leman Russ chassis was a robotic tractor
>hover vehicles and other tech out of the wazoo
>an optimistic outlook on the universe

Humanity was not at constant war and had alliances with alien species too. It was a different time. Grimdark without the grimdark.

>>85302686
>>85302686
>shields can be taken down by strafing fire from a fighter
Amazing shields guys. Take two whole fighters to destroy a capital ship wow.

>>85302459
Agreed. Also retarded is how characters on planets in other systems many light years away can look up in the sky and see the "lasers" shooting through the universe in real time.

>>85302709
See>>85302774

>>85302533
Tech priests still build new stuff in secret on mars

These arguments are stupid anyway because as soon as Q shows up nothing matters anymore

>>85302774
>strafing fire from a fighter
>not from several capital ships concentrating their fire on that super star destroyer
DIDN'T
WATCH
THE
MOVIE
OPINION
DISCARDED

>>85302832
>NO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN REEEEEEE
Sorry Wars cuck. Two fighters > Super Star Destroyer loving every laugh

>>85302732
It doesn't really help that elves raped a hole in reality. Even if there was a human renaissance or something, I don't think it would be possible to go back to that time because everything would get corrupted somehow.

>>85302861
OPINION
DIS
FUCKING
CARDED

>>85302818
MOUSEBOIS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>85302813
You mean they "find" new technology.

>>85302818
>thinking Q wouldn't side with the empire
They sound like his kind of folk.

>>85302910
>shield generator BTFO by one fighter
>ship BTFO by another fighter
>NO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN REEEEEEE
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF MOUSE BOIS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>85302946
>proven wrong
>continue to argue

>>85302590
I don't really have an answer for you. I just read the codex books and wiki pages. A lot of the stuff I like about the lore is in the background, and a lot of it is terrible.

>>85302861
>heavy armour
>powerful bridge deflector shields
>enemy caps could penetrate the armour
>not enough power to shield whole ship
>shield core components
>fighters can get inside the shield and knock out the geny
>suddenly no bridge shields

Sorry I had to spell it out for you

>shield generator destroyed by a small asteroid
i-it doesn't count! s-strong shield!
>shields don't stop physical objects
n-no they do despite the movies proving otherwise!
>star destroyers can't even detect a ship attached to their hull
>are slow as fuck
>so retarded that Han made two of them collide by just moving around
>can't lock targets and miss more of the shots
but they somehow win if the Enterprise just stand there doing nothing

>>85303031
*enemy caps couldn't penetrate armour

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Which universe would take longer for a single WH40K's Imperial Apocalypse class battleship to utterly annihilate? SW or ST?

Bear in mind I am not asking *if* the batteship could destroy those universes, because that's a given.

>>85303042
It's a proven fact that the Empire failed colossally in preventing small ships and things from exploiting weaknesses. Don't forget that Jem'Hadar ships were also able to smash into shielded Fed, Klink, and Romulan ships and they were only a fraction of the size of the asteroid

>>85302989
Where's your proof? Want me to link the scene mouseboi?

>>85303031
>one fighter BTFOs shields
>another fighter BTFOs ship
Sorry two fighters can take down the heavy armor of the Empire

>>85303127
PROVEN
WRONG

>>85302095
>how quaint. beam a black stormtrooper into the garbage building so the entire thing can be destroyed by a single torpedo AGAIN

>>85303167
Empire never saw small fighters as threats since they had a gargantuan fighter reserve.

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>>85303060
Well if we're going to start comparing power levels of fictional universes...

>>85303182
https://youtu.be/xPZigWFyK2o
Here's the scene mouse faggot. Go to 6:25 to watch two (2) fighters rip a Super Star Destroyer apart. You didn't watch the film you shill bitch.

>people in this thread think star wars fans are also disney fans

HMMMM

>>85303290
>concentrate all fire on that super star destroyer
Sounds like you didn't watch your own clip.

