I dont understand: why the hate?

people are mad that it was better than their made for t.v. marvel flicks where it's always grey outside

>>84649191
eh people were expecting it to be the "avengers" of DC. But it didnt come close

still a decent blockbuster though

It's a terrible movie in pretty much every way.

>>84650863
if this is the case why do I like it?

>>84650870
because you have shit taste

>>84650870
you've got terrible taste.

>>84650899
>>84650913
so your hate is just dogmatic drivel. Im not surprised

>>84650870
You probably live in a third world country and this is the only movie you've seen. At least, thats the only reason I could imagine why someone would like it

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>>84650974
strawman, ad hominem, projections, nonsense.
did you learn that in film school?

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>>84649191
So many plot holes, and stupid decision making my characters, idek where to start
>Batman being stupid enough to want to literally murder superman because some people got hurt when he was saving the planet
>Superman not liking Batman because he's a vigilante (holy fucking hypocrisy)
>Lex Luthor being omniscient in general, especially regarding the creation of Doomsday
>Superman being able to sense immediately whenever Lois is in danger but doesn't even know his mom got kidnapped and held hostage
>Superman doesnt just immediately go and save his mother from the kidnappers using his op powers, but instead does the bidding of lex to go and fight batman
>Batman is somehow omniscient enough to know exactly where the fight would end up so he could leave the kryptonite spear waiting there
>Batman waits so long before using the kryptonite , (superman could have easily destroyed him during this time)
>Save Martha (who calls their mom by their first name, also this is enough to make Batman stop from literally murdering superman and instead decides to help him out
>Batman who is supposed to be a good guy, would have literally murdered superman if Supe's mom's name wasn't Martha
>General zod's ship for some reason has the ability to create doomsday
>Lex is able to override alien technology's ai telling him the creation of doomsday is forbidden, also the alien ai somehow know's his name, even though he used Zod's fingerprints to access the ship
>Superman decides to use the kryptonight spear on doomsday, instead of Wonder Woman, or Batman which would have made better sense, as he would now fully redeem himself from his murderous rampage.

There's so much more but this is all I could think of off the top of my head.

>>84651759
>his main justifications for disliking a movie are "plot holes" and "the STORY"
We got a future Pulitzer Prize winning film critic on our hands lads

>>84651759
your problem is that you think 1 dimensional. you live in your simple atheistic/ material layer that you would call real/ reality.
because of your simple mindedness you can only perceive things through this lens and you have no perception of any philosophical/ spiritual layer.
so of course something might look like shit to you because you only see the metaphorical tip of the iceberg

>>84651759
>these are the kinds of problems marvelcucks have with films
jesus christ please never try to watch anything besides blockbusters, your brain might literally implode

>>84651856
>>84651903
No I can understand and enjoy the various archetypes explored and shown in the movie, however it's a shitty movie because the execution was horrible and ruins the emersion. For instance I would have a much easier time writing an analytical essay about BvS over Civil War however because the movie's storyline was made to bend and contort in order to fit the archetypal imagery Synder wanted to convey, it ultimately ended up turning most people off since again the execution was poor. Civil War had less overarching archetypes and themes, although it does have some noticeable ones, but the overall execution of the plot and the conflict between characters was done much better.

>>84649191
Because it's shit.

>>84652385
you sound bitter

>>84649191
The actual fight between Batman and Superman felt meatheaded. Not well thought out. But that's typical with Zach Snyder.

>>84649191
With every passing marvel movie i find myself drawn more and more to mos/bvs... just watched spiderman and i felt absolutely nothing and I'm a huge spiderfag

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superman is two inches too short and batman is two inches too tall

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Snyder should just stop making movies altogether.

>>84652856
join us in the light brother

>>84649191
you have to set up a character to do a subversion of him

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People hate Snyder's Superman because they are jealous of his power, and resent him for "cursing" his status and abilities. It's the same kind of contempt that cynical people have for wealthy people who are unhappy.

Superhero movies are "supposed" to a power fantasy, audiences want to insert themselves into a tall, confident, attractive person and see that person succeed. That person can be a smug asshole (Iron Man, Deadpool etc.) as long as they're a winner. Superman should always be winning, and always be smiling, because one should want to be Superman. It does not matter if the hero is kind or humble, as most people do not fantasize about being these things. They fantasize about being happy and powerful.

Zack pbuh wanted to portray Superman realistically, understanding that possessing so much power in real life would not necessarily be "fun" and would actually subject you to a great deal of responsibility, angst, consequence and controversy. The same applies to the depiction of death.

In Iron Man, an unnamed man attempts to shoot Iron Man but the bullet ricochets off the armor and into his face, killing him. This is played for laughs with the ricochet having a boing sound effect and the man falling down in a slapstick style out of frame. The idea of being so bulletproof that anyone who would try to shoot you will die instantly is a pleasurable fantasy.

In this sense, fantasy or "capeshit" as we know it is indistinguishable from propaganda and pornography. Beautiful lies that momentarily pacify our insecurities, but lacking the structural integrity of art that seeks out truth and stands the test of time.

>>84649191
yeah, really bad concept. why the hate, why did they hate eachother from out of the blue?