>>85303290
>>85302946
>>85302912
Disney didn't own Star Wars when this was made btw

>>85303060
Does warpspace exist in SW or ST? If not they aren't going anywhere fast

>>85303252
>two men in row boats will be able to sink an aircraft carrier because row boats aren't seen as threats

>>85303318
Sounds like you don't understand cinema pleb. Show don't tell. Shown - two fighters destroying a Super Star Destroyer. Poor you sweetie.

>>85303339
>US Navy has 1500 row boats to counter said rowboats
I'll take the bait even though rowboats =/= star fighters

>>85303272
>just freeze time nigga there is no way you can die when time is frozen.

>>85303371
>if i didn't see it it didn't happen
Damn trekfags are desperate.

>>85303410
>i didnt see it so it happened
Damn mousebois are desperate

>>85301241
This made me download Insurgency

>>85302145
>>85302684
>implying the Empires sound and measured fleet tactics wouldnt go straight out the window as the first battle barge they counter simply rams a hole in their ship and starts deploying spess muhreens en masse

>>85302732
20k era ships had weapons that literally fired black holes and adjusted the flow of time to ensure they never missed
>source - priests of mars

>>85303379
>the us navy keeps rowboats on aircraft carriers in case a rowboat sails into a carrier

>>85303495
Using your analogy, yes. I'm just using what you're providing. Would you like to make a new analogy?

>>85303475
You misunderstood I meant guns plastered on things that didn't have guns previously

>>85301476
Imperium would BTFO the xeno loving cucks of Star Wars and Star Trek

40k vs GoT

GO

>>85303519
You could make the same analogy that the movie did.
Star Destroyer = Carrier
Starfighters = planes

>>85303519
>there are rowboats on aircraft carriers for the express purpose of preventing other rowboats from sailing into an aircraft carrier
[Citation needed]

>>85301133
the executor's shields were down you fuckhead

>>85303567
There are thousands of medieval worlds in 40k. The undead would be flagged as a Chaos insurgency and the world would likely be nuked from orbit

>>85303578
Oh really? You think? I'm not the one who used a fucking rowboat in place of a fighter

>>85303583
see >>85303339

>>85303552
oh yeah sorry my bad.

Also Imperial Knights were sort of catch all helpers, for example they could be used as farm equipment (chainsword for cutting down trees, cannon for blasting mines and rocks etc), transportation, fucking town statue you name it. Most of the worlds they are on are backwards feudal worlds anyway so imagine king arthur but they have a fucking 20ft high mech to play with.

>>85303617
Ya. Reky by another fighter. Two (2) fighters > Super Star Destroyer.

>>85303660
Neither am I.
Fuck off.

>>85303689
>super star destroyer length: 2, 200m to 19, 000m
>aircraft carrier length: 330m
>its not fair you cant use rowboats you have to use planes reeeeeeee
>the size difference doesn't matter
>it doesn't matter a super star destroyer can fly too reeeeeeee

Star Wars versus Star Trek circa 24th century

>star wars
cross the galaxy in a matter of days, to a matter of hours depending on route
>federation
cross the galaxy in 70 years with one of the fastest vessels

>star wars
swat asteroids out of the sky, blow up entire planets with destructive firepower alone (no technobabble shenanigans like red matter)
>federation
enterprise D spends an entire episode looking for a way to move an asteroid out of its dangerous course

>star wars
construct a 900km death star in a couple years, imperial fleet consists of thousands of star destroyers and hundreds of thousands of smaller vessels
>federation
federation has maybe a couple hundred capital ships until the dominion war demands they be able to manufacture mass quantites for bad CGI battles

>star wars
empire consists of millions of planets covering like half the galaxy
>federation
consists of ~150 member planets

>star wars
civilization has been spacefaring for over a thousand generations
>federation
has been spacefaring for 300 years

its not even a comparison. In a conventional war a single star destroyer could conquer the federation in a couple days. Federation could only win using time travel or other similar unbeatable plot devices

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>>85301476
Heard you were bragging about your spaceships.

Sit the fuck down primitive, if you're going to drag our universe into it atleast do it right.

>>85303823
Except you didn't read what I said about massive hangers of fighters on the SSD. Go read through my posts again.

>>85303824
>star wars
A childs series inexplicably popular with """men"""
>star trek
A commie fantasy inexplicably popular with """men"""
Both losers but at least one tries to appeal to grown ups.

>>85303842
>implying the Necrons aren't a decrepit shadow of their former-selves much like the Imperium

Why are Trekucks so insecure lel
Can't you like both for different reasons?

>>85303909
>mouseboi on damage control

>>85303909
>tfw when you love all scifi but faggots will argue about stupid "who would win" scenarios every day
Just shut up and enjoy the ones you like

>>85303908
They are still kings of void combat.

>>85303954
>he proves his point
K E K
E
K

It's weird to come to these kinds of threads when you have no stakes in either IP. You guys are so hostile

>>85303982
>mouseboi on damage control

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx8IqsmHckc

>>85304003
>he keeps repeating it because he has nothing new to say
K E K
E
K

>>85303988
I have stakes in both and I'm just sitting back and laughing at the shit they fling at each other

> Comparing technology that is 300 years old to something that is closer to 200K

These threads are always fucking stupid and anybody with half a brain will realize that it's impossible to compare the two. The only logical argument you can make is the one I mentioned above. And it ends there.

>>85303715
the fighter crashed into the bridge, and the death star sucked it into it's orbit retard

>>85304248
>NO IT WASN'T REAL NO
Only retard here is you. Your pride of the fleet Imperial Super Star Destroyer got BTFO on camera for all to see by two A-wings.

>>85304022
That's the most autistic shit I've ever watched.

>>85304052
>mouseboi on damage control

>>85304415
>HE KEEPS GOING
K E K
E
K

>>85304373
It's right there in the fucking movie, the SSD is gravitating towards the death star

>>85304433
Because you keep responding to him. Just ignore his crazy ass.

>>85304433
>mouseboi on damage control

>>85301647
>they had a Q on board

There is something about that simple statement that not only will make me believe in anything but also think it's badass. I love the Q so much.

>>85304469
>it's right there in the movie
>one A wing BTFOs shields
>another BTFOs ship
>explosion from impact off one (1) spiralling fighter guts the ship
Yes. Yes it is.

>>85303842
>tfw your mighty world-engine was destroyed by a space marine chapter who literally rammed into it to get on board, slaughtered your armies to a man and blew up enough critical systems for the rest of us "primatives" to simply blow it to pieces
>tfw the emperor protects

>>85304582
>guts the ship
lol

>>85304675
>i have no comeback
lol

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God, I'm sick of this stupid meme.

For one, they shoot superheated plasma bolts, not literal lasers, which the ships in Star Trek actually often do.

And in multiple pieces of media, including the current Disney stuff, a Star Destroyer's full, sustained barrage is said to be able to glass sections of a planet. I really, really don't think the Star Trek ships, which have been seriously damaged in ship to ship combat before, are going to survive that for long unless they do do some stupid, technobabble bullshit and teleport a torpedo in or something like all their action plots rely on.

>>85302479
Does this happen after the Horus Heresy? I've been reading that and it hasn't come up that they can't build ships.

>>85304747
Neither did you this whole time

>>85303957
i'm more into Medieval and Middle Age stuff but lurked in this thread to see what people were talking about. I kinda regret clicking cause now I can't get the cringe off my mind.

I've only heard about how petulant sci-fi people can get but man BOTH of these fandoms take the cake. I'm outta here.

>>85304950
Fair travels Fantasy friendo

>>85302606
wookiepedia splits its articles into canon and non-canon sections. They list which shows or books their info is from.

>>85305007
Oh neat. Thanks

>>85304912
>For one, they shoot superheated plasma bolts, not literal lasers, which the ships in Star Trek actually often do.

No they don't. The Star Wars extended universe went on to explain that they weren't lasers. But the EU was killed... so it's back to being lasers.

>>85305007

it is still maintained by autists and sources of dubious legitimacy make their way into canon

>>85302684
Wouldn't the empire and imperium team up (or at least leave each other alone) until all non-humans were gone?