>>84653721
In contrast to most superheroes, when Superman is confronted with killing the villain, he resists. He does not want to kill, and he pleads with Zod to stop. He is ultimately forced to let Zod commit suicide by cop as this is the only solution to saving not just the man, woman and child in front of them, but the 7 billion more people that Zod vowed to exterminate.

And how does he kill him? Superman does not blast Zod with a colorful laser beam turning him into particles, nor does he drop him into a fiery explosion that obscures the body... No, he breaks Zod's neck with his bare hands and we see Zod's corpse fall to the floor, eyes wide open. Superman then falls to his knees and cries, to some a show of weakness, to others sensitivity.

This is not power fantasy, this scene begs the audience to consider what it means to take even just one life. Most other films in the genre will have the "hero" mow down hordes of faceless badguys and follow-up with a one-liner (I AM GROOOOT) to show how unaffected they are with killing. It's fun to kill, to kill is to win.

And after being conditioned to superhero formula for so long, the scene in Man of Steel "feels wrong" to many an audience member. It should feel wrong. Killing is wrong. But defending innocent people is right. And Superman is a hero because he will darken his own soul to keep the rest of the world pure, he will do what must be done, what can only be done. To deny this as heroic would be to deny the heroism of any officer, soldier or other kind of guardian figure who must kill in the line of duty in the real world.

>>84653754
Look at the "classic" Superman II. No one has an issue with Superman throwing Zod (who in the context of this scene is not threatening to kill a family, but has just had all the powers taken away from his body rendering him defenseless) down a pit of spikes to his death. That is because we don't see Zod's corpse and instead cut to Superman smiling victoriously. We follow up this scene with Superman throwing a trucker across a room. The audience does not question the morality of this act because it is a gratifying for them to see. Is it a petty act of revenge? Absolutely, but it satisfies the audience's base desires.

We want to beat up our bullies, that's the power fantasy. It's Man of Steel that has the father applaud his son for NOT beating up his bully. Ironically the father has been perceived as a poor role model.

Superman II does not claim to be a lesson in morality, it seeks to be entertaining beyond anything else. But Zack Snyder pbuh understands the role that superhero fiction plays in the lives of others. For many, this disposable entertainment is so much more. These narratives shape how we see the world and become the basis of our own decisions. So even in high fantasy, we must speak truthfully about the nature of life and humanity. It's a responsibility.

Man of Steel (along with its follow-up Batman v Superman) represents a new kind of superhero movie, one that forsakes entertainment for artistry, one that trades escapism for meditation, one that rejects revenge and nationalist conformity for redemption and compassionate individualism. There were comic books and then there were Graphic Novels. There were comicbook movies, now there is the Graphic Kino.

>>84651759
you forgot:
>zod ship AI says process is forbidden. lex says creators are dead and AI just goes "ok" as if that means he gets to override everything
>basis for fight is basically a saturday morning cartoon. "i have your loved one, go kill that other hero", pretty much invalidates the buildup
>superman doesn't speak to any of the public. teased with his courtroom appearance in trailers, they probably saw how terrible of an actor they got so blew it up so he didn't have to actually speak
>superman barely tries to talk to batman. oh no he used two attempts at attacking me that were barely an inconvenience, TIME FOR MURDER
>gal gadot's terrible "acting" face
>batman thinking wonder woman was with superman despite LITERALLY sending her and email and talking with her. no point in his investigation did he find any connections between the two. thinking they threw that in because it made a funny line for trailers but didn't know how to actually connect it

>>84653655
>Superman: The Movie
>Superman II
>Superman III
>Superman IV: The Quest For Peace
>Superman: The Animated Series
>Superman Returns
>Batman: The Movie
>Batman
>Batman Returns
>Batman Forever
>Batman & Robin
>Batman: The Animated Series
>Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
>Batman Begins
>The Dark Knight
>The Dark Knight Rises

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>>84651759
>Batman being stupid enough to want to literally murder superman because some people got hurt when he was saving the planet
he wanted to kill him because hes a ticking time bomb and can go rogue if rubbed wrong
>Superman not liking Batman because he's a vigilante (holy fucking hypocrisy)
superman disliked batman's brutal and vicious methods, which included branding people and killing criminals. superman only saves people from man made or natural disasters, he only gets involved in human affairs when it involved lois, which is why he was trialed.
>Superman being able to sense immediately whenever Lois is in danger but doesn't even know his mom got kidnapped and held hostage
clark had to know that lois was going on a very dangerous trips, and he had to focus his hearing on her. he didnt hear his mom because he didn't think she was in any danger
>Superman doesnt just immediately go and save his mother from the kidnappers using his op powers, but instead does the bidding of lex to go and fight batman
he has super speed thats it. he isn't a speedster. time doesnt slow down for him. he cant go to the warehouse and all of a sudden slow time down because he cant do that. he can just bust through the wall and kill one dude while his mom gets shot. he doubts himself so much that hes not willing to take the risk
>Batman is somehow omniscient enough to know exactly where the fight would end up so he could leave the kryptonite spear waiting there
hes a tactician. he knew one way or another that if his kryptonite gas wouldn't tell supes to fuck off, he'd knock him out and bring him to the floor to kill him
>General zod's ship for some reason has the ability to create doomsday
its a method created by berton to ressurect kryptonian corpses.
>Lex is able to override alien technology's ai telling him the creation of doomsday is forbidden, also the alien ai somehow know's his name, even though he used Zod's fingerprints to access the ship
part 1, not touching martha yet