>>85304382
From your comment I was expecting run of the mill number crunching or scene comparison autism. This backstory is something else.

>>85304912
so can Star Trek ships
the original Enterprise could destroy an entire planet on its own and unlike Star Destroyers they don't miss and aren't slow as fuck

>>85304932
>m-m-my c-c-capital s-ship wasn'tb-b-btfo b-by two f-fighters r-right i-i-in f-front of m-me
Strong the delusion is.

>>85305084
>move massively slower than light
>visible outside their direction of travel
>create appreciable recoil when fired, also strike targets with appreciable momentum
>cause damage explosively, not thermally

referring to weapons, turbo'laser' is essentially a slang term like 'lightspeed' isnt actually the speed of light. they behave in no way whatsoever like a laser

>>85305156
Hey mouseboi, stop quoting yoda

>>85305161
>they behave in no way whatsoever like a laser

Which is fucking irrelevant. They were called lasers, so that is what they are. The EU tried to go into detail about what they actually were... but like I said the EU is no longer canon, so it's back to the original. Lasers.

>>85305107
It depends on which branch of the Imperium arrived and how fanatical they are I guess (and who the writer is lel) Ultimately the Star Wars Imperials would have to submit or die

>>85305238

actually, they're called turbolasers

>>85300784
based

>>85303447
>Dialogue in movies doesn't count because it isn't on screen
Seriously?

>>85305238
>They were called lasers
No they weren't. TURBOlasers were a thing on Star Destroyers, but other capital ships used different weaponry and none of them were called lasers.

>>85305381
>show don't tell
Seriously?

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>>85305238
>Haha see I'm using actual technical science reasons because my TV show is so superior and smart and they block lasers with their shields checkmate startheists!
>But scientifically, they clearly aren't lasers like you mean
>IRRELEVANT AND UNTRUE THEY'RE CALLED LASERS SO THEY ARE BESIDES I DIDN'T TELL YOU ABOUT MY SUPER SECRET ANTI-NON-LASER SHIELDS TOO I WIN DOUBLESIES

Fuck off

These threads should be deleted on the same grounds that Goku vs Superman threads get deleted on.

>>85305471
That Super Star Destroyer better hope there isn't two A-wings around.

>>85299901
4:40

https://youtu.be/SOlG4T1S2lU

>this entirely fictional thing is stronger than this other entirely fictional thing!

>>85299901

>star trek ships
>shield

https://youtu.be/dbGs93JFfb0?t=18s

>>85305452
What if I can lip-read?

>>85305655
>I should point out this is all made up. Some people might not have realised!

>>85305655
Don't you know? The quality of a written work is determined by how powerful the strongest thing from it is. That's why the bible is the greatest story ever told.

>>85305979

oddly, its always star trek fans that seem to start these threads, the supposedly more mature series, that isn't about a galactic war

that or SW false flagging

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>>85301476
>Not having a stc and a daot ai with a weapon that fires blackholes which can go back in time to make sure you hit your target

>>85305636
>i don't read until the end of the thread before i reply
Anon, I...

>>85301626
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYt3aFiheEI&index=18&list=WL

>>85301476
>Imperial Armada in Warp for another Crusade
>Drop Warp
>There's something strange here
>C..Captain we cant find Terra neither Mars
>We're in other Galaxy
>Since half of you crew died in the Warp Travel and you dont want waste Imperial Resources
>Let's Nuke some shit from Orbit
>Strange Planet with Water Core
>Transmission from some Xenos Greetin us
>Commisar on board kill the Radio Operator since he listened Xeno Scum voice.
>Nuke From Orbit
>All we hear are scream molten blood.

>flag ship of the Federation
>one plasma shot by a 100 year old skipper crewed by space somalis completely cripples it

Are you sure Star Trek ships can resit anything at all?

>>85302590
I can give you a quick rundown just to spark your interest:

(1/2)

Sometime in the late 20000s, mankind loses its grip on technology and becomes a smattering of barbarian tribes using tech they barely understand. Across the galaxy, various human civilizations lose contact with one another and descend into anarchy. On Earth, a figure called the Emperor, who has been alive since BC times (and is somewhat implied to be Jesus along with many other historical figures) unites the tribe using an army of "Thunder Warriors", genetically enhanced super soldiers. He later upgrades this design by drawing up plans for Space Marines, which comes about in the form of 20 Primarchs, the Emperor's "sons". However, the Gods of Chaos, whom the Emperor was created to destroy, don't like that, so they teleport the infant primarchs across the galaxy. The Emperor eventually reunites with all of them, now fully grown, and in the process both uses their gene seed pattern to create an army of Space Marines and conquers the rest of human space on a "Great Crusade". Unfortunately, at the dawn of the 30th millenium, Horus, one of the Primarchs, becomes corrupted by Chaos and turns against the emperor, bringing nine of the other Primarchs with him. This is known as the Horus Heresy, and it culminates in a battle between Horus and the Emperor where Horus is killed and the Emperor is mortally wounded, so he's preserved inside the Golden Throne, a vessel that allows him to take control over the Astronomican, the beacon that assists in humanity's form of hyperspace travel, which basically consists of dipping their ships into the Warp (Hell) and praying they don't get eaten by space demons before they (maybe) reach their destination. After that, there's basically just constant war for ten thousand years between the Imperium and the Chaos Space Marines, the Eldar (really evil elves), the Tau (space communists), the Tyranids (giant fleshballs with a hivemind),

>>85306865

(2/2)

the Necrons (metal skeletons created by an even more ancient race), and Orks (space orcs that speak with Cockney accents and are basically Mad Max: the Civilization). The universe is really really expansive, and there's a metric shitton of lore that gets expanded upon every day, so don't expect to know everything. This is probably the most barebones explanation I can give you, and that's just a brief history of the Imperium, not even mentioning all the other factions and gods and shit.

>>85306865
>bringing nine of the other Primarchs with him.

Wrong. Nine loyal primarchs/legions, nine traitor primarchs/legions and two [redacted] primarch/legions.

>>85307067
Didn't GW make 2 unknown primarchs so fans could make their own fanfic around them?

>>85303272
>build a ring one million miles wide and 600 millions miles in circumference with walls on either side one thousand miles high to keep the air in
Was it autism?

>>85298833
>lasers

>>85306128
I'm sure future anthropologists will be fascinated by this weird vestige of tribalism.

>>85302095
Wow, I can't wait for the sun-sized death star in the next movie. Gonna blow up 3 solar systems this time and then get destroyed by the rebels in 15 seconds.

>>85307139
Knowing The Culture, someone was probably just bored.

Now is no time for war. We must unite to fight against the horror which has gripped both franchises.

>>85307431
No no, that'll be in the third film, to mirror RotJ. It's poetry.

>>85301133
>"Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!"
The entire Rebel fleet was firing on that thing at the same time. Green Leader crashing into the bridge was just the coup de grace.

>>85307471
Becoming a fan of anything only leads to misery. Franchises are meaningless. Things come and things go, appreciate quality where you can find it and don't get wrapped up in any particular setting.

wow lol you all need to get laid.

>>85298897
>shields
>dampening field
>phasers
>quantum torpedoes

>>85299842
No they can't. They would have to lower the shields first.

>>85301816
lmao are you implying that a fleet of busted ships with a crew that's starving so bad that they ate all their paper would be a match for the empire or starfleet?

>>85303475
>the Empires sound and measured fleet tactics
good joke
>20k era ships
yeah but 40k isn't 20k also if you wanna talk ridiculous spaceships - lmao Sun Crusher

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>>85309313
>sun crusher

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>>85309442
Oh right. Thank god. Well, anyway Imperium would get crushed in a space battle with the Empire. Empire would get crushed in any land battle, though, that's not even a contest. I guess that's why they call it STAR Wars!

>>85302145
Nope, imperium has a primarch now, SW is fucked

>>85309517
>that image

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>>85309528
Does Girlyman magically gives them fast and reliable Warp travel on part with what SW has? No? Well, better luck next time then!