>>84649191
>MARTHA
>Jolly ranchers
>Fucking emails
>Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor
>Luthors entire overly convoluted, bullshit plan
>Cave troll
>Lois Lane being useless to the point of detrimental to the other characters
>Entire CGI fuckfest of a final battle
>Kill off Superman just to have him shown to be alive 15 minutes later

>>84654005
>>84651759
cont.
idk actually why it would know his name, thats a plausible plothole UNLESS somehow kryptonian ship can absorb info from the user
besides that he overrided with simple logic. the only security wall the ship had was that it was forbidden by the council, even though the council was dead so who the fuck would prosecute lex.
>Batman waits so long before using the kryptonite , (superman could have easily destroyed him during this time)
better to time your hits then to fucking spam it like a retard
>Superman decides to use the kryptonight spear on doomsday, instead of Wonder Woman, or Batman which would have made better sense, as he would now fully redeem himself from his murderous rampage.
batman can face against a generous kryptonian, but cant go up against a bloodthirsty kryptonian monstrosity. he'd be ashes.
ww was holding doomsday down.
also the whole reason batman is founding the JL is because he feels like shit for ever wanting supes dead, he won't fail him in death.
part 2, martha is next

>>84651759
>Save Martha (who calls their mom by their first name, also this is enough to make Batman stop from literally murdering superman and instead decides to help him out
batman doesnt know who his mom is. he only cares about killing him. so superman has to reach out with a human name to get his attention. hell he doesn't beg for his life, with his seemingly last breaths clark doesnt care about himself, he just wants his mom to be saved.
>Batman who is supposed to be a good guy, would have literally murdered superman if Supe's mom's name wasn't Martha
batman wasnt about to stop
he was getting distressed at the fact that he wasnt the hero of the story, that the reason why superman came was not to fight him, he could literally rip him apart, but to spare him and save whoever this is Martha is. Lois has to come and tell him that it is Clarks mothers name. Now fullingly knowing that Clark never wanted to fight, and endangered his mom in the process, Batman tells him that his mom wont die, kind of filling out how Bruce could never save his own mother, but can still do good.

>>84649191
women hate what they dont understand

>>84653917
>basis for fight is basically a saturday morning cartoon. "i have your loved one, go kill that other hero", pretty much invalidates the buildup
not an argument
>superman doesn't speak to any of the public. teased with his courtroom appearance in trailers, they probably saw how terrible of an actor they got so blew it up so he didn't have to actually speak
not an argument either
>superman barely tries to talk to batman. oh no he used two attempts at attacking me that were barely an inconvenience, TIME FOR MURDER
not murder its self defense bitch. why do you marlels like to throw the world MURDER like it means anything within the context of what your talking about?
>gal gadot's terrible "acting" face
not a fucking argument either, holy shit are you autistic?
>batman thinking wonder woman was with superman despite LITERALLY sending her and email and talking with her. no point in his investigation did he find any connections between the two. thinking they threw that in because it made a funny line for trailers but didn't know how to actually connect it
not even going to explain this because its so fucking easy to explain
YOU ARE SO FUCKING DUMB

>>84653982
None of that is part of the DCEU

>>84654485
>not an argument
not a counter-argument
>self-defense
it's like claiming self-defense because someone touched you with a feather so it's ok to use an LMG on them
>can't even fucking explain something easy
so nothing at all to counter my points at all. ok then

>>84654799
>You have to set up a character to do a subversion of him

>>84655046
I dont get it... they're not the same characters as bvs

>>84655192
>Batman isn't Batman
>Superman isn't Superman
The utter state of /tv/

kino

>>84649191
The plebs hates what he does not understand.

>>84649191
>Muhrtha

>>84655338
>batman kills
>superman kills
>both edgy for no fucking reason
no they're NOT batman or superman

>>84655571
>batman kills
>joker not dead
????

>>84655338
DC's mistake was thinking that they could skip making people care about their characters because people had heard of them before.

>>84649191
batman killed people. it's dogshit. also the dude playing lex luthor accidently thought he was the joker instead. overall just a dogshit movie.

>>84649191
It exists.

>>84649191
>i want mindless quippy fun in my comic book movies
>i don't love my mother

>>84649191
>>Grimdark: The Grimdarkening
>>Ham-handed Superman=Jesus allegory. Again.
>>Batpunisher with a higher kill count than most heroes who kill
>>Bats beats superman because Supes goes easy on him and then acts like a complete fucking idiot by letting himself get hit with Kryptonite AGAIN
>>Lex's plan makes no fucking sense whatsoever
>>Hero conflict that could have been resolved in ten seconds if Supes had said one vital sentence, but he never does
>>Giant cave troll Doomsday

Gee, I dunno. What's not to like?