And when it comes to Exterminatus, Star Destroyers can glass planets with their standard weapons. They're kind of stupidly strong.

>>85302590
Go to the 40k general on >>>/tg/

>>85307824
In Star Trek V you had to put shields down. Not true by TNG times.

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>>85309600
>tfw this is still canon because of TCW show

>>85309648
REBELS I MEAN REBELS

>>85309528
Did GW actually advance the plot? I stopped playing after 6E came out.

>>85309517
>Star Wars
>winning in space
>literally have to be within collision range to hit enemy vessels
>40k space battles are measured in 10s of thousands of km with ramming for dramatic effect
>not a single storm trooper can even shoot straight, but somehow is going to take out even PDF

Jej

>>85309823
I'm sure SW "lore", whatever is left of it, has engagements at large ranges too. If you put 40k space combat in something like a video game or TT, it will be just as close-ranged as SW is.

Besides, you're missing the point. Having reliable and fast FTL means Empire could just pull its forces in an armored first and jump planet from planet, glassing them, while Imperium has to use dangerous and less reliable Warp travel. I mean FFS, in SW they put hyperdrives on fucking starfighters because reasons.

>>85309517
In what heretical universe do jedi beat space marines in?

>>85309962
Jedi are basically watered down psykers.

>>85310031
Aren't Sith just psykers?

>>85310051
well they can't kill entire planets... okay, Nihilus could in old canon

>>85302579
>Just get into the borg cube and shoot the things on the ceiling and leave, they'll just let you do it and then they'll blow up

God that was such a let down

>>85309600
No, but GW could easily use cawl to do that.
Bobby G overcomes the inferior logistics problem, and gives them a strategic genius at the helm who BTFOs any SW general. Also, you're completely over exaggerating the slowness of the warp, and ignoring the fact that star wars engages in space at pitiful ranges compared to 40k. Faster FTL doesn't matter when you're being boarded by a bunch of terminators. Star wars simply won't win a land war against the imperium, they have little if any weapons that can get past a void or gellar field and even they're ability to destroy planets isn't that much of an advantage since the imperium can beat much more powerful versions, like the world engine.
But good for them, they're faster, guess they'll put that to good use when they're running away.

>>85309787
Cadia destroyed, ends up with the eye of terror now spreading across the galaxy through the middle, cutting e imperium in half. Roboute guilliman comes back, having been cured by an ad mech guy he commissioned back in M31 to look at upgrading space marines and fixing other stuff. Guy had been working for 10k years making a new breed of astartes that are bigger and have new armor and stuff. Guilliman begins unfurling everything, ad mech are starting to come to their v tanks errywhere, custodes have started crusading with marines and guard again. Chaos has decided to start really fucking things up now that they can attack the entire galaxy with impunity. Orks won vs Nids, tau are shit and went full gundam, eldar changed their name, became a death cult trying to kill themselves in battle to awaken their death God to kill off slaanesh. It's finally the end times and everybody is starting to come back. Daemon primarchs are cutting out territories in real space now, Angron decided he wanted in on the fight for Armageddon again, so now it's a three way battle.

>>85309931
No it won't, both the BFG TT and vidya took place at the ranges he said 40k happens in

>>85310238
>Star wars simply won't win a land war against the imperium
I said as much...
>the world engine
You don't get it, every Star Destroyer can do that, and there's a lot of them (I actually have no idea how many because who the fuck cares lol).

>>85310297
Looks like standard short ranged space combat to me: https://youtu.be/gWteWul9cBE?t=58

>>85309787
It's hit or miss, but it's not atrocious.
But that doesn't really matter as much as the fact that with 8th GW made the game fun, balanced and not bloated. I'd suggest at least giving 8th a look, it's a fuck ton of fun and the new codexes look to make it even better

>>85310266
dafuq is dis real?

>>85310380
>short ranged

K, that's nice that all you can do is jewtube, but the rule book explicitly states that not to scale

>>85310266
Weird. It always felt like they couldn't advance the plot because it resulted in everything dying. But I guess they did anyways and just went with it, as well as coming up with an excuse to make new models.

>>85310102
Psykers can kill planets?

>>85310434
I'm sure if you look up some some SW lore that still survived it will state that canon ranges of SW ships are large too. I mean, they can glass planets without entering the atmosphere, so it can't be that bad.

>>85310430
Yes. Already rumors of the next return either being vulkan or Russ.

>>85310380
Both the vidya and the TT explicitly say it takes place at the ranges he said

>>85310507
IIRC really really powerful ones can. Also they can get their head blown off and turn into a Warp gate. Which is pretty bad for a planet it happens on.

>>85310419
I would, but I got rid of all my models and I don't really know if I want to invest in the game again.

>>85310509
>glass planets
>can't even hit kilometer long vessels at sub 100m ranges

>>85310540
Nah, It'll be the lion. The rumor mill pics basically confirm as much

>>85310571
The start collecting boxes make it real cheap to get started again, and Ebay still exists. What army did you play?

>>85310587
Yeah probably.

My personal head anon is that ETTS made GW actually do something.

>>85310554
W U T
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Asgard beams will fuck all your ships up
t. the only shit here capable of intergalactic travel

>>85310643
Enslavers.

>>85310031
Psykers don't always win over marines though. Just makes them fight harder. Fuck dude they kill daemon princes or saints all the time, and most of the time they are latent psykers

>>85310671
>get BTFO by an emo goauld that wears all black

Nah senpai, Asgard are garbo

>>85310624
Eldar, but I probably would rather play something different if I was to paint another army.

>>85309642
Show proof.

>>85310584
>>glass planets
Yeah that's still canon.

Also SW wiki says Imperium had 25k Star Destroyers. And a dozen Super Star Destroyers (what an imaginative name).

>>85310721
Well, I mean in a generic sense. I mean, if you put all the SMs vs. all the Jedi that existed SMs would win easily. I guess it depends on how many of those SMs are named characters

>>85310741
Oh god. They have a thing now, that whenever they lose a model or unit, all surrounding units within X range can make a shooting attack in retaliation, it's brutal

>>85310741
Unless that army is sisters, custodes or inquisition, the start collecting boxes can easily get a good army base for rather cheap. Or, if you're at all interested in Marines or CSM, dark imperium is criminally underpriced.

>>85310732
Fake news

>>85298833
>Implying Picard is a superior captain to Kurk

>>85302459

they didnt build it. rumor is they found it.

>>85310540
Sounds like it's going the way of Fantasy

>>85302428
Blasters are particle accelerators that fire super heated Tibanna gas (plasma) contained within an energy field.

>>85302457
A few days to a week to travel across the entire galaxy vs. years and years.
Hyperspace > Warp Factor

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>>85303060
>Do not be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

>>85311203
>jedi
>meaning fuck all compared to psykers

>>85310836
You're right, the box is really cheap.

Did they keep the ally rules from 6E in? Before I quit I kind of wanted to paint up a traitor guard army. If I bought the Chaos half that could tie in nicely.

>>85298833
if you compare the numbers involved with their speed/weapons/shields/whatever, Star Wars kicks their ass. George Boy went full ridiculous with the power creep.

>>85311247
I just imagine if a Jedi was put in the 40k universe. Simply trying to feel the force would probably result in mind rape, but medichlorians probably means that every cell in their body would have the warp whispering to it.

>>85311281
Yeah. They completely reddi the force org charts and what you need to do. It's basically mix and match now (within reason)

>>85311281
>Did they keep the ally rules from 6E in?
Sort of, everything now has Keywords, and you can make a detachment using any keyword, and you can take in that detachment any unit with that keyword. However, their are benefits for taking more specific keywords (like <CHAPTER> rather than just IMPERIUM), like Chapter tactics.
>Before I quit I kind of wanted to paint up a traitor guard army. If I bought the Chaos half that could tie in nicely.
FW made Renegades and heretics, which is sort of like traitor gaurd, with some special rules to make them chaosy. The Rules of them is in the OP in the 40k general on /tg/. They're not the most powerful army (though that's in 8th terms, which has nowhere near the balance issues of previous editions) but CSM are quite powerul and will be getting their codex quite soon, with Legion rules, CSM unique stratagmes and all that nice stuff

>>85311442
>>85311543
I'm not too bothered by power of the army, as long as they're not absurdly under powered. I'm mostly interested in the aesthetics of an army. Making Chaos terrain and customizing IG to be traitors seems like fun.

>>85311794
>I'm not too bothered by power of the army, as long as they're not absurdly under powered. I'm mostly interested in the aesthetics of an army. Making Chaos terrain and customizing IG to be traitors seems like fun.
Then Renegades and heretics is what you want.
It's in the OP on the 40k general, it's in the Imperial FW index, not the Chaos one, with the rest of the IG stuff.

>>85311919
Great, thanks. What army do you play?

Aren't the Star Trek ships designed primarily for exploration with combat ability being a secondary consideration? They're not warships, are they?

>>85312183
Space marines (blood ravens and ultras), daemons of Tzeentch, thousand sons and necrons.

>>85302590
Dawn of War series

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>>85312273
Pretty much, with a few exceptions like the Defiant or Prometheus.

>>85312320
Nice. Tzeentch is pretty much my favorite god of chaos.

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>Grown men argue about this.

>>85312778
I'll never understand why people are bothered by nerds having these kinds of arguments. This is like the fifth "GOD STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS" post I've seen, and I just don't get it. It's probably good for people's brains to think about this stuff in this kind of detail, and to come up with points and counter-points and evidence and all that. What's the problem?

>>85312778
Yeah, God forbid someone have hobbies and enjoy discusing things related to said hobbies.
Fuck off retard, you're posting on a Mongolian basket weaving forum. You're no better than the rest of us, but at least we don't give a shit about enjoying things.

>>85312778
>Missionary
Jesus, what a whore.

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lexx is strongest!

>>85313462
I remember watching this as a kid, and I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be serious or not.

One thing I don't really get about nerds is having to have their favorite fictional universe to be THE STRONGEST. My favorite space-faring universes would get their assess kicked by Star Wars or 40k (Dune, B5). Does it mean I like them less? No, not really.

>>85313462
Is that a spiky needle dick?

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>>85301816

HERE COMES THE ADAMA MANEUVER!!
STEP ASIDE!!

>>85301985
>tfw I'm a Babylonian
what does that even make me then

>>85302095

The could have constructed a millions star destroyers with those resources. LeL.

>>85313947
yeah but that would be like boring and shiet

>>85313562

Eh, Vorlons, Shadows and the other ancients were pretty heavy hitters. Remember the extra-dimensional psychic mindrape aliens that came through the engine?

Or that the ginger was a freak telepath who could control entire crowds as well?

That's potentially infinitely scaling power creep, so...

>>85314061
>Vorlons, Shadows and the other ancients were pretty heavy hitters
Well their coolest stuff was pretty much Death Star equivalent, and they weren't exactly easy to persuade to help. I was thinking more of the younger races, I mean Minbari have some neato tech but the sheer size of SW Empire, which is... like as big as a Galaxy, or at least half as big, right - would probably crush them.

Telepaths are cool, but they were only really super-effective against Shadows, who use sentient beings as their ship cores.

>>85306440
are you severely autistic or just foreign and standard autistic

>>85304475
>mouseboi on damage control

>>85314242

You're not taking the telepath thing deep enough. The 3rd space aliens that the Vorlons accidently summoned were taking control of their entire population via telepathy, that's why and how they were getting their asses kicked and dumped the engine back into warp space.


All the tech in the world won't matter when your own troops/armies/ships turn against you and suddenly hivemind.

http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Thirdspace_Alien

>>85315016
You're taking a weird spin-off movie and extrapolating it to justify your point of view. That's kind of what I'm talking about, as in, fanboyism. Also if we're talking 40k they probably know how to resist that kind of shit.

>>85315090

I don't actually know about 40k.

I'm just saying that B5 wouldn't be so far behind SW/ST uni.

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